The Vtuber Rap God Returns (ft. Mori Calliope) | Trash Taste #74

- Pop, pop, pop. - Can we all do the mouth? (mouths popping) - Are we good? - Shut up everyone! - Yay. (bright upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to another episode of Trash Taste. I am your host for today, Garnt, and with me, as usual, are the boys, Joey, and whoever this baby man is right now. And- - 15 Year old, Connor. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - We've got 15 year old, Connor. And once again, we have another special guest with us. If you remember, it has been exactly one year? - Oh, no, a little close, very close though. - Yeah, pretty close. I think it's been a little bit over a year, but I'm glad to see you guys again. Always happy to appear as a guest, if you will have me. - Who are you? Introduce yourself. - I guess I should do that, people that don't know. (Mori and Garnt chuckles) Hi, my name is Mori Calliope and I am from hololive English, first-generation Myth, and basically, I'm the first apprentice of the Grim Reaper, but I mostly do music and streaming these days. So yeah, thank you very much for having me. I have been on the podcast before, actually, this is round number two, highly requested by- - Couldn't get enough. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Yeah, we were just at the Conbini and we were like, "Oh, Calli, yo, come on, we got your call, come here." - Yeah sure. - You got a new outfit, looking great, by the way. - Thank you very much. - You even got your own mic as well. - You brought your own microphone. (Garnt laughs) - I did, I did, I love that I decided to. - Is that the moment you were in? (Garnt and Joey laughs) - Yeah, wanted it to be as convenient as possible. - Top quality. - Top quality, top quality. - Nice. - Yeah, so how've you been? It's been like a good year. - Oh man, tired but good. (Garnt chuckles) Tired but good, I think. (Mori chuckles) - Could you be more tired than last time? I remember last time you were like, "Grim Reaper has a part-time job and another part-time job." - You were working three jobs at the time, right? - [Connor] Yeah, it was insane. - I was, I was. I was super busy, but then I finally got into a position where I could focus completely on what I'm doing now, so I'm very lucky. - [Joey] Hell yeah, nice. (Mori chuckles) - I'm very lucky. And I'm glad that it turned out that way because yeah, I definitely would've died, which is ironic considering who I am. (Garnt chuckles) So it would have been a bad situation, but interestingly enough, I feel now that I'm controlling my own schedule, I'm busier than I was before. - Yeah. - Yeah. - 'Cause you're filling in all the blanks, that's how it works. - [Mori] Exactly. - You're like, "Oh, I have one second free at this moment, I could schedule a meeting." - [Mori] I could stream here. (Garnt and Mori chuckles) - Yeah, I remember the last time talking to you, you were just like, "Yeah, I'm working three jobs, I kind of feel bad if I quit one." And I think it took a month for you to realize, yeah, that's just not doable. - [Connor] That's just somehow (laughing). (Mori laughs) - That was a bad idea. - Just impossible. - It's a good thing to honor your commitments. But there's also a point where honoring your commitments actively fucks yourself over. - [Mori] Not good. - So you can always just be like, "Oh, this just isn't working out for me. I'm gonna not do this, I think." - I think the last time you were on the podcast you had, I think, 300,000 subs or something like that. - Yeah, how long have you been doing VTubing at that point? How long had that been? - Oh, let's see. I think it had only been about two or three months since we all had debut together. - Yeah, you were a baby back then, I remember. (Connor laughs) I think hololive English just got announced a few months before we started filming that episode, so it was like super, super fresh. - And now you're at how many subs now? - I think we just hit 1,750,000 subscribers recently. - [Connor] Woo. Well, maybe, I don't know. (hands clapping) (Garnt celebrates) - Big up. - [Mori] But thank you, I'm doing my best. - It's pretty impressive after a year, honestly, to any capacity. - I wish I could hit that in a year. - [Joey] Yeah, right? - My God. - [Joey] It's great. - I mean, I do think a lot of it has to do with my music, personally. - [Joey] Oh, yeah. - Because I think that, that's where the majority of my fans come from. In fact, I see a lot of comments these days saying, "I don't really know what a VTuber is, but I like Mori's music." So that's cool. (Garnt and Mori chuckles) That's always, I'm happy to see that as well. - Does it feel like a year? Or does it feel like five years? - It's like it changes every day. Every day I feel a different way about it. I feel like, maybe for example, yesterday I was reflecting back and man, time has gone by so fast, but the previous week I was like, "Man, what a long year it's been." (Garnt chuckles) Have I been doing this for five years, maybe? - YouTube is like a reverse hyperbolic time chamber. - [Garnt] Yeah, yeah it is. - It's like, "Oh God, I feel like I've done this for a decade." It's like, "Oh, it's been two months, aw shit, all right." - Yeah, sometimes as a YouTuber, it feels like five years or five months, I can't tell sometimes. - I mean, it must feel like (laughing) ages for you. - Oh my fuck, I've been- - You've been doing this for how long now? - I feel like I've aged a hundred years on YouTube. (Joey laughs) My God. - Yeah, there are some OGs, that's for sure. (Mori chuckles) - Oh, go on, go on. - Oh, sorry, I completely forgot what I was going to say now. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - I'm sorry I interrupted you from hosting. - Come on, we've been doing this for how many episodes now? - Bad host, bad host. - No problem. Man, but I do have to say though, one thing that has really made it seem like it's been a long time is realizing just how little I knew at the beginning. - Yeah, yeah, how much have you learnt? - Oh, God, I mean, honestly, to be completely real with you guys, as I mentioned before, I did a lot of music stuff before this as well, but I feel like this year I've put out more content than I have in my entire career before this year. - Oh, yeah. - And I really learned a lot about work ethic. And what it means to consistently put out content every single day. - Yeah, that's something you don't really think about when you get into the online creation field, is that it is a job and you have to schedule your job. - Just call Garnt out, just call him out. (Garnt and Mori laughs) (Connor chuckles) You guys like content? Aw shit, I'm gonna upload the- - [Garnt] Content? What is that? - Scheduling, what's that? - Guys, I'm working on something big, I swear to God. (Mori laughs) - Everybody's got to- - Maybe this fifth Fate video will be the one. - Five months later. (Mori laughs) (Garnt and Joey chuckles) - I feel like everyone has a different interpretation of what content consists of. (Garnt laughs) Like (laughing)- - She's learning. (all laughs) It really depends on the person. For example, I've seen plenty of requests for a sleeping stream. And that's not really what I'm interested in, but I've seen plenty of others do it and I guess, quote, unquote, do it well. - How's that going on? You've done that, right? - Yeah, you've done that. (Mori laughs) - When I see VTubers sleep, I'm like, "Oh, that's cheating, that's cheating." - Yeah, you can, like I- - I'm like, come on, unless there's a chance that you could expose your bare ass, I feel like it's not really, well, there's no danger there. (Mori chuckles) - Right. - I feel like as a VTuber, you could cheat the system somewhere, right? - Yeah but the model, the model can just kinda prop. You have this wonderful ability where- - Not saying you would do that, of course, Calli. - No, no, no, of course not. - Of course, of course not. - Nah, it's cool, you can call it like it is, I'm fine, I'll take it. - VTubers have this amazing ability that when they're not there, they can still be there. So I feel like it kind of takes away some of the magic of sleeptube. (Joey laughs) - Yeah, Calli can just sleep in another room but she would still be, right. - Just put on a sleep track, snoring in the background and it's me, I'm actually in another room. I mean, it's scary though, what if you sleep talk? you can't risk that. - Okay, I did leave my mic. (Mori chuckles) Just 'cause I didn't wanna- - You didn't want to take that risk? - Yeah, I didn't wanna... I sometimes sleep talk, I sleep shout as well. I've been noticing- - I don't know what kind of racist shit I'm shouting. (everyone laughs) - I recently went on a trip with Chris, and he said that I woke up at night, and just shouted and then woke up, and then just went back to bed after I shouted. - What, are you okay? - I do that, I do that, it happens, yeah, it happens. - Really? - [Garnt] Do you guys snore a lot? - Just holding back these Ws in my dream, man. (Joey and Garnt laughs) So what can I say? - Do you guys snore at all? When you sleep? - I want to tell you no, Garnt, but let's be honest, I probably do. - Yeah, no, you definitely do. - Okay, shit. - You definitely do. - Okay, call me out, all right. (Garnt chuckles) - I remember, I think it was the drifting special, where someone was snoring bad on the drifting special. 'Cause like- - Probably Chris, it must be Chris. (Garnt chuckles) - Let's just blame Chris, anyway, he's not here, let's blame Chris. - He can't defend himself, can he? So. - You know that you always have that one friend who just is the snorer of the group. And it's always like a time limit. It's always like a race to get to sleep before that guy starts snoring, right? (Garnt and Mori laughs) - And if there's like multiple snorers, there's always two level one people. (Garnt and Mori laughs) And then there's like one level 100 person. You're clearly making like 90% of the noise. - What I hate is when there's two people, who, normally, they're just level one snorers, but for some reason when they sleep together, they feed into each other, right? (Joey and Mori laughs) - It's the resonance of the snores. (Garnt laughs) - And it becomes this horrible cacophony of snoring. - How'd you know if you're a snorer though? That's the question. - Well, usually a partner tells. - My significant half tells me. - Yeah, same. - Oh yeah. (Joey chuckles) I'm just, I'm not recording myself sleep, what do I know? - Has anyone ever told you if you snore, or if you sleeptalk? - Yeah. - Or anything like that? - I went on a trip with Kiara a while ago, we went to Hokkaido and she said that I just talked so much in my sleep. All the time. - I do that too. - She was like, "One night you sounded sad, like you were crying then one night you were laughing, and it was horrifying." (Connor laughs) - Wow. - Those bars are just constantly coming, right? (Garnt and Mori laughs) - They don't stop, they don't stop. - I just performed the entirety of Rap God in my sleep. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - You're like an oracle to the Rap God. - I mean, I guess I could at this point, I did practice that song a lot. - It's like she's speaking. - Oh, oh, can you perform Rap God now? - Let's see, ♪ Summa-lumma, dooma-lumma, you assumin' I'm a human ♪ ♪ What I gotta do to get it through to you ♪ ♪ I'm superhuman, innovative and I'm making ♪ That's it. (Mori chuckles) - [Connor] Woo. - I don't have the lyrics in front of me, that's the problem. - That was pretty fucking impressive. - You could've been lying to me there, and I wouldn't have known. (Mori laughs) It doesn't sound like English. - Oh yeah. - you could've just said yes. - Oh yeah, yes. - We would have believed you. - Well, I did a rap endurance stream recently, where I mastered quote, unquote, mastered Godzilla, Rap God and the PokeRap. And interestingly enough, the most difficult of all of them was the PokeRap. - Oh yeah, yeah, yes. - How do you pronounce Gyrados? Like, is it Gehruhdows? - How do you pronounce it? - I always say Garuhdowz. - Garuhdowz. - Garuhdowz. - I say Garuhdowz. - See, that's the interesting thing, is that I went on Google Sensei who told me that the pronunciation is different in American English. - Really? - And UK English. - How do you say it? - I say Garuhdowz but I know they say Gehruhdows, or something like that. - Yeah. - Gehruhdows? - Gehruhdows. - What the fuck is that? - I say Garuhdowz. - Garuhdowz. - Because in Japanese it's Gyaradosu. - Yeah I know, bro. - So I just take it from there. (Garnt and Mori chuckles) - I know but I mean, this, what we're talking about, I've always got it from the English dub, which I swear, they say Garuhdowz. - But the English stuff is never consistent. - Yeah but we're also stupid, we're British. You have to understand something. - I remember liking the English dub, 'cause there was another one that always gets heatly debated, is, do you say Groudon or do you say Grudon? - Groudon, I've always thought it was Groudon. - Grudon, who the fuck says Grudon? - Because in the anime they say it two different times. - I'm gonna show my age now, what's Grudon? (Joey and Mori laughs) Is that one of the newer Pokemon? - It's gen three. - That's from the third gen. (Garnt laughs) - The third gen is my favorite, to be honest. - It's the same gen that Rayquaza is from. - You don't know Groudon? - Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald. - Oh that's why. - [Joey] Yeah, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald. - I think I- - And Groudon is the guy on the front of the Ruby cover, the big guy, the boss. - [Garnt] The Godzilla-looking one? - Yeah. - What's the blue one called? - Kyogre. - [Joey] Yeah, Kygore. - It's the fucking stingray, right? (Joey and Mori laughs) - That's like a whale one. (hands clapping) - That's what killed Steve Irwin. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Steve Irwin died from Kyogre, obviously. (Joey and Mori laughs) - Oh no. - Wait, what's his name? - [Joey] Kyogre. - Kyogre. - Yeah, something like that. K-Y-O-G- - But I've heard it being pronounced Keeogre. - Where did the name come from? That's just not a memorable name for me, right? Like Lugia, that's an easy name to remember. Like Zapdos, easy name to remember, like fucking Ruby, Sapphire passed, I swear they're just using Welsh, you know. It's just- - Hey, what the fuck? Don't bring Welsh into this. - How am I supposed to remember this? - My man, you do not want to play the newer ones then. - Yeah, the newer ones are like- - Do you like Klefki? (Mori and Garnt laughs) - What? - He is my favorite. - You know Klefki, right? - [Mori] Which one is that? It's the key. - It's literally the pair of keys. - It's the pair of keys. - It's my favorite fucking Pokemon. - It's like an actual strong Pokemon for trolling as well. - [Mori] Wow, that's kinda cool. - Steel fairy type. - I feel like they just dropped a ball on the keyboard and then just, yeah, okay, that's the Pokemon name now. (Mori laughs) - Garbados, is it, what is it? - Garbage dose? (Connor laughs) - Yes, it's literally a garbage Pokemon. - Garbados or something? - Yeah, Garbados, yeah. - Garbados, it's the garbage Pokemon. It's just literally garbage. - [Garnt] A garbage dose. - It's a trash bag with hands and legs. - [Garnt] Okay. (Garnt laughs) - It's fucking awesome. - There's an ice cream one too. - Oh yeah, Vanilluxe. - They were out of ideas, I see. - (laughing) What? - No, not, Vanilla Ice. (Joey, Connor, Garnt and Mori laughs) That's a rapper. - 'Cause I was gonna say, the rapper? - Isn't that a character from JoJo's? (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Is that a motherfucking JoJo reference, dog? (Garnt laughs) Shee. (Garnt laughs) (Mori chuckles) - Oh man. - Oh, so sorry about this. - See, that's why the PokeRap is so hard though, because I'll think that I got through it. I'll be like, oh yeah, Pigit, and then the chat will just be full of, "It's Pidgeot, you dummy." - [Joey] Pigit. (Connor, Garnt and Joey laughs) - Ah, I guess we're starting over again, great, that's the second to last name in the PokeRap, we get to start all the way over. - How long is the PokeRap? 'Cause I assume you did the full version with all 151. - 150, yeah, exactly 150. - I think it's three minutes but it feels like 30. - But didn't they put it at the end of the episodes? - Yeah. - But they only put like a small snippet. - [Connor] Oh, did they? - Right. - [Joey] Yeah, yeah, it's only half of them, I think. The full one is three, four minutes, something like that. - Yeah, it's about three to four minutes, but the hardest part is remembering how to pronounce everything without people being like, "Hey, that ain't right." - The one line that always stuck with me during the PokeRap, 'cause I grew up with that shit, is, did you perform it properly, Calli? Where it's like, the last line is, like Charmeleon and then it's Wartortle. - Wartortle. - Yeah, it's like they got a metal singer, and it's like- (Garnt and Mori laughs) It's for, only that part though, it's like, Charmeleon, it's like, Wartortle. - [Mori] Wartortle. - And I'm like, holy, fuck it, what happened with Wartortle, dog? (Garnt laughs) Jesus Christ. - We were making fun of that, actually. During the stream, my chat was really excited about that one part. - [Joey] Yeah, I didn't know the PokeRap- - Ladybeard appears out of nowhere just like (laughing) (Mori laughs) - [Mori] I got this. - I didn't know this rap song required a fucking death growl and a metal singer. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Yeah, pretty fun. - That's a fun song though. - Fun song. - Yeah because I remember always trying to learn the PokeRap when I was younger and I can't rap. (Mori laughs) As we've all established. - I dunno, man. - I would pay good money to watch a childhood Garnt in his mirror, trying to sing the Pokemon rap. I would pay a lot of money for that, pleasure. - How many Pokemon are there nowadays? - 700 and something. - [Mori] Oh boy. - Yeah, 750 odd. - We're gonna reach 1,000, someday. - At which point, do you guys recognize all the Pokemon? - No. - No. - [Mori] I've given up. - I think I know what gen they're from. - Yeah, I can tell you what gen they're from but I couldn't tell you the names. - But I don't know the names, yeah, the names are impossible, the names are like hard mode. But didn't, who's that YouTuber? Brian, the guys from Polygon. - Oh, Brian David Gilbert. - Yeah, didn't he? - He made a new PokeRap. - Where they had all of them. - It fucking was insane, yeah. He split up to three separate parts of the song, basically. - [Joey] Oh my God. - And he did every Pokemon, it was fucking insane. - [Joey] I wanna see that. - [Connor] It's very good, it's very good. - Yeah, I'm curious now. - And he performed it live, as well, at a panel. - [Joey] Wow. - Which is even more insane. - [Joey] Holy shit. - [Man] I told you, the Pokemon now, is 898. - So we're boomers, we're even in 800 now. (Garnt laughs) - 898. - Wow, that's a lot. - I'm curious, you've been streaming now for over a year now. What are some of the fun streams that you've done? Like the unique ones that have really stood out in your mind, I'm curious 'cause I want to know what kind of streams you jive with most. - What is your favorite content that you've produced? (Joey laughs) - [Connor] Yeah, content. (Garnt laughs) - Content. - Quote, unquote content, I did a staring contest, one time. - Wait, how does that, wait, what, you did? - [Mori] Yes. - How did I not see this? - [Mori] I was at a friend's house that I hadn't seen in a while and I really couldn't reschedule hanging out with her. So I went into the bathroom in the morning