The Berkshires UFO — 5 of The World's Top Body Language Experts Weigh In.

it is not in Virginia Beach today oh yeah yes it was I went out for a run and it was 92 here no no and humid just a rotten day for a run but you gotta do it you just like the idea that you went out for a run last time I ran anyway and I'll just take you to stop throwing up and you finish running yes I spent my whole life trying to avoid running career zips when I was at school basically you'd go into a room and they would say army or army or Navy because there was no way you were ever getting into the Air Force and I would go is there running involved and they're like it was like no neither well should we get started and always get shits and giggles during this thing sorry I'm Scott rasmalai language expert and analysts that trained law enforcement in the military interrogation body layers I'm also a trial consultant keynote speaker chase chase use I teach nonverbal communication persuasion influenced in 20 years in US military also teach interrogation and trial science here in the US mark hi there I'm Matt Bowden I'm an expert in human behavior and body language I help people all over the world to stand out win trust gain credibility every time they communicate including some of the leaders of the g7 and Greg I'm Greg Hartley on my former army interrogator interrogation trainer and resistance to interrogation trainer I've written a few books on body language and behavior and I'm now mostly tied up with corporate America and Wall Street we have a guest today we have Leena Cisco I've known Lina I'm gonna say 15 years I think I met you when you're 9 sometime around there so I've known Lina about 15 years Lina has a great military background in addition to all of her body language expertise in that she was an interrogator at Gitmo and she's one of the most accomplished folks I know in terms of body language and behavior I often endure when I introduce Lina I often say the lovely and wickedly talented Lina Cisco thank you Oh Lina Cisco and I'm a former Intel officer I'm also a former Marine Corps certified interrogator I had been training law enforcement Special Forces for decades and interrogation elicitation detect deception on the keynote speaker published a couple of books and gave a TED talk excellent well it's a handful all right so what we're doing today is we're gonna talk about the show berkshire video or Berkshires UFO from the Netflix show and uh unsolved mysteries then we're gonna take a look at his name Jane Green and she's gonna talk about what happened to her in 1969 it's Scott can I add one thing here yeah something we were gonna talk about we we read in your comments because we do read your comments and try to answer as many questions as we can that we seem biased when we start these videos well what we want you to know is we probably watch these videos a lot more than you're ever going to before we come to this thing so it means that you're reading body language and you know that we've already made up our mind by the time we convert that's great news for us we'll try not to do it so much so that it doesn't it's not off-putting for you but we've probably spent three hours of these videos before you ever see them okay yeah okay great also that's good to keep in mind as we go through this when we're talking about things we see that are we think they're truth floors or perceived deception will tell you we'll say we think this is truthful because of this system this we think this is deception because of this system this will tell you I will tell you what we're doing also keep in mind we don't lean either way politically we all go either way we don't care where they're from who they are or what they've done or what they're accused of doing or what they're claiming has happened to them we don't we're not biased in any way that's not what we do for a living and that's not all we teach people to do so keep in mind we go right down the middle and we calm like we see them and as we give you'll hear us give tips on you know we'll say Oh illustrators do this or else traitors do that when we say that or we start or we'll say here's what I see is this and we start explaining what it is we're not explaining that to each other there were a couple of comments of thought we were explaining that to each other we're explaining it for the person who's watching this that wants to learn about body language and human behavior that's the only reason because if not we're just gonna be talking and you really boring for someone who doesn't know what we're talking about so that's what we're doing we're explaining the tips art for us to give each other there that we're giving them to the person who's watching who wants to learn about body language so alright well let's get to the first video of Jane Green it was just beyond dusk it was getting really dark and I was coming back from Stockbridge to Great Barrington the only person in the car with me was married to grace who's passed away now she was my girlfriend we were just the two of us we were driving down and I saw a lot of lights in my head and I said there must have been an accident there must be a lot of police cars up there look at all the lights as I got closer I couldn't even Drive anymore because the lights are so bright so I pulled over to this side and I noticed the car in front of us pulled off to the side too and I got out of the car my girlfriend got out of the car - I will never if I get Alzheimer's the one thing little stick in my mind what happened this huge object floated right there and I couldn't see the end of it from the right or from the left I can't tell you whether it was bronze or whether it was silver whether it was gold it was immense and it was tall but the the bottom part yeah I didn't see windows I didn't see any and I'm most of all there was no noise there was no motor there was nothing it just was there and these lights were coming in and I had and I just looked at it and within a period of seconds it lifted up went this way lift it up again and went over the mountain let's talk about her demeanor first and the way she the way she's just calm you know suppose this this thing's happy to but she's really calm she isn't so neat showing nervousness really and her illustrators are right on the money they're right where they should be illustrator 'z as you know are the things where someone is their brain is emphasizing specific words and phrases like I did sustain specific words and phrases and when she's describing things and she makes little boxes supposed to be your car which is I pulled over to the side and then the car in front she punched the car in front and it pulled over to that shows that she's in the beginning stages of starting to relive this as she starts putting these things in space in front of her as she goes along then she says and she starts going through that we started seeing a little movement in her forehead and her inner brow we're not seeing a whole lot of that at first but as we go on we'll see it we'll see more of that as it goes on we start to see what's it's it's beautiful it's a combination of a fear anxiety and stress all at the same time and they all sort of come and go through through each one of them so it's beautiful though the deeper she gets into it's more we'll see so as we go on you'll see that happening when she gets to the part where she says I will never if I get Alzheimer's the one thing I