One of the Best Sets from Hidden Cup 4 Qualifier (Villese vs Classicpro)

in the yellow we have uh classic pro classic pro from ukraine playing as the chinese to open up this series and then in the blue we have les ivalez is playing as the mayans this is very similar to what we've seen sometimes in openings in arabia in the sets we see a lot of aztecs if they're not banned mayans chinese francs we have some variety but these are the sieves that were really good on arabia which is just an open lands map whereas you might have other civilizations thrive on more hybrid situations if classic pro makes it past velez who does he face against chat i forget forget who's on the other side of that bracket in round two best of five here best of five elsewhere if you look at the bracket it will spoil results i don't want to know results okay it'd be the winner between bruh and land interesting and that happens on monday i believe that'd be crazy but we have to pay attention to player tendencies everything's important from the sieves to the strategy to the colors so if classic pro beats velez and then beats whoever's next and makes it into the top 16 and then picks yellow or anyone picks yellow it's either viper or classic pro confirmed this is such a weird situation to be in like the first series of hidden cup four it's like uh i don't know pope leo against king bayla and one player chooses yellow and we can't just be like viper it's also classic bro so yeah viper already in the main event one of the top eight from the previous hidden cup era already in the top eight you have viper hera dogal tattoo doubt mbl yo and leary those eight names the top eight from hidden cup three which i don't really think people could have any massive complaints about right with random seating and bracket being kind of unpredictable if it was viper leery round one for example someone wins there and then one of those players would have to qualify nice patience there from classic pro pushing in all this food underneath the tc yeah that top eight seems pretty solid i know doubt was happy to not have to qualify for once that's been giving me crap for years about having to qualify for tournaments i basically told them then you know make it to the second round hidden cup won he lost in the first round hidden cup two shoot i forget what happened with doubt in hidden cup two hidden cup two i think he also lost in the first round wait in cup one he lost to miguel first round hidden cup two he lost to uh mbl first round and then hidden cup three i forg i think uh i think he beat fire and then he ended up losing to hera 3-2 i there's been a lot of sets a lot of tournaments so what's funny is in hidden cup three and we'll be doing this for hidden cup four as well when a player finishes their games they of course have to report the score to the admin but then they also have to tell the admin who they think they were playing and i'll have videos on this but in hidden cup 3 i think 50 of the time the players were correct but 50 of the time they were not um it was funny in one semi-final both players guessed they were facing hera but neither of them were eras so that was pretty cool harry got guests a lot but anyways i i'm kind of excited for this year's i think it's going to be tougher to guess but doubt beat fire 3-0 of course didn't know it was fire but then said to robo i think i just beat viper like such a troll man like doubt would actually like doubt actually believed that he had just three of the viper he said viper so at the end if you looked at the reveal and many of you might not forget this or maybe you weren't there we're like wait a second like that one player said they beat viper 3-0 and dave's like that has to be doubt and it was so it's funny stuff right what do you think of how open velez's map is i mean he's not walling it whereas classic pro is walling a lot interesting how he's gone for small walls around his berries and how he's walling the rest elsewhere i mean he doesn't want to wall too much he's on his way to feudal he'll probably make up barracks and wants to get scouts out les is going to go for minute arms so he just wants to be safe and whoa holy deer man there's not a single deer safe on this freaking map it feels like velez even came home to push in all that food hmm zoff it's not it's not really how that works but um like there's there's other aspects to it what you're saying is incorrect there's we do a couple different things i mean you can only do so much to make sure players don't know various things but your assumption there i won't get into it is incorrect here's valez of man at arms with double bit axe so all right so he's gonna he's gonna pressure but he's not pressuring the berry side shut it he's not really able to pressure the wood lines assuming classic pro gets the walls down and we're gonna see scouts coming after classic pro the classic pro i'm sure is feeling pretty good about this just wants to finish that house that's risky maybe just build another house you want to do that i guess you do if you're classic pro impressive patience there under pressure two scouts out and an early archery range for classic pro so the archer range timing is always an interesting thing in these situations because you really want to have farms when you're going for scouts he's going for the archery range right now and that's three farms that cannot be built free scout's out velez may be waiting for a spearman you see the spearman coming out across the map right now good work there and velez back at home is also walling so velez just buying time right now to wall up and stay safe and then here come the scouts the scouts toying with the idea of fighting but now the spearmint's here this is good overall age of empires from both i'll have an archer and then a few skirmishers out for classic pro but for now classic pro needs to have these walls down um yeah gorg we have the seating on the scoreboards in between games uh but unfortunately with the way capture age operates right now we're not able to have that so for the main event of hidden cup we're going to have some changes i can't really talk about it but there will be some different things for the way that the game is presented in game but yeah i cannot have i suppose i could just put like the number right behind the name but that would be rather confusing but classic pro is seed 36 valesa seed four and remember that classic pro had to beat zoupie who is velez's finnish teammate both players having a hill here classic pro looking strong so far it might need to back away until a few more range students come in here villagers are on gold but not really enough to go for archers just yet do you want to go archers do you want to go skirms this is awkward i think ideally you'd have archers ideally you'd have archers because uh if eagles start coming out in the mid game at least archers can contribute there whereas skirmishers really can so classic pro going to defend with houses and thinks i can't let velez wall up and here come the scouts velez realizing that the scouts aren't there with excellent game sense it's going to wall blizz could get this oh classic pros in classic pro is in that is unfortunate now i think the scouts could have also come in on this side but now you've got six scouts almost all on full hp coming in here and your villagers are idle and you're not able to do any damage to classic pro what a great job from classic pro to defend from the early pressure and then go out at the proper time really finding reward for this now if both players had strong attacks it's just classic pro defended from his and velez wasn't able to do so classic pro hasn't killed many villagers though which is interesting to note les housed temporarily there that farmer is really he's going to ask to go to a new farm i'm sure and the scouts what what why but classic bye basic pro may be worried just leaves which can lead to some excellent map control but i have to question that i feel like there's so much potential as we see uh was that in archer yep and archer go down i feel like there was so much potential for a few more vill picks there and just to buy time and again guys look what's going to result from the scouts coming back if the scouts come back all of this gets cleared up and there's a few archers in there and then classic pro will have skirms and then he'll be knocking on the door blez really won't be able to get any military out he won't be able to threaten classic pro so maybe classic pro was thinking if i get fill snipes that's one thing but if i control the game that's another still has five scouts remaining and good micro though many of them are weak and i think velez is going to go for a sneaky approach right now i see these archers and spearman coming forward i'm actually rather surprised he's not going to sneak because there's there's range students out here for classic pro i thought that he was going to run down here to the south and loop around now classic pro knocking on the door and i'm looking at the food count food count better for classic pro i think it will rise for velez and a barracks right there for velez that very forward gold maybe velez will even have to consider a tower soon if the pressure gets worse hmm the number above idol villagers on the overlay is a number that's already elsewhere on the overlay that is the value of the military so honestly just like cover this spot on your screens because that's confusing for people and just look down here that's the value of the military so value number is the the cost of military units and then the the number below that on the bottom right side is the percentage of gold units classic pro clicks up classic pro looking good i'd say now i wonder what classic pro will commit towards because it's really tough to know if mayans are going to go for archers or if they're going to mix in eagles too and that's why velez made that barracks in the back les is thinking more about mixing in eagles right now i think velez has military count which translates better into late game or not late game but you know mid game you have one weak archer and a few skirms and then a bunch of weak scalps this doesn't really get upgraded at least i don't think so maybe the skirms will be upgraded but again as we stated if you end up going for the skirms then there could be some eagles out there here comes velez to hit the woodline classic pro just shoring up walls at home but the wood lines rangeable probably needs to delete the house and run this way yep because you don't want to run this way because you'll lose your bills to archers as you can see here awkward as well for velez that one archer makes it a bit more awkward for him to hold and also the positioning is there a hole there between the house and the there's a tile gap there between the house and the mill the scouts could still get kills and there we go velez notices but velez also pressuring he's just going to be later to the castle age crossbow's the choice for classic bro interesting choice good start to this fight this is even before the castle age upgrades come in and classic pro has the lead classic pro looking really good honestly the defense from the man of arms spearman was great valez did everything he could have done perfectly there getting every eco upgrade you could you would need right now normally skip the farm one uh university coming up for ballistics he's he's maintaining some control and annoyance in velez and here he comes you guys are saying the side is open what side are you talking about here oh right there that's funny i assumed it would be closed and so did classic pro and it makes sense to assume it too because players are never going to leave that type of a gap there well again the scouts are very weak so it's not like they would get many kills but it could have been useful with the ranged units less forced to tower the deer goes down way to go classic bro ballistics on the way we'll have armor and attack upgrades full armor full attack from the blacksmith and ballistics on the way already sick shut it but is that enough against eagle warrior mayans are so versatile they're able to go for the archers and they're one of the best archers but they also could go for eagles in the mid game and i feel like there's a risk where classic pro is probably going to start adding tc's at home thinking he's ahead which is correct in many ways but now he's going to see these eagles and be worried about this he kills one eagle he's got to back away and there's also enough range units there for velez where he'll be comfortable taking this fight ballistics or no ballistics still i think velez is going to have the numbers it's just what value can classic pro get from this fight his micro is impeccable though is mike honestly really really good if i wanted to nitpick over one thing it's that he's floating res and that he didn't add tc's yet whereas like a top 10 player would have the tc's up and now he had the tc's but like that was really well played i now see him getting scale barting and he's thinking of mixing in knights i suppose ecobalance is going to be tough for this because he definitely was planning on going for um for crossbowman with all those upgrades now he wants to add a second stable he's got 12 on food i don't think he really has enough to justify a second stable but chinese they're able to do a lot and big lead now for classic pro with bill's incoming because two tc's three tc's and he also knows that velez has had to make a tower but it looks like velez either mined the stone oh yeah okay velez mine's the stone to get the second town center it's not bad siege workshop in the middle for valez looking to pressure les behind the wood line with some crossbowmen not get bodkin yet but could good damage there uh knight's coming out though for classic pro i think he could take an engagement here he's gonna take an engagement here this won't be very good for velez the crossbowmen are not only going to be less accurate because of the lack of um ballistics but he also didn't have bodkin in that fight so classic bro probably not happy to be this far on the back foot but happy with some of these fights crazy man fiesta i will not be streaming hidden cuff 4 anywhere other than twitch i think twitch recently made an update where if you have adblock even installed on your browser it detects it and there's been an issue the last few days so that's all i can say about that obviously it's a recent thing so what results from that i'm not sure but i've been having some people in chat mentioning that they're getting some some issues and i can only i as far as i know it's because twitch updated something where if you have an ad blocker installed it makes it difficult to watch um that said i yeah i think that if there are issues like normally if there's an issue with a platform those issues tend to sort out after a little while that or i guess if you're someone who wants to block ads then you might end up finding another way to block ads in a few days so people are so reactionary i maybe i'm biased as a twitch partner but people are so reactionary and twitch's twitch has come so far which is so good in so many ways not that i you know love ads or anything but i also understand their perspective hey crossbowman patrolling forward that's a lot of eagles i think the knight crossed before should be better here and look how classic crow will micro down the siege units oh it will he though oh that magnetal is very weak goes down now the crossbowmen are getting so many hits in and look at classic bro he'll also peel off a few crossbowmen to try and take out the monk should take out the monk i think just needs to stop here if he takes this fight stop let him fight oh yeah kill everything 69 villagers for 61 villagers and the eagles are just not cutting