Bob Lazar Interview Body Language (2020)

okay next room that works we have six and I don't know what it is yes six and a bonus the bonus is uh-oh I've talked myself into a corner and I don't know what to do isn't it did anybody watch that first video of him you like the first interview you did I think the most fascinating part about that is the like Anthropy zoological study on that because that guy with the what's his name Bob and I app or something oh yeah you saw well I think it caught him was there filming him halfway between his transition from human to werewolf it was a Wolfman Jack or something yeah it's like his is like his nappy or something yeah but he is too Wolfman Jack but mark is too Ozzy Osbourne here we go I'm Scott rouse from a body language expert and analyst I trained law enforcement in the military the interrogation by language and I'm also a trial consultant chase babe chase Hughes have written a best-selling book on behavioural profiling I teach behavior profiling enhanced influence intelligence operations and psychological warfare I'm also a trial consultant here in the United States fix it Greg Greg Hartley I'm a former Army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor written a bunch of books on body language and behavior and I spend most of my time in corporate American on Wall Street mark I'm not Bowden I'm an expert in human behavior and body language I help people all over the world to stand out win trust and gain credibility every time they communicate well this today we're going to talk about Bob Lazar and I'll play a little a little clip ahead of this is for everybody who he is and it's just a real brief rundown of what's going on and why he's interest not only to us but apparently whole bunch people that watched our other videos of his report George Knapp he introduces us to a local man with an amazing and disturbing story George Geary and Mary Ruth though we've been working on the story for a long time and will tell you right up front that it's going to be hard to swallow at first Lazar story is by any standards fantastic he says he's telling it in order to protect himself he says he was hired to work at an area called s4 at s4 he says our flying saucers antimatter react ters and other working examples of technology that is seemingly beyond human capabilities right this this came from somewhere else I mean as a bizarre as that is to believe but I mean it's there I saw it I know what the current state of the art is and in in physics and it's it can't be done all right well let's say I get to the first question or the first video and go from there but what did you do while you were there if you're looking at this object this reactor and you can't figure out what it is or how it works other than the fact that works on this element that we don't even know about sure I mean the thing was - but what you do in you know with anything if you're trying to analyze it all you can do is perform tests and all we did is try and come up with every kind of test we possibly could I mean we tested you know you know it violated a lot of what we thought was impossible to violate I mean one of the first laws of thermodynamics I mean essentially any machine any device that operates always makes extra heat nothing works at a hundred percent efficient even the headphones you're wearing any surround gate the thing that bothers me here as we're seeing somebody who is over the years he's mastered redirection in other words you'll ask him a question we won't give the answer he'll give you ill he'll talk about some stuff and Greg always points this out and I think he pointed us out to begin with he brings in information that has nothing to do with the answer it's and it's a lot more something you may not know about be aware of when he's when he asks and what did he do there and the next thing you know you're talking about thermodynamics he's talking about and he says I'm gonna think that bothered me he said one of the first laws of their one eye there are three of them traditionally and the first one talks about what he's talking about that the two types of heat or even the details that but that just shows that he's redirecting he does this quite often when he's in a spot like that we also see what I call loping when someone's talking they're just they're talking there's a thing on Netflix now called unsolved mysteries and unsolved mysteries there's some some people who've been picked up by a UFO they claim it and there's no woman on there that's talking and if she's not telling the truth it freaks me out because that's the most honest looking UFO story I've ever heard my life at her zoo does yeah and hers is what she talks it slumping when you see that when you hear her talking so that's what really bothers me with that we see them do mercy hands which is a lot of times you'll see him do this in frame but when he's down like this to see his thumbs turn and mercy hands or when you say when you hold your hands up say admiration you gotta believe God please believe me you've got to have mercy on you believe me so we're seeing a little bit of that as well you see it a couple times throughout these things we'll be looking at and then what else I got yeah I think that's that's good Greg what do you got yeah so I'm already starting to work on a baseline here now here's the interesting piece he's told this story so many times he's doing wrote I movement so if I tell you a story a million times I'm going to my base I can tell you about watching enough of him he's a right I recall so when his eyes are moving to his right he's doing recall by the way about 90% of the population goes the opposite direction for some kind of recall and all of his road it's all auditory if you guys remember me telling you you can't have a cover story because everything is auditory and binary and there's no visual cues no visual cues here if you notice it's all in the same place where it's auditory or visual he gets asked the question what did you do good job Joe Rogan by the way not many people who ask hard questions great users and okay now I'm gonna be Greg and talk like Greg Fuhrman if you ask me when I do a physicist [ __ ] if I couldn't come up with a better answer but he didn't come up with a better answer I would say tested magnetism tested electricity tested he tested - you could list any one of a number of things that a physicist would talk about instead he goes and he starts to move into what I call mark it's got you to dead on redirect but I caught chaff and redirect because he just starts to puke information until he gets to a common denominator and sees that you understand it and then when he gets down to that level then he redirects and it's an age-old thing once I get something that's factual that you believe I can throw out a lead that will cause you to pick up the next question that starts me down the path of really starting to pay attention to his eyes and those pieces and I'll loop back to this later in the in the show because I want you to pay attention to what he's doing to you when he's telling a story excellent chase what do you got so we saw the redirect and he doesn't really answer the question and a rule for you guys watching if you ever redirect a story make it really interesting because if it's interesting it'll be great and it's a lot a lot easier to get the story across or get the answer out if it's interesting which is his was I was riveted by this learning about this this alien machine one thing you said Scotland his hands are like this you said mercy hands I think in in that instance he was trying to say that this is impossible and I think his hands were open just to express I have no idea what's going on here and maybe just kind of a surrender palm exposure kind of a thing and one thing we see him do Joe Rogan asked a question what did you do he starts with the pronoun well you have to do this and when you see something like this you have to investigate it and he immediately makes a shift to wee-wee-wee-wee he I don't think one time in that segment that we just watched that he mentions himself he stammers before he says anything what did you do this is the the pivotal moment in this guy's life but he can't think of what he did for a good seven seconds and the key one of the keys here for Joe Rogan was he doesn't say anything he's gay he's like we were always wishing they were just shut up she's not trying to talk every five seconds he didn't care so he just waits for that answer and he just keeps puking whole time anyway sorry about that chase sorry very true yeah and there's so many clients out there that teach deception detection that don't teach you how to ask questions which really pisses me off because you can be you can be like all of us watching body language there's not a whole be the first one to say it in this statement we just watched there's not a whole lot of deception there's maybe some memory which could be a truthful story but he's he's made sure that he's got everything straight but deception really comes out when we can do things on our side to raise the stakes increase the anxiety about lying to us and we're doing other things to question tiny parts of the story where he doesn't know whether or not we know the answer for something or not like a beige question which we've we've talked about in previous video so we chase I would I'll push back just one little bit here when you say there's no deception I think there's deception but I don't think it's the classic kind where you try to lie your way out of something I think it's he's trying to come up with an answer and he doesn't and then he redirects and redirecting to me is deception right I would say this deception I didn't say there's no deception I said there's not a whole lot because I typically look for a cluster or a group of several indicators that absolutely I would absolutely say that that is an indicator of deception but there's not a whole lot to stack up here but so there there is a likelihood that there is some deception you sure excellent mark yep so great job by Joe Rogan there but Bob Lazar is quite masterful at this it's pretty well practiced of this here's what I see him doing and it's the kind of stuff I'd trained people to do we do have those open palm gestures which are used to go you can believe me I'm being honest with you because I've got no tools no weapons nothing in my hands I'm a low-risk person to be around so he's already starting this piece around I'm low risk you can trust me essentially now here's what he does he goes big violating the first law of thermodynamics if all all you can do is perform tests on something that violates one of the pivotal laws of universal physics then all bets are