will that will stick in my mind what happened she doesn't say the one thing that was thinking my mind is what happened so what happened is the key is the key thing there and what we see there in is a microexpression and it's really small it's these last four two frames what's gonna happen is this if anybody else catches this outside of someone like us let's see they're gonna tell you this well bicular is loculi was that little little muscle just beneath the eye and that's pulling up to make a squint real quick that's not what's happening so our scene there's the bucks inator muscle is pushing it up it's almost flickered up it happened so quickly that tells us it's not something she's trying to I block with that her brain is gone I don't want to see that I can't believe us all she's Dutch true what she saw so so wince so that shows it's confusing to her when people have big things they don't understand or are they confusing to him they'll say I don't know what happened and you'll see that that jerking but that's her little that's the little jerk we see there so if they say it's it's it's if they go further than say it's it's the opaque you layers oculi it's not it's that little bucks nadir muscle for the big bucks that your muscle and Lina since you this is your first time with us I talked about this thing called loping when someone talks about something they'll just sort of lok through and they'll just keep on doing they don't it sounds like you're writing the story through that you probably have a name for it i don't know what that would be that's what yeah it's what expression okay alright so I see so in this case she's just loping along like she's like everything's fine she's starting there we're starting to see a little bit more happening in the forehead as well when she says I didn't see any windows I didn't see any most of all there was no noise and she relives this she's trying to get out the most exciting parts to the listener so I don't think she's told this story a thousand times like a lot of people we see on here will tell the story over and over so what we're seeing is as she's talking to she's lumping she stops and there's this information here she almost jumps that information to get you something that's even more exciting that she thought was more important than the information was given at that point right there so that's kind of long sorry about that but let's chase what do you get one thing I I see here and I've actually never brought up to you guys before and I have never seen research on this and I've done 15 years of research on the subject but when someone switches pronouns in a story she's talking about herself and then the pronouns go to kind of a team-oriented where she's saying we and us back and forth I found that to be one of the really good truth indicator for stories if the stories memorized I think someone's more likely to stick with a pronoun type and I only have when I teach I teach three types of pronouns we have self team and others and so he has no problem going back and forth between talking about we when it's an experience with her friend and I when she is referring to her own experience I think that was a very good truth indicator there and we see some body narration here which Scott is calling illustrators I think Barbara and Allen peas if you read through their book they call it baton gestures and I think the origin of someone using the word baton gesture goes back to Desmond Morris who talks about that someone narrating as they talk with their with their body we see a lot of that and when I say body narration when she's explaining how tall it is her eyes flick upward as if she's looking upward at the craft in her memory and aside from what Scott said that's that's what all I've got excellent okay mark where you get yeah so let me look at the intonation of how she says is that's part of nonverbal as well first few words she gets out dusk dark downward intonation she's very certain about it being dusk and dark when she talks about these two places Stockbridge Barrington she has an awkward intonation now we might a previously said well those upward into nations that are looking for are you with you know do you agree do you agree and there's a nod of her head during that I think what she understands here is that we all understand dusk and dark but we may not know the places she's talking about so she does need some us to join in on that but it's quite a good baseline of a very strong downward intonation when she's very certain of something and an upward intonation where somebody might be certain she's certain she definitely made that journey okay but she doesn't know whether we'd know those places and that's right we don't and the interviewer doesn't fare as well here's what she is does become certain off she doesn't lights and then she does lights bright lights so she's very certain she saw lights and bright lights and she tells us that the the the object creating this light was bigger than her peripheral vision she couldn't see where it was an end so the light is enough to fill up her peripheral vision on on on that now she can't tell us what color it is or what metal it's made out of she goes through three metals which she says it isn't that what she certain of is there's lights bright light she's certain that they got out of the car and that her friend got out of the car as well and she's very very certain about the movement of these lights because she describes it the the movement profile she makes his very very definite so what I take from this is we've got somebody very very credible here in what she saw but here's what she saw she saw lights bright lights and she knows that they moved like this and she knows that they were bigger than her her vision could take in very very credible around that but no description alai dia at this point of what those lights may mean or may be and so it's really important at this point as we're looking as we had kind of deconstructing her story that she hasn't informed us at this point what she thinks those lights are the title of this whole piece if we would have watched the whole piece and I have to say I haven't watched all of this episode I've just watched her interview so I don't know how the filmmakers have framed this this information I just know that she knows for sure what she saw and she saw lights bright lights and they were very wide and she has a very strong movement profile she was where she said she was very very credible witness to that at this point that's that's all I got on this Greg where do you go yeah so I'll just start off by saying this is a coherent consistent cadence that's moving through and she even accesses visual cue a couple of times in there she's accessing some memories if you watch her eyes it's not all emotion down right she's a quick dodge off to her right as she's picking it up her hands move not just consistently and I use the word illustrator always because I'm painting a picture and you know depending on language you speak you may use your hands more or less being very English my hands are down being if you're very Italian or like my wife through a Greek your hands may be up but we use our hands to illustrate what we're thinking Creoles traders are not just good there in front of her if I'm going to make something and talk about it my hands are probably if you're the fish was that big but when people hold it in front of themselves they're engaging