and I took my laptop, I took my USB microphone, I pulled myself real up close to the camera, and I did a staring contest with everyone, and it did really well, actually, there were a lot of people viewing that stream at once. - [Joey] Of course it did. - [Connor] How long did that last? - About an hour but see it kind of devolved, it wasn't entirely, only me staring at everyone. In the beginning I started off being, just kind of sleepy and quite frankly, a bit rude. (Garnt and Mori chuckles) To everyone in chat, I feel a little bad about that. But then afterwards we got onto some fun content, quote, unquote content. I actually went and I found some old copy pastas to try and read without cracking a smile on the stream. And I got through Shrek, I got through Shrek is- - Actually, that actually sounds like- - Oh, Shrek is love, Shrek is life. - It sounds like a genius idea, I wanna steal this. (Connor and Joey chuckles) - [Mori] Yeah, I recommend it. - Dude, meme streams always perform amazing, yeah. - Yeah, the one that got me though, I don't know if you guys know this one, of all the ones to get me, the one that got me was Club Penguin Is Kil. - Oh, yeah (laughing) - I love that one. - I love that one. - [Garnt] What is that one? - [Mori] Boy, I think you gotta experience it for yourself. - Can you perform it? - If I could pull it up on my phone, I'd do it for 'ya, but (laughing). - [Joey] We need to get it, dog. - Is it a copypasta, is it a meme, what is it? - [Connor] Mm-hmm, copypasta. - Yeah, it's like a tweet actually. - Oh, okay, okay. - Thanks. - A live reading. - [Garnt] Yeah, a live reading of Club Penguin. - And I'll try not to laugh this time, 'cause it actually wasn't the copypasta itself that got me to laugh, it was chat. - [Joey] Here's the one, right? - [Connor] Yeah. (Joey and Connor chuckles) - Here you go. - [Cameraman] No explanations. - Just gotta go into the void now, we just gotta cut. Roll this camera on me, camera on me. - [Joey and Garnt] All right, cut. - All right, here's my live reading. (clears throat) Here we go. This is from Sergeant Arch Dornan who left a tweet about the Club Penguin after it shut down. "Apolgy for bad English. Where were you when Club Penguin die? I was at house eating Dorito when phone ring. (Connor and Joey chuckles) Club penguin is kil." (Garnt, Connor and Joey laughs) No. (Garnt and Mori laughs) Why is it fun, just why? (Mori laughing) Just, what is it, about it, that is so fun? - It's the Dorito, man. - It's the Dorito, it's a single Dorito. - I was eating Dorito. (Connor, Joey and Garnt laughs) - But the saddest part is, the part that got me to laugh was just everyone in chat saying no. (Garnt, Connor and Joey laughs) - That is what got me, when that entered the chat. - Bruno's gonna add some epic music as you were reading that or something, man. (Mori laughs) - [Joey] Club Penguin Is Kil. - [Connor] Thank you so much for that. - Thank you very much for that. - Dramatic reading, wow. - [Mori] Absolutely. I'm go ahead and- - That's the first copypasta we've had on Trash Taste. - Hell yeah. - [Garnt] Hey. (Joey and Garnt applauds) - Hope you guys don't get in trouble for this content. - [Connor] No. - No. (Mori giggles) - Should I sneak back the phone through the void? - [Garnt] Cut, cut, cut. - [Mori] Through the void. Cut, cut, there we go. - So how do you think up of ideas for streams? Because one thing about stream is that. How often do you stream every week? - It depends. I really started to try and get more into five streams a week when I was focusing more on music. But October has been really busy because it's Halloween, it's my favorite month, I am the Grim Reaper. So I've been doing like seven to nine a week. - Jesus. - Wait, seven to nine? - Seven to nine streams a week? - Yes. - Is that a stream every day? - Yeah, sometimes two. - True. - You know there's seven days in a week, right? (Connor, Garnt and Joey laughs) - That's right. Well, sometimes I'll clump them together, because the way I see it, is if I can get one day off where I don't have to worry about anything, that's great. But if I can do two streams at once in a day, it's like I can get all of it done. - Wait, wait and you're doing music on top of this as well? - Yeah. - What the fuck, Calli? (Mori laughs) - Built different. - Yeah, it's fun. Well, I mean, I like streaming a lot, it's great. But my passion at the end of all of it, is music, and I can't resist doing that, working on music. - How'd you think up of nine different streams a week. Does it, do you, sometimes, is it easy? Do you have an idea that you fall back on, or does it get tiring having to think up of variety streams? Different things you can do. - 'Cause I think Garnt can only think of nine videos a year, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, yeah. - Garnt's like, "shit, fate, fate, fate." (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Fuck, how many Fate videos can I make? (Garnt, Joey and Mori laughs) - Interestingly enough, it's a situation where I keep thinking of things that I want to stream in that week, and then I ended up clogging up my schedule. So there are just a lot of games that I want to play. There was a situation where I ordered the WiiU four different times, finally got it. - Wait, what? - Yeah, so let me explain, let me explain how this went down. So I ordered a WiiU while I was in America, so that I could have it shipped, and then I could take it back with me to Japan so that I could play EarthBound because I've been really trying to do an EarthBound playthrough on stream. And so I got that but it arrived too late in America, I was already in Japan. So then I ordered one to come to Japan, a Japanese one. I thought you could change the language to English, you cannot. - No. - Nope. - So that didn't work out. Everything I read on the internet was a lie about that. So I gave it to a friend and then after that I ordered one on eBay from America. They tried to deliver it to my house, after one failed delivery attempt, sent it back to America. So finally, finally I got one off of Amazon that they were willing to ship to Japan, and it arrived. And finally I have a fucking WiiU. (Garnt laughs) So I can- - Four WiiUs later. - [Joey] Four WiiUs later. - Four WiiUs later, yeah, but that's the question. There are too many things that I want to do. - I feel you, I feel you. - I feel you. - For EarthBound on the stream, oh, but I got to finish playing Doom Eternal. Oh but there's this other game that I want to play, wait a minute, we just got permission for this, I want to stream this