off from now on like nothing can now conform to our usual idea about anything and it means that anything down the road that I might want to poke at and provoke at my mind is now it's got it's got nothing to latch on to anymore and that's either true or false either we do have something in the universe that does not comply to the universal laws or it's not true but if we buy into its true it means we can't poke at the story anymore it's it's a great opening gambit on this and it and it's masterful I would say excellent I tell you one more thing that bothers me about this is when he's talking about the the three the first law and the first laws of thermodynamics like I said before there are only three if he's supposed to be such an awesome physicist he wouldn't say one of the first because there's only three us a number one two or three that was the traditional was a couple more that's the part that's apart the bugs me a lot there and then chase I agree with you on your part where you're saying it's impossible but if you'll watch you'll see the hands go down it's like do it you see those hands turn right over in there as well watch that again if you get a chance where we flip around and you'll see how that's the part I was talking about and I will say that I have some bias here I want there to be aliens me too I will man me plenty discover some stuff I want one of the some guy who gets elected president he's gonna read through these files and be like holy crap I've got to tell everybody that's what are the first things I would do maybe one of the reasons I'm not president the first thing I'd do I'd be like all right come on meeting in my office bring me all the alien crap bring it all in here so I I mean I watched the movie interstellar I cried so many times during this movie I was really into that stuff and I want there to be aliens so me watching this I've got to admit my bias I want to believe him look I I want there to be something else because it means they've cooperated to be this smart to get here we seem to not be able to cooperate about what's good for dinner so it would be a great thing and I think that's human nature to want that all of us here probably would love to see something there are things that I do I believe there are UFOs yeah the Navy has got some great footage of things that we can't explain that doesn't mean that I have to believe his story to believe that story that's a piece that we need to keep separate as we go through this yeah but what did you do while you were there if you're looking at this object this reactor and you can't figure out what it is or how it works other than the fact that works on this element that we don't even know about sure I mean the thing was - but what you do and you know with anything if you're trying to analyze it all you can do is perform tests and all we did is try and come up with every kind of test we possibly could I mean we tested you know you know it violated a lot of what we thought was impossible to violate I mean one of the first laws of thermodynamics I mean essentially any machine any device that operates always makes extra heat nothing works at a hundred percent efficient even the headphones you're wearing anything right everybody good yeah now you said there's nine of them and you got a brief glimpse at the other ones were they how were they different Oh they looked completely different one looked like I called a jello mold and it it looked like a classic jello mold with the rippled sides to it one was a very flat disc you know like oh I don't like a straw hat or something like that that was sitting up on its edge and the thin part of it had looked like a projectile had been fired through the edge of it so I don't know if they were attempting to see if the metal could be penetrated or if something or if that's where the thing came from maybe it was shot down but that was the only one where I saw there was you know actual physical damage to it and that one was roughly the same size they're all high they were kind of too far away to tell mm-hmm all right go first yes I'll just hit a couple of these here's him telling a story that he's doing wrote remember I told you and you're gonna see in later video I'm gonna see him making up details when he first starts the story and he's up visual cues in the left side of his head and all that here all wrote it's all to his right right in the center right and what I typically refer to as as the sound processing portion of your face between your brow Ridge and your cheekbones somewhere in there and he's accessing Hill Road he'll come back he may make eye contact he knows this story inside out he's been telling us for 30 years he's the Susan Lucci of the UFO world I'm he's been doing the same role for so long he's got it down and so he's giving these details there's a couple interesting pieces here when he's asked is there any damage yes there's one that has a four or five inch hole that's sitting up on its side yeah there's a little bit of a disconnect here between his facts for me if I know how big the hole is and I'm a physicist I can pretty damn well tell you how big the craft is that if that makes sense to you I don't care how far away I am from it I can extrapolate hey it's this big and its 150th to this but he says it's 52 feet and then he goes on to talk about how he knows that what size these things are but here he is dancing around the topics he's ready for that for the questions are gonna answer and he's just hitting road bump bump bump that's important because I want you to pay attention to he's always always always we talk about baseline he's always recalling to his right always you may ask him a probing question he may go down to his left as he's having internal conversation nothing is ever up here nothing nothing is ever any place but here or here or straight on and it's really key here that you pay attention to this wrote as we move forward and I'll leave the rest to you guys because there's a ton in here but for me that's the most important piece we locked down right there okay mark what do you get yes so as always telling you guys earlier I've been working with somebody who's been sending me a video of them talking about a virtual experience and and there's some huge similarities around how they talk about that virtual experience and how they talk about real experiences that they've had and you could look at this person and go I think they're telling the truth and they are telling a truth of of sorts but how I know that it didn't really happen is that there's inconsistencies in the story the story doesn't make sense for the world as I know it now Lazar is because he's invoked the first law of thermodynamics doesn't it doesn't work anymore so all bets are off but let me just tell you what is inconsistent with the way I know the universe works I know that the universe has a level of consistency to it when I look at human beings they're roughly two arms two legs and a head in roughly the same place as me when I'm spotting aeroplanes and and I've seen some craft which are which are pretty new and pretty exciting it got wings they got a tail and there's there's there's stuff there and chase I know you know you were in the Navy if I know there are lots of different ships or boats out there but my guess would be is every one that you've seen has had some form of a hull there is a consistent raise of the eyebrows the Erinyes giving me a little slow blink there to say yeah they roughly all have a hull and even the ones that come out of the water the hull comes out of the water as the as the Aqua planes lift it out here's what is interesting there's nine different aircraft and they're all completely different they're all completely different I would suggest the universe doesn't work like that they would have some massive similarities to them massive similarities they'd have more similarities than they'd ever have differences because that's the way the universe works but here's the problem that theory doesn't work anymore because the first law of thermodynamics wasn't even functioning within this law so you can now come back at me and go Walmart just the universe when we're around these aircrafts these crafts the fundamental laws of physics do not apply anymore and that's a brilliant way that means that I can't touch this story I can't nudge this story I can't find the inconsistency in it because the fundamental laws aren't there and if I was trying to get somebody to be unable to crack my story the first thing I do is hit a fundamental law and and keep taking them back to that to say new rules don't apply on this one anyway that's that's my end on that one well that's good chase pray yeah I'll look for truth signals so on here let's start with that hit the way that he is using his rote memory as as Greg said and granted I think Greg for all four of us and probably thousands of our listeners has sold us and just even us and we're experts in the field I've been sold more than I ever happened before on the eye movement thing so we're seeing him go to home on a regular basis he's just looking that direction but the use of what I call body narration where he's narrating the story is talking about the craft and the circles in it and using his eyes and and looking at his hands which is important for body narration so somebody's describing something and their hands are just doing this they say oh as masses versus someone looking at it's just this massive space and their eyes and hands moved together he has that which is a pretty solid true signal one of the things that we see that might be deceptive here in in agreement with both of you guys that he's invoked this thing it is completely different all these crafts were completely different in another video he says they were slightly different in the video he did back in the 80s he describes him a little differently and that's kind of all we're seeing here we're seeing eyes and body moved together in unison which is a good true signal but we're also seeing if he was doing some kind of a visual recall of what these things look like his eyes probably wouldn't move to the exact same direction that he remembers getting a phone call oh guys just to give you an example all of you watching you've watched one more of our videos think of the first time you saw us which direction were each of us in and where were we on the panel just think for a minute of that think of this Andrew think of the thing that you remember most about it watch your eyes dance around your head they're gonna move to a visual accessing cue mark you just did it your eyes moved up you moved up into your into the visual cortex can't go into the back of your head so they start looking up to try to