Half in the Bag: The Last Last Jedi Review

half in the bag time for the Jedi to end [Music] hello and welcome to a very special edition of half in the bag I'm Mike I'm Jay and I'm rich and today's episode is sponsored by Fandango if you want to order your movie tickets two months in advance and then get to the theater and have them have no record of you ordering them use Fandango it's finally here the cinematic equivalent of Homer Simpson's makeup shotgun it's Star Wars the last Jedi seemingly endless action no time to stop for anything so many Vista's animals and robots endless death Ryan Johnson is the Undertaker of Star Wars he put it in a grave or so the internet says the film was simply delightful or was it something like you you wrote that intro and you wrote down this film is delightful is that I need to know is that sarcasm I also wrote this film is the cinematic equivalent Homer Simpson's makeup shotgun I was thinking about that while I watched the film that I chuckled to myself know you're ready for a night on the town you've got a set on [ __ ] so like what does that mean what did you think of the last Jedi I don't want to say it's a mess but it's messy yeah I think that's the best way to put it the most obvious thing to me is it probably ends about half an hour after it should have ended the length is an issue and we'll get to that length is an issue structure is an issue and pacing is an issue don't forget excessive miss firings of comedy yes we'll try and say almost of or we get into spoilers I don't know about you guys every piece of comedy fell flat for me yes I felt the Disney Marvel influence there well it reminded me of the guardians of the galaxy and the thing I complained about guardians of the galaxy to is they'll have kind of like maybe an emotional moment or a dramatic moment and then it's undercut with a joke it's not as distracting in that because the characters themselves are silly and funny in here everything's like dead serious all these characters are completely you know serious and focused and then there's like an out-of-place joke this is a movie about people who are either bitter and old lost and confused or in a desperate situation struggling for survival and in all of those situations the humor is just completely out of place it did not belong in the movie I when Luke throws the lightsaber oh yeah it was like dead silence I heard huh does this mean were in spoilers we're on spoilers already that's all you get for now hurts I did want to say one thing that I was surprised by I was surprised that I knew Rian Johnson was directing the film and I I liked looper and then I was like right Johnson he's a cool dude I like looper and I looked it up and I don't think I've seen any other films of his he's only done a few he did brick yeah burn this team or looper worked because a little time travel thing right and I know Rian Johnson I think watches our programming there's the famous tweet where somebody asked him like are you gonna watch the half in the bag or something like that and he said I like those guys but I fear them something strange like that and then to my shock the the the end credit was written and directed by Disney gave the second film of this major franchise to some guy instead of the committee and and to me that was shocking you can complain about the force awakens being too safe and committee like and you know think tank and it's it's basically a retreading of a new hope and all the pieces are in place it incident Elgin and then you could complain that they did that but here they did the opposite they gave the movie to some guy and said make a movie and just do whatever the [ __ ] you want and and it's the complete opposite so no one has the right to complain now complained about the force awakens you know what I mean well you mentioned the force awakens which everybody liked when it came out and then everybody decided they didn't like any more I the one guy who was lukewarm on that when it came out and that's not a goddamn pun it was everything I was expecting it to be which was it was okay I'm not in love with it I didn't hate it it's a competent movie and really after the prequels as far as the Star Wars fans are concerned that's all it had to be it had to be competent people act like they like they're clever for discovering that it's a remake of a new hope or it's like of course it is like they weren't tricking anybody no the whole point of that movie was to remind people what the feeling of Star Wars was after the [ __ ] prequels you make your safe movie make a safe movie that introduces some new characters and that's really what that movie is more about than the plot is is setting up these new characters once that's out of the way now is the time to go off and do your own thing which this movie does but it's a mess Ryan has written a story that's unexpected but right a lot of the doing its own thing to me just felt like a reaction though to accusations of it being of the the force awakens being a knock out of a new hope well we're gonna do the opposite of some things some of the stuff that happens people gonna be not oh my god yes I wanted to bring that up it's it's as if Rian Johnson I'm gonna say Rian Johnson because he's the writer are there any other ghost writers on this project is probably 20 I don't know I'm sure there's certain stipulations that Disney had yeah but as far as like the shaping of the story I mean the writers room and bunch of people said hey do this or did he just sit down and write a script