PART 1: Prince Andrew & Epstein Interview Body Language Analyzed (2020)

just asking the same thing so let me get this straight he's like cool unbelievable listen I think she gets there and she gets somewhere in the end though I mean she doesn't necessarily get up yeah fashion there's so many places in here I wanted to see the pre confession we'll talk about it I'm sure but I want to see the pre confession and that pre confessions right there in an interrogation room of course this is a prince not a perpetrators chase ease chase I joined I joined you today nice so I guess we good to go yeah you could chase oh yeah I'm sky rasmalai language expert and analysts that trained law enforcement in the military and interrogation and body language I'm chase Hughes I teach interrogation body language did 20 years in the US military and now I'm a trial consultant and I train government and private sectors and persuasion influence I'm Greg Hartley I spent most of my early life as an army interrogator interrogation trainer and resistance to interrogation trainer I've written 10 books on byte language and behavior and I mostly spend my time in corporate America and Wall Street I'm ma Bowden I'm an expert in human behavior and body language helping people all over the world stand out win trust gain credibility including some of members of the British aristocracy it's excellent there well today we're gonna be talking about Prince Andrew and his body language during his interview as we go through this remember we call him like we see him we're not leaning to one side politically or the other side if we're from one country or another country we're not going to lead toward that toward either side we calm like we see him so that's what's going on so let's start off with the first question see you today as you say all of this goes back to your friendship with Jeffrey Epstein how did you first become friends how did you meet well I met through his girlfriend back in 1999 who and I'd known her since she was at university in the UK and it would be to some extent to stretch to say that that as well we were close friends we were friends because of other people and I had a lot of opportunity to go to the United States but I didn't have much time with him I suppose I saw him once or twice a year perhaps maybe massive over three times a year and quite often if I was in the United States and doing things and if he wasn't there he would say well why don't you come and use my eysies so I said that's very kind thank you very much indeed but it would be it would be a considerable stretch to say that he was a very very close friend but he had the most extraordinary ability to bring extraordinary people together and that's the bit that I remember is going to the dinner parties where you would meet academics politicians people from the United Nations I mean it was a it was a a cosmopolitan group of whatever described as as US eminence all right who wants to go first great yes I'll jump on to things and then we may bleed into three number one you it would be a stretch to characterize us as close friends evolves too it would be a considerable stretch to characterize us as very very close friends hmm that's an interesting distancing from the situation number one here's one of those and chase will both be on this one from different angles this is one of those points where he's nodding very rapidly yes about being a friend and then suddenly preparing because he knows what's coming pushing his tongue out of his mouth and this is not a grooming move as much you know cleaning your mouth has almost distasteful pushing his tongue out of course his routine is a little bit of that but watching from here that first start and you'll see as he progresses through this fighter flights going to start hitting him and you'll get new coastal fatigue and all that and we'll talk about it as it shows up but those two things are my first to chase pretty good a lot here so just focus on a couple of things we have this lip compression the moment that the person's name is memorized they're mentioned we see the lips squeezed together which typically means withheld opinions or something's kind of being withheld and we're also getting a little bit of a baseline here because we're starting out the video and you know Greg talks a lot about baseline so we're looking he's accessing a genuine memory and he looks over to his left so we're kind of just starting to get this little baseline behavior and when he says United States he's using this hand he's gesturing that direction when he's going to America so these are important little things to pay attention to for the rest of the interview and one thing you'll notice when you have an HD video it's really really cool the artery underneath the knee causes the foot to bounce with the heartbeat so what we'll do I'll throw it in the comments here I'll throw his heartbeat throughout the entire interview which I have spent time calculating in the comments of the video chase it's a beautiful thing because I've been watching it the entire video myself watching his pulse right it's a beautiful thing that's right that's well as way today and I was gonna goose it with that but Chandler let him sit that way in full camera view like mark your people are like yeah well let me tell you let me tell you about this his handlers have abandoned him at this point and here's how I think we can tell that just look at his tie his tie is askew a handler would have never have let that go so let's look at the bigger context that we have here we're in the Royal Palace that's not his house that's his mother's house it's the seat of the crown of England it's a place of high authority where he's trying to get extreme compliance from this interviewer and he's trying to do it by striking or as you walk into that room you just need to look at the China collection at the back you've got priceless paintings all around you he's basically saying you will comply because look at the authority that rests here Maitlis to counter this has shown in a military-style jacket knowing I think so there are no accidents here there are conscious and unconscious choices she's shown up in a military jacket hoping for some compliance around that that he'll see the braids you'll see the military style and although he's a vice admiral himself there will be an element of compliance to the idea