find space guys this is human behavior it's why we know when a story is full of it excellent all right but you guys covered pretty much everything but I'll do is and I want to say this about when we're giving people tips and we're saying here's what's happening here for example the other day when chase said here's the tears some tips on whatever it was he was saying we got a comment where somebody said why is chase giving you all tips on this and that the tips we give aren't for each other right we're giving it we do this so we can teach people how to do what we're doing it's they can see things pop out when we're talking about that we talked about they'll see tails and understand what they are so we say here's a tip on this or like why Greg just did but you prefaced it with with it's for everybody that's watching over the person watching that's what we're doing so when one of us says here's a tip for you it's not for us yeah I'll take all the help I can get I learned something in what's good about using for people we all approach this from a different angle and you know it keeps us from doing something that is just oh yeah and oh yeah and I think we will find things that are different so I think that's important point Oh Scott this is for you not for us yeah exactly because here are a couple of tips let's talk about illustrators for a bit illustrators are the the gestures you make with your hand with your eyebrows with your with your body when your brain is trying to emphasize specific words and phrases like I just did just save some specific words and phrases if I were to say specific words and phrases and my illustrators don't hit on those words then there's there's an issue there something's not as it should be so that's what we're seeing here when he's describing the damage that's done on this on the ship or on the craft as he calls it so we see that and then his illustrators most of them are right on the money but those that aren't start dealing around that the the damage and he also he says he talks about the damage he pushes it away as he's talking about him too he starts these illustrators that Perrin works his way down but they starts it looks like he's pushing away like he's pushing away as some people say he's pushing away you know you know the the false the deception where they believe that or not I don't know but so that's why we're seeing what we're seeing there and that's what sort of bugs me about that is seeing that and some not so it lets me know if I were to see someone tell me that if I was an interrogation situation I would know it wouldn't mean they're lying or telling the truth I would just know they're unsure about that information yes I work in business as much as anything and when I'm sitting across the table from someone and I hear them through a word away I want to know their commitment I'll probe and say don't you throw that away or what do you really mean by that because you're right it doesn't have to be an interrogation we all do this in the real world - I get I've had people ask me well isn't the real world different interrogation no it's not actually it is much more useful in the real world than when I'm sitting across from you and looking scary if I'm a normal guy talking to you not that I'm a normal guy but from God talking to you then it's a lot easier for me to use these tools and Scott I think you're dead on there that's the key Thanks now you said there's nine of them and you got a brief glimpse at the other ones were they how are they different Oh they looked completely different one looked like I called a jello mold and it it looked like a classic jello mold with the rippled sides to it one was a very flat disc you know like oh I don't like a straw hat or something like that that was sitting up on its edge and the thin part of it had looked like a projectile had been fired through the edge of it so I don't know if they were attempting to see if the metal could be penetrated or if something or if that's where the thing came from maybe it was shot down but that was the only one where I saw there was you know actual physical damage to it and that one was roughly the same size they're all high they were kind of too far away to tell all right ready good yeah there were nine total I only got to essentially work back engineer or analyze one of the craft but there was a separate hangar free to the craft and each one was essentially different in its visual appearance no no not at all that's a lot of people have speculated about it that they were either shot down or they crashed but the craft seemed undamaged so I doubt either of those would be correct all right chase what do you got so we see something here that I think is I'll give you the truthful part first back in this video he's doing this I haven't calculated the number of years colored AIDS prior 20 years some odd prior to his appearance on Joe Rogan same story different words that speaks to truth same story same words is more likely to be a rehearse story the deceptive part that I see in this interview if someone looks away not just with their eyes but with their skull so we see eyes and skull looking together as they're looking away they're retrieving some data or experiencing some kind of feeling that's when they'll start talking in this video we see a eye and head breakaway and then he looks back to deliver the information so I think this is the deliberate recall of something that he has memorized that it is not truthful excellent Greg what do you get yeah so you're starting now to see number one yes chase while I agree with you he is saying the same words he's using different facts this is in direct contradiction to what he says to Rogen there was damaging him one of these aircraft well he hasn't been there since for this so there's a fact issue right here you can't have you can't have multiple facts and one story that part I have a problem with number one just on the on his face but watch him I believe and I think this is 2009 wait until we're gonna go back to 1989 as well which is his first time and you're gonna see him building his story that thing that the Susan Lucci role he's playing now that he's played for 30 years that he knows that role inside out is building and every time he has probed and poked he's coming up with more details so that by the time he gets to Joe Rogan he is much more believable which is why if you watched Joe Rogan and you thought hey this guy's the real deal I I don't doubt it when you first look at it with face value without understanding his eyes are moving to the same spot constantly that he has developed this story over 30 years and he's playing Erica over and over and over you don't get the this piece of it so when you go in to look at him pay attention to he's moving around it's not just his head he's jitterbugging as he's trying to come up with answers for this guy there's almost a little amusement going on in his face as he does it and as we go further back you're gonna find even more of that as he's filling in these details that will become those permanent words that were talking about chase I think he's a master storyteller he missed his calling or maybe didn't he is a master storyteller I wish I believed him because like you said I really want to believe this I want to believe we gots me some little guys are telling us how to do the world better sitting in a cave somewhere I just don't think so yeah that's good the thing about the moving around the chair and he's nodding every time he starts talking about the nut the nine ships now that he's given that confirmation of yeah he's dead I on this guy he's also wiggling around his chair as he's doing it so shows a little bit nervous about it but at the same time trying to make sure he sells it well you know that's all I've got you guys got everything mark what do you got yeah so one of the things you might want to do if you if you're looking for somebody and and that they may be nervous around deceit is put them in a chair that moves easily because you will find they'll start swinging on that thing they'll tip it around and do all kinds of stuff if you've given them furniture where they can lock themselves in really hard they'll be looking more calm and assertive in this one we don't get the super calm and assertive you know modern bob lazar we got a mid period bob lazar here you know the artist known as and and he's doing a great job but we've got we've got some of those vocal tics coming in which again is is it gives him time to come up with this story still making a sound it clears that the throat there because it's getting a bit dries under stress and pressure so and look out for that rhythm as well think about Scott's idea bear of the loping you know it's got a rhythm it's got a smooth gallop to it it suddenly gets very sticky in areas around this now we do see it in in some of the stuff with with Joe Rogan it does hit he does hit that again and and what he does and again this is a beautiful technique that you must pay attention to what he does is he starts to say that he's got a migraine when he gets off his strawberry it starts to say I've got a migraine and he's already prepared this because he's told everybody in the studio and his partner there that there's a migraine going on it's very like very gala used to do Uri Geller if it was going wrong for him would say I don't feel strong tonight I don't feel strong and and migraines though we do know a lot about why they exist and how you get them it's one of those things you can't touch you can't go come on man it's just a migraine like come on pull yourself together it's just a migraine the moment somebody says I've got a migraine we all you know back off and go okay okay well almost everything yeah interrogate me now I've got a migraine can you you know take it easy on me yeah of course of course you'd still go for it anyway I just wanted to bring that up in that he's he's using the mid-period he's doing pretty well certainly a lot better than we see in the early pier where we will start to see the mouth really moving about all over the place but could check in with that some of that Joe Rogan's stuff to see where he starts to invoke the idea of a nodding good physical or mental shape right now and that's why you might feel some inconsistency in my ideas that's my take on it yeah and I know that that Jason Greg will agree with me on this because an interrogation training when you talk about when someone said market it around on the mail Ned the dream situation for someone they're sitting situation is a chair that swivels so with wheels on it I don't mean which that's this that just met be wonderful if we made that the law because that did you learn so much from that