The Fate Of Frenemies With Dr. Drew - Frenemies #14

so here we are you know i think first of all we came off this is coming off of our biggest baddest uh dramatic yeah that was pretty bad uh how do you how would you call it i don't want to say i said meltdown or were you stormed off but that seems to that seems i think it was a meltdown was it a meltdown i think i kind of spiraled a little bit with all the videos i made about you guys after it was probably my most embarrassing thing on camera so it's really yeah of all the things yeah i think if you and ila didn't call me yesterday i may not have come back so i was so embarrassed but because she was okay with it i'm like alright let me try i love doing this show it just it really sucked it got to that but that was pretty bad it's i don't know so just to recap by the way with us today mm-hmm and this is pure chance people people think we're faking this yeah because with us today the last time we had a big fight we had dr drew on to mediate and he's back with his colleague dr young now first of all before we kind of dr young what is your background what what what is it that you do here with dr drew well ethan i'm a professor at university of southern california in the marshall school of business and drew and i wrote a book that came out 2010 on narcissism among celebrities oh no [Laughter] get this guy out of here so uh drew and i've been friends and uh kind of research partners for a long time and he told me about the show and i thought it'd be fun to come on and talk about the results of some surveys yes okay so we took the person we took personality tests me and trisha both took the personality test a month ago it was yeah they needed time to crunch the numbers well i'm just saying because we were like in a good space together we're like okay everything's good and fun so not that it would have changed the answers or outcome but no but like the timing is so because we were meant to already do this today we had a huge fight on the last episode i'll be honest with you i didn't think in my mind i was thinking well i'm gonna have to wait and see until next year yeah yeah you wanted a break and i kind of pushed i don't know that's right where i really wanted to do more episodes and then the doctor drew one specifically because we had this plan and i was like really wanting to do it again because i loved the last episode so yeah so you're like how about and then you were like i'm gonna just say by myself that we're taking a break i'm like well can i at least come on with you and i said that's fair yeah but the thing is we had dr drew and dr young all scheduled and we scheduled you guys can you guys confirm to me as phds and doctors let me get into this so so thank you for having us back by the way thank you for coming back i was obviously inundated with uh social media notifications of what had gone down with you guys [Laughter] holy [ __ ] we're gonna have to we're gonna have to postpone this thing we had scheduled and daniel will confirm i pushed him to postpone it if trisha wasn't gonna be here because our original idea was we're gonna measure this stuff and look at what's going on with you guys mostly because trisha you were so gracious and so forthcoming last time with all the information about with the stuff you've been struggling with i feel like we really made sense of you know i sort of were able to look at what was going on with you i thought it helped he doesn't understand who you are what you struggle with and obviously none of that work because you guys have a huge blob that people have to find out what that was all about but i but i feel like with each of these blow ups you guys get i wouldn't say closer together but it helps you guys manage your relationship better and the fact that you're back today me says it all trisha so thank you for coming back yeah so happy new year well it was interesting because after our first meeting my funky fight ready i'm gay after the first meeting we had i do feel like it deepened our connection and we went for a long stretch of time very amicably very just like good easy sailing be careful i i don't want to ruin the show well no it was good yes well it was a healthy dose it was a healthy back and forth banter right until it became a little one-sided in my opinion but that's jumping ahead of myself i thought it was a little one-sided the poking that i wasn't allowed to poke back but maybe i was wrong okay well well do what how do you want to do this because there's basically two ways we can do this do you want to get into the personality test or do you want to know about the meltdown i think i think everyone wants to hear about the meltdown because people are they're really people were hand hanging on tinder hooks and they're going to want to see it okay so well what happened was and maybe and i want to know how you got trisha back here too so what happened was i think we were having a nice normal episode everything was going great and then trisha mentioned something about my now this is very complicated trisha is dating my wife's brother okay we knew that last time and so and so she brought up something about my wife and i said okay hold on you can't you have to cut this because ila doesn't want you talking about that's a very big part that you're wrong on this and very very important that he brought up ela he said last ila watched the episode and said that there was powdered sugar on your lips last time i'm like yeah that was the first thing show them the tape rewind it that's okay okay well whatever he brought it up for ela first it's fine okay and so then i said oh we should have her on everyone thinks we hate each other we don't it'd be funny to have her on he goes nope don't talk about ela and i was like it wasn't said to me off camera to not talk about it that she was off limits they have a this is i'm on their channel like we've always so it just kind of caught me off guard and that's when the pushing started because then he you know he started being like nope can't talk about her she can't i'm like why not like you guys talk about me on your guys's podcast i'm on the channel like we've always talked about her like this is kind of out of nowhere that i obviously can't talk about your wife who's a public figure so that's what started the whole thing that spiraled it obviously spiraled out of control on my part but it didn't spiral from that point first just to know i could not break it i think first of all i'm willing to admit my mistake i should have definitely talked to you about this before we started recording i should have said hey can i stop you right there that does not feel like you mean it oh it doesn't i do mean it i think really clear that you mean it because it because this will come back around to virtue if she isn't convinced that you mean no i i genuinely regret not talking that was not fair for me to spring that on you the way i did okay but okay so so i so i was wrong on that and i did text you and say that right afterwards this is what we did last time you guys this is exactly what hold on you got to see you got to see what happened dr drew well this is just like uh we're on the titanic and you're like oh there's an iceberg we didn't even hit it yet you know we just spotted it so there's there's a lot of tension between moses my brother-in-law and ela my wife neither of them are here right now just which is good we did this by design and we can talk about everybody yes yes yours your wife's brother yes yes my boyfriend yeah yeah so here's where the problem comes in trisha comes on the show and she frequently repeats stuff that moses tells her so let me just finish my point then you can respond so for example trisha will say and you did say in that episode moses doesn't even like you guys anyway or she'll say she says she's joking when she says stuff like this but she goes well you're she says of ela's mom moses mom he he's not very close with her and she wouldn't be invited to our wedding or you guys wouldn't be invited to our wedding or you guys aren't close with moses she always says stuff like that that i feel like is driving a wedge between moses and his family okay so and by the way and then there's more there's more because i don't think more i don't want there is more this is important break it down for this part there's one more piece that i think is important when i ask moses when ela asks moses about it moses says i didn't say that yeah that's that's actually not important so so but somebody who okay relax relax relax richard do you know what do you know what splitting behaviors are splitting we talked a little bit about it last time it's it's where you it's it's it has many different sort of features one of it is presenting differently to different people or presenting different aspects of the truth to different people or splitting one person's point of view with another like if ethan says i like green you go well moses says you don't like rainbow and moses likes blue that's splitting people does that does that feel familiar to you okay and so and you have talked about your personality issues and one of those issues is is you'll have a tendency to split you just will yeah and ethan your job is to not respond to splitting yeah but she's but she's driving oh but i can't if she's know my wife i gotta get on your case for this one you are allowing the wedge to be put in the place she is doing what she does she is doing her splitting thing and your job is to go uh-huh i'm not the one being split my wife is being driven apart from her brother and his own family and mom no one told me this prior to last week i thought it was a jabs like he jabs me i guess it's splitting and yes i know i was jabbing him but it was no one told me ela didn't tell me she had a problem with it ethan didn't tell me someone had a problem with it moses no one told me that this was an actual severe problem that's so severe i was always talking to moses like you have to should not stop doing it how would i how would i oh you never told me i did it on the show multiple times and you cut out a joke about his mom one time and never even explained to you why you put it out you could have been like hey we're going to cut that but when you would do it i would say you have there was times when you would say it i say you have to stop doing camera which is why all this is entertainment just like i say stop it that's uncomfortable like on camera okay if you tell me off camera hey this is a real serious issue just stop you never once said that you've always had it on camera and i always thought we were justing back and forth you come from me i come for you and i was like oh it's part of the show the problem is that ila distrusts her brother because he's telling me things you're kind of splitting now you're sort of doing splitting behavior so i'm not splitting i'm not splitting should that be presented on on this show that issue i think it's out there okay so you're why but i think this is an important issue but they're not here right now listen listen what do you think reality is you can't tell where reality is when this stuff gets going so you shouldn't take offense when you don't know what's what you you you just can't take offense and stuff when people are just talking later when you if you're able to substantiate these things and find out that you know moses is not trustworthy or does feel the way that trish is telling you well then it's something to talk about but in the meantime it's just whatever don't don't react so you're saying so let's say um moses said so trisha comes on she says moses says she doesn't even like you guys and then ila says hey why do you keep saying this [ __ ] to trisha she never said that ila never told me that she never said why do you keep saying this [ __ ] i've never talked to moses to moses but not to me how am i supposed to moses does not tell me everything i did not know this okay okay yeah i we we all agree eli should have talked to you sooner and when she did you got i feel like you guys it was totally fine as soon as she talked to me i was totally i was like i am so sorry too i didn't know it was crossing a line because it was on the show and you're always like stop it stop it but like i always tell you to stop things and that's like our thing it's like you keep poking on stuff with me so well there's there's different different levels of poking but like but no one told me that they were truly uncomfortable with it that it was like upsetting their lives i thought it was a job because very little things bother you so that was the thing that bothered you so i kept going with it i was like obviously this bothers him the way you push on me that stuff that bothers me we're going to present to you guys very very soon the the data right about personality functioning and what's going on and i want you to understand when we do that these should not be used to pass judgment on somebody just the way we talked last time trish remember we talked about just what is right it's just these are features that you have and you've got electron and stuff and so of course you can have these features but you have to be able to sort of manage that ethan you have to kind of you kind of have to understand where it's coming from and what it is and you know sort of the problem i i just i i never i always i feel like whatever you throw at me i can always deal with the problem that happening that's causing the friction is between ela and her family as a result of things that trish is saying if it were up to me i would be here every week and i feel like the things that you say don't really get under my skin even in fact there's things like the last week when you got really upset you started attacking my parenting and stuff it didn't it did i would i'm i can deal with this i wasn't attacking and failing i said do you want my opinion on this i asked if you i did throw a jab i said something like i want to have a nanny then you said tell me then how i should do i said do you want my opinion you said when there's two working adults i said do you want my opinion and you said yes i did throw the first jab at it but you continued it and pushed it so tell me about my parenting i'm like you really want to know and you're like yeah i was like all right this is what i would do when i had a single mother that was working my grandma watched me not a nanny i had a babysitter that abused me when i was five that was funny we don't need to get into it but you just said it no because it's objective because it's objectively true and there's i feel like there's no point in debating not if i ask you do you really want this because you were pushing for me to give you responses we don't have the clip so they couldn't possibly know the context so there's no point but we have a clip it's very easy to show them it's online she was at the peak of her anger and she wasn't the peak of my anger the peak of my anger is at the end okay well she was she was rising up to it i realized what he was doing he was pushing for a reaction i'm like okay do you really want my opinion on this situation no i wasn't pushing for a reaction i was trying to make you own what you said no you kept asking me oh so now my mom's a bad grandma that sounds that sounds a little bit aggressive what does that mean because she says so we were so we came to like a point where she's like let's just move on and i said great let's move on and there's like a moment of silence and then she says i'll tell you one thing if i was lucky enough to have a kid i wouldn't have a nanny and that was a jab and i admit that but he pushed oh so what should we do if ela's working at give me your advice to the parents i said what do you mean by that and i said do you really want me to answer that and he said yes then he goes oh so now my mom's a bad mom for not watching theater so he kept pushing and i'm fine with it if you wanted a reaction but what like that's what you're pushing for to me responding and giving you a reaction i was trying to i was trying to figure out what you meant so i'm not allowed to respond me responding so do you still think that i so do you think that having a nanny's tell me what do you think about the truth about okay but you're asking me right now because you're not being honest okay what if i do you want me to reply i will be honest but i don't want you to be like you're attacking my parenting do you want my honor no because you said well case you say okay well your mom should be here then i i do think i would i would have my mom watch over annie i don't trust strangers with my my personal experience i don't think your nanny's the worst i'm just saying my personal experience this is not the this is not the exact conversation that happened i don't think it's productive to go over it now well you just asked me did you not just ask me to give you my opinion on this and that's what i'm saying do you really want me to tell you i will i have no problem we already talked about this okay but you just asked me to give you an opinion again about it i heard your opinion i heard it i don't i don't care to share it again i'm just saying like if he wants to because you're like like it's it's very obvious that she was in that moment digging as deep as possible i was not digging he was pushing me you know also trisha that one of your things is unregulated us aggression hostility once it gets going it goes right yeah yeah and then ethan somehow can't handle that when that happens i can handle it well no you escalated as opposed to just containing it and so you got to watch the clip you got to watch the clip to see what really happened yeah yeah but but i i want to go back to something that that i found curious why were you so embarrassed tricia that that sort of surprised me or what you did on social media when you're when you were in that state of unregulated aggression yeah i think cause like i don't think that's ever been out there like that i obviously like that very end of it after all of that when i realized like he's pushing me and pushing me for a reaction which i'm happy to give i'm happy to be that person because like i know it can be entertaining or whatever and i'm fine to be that way it just was more embarrassing that i let it go so far where i called like his wife really bad names i called her the c where the b where i just was cursing out a storm like i honestly don't even remember that part i remember the any part remember all that that part i don't remember all of a sudden my boyfriend comes with the pizza it seems like it's a big joke and people are like laughing and that's this