of military and rank signals essentially though of course we don't expect that he thinks she holds any rank however in the UK she would be one of the top interviewers in hard news so she's a strong contender here so I just want to lay that out and just you know let you know I think he's been abandoned at this point he's on his own because handlers would have come in and they'd have adjusted that time I just want to make two other points about this Greg the the the stretch we actually see him do a descriptor of that stretch and it is he doesn't make it a huge stretch he makes it a little bit of a stretch but later on in the interview we're gonna see him do a stretch again and we're gonna see his hands clasped together and he won't describe a stretch so it's a good a good chance for a baseline on that and I just want to put one more thing down he says that's the bit that I remember and that stresses on I and I think at this point your pot point at the start Scott he's just laid down his complete strategy which is I remember this and I'm not going to remember other stuff so he's he's already gone his here's my strategy I'm gonna forget stuff yeah yeah and I think that's the way it's laid out you can tell he's been hanging with some high-end lawyers because that's the perfect setup for that whole thing right out of the gate he says when she says I know how to draw me to her he says I met he doesn't say I met him he doesn't say say we met he says I met and that distances him from him from word one from the right out of the gate I met at and then you just got how it's done we're talking about that foot sticking out as well and it's really important you for the heart for the heartbeat but he's using it as a barrier as well so I'll be pointing those out as we go through because as he gets at some points you see go dank as he tries to subconsciously block what's coming at him it's it's this is and these angles they've done this are perfect and they're not just honing in on her like we saw the megyn kelly thing it's not about megyn kelly and it's not about this interviewer it's about the interviewee so this is a this is gonna be a it's gonna be a great learning exercise for the person who wants to learn about body language all of this goes back to your friendship with Jeffrey Epstein how did you first become friends how did you meet well I met through his girlfriend back in 1999 who and I'd known her since she was at university in the UK and it would be to some extent to stretch to say that that as well we were close friends remember we were friends because of other people and I had a lot of opportunity to go to the United States but I didn't have much time with him I suppose I saw him once or twice a year perhaps maybe massive over three times a year and quite often if I was in the United States and doing things and if he wasn't there he would say well why don't you come and use my house I said that's very kind thank you very much indeed but it would be it would be a considerable stretch to say that he was a very very close friend but he had the most extraordinary ability to bring extra TP to gether and that's the bit that I remember is going to the dinner parties where you would meet academics politicians people from the United Nations I mean it was a it was a is what a cosmopolitan group of whatever describers as US eminence of grace go the next was a it was a a cosmopolitan group of whatever describers as US eminence was that his appeal then was that what you because you you were perceived by the public as being the party Prince was that something innocence that's also a bit of a stretch I don't know why I've collected that title because I don't I I never have really parted I was single for quite a long time in the early eighties but then after I got married I was very happy and and I've never really felt the need to go in party and certainly going to Jefferies was not about partying absolutely not all right well here's what I'm seeing right around the gate on that one when he shakes his head no like saying yes that's the a perhaps that right there the first question and then he says I've never felt the need to party and you see the classic half shrug that goes into that again about his foot it's not about partying that's when his foot goes up for the first time we see that that that blockage go up then you see we see his limbic system kicking in because he's starting to dawn on where he's starting to feel just a little bit of heat at that point his nostrils flare a little bit and his eyes closed and his eyes closed all the way actually and when he's finished giving this statement you can as he's doing this he's rubbing his fingers like in the fashion of okay there's one down of a cop in accomplish wet in other words when you get when you see that so he gives that a sigh of relief as he's going through ah got through that one that went well and chase you're right when he's looking over to our right that's when he's recalling what he's heard now you know my feelings on I accessing you can correct you but uh you know what are you gonna do that's where he's going for remembering things anyway that's where his eyes that's where his eyes head so what do you see mark yeah so so nice baseline there on on that was his appeal yeah so he does upward inflection on that I think he's jumping there on this gift of compliance yeah and and we're gonna see this later on and I think what we're gonna see is the interviewer cleverly use that signal of I just one to then move in for the attack because she knows at this point she's got him optimistic about this so that was his appeal yeah and up his voice goes and he jumps on this gift he's got a compliant at that point now we see at this point that second that's a bit of a stretch but instead of doing the descriptor he's now clasped together my guess would be is that means that it's it's a different it's a different stretch from the first stretch in fact it's not a stretch else he would have described it I believe in in some way oh he sees blink rate go up and I'm sure chase will we'll talk about that I think we hear the the name of Jeffrey used in just-just-just Jeffrey not Epstein Jeffrey and the tonality of it seems to feel quite friendly now so let me leave it let me leave it that okay chase pretty good we see a lot in this we're gonna see a lot in all these yeah but we we got a really