Half in the Worst: Release the Snyder Cut!

well here we are again we're back in the black void i think last time we were here was for uh rise of skywalker it's true it must mean that we're here for something very special another multi-million blockbuster action release disaster well the rise of skywalker was like a butchered mess will that be the next thing release the i guess there is no other cut does abram's cut yeah the theatrical cuts the abrams cut unfortunately the rise of skywalker was a butchered mess zack snyder's cut of the justice league is an unbutchered mess that's true that's true hello everyone and welcome to best of the worst [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] we just watched the four hour long uh the snyder cut i feel like we should get free t-shirts or something for watching the entire thing i survived the snyder cut and all i got was a stupid t-shirt jay we we shouldn't a regular human being should we we we are we are bread we are bred and and groomed for this kind of torture we've we've done almost 100 episodes of best of the worst where we spend six to eight hours non-stop watching terrible movies four hours yeah yeah it's not compared to a best of the worst shoot it felt a little longer for some reason uh not to say that the film was bad but i was gonna say i'm gonna talk about it i was gonna say the opposite and that for a four-hour movie about eighty percent of this did not feel like a slog right which is pretty good it is shockingly considerably better yeah for me it is because i just yesterday i watched the theatrical cut and i took copious notes on the the plotting and structure of the theatrical cut just for reference point for when we watched this so i knew exactly what was removed and added and all that kind of stuff and as editors ourselves it's kind of fun to watch it and try and pick apart yeah but but this compared to that that's its own thing and i get i get why it was cut down and i kind of get some of the thinking of it but then when you watch this it's an entirely different beast and it's much better and in its own way it's an entirely different tone oh yeah this movie i mean i think a lot of the problem with the old justice league is that it's obvious it has a different tone that's just kind of like splashed on top of it oh yeah it's i described the jaw sweden scenes as like visual duct tape where you can really tell uh there's we were talking about why we're watching this version the early scene when uh batman goes to visit aquaman in that little tavern and there if you put two shots of bruce wayne side by side you can see the zack snyder version and the joss whedon version because ben affleck looks different and of course his lines are sillier so there's a lot of that stuff can you at least point me to atlantis it's it's incredibly bizarre and amazing and shocking what happened with this movie and maybe we should start with the behind the scenes first because there are they re-shot scenes to add one line and to add jokes bad jokes bad jokes oh perhaps i should fly to paris with a handwritten note will you be bruce's teammate check yes or no and it's it's it's totally the uh i assume you did the research on the behind the scenes i broke down the theatrical version so we both had a job i watched doom patrol [Laughter] um but i assume it was this zack snyder here's four hours of my movie and the studio went oh my god how how do we sell this this is not like a marvel movie uh well it's it's awesome that's also the build up from the reception to like batman v superman which uh did okay box office wise but critically people were like this is a miserable nightmare and so they were already in pre-production for justice league so the studio panicked and said start to make it lighter tone lighter toned and at one point it was going to be two movies it was shrunk down to one they started filming it well no was it all this four hours of material shot already or no oh yeah no this was but it was it was going to be an even grander story that was going to be two justice league movies so so the snyder cut that we just watched is his original like what he shot when they made the movie originally okay um and then of course towards the end of production he had to leave because right the tragedy of you know what happened with his family and i think originally the idea was oh joss whedon's just going to come in to finish it up and they ended up reshooting tons of stuff uh and yeah when we watched this cut i was thinking like i'm picturing a studio executive looking at this four hour behemoth and being like we can't release this no he was thinking how can i turn this into marvel well that's a part of it too but i mean for like like this is so unwieldy and large and uh epic in scope whatever you want to call it it's not a commercially releasable film or it wasn't a couple years ago now thanks to the rise of streaming you can release something like this and it's not as big of a deal this very much felt like a peter jackson lord of the rings movie it felt like a epic sci-fi fantasy adventure i mean you could cut it in half have joss whedon come in and uh shoot a scene that you know adds a little cliffhanger and then continue on with part two i think they were worried that there wasn't enough legs to get a part two because of the reception of the earlier movie if you're gonna cut this into parts though there's not enough action in part one to make to sell that as a separate movie there's it doesn't have like i don't think it might not need it but if you're looking at this from your you're the studio executive it doesn't end in the the 40 minute long action cluster [ __ ] so you can't you can't break this up into two movies [Music] oh [Music] but it's to me the amount of work that went in to this four hour version of the film all those computer graphics all the shots just all the extra characters and scenes yeah and throwing that all in the trash and then to reshoot a scene where the flash talks about brunch like brunch like what is brunch you wait in line for an hour for essentially lunch i mean you you redo it to introduce the scene with martha and lois that is much worse than their original introductions into the film yeah well that's that's the most baffling thing after now having seen the four-hour snyder cut is it's a pretty good movie until it isn't at the end which we'll get to but it's pretty good and it is lighter than batman v superman yeah we're well on record to say man of steel and batman v superman are miserable nightmares it's more sensible as a story than batman versus superman yeah and it's it's it's not and lighter on the the over-the-top action the over-the-top action in this exercise miserable loud nightmarish action is is spread out and it's and all these like character building scenes are thrown in to to pad out the four hours to where that big action ending of this felt i don't know deserved or earned it fell apart by then for me and i was fine with it it did for me a little bit but it still sets up like everyone has something to do at the end the enemies is far superior than this than the than the theatrical okay i will grant you that everything is but that's the most shocking part is that this wasn't as miserable as the other zack snyder movies it