their brain and they're thinking she even makes shapes she talks about levels she says it flew away in one hand not both hands not something crazy in the monster differ it's in baseline for her and looks normal for her watch when she talks about married to grace she nods and it's a positive thing and she's confirming Merida graces her friend when she talks about no sound her head goes no all these things are Lina I'm gonna steal a word you use a lot this is congruent messaging people are when they're delivering messages that way it's important I also would say when you look at that brow there are two things she does a little bit of a request for approval I call it where she raises her brow to ask but there's a lot of concern in there about what you're perceiving from her when she's doing it overall credible believable and the message is consistent to me I know what do you got the biggest thing when I listen to this because I am a word nerd was that the entire story was in past tense so when people recall truthful events they go to the episodic memory they've done it it's an autobiographical memory and they take chunks of that information from the episodic memory they've got to rebuild it because we don't remember things in a whole full story so they piece together what happened and they regurgitate the event when they do that in this a truthful account it should remain in past tense sometimes when people try to make up or fill in information that they don't know they'll go to their semantic memory which is just known information it's not what a biographical and when that happens and I draw down information just from being a human on this earth sometimes all of a sudden my story goes to present tense I'm walking down I'm driving down wrote and then I saw so you got present in past tense but her story was so consistent on all past tense that I truly feel this is something that she went back in the scene as it happens and you can tell that by her illustration she's making out stuff her eyes are always anchoring to one place when it gets to the pertinent information in the fact that she was okay saying you know what I don't know if it was silver metal Chrome or whatever she listed typically when people are not telling you the truth and not being on two percent honest they don't want to say anything that has to do it I don't know if don't just stay away from that but she's like yeah I don't know and it's fine then I don't know because this is what I dunno I dunno I saw West great lights excellent all right all right everybody good it was just beyond dusk it was getting really dark and I was coming back from Stockbridge to Great Barrington the only person in the car with me was married to grace who's passed away now she was my my girlfriend we were just the two of us we were driving down and I saw a lot of lights in my hand I said there must have been an accident there must be a lot of police cars up there look at all the lights as I got closer I couldn't even drive anymore because the lights are so bright so I pulled over to the side and I noticed the car in front of us pulled off to the side too and I got out of the car my girlfriend got out of the car - I will never if I get Alzheimer's the one thing a little stick in my mind what happened this huge object floated right there and I couldn't see the end of it from the right or from the left I can't tell you whether it was bronze or whether it was silver whether it was gold it was immense and it was tall but the the bottom party I didn't see windows I didn't see me and I'm most of all there was no noise there was no motor there was nothing it just was there and these lights were coming in and I had and I just looked at it and within a period of seconds it lifted up went this way lifted up again and went over the mountain okay all right let's move on the next one before this happened I was a non-believer in in any of that stuff at just no way flying saucers and I just did not believe it I drove all the way into Great Barrington and pulled over where our store was its Main Street turn the car off and looked at my girlfriend and said what just happened so I ran in and I told my husband and he said to go up and reported to the radio station and I went in and Tom J who was the director of W SBS started to laugh and he said you and Mary must be out drinking again he said I think it must have been swamp gas so this was no swamp gas time and I explained it a few hours later he was inundated with calls from other people all right Lina what do you got I love in the beginning she's like non-believer no way right again my favorite word she so couldn't grumman's with shaking the head no and saying no or saying something negative and I also like the fact that when she's talking she does this and her thumbs are sticking out so I call this thumbs of power meaning when people feel very confident and comfortable usually gonna see a huge space between the thumb and the index finger and people have no problem talking to you like this showing the palm saying I have nothing to hide and she's no problem doing that typically if people are feeling uncertain of themselves or uncertain of what they're saying they will do this or the thumbs will start to come in and sometimes they're even hidden like that but she is very open she's very congruent and the last poem she's talking about what just happened right it's almost like she just went right back in time to that day and said what just happened because I see the shoulder shrugging which again is congruent behavior and her eyebrows racing like hey this is interesting what just happened so again excellent Greg what do you got yeah so here's a really good indicator that she's feeling something about her past not believing I was a non-believer this is one Scott I can do it again she's there it is I can control it not everybody can and he's always impressed with that she didn't gauge the grief muscle I think she feels something from that hey I used to not believe in this and and as people age healthy people as they age they reconcile what they have believed and gotten to and there's probably some of that in here so I wouldn't say that means anything negative or any of that but it certainly is when she's saying I was a non-believer all of her arrows are lining her hands are out she shakes her head no she you know she's got passion around what she's saying when she starts to illustrate the story of her husband she's illustrating with her whole body I mean this is a whole body story her hands are telling her story her face is telling her story chin is dropping she's talking to you there no barriers and no adapters and by barriers I mean I'm not putting something between us I'm not putting my hands between us I'm not doing any of that and that's a way to get space you're no adaptors and by that I mean making myself comfortable anything we do to take control of our situation and when you see a lot of people in this you're gonna find that they create what I call sacred space they create a barrier and then they do something to adapt it makes them comfortable and in control their space there's none of that here the other thing mark I'm gonna stay a little bit of your thunder here she is telling there is no asking whatsoever in this piece her arrows are all aligned I believe it excellent okay mark what do you get yeah so that's let's talk about what what she talks about there which is belief she says I wasn't a