good baseline here about how he has truthful conversations he's talking about when he was younger and when he was married he makes about 50% eye contact so when we were talking to a person anytime you talked to a person we asked him a few questions that that are general that they have no reason to lie to and we see that when he's being truthful he looks off to the side and he makes less eye contact so he tends to make a ton like a hundred percent just about of eye contact when he's trying to be a little bit deceptive we'd also have another thing here this is the first he mentions Geoffrey's name in a very friendly way but it's also the only time you will ever hear it and this is in our field this is something we call psychological distancing or severity softening where we don't say the person's name I did not have sex with that woman phrases like that Greg what do you got yeah a few things one he's redefining party if you notice it's his stress word in the entire thing what he defines his party and what you define as party I would guarantee would be different and his idea of partying is probably back to your your tiger thing they might be clowns involved but this is one of those times that he's redefining that word if you listen to the stress he does something I call sacred space he's closed up and he starts to mill his hands that's an adapter and a barrier what you're doing in the reason I call it sacred space is you're taking control giving yourself a new place giving yourself a room and then making familiar the unfamiliar and it is a comforting move but also a blocking move to give yourself some room he drops his chin yes his chin down his brow up his eyes are closed and his respiration increases and you'll notice he's drifted when he opens his eyes he's drifting down to left down to the left is a different place than directly left when a person's accessing memory typically on their left and now this is where Scott I do believe in eye movement I do think it's powerful you need the baseline someone but if I ask you to calculate 15% of 980 and you try it you're gonna find an internal conversation about math going on your head and your eyes are gonna drift slightly down into your left in most people now your baseline each person and figure it out but over and over and over when he's walking through a minefield you see that activity that down left is he's thinking about what to say next and walking through it I agree with you a hundred percent mark that in the case of him going yeah he just felt a bite on the line and he's gonna let her run with it and he's teasing her to get her to go this is a great start down the tunnel she understands what's happening he doesn't think she does and the last thing I'll leave you at you can see the flirt in him here you can certainly see the flirt when he makes eye contact and he turns his head but still keeps eye contact and then draws that pulling taffy move that's the flirt right that's the draw you into my space and make it remembering that he is after all a real Prince not a fairytale Prince right excellent anybody else yeah I mean what yeah one thing I would have put on this is is is in the business of lying you can't be lazy about it if you can a lie you've really got to have a good understanding of what evidence is out there when it comes to you know I'm not really anybody who really parted just just there's too much evidence that that's not accurate and so everything from now on has been diminished for him because we have an image of Andrew in our head and he's suggesting that we're not right well this is this is kind of a gaslighting tactic he's going no reality isn't as you've seen it for the last several decades well that's gonna be hard for the for public opinion to stomach was a it was a a cosmopolitan group of whatever described as as US eminence was that his appeal then was that what you because you you were perceived by the public as being the party Prince was that something innocence that's also a bit of a stretch I don't know why I've collected that title because I don't like I never have really partied I was single for quite a long time in the early eighties but then after I got married I was very happy and and and I've never really felt the need to go and party and certainly going to Jeffrey's was not about partying absolutely not thank you anybody else very good absolutely not you said you weren't very good friends but would you describe him as a good friend did you trust him yes I think I probably did but again maybe I don't go into a friendship looking for the wrong thing if you understand what I mean I'm an engaging person I want to be able to engage I want to find out I want to learn and so but you have to remember that I was transitioning out of the Navy at the time and in the transition I wanted to find out more about what was going on because in the Navy it's a pretty isolated business because you're out at sea the whole time and I was going to become the Special Representative for international trade and investment so I wanted to know more about what was going on in the international business world and so that was another reason for going there and the opportunities that I had to go to Wall Street and other places to learn whilst I was there were were absolutely vital all right mark you go first yeah so what I want to hit on here is just how he's trying to control this using Authority and I think what I've heard Greg and chase talk about kind of reading out the the resume and and this idea of or so he starts with if you understand what I mean so it's pretty condescending so he's trying to get compliance by going if you don't join in with this train of thought my guess is is you're probably not smart enough to really understand this because you have to remember so there's a real instruction there you have to remember because it's vital so he's laying down really clear words of compliance and then he goes into because in the Navy Wall Street he's reading out this resume of why you would three with him right now and and many people might think well isn't that just kind of verbal tactics well for me it is nonverbal tactics because he's trying to create an atmosphere around himself something that will cause a sense of authority around him and gain compliance excellent Greg yeah so we're close on this one mark I call him Moses come down from the mountain he's