does have a lighter tone barry allen is kind of annoying but he's still comedic is there comic relief he's the comic relief but there's other like you know bruce wayne's kind of charming and clever in this in a way isn't in the theatrical version it's just in general it's a pretty good movie that i think if if there was a way to trim it down to three hours it could have easily been the theatrical version without adding in stupid jokes and and terrible duct tape scenes like that first scene uh with batman on the roof and the theatrical cut where they're just like oh we gotta set up the mother boxes i don't know bugs blows up and there's cubes when he blows up yeah on the wall with his blood how do we trim out 20 minutes of the other version how do we get that condensed into one quick pointless scene yeah well shall i go right ahead refresh give the audience a refresher sure on the structure of the theatrical cut i think a lot of people watch the snyder cut and probably haven't seen justice league or probably won't go back and re-watch justice league and then watch this so here's your refresher it's two hours technically but really it's an hour and fifty minutes okay so the beginning batman lures an alien monster that have a demon a pair of demons that have been flying around the city by i guess being in the right place at the right time when a a cat burglar is is exiting the house terror demons are attracted to fear right so then batman shoots him with the space gun and the parademon blows up and uh his guts on the wall show three mother boxes imprinted on the wall for no reason at all correct uh and then they had then we have um we have a an opening montage uh everybody knows which feels like a very zack snydery thing but that wasn't in this version it wasn't in this version no it feels very much like the credit sequence to um watchman watchman yeah uh so then after the opening credits eight minutes in wonder woman stops a terrorist bomb plot which is uh contrary to her character arc in the theatrical version of you have been hiding in the shadows and not helping the world rate itself of crime or whatever that is not in this version not in the snyder cut that's in the theatrical so wonder woman showing up to stop bomb bomb threat uh doesn't make any sense superman was a beacon to the world why aren't you you're an inspiration diana you don't just save people make them see their better selves and yet i never heard of you until luther lured you out by stealing a picture of your dead boyfriend shut yourself down for a century so let's not talk about me moving on then 11 minutes in bruce wayne just walks up to find aquaman because of of the bug that he found in gotham that had the three boxes on the wall he's uh there's some kind of threat i guess the point was to make the theatrical cut more self-contained for people that maybe didn't see batman v superman because that's the movie where he has the vision of the post-apocalyptic future which kind of ties in with this version yes i think that's the reason uh he uh it's something with um lex luthor he sees a vision of um steppenwolf in the three boxes yeah and then batman has a dream and so he thinks something's going to happen i think there's an attack coming well i know batman has remembered batman has a vision of the flash yeah that happens he thinks it's a dream but i think the implication is that flash was actually coming back from time from some point in the future but in the snyder cut batman's logic for assembling a team is one to make up for the loss of superman because he feels bad that superman died and two lex luthor warned him about the coming of steppenwolf and or the threat of the mother boxes right so that's that in this it's because he blew up a bug on a wall in the old one when you say this that might be confusing in in in the theatrical yes 15 minutes in is when we're introduced to the flash uh he just shows up at prison to talk to his dad yeah um in the in the snyder cut it's an hour and 48 minutes which is kind of shocking yeah i think i'm exaggerating no no it was an hour it was an hour in it was like part three or something right it was a while 18 minutes intro of cyborg uh i think it's just him in his apartment his dad shows up comes in he's like i'm i'm the monster i'm cyborg man i have nothing to do with this movie uh 21 minutes amazon land oh the mother box has awoken uh theatrical cut no reason why snyder cut in the opening it's superman's death yell which sends out like shock waves and that awakens one of the mother boxes uh so steppenwolf just shows up i think of the theatrical cut it's just the bad guys were like okay good now that superman's dead we can invade yes even though there was like thousands of years before there was a superman where they could have been true um so then the the amazonian motherbox is awoken steppenwolf knows this and shows up and they have a very very shortened version of the battle in the theatrical version the snyder cut version is much longer oh yeah you can argue whether or not it's necessary that it goes on for so long but it's very very truncated and shortened it was fine none of the pacing of this was bothering me for like the first half yeah okay yeah i would agree uh so that lasts for approximately six minutes twenty at the 27 minute mark is when uh robin wright shoots the arrow i think she just says light the fire right and it just kind of cuts to diana prince working on restoring a marble statue at the louvre and then on the screen it shows the little like i don't know it's like the greek parthon or something's on fire i think i don't know it's an ancient thing i don't know what they say in the theatrical but on this one they say it's an amazonian shrine it's an ancient amazonian thing it's on fire that's that means something to her snyder cut we have approximately a 28 minute long scene where they open up the ceremonial case they take out the ceremonial arrow [Music] [Music] oh 29 minutes we're introduced to lois lane and what she's up to she is hanging out in the offices at uh the daily bugle or what is it called daily planet um and she's hanging out with martha kent this is pure joss wheat this is this is a totally different scene than that that's in the snyder cut uh we're introduced to pointless sexism in the workplace i don't know if that's commentary on anything that's joss whedon uh making fun of sexism because he's a feminist you're right hey elaine who is your source um the activist in that university what it's my source a male co-worker of lois lane comes in and says lois give me a source doll and she's like i don't give away my sources and then the male co-worker says come on give me his name come on you're not doing real stories anymore doll and she goes i'll maybe i'll think about it i'll i'll give you her name and then the male co-worker says oh it's a her who's the guy well i'll see if she'll take your call so it's a [ __ ] i bet she's got great dams and uh go back to the kitchen and cook me dinner and then he leaves and then martha ken says why don't you go back to work lois it's been so long since clark died and she says i'm fine doing puff peace stories about cat weddings i'm i'm perfectly happy doing fluff pieces about kitten grooming and scene it just ends martha says the bank