I mean if he did that's something that we always like push for that we are big proponents of is the writer director yeah the guy who crafts or gal who crafts a film out of his or her own imagination and then they make the movie that they want to make when it feels like somebody's vision and it feels like somebody's vision we always champion that over the the committee so it seems like Rian Johnson went and said okay you think snoke's at the Emperor you think kylo Ren is the new Darth Vader you know all this stuff um you you complain about too many we love lightsabers no one hits a lightsaber into another lightsaber in the entire film and it's like it's like it's like antimatter like it's it's like he took all of your expectations and twisted them but did he twist them too far and too strangely and too absurdly I I wouldn't say too strange I have just say too much it's like every five minutes it was like like it starts right off the bat with ya Luke throwing the lightsaber it's like that's the big dramatic end moment of the last movie at never mind Oh who's Snoke who's he gonna be is people have been speculating for two years oh he's just a guy and I was okay with that one it's like he he trolled the audience in a very small way hmm it's like he which is admirable in a way is he a secret [ __ ] troll the audience it was cuz I was thinking this this film a joke many many times I you know I respect that I in theory I like a lot of what he's trying to do with this movie in theory in execution and most of it doesn't work there was a moment where it culminated and it really got interesting like philosophically well by far for me the most interesting thing in the film was Luke Skywalker having rejected the force and the Jedi that's that's that's another in theory in theory that's a great idea in execution I don't know wow I mean but a little detail you got little details like Luke's playing a bitter old man but then he has too many goofy one-liners oh yeah if you're going for the Lucas bitter and through with them and he's just done with it don't don't do the one-liner jokes like like I understand Rey handing him the lightsaber and him rejecting the lightsaber but just the comic timing the comic nature of whoop yeah didn't work right it is about okay we're gonna Forge your own path we're gonna go our own way yeah we're not the old Star Wars but then the problem is everything the new characters try and do is like a horrible failure and they end up at the end of the movie exactly where they are at the beginning of the movie this is this is wheel spinning the movie because no one accomplishes anything that's very true it feels like a series of B plots like a sitcom where you have your a story and your B story this is all B's stories because there's no larger well though there's no like it doesn't feel like they're building or going anyway the larger story was supposed to be raise Snoke kylo Ren but then they added 5b stories one with bb-8 that was a B story that joke didn't land C where are you Rian Johnson that's how it feels and then laura dern throws up a pink hair and then why the pink hair that was driving me nuts why did the character in general that's the problem is there's there's that part where she is not telling poe dameron what their actual plan is so he goes off on his own too you know and that's his arc is that he's like he's a hothead and he takes risks and he needs to learn to to work with others or wants to learn to blindly follow Authority yes because it turns out that Laura Dern's character had the secret plan all along and you're just like why didn't she just tell him about it other than we need to make things happen in the movie we need 5b plus it Finn and Rose who I liked Rose until she makes the stupidest decision ever at the end but she was she was fine for most of the movie but her and Finn this was like oh we got to give him something to do story line they go off to this stupid like Las Vegas planet that where I was having prequel flashbacks that felt like a prequel type thing but they could they go off to do their little adventure there they fail horribly so they come back and that entire last half hour was worthless well Princess Leia flies out into space well okay well you have to talk about that because that's already like a meme already her flying in space and flying back to the ship and people were tweeting at us like that Leia scene you guys are gonna laugh hysterically which we didn't it was it was weird and it was sort of awkwardly executed but it wasn't like hysterical it was more it's it's emblematic appearing it was strange which there's lots of that in the movie and I endorse strange stuff but that particular moment is emblematic of the entire movie which is Princess Leia is on the ship she gets blown out of the ship and then she flies back to the ship and then she's right back where she was before she got blown out of the ship right and that's the whole movie did did Carrie Fisher 100% finish filming I didn't see any jarring like Carrie Fisher was digitally inserted here and I'm strange like that I think she finished all of her scenes I mean there is an ending to her character ironically she's the one that lives out of Luke Han and Leia they gambled wrong there didn't they I mean it's such a shame it's like someone shot John Lennon Paul McCartney and George Harrison home one night Mark David Chapman had a machine gun strange editing moments I don't know about you guys but the the ending spoiler spoiler alert Snoke or Snoke dies