is my perception it may not have been that way and then all of a sudden i was thinking like oh my god this is it so my final thing was to to just end it i thought you know every time i curse someone out or go too far with someone's wife or something like my ex-boyfriend i cursed out his wife and then he broke up with me that was the final straw i thought this would be the final ex-wife and so i thought like okay i'll just end it like i'm gonna just go this way and make sure we never talk again and that's it and that's fine and people get what they want you ethan are you an eel are you and everybody me and ethan like i really i when i went to the car hysterical and like hyperventilating because so you you've described to me before when you get in these days you sort of black out were you in one of these sort of blackout i think towards towards the end because i don't remember it was embarrassing to watch it i saw it on tik tok and like i don't remember saying all that and i but i did feel immediately embarrassed when i heard that because i was like wow i literally went everyone in the comments said that too like you went too far she's attacking your wife and i agree i'm in their house and their kid was upstairs and their child was upstairs and i was like yelling and cursing all the way up the stairs and it just was really embarrassing like that part wasn't i mean i was aware of it but i just it was like i just couldn't do anything i just kept cursing all the way up the stairs it was i don't know can i say something well this is quickly i want to commend both of you for being together being in the studio let's really start from there you know you're trying to get your relationship back together and it took a lot for you guys to be sitting here as you are today let's just acknowledge that okay and and so there's still a lot of everyone's still kind of a hair trigger you may need to clean up your side of the street with some of that stuff right you're aware that make amends whatever to really make things okay but part of it is being willing to sit here and take that embarrassment of humiliation or whatever it is yeah so here we are that's great ethan you just wanted to say something so i want to say that i don't know what it is exactly you feel when you get to that height heightened state of emotion but in my mind i'm never thinking like oh she's out of my life forever she's done i'm feeling like well we can like i said to you let's talk later it's never like oh you're out of my life forever you know what i mean like she said something like i'm going i'm quitting yadda yadda she called yeah she said all all these bad words and in my mind it wasn't like bye forever i said why don't you leave and we'll talk later in my mind that means bye forever because everyone says that and then it's by forever like with every situation that i've been in in life like david and jason and all that like it was by forever i did one mess up where i went and said like went on a rampage and then they said bye forever they just cut me out after being a year and a half together every day with both of them and it was just like bye forever and that's how it always is so that might be the right time to get into the study the test yeah because some of the things you scored high on is associated with a lot of difficulty with shame and abandonment and you'll you'll blow things up as opposed to having somebody leave you you know what i mean right and so so this all sort of was born out in some of the data we collected and i think we got to get into that and before we do i want to point out these guys are not our patients they're not human subjects they've asked us to do these testing to sort of you know just part of is just to sort of objectify some of the stuff you guys talked about and it's kind of interesting uh you guys also and the original conceit was we would get you two and measure your your inductor young will explain the scale we're using uh the scales we actually used a couple of scales and then somebody thought well why don't you test everybody on the air step which we did and there's stuff in there we could talk about but our focus is so uh regarding that because we tested everybody so we are going to be going over we thought it would just it should just be me and trisha today we're tomorrow on the podcast we're going to go over everybody else's results am i supposed to be abducted you don't have to be there no no no dan you you worked it out with with well before you hopped on dr drew and i'll cut this out we can just before you hop down i was talking to dr young and uh and he wasn't positive if he could but i kind of explained the situation and he also i might be able to go up but i have a colonoscopy tomorrow so we'll see what conditions by the way if you think this is like a colonoscopy i actually have dr drew if you i was just if you guys could just like send the data or the the send us the score sheet like right you know he offered to do that uh as well but then he said i might be able to come tomorrow and so um we can settle that i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't have dreamed of assuming uh your guys's time tomorrow and i'm very appreciative of you guys being here today both want to help you guys out we both might be able to do it but as i said i unlike i'd love to ask you about that tomorrow is it your first is it your first time oh no i have something called lynch syndrome so i have to have them every year oh so you're a veteran annual event i get them out of the way it never it gets easier kind of but not really it never really gets easier well let's see i'm 35 so i guess in 10 years i will experience my first uh right they say 40. you might do your just a quick aside here i make all my patients get these genetic tests uh you can get them at some i'm not involved with this organization but it's called color.com just like colorgraincolor.com and uh i see the menorah up there and i'm guessing ashkenazi is in your heritage and there's a lot of dna repair abnormalities in that heritage in iowa and if you have lynch syndrome you might uh need colonoscopies over here well dr drew i'll tell you one thing about myself i did a dna test and i'm 99.3 percent ashkenazic recommend you to go to color.com and do this good idea rocket jeans right well there are genes like that for other cancers and ashkenazis carry a lot of them so you might check it out that's a good idea thank you i'll do that appreciate anything for you no i think i'm good i mean i don't know i'm not good but just other different yeah different okay where were we um we're trying to we were gonna i was just i was just i'll reset up that like so we all took the personality test that'd all be on the i don't mind all that going on the podcast yeah we can put we can we can put it all up too i don't know fair enough yeah okay the whole cut yeah so where were we we're gonna we're gonna try to set you guys we present your dad let's present the data personality tests so what kind of personality test did we take maybe you guys can start by explaining that it's up to you you're yeah off guys we uh we gave you two personality tests one is called the npi or the narcissistic personality inventory and that was 40 questions 40 pairs of questions where you had to choose a or b whether you agreed with point a or point b more and then i was able to sum up your scores on that test and come up with an overall score but the npi the 40 questions are also broken down into seven subcategories and i'll go over those with you in just a minute because it's very diagnostic the second test that we gave you is called the dark triad and this is a test that's been around for almost 20 years and what that test does it also assesses narcissism but it includes a measure of machiavellianism oh [ __ ] and psychopathy well how wait machiavelli's him that seems like what would be a more that's is that like sadism i mean what is that that's like uh like sociopathy what is that oh no no so um the term machiavellianism comes from a 16th century italian politician and diplomat called nikolai machiavelli and so he wrote a very famous book in in the 16th century called the prince and essentially what he did was he advised this prince um on how to to use guile and cunning to get what he wanted so he's the term machiavellianism is always associated with that book i i always feel i have to defend machiavelli because he also wrote the republic and he felt that the republic was the best form of government but he wrote the prince in which he i advocated for ruthlessness if you have a prince while you while you figure out how to set up a republic so in like so in a political sense someone who's machiavellian is someone who is kind of manipulative or cunning or how would you say yeah that's exactly right cunning engages in self-interest often lacks uh emotion can be duplicitous uh you know these aren't good good traits can you be narcissistic but also like an empath like actually care about people can you be into yourself and also care about other people or no can i answer that because it's an interesting it's something that uh some of the old self psychology theorists they called it reverse narcissism which is that you are so concerned with other people you're overly concerned with other people because they trigger feelings in you it's still trying you it's you know some people experience themselves first and then other people second some people experience other people as a way of experiencing themselves and some people go back and forth but if you're so focused on the other that your boundaries aren't able to be maintained where somebody's having a feeling you're sort of overtaken by it your conscious sense of it can be oh i'm so attuned to that person i you know i have a special understanding of them really you don't have a special understanding it's just your pain that's sort of blending with their pain and it's hard to tell the difference we also call that codependency right so so i have that i have that in spades i do and i had to get a lot of therapy to sort of sort out what was other personally experiencing versus mind it's very challenging stuff it's sort of you know and i suspect trisha you you get you get too revoked by other people yeah i have a book i read called codependent no more because that was literally me to a t last year i just couldn't i couldn't survive without what called codependent no more but you said you had that to what oh last year yeah to every relationship like i cannot function like if like i don't if i'm not if i don't have someone in my life to like manage me and like to also just have someone i just i can't i can't function i can't function without a boyfriend and so you have lots of layers that you just mentioned another one is you you use people you use your intimate partner to help you stay together too to be glued together right yeah and that's again so that's all it's all you know please don't think of these terms you know when you use a term like machiavelli people automatically go sort of south on the judgmentalism these are just i try not to be judgmental in how you think about these things right we all have narcissism to varying degrees not me no i'm kidding we'll find out [Laughter] i'm scared i'm scared too i was scared answering these it was like do you like to look at yourself in the mirror you know what yeah the thing is like um the questions felt a little tricky right yeah cause like i feel like you phrased them differently in like three different ways to try to trick me into like catching myself so but but um i should say this that drew and i didn't invent the npi this was invented probably close to 50 years ago oh i thought you guys came up with these questions i was like wow they're smart oh no no it's it's been tested with tens of thousands of people oh okay um and so the questions aren't really designed to trick you but they're designed to kind of make you think and to force you into making a choice between right these two pairs right so going back to trisha's question narcissism really is not something that is what we call a monolithic construct in other words it's not just one thing there are actually in this scale seven different aspects of narcissism let me just read those off to you uh authority superiority self-sufficiency exploitativeness vanity exhibitionism and entitlement so you can break the 40 questions down into scores on each of those seven categories interesting is is it usual for narcissists to like hit all of those categories or is that what makes a narcissist or do we all have different levels of those each category you all have different level and you know drew and i often talk about the so-called good aspects of narcissism which consists of authority superiority and self-sufficiency and perhaps the not so good aspects which consist of exploitativeness vanity exhibitionism and entitlement even when you think about those so-called less i don't know adaptive sorts of uh uh scales i mean vanity and uh uh sort of what was the last category not exploitativeness before after that uh exhibitionism exhibitionism and vanity exhibitionism i mean it didn't hurt anybody you know what i mean it's like those to me those are sort of neutral what do you mean by exhibitionism like naked like you like looking at yourself are you like like what does that mean because i mean i know it means generally to be seen and to look at people right so what does it mean clinically the same thing yes oh okay i understand it and then another question i have about the test if you'll indulge me is that on on one of the tests there was like a sliding scale of like agree strongly disagree and there was like what i forget how many bubbles but like what is it you're looking for because i felt like on a lot of them i didn't have a strong opinion one way or the other you know so that was uh those that scale was associated with the dark triad survey so that was different from the narcissistic personality inventory oh it's not it has nothing that one had nothing to do with the narcissism well in the dark triad there are these three components and narcissism is also part of the dark triad but why is it called the dark triad that's so spooky well it's called the dark triad in part has these three things psychopathy machiavellianism and narcissism are meant to be things that um characterize people as as social or sometimes that you know are cunning callous self-interested and things like that so uh people have put these things together into this scale to try to describe certain aspects of human behavior now let me just sort of explain it to you this way the way i think about it is if if you are a fighter pilot uh trying to make a landing on a uh aircraft carrier you want that person to be as narcissistic as possible right you want him or her to feel invincible grandiose no anxiety i mean you want all that stuff in that person for your intimate partner the problem person like that may also have difficulty with empathy and envy and also in certain states much like we were talking about with trisha when she blacks out your feelings don't matter in certain states and she can't appreciate their skin remember that you have feelings and that's part of the unregulated stuff that happens when when you get upset right yeah doctor can we recall the dark triad i feel like it's a little bit judgmental it is it has been that way maybe maybe we could just call it the uh these people are [ __ ] up triad or something like that i think the reason the dark triad comes because because it includes a scale of psychopathy and psychopathy writ large can be pretty dark okay but mild psychopathy is is a you know just a nuisance all right let's do this so let's start with the uh they're a winner on these tests or no like is there right and wrong tell me who's the narcissist like is there is there like someone that's coming out better than the other person with these tests or it's just like a not a comparison wait what are you uh are you asking is one of us more narcissistic than the other yeah yeah well actually it's a very good question thank you well i wasn't sure quite what you're doing i love being at that i thought you would be like i score no to make negative one stop i didn't know just to put your scores in context the national average out of 40 is about a 15. so um let me just kind of tell you what each of your scores are and then we break them down into categories and we want to score high closest to 40 or we want to score low i think high is bad depends on your perspective i guess high is bad i think high is more narcissistic right okay i got it yeah okay yes yes so the closer to 40 the more narcissistic so let's start with some easter eggs i want to take a guess ethan as to what you support is this part of the test no no they're just uh out of 40 let me ask you this what who's the what's the highest you've ever seen have you ever seen a perfect 40 no but we have seen the 34. oh so 34 is like wow this guy and what do you do with the 34 you just put him away that's a famous score guys yeah it's a famous person who actually got that score whoo he's afraid to say it because it's been an issue up until this day should i say it wait is it robin quivers yes wait i knew it i can't believe robin quivers that's iconic she's the howard stern i know robin but i just i remember seeing you guys do that test and you saying that she has the highest score ever and i didn't know if that was stick or not that's iconic really don't happen the big mistake we made and i've apologized for alvin a million times she's not accepted my apology well she's a narcissist which is that in which howard loves ribbing her about to this day um is that we because it happened on the air publicly we assumed there would be no issues when we wrote our book we wrote a book about we went and studied groups of celebrities and so we just wrote just in the book here was our highest score here was our lowest score she took great issue to that saying we should have permission oh really that's what really caused the problem and i and i she's right it didn't occur to us because it happened publicly but you're right she we should have we should i i felt really bad about that and so ah i'm still trying to make amends different i would be honored if i was in your book you could write about me anytime so trish is i think trish is looking to get the highest score if she knew if she knew she would have answered all the questions differently okay generate another one okay okay okay on the narcissistic cisco you say the average is what average is 15 the