foreclosed on the house okay bye i don't i shouldn't live there anymore it's a big house i'm shuffling around like an old ghost and see she says that literally as as crew members are like pushing her out of the set we're done we're done they're they start tearing down the set to build like a cw show uh oh 30 minutes in cyborg is browsing the news learns about batman for some reason it just cuts to him and he's like swiping like news stories and he sees pictures of batman oh i don't even remember that's that's so that cyborg has a reason to know anything about anything that's going on cyborg is the biggest casualty of the theatrical cut he has nothing to do in the movie uh 31 minutes in batman is met by diana prince she recognizes that uh there's there's a problem because the ancient fire has been lit and she shows up at the bat cave then in the snyder cut they do an extensive extensive backstory a great armada appeared in the sky lame ways to all who opposed it the leader of the invaders was a being called darkseid a name cursed and feared in every universe dark side was met in battle by earth's defenders the old gods men atlanteans before their descent into the sea amazons before their betrayal and enslavement and guardians from the stars it's really unfortunate when you give all your exposition to gal gadot not to hope for an alliance to fight apart [Laughter] i'm going to let sir ian mckellen read my exposition they're they're in a park yeah oh yeah they're just walking by a lake or something the snyder cut they are not in a park the the the joss whedon extra scenes they wrap it up real quick and they're just strolling through a park and cyborg is spying on them yes um so wonder woman does this long epic story and and she concludes with such harmony out of such horror it was truly an age of heroes and then batman says something tells me we're not getting the band back together something tells me we're not getting the band back together and then uh diana prince says all we have are left are the tribes of man batman says i wouldn't count on the tribes of man they act like the doomsday clock has a snooze button why would you ever write dialogue like that for batman well i wouldn't count on the tribes of men we tend to act like the doomsday clock has a snooze button batman has been around for [ __ ] 80 years and batman has had one good one-liner okay so we have 32 minutes exposition dump by wonder woman uh the three mother boxes will open a portal to hell world something like that right a bad guy with horns uh steppenwolf three mother boxes put them together open a portal to hell world snyder cut a little more complicated than that well there's an extra layer with the dark side character and all this like and the runes that are on the planet earth that uh well that's a revelation later anti-life equation we'll get into that um a minute later uh bruce recruits barry allen at his hideout seems pretty much the same except for the excessive dialogue about brunch yeah barry allen's explaining why he doesn't like people but he's like yeah i'll join why not you know uh a minute later wonder woman recruits cyborg does barry allen do anything heroic before the recruitment scene no in the theatrical cut okay that really really great scene in this version the introduction to flash the best scene in the movie that's a great scene it's fantastic [Music] is he going to save all those hot dogs though not in the snyder cut [Music] that would be in the brian singer cut [Laughter] [Music] oh maybe not used to humor in a zack snyder film and i even joked about i was like they're not gonna do this but he should do something with the hot dogs and he grabs a hot dog and feeds it to the puppies because he's a good guy it's wonderful i was not expecting that from zack snyder that was a super that was a superhero cover yeah he wasn't just doing it out of kindness it was well no i've just been here feeding the dogs this whole time what happened out there it's great it legitimately made me laugh out loud which is not something i was expecting from a zack snyder film well then right after that is when cyborg's father miles dyson is kidnapped right and then there's a bunch of like they say like nine or ten people from the lab got kidnapped and steppenwolf he snaps one person's neck and there's like there's extra dialogue in the theatrical version where people are going i have a family i have a family because why does everybody keep saying they have a family and it's like that's a really funny line why did you shoot that i think that's an attempt to make up for the fact because that's even though i for the most part like the snyder cut it still has the problem that his other movies do which is that zack snyder's not give a [ __ ] about normal people yeah he cares about the the the the superheroes and he treats them as like gods or or higher beans and he seems to have like a fetish for them and he doesn't give a [ __ ] about people right so the the joss whedon version was like oh you gotta have some humanity civilians very sad there's too many of them hence the introduction of the russian family which is horribly tactical there is a there is a poor russian family that live outside of a nuclear power plant that melted down and the whole area is toxic and they make some kind of comment like in the in the theatrical that oh that the area is dead it's a miserable who would want to live there oh people that are struggling and yeah and whatever and then you feel sympathy for this family that you don't know at all yeah we were introduced to them the little girl has like a can of bug spray because she sees the monster outside the window and later on in the film flash saves them and superman saves uh the entire building apartment building yeah and the joke is how pathetic flash is yes even though flash saves the day in the the snyder cut without him everyone would be dead yes let's let's we're talking about theatrical cut mic right still we're still talking about the theatrical cut hour two minutes the justice league hangs out in a bat cave they talk about the mother box kind of exposition this is one hour um bruce one hour six minutes bruce discusses with alfred why superman being back is important i think these are newly shot scenes because it's a different location it's like it's like that room with the suits of armor on the wall oh yeah and there's like lounge chairs oh yeah you can tell that's a reshot scene because ben affleck's looking a little bloated yeah and um and they talk about the sonic device the he keeps playing around with this like sound wave thing that affects the bug monsters that is completely not in the snyder cut well theatrical they also added in this whole thing with batman and wonder woman and tension in the team yes he's making fun of him he calls her an idiot for loving steve rogers which is right in this case yeah and then that's that's his his he's like poking her he's like he's like yeah you've been doing nothing for a hundred years crying over your boyfriend hiding when you should be out there being a hero like she was in the beginning of the movie you needed that scene you couldn't cut that out yeah it's so weird for all the stuff that you're trying to cut out of a movie to make it shorter and josh wayne just keeps