you know a lot of times if I'm doing if I get to do a lot of financial things and so in those rooms they've got those really nice chairs and you sit there and talk to their wavelet all over the place and that leg gets to going on it's it's it's beautiful so yeah Mike yeah you nailed that one time there were nine total I only got to essentially work back engineer or analyze one of the craft but there was a separate hanger for each of the crafts and each one was essentially different in its visual appearance no no not at all that's a lot of people have speculated about it that they were either shot down or they crashed but the craft seemed undamaged so I doubt either of those would be correct everybody good yeah one of the nine flying discs he says he saw at the base which was designated s for looks exactly like this UFO photographed in Europe Lazar called it the sport model I gave everything simple names there's a top hat one and you know I the jello mold and the sport model and then operated you know without any hitches at all I mean it looked new if I can if I know what a new flying saucer looks like one of them look like it was hit with some sort of projectile it had a large hole in the bottom and a large hole in the top with a metal bent out like some sort of one you know large-caliber four or five inch projectile had gone through it okay well right here though you guys got a ton of stuff about this one but he didn't when he talks about the specifics of the hole we remember on the Joe Rogan one he talks about how this ship was on its edge and I can see that he doesn't do this number because he says it came from the bottom went up but he would have said from the side this way so that tells me that's an inconsistency there again I want to believe this guess tell the truth but this shows me deception in the comparative view of the past and any present talking about that and he uses his hands to create to create that picture like like as Chase was saying before that's so important because he's he's building me I don't know if he's looking at him I didn't notice that but he's he's creating that picture in your mind so you'll have that as he tells the story that's why he's a good storyteller as well Gregg because as he tells the story he builds it and he starts making pictures for you again when we're building pitches for entrepreneurs one of the things you do is you want to build that a picture they can take out of their head and then go home and pop it in their wife's head or their husband's head because they're gonna say did you what did you do and today you're gonna invest in whatever it was I'm thinking about it yeah why because if you're gonna put 300 grand or 1.2 million in that thing you've got to be able to explain that to your person yes you got to be able to nail so that sounds good to me because you're not patient to the husband is alive for the other person you're pitching to that person and you've got to give him something to take home and that's what he's doing he's giving us some things to take home and think about later we think about that whole not this but in the other one you say it should have been that way if that makes sense no chase what do you got I I agree and I will say in disagreement with one thing that the building the pictures I would not classify as a strong deceptive behavior I speak like that naturally you know I write I write fiction so when I talk about stories I want you I want you in it so if I'm telling you about some cool party I'm telling you about the tow and the kids on the on the boat in the tube I'm gonna I'm gonna try and get you in there as much as I can I'm gonna talk about the wake and all the boats out there on the lake on the 4th of July all that's gonna be in there in the inconsistency that you pointed out Scott in this video I imagined a ground artillery unit shooting a 5-inch shell upward through the craft in his previous one on Joe Rogan I imagine them performing this test in the lab from the side so I think that's a very interesting thing to take note of it's a good data point here and I will and I've waited for who knows what reason to challenge Greg on on the wrote and maybe I'm scared I've been reading Greg for 10 years before I had to meet guys here we go why just do this memorization hmm I think there is a possibility that this guy as brilliant as he is I think he may be on the spectrum wait wait till the next video so with this possibility this this rote memorization could be a result of him from the age of four onward building a mask and how people like to hear stories how do mom and dad what makes their eyebrows go up what makes him squeeze me all of this were developing math so he's just remembering techniques to communicate instead of being deceptive and I'm just saying that that's a possibility I'm not saying that there's an absence of deception and you know what so I accept the challenge and love that I do think that there are anomalies right I would not say this is a guy doing this except you'll see in the next few videos he's not always been that way and once you memorize here's the problem guys cover stories cover stories I'm gonna show you very quickly why a cover story doesn't work when I remember something I remember the 9th word of the star-spangled banner or the fifth word a stairway to heaven whatever word it is and yours try to remember that watch your eyes 90% of you're gonna go slightly up into your tier left 10% of them slightly up into your right that's just the way we're wired it's not absolute you have to figure it out and every person gonna ask you another question remember your kindergarten teacher what did he or she look like watch your eyes dance up into your head as you recall a visual cue and it's gonna be left or right that's how we work that's how we are wired none of us do this we don't all go to the same auditory cue over and over and over but but and mark you being an acting coach and an actor you know this people who act people I call it play-acting people who play act don't have emotions they have words people who act internalize it and it comes out as part of who they are and so they feel in their eyes move and they they sense and it's how you can tell a good actor from a bad one the people who just memorize lines they all got in and in and in and then because they're repeating a line watch a bad actor on stage go to a high school play when look for the good actors and the bad actors the bad ones are going to be staying there regurgitating Shakespeare that did that that that that with no feeling the guys who get it they're they're feeling what they're saying because they're internalizing it and so watch this guy because what you're gonna see is in his younger years when you ask him a question he doesn't know the answer to he's going to have to go and make it up in his eyes are going to deviate dramatically from what he's doing on Joe Rogan watch and I think yes there can be deviations and I agree with you chase hundred percent a person can have an anomaly of a body language and you have to look for it that's why we looked for it we got it you'll see it excellent chase I agree with you on the other part about when you're there you're building those things he knows that that's why it's creating that picture for you to take home if I'm not a visual guy look tiny little eyes big ears I'm an auditory guy I love stories that have to your both your points that have details because I don't care about looking at things I care about one to know what happened how it went and that kind of thing so both you're right I mean it's about building a picture and I agree with you he knows that he's building a picture for you to take home Scott did I do yeah bar do you want to gang up on the chase with us no not at all that if someone is memorizing a mask or building a mask they'll still go to a memorized line or a memorized pattern of behavior which could make their eyes move in the same direction sure yeah but all all this memorization going the same place all the time is why cover stories don't work because when I asked what you did last Tuesday and you go to Victorian memory yeah then we see a deviate yeah wherever you go you may be about to see yeah so I would say one of the biggest differences for me this is early artist bob lazar compared to the artists that we have right now go and watch him now and there is a smoothness to it there's a calm assertiveness to it rather like you get from a quality performer okay in this early early version it's super staccato and think about when chase was telling us about the wake of the boat and how smooth that was and the end yet chase I think your your accident is originally maybe text and I'm not quite sure but but in Texas does have you know a smoothness to him even so chase was elongating the words because he wanted to make sure that we really felt it as well Bob in this last video is super staccato he's just trying to get through it now what he does do in both of these is is what we call nested loops where he starts a story doesn't finish it starts another doesn't finish it and then drops into something where he finishes that and that what that causes us to do is to grab hold of anything that he that he gives us the US has has a president at the moment which uses those same nested loops as well so we kind of go what was that about what was that oh that bit that bit I get and it gives a great deal of satisfaction and it means well will grab hold of elements of story that normally we'd go you are not that hasn't seemed accurate to me so we've got to know that throughout this this this work that Bob Lazar has been doing he's been skilled to an extent right from the start it's just when he gets in front of Joe Rogan arguably biggest show on earth right now like stakes are high and Joe Rogan needs to keep that high because Joe Rogan now has one of the best rating shows so of course you got to get Bob Lazar on of course it's like it's an act it's the act you got to get have Bob Lazar on on the show and and at that point Bob's a serious player now a serious player and that's why when I look through the majority of how he's talking I think like like chase and I think like everybody else I see some incredible elements of truth to it I'll be his champion here for just a second when he did say realm he did preface that what this is a very poor way to describe this we guys you watch him this is my only little snippet about him not about mine and your fear back and forth chase a couple of things he is moving around he is accessing his eyes are going up left that you don't see at any point in the Joe Rogan's story now either one of two things is true if he's recalling and his eyes are going here then