right and it was almost like a reverse reverse bait-and-switch because snoke's on the throne right and then and he's like he makes what's-her-name Rey fly up to kylo Ren yeah and he's like kill her kylo Ren you know prove who you are loyal to take your lightsaber out and used to you know whatever use your lightsaber to stab your main villain that you are going to kill and [ __ ] right and then and then it cuts to like the Luke lightsaber it's slowly turning like yeah yeah we know what's gonna happen like he's spelling it out for you and I thought I thought it was gonna kill ray I'm like it's too I it was so obvious that they were gonna do something different yes and then they could smoke in half and then oh then like yeah he falls down and it's like oh okay you know no cannon is a globe LeMay outfit and he's like the ultimate villain and he he he he couldn't see that betrayal no but kylo Ren has proved to be an effort his entire life yeah and then somehow magic well there's a wonderful line Snoke yeah there's a great speaking of him being you know Snow Queen olotele he's an up there's a great moment early on that's kind of a little bit meta where he's like you got beat by a girl with a lightsaber it's like cuz I was people complain about that in the last movie yeah even though they established that he was injured and that's why she was able to he got he got shot in the kidney and he was bleeding to death but who could who could raid match him in a fight cuz he was he was barely experienced yes and so is she no it's worse than the prequels because I know you're doing a voice you're doing a voice you're doing the internet guy voice that was a 1 there 1 1 comedy line that that that kind of felt okay to me was when like he's like what do you know about the force just like hey you you could make rocks float and tell people to do things and then you know people chuckled and it felt a little silly but that was like hey that's about right that's kind of what she knows about the force she knows nothing yeah I was like that's cute moment and then bringing it back at the end when she has to lift rocks and then your eyes roll back in your head so fast smoke and and the throne room and the betrayal you know why I think that was so obvious cuz in his head the real twist was after kylo Ren switching sides he goes no I really didn't switch sides I'm still evil that was the real twist well yeah it's like hitting the reset button yeah I forget about the last 20 minutes he's just there is no twist and that's that was disappointing cuz like it for all the talk of like we want to forge our own you know not we don't want to repeat the past for your own direction when they're like let's team up together and we'll start a new a new world a new system together that's like I want to see that I like that kylo Ren's like like yeah this is all [ __ ] you know good evil what's the difference yeah basically let's just tear it all down and until the end when it's good versus evil yeah he's like well let's start by blowing up all of your friends how about you don't blow up anybody just like you and Ray hold hands and take over the first order fire general huckster get out you're fired you know and then put it on the intercom okay everybody you know just keep doing what you're doing I'm in charge being rare in charge and we're gonna spread peace and equality throughout the galaxy you guys so we're gonna back off this whole killing my mother thing and we're gonna we're just gonna go settle down and we're gonna create a government we're gonna like build some dams hey the people need dams yeah the only reason all those people are evils because they're led by an evil person you get rid of him it's all those people what to do it's like the world the Star Wars II the world outside of things shooting each other it's just a blank slate anything could be going on there I don't I don't know that the first order is doing anything evil it's true they did blow up some planets in the last movie that's true but that was when they were led by the the evil man that's true the evil nan character who they realized was a stupid character so they just killed him off it's no cold smoking a Mark Hamill he plays a character called Luke Skywalker and he shows up at the end of the film and I'm like he's some kind of ghost or a projection of himself one they cover Lee though showed his x-wing buried under the water submerged in the water I should say to kind of like or how the Vox looking got off the island was x-wings there thanks and then he shows up and then his gray is gone from his beard and he has he has like a toupee out and he and he looks like Billy Mays he takes out his blue lightsaber that we've already seen get broken and I'm like wait a minute is the KSR is returning the Jedi green lightsaber they built remember that one they show it yes I remember I'm like wait rayon rayon rayon Finn or Ken Ken ray and peg can really break the lightsaber in half so I'm like how does he have a blue lightsaber now oh it goes can we talk about Yoda and how Yoda appears and as a ghost has the ability to call lightning down from the sky somehow to do what Luke was gonna do anyway it was pretty awesome to see an actual puppet though you know it's weird you know can I just say something just really strange okay and I don't know if it's dementia sitting in or something's wrong with me and this may shock you we watched the trailer for a garden gnome movie oh yes and at the end of the garden gnome movie there was a garden gnome who