adding in new stuff which doesn't make it i mean they still got it down to two hours but it's like does this new stuff add anything beneficial to the movie no they try to excuse superman coming back temporarily evil for no reason by having the character speculate that it might happen even though they would have no reason to believe yeah that might happen yeah that's true and the zack snyder cut it just happens and it's nonsensical there well it's like he doesn't remember who he is he's disoriented it just felt like an excuse to have a fight it is that's the most excessive scene in either cut of the movie because that was ultimately favorite part arthur we need to restrain him but story-wise it's the least important thing that happened story-wise bringing superman back is the least important thing to happen the focus should be we got to stop the steppenwolf and both both versions it takes a side track until we've got to resurrect superman now that's the most important thing like well i i think it's pretty well balanced in the snyder it's balanced in the snyder cut i agree with jay and and because here's here's i have the two versions in my head right the snyder cut when superman comes back it's it's a heroic entrance uh the steppenwolf is about to to hit uh cyborg with his axe and superman blocks it and then he beats up steppenwolf uh in in the theatrical version it's like oh god superman's here now uh nobody else has anything to do nobody else has anything to do and he could just kill steppenwolf instantly but uh they're like oh my god there's poor russian people that need our help superman and flash go help them so that you know so that steppenwolf can continue fighting us that's literally what happens and the snyder cut um they have the whole thing where the mother box takes over and and uh cyborg is unable to stop it the portal opens up and basically superman loses and and the flash is the one who has to save everybody by reversing time so really it's not like in the in the theatrical version it's it's superman shows up and it's like now nobody else is in he's just going to punch the bad guy to death like and this it's more balanced where they all are a team i agree it's that's fixed somewhat in the the snyder car yeah and it's set up better too because uh we we laughed at the motherbox scene in resurrecting superman [Music] the mother box is ready you have to charge it the moment it touches the fluid in the theatrical version it's like it has to touch the amniotic fluid at the precise moment that you zap it with electricity they treat it like this important thing or it's like if they don't have the timing right they can just do it again splashes okay throw it back up try it again um but in this uh the the flash is like a second too late but he goes so fast that he reverses time for just a second and does it which is setting up what he does later in the film so it it serves that and whether or not superman comes back is disoriented and mad i'm fine with that i i i have notoriously bad tastes in movies sometimes uh and so when superheroes fight each other and and not like nameless monster of the week i find that more interesting like when when the avengers end up like having to fight with one another for some reason i find it fun it's a fun scene in this version but it's also the least important scene in the film of course but then yeah at the end of this version the snyder cut the one who has the least amount to do is batman because he's just a guy so he's just kind of shooting demons [Music] rich meanwhile someone is getting mugged in gotham although he does he's useful at one point but he saves flash's life which is kind of important that's the one thing he can do but really he spends most of that end fight just not a part of things which is fine because everybody else has these superpowers that are super important to what they're trying to accomplish and he's just batman oh my god [Laughter] he cut his horn off jesus [ __ ] christ [Laughter] one hour 20 minutes this is our start of our third act which this is a more traditional structure this is the low point heroes aren't getting along don't do that we just got our asses handed to us and steppenwolf has got the third box steppenwolf now has all three boxes the superman resurrection went poorly uh there's a heart to heart with batman and wonder woman they talk about leadership superman reflects on being back alive gonna make things right etc etc i'm the idiot who left but i'm back now and i'm gonna make things right lois lane convinces superman not to be mad your mother got behind on the payments she never told anyone i don't understand you better cover up you look terrible you should get to the gym more often now superman's line oh yeah they have a touching scene at the uh the kent farm what was it like coming back what was a lois lane ass superman what was it like coming back and superman says itchy itchy how much money did they spend for for joss whedon and all of those reshoots i want to say it was in the 100 million ish range okay so a hundred-ish million for for these jokes yeah i have a few others and then let's let's read the 100 million dollar jokes okay so when when the justice league shows up to confront evil superman uh the flash says in an 80-yard line should we bow or show our bellies oh no should we bow or sh or show our bellies 10 million aquaman to batman you're out of your mind batman responds i'm not the one that brought a pitchfork oh they had to go back to that location they had to get all those extras back that's the most baffling 20 million okay 20 million uh superman says to batman i knew you didn't bring me back because you like me well i knew you didn't bring me back because you liked me batman awkwardly responds i don't not i don't eight point seven million dollars superman on ripping apart the boxes uh uh uh asks cyborg any blowback cyborg says big time but i think we could take it superman says good cause i really like being alive any blowback big time but i think we could take it good cause i really like being alive now they already had henry cavill and cyborg back for the reshoots but there was some cgi involved they had to take out the mustache 5.9 million dollars it's not over yet rich the blowback happens the mother boxes are ripped apart superman lands on the ground and says i take it back i want to die [Laughter] man my toes hurt i don't even understand the physics of how my toes hurt children oh seven million these aren't jokes by the way these are the actual lines from the theatrical guy we need more we need more humor in this dark depressing post-apocalyptic nightmare horror film see that's the thing is especially now seeing the snyder cut it's not that dower it's not batman superman it would have been i think this would have gone over pretty well theatrically if you could just shorten that run time you might have to do a couple of reshoots to just condense some things and connect some scenes but the amount of [ __ ] so they spend all that money for the joss whedon stuff and then that movie comes out and doesn't do great so then they spend another 70 million for zack snyder to finish this version which was the original version to begin with it's just like mind-boggling the waste of money i kind of suspect they they