before anyone else, kind of thing. Two different people want to do a collaboration, well, I always love doing collabs with people that reach out to me, so let's do it. Everyone's been asking for a Minecraft stream, let's play Minecraft. I haven't done a chatting stream in a while, want to let everyone know what's going on. I want to talk about my new song that just came out. I mean, I haven't done an ASMR stream in a while, it's just all these ideas come to me and I'm like- - Man, I wish I could be this full of ideas, man. (Garnt laughs) - I mean, it's a bit of a stress and I really should learn to spread things out more often. I just get real excited about, I have an idea, let's do it now, yeah. - Well, it sounds like you've gone from three part-time jobs to working three part-time jobs in one job, so. (Garnt laughs) - Yeah, it does feel like that when you're on charge of your own schedule, it gets to be like that sometimes. - I saw that you were doing a convention appearance. - [Mori] Yeah. - Is it almost strange doing it virtually as opposed to IRL? - That's a good question. It does feel a little unreal sometimes, but then once I see like all the fans gathered together, it all starts to settle and I'm like, "Oh man, this is a real thing, wow, people really like us." And I think once we started, for example, doing the fan expo panels, that was when I kind of started to realize really, how many fans we have and it made it all super real for me, so that was cool. - Do you ever feel a bit sad that you can never interact with them directly? 'Cause to us that's like a big part of us going to conventions, right? Do you- - Yeah, I mean, I hope that there's a day where that kind of thing can happen. I mean, I have a friend I've talked about on the stream before, Milky Queen, she does things like that. Going to conventions and can actually meet full body in front of a green screen in front of the fans. - Oh nice. - And they can touch the screen and high five her, and stuff like that. And that's something I'd love to do. I don't really know if that's something that Holo can accomplish right now, but I think it would be amazing, personally. - Technology these days, man. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Everyone get in VR with the haptic suits. (Garnt laughs) - Yeah. - [Mori] Yeah, that's right. We're actually gonna- - What is it called now? The metaverse or whatever? Is that what Facebook are trying to develop or something? - Oh, they have a name for it. Oh geez. - Basically Facebook just make VTubers, 'cause that will make the interest just 10 times more. - Oh for sure. Yeah, well, interestingly enough, we did do a VR stream, myself and all of the Mythrils, we did a, for our anniversary, we all got into VR chat and we actually all bought the suits to track our movements and stuff like that. - Oh wow. - We went as small versions of ourselves. - I saw this, yeah, I did see it, yeah. - That was so fun and it just made me want to meet with the others even more, so that we can really, fully debut, someday in 3D. - Is it weird wearing a full tracking suit? - What is the full tracking suit? Is it the one like the mo-cap? Is it the actual mo-cap suits? Or is it the one where you, it's on the- - I think it's two on the hands, two on the feet, and then one on your waist. - Yeah, you track your waste movements. I had a little too much fun with that though with all the tracking. (Garnt and Joey laughing) I was moving around, maybe a little too much, probably could have dialed it back a bit, but I was so excited to be in a 3D space, able to move with my friends. - Yeah, VR is definitely like that the first time. You're like, "Holy shit." And then you've realized that you're sweating a lot and then you've burned 10,000 calories because you were having so much fun. (Garnt laughs) Have you played this game called Gorilla Tag? (Connor chuckles) - [Garnt] No. - [Mori] What? (Garnt chuckles) - On the topic of VR, so Connor had his house warming party the other day, and Chris was there and seeing Chris try VR for the first time was a fucking site to behold. - We gave Chris a few drinks. (Garnt laughs) And I was like- - A few. - I was like, Chris, you should try playing Superhot. (Joey laughs) - [Mori] Superhot, oh no. - And Chris was like- - I'm so upset I missed out on that. - Dude, he was rolling on the floor, doing jumps and shit, like James Bond in my bedroom. (Garnt laughs) Smacking the walls, nearly broke all my JoJo posters. - First thing I see, I walk in and Chris is fucking punching something. He punches a JoJo poster right there. - He nearly broke it. (Mori laughs) Just full on punching in VR. I'm like, Chris, it's okay, it's okay. (Joey and Garnt laughs) Guy nearly destroyed my apartment. He was like, what is this? It's shit, it's shit, he put it on, he loved it. (Garnt laughs) It's classic Chris. - Well, that's VR, right. I've tried to talk so many people into VR and they're just like, nah, I don't get it, it's probably not for me. It's definitely one of those things that you just have to try. And it's like, once you try it, then you fully understand. You could give a fucking dissertation on why VR is awesome, and you probably couldn't get- - I mean, the thing about VR is that I can only play VR for a certain amount of time before it just feels less casual. I don't know. I sweat a lot in VR. - You gotta play Gorilla Tag, that's where the real- - What's Gorilla Tag? - Yeah, how do you play it? - It's exactly what it sounds like. You're gorillas and you tag each other. (Joey laughs) - [Mori] Oh boy. - I did it on stream, right, I thought it would just be chasing people. It turns out it's just 10 year olds, just playing as gorillas. - [Garnt] What do you mean? - It's all 10 year olds. I joined a lobby and 10 year olds were swearing and saying horrible things. - [Mori] Ah, that sounds about right. - And I was like- - So it's just XBox live all over again. (Mori laughs) - If you want Xbox, go and play Gorilla Tag, right. Because what happens is, the way you- - Connor gets to relive his childhood, that's why he loved it so much. (all laughing) - No, no. I did not like this. I realized the power you have as a kid is unobtainable as an adult. Those kids could say and do anything. I can't say that shit back to them, it's so unfair. The kids can say whatever they want and it's like- - What do you mean it's unfair? - I want to be able to call that kid a little shit. - Well, why can't you call that kid a little shit? - I'm on stream, I can't say it, off stream I'll say it. (Connor and Joey laughs) Come here, you little shit. - [Mori] Chat will do it for you, chat will do it for you. - Get over here. - [Mori] On your behalf. - Yeah, yeah, please come in and just- - What were they saying to you? - They were saying words that you cannot say on stream. Some- - Were you streaming? - And I was streaming. There's a clip of me, I go in a world, I joined it, and one of the kids was saying the word that you cannot say. - Yeah. - And I was like, all right then, can I go away? And then just left the world 'cause he was, this 10 year old kid was screaming it, but it's really fun, right? So you do this, you have the controllers, and they act as your- - It sounds like a bunch of apes in there. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - So you have two of the VR controllers, right? - Yeah. - And those are your legs and your arms, so when you want to move you to have jump with the legs. - Oh okay, yeah. - To push off them. And people are insane, these kids are insane. They're like flying across the map and I can barely move. I really felt like a boomer. (Garnt, Mori and Joey laughs) You should play Gorilla Tag. - Oh, sure. - How long do you play VR for though? How long did you stream for? Three hours, four hours, maybe. - Three hours? Did you not get sweaty? - Extremely so. - Okay, that's what puts me off VR. It's like I stream, I play for now, I get really sweaty, and then you don't take the VR set off, you fucking peel it off at that point, right? It just doesn't feel good. - At least the Index has the removable face thing. - [Garnt] Yeah. - So you can clean it, so I didn't feel too disgusted by it. - So you're just cycling through the foam parts. - I'm cleaning it a lot. - [Garnt] Okay. - Wait, which headset are you using? - I'm using the Valve Index, yeah, it's super good. - I hate wires though. - [Garnt] I hate that as well. - The wires are the only thing that take you out of it, I feel like. - Yeah, I feel like, once it gets to wireless headsets that are high quality, then I would get more invested into VR. - Oh, Oculus 2, right? It's the wireless one, right? - Yeah, I think the specs aren't as good as the Index though, but I mean, it's pretty good from what I've heard though. - I haven't streamed on my Oculus 2 yet, but I bought it just because I heard that there's no wires. I'm like, good, that's great. - The Index is super easy to use. - Was that the first time you had tried VR, or had you tried VR before your stream? - Actually, to be honest, I kind of wasn't interested at all in it, but Amelia's like the tech wizard in Myth and she was just kinda like, "Hey, what if we did a big VR collab for our anniversary?" And all of us were like, okay, but how? And she's like, no, it's super easy. And she told us everything we needed to buy. - That sounds like a technical nightmare. - [Connor] Gamer god. - My God. Oh my God. Imagine trying to schedule that and sort that shit out. I go through enough technical issues, just streaming on my PC. - [Joey] On my own. - On my own. Let alone doing a cross continental VR stream. - [Joey] Oh my God. - With motion capture. - She worked really hard. - I'm curious, is there anything with being a VTuber over the past year that you've learned is annoyingly difficult that other people would just never consider? - Oh, let me think, this is a tough one. One sec. - [Connor] No worries, no worries. - You gotta think 'cause there are a lot of things that looks fun. - 'Cause I feel like I don't appreciate how difficult it can be sometimes. - [Garnt] Yeah. - I just look at them and I just think, "Oh wow, you guys don't have to worry about how you look, you can just change the model, it's great, I'm so jealous." - I mean, there's a lot of stuff, behind the scenes that we have to do, is the thing. A lot of people, they see us for maybe two, three hours, if you stream for a short amount of time, if you do like an endurance stream, eight hours, sure. But here's the thing though, when we press go live, and after we're done, stop the stream, immediately what I do is I go sit on the couch, and I start making thumbnails. - [Connor] God. - I make a bunch of thumbnails for the week, then I have to make the schedule, which last time, took me about an hour and a half. - So do you make the thumbnails yourself? - [Mori] Yes. - Oh my God. - I think most VTubers do, right? - What? - [Garnt] Why? (Garnt laughs) - That's the one thing I'm so impressed with VTubers is that they always have unique thumbnails for everything. And I'm like, I didn't realize how grateful I am that Twitch, you don't have to do that. - Yeah, how did you learn how to do that? Because like not to be like a dumb question, but thumbnails are like a very fine art that a lot of YouTubers learn as they go along. I mean, I didn't know how to make good thumbnails until a year or two after I started doing it properly. - Well, there's people on the platform that have been on for like 10 years that still don't know how to make those well. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - I mean, it's something that you just kind of learn along the way, because for me, I had no idea. My thumbnail game was real weak before, but I had to get good at it. And I started kind of seeing what others did as well, and not completely taking everything that everyone did, but little things here and there that I had, I noticed and be like, ah, I should do a stroke layer on this text like this, and it'll look a lot better and a drop shadow here, and that kind of stuff. And it's all just fine little things, you'd never really think super hard about, but they do make a difference. - Yeah, exactly. How long do you guys spend on your thumbnails? - I try to do it as little as possible. I try and outsource it as much as I can. (Joey laughs) - See this guy's working smart. I think I spend maybe like, max, 30 minutes. I'm quite short when it comes to thumbnails, yeah. - I feel like if you have the capacity to pay someone else to do something, you should pay someone else to do something. (Joey snickers) (Mori laughs) - [Garnt] No but like- - It's work it's business, I want more time to do my stuff. - Not exactly but- - For some people they value the creative aspect. - Some privilege, I know. Shut up, shut up. (Chad laughs) See Chad laughing at me. (Mori and Garnt laughs) - Yeah, I mean, the thing is, for example, for VTubers, there are so many of them that want to be in control of their own thumbnails, that it becomes a creativity thing. - I feel like thumbnails are important because with you, you've got an artist doing a lot of your thumbnails. And aside from that, it's like