was naked and headed like a g-string um he's doing a buddy I'm against and his butt was dancing for a moment I thought Yoda to badness and I confused the two that's dimension and I was like do you guys remember when Yoda was dancing in front of the fire and then I was like wait a minute oh wait that was all right it's time to put you in the home like that was it the garden gnome movie I really thought that happened here's awful joke the jovial Yoda wasn't you have frege's he sounded weird yeah that was right guys okay he was at the premiere and so there was speculation Wow oh really oh is that why I'm like Frank Oz would go other premiere he would be invited to the [ __ ] premiere he's Frank Oz is that the premiere of force awakens yeah he's Frank Oz yeah well he would be up to premiere he's gets a ticket he gets a front row seat you know I only know that's not oh and the back and he's more rubbery than ever Luke just turns and he's like Oh Master Yoda like I'd like hey visits all the time I guess he must visit I want to see that movie two of them in isolation on this island you want to leave me alone like The Odd Couple but Luke and a ghost Yoda I'd watch that how shall I see you have watch the we don't know more bigoted more blue milk I require go milk sing it's the central conflict of the movie Luke is mad that he always has to get the milk you know I thought was odd oh yeah an empire Yoda acts like like a crazy [ __ ] at first right and he's like he's like he's like he takes r2d2 hotdogs and he's like hitting him with the stick and he's acting like yeah and then he's like he's like digging through the garbage in his little butt sticking out and he said anything like kind of like a wild animal because he's testing Luke and looks like a witch making a mess and all that stuff and then there's that moment when he's like to you know come into my little Hut and then he said take me to master Yoda and then notice starts talking all ob1 and there's that realization that that that's the Jedi Master and Yoda's demeanor completely changes I'm not afraid you will be you will be in this his ghost is acting like crazy Yoda he's like why is he acting like fake Yoda Oh Oh Mike Mike and the Yogi's you don't like that in the Otis standalone film we're gonna see you Otis frat days when he acts like that all the time Yoda he was gonna like start fighting with a poor go over a little piece of food why is Ghost Yoda not acting like like the real Yoda and not the face that Yoda was putting on yeah tweet at us Rian Johnson let us know why your dissol goofy [ __ ] have you seen Star Wars [Laughter] because Luke didn't think that a Jedi Master would be a little green guy and his concepts of what is a Jedi Master just blown out the window the Jedi Master doesn't have to be a big tough strong guy it could be a little green [ __ ] I'm gonna bring puppet sorry that was the magic of Star Wars now let's go watch the [ __ ] toilet there is no force it looks like you don't have to have anything special about you to become a Jedi oh really [Laughter] [Music] it's about family and that's what's so powerful about it [Music] you and the and Yoda has a message that I think is supposed to be kind of reverberate it through the rest of the movie which is where he's like we learned the most from our failures because every character in this movie fails constantly but but nobody really learned anything from it Allen Poe Dameron he's the only character in this movie with an arc he learned don't don't take risks cuz you're just gonna get caught right and you're just gonna get a whole bunch of people killed yes listen to your superiors blindly and Finn learned a very valuable lesson from rose which was which is do not sacrifice yourself for the greater good don't take chances because love will save us but but wait laura dern sacrificed herself for the greater good [ __ ] up the whole girl fleet and a badass move when that have been better is Princess Leia's character it is very sad it was sad seeing her in this but there was one really kind of nice little touching moment when Luke comes in at the end oh yeah many hands are the the little dice from the one in Falcon yeah yeah what seeing actual like Luke and Leia on screen together that was that moment that we didn't get in the force awakens was on meet me and Luke we also don't get to see Luke's reaction to Hans death very strange editing yeah very strange pacing very strange dialogue the opening sequence when Poe Dameron is Frank calling oh god that was when I was really worried the movie got better as it went along I forgot about that where he's doing like a like a like please holds like they're on a phone yeah it does that even make sense in the Star Wars universe and then he said he says your mama he says your mama joke he's like I'm on hold for your mother or something like that yeah yeah I was like what is happening but then the action stuff was fun after that where he's like he's too small that they can't take him out you know when he's flying around to take out their guns I like that but then they had a the the bomber ships come in and they're gonna drop the bombs because gravity exists and it's baby maybe that's picky but I noticed that and I was like they're just gonna drop down they got a magnetrons oh no oh they're self guided by a little tiny thrusters or something nothing and nothing in Star Wars has to make any kind of sense I bought that as the direct world work to Arielle contrary was so one bomber did the job they have to send in 30 of