added some [ __ ] into the the snyder version that they just spent an extra 70 million dollars on just just to tease some more like would you like some more of this well from what i what i understand to finish this version zack snyder did not he didn't get paid he wanted creative control to finish this the way he wanted to okay and so i guess we'll talk about spoilers here we'll talk about the end of the movie which is completely tacked on they shot it a few months ago ben affleck looks completely different than he does in the rest of the movie so they so the the last like 10 15 minutes of this movie feels like self-indulgent excessive pointless tiresome uh zack snyder like wankery more adjectives i'm trying to do it justice the so trying to do a league because yeah the last it it's a complete wet fart of an ending and it really deflates a lot of goodwill that the movie is built up yeah yeah anything post like there's that there's a heroic shot where they're all standing on top of the cut to credits yeah right there and yeah there's this it's a bizarre futuristic dream sequence where batman is in a post-apocalyptic world with death stroke amber turd yeah uh the the flash who has looks like he's like an iron different actor it's like a different actor or a very brief cgi face of of the barry allen actor whatever his name is uh as ezra miller yeah and um and then they keep saying she's dead are they talking about wonder woman i don't know they're talking about lois lois oh okay oh lois is the key dog because superman shows up at the end of that to kill everybody he's mad and then there's spaceships and then so it's like and then of course jared leto's joker the joker's there as a prisoner he has information they need it's all so completely disconnected from the rest of the movie so clearly tacked on like if it was a post credit scene whatever fine but actually putting it as the ending of this movie just leaves you like i think we all just had like baffled looks on her faces for the entire ending maybe in a way that smelly old flounder is right because how many can die in your arms before you ground them to death there's like three post-credit scenes there's the original one uh deathstroke and uh lex luthor on the yacht and there's the batman dream sequence and then there's 2021 ben affleck or whatever 2020 ben affleck in his glass house wake up cancer he visibly looks five to six years older yeah and he looks very tired he looks like he just got broken up with and then dropped his dunkin donuts [Laughter] leave the man alone he has trouble picking up his dunkin donuts order we all have bad days um he looks like he doesn't want to be there he looks tired he doesn't want to be the batman anymore and now it's robert pattinson's job yeah man hunter character named martian manhunter shows up can i help you uh which rich recognized but it completely confused you too well yeah he shows up earlier the second time he shows up the first time he shows up is really confusing it's after a very nice scene between mach hence and lois lane and it's the snyder cuts version of that awful daily planet scene but it's actually like dramatic it's pretty good and amy adams is is a great actor and she does good you kind of forget that superman sucks and man of steel you're like oh she likes superman basically martha kent shows up to lois lane's apartment they have this whole scene then martha kent walks out of lois lane's apartment and turns into the martian man hunter it was so weird oh my god what's that what what oh is she a proto-demon or whatever uh martian man hunter is that who that is what does this mean rich what's happening is that i am very confused and it just kind of ruined that whole wonderful scene that those two characters just had yeah i mean the emotions of lois lane are still legitimate yeah yeah it's weird to have martha kent turned into a martian manhunter man chop his dick off [Laughter] well that's the the the i don't know third plot the bigger biggest plot is that dark side and he wanted he goes around with the mother boxes conquering planets turning them into his own planet a copy of but his ultimate goal is to find the equation the anti-life equation which is basically like a rune magical runes it's it's it's a mcguffin that will i guess destroy all lives so he can recreate the universe in his own image something big and apocalyptic and bad but but uh darks steppenwolf is told by the mother boxes that the rune is on earth and then martian manhunter knows this somehow and he wants to get involved and says the real fight is coming next i'm sure you know darkseid is not finished with earth the anti-life equation is here somewhere we have to find it before he does but watch out for lex luthor he's he's splatting the diamond heist and just get jesse eisenberg out of the film like you can't go back after after uh apocalypse endings yeah you start with that for [ __ ] sake yeah well i mean that's i mean we've talked about this plenty of times but that was the problem with this dc cinematic universe to begin with is that they rushed into too much of this [ __ ] they didn't have a movie to establish each character but when you see this version the snyder cut even though it's technically one movie it does a good job of spending time on all these characters that we know now because we've seen the theatrical cut of justice league but if you look at this if you look at this as its own thing everybody gets plenty to do you understand all their motivations you like them cyborg is pretty good in this he's nothing in the theatrical cut i guess the real question is what what what what do you get out of this what what what are we getting out of this zack snyder fans are getting their wet dream out of this because i'll say that if you've been one of those people that have been like hashtag release the snyder cut for years oh yeah one you're a little too aggressive about it but you got what you wanted and i can't imagine them not liking this they're they're gonna be super [ __ ] smug about it that's true i'm sure they're all good see you i told you see i told you oh yeah it's like well yeah it's better but i'm still i'm still it's still not my favorite thing yeah but that's the same thing with me it's like i i can see and i find the behind-the-scenes stuff much more fascinating i watch this and i'm like oh my god there's like you're just picturing the decision making and all the work gone into the graphics and then just someone going oh that we just threw that out yeah you worked on that for six months that one shot of of the this guy and all the armor on the bad guy and now they changed his look it's just all the [ __ ] work that was just thrown in the trash and changed around and and it's just like ah it boggles the mind and the amount of money spent the the time wasted all these like like spineless studio executives going like a movie that was fine to begin with i enjoyed this snyder cut way more because it took its time and uh and the first version it's like i don't why why should i care about this guy with horns they got to stop the guy because he wants to take over the earth yeah and then that it's just like i don't care and then if you don't care about your heroes or you don't like them and they're rushed then their goal