he is not recalling when he is going here so one or the other of those is deceptive and clearly deceptive and you don't have to believe in eye movement you just have to believe that baseline matters you don't have to believe that what I do works but you do have to believe that if a person always does this and they suddenly stop that means something we all believe that and you're gonna find give you a great thing to do on the Rogan show turn it on fast forward and turn the sound off and watch him touch his face I got a list of where he touches his face they're all contentious issues that means something does it always mean something no but if he only does it when it's contentious it means something you know if even if he watches this and then we see him again we're gonna be a while this cat I'm into the show we'd love to have you yeah no kidding yeah that would be great wouldn't it yeah we'd love to see it and prove us wrong yeah one of the nine flying discs he says he saw at the base which was designated s for looks exactly like this UFO photographed in Europe Lazar called it the sport model I gave everything simple name so there's a top hat one and you know I the jello mold and the sport model operated you know without any hitches at all I mean it looked new if I can if I know what a new flying saucer looks like one of them look like it was hit with some sort of projectile it had a large hole in the bottom and a large hole in the top with the metal bent out like some sort of you know large-caliber four or five inch projectile had gone through it all right everybody good yeah let's move so you were seeing what it could do but you couldn't ever figure out how it was doing it no not really I mean we really we really could only use a come up with a best guess and no I can't say we really write that I could absolutely State for certainly a certainty how anything actually worked all right Greg you wanna go first yeah this one is a little different he's asking the question a direct question did anybody hear an answer no I to me this is a red flag kind of an answer and there quite a few of these in Rogen's respond in his response to Rugman he stammers and he's looking for space he stares at him he moves his eyes around but he really doesn't have anything to add back this is a follow-on I think to hey what did you do every day but in this one I don't see him answering anything I see him deferring the question dancing around pushing away into your point mark I think this is one of the places where he said I have a migraine and he backs away from it his force field because he's just lost the ability to answer but again look if I'm thinking about how much work I put into something I would expect to see an emotional or some other kind of a I put a lot of work into him we didn't discover anything there's a lot of inconsistencies in this whole story among my favorites and you can take this error leave it in is how did you turn the thing on you put this little dome over this little tower for the reactor and it came on and then you couldn't touch it well how the hell do you turn it off if that's the case if you can't take the film back off how do you turn it off so there's a whole lot of weirdness in this story that a good interrogator go hold on I'm not smartest guy in the world but if that's how you turn it on how you turn it off and you don't have to put that in but there's a lot of that that goes on in this story because to your point mark well of course it's a spaceship it's a different thing and I agree with you on the flag that's that's that there's he's trying to find his usual spot he's been placed in his spot to answer a question but there's no place to redirect he can't get ahold of it yet I don't think I could tell the chase is gonna come in to go what do you got chase actually agree on on the counts here so in in you guys have all seen my behavioural table of elements it's my stab at creating maybe the first system the only system I was just trying to codify deception and human behavior just just my attempt at it and in on that behavioral table we say we've got to have a score of an 11 for deception to be about pretty much very likely and right here we have an 8 so we see two behaviors that are a score a four which is the highest score that one behavior can get so the first one we see a non-answer if you ask someone a question and they don't answer directly that is a non answer statement so it's not an answer and second we see something called a postural retreat where at the end here I think just after this video he kind of leans back and he's a little bit resigned and it's it's almost a kind of a defensive gesture we see Nixon do this when he says I'm not a crook and he steps back from the podium crosses his arms so we see this postural retreat that happens after the deceptive statement which is when it's most likely to happen so we see two of those which give him the score of an 8 out of an 11 so we have most likely deception for this excellent mark where you go ask one question of chase first you hello element 115 on your chart yeah you need to you need to add a new a new gesture to element but the elements only last from four microseconds in the in the in the real universe but in bob lazar universe we've got boxes don't get a big long be obtainable it's the unobtainable by the way I do want to say if for everybody watching get chases table of elements it's really really be careful of that you gotta be careful because though my front lobe got pummeled after when I first got that I said you gotta be kidding me how long does that take man he'll take two yeah here's I'm yours I think what before we let mark finish up this wing this is a great opportunity each of us has a very different approach to get to the same thing and what we want you to hear is the reason we like working with each other I'm the sharp stick and a sandy beach guy I want to quick get my answer right now when I profile people I'm like why is that different I'm not I don't do something as methodical as chased us every one of us brings a little different twist to this which is why I think we're great team and I really applaud that Thanks lovely thanks babe yeah watch it don't raid your house let me tell you what I see here is he's asked how does it work and here's what happens is that Joe Rogan sets him up for the here's how it works routine and Lazar packs the hell out basically is going I don't do that routine anymore I don't do the how it work acts anymore and the reason I think he doesn't do that is we now know too much about Higgs bosons and particle accelerators and your general layperson has a pretty good idea because what he's what insane earlier stuff is you have to remember antigravity it it warps time and space okay so so people didn't know that at that time so when he says you have to remember he's basically telling you all bets are off because this is gravity and gravity will walk everything so we don't buy that anymore because we know a little bit better as lay people how this science works I don't think you'd get Bob Lazar anymore to tell you how it works and he would have told you 20 years ago exactly how it and that is a red flag for me yeah and in that flag you'll see him panicking as I think that's what we're seeing as well but he starts that before he starts getting back and starts closing down his illustrator from the get kill on that his illustrators are small he hardly moves you see some move which you can't tell exactly what it is and he and his illustrator somewhere on but they're very small compared to what he usually does when he answers so you finish the sentence yeah yeah so you were seeing what it could do but you couldn't ever figure out how it was doing it no not really I mean we really we really could only use a come up with a best guess and no I can't say we really write that I could absolutely state for certainly a certainty how anything actually worked all right pretty good no not really no nothing that said well this is the way things work there there there was mention of alien intervention in in the past I mean it extremely long ago something along the lines of I have millions of years ago for the information that that I looked at it seems that and there again these are briefing documents so I can't I can't myself a certain whether or not these are true I can only assume it because the briefing documents I read that pertain to the propulsion system were true because I I dealt with that but they did make reference to contact with the earth over ten thousand years ago also with genetic alterations that ended in a simian being and all kinds of claims all right yeah right the gate there he starts when he asked him that question he starts off with no basically it's not much at all and he starts getting into history of humankind starts talking about things that had millions of years ago that were in this the documents weren't ever he's talking about in there then he goes on to talk about how there it goes talked about 10,000 years and becoming seventy simian beings and it's like you gotta be kidding me this yeah and I he's creating that on the fly I think we're seeing him make that up his gills because who would ask him that before how would he thought that up so I think we're seeing create something as it goes so Greg as to your I accessing wherever he's looking there he's looking down to his right I think not just right that's creating right there man well yeah but emotional content right it is that's a I'm on the ropes move that's not he's creating intellectually he's on the ropes right when I get you and start punching you in the gut you go to emotion you're his brain is kind of jumping around like a squirrel in the road a little bit he starts off with not really but tongue out and this is not a grooming boob this is a oh and then he goes to internal conversation scrambling back and forth anytime you're looking at somebody in there down and they're back and forth they are rent they're scrambling back and forth with internal conversation watch his respiration increase its Manek he's all chase you always say it he's breathing heavily in his upper chest and his respiration increases he starts to distance and push himself further and further away from whatever he's going to say but saying this was in something somebody else had written and so I can attest out true it is but I can attest to how true what I read and my side was well huh why would you have reason to doubt that number one he's pushing himself up even puts his force field up as he holds his hands up and says figuratively I can't be held responsible for that this is prime this is early in the game early enough he's not gotten to rote memory and he's