them well Google 29 of them got blown up they were smart they knew all these people are gonna [ __ ] die maybe you could just put a few of those bombs on an x-wing and then like 30x wings that are fast all drop five bombs each which should be a military tactician maybe rebellion oh my god these ideas make so much such that's so obvious there's no gravity in space so if the bombs are self-propelled which they would have to be why don't they just like launch them from a distance of like five hundred million miles going really fast like a photon torpedo walking fire yeah I know that makes sense there's a Star Trek Voyager episode about this where the Maquis had had a planet-destroying missile that was self-guided and somehow ended up in the Delta Quadrant and Torres had disarmament because it was out of control she programmed it right yeah it was the suicide bomb or whatever in the event that that they got killed it would head towards Cardassia and blow Cardassia but it had like an AI in it and it was like imma go blow something else up it's targeting scanners have been activated and it's like it could take out a whole [ __ ] planet so the rebellion needs to develop some serious long-range weapons but do you remember when Finn came out of the hospital room with with the costume on leaking fluid all over the floor that was funny wasn't it that was oh that whole sequence there when they they get into skies and they board the ship that's like what we were talking about should have happened in rogue one their little their little heist plot though wasn't clever they just said we got to go and turn off the the beacon or whatever it wasn't so much that wasn't clever said it was a complete failure it lit and led to nothing well they got betrayed by a character who we don't care about yes just like Lando betrayed han Solo and friends but but that led Finn to meet up with captain Flay's ma again so that they could fight and she could be easily defeated again rich do you remember one Finn captain phasma and then she fell down into a fire pit yes and then he's okay that's done now let's what's another thing I can do do you remember when the bb-8 was piloting an 80s T that when he made it walk and the top fell off so we could see the bb-8 was piloting it and then everybody jumped on top of the 80s T legs and we're running do you remember one that climbed on top of a giant space space ape you mean that sequence that was the climax of the film thirty minutes before the other climax of the film like like Finn and Rosa's adventure having no bearing on anything that happens in the movie yeah she fell in love well her payoff oh my god that was the dumbest mom in the movie they got the the laser battering ram to go through the the door the sickness StarTek its death starts as a miniature dust our butthole and Finn's driving he's flying his ship right into it he's gonna sacrifice himself to save everybody else Rose Rams her ship into his ship which could potentially kill both of them and then it wouldn't save anybody and it doesn't save anybody oh I was i I think I started laughing when she's having her speech love is what will save us while the big death laser is about to kill all of their friends Finn was about to stop that which would give his character a real thing to do in the movie other than you know nonsense side plot he could save these people but no love they were they went there to see that guy and they failed because everybody fails always and then they found Benicio del Toro who then betrayed them so they failed again but they saved the animals oh thank god no remember that was a that was a bizarre moment - she let one of those creatures go and she's like that's the real victory because he's like he's like it's really great that all these wild animal smashed up that casino that's that's a great victory and you know I'm letting this one goes a real real victory and that's what I thought we were being trolled I mean right this is just too dumb it can't be real I can't I can't be seeing this I'm gonna wake up suddenly go oh my gosh today's the day I see the last Jedi I had a dream that it was really bad was this whole movie the making of this whole movie just Ryan Johnson realizing how horribly limited the Star Wars universe is well that's the the problem and there's a tweet a famous tweet by him someone asked him about like how much of this was pre-planned because they set up all these things in the force awakens they set up Snoke who's a mysterious figure we don't know anything about him we know anything about race family she's waiting for her family to come back and Ryan Johnson just bluntly explained like no none of like they set up all these things in the first movie with no idea where they were gonna go so he's coming into this project like what the [ __ ] do I do I'll do nothing raise families no they're not nobody there nobody I will say no cuz nobody I will take every weight like you you think everyone was like Ray's father is obi-wan Kenobi yeah she has a little bit of a British accent plus she has the force so everyone's kind of and who is Snoke is he the reincarnation of Darth Sidious is he Darth Plagueis the the the famous Sith Lord that Palpatine killed with his lightsaber some there is even a theory that Snoke is this elderly woman from the Star Wars prequels is it Bea Arthur from the holiday special I'm serious there's an old lady who has like these buns in her hair and she wears like this yellow gold outfit and she her face kinda looks like snow she was in