a life of service he's done all these things for you Navy more than one time with a heavy influence this I needed to learn new things so I could even be a better servant to the British people I mean it that whole life of services here I think she lets him off the hook a little bit he feels that lack of pressure and he starts to be who he really is and to talk more normally I don't see a whole lot of deception here to you the same thing exactly I see he's building this aura around himself and he's Moses come down from the mountain exactly chase what do you get I think he secretly reveals a lot during this and he said he starts off by saying I don't go into a friendship looking for the wrong thing which may indicate why did you become friends with this person and he is feeling persecuted because of because of that so that's his first first line of defense is to say that and we noticed there's a little more distancing there's no pronouns when he refers to Epstein here and throughout the statement you know he's talking about the naval career there's a little bit of a shoulder shrug and we start to see a repetitive pattern that you'll see throughout the entire video when he needs some reassurance which he does a lot throughout this interview you'll see a big eyebrow flash and makes my contact a big eyebrow flash and make sure that he gets that he's kind of communicating uncertainty to make sure the other person nods and she does very frequently to help him keep moving along okay keep it short I'm seeing a lot of truth here so I'm not even there are some things are iffy but still I think there's more truth indicators than anything in this part degree building I do think he's being honest about one thing this guy Epstein the only reason that he had the power he had is because he had the ability to coordinate all these meetings and I do believe that there's real value in that to Andrew now and chase to your point when he said I don't seek out bad things doesn't mean bad things didn't come as a part of it that's a different discussion so I think sometimes when you're in when you're interviewing people they inadvertently give you all the building blocks and you have to figure out how it all goes together but I do think that all these celebrities and all of these wealthy and powerful people didn't go to Epstein because he was Epstein but because we could connect him with he's LinkedIn right yeah yeah and that's what gives him their what to say that so hey I was going everybody else is doing it I'm gonna - and there's a reason I'm doing it because I need to for business sir program absolutely not you said you weren't very good friends but would you describe him as a good friend did you trust him yes I think I probably did but again I mean I don't go into a friendship looking for the wrong thing if you understand what I mean I'm an engaging person I want to be able to engage I want to find out I want to learn and so we have to remember that I was transitioning out of the Navy at the time and in the transition I wanted to find out more about what was going on because in the Navy it's a pretty isolated business because you're out at sea the whole time and I was going to become the Special Representative for international trade and investment so I wanted to know more about what was going on in the international business world and so that was another reason for going there and the opportunities that I had to go to Wall Street and other places to learn whilst I was there were were absolutely vital very good yep right there were absolutely vital he was your guest as well in 2000 Epstein was a guest at Windsor Castle and at Sandringham he was brought right into the heart of the royal family at your invitation but certainly at my invitation not at the Royal Family's invitation but remember that it was his girlfriend that was the key element in this he was the as it were plus-one to some extent in that in that so I think ray yeah Bradley in that one he's really important to him to shut down that that whole bit about he came into there you know into the bowels of the of the royal family so he had to get hit he starts in on that earlier with that but stuff great witty yeah yeah so a couple of things right off he does something that Trump is very good at its that condescending pause and slow and over pronounced for example when I asked why he called it a Chinese virus he said he says because it's from China this is the same exact move and this is by Prince Andrew putting him side by side with Trump and you'll see the same body language that slow pitch across the teeth that condescending look at the same time and he's parsing facts this is one of those places where if I can take some of your facts apart then your story has no value and we've all done this in an interrogation room or in a body language session where a guy starts to say well I didn't kill four people I killed two people so your story's broken no matter how ludicrous it is you start taking the story apart by taking the underpinnings out of it and then he starts this whole plus one he's trying to get back to some kind of normal and I'll leave it at that Jason I think he's looking for confirmation from the other person again there's a couple of confirmation glances and this just happens when a person makes a statement and then looks up in the middle of it or right afterwards to make sure you bought it but most of its truthful I think he's trying to redirect narrative and we're setting up for the for the he wasn't my friend she was excellent mark what do you get yeah so that jump on the on the invite to - I think Sandringham may it may have been and saying that it was him not the royal family not the Queen and so it's really important for him at this point not to involve the monarch once that happens he's potentially as good as dead so he's he's and and clearly I would say from that he is not supported at this point he has no support from the monarch if there was support he would be saying it was it was a royal event and then it would be unquestionable but at this point it really is a case of another example I think of he's out on his own right now so he's he's surrendering his immunity of sorts almost and in that way and that then could explain some of this cascading of body languages starting to occur right after this mark I mean I'm just asking you please don't you know I've