taking the perfect shot on scene or something. Whereas my thumbnails can take up to like, some thumbnails, I can outsource, some I can't because even I don't know how to market some of my videos, right? I don't know, for me, when you upload twice a week, or recently once a month, you need to make that fucking thumbnail count, man. - That's why twice a week can double my views. - No, sorry, twice a month, twice a month. Once every two weeks. You need to make those thumbnails count, with Trash Taste it's just easy. If one thumbnail doesn't hit, you got next week. With me, I'm just like, "If this thumbnail doesn't hit, I gotta wait a fucking month, man." (Mori laughs) That shit hurts. - Have you thought about, perhaps, uploading more often. (Mori and Garnt laughs) - Well, that means making content that's faster to make. - The pressure. - Yeah, yeah. - There's less pressure on making that perfect thumbnail, all right. - Joey, I am making as much content as I possibly can, Joey, please, okay. - I mean, I think another thing that people also don't realize is, one big factor, is just simply the energy it takes to be you all the time. When I'm putting up a schedule for a new stream, I've got to put in a description that I think, kind of, either matches or is this too much? Am I saying too many things in the description? You overthink a lot in this job. Am I going to put out a tweet that says a lot of things? Or one sentence, a couple words? You have to always think about this kind of stuff. And scheduling meetings as well, that's another big thing. - It's interesting that you mentioned about description and tags, I guess and the tweet and everything, 'cause I think over the six years, what I've learned is that I just don't care about any of that now. (Mori and Joey chuckles) Calli, do you care about your description anymore? - No. - I used to care, right. And then I found out that all the big channels just don't do any of that. They don't put anything in the tags. - I think my experience, there's two things that matters, title, thumbnail. - [Connor] It's literally that. - That's literally the only real thing you need to worry about, tags and stuff and descriptions and stuff, it doesn't help as much anymore. And I know this now because, have you guys gone through this issue recently with YouTube, right? Where you search for a for a certain video, right? And then the first three searches are pertaining to that search. And then for some reason after about five searches, it just goes back to your recommendations just nowadays. I'm just like, what is the point of the search function anymore? If the first five videos, aren't what I'm searching for, then I'm just fucked. - Or it's like, "The viewers of your channel also viewed this." It's like, I don't care. (Mori laughs) That's not what I searched for. - That's literally not what I searched for. It's gone to the point where, back when YouTube started, it's just like, okay, I subscribe to the channels I want to watch, YouTube's like, "No, no, no, no, you don't want to watch these channels." "You want to watch these channels." And I'm like, okay, maybe I won't get recommendations. Now, it's just like, I want to search for a specific video, and YouTube is like, "No, no, no, no, no." - [Joey] "No, you don't." - "You don't want to search for that." - Yes, because of the algorithm. - "You want to watch these videos." - The ones that annoy me the most is after the fifth search. It's like, "Here's a new video from someone you're subscribed to." I'm like, "What is the point of the subscriptions?" (Garnt and Mori laughs) I can check that, there was an entire page for that. - What is the point of pages now? 'Cause all pages are just gonna become the same page eventually, right. - Exactly, so annoying. - What is the point of the search bar? So yeah, to me descriptions and tags don't mean as much anymore. It's all about title, thumbnail, viewer retention, because it's all recommendations, we all bow down to the almighty algorithm. And that's unfortunately what you gotta do to be a YouTuber nowadays. - [Joey] Yeah, pretty much. - And I mean, I guess it does make sense that it should be, what you say and what you create, and not necessarily what you're typing into the description, right? I mean, every time that I see, for example, some of my gem mates, they just throw up a schedule, nothing in the descriptions and I'm like, "Wow, what a bunch of Chads." (Garnt laughs) It doesn't matter but I mean, I don't know. I guess I'm still, there's still some things I'm figuring out, day by day. I've gotten a lot better than I was in the past. And I feel good about that, so day by day though, you can always learn new stuff, especially in this job. - I feel you've done a shit load in just a year. (Mori laughs) - Considering what you've learnt in this year and what you've done in this year, it's actually insane, compared to, I look back on some of the years I've had on YouTube and I'm just like, "I'm doing fucking nothing." - How do you mainly, would you say, you learn things on streaming and YouTube? Do you do learn from other gem mates, or do you learn from outside of hololive, or do you learn all on yourself? I'm curious where you kind of pick up this stuff. - A lot of times it's like a feeling that I get, like after I'm done with a stream, I can feel whether it was bad or good. - [Connor] Oh no, I agree, I agree. - I can feel what I did wrong. This technically wasn't good, these people were angry about this, et cetera. And it's all in my mind. And I'm very receptive to criticism, but something that I also learned is that not every criticism that you get that is framed politely is necessarily correct. - [Connor] True. - That's a lie that we tell ourselves, so that we don't come off as butthurt babies. But the truth of the matter is, you don't need to 100% take every single critique that you get from every anonymous person on the internet even if it's framed nicely, you need to be able to discern what is actually going to help you and what isn't. But one thing that you shouldn't do is lash out. I would say that's a given. - Never feed the trolls 'cause it never ends up well. - There are people that get excited when I talk about them and the bad things they say. And the thing that you do is you don't give it to them and you just ignore. - I mean, yeah, it's rule number one, don't feed the trolls. - That was another thing I had to learn as well along the way. - When you started off, did you get a lot of advice from, maybe, your fellow gem mates? Or over itself, about what to do in terms of how to handle your content and just general advice to be a content creator in general was it all just trial by fire? - I'm going to be honest with you. We really were just kinda, they just said go. And I think that part of that is, because in the process of selecting us, they've made sure that we would be okay with that because all of us that have gone through it, have not, there hasn't been like a huge disaster or anything like that with us in terms of streaming. Everyone has a good handle on themselves. And I think you got to give it to, I guess, who chose us for that, specifically. They did choose people that have a handle on how to do things. However, that isn't to say that we were all experienced streamers in the beginning. 