of stopping a guy with horns from opening a portal is pointless but this fleshed out the heroes more and and the bad guy he had more scenes too that's not oh yeah i think so yeah he he not just more scenes but yeah he had more motivation he had an interesting kid a napoleonic company yeah exactly he was trying to to please his boss basically there was something there was something there was something there it's he's not thanos no he's not as interesting as thanos but there's something there and i think that's for me i i liked a lot it all the parts worked better than it did as a whole like there's lots of really wonderful scenes we talked about that flash scene which was great that was the best seat of the movie uh it reminded me of like the earlier zack snyder stuff where he had like in like watchmen or something with these really visual sequences and i don't remember a lot of that from man of steel or batman v superman it just felt like a bunch of like noise it's just a bunch of nonsense that last hour of man of steel is just a [ __ ] nightmare right and that's what that's what has given zack snyder a bad vibe yeah for us oh yeah i haven't liked any of his movies uh well the dc movies until this one he's done other good movies but wonder woman sequences this is like one of the best action scenes he's ever done the the bomb oh yeah the expanded bomb sequence uh until the excessive collateral damage at the end of this except for that finale which is very zack snyder that's a lot of collateral damage to stop one guy couldn't she just punch him like she punched the other guys i mean she's faster than bullets just pushed him out the window yeah just block him on the head oh apparently he killed him just break his arms you got to blow out the entire front of the building look at that look at that priceless piece of architecture she did more damage than the bomb but yeah i mean but yeah so all these wonderful scenes and good characters and they all given time to develop but at the end of the day the plot isn't that different from the theatrical and it's just big monster man wants to get things to destroy earth but but the progression of the events at the end made more sense oh yeah it did it didn't seem as like confusing and like why is this happening like when superman returns and the the mother boxes and and the flash doing his circle of energy and all those like working components it didn't seem like as just chaotic and pointless as it did in the theatrical version it still it gets pretty excessive at the end it turns into noisy punch fest but it was a four hour long movie i'm okay with an excessive noisy punch vest at the end because it has lots of slower moments that it does it does build us to that reward of action at the end i think yeah i liked a lot of scenes and character stuff i just didn't give a [ __ ] about the overall plot and that's the biggest weakness of the movie and while he's better in this version i still don't like steppenwolf that much as a villain exactly my thoughts too is he's not an interesting villain um that's why i like the part where they fight superman that should have been the whole movie well that was a story line in the comics right wasn't there bad superman for a while i didn't know they definitely did that one of the cartoons yes but like else alternate universes they've done [ __ ] i guess anything you can think of they've probably done at some point they've had over 50 ape characters fluent in sign language gorilla sign language can we take a moment to talk about the dc ape characters rich can you name them all go oh god i can name a few of them though um gorilla grodd the the ultra human knight um titano who's a kryptonite who's a gorilla with a kryptonite vision he shoots kryptonite rays out of his eyes there's gleek from the super friends and there is uh detective chimp who is a hyper intelligent immortal chimp that drank from the fountain of life and he can communicate with any animal and he has a detective business oh and then superman has people the super monkey beepo is just the perfect name for a superhero monkey an interesting note though in the cyborg flashbacks when he's playing football for oh yeah gotham city community college or something whatever it is he's playing against the the badgers the wisconsin logo on their helmet go badgers and i was like oh hey this isn't that the badgers and and i looked it up and zack snyder uh hails from green bay wisconsin had no idea the home of the green bay packers zack snyder originally said that he wanted gotham to instead of shooting in chicago he wanted to shoot it in green bay but then they realized that green bay was just lambeau field and about 150 bars there's not even any houses everybody just lives in the bars it just doesn't look like gotham zach but uh to to maybe help quell some confusion let's talk about uh the aspect ratio oh yeah because you can explain this jay it says at the beginning it's like this is in four by three to maintain the director's vision even though i don't think when he shot the movie originally it was meant to be in this aspect ratio at some point again like the ending where it's just like excessive uh director uh self-indulgence he just decided to make it 4x3 apparently because that's the full scope of an imax aspect ratio an imac screen a 70 millimeter imax film frame is in four by three well the the screen for an imax whatever i don't know but i've i've seen an imax movie and it's in scope yeah i know the like christopher nolan imac sequences yeah are equivalent to a tv 16x9 right so if you watch like dark knight it goes back and forth in aspect ratios yes right so i i don't know a lot about imax as far as like what the maximum screen size is but it's apparently this so a movie that was made to be primarily shown on televisions he decided to make it four by three imax aspect ratio release the 16x9 cut i don't want to see those black bars well it will be confusing for a lot of people because they expect their big widescreen tvs to be full with justice league goodness and it looks like on the family there are still people that don't understand the the different aspect ratios and letterbox and but but but why did they cut part of the movie off well yeah exactly still the thing the the you know and it's so okay so did he shoot the whole movie in imax with imax film i don't think so okay so but but so then like the parts that he shot presumably in scope format or or um anamorphic he cropped then to fit the ratio of what was his his uh uh imax frame i couldn't tell you because i noticed some of the shots excessive headroom extra headroom and so i'm visualizing it in my head yeah where if it was reframed and you know of course imax you have a lot of image uh information to reframe it even up as 4k or you know theatrical presentation you can reframe it and not lose quality right um so i'm picturing some of the shots and i'm seeing like a little extra space above superman's head and looks like you're reframing it in your mind i'm reframing in my mind and i'm trying to go back and of course right now we're gonna show shots from the theatrical cut blu-ray and the snyder cut um and and compare and contrast and see what was reframed and how much if there's information on the sides that just that's just