put that in Scott I just because I don't know anything about royal family really yeah yeah so the royal family has it has a history of having to save itself every now and again it has to save itself and keep the UK as a constitutional monarchy which means that the monarch has power but not really right and and this would be a great example of him really understanding that there's no way that he can involve the monarch and yet at the same time he's borrowed his mum's house think I don't think she knows were absolutely vital he was your guest as well in 2000 Epstein was the guest at Windsor Castle and at Sandringham he was brought right into the heart of the royal family at your invitation but certainly at my invitation not at the Royal Family's invitation but remember that it was his girlfriend that was the key element in this he was the as it were plus one to some extent in that in there very good there were were absolutely vital he was your guests as well in two thousand Eckstein was a guest at Windsor Castle and at Sandringham he was brought right into the heart of the royal family at your invitation but certainly at my invitation not at the Royal Family's invitation but remember that it was his girlfriend that was the key element in this he was the as it were plus-one to some extent in that in there this is my favorite one am i right in thinking through a birthday party for Epstein's girlfriend girl in Maxwell at Sandringham no it was a shooting weekend a shooting weekend straight forward straight forward shooting weekend but during these times that he was a guest at Windsor Castle at Sandringham the shooting weekend we now know that he was and had been procuring young girls for sex trafficking we now know that at the time there was no indication to me or anybody else that that was what he was doing alright that's my favorite one it's it's just like a Ricky Gervais bit I mean I've seen that a thousand times on everything he's ever done he does that one bit right there he's comically bracing himself for that whole thing he goes into everything moves and he gets ready he literally braces himself for that thing to happen you see his foot go up as a barrier when he's talking about that his hands of course clasp to because everything's gonna uh here we go cuz I don't think he knows how to quite and he's got an answer but that's not the answer he was gonna use because he's guys rehearsed stuff that he was shown or rehearsed and practice and told to say but don't think that's what he's doing there and his eyebrows are up for that request of approval greg's all he's talking about so he's waiting to he's sort of saying you believe it do you believe it so Greg what do you get yes so you hit most of them but that preparation for defense he's looking up right he's ramping himself embracing he breaks eye contact to come back you come back as a warrior coming back at her no indication to me the longest vowel in the entire conversation is me emphasizing me and then he says or anybody else he quickly fills in with a little at the end asking for approval his brow is up and then there's a there's a follow-on I don't know if ur gonna cover it Scott if we do cut this piece but then he says and if there was and if there was okay mark were you good yeah so let's see whether we cover that if there was but there's a huge swallow gesture there on that and then a that a bunch of resume don't go into let me go let me go back a little bit which is that no so it was just just a shooting weekend you know a straightforward shooting shooting we check we came to mat know that comes before it is what we've called condescension because it is literally with a dissent condescend it's with a dissent and this idea of going from high to low and showing I'm high status and you're low status it's there again to get compliance from the interviewer you know luckily she's she's or not luckily she's done a lot of work on being too good for him so it's not she's not complying with it at this point I'll hold back on on some other ideas because I think hopefully we'll have some follow-ons please pretty yet right here we have a large inhale right into the chest there's a postural shift there's digital flexion which just means the fingers are squeezing in towards the hands and we have a temporary gaze aversion which is when we're making eye contact with somebody they asked me a question and do this right before I answer which are all deceptive markers but those things need to kind of combine together like Legos to for us to say that's probably deception but they came together pretty damn well and this one yep and one of the fact if you're looking at somebody breathing if you watch a human sleeping their belly will go up and down not their chest relaxed people and he's been on camera all the time and we shouldn't explain away the nervousness from the cameras relaxed people breathe in their abdomen and stress people breathe into their chest and it's pretty easy to see in any conversation we see this big breath in the chest later in the conversation when he gets more comfortable it goes right into the abdomen excellent very good yeah one last thing as we're watching him throughout this entire thing chase I love the fact you pick up on that chest rising as you're watching this thing any time his back is turned or anytime he's in an oblique watch his respiration increasing because it gets pretty damn fast moving over the next few minutes yeah because I we're gonna talk about his pulse rate here in a few minutes chase but at one point I think I'm clocking around I know it's it's 90 up 90 around the seventh question right there I could be wrong about that because I kept looking and looking and looking but me and he's he's burning through through some of that heart rate wise and I think exactly at 13 minutes he is a hundred and three okay yeah and I think I think we're coming at this point to a moment of a first real score where there's a real turnaround for me in the in the interview and the interviewer interrogator really scores of triumph aspect immersion thing you threw a birthday party for Epstein's girlfriend girl in Maxwell at Sandringham no it was a shooting weekend a shooting week just a straightforward straightforward shooting weekend but during these times that he was a guest at Windsor Castle at Sandringham the shooting weekend do we now know that he was