believer but but now I do believe in that stuff which is kind of if that's a nebulous term but then she does run it down to flying saucers okay so now we've got a little bit of a framework from her around what we might want to be thinking these lights lights bright lights are that it's possibly in her mind now a flying saucer now does it mean that she has never believed in anything we'll look to the side of her you'll see a ceramic angel there and and so I would I would put some money on there's always been a belief with her about other higher entities that can be helpful to you so it's not that she's never believed in anything she didn't believe in that stuff now she believes didn't that stuff absolutely go with what you're saying there Leena about these these open palm gestures and those thumbs of power I think there's something even more here there's a gentle shrug during that with these thumbs of power which I would call a supplicant gesture the supplicant is saying I don't have the power I and I think what she's saying with that is is I can't explain this I still can't explain it so she still I didn't believe in that stuff flying saucers but she's still not gonna say here's what the lights were my mind super credible still but but very credible on I can't explain at the moment what this was actually tastes pretty good front of people watching we talk a lot about shoulder shrugging behavior in a lot of our videos and that the double shoulder shrug when they cannot just go up like that it's typically an apologetic gesture I'm just saying I don't I don't know and the single shrug is more likely a lot of confidence than what someone's thing but that's typically how I read that the same as mark just so you can spot that next yes your friend how they like your new job and they go well it's great and only one shoulder good son so they'd never be able to use that one thing she does here but I think is still truthful and something that a lot of politicians do is pre overcoming the objections and which is a great conversational tactic and if if I'm trying to tell you something and you're incredulous I'm gonna already say I know this son I know it sounds ridiculous and she's going through and overcoming these objections before it happens and if poems show if Scott shows this video again you when she says swamp gas you'll see a little bit of an eyebrow flash there like pleasant swamp gas and you'll see the eyebrows come up which is a great little illustrator that you can see no matter what our ages or what country we come from all primates when we're angry or eyebrows go down and we do the opposite to show innocence and sometimes a little bit of threatening like you're lecturing your kid that's what I got there excellent what I got was this I saw when she starts she's using I'm focused on illustrators today but what's her big illustrator in this case is her head which he's given that assertive hen illustrator and what she believes to be true you'll see people who were telling stories and they decide the car egg did happened the guy did come out of that thing like they'll be hitting you like that with their with their head there was she talks about not believing any that stuff says I didn't believe any of that stuff but she talks about the flying saucers that's when we talked about earlier about the película the big talk the little muscle here this can be easier to understand when thing jumps up this is what she's actually I blocking because she's saying I didn't believe in that stuff she's not blocking because it's horrible information but it's distasteful for her some she doesn't believe in a thought was horse poop for years and years then when she says that that's why she squints so she's sort of blocking that away so that's what we're seeing there that this time it's not the Bucks Nader is actually the the it's the smaller muscle up here so I wrote then and then what she's talking about the radio DJ which says later on people called there were other people as well I see her hands again move to to show there was another group of people are that were calling in something completely different and again I like it I'm sort of getting shits and giggles but you start seeing that little forehead in there starting to show you all kinds of stuff it started to show that connect combination of again of fear and sincere like worried she's worried about that not now it's not as much stress but it's more eye confusion I guess because she really doesn't understand what happened and that's what we're seeing on her that's why it's just it makes this little cocktail of you know you just look if you're into that kind of thing if you're somebody Watson send the micro-expressions that into to what's going on with the expressions man it's it's wonderful it really is so everybody good on that one oh yeah great job that was the best I learned a lot from you guys secretly I nodded my head as if I knew it before you can see me going yeah but you know marks about to drop the bomb when he's going through and you know their eyebrows and then he goes and then he leans over on that on the table then he gives it this it's that blasted gang okay yeah I'm gonna count those that's over there you go chase yeah okay we'll talk later range mobile hey Jimmy you know have you seen Jimmy Kimmel when he counts how many times the bachelorettes say the word amazing we hope one episode he got the last one I saw he does it every episode it was 297 the last one I looked at in a single episode Wow and he and he cuts them all together in like a two minute compilation of these girls going amazed at like understand the link in the when you consolidate all those don't send me that please yeah before this happened I was a non-believer in in any of that stuff at just no way flying saucers and I just did not believe it I drove all the way into Great Barrington pulled over where our store was it's Main Street turn the car off and looked at my girlfriend and said what just happened so I ran in and I told my husband and he said to go up and report it to the radio station and I went in and Tom J who was the director of WSB s started to laugh and he said you and Mary must be out drinking again he said I think it must have been swamp gas that this was no swamp gas time and I explained it a few hours later he was inundated with calls from other people okay ask me what I realized the frustration of people in the past that had been saying that they've seen flying saucers who had seen this or seen that and people doubt them because I was one of them I was so relieved the other people saw that because I just thought no one's gonna ever believe me if I do mention it and I think that's part of part of the reason I never talked about it because I didn't think people would believe me all right Greg you wanna go first sure I don't have a whole lot on this when I think there's some real grief about her not having believed people in the past and it really shows up here if you start noticing her her speech her cadence slows and she starts to talk about well in the past I was one of them and then suddenly I got to eat crow is basically what she's saying and you can see that in what in her body language she says I'm glad someone else came out it's about all I have here I hear a cadence slow I hear her quieter and not as demonstrative because she's talking about feelings it's all I see it mark what do you get yes I think there's a piece of