another like thing to throw in this [ __ ] bucket of confusion is the format yeah apparently he wanted to be in black and white too now that's that is pretentious because he's over the top yeah yeah it's zack cider zeck snyder's salinas but if but while you're uh doing side by sides of the theatrical for this version you have to point out the color grading too which is i think when when joss whedon came in in the editing bay they just had a giant button a giant knob that said saturation and he just went yeah it almost looks like like the raw camera image with without any like color correction or oh for this version yeah yeah he just likes that desaturated it just looks flat like nothing pops um i think i could probably speak for all of us we liked the four-hour version better than the theatrical cut uh we thought it was good i would even break it down further i'd say i kind of loved the first half okay and the second half was like okay yeah i i think so and then um i think we're all in agreement that anything past the official end of the movie is dog [ __ ] yeah and and you should not watch that i don't know though at the hero shot where they're all lined up the line between movie and tv show has just been blurred a little bit further i think with this because they weren't smart enough to say part one yeah part two part six and that's what that's why this is a like a movie that can couldn't have existed a few years ago when the actual justice league theatrical movie came out because now you have the rise of all these streaming services and that's a big part the whole reason that this was finally made that and i think the pandemic which i don't know if people talk about that but it's like last year when all production shuts down and all the studios are panicking about what to do and they're like oh we've got this almost completely finished movie on a shelf just taking up hard drive space i guess we could finish this now and have content for our streaming service and yeah it's beneficial to everyone especially zack snyder who i'm sure i don't i from what i read he never saw the theatrical cut he didn't christopher nolan and his wife uh deborah snyder they watched it and they told him you could never see this oh wow and so he never saw it huh yeah interesting so this is sort of vindication for him because he got a raw deal from the studio regardless of how you feel about him as a director or his movies like he got pretty [ __ ] over right uh the studio really took advantage of the tragedy that happened in his life to to [ __ ] with the entire movie is that what like precipitated it yeah like that he just said i'm out originally well he walked away from it because he was dealing with this and he already knew joss whedon was going to be kind of finishing it but i think once he walked away they they were like okay let's retool this whole thing and just completely [ __ ] it up you feel bad for somebody like when a studio takes takes something like where they have a big vision yeah and just like cuts it up and shits all over it it's happened in the past but you usually don't ever see the original result of it right the closest i can think of is like the uh the exorcist the prequel where uh paul schrader made his version and then the studio said this is too boring so they re-shot like 90 of it with reddy harlan is the director and that's the version that got released and then a year later they put out the paul schrader version or the thing the the remake the read the prequel yeah they read it all the visual effects and that's never been seen the original version of that was all the practical effects wasn't there something with the josh trank fantastic four where that was like a big cut up that was yeah there's a bunch of reshoots you can see bad samurai cop wigs in parts of the movie yeah but that's another one like i don't know are we ever going to see his original version of that solo oh yeah that's a big one that's what i want to see i'd be curious that that yeah i think that was a trending thing released the solo lord miller yeah yeah they had the original one so but did they shoot an original film and then ron howard came in or did i think they fired them yeah they fired him during production but they had shot for like five six weeks something like that it was it wasn't a whole movie but it was a lot right right so there's that would be something interesting to see because they were making it too goofy i guess they were yeah you you hired the guys that did the lego movie and the 21 jump street movies and then you're surprised they made a comedy i don't know yeah yeah uh clueless studio execs is usually the problem [Laughter] because everyone's everyone's now like i saw joss whedon was trending on twitter where people were like uh he should be ashamed of what he did to the theatrical cut and it's like it was the studio's decision he came in and he did what he was supposed to which is add more jokes and shorten it so i i mean his jokes were terrible he got he could be blamed for that yeah i mean the the the theatrical version is condensed and it is structured and it is a movie you know what i mean it's it's it's bad it didn't seem as bad until seeing the snyder cut and comparing it yeah and then you're like whoa why would they cut this why would they take this out why would they add this yeah it's just it's it gives you a headache and it's very hard to process all of this right now there's so much to think about after watching that four hour cut does this spark is the is the zack snyder dc universe no longer dead has it just come back from the grave it all comes down to money if this makes a shitload of money for hbo max then maybe there's a future for this stuff but this might just be a a curiosity and then this will be it who knows i i enjoyed the film as long as it was i would have preferred to watch it in chunks it is set up so you can watch it in chunks that's that's magic there rich i love seeing that part four come up we took our snack breaks we had to stop we had to take our heart medicine we had to uh walk walk the gout out of our knees oh i got a stretch did my taxes did his taxes yeah came back start up part five yeah it is great breaking it up like that so that's that's what i'd say so if you're gonna watch it break it up break it out and why not unless you have a really comfy couch and a really big bladder [Music] it's streaming you can watch this on the toilet you bring the tablet with you into the bathroom oh yeah you're right rich isn't the future amazing yeah you can watch it on the bus with your earbuds you know get that true imax experience [Laughter] watch it on your giant tablet in 4x3 while riding the bus my film was meant to be seen on a seven inch screen that's why i shot it on a format that handles 8k worth of information what has happened to the world zack snyder and david lynch are commiserating right now about people watching their movies on their phone on the bus those [ __ ] now if you're playing the movie on a telephone you will never in a trillion years experience the film you'll think you have experienced it but you'll be cheated it's just such a sadness that you think you've seen a film on your [ __ ] telephone get real i'm sorry you got such a raw deal zack thanks for watching