and had been procuring young girls for sex trafficking we now know that at the time there was no indication to me or anybody else that that was what he was doing okay you had to remember that at the time I was patron of the NSPCC s full-stop campaign so I was close up with what was going on in those time about getting rid of abuse to children so I knew what was what what the things were to look for but I never saw them so you would have made that connection because you stayed with him you were a visitor a guest on many occasions at his homes and nothing struck you as suspicious during that whole time just for the record all right chase what do you got we see a lot here and in this video we see him start to develop his narrative and we see a little more lip licking behavior which we call hygienic gestures we see the stroking of the hands back and forth and this is a pacifying gesture I think it's meant to calm him down a little bit he knows the questions are getting a little bit more difficult and you'll typically see him do this for the rest of the interview after he answers a difficult question to kind of calm himself back down and you'll see his hands and feet go crazy and further a body part is from the head the harder it is to control when you've got adrenaline flowing through you so his foot is in a great spot for an interrogator to watch that happen excellent Greg what do you get yeah so a couple of things he does steepling you know this thing where you put your hands up this way oh never anybody who's ever watched the Simpsons mr. burns is like excellent you know it's an authority figure it's also a compromising thing because your hands rotate as you're feeling more and more compromised as I want to agree with you my fans will do that and then even you'll see people's hands upside down as they feel compromised I have a great picture mark of tony blair staying in front of Condoleezza Rice with his hands down like yeah really bad idea so it's a it's a gimme if you're a body language guy then in persons it's doing this I love it because I can watch your hands rotate as I get control it's a wonderful tool and you can see him also grinding his fingertips to your point chase he's starting to adapt trying to get comfortable rub he's trying to contain that body language in his fingertips somebody's coached him to pay attention he there's also he says in here I he takes holy ground again I was the saint looking out for children who being abused and later in the same interview says well I wouldn't have noticed anything like that because I wouldn't have suspected it well come on you can't have it both ways so I think he steps into a bear trap here that she uses against him later it's a resume statement yes it is and later when he says I would not notice it he's discounting his resume which is beautiful yeah mark yeah so let's just just dig into that resume statement because I think it's really important for people to understand what he's talking about there the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children and he's saying well you you have to remember so I knew he uses this a lot he uses ideas like well it's funny or you know you need to understand or you have to remember you have to remember at that time I was the patron of the NSPCC so that he was the father of it he's saying there is absolutely no way that I can ever be involved in anything like that because I've taken a patron such herb you know position and of course we know that's not factual and in fact Britain has a history of people hiding in plain sight and using these institutions and and founding them and certainly supporting them in order that they can look you know clean so as as a public we're not really buying it it's a foolish move of his and it doesn't make any sense and I think because of all of those things we know he's not connected with his audience at the moment he has no help at the moment I think I think Greg to your point he's going back to coaching that he's had he may be going back to resistance to interrogation that he may have had as a helicopter pilot my guess is he would certainly have had that he's keeping himself very tucked in very still but he's using some he's making some classic errors of how not to perform in this kind of situation and I believe it's because he has no help at this point he's on his own he has no advice and he's not taking any advice do you work resistance to interrogation has its place and the person who knows what they're doing and I won't point out what they're doing certainly has some tools I will say that the one thing he does very well throughout this thing is he is a master of stammering for a fact he it's his pattern it's how he controls a conversation he sets up the next sentence Scott you and I talk move it about this you have some more insight on that piece and I think you could add that in here yes so what's bugging me here is we're seeing him explain that he's the guy in charge or he's one of the main guys understands what this is what it is when when when people are trafficking children and he says he knows what these things are to look for however he doesn't see him and I think as trainers we know what those things are and we be able to point him out instantly as soon as we saw something like that you have to remember that at the time I was patron of the NSPCC s full-stop campaign so I was close up with what was going on in those time about getting rid of abuse to children so I knew what was what what the things were to look for but I never saw them so you would have made that connection because you stayed with him you were a visitor a guest on many occasions at his homes and nothing struck him as suspicious during that whole time anybody got anything else not good goodbye just for the record you've been on his private plane yes you've been to stay on his private island yes you've stayed at his home in Palm Beach yes you visited Galen Maxwell's house in Belgravia in London yes all right what do you got chase so to Greg's point one thing when we look at a movement what I called for just me personally I call it home where is someone's home when we asked him a question of what happened certain day there his home is to our right somewhere near the middle area and when we ask somebody a geographical location and we asked him to imagine visual things or geography they typically look another