choreography here right at the start with that lovely beautiful tracking shot past the window and and it's Jane isn't it and Jane they're in almost like a like a green robe looking out in the green looking up kind of whisper Lee there's that has to be caught I don't think she does that every day and the cameras went catch that catch that I think somebody said you stand at the window and kind of look can you do that again yes yep responding you know I'm I'm always terribly interested about how I might be being played and and and because you know I educate others across the planet in how to influence and persuade I like to know when I'm being influenced and persuaded I think at this point it's not down to her this is the makers of the show the makers of the show are trying to influence and persuade me about something right now and I think they want to persuade me about this woman's credibility her calmness her kind of wistfulness and and I think there's a reason for that and we'll come to that in that in the second in the in the final part here there's frustration about not being believed she's frustrated about not being believed I think that talk to what Greg was saying there and then she talks about people in the military have seen this okay let me unpack that what is this what are you talking about when you say this because we're I interviewing her I'd go so when you say this could you just tell me what you're thinking of right now or could you give me an example of this I'd want a good description of this maybe she has given a good description we don't get to see that but certainly in this element here we meant to I think think that because people in the military have seen something the something that they saw is the something that she saw but that's not logic but I think we're being pushed into a illogical an idea of a logical presumption here that she saw what the military saw and the military are of authority and if you think she's a little old lady without Simas no because the military saw this as well I'll leave it at that okay Lena what do you go so she says people will never believe me it's a definitive statement she didn't say people may not believe me she says people will never believe me and she least sadness after she talks about being relieved but I truly think that she is struggling with not being believed and really not understanding what she saw I mean she may want to come out and say she saw a UFO but she saw a great light she described to us very credibly but she with her making that statement people will never believe me I truly think there's sadness there and I saw her leak sadness as well so I do think there's this underlying sad feeling that she's experiencing actually tastes really good I agree and Lena I saw a very similar observation there and to Mark's point about the choreography I think that there is a secret technique that's mandatory in Hollywood where a woman if she's drinking tea or coffee on any show or movie they force her to do it with two hands for some reason it's as weird a sweater every single episode no matter what they do this and they look at the window knowingly like yeah and I've never seen that in real life you just did however one thing we see here as interrogators or interviewers is that she is socializing the situation so she's she's not only saying I am afraid because of social consequences but I'm I'm telling the truth because of social evidence so everything that we're talking about here the first we're talking about her friend she's on a trip with her friend it's my girlfriend and there's more social stuff here so if I'm an interrogator and I'm trying to go for a confession I'm not going to talk about the benefits to her I want to talk about the benefits of confessing to her friends or family in her social network because that's how her brain works she's socially wired and we're seeing some of that here and there's not much else here that the clip was cut and Scott will be an expert on clip cutting but there were I think there were some cuts and edits in this clip somewhere but I thought anyone relief when she said when there were other people that were like me that also saw it I was so relieved that other people were there with us that also saw it there was another car and that's genuine relief but it's also showing us another step in that social mindset that you know if you go watch the show che said to your point if you go watch the show when she says something about the military there's a little piece of body language right there at the end very little but her eyes drift down into her right and there is a that relief yes she's emotional and negative way but then there's that relief Hey some to your all your guys point there's this thing that the military must not be lying if they're now telling us all this so then she's more believed I think it is the same thing but I still think yeah she's got this I wish I hadn't been such a whatever along the way such a skeptic all right I think I'm gonna agree with everybody on this when we talk about it's it's sort of about her at this point she says I eight times when she says people four times and when you listen to this again because when I replaced the second time people really sticks out she's worried about what other people think about it that's why we're seeing that that combination that cocktail of emotions up here in her forehead not her brow because she's thinking about what they're gonna think she's thinking about what I think about it should I say this I'm already an I got to keep going this really happened it's worrying her so this is for anything I think she looks crazy or nuts or something like that also what we're seeing is a small shoulder shrug which he says I think she says and I think that's part of the reason I never talked about it which is I think you see a really quick blow shoot up of the shoulders when it comes to absolutists and this is this is for someone watching also about this you'll see them say every time you see that real quick every time you see that row you know the one shoulder shrug real quick that means they're being deceptive or they're they're lying or they're not telling the truth and like Jay said that's just one that's just one of many things that could possibly mean when someone tries to sell you that it says oh I know what that means you have to take everything into context with what's happening in real time to make Joe Navarro even says that that it's important that you do that because if not then everybody's a lot about everything they say because you see their shoulders moving like that lot but when we see that that tells me but she's worried about what other people think and and it is kind of sad that she feels that way I felt so sorry for and then yeah that's that that's that's really all I've got on that is seeing that and but the lesson there being when you see one little shrug like that don't take it for deception every time it just shows there's an issue there and that person is unsure of what they're talking about in this specific situation not every situation but in this one so I realized the frustration of people in the past that had been saying that they've seen flying saucers I had seen this has seen that and people doubt them because I was one of them I was so relieved that other people saw that because I just thought no one's gonna ever believe me if I do mention it and I think that's part of part of the reason I