still defending himself it's got a hope we have I think we have one in here of even earlier like 1989 when he's really young and he's moving his eyes around and all that but he is scrambling that that's scrolling Road right there you see him go down right he's had an internal conversation and feeling it and you can see the respiration increase in the dodging and ducking and then the force field right mark where do you go yes so this is the early artists that work very much and and and by the time we get to Rogan he's masterful and he's had all these questions this is the artist sketching it out it's like he hasn't had this question before and the the interviewers kind of gone do you have a song about flowers and he's gone no I don't do flowers and then he's gone yeah actually right now all right how does it begin so this except one so non-verbally what we get at the star is lots of vocal tics we got lots of shrugs we've got this this side one side of the mouth stretching out here in the really early version he'll go from side to side to side to side he's super nervous early on but he's you know he's he's written a few of these songs already and so they've gone down really well it just hasn't done this one so here's what so is inconsistency for a star millions of years tens of thousands of years the document can't have said both okay then he excuses the document by going some of the document may have been just false information for security reasons so there's a get out of that like pay no attention to that line that lines a bit rubbish and there's a good reason why there and then I think here's what happens he gets into the rhythm of it and he gets into the rhythm of it because he starts to do very basic Universal mythology or what you'd hear um erich von daniken do I think who was writing in the sixties previous he starts to regurgitate I think some of the von dankun stories essentially and the idea of that the mating of the ethereal thing with the human thing in order to get something superior and yet human it's the God's mating with it's it's its fire from the gods it's from History Channel yeah exactly it's Prometheus and and of course that's a that's a beautiful interesting story and and it hits us on a very fundamental level and so we kind of tune into that and go well we'll forgive you that this is clearly the first time you've ever written this song that's a good song I like this however badly you sing the song the premise of the song is a beautiful song the gods the gods made love to us and they and we had children it's the great it's a great song so so you know good good good good ish early work but easily the sir easy to see he had never written this one before and again I don't think you get him singing that song now I think if you go to the the Rogen show I'm not you know I I don't think he he starts he does that number he's not doing that album anymore chase pretty good he's taking that off his set list yep yeah and Mark we call those hew millions anything that's the term for that yes I think there is self-deception mark don't you watch our videos man not nearly enough not nearly enough okay every Thursday okay chase Simon I do think there's some deception here and uh uh I agree with everything you guys said I'm not gonna just piggyback on to it but if you saw the history of mankind you're not gonna be kicked back in a chair I wish I was wearing glasses like he was like you guys are cuz that'd be like oh holy crap let me tell you what I saw in these papers it's gonna blow your mind that would be my reaction that I would be so excited to tell you this is why we're here experimentations DNA modification that goes back millions oh wait thousands of years to create who we are today and then it was a nervous contrived conversation well you didn't have an answer is really what it boils down to I think you point nothing in his setlist and he just has to reach around and pull it out and when he does what he finds is not not easy to describe so he's rambling and making up stuff and just pulling words together you know we talked about AI being able to tell deception none of these words would find their way into an AI pattern II just stuff he's scrambling okay does anybody see this little hair up here looks like I've got an antenna I dunno I can't I can't not look at it now you shouldn't have said that I know it's like I got a direct line to that woman we talked like you're attached to a particle accelerator right now vandegraaff you talking to me that's what energy weapon [Music] history of mankind and a boyfriend in the history of mankind no not really nothing that said well this is the way things work there there there was mention of alien intervention in in the past I mean it extremely long ago something along the lines of I have millions of years ago for the information that that I looked at it seemed that and there again these are briefing documents so I can't I can't myself a certain whether or not these are true I can only assume it because the briefing documents I read that pertain to the propulsion system were true because I I dealt with that but they did make reference to contact with the earth over ten thousand years ago also with genetic alterations that ended in a simian being and all kinds of claims good yeah as serious it's difficult to to really surmise how long it had been operational everything did look fairly new by that I mean I don't think this installation was there in the early 70s nothing was worn things look fairly freshly painted so you know as a ballpark guess I would say it would it would really surprise me if the installation was older than five seven ten years something like that mark where do you go yeah so this is where we say super early days for him sides of the mouth one side goes out the other side goes up the other side goes up the other side goes up he's all over the place here's what I'd say that you should do watching this is think about just listening to what he's talking about there just listen to it at the end of listening to it think does that feel does that seem credible is there some doubt in my instinct around this they go back and watch it and notice what simply showing an aerial photograph of maybe area 51 I don't even know whether at that point any aerial photographs available but something just showing something that seems to be solid if we want to believe in this idea and even if we don't it lends such credibility when we show that aerial photograph even just take that aerial photograph out and watch him again and think do I does this feel credible does it seem credible to me understand media knows that we all love to watch these stories and we love it when they feel really credible I mean look we're doing an episode ourselves because we know we love doing it you love watching it it's a brilliant brilliant story but just take out some of those I guess very firm ideas of credibility and it just starts to fall to bits and I think that's what happens here early days for him and there is nothing that he's saying that really finishes or has any tonality or any body language of credibility around it from my point of view I don't know whether you guys see anything else that's ok with you completely because if you were to just when you just listen to it all you hear is the stop and start and stop and start and it's really true and whether he's making that part up there on the spot I don't know but it it just that just automatically sends bells and whistles off in my world for that I can't I can't get past that chase what do you got but I think he's doing here is waiting for a nod from the interviewer that he's that his statements complete so this stop and start I think is the interviewers are staring at it so he keeps looking back to the interviewer and saying oh crap I'm not done yet the walls were freshly painted and it looked like a pretty new building looks back to the interviewer and I would I would probably guess the building was this many years old so I think that he's not getting much back from the interviewer so he's continuing to go which is a fantastic tactic for you Scott as an interrogator I'm giving you guys advice and no one else if you're in an interrogation and you just maintain that silence you would be shocked at how stuff keeps keeps coming out but what happens when you do that silence as you'll see a stop start stop start of information and and you got to be brave to do the silence think it's it's one thing to read about it on a LinkedIn job interview article it's a whole other deal to do it in real life and it's not like this is an eternity oh yeah you're not kidding because that's when they started adding what he did what you're explaining is he's adding those qualifiers to it yeah that's that's that's we talked about that in our last video I think Helen you just pause in what you ask the question just sit there to keep looking and they'll start adding things to it that's when we talked about breaking eye contact with all those types of things Greg what do you got but that's advanced interrogation now guys here's where I'm gonna show you that Bob Lazar is not telling you the truth this is gonna be really easy for you to make a decision about forget us you're gonna go back after you watch this and watch Joe Rogan Joe Rogan on that show Joe Rogan asked good hard questions and forces this guy to answer them and when he answers them he does that rote memory thing almost every time when he gets in a bind his eyes dodge away to his left now go back watch what we just watched it's bigger than simply request for approval and he does plenty of that where he raises his forehead and stares right at I'm staring a chase on my screen to try to get approval but it's bigger than that when he is saying it the reason he's stuttering through it is he goes to his visual construct watch him his eyes go up hard and to his left as he's making up the details about freshly-painted and then he shops his answer something we've talked about in past videos it's three four it's five it's seven years but he's up left accessing creating what it looked like so he can describe it pulls back down looks dead at you now that could be his baseline for truth if it is then this isn't that he's doing on Rogan all the time what in fact I'm seeing here is you hit it dead on this is the infant version mark this is the infant version of Lazar and he's creating the story and people are helping him he's shopping the story there they're poking holes in it he's filling in the hole this is our cover stories working not gonna think as you fill him in then he's got it down the road and he just didn't do it and he backs away he chaffs and redirects all the things we're talking about earlier