it right now the eagles aren't cutting it the economy is stronger for classic pro very impressed with classic pro this is the 36 seed seed 36 against seed four plastic pro has already killed zoopy 3-0 soupy i think with c22 or something i forget exactly but zoopy a great player from finland as well and plastic pro pushing out across the map dave and i for years we've been casting age been talking about how tough it is to kill mayans though so i think classic pro should continue to be aggressive and he's doing that right now it's just his unit control his micro everything seems to be very good i'm probably going to jinx him here but overall i've just been ver i've been impressed man with how good he's been playing look at this clear up the movement of the knights there the grouping of the knights that's another monk that goes down velez is completely overwhelmed by this player this is sick and he could never send out the magnel velez because classic pro continues to reinforce his knights right next to the siege workshop this is disgustingly good 37 on food 24 on gold i've never seen classic pro play this good granted when he beat valez before that was impressive but that was in that was not standard settings so that was in a qualifier for an event that where you start in feudal age so this is going to be a treat of a series then i see chain barding on the way for classic pro velez does have a lot of gold control right now he's got this gold secured but i actually i say a lot he's got to secure this long term i expect the siege workshop to just go down and les kind of a struggle to know what to do eagle pikeman's normally good against knights there's not that many crossbowmen out there so maybe he can start thinking about going into pikeman but you've got best of both worlds for classic pro with this composition the magnel goes down as does the siege workshop here comes velez i think he was hoping to catch out the crossbowman and oh not a good spot to be in and even if he gets a conversion here which he does les runs back with his tail between his legs back to his base back to his gold an area where classic pro could just dominate and look at the amount on stone now for classic pro he's probably thinking about a castle the knights have chain barding armor the crossbowman had ballistics the less is getting wrecked he's getting the attack upgrade for eagles but he doesn't have eagles anymore i can never be speechless as a caster but the way that classic pro has showed up here has made me close to it mentally speechless i'm thoughtless well who am i kidding thoughtless is is just how i tend to live my life i'm not the smartest um siege workshop now for classic pro as he'll continue to pressure i think he should continue to make nights i don't think there's any reason to not do so i think the big thing and probably the only way that he could throw this game now is if he doesn't pressure golds his mind's without gold or nothing you look at what he scouted he knows there's a gold over here and he knows there's a gold over here so as he runs into the back of alez's eco to raid that's good just has to keep an eye on those golds raiding on the front now he's raiding everywhere bringing the crossbone over to the woodline and the gold 103 villagers versus 80. knight's heading over to the gold in the farms now knight's back in on the front there's nights in five different areas of the map right now blez has had one and a half hours of idle time with his villagers his villagers have not been able to go to work sick man and velez has just clicked pikeman but this is too little too late what a player look at this economy look at the villagers coming forward a get out of my game castle could be coming i think you place it here you're already controlling this area but maybe you place it here because it's it's easier and then you place the next one over there but i think valez is just gonna tap out it will not be a second castle it won't be needed because he can't do anything now yeah he cannot deny this castle there's too many knights there's too many villagers building the castle too how many is that like 20 some yeah 20 exactly blez is gonna send villagers over here he still has to deal with this right so even if this castle is denied which it won't be he still doesn't have a response damn the upset of upsets classic pro winning the first game and just stomping velez but see i've seen high level players not have their game and then turn it around but this was not velez having a bad game that's what's crazy like this felt as though velez was playing someone in the top 10 or top 15. top 10 or top 15 players you might be listening right now will say t90 shame on you that's defensive to me sorry to those players that might be watching but like that did not look like seat 36 velez is probably terrified of what is to come if classic pro continues to play like that damn um let's look at the statistics guys before we move into the next game uh [Laughter] more food more wood more stone more gold and the rest is history 84 of the map was explored like i have velez in my top 10 personally i think he's a top 10 player or like at the very least he's top 15 but if you think about the way that this tournament is organized you have the top eight from hidden cup three already in the main event and then you seed to the other players and valezia seed four so based on that alone veliz is 12th rated player in the world and classic pro would be like 45th and classic pro was just able to do that to him incredible so classic pro takes the first game and velez has cross and gold rush has his home maps i imagine it's probably going to be cross and it will be and i was going to guess huns and persians it is huns and persians for game number two uh both sieves very fitting for this map and both players very fitting for this map from what i know can someone look back and remind me what the maps were in the classic pro zoopy series i know islands happened in game three game okay game one was arabia obviously but game two what was game two i'm just curious what classic pro was able to do against zoopy if maybe someone could look that up could end up working out because remember zoopy a good friend of of uh velez was also favored to be classic bro and classic bro three owed him it was on bay gotcha on bay good to know i was just curious so classic pro has not played on this map yet obviously he probably has done a lot of training games so classic pro playing here as the persians and then we have valez playing as the huns um versions start with plus 50 food persians start with plus 50 wood and that allows them to dock a bit earlier their tcs have more hp but more importantly on this map because you won't see many tc rushes is the fact that the docks have more hp so let's say classic pro goes over here and docks up and starts adding fishing ships and velez sneaks to villager and docks and starts to make fire galleys it's great to take out fishing ships but it's very difficult to take persians off of water i'd say this is 50 50 shift matchup though huns don't have to make houses and while they have a slower start because they start with -100 wood not having to build houses means that it's very flexible for them very rarely do they get pop capped and then they can freely produce out of docks and normally archer ranges you see a lot of cav archers from them didn't valez make cave archers in red bull wallow as well i don't know i keep making comparisons with red bull wololo but it was a big tournament completely different settings but i think he was one of the few players who would make who made cab archers and made them work technically as twitch chat is just nitpicking man you guys are nitpicking over my words if you're showing up here thinking that i'm perfect you showed up to the wrong stream all right i'm sorry they get pop cat technically to pull a chat on chat technically they get pop cap to 200. i'm all day you'd be like oh t-90 uh 200 population is the max well no it's not not if goths are playing that's right goths can get 210. anyways doc going up for classic pro now um we might see some goths if finchester continues to play in this tournament he'll be in a best of seven decider next week he loves his goths classic pro with that hit he's just scouting around and it just comes down to if you're paying attention to your scalp gets a hit every little bit counts um looking at the maps i feel as though i prefer classic pros maps due to the the wall-e-ness potential over here so boom boom and then your golds are protected behind those walls now velez could could wall as well and he's got some wood lines to work with but the good news is is normally you're not going to see a lot of walling normally it's just going to be a lot of aggression and classic pro into the enemy team whoop dodged them classic pro just dodged this tc like some people dodge gifted subs in this channel from time to time uh classic pro didn't totally dodge it though 39 hp thank you drew by the way for the gift it's up this plat thanks for the three months the mustache is good i just trimmed it up the other day it's looking nice and snazzy i don't have face cam set up right now but mustache feeling good also if we hit 10 000 viewers today because i don't think we've done that yet during the qualifiers i'm going to give 25 subs to the channel just an extra incentive to stick around today but this would be the last set based on what i've seen so far this is easily the most epic set of round two well maybe not round two as a whole right there were other upsets big one i keep thinking back on and this it was a couple days ago so at this point i feel like we should be able to talk about it was when licks was able to beat miguel the way he did did we have 13k the other day did i forget about that already oh all right well anyways if we hit 10k today i'll end up dropping some subs thanks for that i i didn't even didn't even remember as classic pro is sneaking a shepherd this direction i think he wants to dock this pond and that was the starting pond for velez you know the way velez is positioned he could have also easily gone this way this was a little bit further let's see what classic pro's done with his scouting classic pro has scouted this stock and he has not seen a dock so i assume he scouted this pond excuse me and did not see a dock so he assumes that velez is elsewhere did wall a little bit but both going for really fast feudal ages fishing ships protected for now let's see how velez chooses to fish because if you're expecting a sneak let's say you're vulnerable to it whoa it's a moon sailing fishing ship that's a new one thanks to e yeah what you want to do is you want to send one fishing ship to a fish on the side so honestly he doesn't have a deep fish here and he wants to be on deep fish but he probably should consider just sending a fishing ship over here to scout in a second now especially if he sees villagers on gold let's see what the scouting looks like here you have velez attacking the ville that bill will make it back to the tc so valet should run velez does do so did velez scout this he scouted it that's that's epic yeah you see the futile time again well again the moon sailing ship and now he immediately adds a second dock what's especially annoying about persians and i mentioned it earlier is the fact that these docks just never die this dock has more hp than the hyun town center does over here 3 600 hp so it's really tough to be able to know how to judge it it might just make one fire galley and keep it in there and you might make six to protect your pawns and then they're just like debated way to go you invested all your resources to defend a pond i didn't really care about see spearman coming forward right now for velez he does not have a yeah he doesn't have a stable but he does have his scout here and this is good this is similar to game one classic pro had that situation where he snuck in with a scout but classic pro with good micro house wall this such great play from classic pro though he is still exposed on this side for now he might get the walls down over on this side we see a dock for velez so if he loses fishing ships in the north he'll have the other side uh good approach remember on the hidden cuff cross there's a lot less on each pond compared to the ranked ladder map for lakes i guess you could i don't really know the difference between a pond and lake i was talking to my friend about this the other day like at what point does a pond become a lake or does a body of water become a lake it's surely based on size probably not the amount of fishing ships that you can make but um here you can call it four ponds and we'll just call it a pond based on the fact that there's not as many fishing ships the size doesn't matter is it depth well okay i'm about to learn something we didn't want to google it but who needs google when you have twitch chat i think a lake also connects to a river or some other water source interesting so what you're saying is four lakes isn't even four legs then if we're being accurate this is interesting that scout was able to run down here i don't know why classic pro made the houses like this that villager is going to die now and oh surprise the fire ships hop out and oh double surprise boom nice demo for velez velez defending on water nicely right now also was able to kill that villager which would probably repair some ships all right well thanks chat now i know um blez he has two pawns he might even get a third here in a second and oh boy that was an important moment because velez walden the villager the villager could have died to the scout even though the scout's relatively weak but wait a sec i think feliz just realized ah ah why did what happened there okay i think what happened there was velez deleted the palisade i don't think it was it was uh taken out i think it was deleted and he tried to attack and the villager wouldn't attack but it could be wrong i could be wrong it kind of looked like the villager didn't want anything to do with that which might be due to the fact that there was an attack there as opposed to him trying to attack and it bugging out but that's a big moment and classic pro has docked the south both players will click up to castle age but look at this dock it's still standing this is what's crazy about persians it kind of looked like a bug with the way the villager was moving but it's hard for me to say i'd have to rewatch that moment the classic pro now having that scout alive 2 is helpful you can see that vlez is over here and this villager's on the move les also used his 1hp scalp to scout the fact that there was a dock here for classic pro so players playing into the ponds i i honestly think the only reason that classic pro ejected his fire here was so this dock would stay up that would be my guess because he's not going to kill too much in this situation but now his doc's not being attacked and he might have it up a bit longer get a bit more life out of it in the future i don't see a barracks oh there it is never mind bad time to say that classic pro making of barracks interesting how much food classic pro has and ianga bangabongo for velez three archer ranges and then a stable so this will be cav archers maybe a night or two but that stable's probably gonna be out so velez can research bloodlines with bloodlines then he will be able to open the scouting oh wow what a play the archer's going over this is so good from velez wow the value from a one hp scout to scout in the south and then also scout that this villagers here and then send over an archer and a spearman disgusting now the scout can die whatever it's not a big deal just get that doc denied and and yeah he's good so yeah uh i expect a lot of cav archers and i expect classic pro to struggle against that