Channel: RedLetterMedia

Views: 1,652,363

Rating: 4.8772402 out of 5

Keywords: redlettermedia, red letter media, red, letter, media, plinkett, half in the bag, mike stoklasa, jay bauman, rich evans

Id: vNp3Q0AfXRg

Length: 61min 48sec (3708 seconds)

Published: Mon Mar 22 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/CollumMcJingleballs]

The Ben Affleck Dunkin Donuts picture is one of the best pictures of 2021

[u/Eric_Something]

About time they got a Rich Evans specific camera.

Now all they need is to add 2 or 3 more so whenever those other 2 guys talk, all we'll see is Rich Evans.

[u/Ricky_Mourke]

I'm so glad they mentioned the remake/sequel to The Thing. Of all the unreleased original cuts out there, I'd kill to see the version the studio didn't fuck up with crap CGI.

[u/wreckage88]

I watched it two days ago and I now completely understand Ray Fisher's anger towards the studio for the theatrical cut. In the Synder Cut he's essentially the main fucking character and in the original he's BARELY in it.

[u/Dwade111]

Cyborg and Flash are the biggest winners with this cut by far

[u/Bo-Katan]

I didn't expect them to like Flash introduction but they loved it

[u/RadiantViper]

30 mins in and this is mostly just them shitting on the Whedon version lol. Rich Evans putting a specific cost to every single "Whedon joke" is hilarious.

[u/Im_Not_Daredevil]

Gal Gadot's performance during that exposition voiceover is terrible.

[u/ScionN7]

For the life of me I can't figure out why Whedon cut out The Flash's big scene during the climax, and replaced it with him taking 5 minutes to run to a Russian family. It's one example of many, but considering in the Snyder Cut that sequence was one of the coolest and most beautiful sequences I've ever seen in a comic movie, I can't imagine why Whedon thought it could be done better.