go back and watch him now using that and you'll see a very different thing than you saw watching him without all that knowledge I'm gonna bring a point point to I agree with the other percent I don't bring up one point about that thing mark was talking about where his mouth keeps going he does that from day one he does it he doesn't know both sides and in the front at day one I guess we'll call a 1989 interview but did you see him he does it on every interview that he's in so I I think and I'm bringing it up because I think most people will think that the only on the people who aren't as deep into the stuff as we are thinking I think that's duping delight or duper's deal i and I don't think that's what we're seeing there we sweeten up with Tom's yeah but that's probably that's part of what he's doing it's easier as you know his I was a little tick or whatever but he keeps he does that quite often so I I saw want to point that out because just kept bugging the squat out of me but because I know people say oh it's duper's delight but I don't believe that's what it is Jason so I agree that's I've seen body language experts on on YouTube say this is duper July there's contempt facial expression it's just a it's your baseline zones quirky yeah it's just a quirky dude I would I would just add to that what's great about when you see with him with Rogan is he's softened a lot of that he's so much more calm and assertive okay that's that's why he gives such a good performance in the Rogen show he locks himself down he's in a locks his chair down pretty much locks his face down to a certain extent and it's only when he gets asked to do routines that he doesn't want to do anymore because they would be easier to take take apart that he seems to have an issue with it it there's an interesting thing as you watch him through here they go to this that's accepted science and you know you'll they'll use things like well gravity waves he first talked about him and they weren't proven well Einstein talked about gravity waves and he's been dead longer than we've been live so let's not pretend that because something's been proven that he talked about that he invented it but that's one of their go twos to redirect and pull you back into it and they even even get Rogan on at one time where he talked about gravity waves not being discovered until 2016 and he was talking about in 89 but that's a misdirect yeah well you'll see the Rogen show what happens later on is they talk about a a device that can measure the bones in your hand to tell that it's it's I used to run a company right so so so here's the thing what happens with that is because they produce a real one and because then Bob is able to go there you see I told you now everything's true but that's not how logic works that's like me saying you know I rode for Cambridge in the Oxford and Cambridge and you go but there's no details about that and then suddenly and you can't get any history of history of me ever in a rowing club but then suddenly somebody comes along with an oar with my name on it and I go you see and all with my name on therefore everything is correct no it just means there's an oar with your name on so because and it's a it's a it's a brilliant way and I think that is kind of purposely revealed in the Rogen show later on in order that it makes everything that we've heard before accurate and correct I think you know I have a big fan watching this I'm a big fan of of Bob Lazar because he's brilliant what he what he does in the same way that Yuri galleries is is brilliant and was brilliant in his in his time I mean there's a there's a very specific lie there which he's telling you stuff that isn't true but sometimes the story the beauty of the story is more important of whether it's a lie or not I would I would say the idea that it might be possible you know I just like you guys I would love to live in a world where alien life is possible and so somebody tells me a decent story about it I'm open to the story I'm open to living in the idea of it now is it true well from Bob's and from looking at Bob his story isn't true that's not that's not true my might it be generally true that aliens exist I'd actually just don't know I'd love it if they did and I'm open to some information or or evidence of it I just don't think he has it so let me go back just really quick just to finish up what I was saying that when we see the evolution of behavior from his younger videos to nowadays we see an evolution of showmanship but I think another thing we could potentially be seeing is the evolution of a mask that was created by somebody that might be on the spectrum because we can see that in an adult who's on the spectrum when they're 50 which is Silicon Valley is is full of those kinds of people and they get more and more socially intelligent and very sharpened to understand exactly what people need to see and hear as as they age which I'm only presenting as a possibility here I will say this that's entirely a possibility I don't think as much engagement as he had socially in the beginning I think what brought him to the game is that ability to socially engage because if you watch his earlier stuff the guy's engaging he is very engaging there's a smirk to him all the time but he's engaging and you don't typically think of people in the spectrum as being that engaged you also don't think of a lot of that right and he's got a lot of that his face is a circus early in the thing because of these eyebrows were seeing too much eyebrow movement for that as well it's possible yes but I don't think he is that guy definitely possibility but if you are watching this video one of the things that one of the interviewers could have done as US interrogators sometimes do it's called the incomplete leading questions or incomplete questions and we say so then you walk in the building and Rogin puts that lien some of that yeah I've heard a couple of those we didn't have any here and in our flips I'm reviewed but those are fantastic they're not necessarily leading questions because you're not putting information there so you're saying you guys left and then everybody bridge I'm just kind of done you leave that gap there for the other person to fill in and that is a very powerful questioning technique that you can use today if you like well alright well that's everything so why don't we throw around the room run around one time and we'll give her ones perspective on what you think the percentage of truth is versus deception Greg you and go first yeah so I'm not even going to pretend that I believe there's truth in this story I'm not gonna pretend that he worked in an alien aircraft Factory I'm not gonna pretend any of that what I'm going to tell you is fantastic job of storytelling really masterful he knows his routine you watch him if you hadn't seen the earlier stuff where you're seeing him access and think and create on the fly you wouldn't know that he is just repeating something he's rehearsed over and over that's why I called him Susan Lucci he's been doing the same role for 35 years he should be good at it and he should get better and he's maturing and he is stabilizing it so he doesn't move around as much as you do when you're young it's part of what we see when I interrogate a general I wouldn't expect the same thing I got from a private right very different mindset very different level of calm it doesn't make me believe him anymore it makes me believe him less that he always goes to the same place I'm gonna leave you with this eye movement is contentious the four of us have differing opinions of it at times I'm gonna tell you that you can't have it both ways you can't have a baseline that says I always go here except when I'm asked a hard question then I go there mark what do you get yeah I love Bob Lazar I especially like him on the Joe Rogan show because he does such a masterful job on that apart from a few areas so yet great entertainer great interviewee has he ever seen an alien spacecraft no no he just hasn't it's not happened chase where you go I think he believes some of this and I think there may be some truth to the fact that he did work in a building or had a security clearance for something like this which helps him to catapult the rest of his own belief in the rest of the story I think we're at 5050 truth and deception here and it's just from the videos we watch it's not a hundred percent to say which is deceptive and which is truthful but I think that he does believe a lot of what he's saying that's why we're not seeing a lot of stress and emotion there when he's responding to interviewers all right well I think we're seeing I think we're seeing a combination of truth and deception I was Greg I'm not gonna pretend I believe that this cat saw a bunch of spaceships at all and the the I liked you know we a lot of the comments we get are did you not do your research and all the killers cat where we talked about when we first before we started recording we talked about his past and things have been going on but a person has a past that's chock-full of deception and the ways his was you know I I believe that's what we're seeing we're seeing somebody who knows how much tells story because their background shows they've been telling those stories for a long time not just since he was a kid but as an adult as well after he'd already come out with this was when he got in some some trouble as well and I don't think he's I don't think he saw his spaceships I don't think he saw the maps he's talking about I don't think he saw any of that I think he's just creating a story and that's what we're seeing great guy awesome storyteller I don't really on that one but I don't I don't think we're seeing I don't think I don't think this happened the way he says it happened or that happened to him like that love us or hate us that's what we saw yeah we call them like we see him if we see deception we'll say we see deception here here and here if we see truth we say we see truth here here and here we're not on anybody's side like chase said I want there to be UFO so bad I want to see little green man I was there gray man I want to see all that I want to be truth I want that to happen we're not detectives as Greg says we're just relaying how things look to us and that's it right thanks sir everything good yeah yeah that was a fun one actually yeah see you guys are the next week good question I wanted to bring up in the video why are aliens always always naked when they're being described what if that is the spacer what if that's the suit well yeah because we're thinking about 1960s technology with a big butt but I see stuff like that that makes me think maybe that's their uniform in other words