the Phantom Menace or something as a secret secret super secret secret set Wow a phantom Phantom Menace if you will and so there's theories about that so it's like it's like he trolled all those people who had all their their fan theories about all this [ __ ] and he just said nothing isn't it's all nothing see if those two really tore down the concept of the force and good and evil okay with large the Jedi what the [ __ ] Yoda burns down this is all Jedi archives I'm fine with that yeah that's the thing those three instances I'm ok with if the movie was more focused what I would think that would because it's like okay good ray is not related to obi-wan yes we always complain that all these characters everyone's related Skywalker's so it's so limited so the fact that she's just some person like that's great so it's like I'm oh if those were the couple things where you're like oh he subvert it what we were expecting to happen that would be fine it's just that the movies got so many other things happening that have no connection to it and no purpose Jay I completely agree with you on those two points okay so Luke uses astral projection to make himself appear on a battlefield and and then things happen but we I guess it he used so much of the force that he died from it yes he was he was sacrificing himself although I don't know why he didn't just physically go there cuz then he could still serve the same function but potentially still live I look Skywalker's it's pretty cool but I don't think he could withstand the blast so my guess is that part yeah five hundred giant he didn't know that was good right it so that doesn't happen yeah I know the idea of him showing up in person and sacrificing himself has a little more weight to it because as it is it's like he's always just lazy they wanted they wanted that scene of him staring at the setting twin suns which was a fine little moment I guess I I don't I don't mind that he died it just feels like the kind of finality you would have in the third movie ya know there J there was a cutscene where he tried to start his x-wing up it wouldn't start okay yes the poor's for help and then they're like yeah movie was originally 40 minutes longer it's just using the force she's trying to get into other water it's been sitting in the water for 30 years sounds like the type of awkward comedy that would be in this movie so he's under the hood he's trying to get it to work you just can't say he does something with the wrench and the whole bunch of like seawater just pulls out his face I think rich you said it best when you said SAR was is creatively bankrupt because I thought about that like Leia and and they should like Admiral Ackbar died and they show who's that the one guy who piloted the Millennium Falcon with Lando neum nub the Neum knobs there and they're like oh god the the the Empire's gonna overtake us and blow us up and everyone's dead in the in hopes like huh and I just thought but like Mia 30 years ago mium knob blew up the Death Star and I'm like how much longer can this conflict go on long can the resistance continue and poor Leia she looks so old she's like an elderly woman she and she's still doing this and and what else can they do they answer is not much bad once we're off with a completely new story that has nothing to do with that conflicts which is probably Ryan Johnson wanting to get away from that I think that's kind of what he's trying to do with this movie it's like the force awakens yeah I've gotten the way of doing a completely different Star Wars story you really don't though have a rich universe to set something new in because all we know about the universe are these things they're reacting yeah oh we know Empire rebellion TIE fighter 80 80 light saber these are all we know mm-hmm yeah I I think the idea of Luke being bitter and anti-age for thought the Jedi were wrong and he hasn't he has clear reasons why I like that yeah and then the general theme of like letting go of the past like I like that I like to pretty much anything with kylo Ren he's the best character in this series yeah I really like Adam driver as kylo Ren I think his performance and his character is so like torn and yeah I was afraid and that's again kinda the the meta thing was like in the force awakens or he's essentially a Star Wars fan boy he's a Darth Vader fan boy yeah that's interesting so I liked that stuff it's just that it's just such a muddled mess but and I like I like to Ray in this more than the first one because like kylo that was the most interesting part because like high-low she she wants to like she wants answers she wants to know what to do it looks like why did you come here you know what do you expect and we all expected the him to train her and he'd start straying or he's like nope you know and then she's like fine [ __ ] you I'm leaving I'm gonna go get kylo Ren and and try to turn him to the good side of our own thing I don't know what to do the first order is blowing everything up and I don't know what to do I need some kind of help or guidance that moment when her and kylo kind of connect a little and they kind of see eye-to-eye and and then working together to create something new that would have been such a great direction to go in then you don't have a third movie yeah the third movie you could I mean like taking taking the concept of the first order and then having them power down their military machine and kind of return back to political life kind of like reversing what Sidious did backtracking it and