if he doesn't have the food income to make camels or nights i was wrong in the north it looks like the dock will go down so it's like two and a half pond control for velez i'll give him a half cause he's at least contesting down here remember classic pro won't be aware of that but he is making a fire galley anyways have archers on the way woodlines arrangeable classic pro switching into farms rather early it's an approach you can take because eventually the fishing ships will run out it's uh very much like a real world if we keep treating or playing it the way we do that's not sarcasm by the way just an fyi um hmm got way too real but chain barting's on the way right now plastic pro will have camels with chain burning armor that's enough against three cav archers but chain barding takes some time like to see more farms for classic pro i'm sure he wants to farm around the mill but camille is kind of in harm's way right now this is kind of funny these houses are going down but i like the patience from classic pro well i do and i don't right he's waiting for chain barding but the longer he waits the more cav archers will be masked and so he's like shoe fly don't bother me and valez says hey that's fine i actually need to mask these things so husband tree's a good tech here just so you can catch up to the cav archers chat did you happen to see velez get husbandry yet classic pro will re-wall this and is just missing velez's main force les saw the camel though and velez thinking he could break in here is going to see another palisade no ballistics yet it looks like the cav archers have husbandry that is a lot of cav archers and and classic pros worried now and i'm worried for him camels are great if you can get an engage on the cav archers but when you're running up the hill and you only have five of them i don't think this is ever going to be good enough and the cav archer power with huns working out velez with the lead and velez could deny the town center this is snowballing like crazy i'm still impressed with classic pro's micro to be able to keep the villagers alive and he didn't lose much there he's now going to try and trap these cav archers but velez's micro has been good velez will probably send more ca forward velez forced to back away though classic pro alive and what's good now is this this area is kind of protected in the back and he can focus on farm so he can definitely continue i wonder if there's a point where you need to add scorpions here or if you can actually justify continuing to make the camels down here it looks like velez is going to win this pond but velez is running out of food in some of these ponds too so he'll need to farm something he is doing this is just a great series man it feels like we're watching a best of seven decider because in theory you should be looking at two top 15 in the world players in the decider or top 16 i guess it really feels like this best of five is like that the way classic pro played game number one and the way he's he's staying in this game despite the amazing plays from lesson vls could be trapped oh boy you can stack your units properly it can be awkward for the camels to engage let's see this is one of the more annoying things to face up against an age when you have the units to take a fight but range units can stack like this still though it means to have archers can't hit and run so i'd expect the ca to go down it's just only two units can engage at a time i mean that's okay value for plays considering the cav archers are discounted for huns and it only cost gold and uh wood here he comes with reinforcements does not have ballistics yet this cav archer will die and velez runs away but it feels winnable for classic pro the camels have done an alright job and long term i could definitely see huns having a problem against seadram and halbadeer and heavy camel all the options that persians have it says there's 30 military for valez but he only has 18 cav archers steel does not have ballistics um but should look towards that upgrade soon i think we probably see university now it's gonna be right here university university university damn it okay all right fine i'm not gonna look good today that's fine university ah he almost had us he's gonna do it when we look away okay never mind um universe ah damn it he already had it well that makes sense why i got it wrong then if i would have known that i would have i would have surely guessed it would have been in that location all right ballistics on the way and good mass but maybe not any longer ballistics is on the way right now but this is going to be a massive trap for classic pro and there's also a hill bonus it's really weird but those cow archers are dead man that getting value in taking out units that cost food and gold but the fact that you need to mass ca and he's losing the mass right now is horrible for blizz and the thing about in-game score is in-game scores normally it normally goes up very high but actually he's these fights continue to look better than i think they're going to be because the fact he's stacking them like that but anyways um as i look at how this game is going to play out at least now classic bro will be able to compete with the next force maybe we could see velez switching to pikeman and cav archers but yeah the reason velez has a thousand score lead right now is largely due to the fact that yes he is ahead in military but he's researched a lot of technologies and he also has a lot of navy on water and that can boost your score another stable for classic pro now velez has not been spending food almost looks to me like valezione wants to drop a defensive castle and then go up to imperial to get cav archer upgrades classic pro will need to take map control away from valez before that happens have archers missing out on bill kills look at the eco kd isn't that incredible 5-1 eco kd in this game like how does that happen on a map where players fish so much with this much aggression even the regular kd is 37 to 36. okay group of cav archers running away have archers need to be saved but the thing about camels guys is camels are not a great rating tool so velez is going to back away to his base he's going to sit underneath the tc and the camels can't really hang out here it looks like relic number one being brought in for velez four relics on lands and one relic in each pond on this version of the map there is an overchop there blez noticing that is gonna plug the gap with palisades there's another overchop you can't house wall with huns you can't make houses oh oh god that was clutch because that would just be annoying right the camels could maybe engage against uca maybe the villes alisates don't last all that long even against camels at this stage but still now classic pro is probably realizing that the enemy is up to him saving his res to do the same but there's one resource he's not collecting and i think he's just transferred to it and that's stone and i don't know yeah there he is the fact that he won't have a defensive castle when that pressure comes in from the cav archers is really going to suck for him he's got to click up now let's happy to get relics with the monks got a conversion there chasing these down are we at a point now where the cav archers are masked enough where the camels need to get out of here i think this might be a mistake from classic pro i know that he wants to keep velez on the run because velez will be an imp faster than him but this is real big waste of your cav archers we're not your freaking cav archers you know what i meant camels castle in the middle hill well it doesn't directly deny anything from classic pro but what it does do is it it serves as a launching pad for the next attack liz i actually like this for the first castle and then the future castles will go something like here and here because you could play passive but you're already taking map control i think make it awkward for classic pro to push out classic pro i think was late with his buildings as people are suggesting he's gonna make stonewalls now which i believe is a good play in this area assuming it gets down now the upgrades are coming in oh man look at the score now this is ridiculous velez 170 pop 48 military 35 of that being cav archers heavy cav archer on the way bracer already in parthian already in and chemistry i mean all the upgrades are coming in and the camels they're not going to be upgraded for 60 seconds and this is deja vu this is probably the best chance that classic pro has at taking whittling down the cav archer numbers but the amount of camels you would have to lose to even have a chance of winning that fight is just far too high six series and i love the fact we're seeing cav archers be successful here and velez ties it up what a game guys like i i've i've gotten kind of used to the whole underdog versus um you know like the underdog versus a player we're expecting to win in each series thing with the qualifier and i went into game one of course thinking that velez would probably steamroll classic pro i did say three or three one a classic pros level in this game despite falling behind very very high and velez after getting ahead just kept his lead he was able to take control of the pawns he was able to defend where he needed to in an awkward spot against persians he masked enough cav archers he microed well he macroed well and we have ourselves a series uh best of five of course to see who makes it to the seven game decider next weekend hun's gonna win 65 kills for velez it feels like so much more happened in that game the beauty of it though is that you can make so many of them 49 largest army for velez now classic pro was later to imp because he had to spend all that food on camels so i'm thinking maybe you could make scorpions as well but scorpions are clunky scorpions are slow unless you have four or five of them they don't even feel that strong against cav archers so it's a tough spot to be in but more wood and more gold collected for velez makes sense when he had the cav archers as you can see here pretty even game all things considered it's just the massive cav archers that one vales the game okay guys game number three will be on one of classic pro's home maps this will be the first time that he will have to show a home map because he did not need it against zoupi in round one he has slopes and he is bae why is bae not capitalized overlay guy is bae not important enough to get a capital b but that's funny um anyways we'll be in i think it's going to end up being slopes might as well just rename the damn map pants the way twitch chat's going i'm excited i still don't believe that classic pro could be the lesnar best of five that's how good velez is it scores one one i still just can't believe it i can't believe it until i see another game won by classic pro so it's game three it is slopes interesting civilizations we did see one of these civs used earlier in the day uh connect capture rage and let's go mongols for velez six civ for this map and then we have the britons for classic pro now both of these sifs do and don't fit this map for various reasons i think mongols fit this map because you have extra hunt right you've got two bores which is standard like on any map but then on the sides you have extra hunt so instead of prioritizing the shore fish take advantage of the mongol hunt bonus hunt away get that food fast feudal age lots of pressure yada yada yada yada yada and then if the game continues there's stone but the problem with mongols is they tend to be a very fast starting sieve if they don't capitalize on their advantages there in the mid game there's nothing truly special about them in late game c dram see jonathan hussar manga dies what they want can't make any of that in feudal age and castle age so for velez i think he'll need to get ahead he already is going to bring in a boar so this is before making the lumber camp he's going for a lot of food at the start over here you have classic pro and classic pros britons now britain's lack mobility which i think is going to be tough on this map but what you can do on this map is pressure the middle there's a lot of stones lots of golds here so i think it's important for classic pro to get walls down and i expect classic pro to take a lot less of a risk i don't think he'll be competing for the sides too frequently so i could see this game being something like classic pro going for a slower feudal age with walls velez going very fast feudal with manidharma scouts to pressure might turn into velez towering or les even stealing these resources i'm not sure but i would prefer mongols because i don't think this is a map that you should have a lot of success on if you wall i also said that before mbl picked vikings against indians against leary in a show match and mbl walled his whole starting base by minute seven so i'm not saying it's not possible i'm just saying that i don't think you should be able to do that oh my god look at these gold spots though for classic pro oof this is honestly one of the worst gold spots i've seen for this map because typically a lot of your reds are going to be exposed but normally you're going to have one safe gold this gold here is a lot better for velez combine that with the fact he's already milled he delayed his lumber camp and is just chopping straggler trees for wood and velez is going for a very very very fast feudal age uh t90 can mass longbow beat mass mangady yes but no so the issue with with longbow is that they're a lot slower and manga die or a lot faster so it's it's also why i feel britain's are worse here if you get 25 crossbowmen with britons you have eight range in castlage and you can destroy so much but if you have 25 crossbow and you don't have the lead then you're just going to get raided on the sides and you have to react to it constantly so kind of depends i don't think longbow are realistic then again we saw longbow earlier today in the overtaken dark series on this map blizz i believe is about to click up once that lumber cam is complete les will have the buildings this will be 18 population up this is nuts and plenty of food coming in too still has sheep i think mongols are a top tier for this top tier sieve pick for this map and in many ways might even counter what we're seeing here from classic pro because if you're experiencing this if matchup on something like arabia britain's love to drush and i actually see the militia are on the way now but britain's love to drush but it feels weird to dress someone who's probably going to be in feudal age by the time your militia arrive see velez scout of the barracks so he might be sensing this on the bright side at least he brought in a lot of food already and on the bright side there's only two militia and a scout i think you really need the third militia in there hey velez is going to eat the deer he's like let me finish my food man i wonder if fellez is going to stay here because he could just continue to collect food normally this is just meant to delay but i think against mongols it'd be ideal to get a veal pick or two here just don't see that being possible with the villagers being loomed i played a practice game against somebody uh who wanted some some help um and i helped them by not getting loom with mongols and i got rushed and i lost three bills because i figured i'm gonna be up so fast i can be greedy and i could just get loom after i'm in feudal you know like people do that from time to time it wasn't a great practice game for them because i was dead immediately this is what i thought might happen velez with the stable is gonna send scouts forward and he's gonna try and punish his passive passive play from classic pro more like passive pro am i right um the scouts will come out for control and then towers will go up notice on the other side les is