high the highest possible score is 40. so what do you got maybe a 15. i say eight maybe average eight for ethan okay well ethan actually got a seven oh oh that's nice i think he's he's very self-deprecating and has a low self-esteem and so i overall life i knew you wouldn't be low self-esteem i think you have issues without you too we have similar self-esteem so okay let me ask you this that's trisha insults me does a low narcissism score doesn't mean that you don't have confidence as a human being does it i don't know but now remember now in the moment we're going to get to the specific categories in which those seven numbers fall okay good good go back so that means that so so i got a very good score i think i'm a good human being now it's not about this no no yes it is yes it is to be a narcissist and be a good human being no yes not most of the time i'm just kidding i'm just [ __ ] with you i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm gonna be really [Laughter] there's a scale somewhere i'm [ __ ] up on but let me but let me say this what does it mean i feel like i'm kind of surprised and i'm kind of happy that that i'm my my narcissism scale is low and by the way let me also say that if your narcissism score is too low yeah associated with sort of not initiating and not being creative and not not coming your own defense and things you need to be your [ __ ] you're calling me a [ __ ] i'm wondering it makes me wonder you you react so quickly and strongly and it's just my observation to some of the stuff trisha says i wonder if this figure's into that in some way she called me a [ __ ] when she stormed out your cockpit she said she said your wife is a c word and she said and you're a cuck so maybe that maybe i have a maybe i am a cuck is someone who likes to watch his wife have sex with other men there you go thank you thank you which by the way i am not i do not that's not something i'm interested in despite he likes to flex his power over me sometimes because he might feel powerful powerless in other aspects who's a seven on the narcissism scale so you want to flex the power over me because you don't have power a seven on the narcissistic system scale wouldn't do that you see a weak and you see someone that's hated on the internet and you go you assert your power over me but that's whatever seven what's yours 10 billion next listen to this actually here we go so uh trish let's do the same with you okay national average 15 highest possible is 40 where do you think you stand i always like to say i'm right in the middle at like 20 because i don't think i should lead the world but i do like to look at myself naked so i would say i'm a nice 20. let me guess before you say so robin quivers comes in at 35 you said 34. see it's so it's interesting that the top uppermost scale doesn't isn't really reached 40 yeah 40 that's like on you'd have to be like so so you think you're 20 average is 15 i think you're higher than 20. i think you're probably at 25. wow well no don't say well i mean it's not no wow in 80s don't sugarcoat it dr drew all right so the big reveal is that tricia scored the 30 out of 40. holy [ __ ] oh i missed it by five points whoa you're waiting i mean if i'm gonna be up there i might as well be over robin like i don't want to be can she take it again i know could she take it again she wants that 35. [ __ ] so wait how so what so what percentage of people score that high 35 well 30 actually a 34 is what they call three standard deviations above the average which means that you're you're higher than 99 percent of the population wow i'm in the top 1 well that's a 33 30 is probably around 97 98 no i thought it would have been like 80 or something so but she's 35 though you said no i'm 30. i wanted to be there all right i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry 30. so so wow yeah let's break them down so you can see what's going on so let's go back to easton for a moment so ethan the cup go ahead i was feeling pretty happy and then drew made me feel bad when he said that i'm like [ __ ] basically calling me a beta well look you know remember this the seven categories here you you have points in three of those categories authority you get a three out of eight self-sufficiency of two out of six an entitlement a two out of six so remember the authority and self-sufficiency factors are considered the healthier types of narcissism right so you have five of your seven points are in those healthier categories thank you dr yan dr young is my man dr drew sucks i'm just kidding thank you guys i'm just trying to be entertaining here but i do appreciate that and i am not a [ __ ] interestingly though you have two other six and entitlement oh and nothing else in any other categories so so when you say oh so when you say two out of six there were six questions regarding entitlement i scored on two of them so can you wonder no wonder he likes seeing his wife have sex with somebody else [Laughter] wait can you do those again because i didn't quite understand say read it again from the top okay so you've got three out of eight on authority okay two out of six on self-sufficiency okay six on the entitlement okay i have to say that these are low scores across the board really it's just interesting to us that the categories that you fell into authority and self-sufficiency in particular are you know again what we consider the the more positive aspects of narcissism i think what we can really draw from this is that as far as narcissism scores go this is probably one of the best and healthiest scores you guys have ever seen i wouldn't go that far not prepared to say that they said too low is bad too yeah but they said i had okay whatever thank you guys i love doctor baby if you if you fire me from the podcast maybe me and dr drew can have another podcast he has like eight of them so i feel like i could join one with him if you let me go is that true dr germany podcast you have let's do a plug dude plug your podcast speaking of machiavellianism she's uncovered my evil plan dr drew understands me see i just want someone to understand me and this is why it's like so nice you know how boring that show will be it's just you at therapy no we we did a podcast together it was very entertaining me adam doctor how boring would it be dr drew go ahead it would be because i actually do very well with with peop with people with atricious profiles i i've actually sort of treated like oh so you are pitch you say you are as receptive yes because it would just be me sort of holding it holding things together and that neck that's what i need then i can because i felt vulnerable dr drew as a co uh you said you have an issue with uh codependency so that's where that comes in right so like i was unable i would be unable to put the show ahead of trisha's needs right i'd be like i don't eat that though no you don't want to put the shot do me a favor do me a favor and go make a show with dr drew i just appreciate someone putting my needs before a show can i i want to before i i do want to continue on yes but by the by the end of this i do want to complain to you dr drew and maybe you can set her straight about this issue that keeps coming up about money she's always complaining about money hey that's what i'm not complaining about because i don't want to hear about it anymore i'm not complaining about it we'll talk about it i make a point okay so so let's continue sorry for the side note trisha let's break down your 30 points remember the national average is 15. just to remind you thank you you've got a six out of eight on authority five out of six on self-sufficiency what was it self-sufficiency was what not what number five out of six five out of six i'll take it that's good yeah i'm very self-sufficient yeah that one's good yes and then uh three out of six on entitlement yeah um six out of seven on exhibitionism that makes sense yeah for sure she she's a she works in porn so i'm top one top one percent on only fans yeah yeah okay then three out of three on vanity whoa wait stop the stop a perfect score on vanity which makes sense because trisha to this day still thinks that me a happily married man wants to [ __ ] her she's obsessed with that yeah that is a condition i have where i think literally just remember next time you think that i want to [ __ ] you you have a three or three on i think i have sexual attention with everyone it is a problem i i'm i'm pretty sure not everybody wants to have sex with me but i love things love to see the questions can you read the vanity questions that you marked yesterday is that possible um you'd have to give me a moment i'd have to go back through it because i would love to read what you said yes to because they were really extreme i do think very highly of myself for some reason i mean i hate my weight but i i think i'm very beautiful on a scale of one to ten be like 10 being most beautiful women in the world what would you give yourself it's so hard to say because i consider myself a complete package so to look at me i don't think i'm a 10 but the complete package is most definitely a 10. yeah three out of three for sure dude you're talking to a zero out of three across from you did i really have a zero three on vanity yes oh my god oh my gosh see that's what i said i could take at least one out of three you know what i mean i told you you had like low self-esteem i know you do i know you have this like complex because you were skinny at one point and you have a complex well related to it i'm not trying to feel you you know what i mean i do feel yeah but why because of your weight i sometimes do i feel like i might have confidence but maybe just not physical confidence like i don't think that i'm like like as a person i have confidence but i also think i'm a disgusting fat [ __ ] i know confidence to see your wife or somebody else no big deal [Laughter] yes please let's hear the vanity questions here are the vanity questions remember these are two questions you have to choose a or b and so one question says i don't particularly like to show off my body and the second choice is i like to show off my body so i said i don't like showing off my body and you said i do of course yeah that makes sense i always want to show you like my squirting and stuff i'm like here look but like okay but that makes sense i i that totally is that one's okay so what's next and the next one is my body is nothing special or i like to look at my body so for me obviously my body is nothing special and you like to look at it i love my body i had lipo i had a butt transfer you like looking at your body i love i do think my body is very attractive really because i hate okay because i don't like looking because i'm just i'm out of shape it's bad i have a lot of good jiggle like i have a slow motion on my ass jiggling i have a lot of nice nice that you're confident about a confident a lot of people like to look at my body i make a million dollars a month and have people look at my body that's true so you have no reason not to well the last question is um i like to look at myself in the mirror or i'm not particularly interested in looking at myself in the mirror you said no you're not interested no i'm not particularly interested really so but like see shocking i can't stop staring at myself in these monitors i look at myself the entire episode do you really even notice it but like see i feel like my answers it's like i'm not particularly interested look at myself in the mirror that seems to me like a like a pretty s like healthy attitude no i guess well i don't think about these questions as yeah yeah yeah yeah come on you're calling me a call episode now you're playing it all diplomatic these are these are forced answers that have predictive value you have to think about it then okay okay interesting let's continue i mean i i i'm absolutely fascinated by all this me too i i i never even thought of vanity as being narcissist i guess that is never mind i don't know what i'm talking about i would imagine it would be well yeah okay interesting i knew that three out of three i'll take it that's five of the the uh we were going through precious categories yeah the last one is exploitativeness and trisha you got a two out of five on that that's good what's exploitativeness that's like taking advantage of of taking advantage oh yeah i'm what would that be too yeah tell me the two that she answered jesus positiveness yeah i love you that's the interesting take advantage of you like to be on this podcast you manipulate a little bit and that also you should show up on the machiavelli scale a little bit to them for sure i've been called a manipulative person multiple times right and i'm not sure you are aware of it when you're doing it yeah i bet you feel bad about it when it's called into consciousness but but it's some defensive strategy you have yeah i don't ever know when i'm doing it i will still do this to say like i'm not manipulative but people keep saying it so i'm like maybe i am but i honestly don't intentionally try to be i try and be as authentic as i can so people don't think that about me but well authenticity is is not not manipulative i mean right people think i manipulate the audience by talking about borderline in general because this is a recent diagnosis as of last year and going into therapy and everyone's like wow she's manipulating the audience by saying she has borderline personality disorder i'm like well i don't know you guys call me crazy and then i say i have a disorder and then they're like oh she's manipulating and i don't know what that is like i don't know what where the confusion lies i i don't think that's manipulative but but i think what they're doing people i see this all the time with drug addicts too which is people don't like them to have i don't know how to say this to have an out you know what i mean when you say you've got a brain disorder then people have to be sympathetic to you right when they're angry with you for some behavior they don't like being sympathetic you know what i'm saying yeah yeah that's it because they call me crazy for so many years never got diagnosed until i was 31 and then they're just like well now she's being manipulative we should all just walk around eggshells around trash i'm like well well it's hard when people don't know you in real life and they just see you online and it's like this and this and this and this you know what i mean well that's where i'm trying to be authentic so people can kind of see more of me but it's hard so so guys i found the two questions um for trisha on exploitativeness option one is i can read people like a book or people are sometimes hard to understand oh i feel like i can read people very well like a book that's the thing some of those questions like because like for me i'm like i feel like sometimes i can get a read on people but but like to make a statement like i can read you like a book it's like no i can't read people like a book no but i think i can read people yeah that is part of borderline right because with borderline they like have antennas up to people's emotional states uh both in because they've been traumatized and they're they're always ready to sort of react that but some of the borderline process did we talk about this last time did we talk about projectile identification last time no i don't think so okay so what happens and this is what you guys were getting into in your last meltdown which is that when borderlines experience feelings that are awful they kind of disavow them and put them in the other person and make you feel awful they literally able to it sort of inject feelings into you it's a very it's a very it's b think about what babies do when they want to get fed they make all kinds of noise that makes you feel a certain way that makes you come to go take care of them borderline people with borderline disorders use that same mechanism and it's it's it can be crazy making in the person nearby because you don't know why you're feeling all the things you're feeling and borderlines are hyper acutely aware of what's going on in you like a book like a book and then what was the other one all right so the the second question is i will never be satisfied until i get all that i deserve or i will take my satisfactions as they come wait what was the first the first one i will never be satisfied be satisfied until i get that's so intense i don't remember checking that but i guess the excess between the two i guess yeah i should get it all i deserve my thought process when i when i read that was like well i don't think people necessarily desi i don't think that i necessarily just it's the way it's written is it's so sharp it's like yeah it'd be nice to be satisfied with certain things but i don't necessarily think that i deserve like everything i want you know what i mean i deserve everything i want i do but i feel like everybody should think that i think everyone should like think they deserve everything in this life to me that seems like a really that seems like a really dark way to go about the world of like i deserve how can everybody possibly deserve everything they are all humans we're all created from god like we all deserve like his blessings on earth like i believe that and everyone should feel that way okay antichrist i'd love to know what god how god scores on a narcissism scale he would probably be a perfect scorer maybe maybe that's an issue to look at all right well this was great so we have another test to go over which i'm assuming trisha failed spectacularly as well yeah more to say about this test oh sorry yeah just before we leave that i mean the discussion that you you guys just had about those questions is an indication of how differently people feel about their life and their perceptions right you guys see things the same question differently which is what these types of surveys it's really interesting yeah because to be totally fair when i was reading some of these questions i could tell that it was like oh i was like who would mark yes on this i mean not to disre yeah but i was like i can't even imagine making such a strong statement as like i deserve everything in the world i think it's more manifesting i don't want to say i don't deserve everything so i'm like i'd rather say i deserve everything doesn't say you don't deserve it it said you will not be happy until you get everything you deserve yeah better than the alternative option is how i looked at it the alternative option isn't that you don't get things that you want it was just so extreme that i was like no of course i can't i can't