never talked about it because I didn't think people would believe me everybody good yeah brilliant I just wish that everyone that's that sees this really would open their minds because I know the people they're being interviewed are people just like everyone out there that probably at one time didn't believe doubt it and when this happens there is no doubt I have no reason to you know make anything up maybe five years old and this is this is not something that I expected to do or ever talked about it's real it's for real people gotta understand that all right well I think we're seeing here is the end of the interview and she's starting to relax there that's why her illustrators aren't jumping out she's not telling you anything she's just she devar I think this is someday added and she's not really I was aware now we're gonna shoot the part where you relaxed well that that's what we're seeing here she's relaxed that's why we're seeing her rub used that the the size of the chair its her chair she's been there for a while talking and she's leaning back relax and there was a guy that I grew up with named Doc Watson guitar players blind and he would do things like that he'd get relaxed he'd start rubbing on side of the chair he was older my parents old would they do that that kind of thing as well it sort of helped it's sort of that it's an adapter but they're they're already relaxing but it's helping them continue to relax and then enter forehead we see we're seeing all that stuff go away and the more she talks all that worry and all that all the concern and all that all those other things we saw though a cocktail of emotions starts to go away you see a little bit up there but not much so we're actually seeing her relaxed sort of break apart that that whole the the emotion I was starting to break away and she's starting to to come down to earth I guess you'd say Lena what do you get so she sounds very definitive here she's making statements so definitively in her cadence as Mike talks about slows down and it's almost like chunk and cause chunk impose deliver and pause and to me it almost sounds like she knows like we're nearing the end and this is the last message that she wants everybody to take away with her and here when she says I have no reason to make anything up and then she just laughs afterwards it's almost like internally she's gone this is ridiculous and you know what if people don't believe me they don't believe me but this is what it is and I'm relaxed enough now that I can laugh about it before I was sad and maybe worried and leaking sadness but now you know what people take it or not take it but now I feel comfortable enough with my story and for what it is and I can actually laugh about it and get that often known of course just what you said too with the rubbing of the couch we're seeing more of her I think relaxed gestures and indicators right now which is like sooth interviews done I've said it to the world and now world take do it oh you know do whatever you want with it but here it is here's what I got yeah excellent mark what do you get yeah so let me just give everybody out there a quick classics lesson of persuasion and influence Aristotle about 350 BC first of all something called ethos the ethics that will persuade you she says I wish people would open their minds now is there anybody out there that's gonna go now I wish they wouldn't I wish there was just more closed mindedness so she's given us an ethos there that we have to agree with okay now I don't think she's she's using these on purpose I think there's good editing going on here and an Aristotle came across these ideas simply because he was looking at the world and going how does one person persuade another person why do people join in with these stories so ethos I wish people would open their minds the ethics of you're a better person if you're more open-minded close minded people are worse people that's not logic that's just ethics it's not necessarily true or logical it's ethical now then we get pay Foss which is the emotion of it and we do as as Lena and everybody else has been saying we do get sorrow there the emotion of sorrow which she calls out the feeling of doubt as well we've got sorrow and doubt and I would wrap that up into a wistfulness and it's a wistfulness that that that media like all mark use it sits beautifully emotive so we've now got this ethos of everybody open your minds this pathos of sorrow and doubt which we all experience we've joined it here and then she says it's real it's for real and she nods her head and for me for me personally the logos of that the logic of that is not enough to convince me because I do not know what it is just saying it's real it's for real though she says it with such clarity everything is right about the body language everything is right about what she says she truly believes it's real but we have not as yet had a description of what it is other than lights lights bright lights and something that some other people may have seen that she says well it's gonna be that so a brilliant persuasion and and influence you know unconsciously I think from her consciously from the filmmakers there but for me you know I she absolutely believes what went on and I think what went on absolutely went on but for me personally we have no description of it we have no logos we have no logic we have no sensible facts or or evidence but I totally believe her excellent Greg what do you got yeah so it's funny you mentioned that Martin twenty-five years ago I worked with a cw4 before they were CW fives who had seen a UFO and his story was not believable but he had all the mechanics of what it was now maybe it's because he believed in other kind of things that didn't make sense to me that I jumped to conclusions his body language was not believable but his story he had descriptions of everything so just because a person sees something doesn't mean it's a UFO right I've also knew a drunk guy one time we saw a UFO and it was a street sweeper so it what you know what your perception is I'm not attacking her story but I think you're a point of logic and what's there is important because as I watch her like all of you I'm seeing someone who is congruent in messaging someone who is telling the same story with their body that they're telling with their mouth i watch her go through this is in his last piece as a transition from grief muscle and that to talking about a wish other people would open up and go through the same thing she's gone through she's even searching for words in her head as you watch her eyes to say the right words to change how you think as she moves through this the adaptors I'm a big fan of when I see somebody rubbing something it means something this is not that I need to be comfortable this is the lady who sat in the chair for a long time and touching the chair take all your points so the message moves it morphs from one of sorrow to one of and you just see it so like you I believe what she's saying is what she saw whether it was a UFO or a bus with a lot of lights we'll never know but she's certainly believable and there's a lot if you look into this story there are a lot of other people who believe the same thing they're all saying this happened or that happen so yeah that's it for me in terms of what I think's pretty good I'm going to disagree with Greg just for a minute and we'll also post all the time guys but I think that her behavior was