taking tier two and that scout's already on the way from the stable but isn't this such a i guess classic pro went into this wanting to go draw chef c but it just feels like such a weird decision when your gold is so far forward one tower and the enemy could easily deny your gold i mean with britain's what on earth do you do without that he also only made two militia could have had three which could have been more effective so that i also have to question and look at the way velez is looking at this he scouted this goal he sees this goal i mean he sees everything he's gotten completely surrounded and i think the way the map situated he should know there's not going to be a gold in there classic pro now just gonna make some house walls behind and i guess he has to go to stone he could go over here if you scouted that um there's always a gold and a stone on either side like velez has a gold and then the stones on the other side hey annoying little drush movement again and run away idle time but that's about it oh oh she wants to die she wants to die lady you're crazy don't die oh don't block your buddy militia yeah boink she dead all right so avil kill and in 50 seconds classic pro will be in the next stage i mean he hasn't lost villagers i'm honestly just so confused what his game plan is from here on out very very confused by that here you have the militia engaging again man is this annoying imagine if he had three another bill could go down nope nope i'd like to see classic pro send to spearman there like honestly send a spearman there okay velez is going to send the villager home which is smart spearmint would be a funny play do you just go eco upgrades in futile age now if you're classic bro see an archery range but he can't take gold for archers getting his wood upgrade he seems to be very confused this can happen though you go into a game wanting to play it a certain way and then bad things happen and that's what makes age of empires great you've gotta adapt like i think we're a little coddled nowadays uh we we do a good job with map scripts but you know as a community you see a relic ten tiles closer to one person and you always see one person like the relics are unfair ah the relics you know like that's gonna change like you don't need to play the game right um like in this case classic pro i feel i mean he was really screwed over by the school there's no question but he also probably chose a strat in the first place which shouldn't be super successful on this map but that was easy he just batters down the tower he had the spearmint to protect the villagers and velez had only had scouts out there so now he just rewalls it yay again this is my point you can't just say ah the map sucks the map sucks i'm out gg you play the game he's got gold now and velez is going to be kicking himself you should have fully walled in that tower i think yay now if he tries to tower this i think a counter tower will come for classic pro who's going to have two archer ranges producing a mix of skirms and also spearmint right now maybe velez can't comfortably end up towering there let's look at velez's main eco he only has two farms he still has the berries remaining well he had the fast food income it's not a long term plan for him ready he's adding skirms from the forward range and i think these bills are just going to take these resources now and seems to be where they're going something classic pro has not even scouted dude he didn't even scout his own side so you wouldn't be able to know if les is taking the deer out there but that would make sense you could even make a tower here if you're really worried but for now i think you can just protect that area with military there's not much of a concern for velez either that these bills are going to get hit because i think pretty soon they're going to be finished with those that food and he's also walling at home so he can honestly just keep an eye on what classic pro's doing this force and just trying to keep these villagers working 14 military verse 7 this game is incredibly awkward and there's the tower for velez this is a good move very good move and now fletching coming in something that uh is already in for classic pro in an ideal world you use your skirms to take out the spearmint and then use your scouts to take out the skirms but it's one too many units in there and velez just doesn't have enough right now i think he's looking towards castle h uh this is an overtaken home map yes and now we see the now why did vlez shoot all the is weird maybe it was a misclick but yeah velez happy to take the food it feels to me like velez is going to have a faster castle time because of the hunt and also because he's invested into other areas of eco but it's 19 military against 10 right now and classic pros fully waltz what do you think about valez stonewalling right now chat is that crazy because that would be terrifying in the next stage like i was thinking maybe stonewall the one side of your base and then maybe tower here tower here and then stonewall everywhere else okay this has been rewald velez is looking for this army here comes classic pro classic pro's making this work oh i just the pop filter on my mic see i talk with my hands sometimes so i'm moving my hands around and i smack the pop filter towards my own face and hit myself in the nose sorry if that made a noise is velez gonna die to this uh he can make a market that oh god panic time meanwhile over here velez is knocking on the door and we have a tower from classic pro okay houses are not to live in houses are for walls good house welding there but there's enough archers in there for classic pro where these villas should die that's the thing classic pro's got to get his archers closer yeah exactly and now the skirms need to come back the skirms need to get armor armor's on the way for velez velez with the very creative house wall and market wall just to buy time can he buy enough time classic pro has yet to click up the castle age um i'll miss click there could hurt meant to click the ville and classic pros in but the skirms have been brought back home what a moment that was that was a really awkward moment for velez who by the way has villagers over here and classic pro just scouted it oh man i think at this point valez you're already ahead it's far too risky to do this we know that classic pro didn't have that scald until now but maybe getting a little too greedy there for liz let's have the villagers on this side still in terms of villagers killed classic pro has been able to kill two villagers and he has not lost a single ville in this game classic pro is britain's making archers out of two ranges he's on the way to castle h i mean that is what that's the spot that you would want to be in i just don't think you would want to be this late to the next age good micro from velez using the scouts on the skirms then micuring away from the spearmint classic pro's just gonna run home now but a lead skirm already being on the way is a pretty big deal here classic pro has 14 archers and that would be countered by a lead skirm but you do have extra range with britons could maybe justify adding a stable dude to go for a knight or two against the skirms we'll see a ville pulled this way to re-wall this for classic pro well done and again i just have to say to you guys i am enjoying this series so much it has produced so many good moments rewatch game number one re-watch game number two if you want ah there's a hole oh boy oh boy that's not good um so much for good moments am i right freddy oh okay that's not bad actually is a little bit of time you lose one villager after killing two in this game and now you have your own ranged units getting hit in the woodline sucks and the fact he hasn't expanded sucks but will be elite skirm and crossbow against just elite skirmisher for velez also it's 24 military verse 17 right now and the second armor upgrade is not in for velez though velez will have the hill i see the university i mentioned maybe mixing in knights i'm really glad the classic pro didn't i like this approach from him because he has a fine mix of crazy numbers of crossbow and elite skirm so you see velez mixing in knights now the knights don't seem like they're going to work all that well with the crossbowman out there what's valez doing economically second tc in the middle and every every uh set players are playing this so differently a lot of other players today were trying to take the sides i've had that happen where i take the sides and then i lose all my stones and gold's in the middle so it's tough and i think these skirmishers these mongol skirmishers it's just not a convincing spot to be in with mongols even though you're up against britain's making archers long term do you really want to be making skirms and classic pro is just going to use his own skirms and valeza's skirms but velez does have good upgrades velez also has the knights in here nice tc for classic pro 49 villagers for both crazy economies crazy balance i cannot believe this is round two i cannot believe a 36 seed is taking games to valez like this classic pro is truly impressing me here because velez comes into not just the set but the qualifier as someone who is pretty much expected to qualify and yet classic pro is able to do this and i don't think it's a massive drop in form from velez because every game i've seen from valez i think he's been playing good today this really shows you the amount of high level players we have overtaken and dark earlier that was a round two match up where they were they were seated as the underdog they were able to make it and then they faced up against each other earlier i won't spoil that one because you guys will probably want to watch that one of the best games of the tournament in that set siege workshop now for classic pro this is something you could have maybe gone for earlier but look at the timing on it like this is a ridiculous game blez knocking on the door with the knights that'll be housewalled out lots of micro battles in the middle someone just said we hit 10k subs did we did i miss some gifted subs i see five are gifted five thanks fiverr fiverr0101 mvp i honestly that was one of the dumbest things i've said today i not that you're not an mvp fighter but i just i'm really i'm pleasantly surprised with how good this game is and i'm just i almost don't want to cast i just want to watch and enjoy it but the knights just slid in here somehow and this is probably the first big mishap with classic pro it's such a small little thing right he has the tools to take out these knights but the knights just snuck in here somehow meanwhile though we have crossbones going this way crossbone leaving the front of classic pro's base and one villager down velez instant reaction skirmishers being brought back it's not ideal this is just a lot of messy idol time i see there's a tc over here though for classic pro in the middle we have magnels fighting here the skirmishers are chasing down the crossbows classic pros to run away magnels could be useful for both of them oh big shot from all the legs and the massive shot he deleted it he deleted it and for some dumb reason even if there's no hill bonus if you delete your magnel after the shot you do more damage there's more spread on the shot i've complained to the devs about it i don't think it should be a thing but i'll tell you what it's a risk to do it and now classic pro has a magnel and classic pro has the numbers advantage if he wants to use his range units 40 ranged units against 20 right now that was a good shot from velez i can't help but feel like he should have kept his maganila life was the delete really worth it like what if you get another shot off this magnel for classic pro doing work and so many head shots my word i see plus two coming in and there's another decent shot for velez but i see chain barton coming in for velez as velez wants to switch in tonight but when there's this many crossbowmen on the field for britons this is dangerous velez has done a great job with this range i don't know if it's intentional but it's annoying i see crosswoman going down look at this yeah that's intentional and also that night has been annoying and here comes the ukrainian to the left side now there's a worry here that he could get trapped because he doesn't have his siege to accompany him i see a tc going up for velez on that left side this is what i brought up earlier about britain's they're really good in a snowball situation so do you want to be going for side raids or do you want to be snowballing a push in the middle here i think velez is going to send the knights this way he wants to get in again or maybe just take out these bills taking out the tower speaking of villagers hole it was a good move for velez to add this tc but maybe too little too late 95 percent 98 tc goes up both players have lost some villagers over the last few moments these knights just got in here to kill some bills the crossbowmen still have to deal with this i mean the first 15 minutes of this game there were not many villagers that went down but now villagers are falling and classic pro using the crossbow that's good overall play he was weakening that maginot he was gonna kill it but velez is gonna repair that now the skirms are here for the cross moment is there a hole there there's a hole there oh my god just go for real pics classic pro look at everything that's back here there's gold there's farms the same thing that fellas just experienced when he broke in though i suppose the gold's not back there we've talked about that what a game and there's 42 military for classic pro i'd love to see some type of a counter attack in the middle now because this is only 12 of the 40-some military that he has maybe ram down that range that's next to your base as well because velez has been frustrating with that look at the resources for classic pro 36 farms 23 on gold's can't help but feel like ballistics would have helped velez velez has missed so many of his skirm volleys but classic pro's micro is disgusting the value he's gotten here and another force getting in classic pro is doing it plastic pro could click up to imp here in a second a big moment is most definitely behind he's got 1500 stone in the bank a way to stay alive in this game would be get big magnel shots and then drop forward castles right here in the middle right where it all counts right now not gonna be easy to do that classic pro sees it maybe he doesn't see it actually now he notices has his own magnel 20 crossbows on the field for classic both three minutes away from upgrades good shot there from valez now in that instance he deleted because the game forgets about the hill disadvantage if you delete your magnet after the shot so many small details in age of empires if you're new hi by the way we know it's complicated it's what makes the main event of hidden cut more fun when we don't even know who the players are just notice that these bills have been on this stone this whole time that i think that starts as four tiles so that's where all that stone came from i mean velez needs to start building some damn castles but he doesn't feel like honestly if you place a castle at this point it's just a target for trebuchets once classic pro is an imp and classic pro getting more villager kills now with a small group of crossbows such a smart move hmm like if you castle here it keeps you protected from the crossbows but then plastic pro will castle and treb you down so it's really not easy to know where to castle i think you should castle the sides but how do you protect the middle wow 50 seconds away from upgrades i i just don't see what valez can do right now guys the fourth seed i think velez is just as shocked as zoopy was in round one zoopy said and i quote and zupi said it you know