mark yes to that i thought differently but i mean that's fascinating right doctors literally you literally see it differently you literally think about it from a different perspective yeah that's what happening here all right so let's turn to the dark triad and the yeah why don't we just call it the yeah that should be our podcast the dark triad oh we need a third person if we're gonna be a triad dr drew yeah exactly well guys i can tell you that the dark triad has really kind of entered popular culture too because you know every now and then i watched this tv show swat and last night i think somewhere they were rerunning an episode where they were chasing this criminal and amazingly they said this criminal has these three characteristics machiavellianism narcissism and psychopathy and they actually use the words so this is something that we're going to see a lot more of interesting things let's get to it so with the dark triad a high score in machiavellianism is a 3.86 out of 5. well i'm sorry what is this pie 3.86 3.8 why the decimal just because of the thousands of people that they've tested oh i see i misunderstood so the average is a 3.8 sorry say that again 3.86 because out of five is the average okay people seem pretty evil earlier if you asked about the number of bubbles you know like they're strongly just right i got it oh that's a five-point scale sorry okay got it narcissism a high score is 3.68 and above got it and then psychopathy is a 3.4 and above and psychopathy is sociopathy i'm assuming you know people it defines again this is a debatable point and people get very theoretical about this i make a distinction between sociopathy and psychopathy sociopaths are people that are manipulative and really don't care or don't really appreciate that you have feelings you're just there to serve their needs right psychopath doesn't have feelings so i i think they're really kind of assessing in this scale sort of people's ability to appreciate emotions i think that's what they're talking about are there any good psychopaths um it's a good question there's such a thing as pro-social psychopaths right and um there are i have friends that work in this field uh and you know i've i this is i don't wanna get destroyed for this one this is not my opinion this is an opinion of a couple friends of mine who work in the field of psychopathy they feel that bill clinton was a pro-social psychopath he was he was interested in doing things that were good and good legislation and helping people but he had no trouble exploiting this young intern and didn't think anything of it that's a social psychopath i could see it but is it is [ __ ] an intern really like because i feel like a lot of powerful men do that they're just like yeah [ __ ] the intern obviously did you see the uh the clinton affair the documentary no i haven't i should watch it yeah but it's much more profound really so where can i watch that just to not not to promote i just generally curious i think it's on netflix oh my how did i not how did that i never did that not show up on my netflix page i'm watching that tonight i can't i can't i'll look it up here right now but but it it was i'll find it it's called the clinton affair okay ah at what he did today really question just real quick over years it really was something else when i was younger i like envied monica lewinsky like i thought oh she's getting all this fame for [ __ ] the present like i wanted to be her so bad i thought she was like lucky like what is that because even like you know like i wanted to like be with like michael jackson i want to be with jerry lee lewis like all these people who like dated like minors and stuff and then the intern i was like she's so famous she had to [ __ ] the president like i want to be at this level where snl is parodying me like what is that because i still like obviously i know it's wrong and gross now but like i still was like like i romanticized i thought that was so cool i was like i wish that was me like i still wish it could be me with the president you know interesting a couple things i mean that's sort of machiavellianism right anything to get to get the job done is sort of machiavellianism and then that one question you answered where you know i'll do anything to get all my needs mad or whatever that was that's kind of that isn't it you want the fame and you saw that they achieved it easily oh i was like that's all you want to be the president's dick i wanted yeah that was a and she was like sexual the president wanted her and i was like oh i want that like the president wants to [ __ ] you that's so cool like i thought that was like an honor huh i still would love to have sex with bill clinton i know it's funny i i i had the same thoughts what about mama i'm just kidding i think it's on netflix i think i'm gonna watch the [ __ ] out of that man actually it's a great documentary it was wait well i'm like the scales fell from my eye it was that's i i'm super interested yeah i wonder what it means about hillary too because she stay with him she knows what the kind of guy he is i mean i mean it's very uh it is very uh you know house of cards right you should be aware of this um tricia people with borderline disorders tend to be very attractive to sociopaths oh i know that path to them so it's just whenever why is that well i nobody really knows that i know of but but it whenever we would get a sociopath and a borderline on a drug unit together we'd have to go to great lengths to keep them apart and prevent them from having sex huh i wonder if it's because the sociopath knows how to manipulate them and has no qualms doing it maybe maybe and the borderline sort of believes it you know what i mean and wants to go with it and they're very entertaining and makes them feel good i've never broken up with a boyfriend they've always dumped me i've never broken up with someone true story yeah i just don't want to lose anybody i'm just like you know what just stay even if they cheat give me sds i'm like whatever stds yeah i mean with people on that yeah what's one thing about him is like that's not what happened i it's not even what we're talking about i just noticed do i say oh you have baby hands put it next to your face your huge head with your baby hands no i don't say that because that's rude it's just makeup i don't have baby hands put it next to your face it's on amazon prime all right amazon prime let's move on okay some people have accused trisha of being a blackfish you know what that is that's not it's someone who tries to look black who's white i am 18 moroccan we have two doctors here what do you make about black fishing i've never heard of it no comment yeah okay let's continue stupid poor doctor poor doctor young is way over his head and i at least knew what i was getting into yeah it willingly came back all right so looking at the dark triad uh let's just go through ethan's scores on machiavellianism you got a 2.3 and remember a high score is 3.86 so you're below that level quite significantly so a 3.8 is i thought you said that was the average or that's the highest that's considered high and what's average uh they don't really report the average um but anything above 3.86 is considered a high number and you're a 2.33 below average yet again so okay nice i mean that's good i i feel happy about that on narcissism you're 2.44 and remember the high score was 3.68 so you're you're below on narcissism i feel great about that too and then now is that consistent with my previous narcissism score because it seems higher no it's consistent i think it's consistent it's the scales are a little bit different a little bit higher in narcissism on this scale than you are on the other one but not significantly so i see and then on psychopathy yeah 1.77 so what does that mean about me as a person doctors if you would analyze me based on that you have to remember this again do what you want to call me a cuck again dr drew it's not what i brought you here bring it up again just tell me i'm a great person perfect okay i'm just kidding i think look we all know trish is the [ __ ] show here so well first of all thank you i take i like being the titles in the headlines like i like the attention for sure why do you complain about it maybe this test is saying like maybe why do you complain a little more why do you complain to me i love doing the show i'm the one that no i'm not quitting you text me you go stop putting me in the headline stop putting me in the highlights after because because he wanted to continue the show without me today to get the revenue on this without me i said let me be honest it's not at all about revenue it's about it is you saying trish i wasn't to do it without you yes you said you were anyways you said you were going to do the show without me by no we talked no i wasn't going to do the show without you i was just going to explain what happened by using me in the title he says ethan talks to trish i said don't use my name in the title if you don't need it because that's like i'm not getting the monetary value off our drama okay whatever okay well anyways that's what you're the narcissist you're the dark triad over here i'm i'm just kidding the doctor's like don't do that i'm just kidding thank you like honestly we can only do the show with them i feel safe with them here they actually know what they're talking about you just honestly like i'm the one look you feel safe with them i don't know what's their score on the dark triad well i'm too i'm too scared of you for being too low on the dark triad like why aren't you a little so okay like a little life in you a little life i mean does it mean that i'm lifeless that i'm low on the dark triad no but i worry about you coming to your own defense and being able to really i i would wonder about good boundaries which is again why i think trisha gets gets you going gets gets dan i mean dan you know me you know me fairly well at this point what do you think about the about the narcissism and the dark triad low scores uh i i think that it tracks i would say the only one that surprises me a little bit is um is that what was it was was it the machiavellian that that he was like a one point something on that was a psychopathy oh psychopathy okay because you can be pretty cunning when it comes to you you're a wonder you're shrewd businessman and you you make smart moves and he's not really when i address the highlights he goes i have no control over the highlights i'm like it's your channel and your employees you have all the control over the highlights what are you talking about but i guess machiavellian really means well done those are two different things right it means it's more manipulative and and because to me when i when i do something it's not like i'm not i feel like i'm not being deceptive like making making good decisions about business or relationships i feel that honesty is a is is a is a large part of of how i maneuver myself in business and in relationships you know but but like when when you say psychopathy that again just to clarify that's marked by a lack of emotion is that what that means or what if you're way up on that scale it's a lack of emotion okay okay so you have emotions you're like a human which is good i'm human i'm very human i'm extremely human you know but ethan i think overall if you have a low score in the dark triad basically we're saying that you know you tend to not be a manipulative person you're not particularly callous you're not particularly selfish right um you know those are the kind of things that a low score would indicate right i think it's good to have a low score on this one so let's let's talk about i agree i feel i feel happy about that yeah thank you thank you guys all right well that's both be narcissistic that's nice to know so trisha on machiavellianism you got a 2.67 and remember the high is three point oh it sounds good yeah 86. so again you're relatively low in machiavellianism nice narcissism you got 3.55 oh remember that a higher score is 3.86 so yeah that's consistent with your npi narcissism score a little bit high but nothing out of control high average probably because i'm below the high no you're almost high right but i'm not high at that level and then you're a 3.0 and ah you know kind of a high number is 3.4 she's fine yeah so like if i could say she's not a saint like me but she's like a plebian i'm not a psychopath i'm not [ __ ] my intern no no not a psychopath but but even that score kind of surprised me because because i think you're hyper emotional right yeah yeah i i didn't understand that score it didn't didn't fit for me for you right i yeah i feel like i am that oh because that means you have no emotion psychopaths have no emotion right so the high that is weird you're sort of hyper-emotional i wonder if that's a i don't know can we hear some of the questions she tracked on or that she she rated low on let's let's let's re-eva let's revisit yeah honest let's rev let's leave it be honest but i don't know if i should say this so of course now say it you got tired of the test no i i took i don't know if i can mix the two i had a xanax and then i took a percocet is that effect out cause well if you're taking a test about the the intensity of your emotions and you're and you're all [ __ ] up on xanax yeah anxiety about the test and i couldn't download it but then i had back pain so i took the percocet oh my god i did not drink alcohol on it what does that mean two very important things so that's good because that explains perhaps why the psychopathy test didn't make sense to me and and the drugs absolutely will adulterate the test absolutely yeah because you're feeling way more circulated it was on the second test because it was too many like strong disagree and i was getting them all confused i was like this is too many boxes yep i think that i think that explains why that one was uh like but but number two do not ever take opiates and benzodiazepines together that's how people die those are terrible together terrible terrible terrible do you can take your percocet or you can take your xanax but do not pick both together for all those celebrity deaths you've seen always that combination really i thought it was alcohol and like painkillers or xanax no they condensed but nothing like opiate and benzo look at oh wow okay how far apart can you take them four hours be it i think it was like an hour apart for real not good that's not good doctors prescribe that [ __ ] all the time like that and it drives me crazy so i have a prescription for both give it over that prescription for what's your pain i was in a car accident how long ago a while ago but i have chronic back pain from it that seems like a bad doctor to prescribe percocet for so long right dr drew it's not a great idea well that's why i get the surgeries plastic surgeries they'll prescribe you percocets that's why you guys that's not why i get them but i i get them from the surgeries holy [ __ ] like people do is they get michael jackson i'm convinced was getting plastic surgeries to get the opiates really i've seen that many times it just sort of it's just sort of an added bonus to the surgeries oh my goodness but you would think michael jackson of all people could get anything he wanted he wouldn't obviously he did it's hard to get him illegally michael jackson was eventually succumbed to some like extra i forget what he what it was that killed him but some extraordinarily strong befall [ __ ] i never heard of it administered outside of a hospital when i heard focal fall killed him it was a shocking yeah well like i said it was just for this last part of the test because the first part i did a different day and this was the laws well as somebody who has a perfect score in the dark triad i'm worried and i want you to please not mix it it was one time it was one time well i've done it be honest it's not one time okay but one time that it counted where it matters where i'm bringing it up let me bring up something that maybe you guys can address i know that you romanticize people who die young and their legacy i do love that and i always this is not good so i don't want to die oh my god please don't 515 i don't want to die no i know i know you're not suicidal but you wrote no i know what happened to me three times no but i know you romanticized me and you're also obsessed with your legacy yeah i do think dying young you become more famous and more notorious people will miss me more when i'm dead like she was an icon even though now don't you think this is a problem she's taking percocet she's taking santa she's obsessed one okay i don't i don't think you i don't think you're a drug addict but i'm just saying i smell trouble exactly it's the exact same thing as being jealous of monica lewinsky it's the exact same thing yeah because i'm jealous of somebody that gets extraordinary fame by sometimes horrible means and you know and so um what's the name from the doors you know he's he's forever an icon because he died at 28. right jim norrison yeah that's all that's a it's a jealousy and and be careful you know jealousy and envy for narcissists people narcissistic features can really be a problem so you have to envy is a very problematic feeling be careful it was more like when nicole was alive everyone was like making fun of her and laughing at her and then when she died it's like oh she had such a sad life and then there was like empathy for her and i was like well that's me like and meryl monroe she had schizophrenia right before she died but everyone tried to like make fun of her and [ __ ] and then when she died like well she was like a paranoid so you think that you you the only way you'll ever be understood is by dying early that's the only way i'll get anyone on my side like everyone's through a lot of people are no now even people even people who advocate so much for mental health is like oh like that's too far oh she needs to get out of control when that's the whole point is i can't get it under control like it's so hard no but people do support you you're wrong that's so not sure why do you think i made all those videos all the comments on the last one which you knew were all against me they were all just like wow like how did ethan a letter do that and like all that that i mean i don't know how to convince you but you have a lot of supporters especially since we've been doing this i don't want to die do me i do i'm not trying to kill myself no you don't want to i love myself i'm a narcissist i know you don't want to die i'm just saying the fact that you romanticized i wouldn't mind i'll just