then reintegrating the rebellion and as as members of this galactic society and all the stuff that could come with that it could take it in a different direction but now next next episode guaranteed giant super weapon that's shaped like a sphere that has a giant laser on it that's what we're headed towards look as interesting as Ray tuned up with Ken to reform the first order or do something new and different and that's just too smart for Star Wars and I don't think it's too smart for Star Wars because you can still Star Wars stories are aside from the prequels which are jumbled mess they're all relatively simple and you could do a relatively simple story with that of them kind of rebuilding you know a society but who do they shoot who do you blow oh then it's too smart for Star Wars dammit it's so weird to with that idea when you think about like those original movies they're just solids kind of fantasy movies it's not like some grand was like there's world building in them but it's not some epic tale it'd be like like families making a whole universe out of back to the future that's like those right just three movies that were were solid movies and that's kind of it you can't have an expanded universe or back to the future but it's too profitable and they can't leave this alone they have to keep trying something and it's gonna be just the same things rearranged that's the yeah I guess that's the frustrating part about this movie is that there are attempts at new ideas yes to take it in a different direction but it still still feels like more of the same despite that at the end of the day we have man with a lightsaber and black armor with a giant army fighting a small band of rebels with a young inexperienced Jedi helping them at the end of the day that's what you have that's what Star Wars is it's always gonna be some variation of that the online community people talking about star wars it's just like a race to see who can either hate the movies the most or who can be the most contrarian it's like the contrarian Olympics everyone wins a gold medal everybody wins well you talked about the original trilogy and and it's like people responded to those movies with such fandom and excitement because they liked the movies and now that's inverted now they're responding to a brand the brand and before the movie comes out like like those those Star Wars like fan conventions what are they called fan of our celebration a Star Wars celebration where they're like here's the trailer and it's like like like an auditorium of like 50,000 people and they're all like cheering and you know they have people up there and it's like it's like a political rally and you know Kathleen Kennedy's like pounding your fist on a podium you know everyone's like you know holding up signs so so you have this like just like weird flock mentality sheep mentality of people that are just like blind fans to this it's almost like a cult now and then the movie comes out and everybody hates it and then they say here's another one for you and everyone fills up that auditorium again and starts like cheering it's like grown-ups acting like children like children cheer movie trailers don't come cheer yeah I cried the whole time like or you wait till the movie comes out you watch it either you like it or you don't and then you move on with your life where we do like post-mortem you know we look at all the things in it what went wrong what went right you know we tend to break things down but then but like you said it's very black or white with with some of the people out there but it's just like [ __ ] you you know and and it's strange I think to me the strangest part is people just like screaming their heads off it's like Beatlemania take another Beatles reference it's like the girls screaming on The Ed Sullivan Show for something except this is grown men and women men mostly men wearing like porn costumes they're in their 40s and they're like pulling their hair out and screaming and it's almost like conditioned like a political rally that's that's kind of what I mean where it's like our political candidate can do no wrong they're perfect in every way look at our political candidate you know it's the even those behind the scenes things on like the force awakens or the rogue one blu-ray have you ever watched any of those know they're very calculate they're so glossy and and everybody got along great on set and this is such a beautiful experience and and our political candidate can do no wrong contrast that with the The Phantom Menace behind the scenes yeah I forget to say action or cut just step it in say action I manage action and cut and faster and more intense and then mostly I sit there looking miserable and quiet it makes you even look back on the original trilogy and even the prequel trilogy to a certain extent and appreciate like the the realness of it now it feels like there's a gloss over everything and and you can't really see what's behind the glass welcome to Disney the way I approached how we would go about making episode 7 wasn't any different than what we would do with any large tentpole movie today there was a period a very brief period of time when Star Wars was just a series of well liked blockbusters and now it's not special anymore and for the record I don't think this is terrible it's sporadically interesting it's a very good yes yes Ju you once said I will I will know if I want to keep watching the Star Wars movies based on the last Jedi yes that was my whole thing was like yeah force awakens