in good fun when he saw the bracket for the qualifier he said it's a shame i'm gonna have to beat my buddy velez again it's in good fun he said that implying that he would roll through classic pro and then meet velez where he knew it would be a tough matchup i'm sure but he said that and then he got three owed by classic pro and now velez is here the score is 1-1 and classic pro in my opinion has a massive lead because he can trip everything that velez has in the middle if les is going to win this he needs to expand and he's doing it castle here he knows he'll lose the front so he's castling here you could even castle on this side to protect this stone look he's doing it all the right steps are coming in but oh man that castle was almost denied i'm just wondering what that eco is gonna look like like he's probably gonna have the villes but all of his farming eco is in the middle for the most part he won't have food speaking of of upgrades and uh resources uh classic pro get our bless maybe maybe i'd like to see classic pro be aware that he'll be open on the sides and start to expand there and lock that down because if les were to get to even just hussar this can be raided as can all of this in the middle so i don't know i guess classic pro forgot the arbalest upgrade that tc goes down this is the imperial htc for velez but something tells me as classic pro micro is down to magnel with just crossbowmen still no arbalest something tells me that he's probably not going to be able to take the mtc out i mean he sees the the starting tc and that's your best chance for it being the mtc if you think they're upping if he were to click that now it'd be really damn close oh he's going one on each tc i think that i mean no i think he's gone both for this dc i'm not sure now arbalest is on the way there's currently four castles for velez wait did i miss count three sorry i failed basic math in school um but but velez has got a chance because he still has the villes and the way he set himself up here it's very difficult to kill him and now you have knights and skirms running in now what happens is classic pro's focus is taken away from velez's base and it's taken to this area now so these moments really do mean a lot and oh my god that tc almost went down before him it looked like velez might have been repairing that but evacuate evacuate look at all these villagers run away there's so much gold in stone that classic pro can take in the middle and and though velez has the villes they're not collecting food to really make much i think classic pro will just shift his focus with his trebs to all the castles now and how do you counter it this force ran over here props to velez for that that's pretty much all he has right now and classic pro just needs to go from castle to castle to castle to castle this castle will go down next this castle will probably go down next i love this positioning for classic pro so we can just make more trips this is sick this is an insane result also very smart this is a nice move from velez he's patrolled his knights on no attack stance so they dodged some of the arboles shots but yeah in the end that gets cleared up anyways ear villagers are being chased down 180 population for classic pro 56 military this map is not all about indians this map is not all about mongols it's not all about the hunt and the shore fish and this qualifier is not all about the top seeds apparently this is insane you just you just can't survive from this i don't think unless he has a massive raid with rams hussar but he doesn't he has he researched like half i don't think he's researched like hev yeah the biggest thing here for me is that velez is not playing bad age of empires today he's playing great age of empires today like and he's been training a lot i know he's been playing training games but if you think of uh his ranked games recently getting wins off of some players in the top eight who are already in the main event of hidden cup three classic pro is just on another level right now or as dave would say next lever and it's just dominance of another level 200 population for classic pro and realizes it might be exposed on this side castles this site realizes every single time where to be where to push where to defend i don't care what else has happened i don't even care at this point if um let's say velez wins the next two games and somehow comes back here classic bro has been the biggest standout in the qualifier for me there might be a few names i could bring up but people who underperformed but as far as over performing uh classic pro even if he deletes his starting tc in the next two games i would say that really good games here and velez is trying because he's probably surprised he's trying because he knows how strong mongols can be with siege against britons this is his last chance rams and trebs and skirms he's not trickle trebbing he's got two trebs here he's gonna give it a go classic crow kind of had an idea that something must be coming classic pro has a lot of his pop in the middle of the map right now so he's got to bring that over here and it's not too unlikely that bellez could take this castle out but i think it is unlikely that velez can do much more than that classic pro maybe making the mistake of making the stables on the front he'll mix in like have and i think even with the amount of brain students he is coming over he's just going to end up clearing this out chemistry wasn't even in for blizz and mongol skirmishers are very weak because they lack the final armor upgrade so yeah they take the castle out i think classic pro will just make stables elsewhere and castles elsewhere he's got so much control over this game and he seems to confidently even be sending his trebs forward already nice job from velez to cockroach as we say and just just stay alive despite everything going wrong around you but this is game over dang i cannot believe what i'm witnessing right now this is an epic performance look at the scouting for classic pro he sees everything except for maybe this if the game was closer that could have been an area where as velez loses these traps he could have raided from with hussar or something are going down the stables are going down now i don't know velez is someone who typically uh i don't think velez is much of a tilter but if you play on in this position do you think that maybe there's some frustration there or some shock at least because this game is pretty over he's backed into a corner he might not be able to believe what's happening right now he's going to try his best and this this army the classic pro already has will clear what blez has that castle will go down the home map and the epic strategy from classic pro is gonna pay off he'll be one win away from making to the best of seven decider that no one ever expected for him no one ever expected him to make it to i didn't even know he had bills on gold here still he's trying to get back to his starting tc dude it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen no classic pro sees all and the game ends what a series this is wow well i was also surprised after game one and then velez responded but classic pro has brought it today probably a level we've never ever seen for him before of less has to win the next two games or he is not going to be a part of hidden cup three this is a player who is a part of most previous hidden cups and is seen as a top 16 players in most people's eyes and in the last big tournament valez knocked out viper so just to put things in perspective despite the settings being different he knocked out who many see as the goat and now he's down 2-1 to classic pro um i promised i was going to gift some subs i will gift some subs thank you guys very much for for being here there's many follows there's people hyped to watch the games which is really what we want um i've not been able to get to all the people who have supported with prime and gifted subs today and and uh resubs but remember one dollar for every sub this channel has on the 21st of march which is the final day of hidden cup four i also i will put one dollar into the prize pool so right now i'm putting five and a half thousand dollars into the prize pool at the conclusion of hidden cup so you're also contributing to what that main event will be um 204 kills for classic pro and it was all about the massive expos and it was all about the center control initially for him but i have to think back and say that velez was a little sloppy with some small things now the sloppiness only comes from the fact that classic pro was playing out of his mind but the tower that was on the gold that probably should have been walled in in hindsight right you all in that tower maybe classic pros never able to get to gold and maybe that's a different game the economy the control the military look at the numbers classic pro made every correct decision from castle age onwards and i was dissing the strat man i thought that was gg mongols had the hunt the britain player didn't have 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including myself are starting to believe who wins this best of five who wins it yes velez or classic pro we're not gonna do a poll because we have a game already it will be on gold rush i'm seeing a lot of velez i'm seeing a lot of classic pro this would be the biggest subset of the qualifier by far with one of the biggest names crashing out if fellez were to lose the next game let's go what kai see why listen i'm very thankful that's insane i'm very thankful but also when you gift 50 subs after i give 25 i no longer look like the good guy and how dare you okay you could have done that any other time i've been live all day and you're just gonna be like oh yeah i got a good bonus this year i'm a good salesman boom thank you guys for the 50. let's get some smiles and chats or frowns i guess if you didn't receive one uh classic pro playing as the malians here and velez fighting for his tournament life his qualifier life it's playing as the khmer in the blue the map is gold rush and on gold rush you have seven tiles of gold that is uh accessible or close to you and the rest of the gold is spread out in the middle this is very different from previous versions of gold rush this version of gold rush you could easily have both players in the middle producing some good games they have a classic broken town center here in castle age les could town center here in castle age um yeah one relic in the middle you have other relics spread around evenly kamer malion is a match up that i recall seeing i actually think we saw this a decent amount in no maybe it was slavs and khmer actually in hidden cup three uh but malians have some great flexibility here they can make knights they can make camels every building that they create that cost what is discounted they have great monks they even have faster researching university upgrades if they go into archers i think it's just that khmer are stronger with knights and siege so like scorpions farms light caving knights that's where khmer tend to shine so if this gets to be a game about spamming military maybe khmer would be better off there certainly not as flexible as the malians ah poips you're amazing poips has been around for so many hidden cups poips thank you my friend for 25. hallowed thank you for the five gifted subs uh casar death thank you for the two passamio with 50 months subs chat 50 months subbed what was going on 50 months ago besides the fact we maybe had 100 people here uh pasemio says next stream hidden cup nothing okay still stuck in the forest nothing maps are we i mean this is essentially some type of a nothing map or nothing stream it's been nothing but hidden cup four qualifiers look at these walls for velez not taking any risks walling in dark age with three villes this tells me velez wants to be safe this time and go for a fast castle i was looking at the gold positions i don't like this gold for classic pro that'll be rough so his goals really have not been great but in the previous game he said you kind of have to play the game with what you get an easy wall off here uh this side of his base is very exposed i suppose valets could still go aggressive and still go fast fetal behind the walls but it's not common to see and scout losing hp to the town center see that's not great now if classic pro wants to wall because you can't realistically use this scout to kill any bills if classic pro scouts around it's just it seems like i mean velez also is not walling in this gold right but it just seems like now that the walls are down it looks very easy for less to pull off but what i could actually do is zoom out and see how many palisades that takes that takes um 44 palisades that's 44 times two that's how much wood and then you got the houses in there as well i think if you were to look at classic pro's walls assuming he goes for the same which i don't think he will it would end up being around the same it's just that velez walled with three or four villagers already so it looks like an arena looks like a hideout map now classic pro did not scout what the enemy's up to and also doesn't even know where the enemy base is that hurts and i think normally the enemy would be here so that's a good spot some of these maps the the generation's a little wonky scouting being a lot more important than your average game and ooh is classic pro going for scouts this looks like a scout build i'm curious on what he ends up doing when he realizes what velez is up to so this is what i expect glen's full wall fast castle very passive but khmer can have insane fast castle time so by the time you get over here with anything of real value kamir could be in castle age making knights you don't have to make the barracks before the stables so this is a really good strat for velez if he can pull off the uptime um i think classic pro the correct play here would be to not make the stable instead get horse collar and get double bit axe and make a ton of farms just to try and compete with the uptime because if you make the stable that's a hundred well i guess with malians it's not 175 but anyways it's a couple farms you can't build still hasn't found velez still has not found this player so maybe some good fortune for vlez when he needed it because he also pushed in his deer he did move out the scout a lot earlier say that much the scouting pattern for classic bro he's looks like what well now he can kill that scout though well now he's not going to scout velez though now he has no clue what velez is doing he has to go based purely on the uptime and assume that velez might be going for something okay scout goes down i mean truthfully i don't care where the opponent is on the map you probably should have them scouted by 11 30 right say what you want about him correctly assuming it might be in certain spots but you can't just assume you've gotta you've gotta play the game as we've been saying uh pay up bro scouts are faster when you hit feudal which is why village just lost that scout and now classic pros looking he did make the stable he did make a scout and he does not see anything but walls at filez's base blez is going to click up the castle age and that is just nuts pool wall and we'll be in castle age of 14 minutes and it's honestly the only civ that could do this because you don't have to build your buildings required to go to the next stage the only sieve any other civ would have to go for a blacksmith in a market or they'd have to go barracks blacksmith stable that's a lot of wood but because you don't have to spend the wood on that you just make farms or you can just justify walling up more crazy time and i think this is a common strategy for hideout this is a strategy you could even do in arabia i mean look at the mount he's had to wall you could justify this on arabia