self soothing but only in that once we do relax somewhere we tend to engage in repetitive behaviors sure yeah so and in the brilliant words of our friend Joe Navarro any repetitive behavior itself soon which I think he has a knack for taking a 900-page academic paper and fitting it onto a bumper sticker which i think is great so I got four so we saw more social implication so we're seeing more evidence that she's socially based and that's how we should be speaking to her in terms of out of that feel when your family said this or your family's not going to you're not going be outcast from your family so we're always gonna really dresses like that she says when this happens present tense there is no doubt present tense and I think that she I think this suggests that she's addressing the people who are eventually going to experience the same thing and I think that's a good truth indicator she has a small eye contact break momentarily after she says it's for real and she looked through the side it could have been a cat or something me a walking on our counter but the liars are extremely more likely to make eye contact right after the lie if not throughout the whole thing and that little confirmation lens to make sure you bought it and she doesn't care she looks away right after her statement which I think speaks to truth and she says people have got to understand that instead of people have to believe that so there's no convincing language there's just here's a fact you can look at it or not kind of language which I think speaks to our truths as well I just wish that everyone that's that sees this really would open their minds because I know the people that are being interviewed are people just like everyone out there that probably at one time didn't believe doubt it and when this happens there is no doubt I have no reason to you know make anything up maybe five years old and this is this is not something that I expected to do or ever talked about it's real it's for real people gotta understand that all right well we vet that's pretty much covered all the videos we're gonna cover well we throw it around the room and see well give chase this thing where we give our percentages of truth versus our percentage of deception Greg you wanna go first sure and this will be a rare occasion for people to hear me say this is a 90 plus truth person to me hey is there stuff in there that she could have embellished certainly but what I don't see is that reach there's no hypnotic eye focused there's not fishing for information she's just talking and normally talking you so I believe her now are there hedges in there certainly and it's a 50 year old story so certainly there's that but I believe her I believe she saw something and she's describing exactly what she saw so 95 plus right all right mark what do you get yeah exactly the same this is somebody telling you the truth of what they saw they saw it they believe now it's something just for me it's very undiscriminating around exactly what that is and I think that's not her trying to hold that back from us or not tell us that I think there is some there is a huge sense throughout this interview of what happened I to a large extent I don't know but something really important happened here so very very honest very credible if I was looking for a witness to go on a stand that'd be the lady get her up get her on the stand and and influence and persuade the jury using her for sure Lina Whittle get winning percentage for mark oh yeah I'm going 100% 100% okay yeah Lina what about you yeah I have no worries saying a hundred percent because when she uses the pronouns this and it's only because to today she's still unclear what she saw you know what she saw but she doesn't know what it is so she has to use this in it it's not distancing language it's the truth she's the one aligned and say oh I saw a flying saucer no because I saw this bright lights and oblong feet whatever whatever so she's not even trying to say and convince us I saw a UFO she's just saying what she said that she saw and it comes out in this and it it makes perfect sense I totally believe her okay so you're going a hundred percent twenty percent okay here we go chase when you get you know at ninety eight point six four one four this one with the only caveat to this being that I'm taking off a couple of points or point and plus whatever decimal I just made up because she is having trouble recalling some of it the persuasive you language is very heavy and I think that they're questions that have been asked better during the interview and I'm going with almost 100 percent Oh almost nineteen that all right well I'm gonna go I think that's right I'm going to I'm gonna go I'm going ninety nine percent there's that one one percent not that she's lying but some might be a skewing they're from for what she remember she may have been belts a little bit but the loping we see in there when she's just telling that story is riding it alone I'm gonna say I think this woman saw this I think she saw UFO I think she saw exactly what she's explaining to us and I think she saw there's as we talked well as a sat inside a couple of us talked about how there's somebody else in this in this unsolved mysteries we got a couple questions about we may do them later something her next who knows but that's where I'm going I'm gonna give her 99% I didn't I didn't see anything at all oh that's why it almost scares me me I want to believe like Jason like Greg and Mark to Lina's we all want to believe in UFOs go yeah and someone to meet those people bring him down pick me up I've always told my wife I said look if you've ever comes down and they're like look you can go with us and I just disappear and something happens that's what I've done I've died I just disappeared going the UFO people said yeah let's keep going but so that's why that's why I give her a 99 I believe she saw that me and Mike cabal are gonna write you a ticket right now Scott for the soso your mosque is gonna come get you hey I have a friend my last active army boss lives in the neighborhood and he's looking to see if he can get through to these people so we can actually talk to them Oh that'd be great yeah that would be great I'd like to talk to her me too I asked about her and the other ladies so he's poking today and trying to find out he was a schoolteacher there before we went on active duty so he knows a lot of people in the area and he's poking around to see if he can find the right person what I want to talk to is that guy who they talked to next again with a baseball cap on that's the guy I want to talk to yeah seem like about yeah you've opened up the mystery for me now look there's only 30 minutes I think the show is not long it's worth watching this your evening difference in the in the different styles of storytelling in that yeah yeah all right well Lena thanks for spending this time with us we really appreciate it Mike soldiers in the world yeah we'll have you back hopefully if you a cocktail soon when it's legal you're my neighbor definitely let's get you up later okay all right Alisa there's that one in the can we'll move on the next one say it a bit all right so that's it Lena yes we should do that other guy though that one guy oh my god my god well he was ten and he's he looks like something out of it he's overacting and got all kinds of stories and if you read his other thing he's seen other UFOs around the country too