is a rehash but it does a good job of capturing the spirit of Star Wars and now that it's out of the way the second movie is the time to become its own thing this is not including any of the side movies or whatever this is the main story and the prognosis this movie doesn't Sonne thing kind of but by the end of it you I wasn't like interested in knowing what happens to any of these characters after this this movie feels like it has sort of a finality to it you know it feels like the last movie in a trilogy that's what I was gonna say where can you go from here and that's the problem that's I'm not terribly excited or interested to see where they go next the only thing they have to work with is we have to shoot and kill kylo Ren yeah we're gonna fight the bad guys no not we have to get Han back not oh I just learned this horrible thing about my father what do I do there's like nowhere to grow though wasn't because he wasn't trained how to you the lightsaber but she still beat kylo Ren this one subscribe he's a MarySue see no [ __ ] MarySue in this one everybody fails nobody's a MarySue see you again in two years for the next one when they just have to blow up a super weapon and she has to get into a lightsaber fight with kylo Ren again because they can't do anything new or interesting with Star Wars they just can't it's not there I'm sorry you've wasted your life and your fandom you know will be great is if the next like Star Wars what is it fan fandom shower celebration celebration it's just like like 11 people scattered throughout this giant auditorium and then they go can everyone come down to the front row very special guests we've got anthony daniels here you want to see him right let me talk about how c-3po changed the world I can't wait for the 10th movie in the series where we're raised child has grown up to worship kylo Ren and then he betrays the the Jedi Order and becomes a Sith Lord and teams up with a here for a previously unseen Sith Lord and then ray gets upset by that she goes in hiding on a planet and then a new a new kid has to show up who's got some force what is it and and he he teams up with Maz Kanata the Millennium focus or a super weapon yeah of course there's gonna be a gas giant is gonna turn into a new Death Star because it's gonna be a much bigger planet and the other one it's gonna be like the laser is gonna come out of Jupiter's spot this Death Star is also gonna have a Jupiter spot they just shoot some giant lasers that destroy whole like it destroys like half the galaxy red stop giving them ideas and then Lewis goes just gonna show up and use lightning to burn down a tree it's gonna go it's gonna go a new exciting directions yeah it's gonna be horribly familiar I think I think the big question that people have is like did we hate this movie or did we love it and and as we went into detail on it it's complicated I I think the important thing is though I'm not all excited for the next one that's I have no idea where they're going for I have no idea where they're going with it and there's like no interesting developments yeah the force awakens ended on an obvious cliffhanger what are they what's gonna happen I want to see what these characters do yes I want to see what Luke Skywalker does I want to see what happens with Rey yeah I think that's the most damning thing is yeah there's nothing really to anticipate with the next one this is the setup to the Star Wars Saturday morning cartoon where every week the resistance yes fight the evil forces of kylo Ren in the first order yeah that's a good way to put it well that's great because we're gonna have a movie every week so I guess you know if you're gonna watch Star Wars movies or not you don't need our recommendation or no recommendation okay bye that's all thank you thank you we're sorry this review is so late again we'd like to mention our sponsor Fandango put your credit card in and pay for your movie tickets show up at the theater and then don't get your movie 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Channel: RedLetterMedia

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Length: 46min 58sec (2818 seconds)

Published: Tue Dec 19 2017

Reddit Comments

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I'd love a special feature on The Last Jedi bluray that is just Yoda fucking with Luke and won't leave him alone to die in peace on the island.

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JAY: "Tweet at us Rian Johnson, why is Yoda so goofy in this movie?"

MIKE: "HAVE YOU SEEN STAR WARS?!?1!"

Lmfao

[u/Nole_Train]

Why do we keep forcing Mike to watch all these new films? It's almost elder abuse at this point. Just let the poor bastard watch Star Trek episodes and drink beer with the Packers on in the background.

[u/sudevsen]

Mike was veering dangerously close to suggesting trade disputes and galactic senate while describing his ideal Ep 9

[u/VanGuardas]

This might be the most down to earth review by RLM about SW ever made.

[u/SwishDota]

HAVE YOU SEEN STAR WARS??

The look of pure anguish on Mike's face after he said that.

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I agree with their comments about Director and Writer being linked is usually a good sign and committees are a bad idea but do feel that a co-writer or something could have made this so much better, ironed out the humor, pacing, and general tone issues.

[u/bitbot]

Jesus christ that part about the Star Wars fan cult... so true.

[u/[deleted]]

That Beatles joke was great.