too with khmer maybe not as much because on gold rush you're closer to the edge of the map whereas on arabia you're further out and you have the wall in more of a circle whereas some players wall in like an egg shape but pretty much what i had said is going to happen here velez will be in castle age and he'll make knights and for classic pro he's got two scouts out there you can scout the map but there's not too much to really scout on this map you know what's gonna happen in the middle you wanted to check the palisades yeah i can check classic pro 21 palisades to all this and some of that huge buildings for so like i said it actually took a lot more resources to wall plus velez ended up walling earlier so it's not as if i mean both players have an exposed three tile gold it's not as if one map is way better than the other here it's just kind of hard to like commerce can also go for really fast scout rush so classic pro was was doing the safe thing and making his own scouts hmm now stone in the middle was more of a i don't know if that happened in hidden cup three but that was something that the de devs added to their versions but they also have all the gold on one little hill and it makes gold rush a lot less competitive all right so castle time has come in nights are coming out this will give velez some control classic pro this is funny knights are a little bit slower and what he was expecting a follow-up with villagers to maybe go out there to build the tc or something and he weakens that villager that was a nifty play right there and there's wolves oh tell me velez scouted the wolves no way while the knights are there woo-woo wow villager down siege workshop for velez he wants to go for siege and don't worry he's got the it's got the knights there do you really want to go siege first when the enemy has a stable i don't like that move that doesn't make sense what's siege gonna counter here in the middle of the map what do scorpions do i think it's a correct move to make knights but i think going for knights and a few monks would be good take control and then you can add tc's we'll probably start adding a second tc to boom real quick hmm well the wolves don't like feliz now there's gaps where the wolves are in this map gen you see how there's a gap here and there's a gap well usually the gap tends to be like in between the two players but i guess because of the player's spots here it hasn't happened yo velez kill the wolf the wolf has the hill bonus on you right now actually it doesn't but you've just lost 20 hp to a wolf velez i mean if this continues all classic pro needs to do to win the game is repair the barracks and the wolf is just gonna kill all the knights hello hello all right there's the scorpion now that's what a scorpion can accomplish i guess if you're really pushing you can deny walls and woodlines scorpion with khmer pretty sick hey now the wolf is going to go down but that knight lost 47 hp because of it and now the camels are looping around for classic pro a classic pro's got camels which is a counter tonight he'll initially have the hill the wolf wait who's the wolf attacking this time the wolf is attacking classic pro okay all is fair in the world i was going to say if it's attacking velez again you've got to be kidding me and now the monk is there so it's not the end of the world because velez will be able to tc the middle which he's doing so controlling gold and also have a monk for conversion and healing and in knightsby camel situations you need to just use your monks for conversions and you'll love life and the conversion doesn't come in and now there's another monk and the conversion won't come in here either you're kidding with two monks and five knights against six camels the knights and monks should do well there but classic pro just dove in immediately first conversion could have come in as we know that monk conversions can be really fast sometimes but i just think that's sloppy unit control from velez all right makes it an interesting game right two tc's for classic bro classic pro making a market here maybe to buy some food i'm not sure and classic pro needs to remember that it is possible to build the tc as well i think your own monastery though is priority number one before any town centers at home velez doesn't really have anything to defend from this so he's going to make more houses should send whatever monks he has over this direction i mean i'd slightly prefer classic pro's current position but this game is so damn close despite the small mishaps there for velez again i say small mishaps okay that house has hp on it yeah he's fine if anything i think it would be a really cool move to go this way while you're house walling try and take this area the map because classic pro doesn't have the camels there anymore and again why the siege workshop before the monastery i really don't understand this and maybe i'm wrong but ram i don't know if this is oh boy a ram he just wants to take out the tc okay now at least it makes sense i'm not saying it's a good move oh he's got monks there he has the monastery i'm dumb okay three monks i think i even said he had monks les didn't know that i think magnel would make sense here to take out the scorpions this group is still around and looping back over two rams now velez is going to assume that those are magnels it would not be like malians to make scorpions too agonals make sense for the monks and they also make sense for the scorpions you know what would be really sick here chad is because they both have monks if classic pro could convert velez's monks and then use those monks as well as what's left of his monks to convert the knights the camels kill everything else and then the rams ram everything down then it's gg crazy okay there are the monks see some willow lows here the magonella is there now that magnel will be useful because it will thwart the rams again not loving the ram choice and now you've shown that you're going to go for rams as we see velez adding barracks i think valez wants to go into pikeman pikeman with the knights with the siege with the monks lots of units on the fields classic pro has been mixing in nights classic pro scouting that's a new scout that's been added or actually no that scout's been with the group for a bit we now see a third tc for classic pro what a series what a game doesn't this kind of feel like it could have been round one in the tournament itself in the tournament itself we wouldn't know who was who but like the level of this series is the closest it's felt like a main event and it's only round two it really has been something special because in the qualifiers we haven't seen many games where the population's consistently even the decision making is consistently even and you know it's just how it goes but in the main event that tends to happen because the players are so close and i see it transfer to stone i think it's the same for valez let's see he's going to make a mining camp here both players thinking about an eventual castle and i just saw redemption come in for classic pro that would mean he can convert enemy siege now repairing the rams which looks really funny actually it's a it's a pit stop they're moving around man more monks on the way monastery very far forward here redemption now for velez that is of course much later and that could make all the difference the villagers still repairing that monk could convert does not convert the magnol because the magnet is being pulled back the scorpion's being prioritized which is a good move for velez the conversion does not land because of that and now this conversion again going for the magnel again velez microwave conversion does not land conversion will not land again velez getting the better of this but then at the same time losing the monastery now needs to use the monks and still hasn't shown the pikeman what a freaking game and now he needs to be careful he doesn't send his scorpions in close to the siege my god and by the way they have to macro too there's actual economies they've got to worry about here so i will say as that monk what happened there velez is behind in villes but it's way ahead in military it's like he stopped creating bills out of his tcs for those five minutes and just used all of his food for pikemen night i think that's a good move on this in this situation on this map i think it makes more sense to prioritize military over bills if you had to choose in that instance classic pro went for the classic balance that you would go for insane arabia game but when military matters this much to protect the gold i like that decision from blade what i don't like is how he's staying underneath the town center for so long and knight gets converted there that could be rather annoying velez looking for conversions won't get them also clicking individual units we have a castle drop and a magnolia is about to pop he's the pop and fire that's all that's that's huge oh god classic pro needed that i thought he was going to try and eject it and hit these magnets but he was just a little late to it castle on the way to protect that gold and protect that tc but there's two magnets velez could take it to game five right here bless should take it to game five right here the castle's at 69 percent that's not nice i think velez just won the game magnels are still going to hit this area classic pro is going to hop in and out of the tc wow honestly insane micro with the villagers and now we have whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what's happening here and now some of the converted knights and new knights are going to take out the magnels the monks are dying the castle is going to go up 85 bills for 70. classic pro still in this game dang ridiculous man well i'll tell you what we get excited but classic pro he's still going to be in castle age here it's fascinating too because they have the same amount on food at home uh that might change a little bit here so it's not like velez has a lot more farming eco just lack of investment that was beautiful i mean it's just like these compositions are so tough to control man monks pikemen camels knights siege so much of it depends and what's really fun about what's upcoming is i think that well initially i was thinking velez would go into halberdier and trebs and try and castle this middle hill we still might see the castle but i see an archery range it might actually be our bliss that's the choice now over here classic pro trying to break in unsuccessfully there's the castle going up in the middle another castle coming for classic pro and that is this is all very unique because i kind of feel like in some ways the composition for velez is very fragile right now against shibeto and camel but because the jubetto and camel were spread out yeah see see how this works like jibetto can take up pikemen but they're separated from each other two castles for classic pro but classic pro won't be an imp and i value being an imp a lot more here there's not much classic pro can do once trebuchets start dropping to fight up this massive hill now there is something that i've seen in the past and it's only been in the best gold rush games but it's where you you try and expand over here but then you use your military when you're in castle age to try and hit the main eco look how exposed this is for liz it seems like a long shot but i've seen it before and if you can get a bunch of knights in gebedo you could probably break in here and then velez is gonna have gold but he won't have food income that's probably your best play the nice thing about gabeto is that against infantry they're very strong and you probably don't need to get the elite upgrade with this unit anyways so being stuck in castle just fine the nice thing about being malians as we see an attempt for classic pro to get over here um malians get extra pierce armor for age on their infantry so if you go for something like can you go long swordsman graham i i mean maybe all in castle age long swordsman jobetta ram i see that you better running in here to take out a treb wow all right that treb's gone i feel like this is gonna get more and more complicated though it's not like valez is that far behind in economy you can bet it was very weak very low hp unit i don't even know what to do with youtube uploads now because round two wasn't expect i wasn't expecting it to be that good i think this full series needs to go to youtube what do you guys think it's only rounds two the best of seven deciders will go up in full this full this whole series is deserving of youtube what if here's the sad thing what if the main event doesn't live up to this [Laughter] you know crazy viewership in the main event and we're just like well it never really lived up to that round two qualifier set uh i mean the names are hidden i can just tell robo that the only players that will play in the event is going to be classic pro and velez every round is just a rematch of classic pro and velez and robo tells them to pick different sieves everyone's like he's picking yellow it's gotta be viper viper picks yellow did you see that quick wall oh my god piper's the only one who could ever make that house like that that's the best part about hidden cup is how wrong everyone is including myself by the way supplies classic pro getting supplies the castle's gone down this is gonna be exactly well not exactly what i said in terms of uh what's raiding because we don't have knights but a similar thing to what i mentioned classic pro just breaks in with the gabettos and now velez is falling back into towers 48 on food for classic bro is he going to win this despite you know about to lose a castle i mean i don't even know it all come down to how quickly he can take into champion really the bettos are so weak and you can see it here even though like they're strong in attack but they're very fragile they're very delicate now good thing is you don't really need to get any unique text in this scenario but you do need to make houses in the back of your base yeah houses are already coming up classic pro realizes this castle is probably going to drop pretty soon i think the next volley will do it you need to get two-handed swordsmen you need to get plate male armor and then you need to get champion that takes a lot of time look at this that's a full minute just for those upgrades and that's even without talking about the resources without talking about the gold in particular and i guess classic pro could have taken the risk to go over here and you see now that he's probably shift clicked these bills in a in a circle to loop over here you look at what velez can see velez has not scouted that so i mean there's a chance that if slips up and doesn't look at that it could do something but also dude camera get hands cannon his hands cannon uh gunpowder units are a good counter to champions they don't get hank i thought they did i thought they did are you sure well if he doesn't get they do get hand cannon right i mean he's got the gold normally the downside of hand cannons is that they're low hp and they cost a lot of gold there's so many arbs already i could see valez mixing in hand cannons too even if it's just 25 and doing well champion upgrades still on the way i don't think classic pro can justify taking any fights before it i'd love to see a castle drop over here just so maybe he can start tripping from the other side he's going to be fighting up the hill prior to the champion upgrade here classic pro here he comes another castle for velez this is going to be the second one in the middle how strong are the champs girls or the two-hand scarlets the the scarlets eight pierce armor are blessed tickle these units and the push is not bad for classic pro the downside is he doesn't have he's on limited gold and he doesn't have siege to back it up and