Channel: The Behavior Panel

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Id: jIHsxQH77TY

Length: 82min 22sec (4942 seconds)

Published: Wed Jul 08 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/Koffap]

I think that analyzing Lazar this many years and likey hundreds of interviews after he allegedly worked at S4 is of little interest. I would find it more valuable if they pulled one his earliest interviews and analyzed the body language on that since the events would have been fresh at the time.

[u/[deleted]]

I’ve watched a few of these behavioural analyst videos and guess what... their conclusions are just as varied as everyone else’s.

Some insist he appears to be entirely genuine based on his behaviour, others say he exhibits textbook deceptive behaviour.

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[u/jetboyterp]

Regardless of body language, all the evidence points to Lazar as a liar. Haven't seen this vid, but recently watched another body language vid that left out a lot and was selectively biased to support Lazar. Hope this one is more honest and complete.

[u/ShihPoosRule]

It won’t matter, most everyone has made up their minds one way or the other.

[u/gageallen1]

I have not watched this clip yet, but I have a good idea of what will be said due to my studies in human psychology.

Let me start this off by stating that I don’t believe Lazar worked on any alien technology. He’s either a sociopath or he became the perfect pawn for government manipulation.

The reason I feel so strongly about my second point is that he always seemed like he was telling the truth from a body-language standpoint. Most cons in the ufology business ALWAYS display some sort of tell that they’re spewing a bunch of BS. In my eyes, he never really did that (other than just being awkward af).

HOWEVER, if he was not a pawn, then he undoubtedly is a sociopath. And honestly that’s just as disturbing, considering what happened with his wife 😬