say that way like if it happens i don't mind when my time is coming i'm a catholic i don't believe in suicide i believe i need to get to heaven like i'm also jewish but catholic she's not jewish i'm converting not that i care but she's not okay well i'm on my way to convert my boyfriend's an israeli jew you don't have the you you wouldn't even make it 100th away through jewish conversion those [ __ ] they don't [ __ ] around it's not like dunk you're jewish like the the christians go dunk your ass you're christian now it's not like that anyways i don't really mix on honestly i didn't know you weren't supposed to be completely clear even when i had them i got my stomach pumped one time and they never told me that they weren't like they weren't like don't mix the two they said just don't do it with alcohol so like no one ever told me don't mix a painkiller with them i'm sure they didn't i'm sure they didn't that drives me crazy that people give those both those medicines together and don't give you a warning yeah the problem is if we do not want you to die we do care about you we do not yes i don't want you i don't want to die and by the way you you're you are having i think a deeper impact by getting your conditions treated and then talking about them dying yeah it just becomes this weird sort of mythological thing you're being very realistic and forthcoming yes what are relatively common conditions you have in the you have cultivated all the love and hate in the world right you've done that's been your thing for a long time so it's going to take a while for that to settle down yeah hopefully what is it about so the so if you take the opioids and the benzos it slows your heart rate that's the problem in your heart is just like i'm sober i'm done i can't beat anymore no it's the the opiates suppress your respiratory center oh you stopped breathing and when you put the benzo on top of it it really puts rocket fuel on that and you just stop breathing oh [ __ ] oh my gosh i'm scared because like everyone noticed like my neck and then i went to go get my thing checked out on my neck and they sent me to an ekg get an ekg oh yeah because someone said i have shortness of breath but i don't have coverage oh my god what if i'm dying what happens well no you're not unless you're on a bunch of drugs he's saying you have to be super high and then you stop like you block out i don't know someone who specializes in the neck and i have like this greater thing and i got the blood work i got like a scan and then they sent me to a cardiologist and i was like why i know i it was all last week it was very there was there was comments saying trisha has something on her neck she should get it checked out if you can see i mean i don't see that i actually don't see it even yeah i went on friday i don't know i don't know i couldn't see it either now i'm scared about it i was like what the hell why the [ __ ] did you have one what was it your thyroid well i just went uh like literally thursday to get all my tests i went to like the quest lab place to get my blood work and then i did my ekg so i haven't gotten anything back this is all like last week because they told me what two weeks ago and then i was like i should get it checked out i guess which makes sense because i have like anyways this is a whole other thing but i can't lose weight and i've been like eating healthy and like working out and then my acne so i just it's i don't know i don't know there may be something wrong with me but what we've established today that there is just add it to the list well um so you guys said just a sneak peek trisha gets so mad when i do this watch what so just like a snake see you're trying to trigger me trisha gets so mad watching no because i know that you will because when i'm not talking about you you get upset no that is not true watch just watch you're gonna get mad when i talk about this teddy fresh no okay but good call so on our episode that we're filming tomorrow as a teaser you guys said there are some interesting results there yes trisha is not uh alone nor is he uh the leader of the pack [ __ ] you hear that holy [ __ ] i know who it is i know it is but i can't say her name her you can guess right i mean you can guess you you think it's ila i think it's she who must not be named you can say her name i'm scared to say it didn't test any did we test any females mark yeah too yes but i think you guys are going to be very very surprised tomorrow oh my god i am so excited so well we'll talk to you guys if you can make it or not i totally understand if you can and if not we'll just we'll dan is the only one that knows the real answer so he he'll he'll officiate in your guys's uh stead wow i'll play doctor for the day but doctor first of all dr drew he's everywhere that's just everywhere he's on youtube he's on periscope even in all places i didn't know people are on periscope facebook facebook instagram he's on your mom's house dr drew after dark dr drew live dr drew dr drew dr drew just google dr drew dr young you teach at usc i do in the in the marshall school of business well oh you're wait your business your your business professor oh so what are you doing here well i i work in the entertainment business you know the human behavior part of economics and accounting oh how interesting well thank you so i mean thank you so much for taking time out of your day to do this it really means a lot that that you would come on and do this for us it was fascinating so final thoughts on what should we do anything to change it or is it jerry springer okay what is our final thoughts i've got ideas mark you first no i again i think that at least we hope that you know these tests have provided you with you know some insight into personality dimensions and perhaps a better way for you guys to understand each other as you understand the scores that that we've talked about um but just because you have these numbers doesn't really mean anything about having a disorder per se we're just trying to point out the different traits that you you know have evinced um by taking these instruments i i completely agree with that that that is virtually my my thought we will take none of that to heart but thank you well that's my that's my next thought my only concern is your guys relationship well here's what i think is going to happen i think i think you are going to use my low scores somehow to continually insult me am i allowed to continue to insult you yes no no it's fine it's not about family it's fine then yes you're right but you will you will continually use the fact that i am a saint below average and by the way the fact that i score so low on these tests is probably the only reason that i could sit here and do this show with you i think that's more patience rather than narcissism i think you could use a little more do you agree with that doc doctor it would be that it's the reason you can sit there and do the show and make it entertaining you see if i were if i were there it would not be entertaining i think it would be dr drew okay you guys want you guys want to get in touch and do a show by all means i think trisha if you and i were to do it we'd have to be ant we'd have to be focused on somebody else we'd have to be taking phone calls that kind of thing and that would be different and entertaining are you pitching a show to my fellows we're good together that show wouldn't last that show oh my it's dr drew he did a little bit like what are you talking about let's do it again first of all who are you to give people advice on anything that's the whole point is i'm not your typical like doctor or you i'm like a little where the conflict would come again right all right okay okay god bless you guys have my blessings this is the last time the two of us talking would not be interesting because i'd be you know what you are dr drew you're the best friend that comes in and [ __ ] the wife and ruins the [ __ ] marriage that's you right now i would love to i mean i think most wives would love that if dr drew was that person yeah okay well if you're gonna cheat it would be with dr jerome for sure let's not forget about that um dr dre you do look very buff in your jacket by the way you're married right dr drew married 30 years and now how the uh that that this is uh something uh up front uh ethan is going to be too threatened to have me ever back on the show that's not true see that's not true this the fact that unless he can watch then he's by the way the fact that i got this low score such [ __ ] because i feel like i am a confident person i will gladly have you back i don't care if you install anything look see you can have a defensive over that you get on no because i know you're gonna [ __ ] i know that you're no i know that you're gonna keep using this even though you're the psycho i'm the same and you always use that why can't i have one thing to like to dig at you for a g because i'm a perfect human being and you shouldn't be able to say anything about insecure you can use any of this against me i'm not no i'm kidding i'm not insecure either okay so that part that's the part i'm concerned with which which is uh i love you both but but because it's entertaining it's kind of unstable this relationship and there will be blow-ups in the future there will be yeah and what should i do that's another question so if i see her eyes like turning red and she's like going which i saw there and i don't know what to do so what do i just walk away i mean what do i do you can just be like maybe in the middle of a show and you're trying you have dual you know sort of yeah we're on camera you're trying to make a show and you want to not trigger her so much but you have to get used to de-escalating things and that i don't know how to de-escalate when she goes into pushing so the nanny thing it was a jab why don't you just be like next topic inside oh okay tell me why i'm a bad parent tell me why my mom should be watching my kids like you just kept going for it i did it as an off jab you could have just been like all right let's get you know what i mean like it wasn't a job but yeah that's what makes the show interesting yeah but i can't let that go you have to learn where that line is you have to really learn it and just stop you just go okay but i i felt like at that point there was no saving it i could tell it was all no it wasn't until the most came in and everyone was making jokes and all of a sudden i'm like wait was that all a joke was that all just like when it was like a very serious thing to me then i was just like that's when i like started like snapping i was like oh my god was just trying to look like i was just trying to make light of it because moses walks in with he goes away to get pizza we have a total meltdown he comes back with we were all happy when he left and when he comes back ever it's like we're it's like nuclear right and so i was trying to make light of the fact that moses came with the pizzas and i was like hey moses the pizzas are here and uh apparently it doesn't feel like i was i'm looking to make it look stupid on the show like i'm just supposed to be embarrassed like bring up the ela thing not on camera but that's what started it all and i was like wow you're just trying to make me look stupid and look bad in front of people like for no reason and i would urge you trisha when you start feeling that way bring that up because i don't think he knew you were experiencing that yeah you start to experience shame humiliation all that stuff that you're trying to talk about you have to say i'm being triggered these are feelings yeah i would respect that but also to say like when i said that thing about let's not talk about ela i was going to cut that so i'm sorry if i made if i embarrassed you in that moment but my intention wasn't to broadcast that to everybody either when i said the good news is what now when you say look i apologize i i really believe that as compared to where you guys were at the beginning of the show so whatever we've done whatever we've done you guys are sort of in a better certainly a better more connected place right now yeah we by the way we did talk a lot we talked a bit before we came on and kind of buried that and i talked to ela already too like i think that was like the big thing for me because i was more embarrassed about what i said about ela you it's like whatever yeah and it's fine i'm just kidding i really don't take offense to anything you could say i know you don't yeah yes what i'm saying is i there will be future fights so i guess i will be back yay yeah maybe we just subconsciously were like maybe it's time to just go wild because we know he's coming next week [Music] hey guys one last thing to think about and that is if you think about a lot of celebrity marriages where you have you know two celebrities together often they don't survive and the reason is because if you have two high-level narcissists in a it just explodes so maybe what we've discovered here is that if one person is high narcissism and the other is not that's why the show works yeah that's what i'm saying okay yeah that's true thank you for the observation doctor and basically um i think and i think i think my opinion really is that i'm always willing to make it work and there's nothing you can say or do or you could say and storm out or whatever it is that that's going to make me abandon you okay but but you know but trisha believes you will yeah you will do so you don't believe me because he even wanted to take a break he didn't want me to be on for this show like originally he said i wasn't going to do the show without you but you wanted to take a break you wanted me to take a break when i didn't want to and i was like oh so that's like pushing me that's how it's happening i keep trying to explain to you but you know it's the problem is between ela and moses okay they have a family issue but you kept saying i don't think you can continue the show i don't think the show is like worth it anymore that's what you said on history live oh well so the problem is that tricia really has issues with abandonment and when you go down that path it's very evocative for her i will not abandon you and what will happen is she will abandon you before you have a chance to abandon her and that's what i try to do i try to be like you know what you can't fire me i quit so i was like you know what i'm going to quit because he kept saying on h3 live this show's not worth it it's not worth the family drama and i was like well in that case then i don't care about you either and i will quit the show all right that's not good and by the way i don't take that seriously because i know what i feel like i know who and how and what you feel in your heart and so when you go to those places i don't take it personally but the problem again she means she means when she when it's real to her it's real it is real that's what i'm saying but i know she comes around i know she i know you come around gotta be really careful with that because it can be a problem well okay i listen the issue is it's external it's not between me and you necessarily it's about what happens it's about what sometimes you say we've talked about boundaries before it's about what you say about elis family and the substance we never had this conversation off camera it was always on camera where i just assumed it was like for the show you don't mind me poking at it it's like reality show where you just say stuff to poke people and you never told me off camera like hey really it's not talking about it but i was wrong natural boundaries on our show like you literally like to say so much to say mo to say that somebody's brother hates them and their mom's not invited to the wedding oh my god and it was so clearly a joke where i'm like dan and it was not a joke when i said you guys were invited i mean just be honest everybody perceived that as not being a joke go ahead dan no i mean trish is right you guys talk [ __ ] all the time i i don't know i don't think you should have been as offended as you were at least without having the conversation off the air the conversation off the air i agree but i wasn't offended i just said we can't talk about this i said ila doesn't want to talk about the family talking about two different things now though yeah you just want to wait i'm not offended i'm not offended by anything you ever told you're not invited to the wedding i joked him and eli is like you know what dan and his girlfriend are invited but you're not invited you really think i'm gonna invite dan and his girlfriend over here no no that was a joke that was the same sentence yeah there was a different comment where you said it was in that same circumstances like and not his mom either clearly and if it's not a joke it's not a joke you missed it whatever but it's like that said one time you guys cut it out and you never addressed why you cut it out you never said hey don't do that that's not cool never you just cut it out and then i was like oh okay they just cut it out like not a big deal they just didn't like it or whatever but you never once said this is a serious problem ela's like family's intention of her no one told me anything moses didn't tell me you didn't how was i supposed to know it was an offhanded journey because eli kept talking to him about how he either should talk to me that was a whole point how am i supposed to know something i'm saying is that offensive to people i thought took it as light-hearted like who cares we talked about it it wasn't one incident and dan you have to back me up here but don't unless you agree with me is that continually throughout episodes you're always making comments about moses not being close to his relate to his family so i kept doing it and you never once told me off camera that it's not that you don't like that stop doing it you said i always sat on camera you were just like it's the way you poke me about everything in my life you do it too to me that seemed like a an obvious boundary and on the show i would be like you have to stop saying that but you're right i should i agree with you i'm getting confused where the boundaries are you guys need to talk about that that's it for me that's the only boundary and and speaking of boundaries weren't we heading towards the exit about five minutes ago yeah yeah you guys have buddy what do you guys got something to do sorry what a couple of doctors you got nothing better to do i'm sorry okay thank you dr drew dr young thank you so much for your time we love and appreciate you guys so much and wish you all the best so thank you so much [Music] okay