now again if camera get hand cannon i thought they did you could also mix in some hand cannons there's the castle now for classic pro velez had time to to write his eco fix his eco get a few arbs back for the gibeto he's also mixing in elephants elephants arguably even better than going for hand cannons because then you have a meat shield in front for your rblist it does not feel as though classic pro is going to be able to do this if he doesn't have a follow-up to his champion attack and he does not seem to have the numbers right now 47 arms still doing the job yes there's a lot of pierce armor they're still slow they're still only 70 hp units these champs girls aliens do not get albert ears so going halvadir with this is not it wouldn't be a great option even if they did i guess because the elephants are here all right all right a few conversions here plastic pro just really needs to take out the trebs and just slow everything down for a bit that way he's not losing his eco and i think maybe build some barracks on the sides because classic bro he's good in low numbers not in that big ball and not not him you know just his units so this honestly it's like this game is a caster's dream this would be so smart imagine if he raids velez's main eco with champs so he needs to delay dying and then he needs to raid at the same time [Music] a lot of space over there but valez has a lot of time to write his eco and continue to push classic pro's economy elephant was a smart choice because you don't even need to get all the upgrades it's like 250 hp against the 70 hp champion plus you have the gold for it bloodline is now coming in so much the economy for classic pro i mean it's out there but it doesn't seem to be quite as strong though i love the food count he had to pull villagers off of gold yeah he needs to send more there and velez really just this is just a miss play to not see that gold if he loses this game it's because he doesn't see that gold i think because the only reason that classic pro is able to make these champions is because of it wait as kid boga would say just wait a moment just wait a moment please wait till you get like 15 and then go in and make sure arson isn't i think arsenal's already in for classic bro some spearmen now okay so there's some fear of the elephantos that's fair let me look at velez's vision again okay he's just just noticed it i think he went over here to build an outpost yeah yep it's a little late to that decision and now he might be thinking uh oh he's got some gold and this is why this version of gold rush is in my opinion superior to any version that we've used in hidden cups before or really any tournament um and that's just because the game is about controlling the gold but you can't just camp it with one castle and win it really changes things and the game sends from classic pro to understand how important raiding is is so sick here here he comes how do you defend from this of your velez you have to send units from the middle back home and this is as classic pro will try and push the middle yep there are some hand cannons all right champions underneath the castle champions probably can't accomplish much here but maybe you should just go to the main eco that's a champion for some reason it looked like a hand cannon for me maybe i'm just blind as velez goes to push classic pro off of gold plastic pro getting guilds now when he ends up selling food and selling all these resources he's going to get more gold in return it's important but there's so many castles for velez in the middle and that castle drops really quickly proper number of trebs proper unit comp the only way that velez possibly loses this game is if it's to the rage he could lose a lot of bills here so he's got to send his hand cannons and elephants back and he's doing that now is it possible for classic pro to kill 20 30 villagers with this raid i also see him sending in champions on this side he could hit that stone possibly velez has a lot to focus on right now and it is giving classic pro time to expand imagine if he goes for light cava raids too with malians you don't need gold for that there's been some classic gold rush games viper vs yo in um t90 series that's on youtube that's an old upload probably one of the best gold rush games i've seen that wasn't in the tournament that was just in a show match look at this push it gives classic pro an opportunity elsewhere because velez is distracted and has to pull population away it's 190 pop for both of them right now but i've been making the top 10 hidden cup games youtube video and that will be out hopefully in a week or two after this cast um but i'd forgotten how good the hidden cup to finals gold rush game was with nobunaga and robin hood my goodness was that a disgusting game and it's very similar where one person would take the middle but the other person would rate the sides gold's important but it's not the most important resource at all times 190 pop for both what more could you want here and if if he ends up making stables on the left i could see classic pro who's selling resources to get blacksmith upgrades now or his light cav that we won't have for rimba i guess yeah anyways i could actually see classic pro doing this now what is valez doing wrong currently chad i do have one thought on that i think that well i'll wait to hear what you guys have to say yeah smalligan says velez needs to raid yeah i agree just and not with much because you don't have much but just 10 like kev just just float 10 population to raid a little bit because the problem is stemming from he's camping the middle and classic pro is making the smart moves in in pressuring him so i see as we say that obviously um you know velez listens to my advice all the time that's what makes him so uh 20 seconds away from hussar and so with hussar khmer could be very strong and another castle dropped for valez i think fellas is still going to win this the classic pro is putting up a freaking fight here comes some pikeman and he wants to drop another castle which he just just was able to afford because of that stone he found and vlas can't complete that castle yet yet being the operative word i feel like champion light cav with malians could somehow kill this gold force would you guys agree like that's what's really awkward if you had 30 like cap 30 champion uh it doesn't cost a lot of gold it's possible again trying to clear this up and maybe raid with some pike soon velez patrolling around with these hand cannons another castle and just needs to continue to pressure before this gets even more out of hands but that's what's going on here now you see the hussars expanding velez seems to be aware that there's stuff over here castle will go up castle might be for the farimba upgrade i i don't think he has enough gold for that right now maybe we're finally at the point with 84 military for velez where classic pro is not threatening velez enough and velez will be able to finish this unbelievable series i i mean there hasn't been a game where the loser has played poorly today let's put it that way farimba on the way now castle needs to stay up to complete that but it might be too late and i i know velez recognizes that he's exposed to the sides because he's he's patrolling units here and he's making castles now to secure these areas though he's shoring up the flanks some of these castle upgrades though imagine if they were 20 minutes ago for classic pro which is why it was so important that blez pushed the castles the conscription would have helped so much i also think farimba could have helped a lot still got plenty of gunpowder units protecting the sides as velez continues to push see classic pro's population does not tell him he's dead that's what's crazy about this based on his population he should 100 be playing on forget the gold 180 pop and you're occasionally raiding the opposition you play on unless you're playing a 500 population game against the easy ai not trying to call out twitch chat but i know that probably happens from time to time um 30 like have moving in this is a gold or sorry a a trash unit seven plus seven attack but the hand cannons only have 35 hp this is why everyone says that hand cannons are one of the weakest units in the game it's a gold unit cost 50 gold a pop a lot of the arbs and hand cannons are dying to that still feel like fellas should be able to do it both players pops drop significantly after that another castle for velez oh my god at this point he's got to be buying a lot of stone right it's not like he's been mining extra stone in the middle elite battle elephant i've been calling this the lambo you should never have one of these but i guess stonks right velez he has the gold the daddy trust fund there in the middle and you just don't kill this you you cannot kill elite battlefield this is the statement that velez needs to make to take us into the next game also having tusk swords the 14 plus 7 attack it's probably i mean it's not the strongest unit you can make right because you have persian war elephants um but it is yeah the last thing that classic sees before he resigns what a game though what a beautiful game and imagine the exhaustion right you put at this point hours into four games you still have to give your all for the fifth and there's so much on the line both players have already earned 100 bucks it doesn't sound great compared to the the main event prize pool they'll earn another 100 if they win here woohoo but uh if they they make it they have a chance to go to the best of seven decider next weekend and if they're playing this good whoever wins here could easily win that best of seven decider and i mean that all right not that i would ever not that not trying to imply that i say things i don't mean by saying and i mean that two to one kd for velez it was that spurt of extra military right about here and what was weird about that moment was velez went up by 15 to 20 military but down by 15 to 20 villagers during that time because he idled his but the map control ended up winning him the game and the faster imp even though it was dicey at times also got him that win um economically classic pro had 12 000 more food than velez despite valez having khmer farms he had more food more wood and even had more stone it was just the gold for velez and not stellar defense on the sides but good recognition when the going got tough and we have one more game it will be on bay and i think we'll see lithuanians for velez based on what i'm seeing in the uh the draft i see bulgarians and malay for classic pro which civ would you go for in classic pro's position now i'll be real and say that i think that lithuanians are one of the strongest sieves for this upcoming map i think that velez is going to have a build order which is going to be tough to compete with i've also seen a lot of people try and go yolo water control against lithuanians and lithuanians with the build order which i'll show you when we get into the game very hard to stop with that so i'm a little worried that either of them might commit fully onto the water instead of expanding elsewhere which could be a mistake on this map i like the idea of bulgarians against lithuanians because i feel in late game bulgarians are sick but i also feel like if water is any priority on any map you have to consider malay uh t90 will we ever see bay slash pants in a ranked pool no to the devs it's a lot more important to put sakotra in there and uh uh amazon tunnel or whatever i don't even remember uh no on a serious note not trying to diss the map pool um on a serious note i did bring up to them that it would i i think it'd be freaking cool to have a hidden cup map pool but that's on them um if they reach out to me we can talk about that i think it'd be nice right after hidden cup or maybe the week during hidden cup where everyone could experience the maps for themselves game hasn't started yet so actually what we've been doing today is the so we had so many sets we had four best of fives we wanted to cast the first two were played at the same time these players schedule for different times and since there's so much going on in each round we cannot cast them all live so the first one was live number two and number three set were were rex and this has been rex as well but i think we're just like one game behind them so if this series is as close as i think it is i mean i'm hoping this isn't the case but maybe they're in the midst of game five and we have to delay to get it from the beginning now of course naturally i'm gonna search i don't see them in a game so maybe the final game will be live i don't know i don't see them okay i've just received the fifth game wonderful and i'm so ready for this so much on the line both players playing so well and game number five in round two guys thank you for the support today also there's been a lot of nice little words here there um i have not been able to say thanks to each and every one but i do see most of them thank you uh t90 if classic pro wins can he be upset pro uh let's not get ahead of ourselves eric bomb let's not get ahead of ourselves let's see what happens it will be lithuanians versus malay this is going to be all or nothing really fast or really slow game that's the way i see it i will connect we'll be in game is paused i have to pause i'm trying to get get this down and here we go in the blue we have velez velez is playing as the lithuanians velez i'm sure has been absolutely shocked by the level of classic pro today it's just rounds two classic pro is seed 36 valeza seed four i like everyone had velez on my list to go into the main event which means i expected him to cream everyone in round one in round two and then win against a very strong player in round three which will be next weekend classic pro he's not having any of that he's playing malay and on this map there's eight salmon holding 225 food a piece so it is important to control the water area but eventually you've got to expand there's deer out here there's wood there's gold there's lots of reason to take the land um now i'm looking at the build order for velez because this is what i touched on since lithuanians have 150 extra food at the start you don't need to go for six villagers on food to keep your tc running so you can get to that lumber camp much earlier now i love lithuanians and i don't necessarily think we're in a state where we need to start nerfing sieves if anything we need to start buffing some sieves making them stronger right but i think this is really freaking strong man like that combined with the other things lithuanians can do it's just nuts because you can keep your tc running and then you can have two fishing ships out before the opposition docks so there's a dock now another thing to bring up about this map is you can never wall to your dock and be completely safe from land units because units can always run around here i actually remember a game where someone used their fishing ship to block there but yeah you would have to use navy in some kind so if you wanted to full wall your base you'd probably want a wall like this like this like this but you'll notice the stones exposed the berries exposed if you do that lots of resources out here you'll want to secure important moment here velez is looking for the dock for classic pro they probably will scout fight i think velez will end up getting out of here actually we should see a ville coming over there so yeah velez will see okay haven't seen the dock yet if you fellez is thinking there should be a dock here but nope that's just because you're lithuanians yeah so poison poison just mentioned that you could actually have a doc even earlier with lithuanians that's true but then you're delaying your food income a bit more so velez's approach is to go faster dock but also much faster futile