direction so we get another sense of that here when we asked him where it was and he was making sure so his to his up and left is a little geographical area and maybe all we're doing is just kind of collecting some data points here but we see that completely accurate instantaneous yeah yep yep and during those there's some i blocking going on and we kind of close our eyes during some we're recalling something emotional or recalling something that we really don't want to do but right at the end when they're talking about the house in London you see him say yes followed by an immediate eye flutter behavior afterwards which I think shows that something happened there and if I'm the interviewer that's the moment that I pushed the shovel into the dirt I'm gonna start digging the moment that I see that I flutter because it was one behavior one behavior one behavior and then we see a flutter in response to the other one okay I'm like I'm gonna add something to that because I think there's something really important going on here with the third question there when he says yes to that the the first time first question she asked him he said he closed his eyes two times and we've talked before about and chase you call it the when the lands closes really quickly because you're waiting to look at something really quick so you're yeah the shutter speed your eyes Jesus relaxed that first one yeah things cool he's got two blanks there the second question for all right a little bit more I'm the third one he only goes to two but there's so much going on in that third thing something's up something has happened at that house something's going on there because here's what here's what we see when she asked that the first one yes his lips pursed a little bit he's like yeah here we go she's gonna nail me for being at these places that's understandable and then when he gets to the third one when he talks about the the home in or is it Palm Beach the right side of his upper lip goes up a little bit like is in contempt or disdain or whatever we see that go that and his cheek as well we see that we'll get into micro-expressions for me that we're not really doing that because these things are so big so let's but let's let's dial down on some of this stuff and I think something either bad happened there something's not right there it's the only place where when he answers these his eyebrows go up he looks for that I don't know if he's looking for approval or what's going on there Greg you have to look you have to you have to see that again but there's something on there it's the only time we see that the bottom parts of the whites of his eyes is eyes open so wide we can see those that's the only time we see that he's running something something in there has happened because we're seeing that that almost Pam's laws were padlocked reaction to that to that question when that word comes up he's like bang something happens there very quickly that he may be ready for that I can't tell but that's the only time as the eyebrows lift that high and it's and it's his longest delay before he answers all the other ones are just like the rhythm is right there is loping but when he hits that one there's a there's a slight just a little longer of a pause before he before he answers so I would say something's up there either he had a bad experience there or it was afraid he's gonna get busted there or something's up in that situation I don't know what it is maybe we'll find out later on but I would I would try to remember that the the the Palm Beach house because I think something's up there I think something's up there mark what do you got yeah so let's just look at the tonality of of those yeses because they're a good baseline if we we take away everything that we're seeing he goes yes yes yes all the tonality czar the same around that a great baseline for us to to judge these telling the truth they're very different from what we heard before yeah yeah yeah very different now absolutely we see on that third one those eyes dart across and there all of us there again will there summon up there well I think there are two things up number one is we're gonna find out there's a photograph first heart okay there's a picture taken in that place but there's summing up as well because he already has his argument for that he already has his argument for that and he gave away his argument at the start which is that I do remember but other stuff he just doesn't recall he doesn't remember and so I think that dart across is number one about ah yeah that's that's the place with the photograph and I've got my solution I've got my way out of that one I don't remember it and then we're gonna go into a whole bunch of stuff around the idea that if you can't prove that a photograph isn't fake it could be me this one is preparation right this is a naval officer and royalty he's prepared for this that yes yes yes these are facts I think you are starting to see real fight or flight here he does a math grooming move if you notice this what he pushes its tongue there's a reason you're doing that protein builds up in your mouth from stress and mucous membranes start to decay fairly quickly without blood flow and the things dry up and then a little bit of mucus comes in and the next thing you know you got the stringy garbage producing in your mouth and yourself groom I've seen that thousands of times in sere I would see protein buildup in the corners your mouth you get white protein caked up and your mouth because the level of stress that's a really bad indicator that a person is in fight-or-flight that you'll probably never see in your life but here you're seeing it in a very wealthy person who is under high stress from a different cause that internal mouth group grooming is because he's dry in the mouth you may not have protein breakdown yet but he's certainly a mucous membrane but he's certainly feeling the effects of fight or flight number one I think the quick glance is because he's prepared very well to answer yes I did this yes I did this yes I did this and I think to your guy's point he has a plan for how he is going to unfold this story and this is one of those old moments I don't want to jump ahead that far I think he has a plan and so you see that movement otherwise you guys have covered everything except respiration is ramping rapidly now fight or flight you see the nostrils