well uh i love those guys i love them too i love dr drew like in a weird really nice way and he's i think he's he's handsome so that makes you want yeah it's a little uncomfortable because i because i have the condition right once the [ __ ] me i'm like oh [ __ ] we like you together you're trying to already you know dr doesn't want to [ __ ] you but you have that three out of three on vanity right so you never know you never know okay that's true but like you have to temper you with your feelings about whenever you think oh that dude definitely wants to [ __ ] me just remember i do have a three out of three on vanity which means they do want to [ __ ] me or what no it means that your filter is is [ __ ] up i guess i just never been turned down by like someone i wanted to have sex with so i just always assume everyone has sex with me but yeah you're probably right i'm not gonna lie you've never been turned down well what does it look like when you try to [ __ ] someone cuz like i never initiate it i always have the personality so so that seems like a confirmation bias wait what do you mean if they're trying to [ __ ] you they're interested in in you yeah but like every guy i've been with obviously obviously not you or people that are married or really shipped i'm saying in general like i had okay i want to say here's here i'll i'll place this stuff i'll place this gauntlet down okay if you [ __ ] dr drew then i will agree with you i'll be like you know what relationship you are the sex goddess i bow down to you yeah well most what is motive scary he's out you know what i mean it's all part of it's for the uh it's for the love of the game it's not about him oh my god um yeah that was really good mm-hmm how did you feel about the results um it was good i guess like yeah it was good no surprises no i also don't think like narcissism is like that bad of a thing you know like i i think people can be people that are on like narcissists like sociopath they throw those words around so much manipulative i hate when people just like throw things around like they're freaking like like like they're doctors that know everything i'm like okay let's like calm down people sociopaths in a really you know extreme high spectrum it is very it can be very damaging but it seems like it seems like obviously you you scored pretty high on some stuff but like not crazy i think the vanity and the exhibitionism was the two parts where you were like scored really which they said is like not hurting anybody ever also like doing that yeah you're not you're not necessarily exploiting other people because you because you think you're hot although it did get you an unfollow it got me an unfollow from you when i sent you my game yeah like on fire i did unfold they did cost you that one you did i was like i would follow you back immediately if you stop posting it's all porn on my twitter so that's so you know i understand i follow you on instagram and i always like your posts you do i've only seen it a few times but thank you i appreciate it well whenever they're on my feed i don't know how instagram does that [ __ ] yeah you don't post that much but i do like yours when you post too thank you so much should we um i have to say i'm kind of surprised by how low i i didn't think that i was gonna hit very high but i'm kind of surprised by it i guessed it i said eight and it was a seven i knew because i just like you're not a narcissist i mean there's a lot of things to say about you like you're a hypocrite and stuff but like i don't know oh my god [ __ ] i think that's your only flaw can i say this i mean this is a compliment like i there's really not wait wait wait wait what am i hypocritical i think you are somewhat hypocritical of like things like the contradictions where you say oh it's not the same thing when it is like you guys can like the not to go back and forth but you just you really don't think you're i don't think hypocrisy was even on that scale i'm not saying it wasn't so let's get the doctor i also don't think you like admit you're wrong that's your only fault it's like you really don't think you're wrong most of the time like you're like what did we do wrong like you can't even admit that you're like five percent wrong in that situation i have tol i fully admitted i was wrong i should have talked to you yeah i think now you come around to it but it takes you a minute i thought yeah but i mean i agree i fully should have told you about that boundary before we went on 100 and um there was something else that i i mean it's crystal clear now obviously that boundary like obviously i'm like oh [ __ ] like it was such a [ __ ] storm but i think overall like i get it i you know i'm excited for tomorrow's episode y'all better not miss that i definitely want to why you don't care i just can't i try so hard because you're my friend and i try so hard to like watch it yeah i think the i know you love them but i just think the overall everyone else is so boring i just can't and like i get it you they're pop you guys are popping in popular so i'm not that's like me saying i don't like david dobrik when everyone loves them and everyone loves you guys so it's not a job or anything well anyway i'm just i'm just really curious about who's off the charts are we am i being fired like because if not dr drew has offered me a spot you go do your show with dr drew you know what i mean maybe i mean god bless you guys but so but you guys have time to figure that out because we this is officially our last episode of frenemies not forever we're taking a two-week break at the end of the year we always take a two-week break because we like to let the guys take time off because we all work really hard i took it personally when you said to take a break and you're like we're gonna take a break and it's like oh [ __ ] oh no it wasn't you everybody do this every year thank god that means we take a week we take a break at the end of every year to give these guys who work so hard time off so that they can relax a little bit so this is our last week and we'll be back in january when is our first uh backup dan if you have a calendar in front of you well it'd be the monday or you know whatever you guys will see it it'll pop up probably the week of the 11th or the 12th oh really well we usually post on tuesday so i mean potentially the 12th of january oh my god that's so far away wait yeah what about the first week of january what about it that's the one that one of the weeks that we're taking off i said two the last two weeks of december dan's trying to get himself another week off oh okay well then the then the fourth through the fifth the fourth or the fifth of january that sounds better it does sound dance like i will be back the 15th of uh february oh [ __ ] i'm gonna be sad i'm gonna be sad and i think it can we also say that i talk to igola and like can i say that or no you just yes you can talk about it okay i think we did talk yesterday on the phone and we talked but we did talk yesterday and like i will say like one of the cool well people might not agree with it but i thought it was like the coolest thing when i like obviously think i was most embarrassed about was calling like elo the words that i said yeah it was it was gross and cringy and whatever and when i apologize ela she goes oh that doesn't bother me and i was like okay like it should but it made me feel better like you know what i mean she like understood where i was coming from not that it's right i'm not excusing me but it did feel like i thought oh that's pretty [ __ ] cool like that she's kind of like it's fine like i get it that's what i'm trying you can cause most people wouldn't be this that stuff doesn't bother me us at all you can say anything you want that's what i'm trying to say is the boundaries is i won't i don't want to say anything i know but i'm saying like that to me that's like i we get over that that's fine it's the it's the family stuff that's all most people can't i feel like if someone were to call me that like that's why my ex-wife broke up with me i called his ex-wife that really yeah and he literally was like because he's a cuck like he actually is one he probably scored zero on that scale like he was like anything she's like oh i was doing patreon at the time and he's just oh anyway i should go into this whole detail but she would throw and take the kids away she was crazy and he's just like a little cluck i'm not good either i'm not touching that i don't [ __ ] know anyway that's a dirty word it's a nasty word i don't like calling people that like i don't think about [ __ ] and i i want to reiterate i never once ever said she was rude or disrespectful just to reiterate for everyone i actually never said that about her ever like here comes the compilations no please please i challenged someone to find me saying that she was rude or unwelcoming when i always said the opposite maybe i said we're awkward like whatever moses doesn't like you but water i am awkward in general by the way i'm wearing teddy fresh is this an elo design or is this a ethan design or is this a team design what is this well we have a huge team that works on graphics and i mean it's like everything we do as a teammate this is really cute it's got teddy bears with little christmas lights i mean you yelled at me and said don't wear teddy fresh anymore so i wore a supreme shirt today and you showed up in a teddy freddie well i was trying to do my piece offering i was like look i'm gonna wear a teddy fresh i got my h3 mugs these will be available soon vintage mugs i'll sell them come to me you only have two actually a four now because you gave me two when i was on the show so now i have a collection which i really you're gonna open a shop trish is gonna be able to open her own merch shop honestly where the [ __ ] you get that chocolate milk just pull the chocolate milk out after a two-hour podcast i feel like my sugar is a little low because i feel like i'm about to pass out so i'm just going to should that be refrigerated can chocolate milk go two hours out of the fridge is it still cold i mean i just got a 7 11 on my way here i'm sure it's fine yeah it's probably fine it gets sick it's a surprise you pulled it out of nowhere i was like chocolate milk i don't know should we get another pizza i wish we could get another peace offering pizza because i'd eat that with you right you want to eat a pizza but we'd have a lot of ways we should have thought about it before oh i was i ate the [ __ ] way you ate it why was i gonna throw it out i couldn't even eat after i was so sick to my stomach and then like i just was so sad about it because it was my idea and then moses paid for i'm like moses why didn't you grab the pizzas on the way out i was so annoyed that he left them i thought that's why he was down here getting the pizzas oh dude that would have been so douchey he's like [ __ ] you guys i'm taking the pizza actually all all of us were standing around having a really sad pizza party and then i heard dan say it wasn't even go which is [ __ ] because pizza is the best pizza again i can see when i'm wrong they gave the thick crust and i think it it made it way too heavy and we all got sick exactly you should have had just the regular yeah i can see it once again the tree box everyone thinks it got sponsored by that the pizza hut tree box was like everywhere everyone ordered it anyways we're all good i don't want to separate moses from his family i apologize like i want him to be with his family and we all i want you all to come to the wedding i want like okay and we and we and we all wish the best for you guys i mean genuinely you know so anyway we'll be back oh and by the way trisha got me the best present ever she got me a playstation five which i should have i know well i didn't i didn't know if we were going to have that well somebody has to pick it up maybe i can't come drop it off i won't stay i'm not that person oh i just didn't want to put you out of your way yeah come here i would like to give you it should we get a pizza and eat it together okay and then pass off the ps4 we can film it well i thought you might have already had it why don't we do why don't we do like we can make like a tick tock or something of like the christmas miracle the ps5 pizza party and no the real miracles i got it at uh retail value i did not pay extra for so when she told me she said i i got you a christmas present it's a ps5 the first thing i asked is did you buy it on stockx because i do not support those [ __ ] who sell that [ __ ] markup and i've refused to buy from them and the perfect aspect is that she got it at retail from someone at best buy yeah which was like just for a shout out and the price but hey i'll take it i love the [ __ ] hey i mean shout out's worth way more than what well the reason i told you is because you were looking at your phone talking about like trying to get and i was like [ __ ] i feel like he's gonna like get someone and because i already got it and i have no use where i was like wait i should just tell him so no one like tries to scramble to get it on stockx or something because well we all these guys everybody's been trying to get ps5s none of us have got one i had the ps5 hookup i mean yeah literally like a b ian zach then i don't think you care and then and then ab even has his own team in the discord he says none of us can get it who i'm just i don't i don't understand who the [ __ ] is able to buy these people who know general managers of best buy well they're just bots though it's just it's so [ __ ] up i my dream is that all these bots buying the ps5s that that sony gets their [ __ ] together and floods the market and they all just have to like sell it under retail because nobody wants but now you have one i didn't get you any games or anything i don't know what i don't like i'll just i'm gonna download them okay because i don't know yeah i don't need games yeah that's honestly such a thoughtful gift thank you so much well i was so excited because we talked about during goat yoga and i was like that's the gift that's what i'm going to get them and then i was so excited about it and then i was like i've been thinking a lot about what to get you and no i i don't i really don't want anything when i say i don't want anything i like really mean it cause i really do by myself you also told me when i get someone a gift and don't reciprocate i get angry i don't get angry you get disappointed maybe but but i really don't expect it because i do get myself everything like i'm seeing shane tonight and he does the best gift so i'm like i need to get something great for him you know what i mean we'll see him tonight i don't know like last year he got me cartier bracelet like the year before like he gets me he's like all out not saying you i'm just saying he's like the he's the ultimate we brought the same with gift giving so then i was like and he's hard to buy for cause he's a guy you know what i mean so it's hard but i'm trying to think yeah because like i know you like jewelry and all this bling and stuff but i'm not no you don't you don't have to get me anything but i was trying to think of something really thoughtful like this menorah like how do you have someone that just blings like like put me in touch with your bling person i got you something from them too i should have brought that i have that right i wish i had a blank person because i have good ideas for that i got you another thing bling but i didn't want to be overwhelmingly weird and being like here's gifts because i love gifts i love giving gifts you tell me what you've got me blinked um i feel like i could wait until the new year i feel like because it actually kind of has to do with our set a little bit too can you put me and tell you the willing person so i can bring you out something i have all the bling things i need i have so many bling i have a bling birkin i blink everything you really you know what honestly can i say and i'm not just saying this like these cops are honestly like the most awful thing like the fact that whoever remembered that i wanted these and gave them to me and it was me oh well then that's to me means like a lot and i really mean that like that's cool like for instance like okay i really wanted a pig backpack from shane and sold out or whatever but he gave me like a white one that wasn't even for sale yet for my birthday he gave me other things but that's me was the most thoughtful gift because i was like oh [ __ ] also we set aside i don't i don't know if you got it yet but you asked for some teddy fresh that's all sold out that we sent you i don't know if it's right there i got it the day i got i went home and stormed off and then there was like a teddy fresh box i'm like do i unbox this like is it open um i i did open it but i was going to do it on camera but it felt like it authentic it felt like it's not real to do it so that was nice yeah no i appreciate it i remember i made a special note i said trisha this this no you do you are good that's what i'm saying that stuff means more no but i need to surprise you with something this was a surprise i saw these and i did get really excited i was like oh my god that's really nice you do have a weird if you do love those mugs i love these mugs and i stole them when i didn't steal them you gave them to me each time i did the podcast i thought how cool and you know your makeup i have four so if you ever want to use them come to my house i'll have a set for everybody and i do try to hang out with you guys you guys said that you never try to like hang out socially with you guys and we did try to plan one one time you said after theater goes bad at six o'clock but then it was the weekend of the election and i got chaos and covet and all that stuff like that but i do try and hang out with you i think it's the covet thing i know but i want to socialize i like to i want you guys a part of i want to be a part of the family i want you guys a part of like i want everyone to be together so i try it i know it's kova but just to make that clear i want to be in but it's oh yeah i think it was once and you made it sound like you're asking us every week no no and then about we won't talk about it but you said something like that could be fun we could do that this weekend and then i never heard from you i'm like hey i thought we're supposed to hang out this weekend you're like oh we got busy and i was like okay this was like the first episode of the show and the point is i want to be a part of your guys's life and vice versa i thought like truly like when i first started dating