so my worry for classic pro is yes he advances faster to the next stage with malay but i feel as though it'd be completely realistic for velez to have a build order down where you just straight up destroy on water but i think you've got to have a backup plan other than water if you're playing lithuanians which makes the civ disgustingly strong if that's what the plan game plan is from the enemy two fishing ships out third fishing ship on the way that's two economy lead already these fishing ships have brought in about 50 food plus you start with 153 lithuanians are just so so strong here let's making all the right decisions when under pressure and this is what i mean at this point he's almost finished his second board already if he went to wood right away with everything and he might not have had quite as good of food eco underneath his tc let's see if velez can click i've yet to see this go very late in the qualifiers the main event we saw that when it was mongols be mongols but okay he's a little early here i think to click up drop off with his fishing ships say idling okay there he goes wow that is a fast uptime and now since it's full upon winning water in his eyes he's gonna switch everything onto wood and gold and try and get a second dock up and go fires let's see what classic pro can do to compete with this blade advanced 66 faster to the next age he too is about to click up after loom it feels as though he's still going to be later should see a villager coming whoa did you see that she was moonwalking loads are coming out here classic pro can block the dock which could be annoying but he cannot attack the ville i mean he's delaying it i don't remember how long it takes to build a dock he didn't have the wood anyways there we go it should be fine for velez hmm look at the up times doc will be later for classic probe it looks like it'll be close [Music] damn i mean what if it's the exact same time feels like it'll be off by a few seconds but that malay uptime beautiful and they're both going for such a cutthroat approach that this game is probably going to end very early i don't like old bay at least the way old bay it's a great seasoning but the way that people would play it was more about expanding and and at least in this hidden cup in the qualifiers so far we've just seen people pressuring for the water and that's about it a scout weaker for classic pro that could hurt i can't believe we've made it this far to classic pro playing full-on meadow water wars against velez in a game five two docks should be two dock production from both for a while now any little mistake can kill you now if you foresee you're gonna lose water you have to start making you have to start going to berries uh you can see over here there's still plenty of pigs lithuanians so so strong but yeah you have to start thinking about farms and other things and the scouts being microed here the villagers being micro now the villager needs to repair the villager repairs scout wasn't micro back fishing ship still alive for classic pro but normally if you're playing it like this it can be very quick as fishing ships they usually are only using the fishing chips for food income you run out of food then you rip now you see the mill though so classic pros thinking ahead so he might start farming he might really start feeling like he's going to get overwhelmed on water demo would have been helpful in this position maybe even a second repair village were coming out here ooh man velez with great micro velez gets one peles gets two les micron back the weak one this is all the difference if you do the exact same strategy feliz is going to get three velez will get all four and then should take out the fishing ships again could micro the weak one back bless even bringing in the scout now this is heartbreaking man classic pros had such a good series no and another villager goes down brutal dang and so now look at the difference seven military versus one and there was a backup plan for classic bro there's no way he calls it quits here there's no way you've got to continue to play it but velez even going out here with some villagers to mill the deer actually that villager is stuck she is stuck she her feet are caught in the in the deer carcass that is disgusting make sure you take your shoes off before you enter the house um yeah i just in theory the best thing for classic pro right now is demo the fish add farms and try your best to get up to cast light with land military i'm liking the walls i'm liking the farm eco compared to what valez has and if he can take out the fishing ships it would be a solid move i always have felt like that while players were correct to invest into the middle that the middle might not be quite as strong which is why i did put the other resources out here for players to prioritize but again the met has shifted right now we're seeing a ton of people go for water ships on this map not so much like late game powerhouse sieves how's that villager i honestly don't know what's going on with her maybe she's she's recovering emotionally from what happened earlier i'll keep you updated would be extremely strong for malay as some people are pointing out so let's probably happy with this position for that reason as well i like how valez has split up all of his ships so a demo could never hit those ships here come the demos he's also split up his fishing ships oh debated well i mean honestly it really looked like he was gonna go in for the fish there and he ended up getting a half decent shot on the navy from glaze but he's still not producing behind this so i don't think it's that impressive also didn't get his wood or farm upgrade whereas velez has both of those and he's collecting deer right now and velez has a scout the velez can see that classic pro is not doing this he could also look to see if if classic pro is going to go for military i see us spearman oh yes spearman could be great yeah send the spearman over to take out the deer and kill them all oh oh point got him all right well now valez has to worry a bit because if les wasn't paying attention he might think that there might be an archery range yeah look he's reacting with his own archer range this might be so he can make you know his own archers of course but like timing almost makes me feel like he's expecting some archers i wonder if he'll make a few skerms first needs the blacksmith and the r2 range to advance to the next age this is a beautiful build order from velez i feel as though if i would have told myself that we'd be looking at a fifth game between these two players that what i would say at this time is that valez was shaky earlier but he ended up showing his form i don't even think velez was shaky earlier honestly i think classic pro was just playing insane age of empires the fish have paid off the deer have paid off everything that bay is about and now velez is on the way to castle doesn't have a ton of military investment on land though so i'm thinking he might go for a boom it's just one archer range just a few archers here there maybe the villagers that are on deer okay there's a stable i was thinking the villagers on deer might end up making a tc i don't like the range placement for classic pro i'm pretty sure that velez could scout that if he gets close enough but for now the houses are just going down and similar to last time belay bailing classic pro out with the uptime if you weren't malay i don't think this would be super competitive here but because your tc spends less time researching the next stage you also end up having more villagers than the enemy we'll have archers les will have archers but i think valez i don't know what his plan is with archers but he's got like two or three of them right now and he's gonna go into nights with lithuanians which is very strong now lithuanians get plus one attack on their cav perelic is even going out here for the deer i like it remember the enemy has not scouted so it makes a lot of sense to do this whereas otherwise the enemy could scout this and abuse it but i assume we'll see an early monastery for velez there's the tc so maybe the monastery will come soon getting chain barting right away i think classic pro while in castle age will not have the archer numbers needed to deal with any knights blacksmith over here doesn't even have the blacksmith upgrades now adding a monastery which i believe is the correct call against lithuanians you're probably expecting some knights despite seeing that archer range it's a good call but velez's economy saul coming in the wood chopping is going to be insane he's going to start adding fish traps in the middle now a bit earlier than i probably would but then again you don't want these to be idle so i like it this might confuse classic bro but velez is going to show that he has archers and not crossbowmen even though the crossbowman upgrades coming in this will probably confirm classic pro's suspicions that the enemy might be going for knights maybe it would have been smarter for velez to just wait till they were crossbowmen but i'm probably also overthinking it because then again they don't have bob canero goes on that palisade wall i noticed that earlier it confused me palisade wall goes down units will run in there is a monk or two back here and yeah i think that what velez is gonna have to do to win this game and thus win this series it's honestly just just take full map control just sit back get get all the relics on the map scout the map expand maybe even a siege workshop could work i see a villager in the middle right now crossbows take out one crossbowman from velez and i feel like the knights could fight here but because there's a monk les is hesitant doesn't need to take any massive risks right now whereas i think this has to be one tc all in from classic bro if he tries to boom right now it's not going to work all of his golden wood needs to go into monks and crossbows just nonstop military look at this economy relic number one for velez that's plus one attack and there's gotta be more relics let me show you what velez can see right now everyone less can see a decent amount i'd like to see him make a scout though just to find the relics check the extra resources make sure no one's there uh this is a little funny so the potential is here for classic pro to get conversions on fires and if he gets conversions on enough he could actually raid the fish traps and also velez could make a demo so it's also pretty scary i just it never is feeling convincing when it has to feel convincing you know now velez has good night numbers he's close to his reinforcements and he'll have siege so now classic pro figures all right i've gotta add a town center eight on food seven on food for classic pro town center now going up economically just well behind velez i think valez was he went for the wiser decision he went for the correct play with water but he also outplayed in other areas of the map here as well and maybe the first mistake oh man that's so unlucky for classic pro that could have easily led to three or four conversions i've seen it in fact i've seen it today he covers in chat like rng lull seriously though imagine if he gets two conversions there the scorpion then goes down monk probably goes down amongst swing games so much now velez is aware that the monks are out there again that ah could have been a conversion you kind of have to commit here with the monks don't you because you can run and that first conversion came in really quick the other ones well they end up coming in in the end now the knights they have plus one attack from the relics i think that's gonna be more than enough with chain barding to pounce on the crossbowman kill the crossbowman there's still scorpions behind this there's another monk bringing in another relic and velez there's no way he loses this game i'm so disappointed for classic pro because he played so well but what i want is i want the best players to be playing in hidden cup and you've got to win to be the best player right seems obvious half my job is stating the obvious but yeah i mean we can have no complaints when players are close and it goes down to a game like this because velez has played so well he drafted lithuanians early probably one of his best strategies so i'd say again do not take any unnecessary risks if you're if you're velez right now classic pro is not going to call this quits early he understands the stakes also probably just wants to show everyone how good he is he's done that today market over here for valez interesting maybe he wants to buy food he's mining stone he's mining gold he could build castles everywhere oh redemption now or classic pro so we can convert the scorpions i don't see redemption swinging things all that heavily though i mean you convert the scorpions you're still just defending and you're still in an awkward spot still don't have a large answer to the knights as maybe feliz will try and win the game right here is he gonna castle drop he is gonna castle drop right on the shoreline it's right next to all this action right now they'll say goodbye to your scorpions there velez but now that means your knights are not going to be converted only one is anyways and so the knights can just run in here and the knights can take out the crossbowmen they probably could have done so even if the conversions would have come in on the knights the rams there the ram could take out the tc so easily the idle time is so high for classic pro currently and velez has all the resources and all the economy on the map he can just continue to do this he's through classic pro fails with the quick walls there's nothing to stop these lithuanian knights from just ending the game right here you can hop in the tc classic pro but then your villagers aren't working and they need to be the castle's up and classic pro's probably typing gg well played good luck next right about now completely overwhelmed and and velez is spread out everywhere he's in the starting tc obviously this dc a night here a night here ggs in chat boys and girls what a series this to me is a heartbreaker but you better get used to heartbreak because march 5th 6th and 7th is when the best of seven deciders come velez will be playing in one of those and i expect most of those sets if not all to be back and forth like this best of five was in round two this is just to qualify for the hidden cup four main event but classic pro i think you've got ice veins seat 36 pre-owed zoopy and then almost beat valez here you are seriously insane when it comes to tournaments and i really hope if you're listening to this right now that you continue to train because most of us know it comes down to making the good decisions and the high pressure moments doesn't necessarily have to be a lot of speed or like a ton of micro classic pro you had the micro today you had the strategy it just didn't extend all the way to game five crazy uh but yeah this game was probably the biggest stomp um except for maybe game one when classic pros stumped feliz 72 kills 29 units lost more food more uh not more wood excuse me more stone and more gold collected for velez of course as the game went on i always felt like with three relics lithuanians are gonna be tough to stop also that's the second time i've seen malay what are you doing post-imp on that map with malay i mean we've seen games on that map go on for over an hour what unit do you make i mean we've seen paladin sieves we've seen mongols make mangadai belay don't really have a real powerhouse gold unit so i question it for that reason as well but the home map i guess it didn't pay off there right wasn't that the final home map for classic pro yeah home app didn't pay off for classic pro 3 2 velez he will move on

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Published: Wed Mar 03 2021