Channel: The Behavior Panel

Views: 116,139

Rating: 4.927361 out of 5

Keywords: berkshires, berkshires ufo, greg hartley, chase hughes, scott rouse, behavior panel, human behavior, read people, how to read people, how to read body language, read body language, how to, secrets of body language, body language of men, body language of women, truth, lies, lie spotting, joe rogan, behavior, panel, netflix, documentary, netflix berkshires ufo, mark bowden, the behavior panel, witness, eyewitness, ufo, ufo sighting, understanding body language, joe rogan ufo

Id: JW2GCr6uNxI

Length: 57min 36sec (3456 seconds)

Published: Wed Jul 15 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/NastySassyStuff]

I recently discovered this channel on YouTube and I’m willing to bet many of you will find it as riveting as I do. A panel of experts in body language analyze interviews of people from Carole Baskin to Prince Andrew to Bob Lazar and assess whether or not they believe they’re being deceptive. This one should be especially fascinating to all of you. It’s a bit long but give it a shot, trust me.

[u/Tourito]

Body language is fascinating! However, my grandma could convince the most awesome experts that she has seen God, the angels and the devil, because she truly believed so. Hence it's not an exact science and we shouldn't give it too much credit because body language is not about what you really experienced, but what you truly believe in.

[u/ZeusTheElevated]

cool link, but science has repeatedly shown that humans can't detect deception

[u/trebory6]

Can I get a tl;dw?

[u/Smash_Factor]

I absolutely love the Berkshire UFO story.

Never in my life have I been more of a believer in UFO's than now.

Usually with UFO stories you have bad video or bad photography or a story that just doesn't seem to line up.

But with this story, that's not the case.

You know what my favorite thing is about the Berkshire UFO story is?

My favorite thing is that it's true.

My sister and I are both convinced that these people are telling the truth. They're not making it up. This actually happened.

But my sister argues that it wasn't aliens. It was our military with humans on board the ship. They were testing the equipment, by choosing people randomly, from the population in one particular area.

Seems kinda nuts to think that our military has this technology, especially back in the 1960's, but this makes the most sense to me. Aliens did not fly in from the cosmos to check out our immune systems. It was the military testing alien technology.

[u/laprimaveraaa]

What are these guys credentials?

[u/saharaelbeyda]

I enjoyed the video! I was also glad they said she was credible, because as soon as I saw her on that episode I felt her demeanor and delivery were very genuine.

[u/kjday19]

Thank you

[u/Blue_Light_84]

At the moment I have no doubts that those people saw the UFO that day, but will watch that video later about body language as I enjoy challenging my own mind and am interested in those kind of things. Will return with an opinion after I watched it :)