like moses said that would be like a good idea because i was like oh then i can get close to you guys like i really wanted to and not in like a user way but i was like oh that's so cool because like i was like i liked you guys i was like this is a good like in obviously is that i don't know what monkey millionaires but either way i really like you guys and i wanted to be part of this it's why i like from the beginning i wanted to come to like your house and be a part of your lives and everything the successes of this channel jokingly mock but you say you say you always say how uncomfortable you are here and that you hey i'm very awkward yeah i'm super i need to get over that though i'm just not well anyway we won't be here soon i understand this is my this is my home turf right so either way it's your home server because it's your channel your employees yeah and the studios are much more neutral think about if we were like on the real housewives of bro on bravo right and like we had this fight like bravo employees aren't gonna give a [ __ ] that we had this they will like egg it on more personal attacks but because it's you and your family do you know what i mean well even your family and stuff everything but if it was on a tv show where no one had anything invested they'd be like yeah trish get um like get the personal stuff going yeah that's true so it is i get it i'm learning i i i but but but for the most part they just sit here silently unless i ask but but you're right these are my guys right and they would never they would never go against them that's not true dan i i dan's gone if dan kind of [ __ ] me over sometimes i'll tell you dad throws me under the bus no i was shook because i think me and dan always had a rough start he didn't want me on the show from the very beginning yeah on friday he threw my ass under the bus no i no he wasn't throwing yourself and everyone's like yeah he was bringing awareness like oh i think because not to throw a b out of the bus but he summarized the video wrong saying that i was yeah abby kind of screwed me i have to i think abe screwed me because he's like she's mad at the chest on ebola side i'm like what chat what are you talking about i was just like watching something on my phone no but also abe summarized your video poorly it was not one thing he made it sound like it was like trashing us though i was like praising like i was like i want to be upset i think av screwed me on that one but he did say in his wrist after i was already charged up and angry at you and ready to talk about it on on live he goes maybe it's not as bad as i made it sound so why wouldn't you watch it as dan says why is it 40 minutes talking about it well i did well to be fair i didn't talk that much i didn't really like 40 minutes yeah i didn't have time i didn't have 40 minutes in the morning we were working no you guys talked 40 minutes about the comment you pinned which was [ __ ] up oh my god you didn't see the video the whole video was me just being like a comment the comment had nothing to do with the video and then also dan mentioning bringing up the the point which you now agree with him is like oh maybe you should have mentioned that camera dan is right and then you at the time like what what but it was it was it was like a it was nice what dan yeah i just jokingly said thank you yeah no i was because you know i was you know they're obviously going to be like you're excited he's right no dan's right and that's what i like how i like when i don't expect them always to agree with me and i like when they when they put me in my place so to speak it's just uh i'm putting in your place it's just like nobody's telling you a difference i get charged up they give me not putting me in my place i was trying i was trying to lead into a joke but i hit the brakes on it but i i appreciate when they gave me that different perspective and he was right okay and so but i mostly i blame a b true i'm just kidding i'm just kidding yeah but you could say something yeah give me a mic all right maybe wants to say something av the simp the ethernet thank you he's har by the way a b before you talk ab recently won heartthrob of the crew do you agree with that on what and what just like most attractive crew member um definitely okay there you go for sure that's well you're going against like yeah it's a it's not a yeah what would you give a mono at a one out of ten though a b or d a b out of ten uh i don't really i never liked young guys in general even when i was young so i would say like a a five out of ten oh my god the bar is low for friday dude we are we are a bunch of wow that's awesome yeah but that's only because like i don't know yeah yeah but heartthrob at five is brutal i mean that's awesome okay let's hear what abe has to say number five okay so when i summarized the video i was going word for word for sentences but i did say at the end and dan could back me up it sounds worse in text i recommend that you watch it yourself what do you mean you were really i recommend you by the way a b our show starts at 12 live and he sends me this summary at like 12 50 and goes i recommend you watch it it's like dude what am i going to do i just want to say i'm always the one that has trisha's back that's all i'm saying oh it's not true no i swear no i mean on friday maybe i didn't express myself i meant that the comments were really rough on you that's what i was trying to say not that you made that video because the comments i meant that like during not the initial yeah during the live i made the video cause of the comments not because of you guys there was i had nothing bad to say about it i didn't read the comments i didn't know what people were saying h3 on the h3 during the live no no on the on the front of me i'm sorry in front of me i was yeah those comments so that was my yeah those comments were for the most part so i was just trying to claim her name with the comments i had nothing and i kept saying like how amazing i think you are and ela's talented and like how i want to be a part of this and like all this so done when you guys came for that i was like wait what's up so so did you watch it after all that no i still haven't watched it it's too long it's too long i mean i know but your videos kind of they need to be edited down a little bit i people and then you made another one that was like an hour 20 i was like uh uh-uh girl i ain't got time for this [ __ ] i've got it i got you know what i mean yeah i felt bad it was birthday but in all fairness you made your first attack video on my birthday it's fine and that's when i had the meth overdose and went to the hospital okay whoa [Laughter] if you want to go there jesus um anyways sorry you lost at the streamies too oh my god that oh that was so weird the guy who won so weirdo i've never never heard of him by the way no views it's so weird we're gonna talk about it on uh on uh on our next podcast of the week promoting the next podcast no well because but like this guy he has like 20 000 subscribers on youtube he averages 10 000 views per pocket i'm not saying that it's not a good podcast because it doesn't have good views but i never [ __ ] heard of the guy it's so weird because i i was going to the stream because he's sucking i know well i was looking for pictures of who won best podcast i was expecting either logan david or you guys for sure and then i skipped past it because i even see i'm like wait where's the podcast and i was like oh who is this person i was so confused well i was like oh maybe he's because there's there's lots of content on youtube huge creators i was like that i've never heard of and always surprised me so i look up his channel i was like the [ __ ] is this guy it's it's weird i don't know but whatever but that's what i think the stream is all these internet awards is a bunch of [ __ ] like i mean seriously i would go in front of me is nominated actually i wouldn't i haven't they just they they emailed me and they said uh be ready because if you win send us a video accepting oh so you thought maybe you would win i was like okay cool maybe we'll win that that would actually be fun you know right for sure and then and it was like some dude you never heard of who gets 10 000 views and again that doesn't mean it's not good it's just odd what a weird setup though to be like oh get ready to send us a video if you weren't going to win because they usually tell the winners not to bring up trucks films but he knew he was going to win a shorty award and he just flew to new york because they told him in advance he was going to win well shorty's the [ __ ] [ __ ] them all but here's the thing like i'm not saying that guys doesn't make a good podcast i've never seen it right but there's like a billion podcasts that get 10 000 views per episode right like why was he nominated there's something fishy yeah it's set up for sure like last year of the year stop the steal stop the steal wait is that his name no his name is j shitty what's what that's his name no but seriously what what is this guy's story like i'm like who is he like what is his story i don't know like even logan paul who obviously you know that's what i thought was gonna win like obviously i've been in and out with logan paul in terms of things but like i would understand if you won like the guy's been through a lot he makes a good product he has a podcast he puts a lot of work into it yeah it's big it's popular and so like that would make it's part of like a redemption arc i was like oh i think and if logan paul won i wouldn't even complain it makes perfect sense yeah did he win last year two i don't think he did i think it was the views or mandates which yeah which by the way isn't even on [ __ ] youtube yeah they're so lazy on that podcast it's 40 minutes long and they have 20 other people talking about like i mean i mean what are what are the metrics in it and i'm not complaining but like look at everything we do look at everything we put in some [ __ ] who nobody knows comes in like what i just i'd like some explanation i demand it you [ __ ] it on the streamys like you were sitting on there yeah that's probably the sorties i'll take a nomination i would have gone to represent you i think we've been nominated every year really always surprising yeah i think so yeah wow and you never won never never that's okay but i never expected you you have to play ball with these people too do i win yeah i [ __ ] them jay shitty probably won because he immediately emailed them back and was like yes i'll fly out i'll be there i have a video ready to go well no no but it was all over via the internet there was no audience or anything oh right right no they would and he they even said because i tried to like play ball a little bit because they're like be on standby because if you win you need to send us a video acceptance or immediately and i said i'm standing by you did okay you were ready so i was like okay i'll send you a video because usually i just don't want to go there because it's a schlep so but this year i was like okay i'll send you a [ __ ] video my acceptance video was going to be snarky though i was already thinking about it i think well i was gonna be like thanks for the best podcast uh but you know too bad joe rogan couldn't be here who obviously it wasn't even nominated it has like a trillion more views than me oh i want to be his co-host chill rogan do you think he would let me on or is it boys club over there wait you mean it as an interview no i want to be like a co-host it's not enough to be an interview you want to be on every episode of the joe rogan podcast yeah well if he has like if he's scoring like saint level low on the dark triad maybe do you think he's a narcissist do you think we'd but how do you think he'd like me i don't know i don't think about him actually though he's definitely i what the [ __ ] do i know about you i don't know but i think all i know is all i know is that he you peed do you smell it it smells so bad that's so weird i don't know i couldn't control it that's weird do you really smell it no wait did you really appear i'll be okay i don't know just a little bit why do you have to pee really bad no i think something's wrong i don't know i think something's wrong with you leaking urine he smelled it look he's like wait do you leak urine are you wearing depends or something no it just is it squirt huh is it squirt no i think your dog knew i love it it's very odd that you use leaking urine i want to know more about it he wanted to be picked up i don't know i think my i think my um i don't know has this happened before never i just peed a little time what oh my god but i just find that's so odd i need more information about it it just came out i have no idea i maybe should see a doctor i don't know it honestly just happened you don't smell the first time ever no i don't smell it the dog came right to me when i did it oh fred you're so sweet you like you like trisha's yarn you like sitting in it you said yes yes anyway we've said enough yeah so we're on good terms everyone's on with me anyways i don't know i'm not getting into any of these are we just going past the thing that you just feed your pants i don't know it smells it smells bad it smells gross i'm embarrassed right now so can we not talk about it but i have to understand this phenomenon i've never done that you just let you expect let me just let you know that you feed her pants a reason that i don't know i will wrap it up i just find it fascinating okay bye well i don't want my dog in your urine it's not in my urine it's obviously finding something comforting about my body it's so sweet yeah he never comes to me to like let me hold him he's so sweet i love him so much fred you're the best ever i'll take him can i take him for a week over my dead [ __ ] body i love my dogs like my dogs are my heart i love them do you love them equally you said that once right you love them equally as your child i'm not trying to like bring up anything but like obviously it's a theodore in a burning fire first but i think i love my my i love my pets like i love my children yeah obviously there's dif that that means different things it doesn't mean like theater was the priority but you love it yeah if the house is on fire i'm gonna grab you know and i if i have to save one but like i love my dogs i mean i do it my dogs are everything to me you know what i mean you would let theodore burn you said i'd grab him okay if you're grabbing theodore i'll grab oh we're together okay you're like i let theodore burn no all right we're we're back but we're not we're gone for a couple weeks so we'll see you guys in the january something's the beginning of january you want to promote the podcast i was on that they came for you jay porton are you oh i can't wait oh later yeah we have to come back and respond to that it's the last episode of the year right now we have to because dave portney is that his name yeah apparently you did their podcast and he was making fun of me it was awkward and he didn't i don't know if he knew his tourette's but he was making fun of your twitches and your hand just it was super awkward i didn't know what to say i did defend you at the end of it because i was like what do i say this is so uncomfortable because i was defending on stevo's apparently oh my god you owed me what stevo just hates me too i don't get it but yeah i appreciate that by the way stevo i don't i don't remember what he said so i'm not i'm not trying i'm not attacking stevo i like steevo he really dave party's a [ __ ] and i'm gonna [ __ ] him up i actually i'm not gonna i think oh he is oh well maybe we shouldn't fight he after i said i love like jewish man he's like i'm a jew i'm like oh he's trying to be someone who wants hot young like 20 year old [ __ ] you know what i mean yeah that's what i don't want i don't like guys like that um no it's not the judgment on that but uh i don't i think it's odd that he has a podcast with a 18 year old dude like bro can you [ __ ] hang out with like not a bunch of young tick tuckers you freak a lot of people do that so i mean there's nothing legally wrong with this legally of course i'm not saying he's breaking the laws off some famous tick talkers yeah he has money though he's machiavellian that [ __ ] he should do a narcissist test huh he'd be off the chart i can't well anyway i can't wait to see why are we promoting this asshole's podcast but i can't wait to see apparently apparently he made fun of my tourette's and [ __ ] not and it's awesome it was a weird attack there's a lot of things to attack you for i don't know if i would go for that as my first well because you literally well yeah i can't control it like it's it's better to cost you fat or something good or like me that i'll put on me because i can control i can control my weight so okay calling me fat whatever but if you really can't control huh look at that [ __ ] idiot taking out that's what he said yeah love it i can't wait dave porton is going down boxing match is he big or small i think he's a big guy i don't know i wasn't there is he really i think he's big he's stretching as a little guy he looked pretty big he's very mask energy can you look up his height dan dave portney because i'm thinking boxing match a boxing match yeah it says he's six too yeah he's playing what i'm not boxing and he's pretty fit he's just that macho guy he looks like a little guy he has a little guy energy i don't think so he definitely has that mask jock he's like the logan paul 20 years later dude i get little guy energy from dave courtney oh my god that's not sorry thank you for having me on the podcast no one else wants me on there he let me speak my piece about the demilios and addison ray i don't know if he let me or just want to find out he just gossips about like 16 year old girls i mean that's like i don't know unlike me i said what do we do well right yeah we do it but his co-host is like a [ __ ] 15 year old tick tucker 18. yeah i lower the age but whatever that's a big prison he just turned 18. what what am i talking about okay all right guys thanks for watching i guess we we're okay now and um stay tuned for the tickets we almost we almost didn't make it through this last fight so well i'm thank you and honestly thank you i was embarrassed by last episode i appreciate you guys for giving me it takes a lot to deal with someone like me and i appreciate you guys for being here still yeah i want to be a part of your family and your life oh my god freddie and make money and i'll keep a dog no you're not okay all right guys thanks for watching