flaring see the skin getting lighter and the best part of this whole thing is he's aging as you watch him his face is looking older by the minute so that by the end of this and guys were seven minutes in and you're seeing his eyes bagging his face sagging all of those things that you expect from a president who goes through this but not in seven minutes you're seeing a difference in his face the stress is there just for the record you've been on his private plane yes you've been to stay on his private island yes you've stayed at his home in Palm Beach yes you visited Galen Maxwell's house in Belgravia in London yes no here we go here in London yes so in 2006 in May an arrest warrant was issued for Epstein for sexual assault of a minor yes in July he was invited to Windsor Castle to your daughter Princess Beatrice's 18th birthday why would you do that because I was asking Guerlain but even so at the time I don't think I certainly I wasn't aware when the invitation was issued what was going on in the United States and I to where until until the media picked up with me because he never said anything about it alright now this is the part where it's easy to say what his pulse rate is from looking at that that foot sticking out there you know so chase well we start with you so that artery is pushing the foot and little jerks and you can see it this luckily we've got HD video of his feet so if you if I think his foot was on camera for seven seconds his foot went about eight or nine times and I did nine divided by whatever times I saw it and then multiply that by 60 and we got a pulse rate so if we saw X number of things in 12 seconds 12 divided by six or whatever is whatever and then we'll multiply that by 16 that'll give me the heart rate but what we're seeing here is we see more severity softening here and severity softening for for you watching it's this is so one of the most common things when we do an interrogation for somebody that's guilty they don't want to say murder they'll say hurt they don't want to say steal they'll say take they don't want to say rape though they'll say have sex with so we'll soften the severity of everything and it's so so deep here that he doesn't say when I found out about the sex ring he just says when I found out about what was happening in America so this is this is a big deal to look for in the in the next few videos okay Greg what do you got yeah his blunt race through the roof watch his tie and you can see his pulse pounding it's almost like a little signal there you can see he's ramped up he hits the whole moment here for sure he seemed rolling his eyes and then he he goes to his stammering defense words he goes back to the idea friend it was my friend it was Golan it wasn't him and you know I don't care who it was if tomorrow Scott I found out that your best friend was a was a child trafficker I'd say Scott you're welcome your child trafficking friend can stay home you know that kind of thing but he's got an excuse for this if you watch him you'll see that moment when he realizes that this is going to be a problem he's poised for a fighter flight all this stuff starts to ramp up he goes back to his defense words he stumbles any person and he starts to pursed his lips are the things that I noticed in it agree with you 100% that softening worms that blame [ __ ] people blame share they go to softening words they try to get away from the act right right and I had a deception on that okay mark what do you get I just want to mark out one thing to Greg's earlier point on the words arrest warrant from the interviewer you get a push of the tongue inside the mouth here so you know there's that moment there of you've now been friends with somebody who definitely has an arrest warrant so there is crime going on you are you're friends with somebody who needs arresting for something criminal my guess would be in fact my knowledge would be is you don't get a warrant unless there's really good evidence so the moment you've got an arrest warrant for a crime of that nature it's pretty good you know pretty good that something went on okay and I would add one more thing which again is this authority idea is that they both pronounced Gail n jizz length differently differently and it's very marked how to say you don't know how to pronounce my friend's name you don't you're not part of this group this group is a little bit higher than you and you don't know how to even use the right words somebody who didn't want compliance and was looking for relationship would most likely just join in on the name being pronounced slightly wrong you know they from their point of view he's very clear about letting the interviewer know that she keeps pronouncing in his mind his friend's name incorrectly she's not part of the same society here in London yes so in 2006 in May an arrest warrant was issued for Epstein for sexual assault of a minor yes in July he was invited to Windsor Castle to your daughter Princess Beatrice's 18th birthday why would you do that because I was asking d'Alene but even so at the time I don't think I certainly I wasn't aware when the invitation was issued what was going on in the United States and I wasn't aware until until the media picked up on it because he never said anything about it anybody else want to have you think I want to add to this for II get out of here just just stay tuned because if you thought that was pretty bad his worries a lot worse [Music]

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Length: 58min 16sec (3496 seconds)

Published: Wed May 27 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/Archiethere85]

TLDW: Prince Andrew is full of shit.

[u/officialcounterbore]

These guys claim to be unbiased, which I believe to be true as they are very, very experienced and professional in what they do. Genius video. I love it.

[u/peepPoop8]

Lol.We don't need experts for this one

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[u/BoopBeepBopp]

Love this stuff. Great video.

[u/Murray_the_miser]

Altough I really appreciate the analysis of the four men, you don’t really need an expert to see that Prince Andrew is telling horseshit. The video is worth seeing tough!

[u/pennylane-12]

wow what an incredible video.

[u/llam06]

Really great breakdown I love these guys! Edit- anyone with an IQ over 70 can see prince Andrew is full of crap and lying horrendously