Channel: H3 Podcast

Views: 2,737,146

Rating: 4.6889725 out of 5

Keywords: h3 podcast, h3h3 podcast, the h3 podcast, the h3h3 podcast, h3h3productions, h3h3, h3, ethan klein, hila klein, ethan and hila, ethan & hila, dr drew, doctor drew, trisha paytas, trisha, frenemies

Id: jByWaMDVF1w

Length: 125min 5sec (7505 seconds)

Published: Wed Dec 16 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/j_nne]

i laughed so hard at the end when trisha casually mentioned she just peed herself a little

[u/PankaPanka]

I love how they non-stop argued in front of the docs for over an hour and the moment the docs left they calmed down and were just chilling and laughing 😂

[u/Groovy_Doggo]

I’m having a hard time finding the line between accountability and the nature of mental illness. What Dr. Drew said makes sense if you want to make sure that things stay consistently stable with Trisha, but it’s something that’s insanely tough to do.

Like ‘just ignore it’ should in theory prevent conflict from escalating, but it definitely does not account for the well-being of the person on the other side of things.

[u/spidermom4]

Who else thinks Moses is the one with the higher score? He's manipulating and lying behind the scenes. Says one thing to trisha and another to Ethan and Hila.

[u/llama20]

The moment when Ethan was going on about how nothing Trisha said or did would make him abandon her was really sweet. You can see that it did mean a lot to her. I know people really turned on Trisha but if Ethan and Hila are willing to give her another chance and work things out then I’m all for it.

[u/BigStinkyBaIIs]

Why aren’t more people talking about Trisha literally peeing her pants at the end?!

[u/VicenteSox]

Zach is going to score higher than Trisha.

[u/NerveConductionPuppy]

The part around 40 mins when they were fighting about scores, I lost it when Ethan said like "well I have a 7, what's yours? 10 billion?" 😂

[u/analphagocytosis]

When Trisha found out she scored 30/40 on that test she turned to Ethan and laughed and said to him “I was five points away from winning” or something like that......Maybe it’s the bowl I just smoked but that was such a genuine moment where when the two of them heard something funny they automatically looked at eachother and laughed together. Idk that really showed that they are actually friends on some level