'Cause that's definitely not the case, I had barely streamed in my entire life, I was mostly making music in the shadows. - [Connor] Quite different. - Extremely different. But somehow they knew that I'd be able to handle it, somehow. And you learn a lot of things along the way, but in the beginning we all did have the ability to get through that starting line, but we didn't get a lot of advice, I will be honest about that. - I think one of the biggest things you have to learn, which a lot of people, maybe, might not consider, is the technical side of things because with a YouTube video, if something technical happens on set or something, some things you could kind of save and post there is no getting around technical issues on stream. - Exactly. - And I feel like the only way you've really learned is when it happens on stream and you're just like, "well, I guess I just have to learn not to do that again, right?" - Stuff breaks a lot as well, it's normal, right? Yeah, damn, so you mainly did a lot of it on your own, you learned everything, wow. So when you started off, there was nobody who was like, "Hey, by the way, people might just say bad things about you for no reason, that might just happen, just like, it's gonna happen." No one told you? - There was a question that I will say, because it's kind of obvious that they would ask us this. People are going to say mean things about you and hate you, are you okay with that? And obviously all of us got in. (Garnt laughs) We all said yes, but I recall that my answer, specifically, was, well, I've dealt with that, with my music before all of this. I did indeed have people that would come around and do a little bit of trolling, so to speak. And I felt like I had dealt with them pretty well by just not saying anything. - [Connor] 100%. - And I feel like, I thought to myself, that I should be fine when I enter holo and it's been fine. So that's okay for me. Everyone's experience though is different, I would say, so. - Yeah, I think as well, there is the added, very scary aspect of it being, again, this is just my perception of being a VTuber, everyone is just trying to find out as much personal information about you as possible. Whereas everyone can just see that I'm a teenager now and I'm- (Garnt and Mori laughs) I feel like older people are definitely, big people, trying to get our personal information, but I don't feel like it's intense. At least I don't see it, maybe, I'm just too lazy, I'm not looking, but- - Or you've already shown everything there is too offer. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. (Connor chuckles) - 'Cause one thing I've always been curious about is, do you feel pressure to have to keep, say a certain image of yourself for your audience or just the general perception of VTubers? Because we obviously keep a certain image, but I feel like it's nothing on the same level as what VTubers have to go through. - [Connor] Right. - It's rough because I feel one thing that I learned is, at the end of the day, I've got maybe about 80% of a fanbase that really, really want me to be 100% just myself. I see them in the comments all the time saying, you're doing great Calli, just, loosen up a little bit. In the beginning, right, for example, you guys saw when I first came here, I was trying to be something that I wasn't, for real. (Garnt laughs) - I remember it was quite strange but, I mean, it turned out good. - No, it was a good episode, yeah. - All a part of my development, you know and that- - We literally saw the development on the two hour podcast. - Exactly, exactly. And so, for those people saying, just be yourself, Calli, I gotta say thank you, because it was because of comments like that, that I realized, "Hey, maybe it's okay for me to loosen up a little bit, relax." People want to see who I am for who I am and that's great. But of course you're gonna get a small but loud minority of people that wants you to be a certain way and you just gotta deal with it. I personally have found, I think, a happy medium where I'm still being myself, but I'm not, going into territory that would make others angry, like viciously angry. - [Connor] Yeah, of course, of course. - 'Cause I feel when comments tell you to be yourself, it's kind of like a trap. (Connor laughs) Because they want you to be yourself but not yourself that they don't like. - What is myself to you? Exactly. - Just like the worst person. (Garnt laughs) - Yeah, you want me to be myself but I'm trash. - Oh fuck, go back. - Go back, go back. - Wait a minute, not like that. - I think when they say you should just be yourself, what they actually mean is be yourself, but the version that I like. - Yeah, exactly, right? (Garnt chuckles) - Yeah, that's exactly it, yeah. But I try to look at it in a positive light, and just do the best that I can to be the best me, and just stay positive. I've found that negativity tripped me up a lot in the beginning. And I've been trying to smile through even the difficult times. And it sounds cheesy, it's anime as hell, I get it. (Garnt chuckles) But it's the truth. - Smile through the tears, just smile through the tears. - Smile through the tears. - Smile through the ending song, it's all right. (Garnt and Mori laughs) I like it. - Yeah, yeah, definitely. But I feel a positive outlook is good and necessary if you want to keep doing this for a long time. And so I feel like things have gone pretty well, and all I can keep doing is being the best me, because at the end of the day, no matter what, someone's going to be angry at you for something. And if people are constantly going to be like, "Be this way, be this way." And constantly upset at the choices that you make, why not make the choice that you want to make and just deal with it from there? - Yeah, it's nice 'cause when we met you on the podcast, I didn't really know of your streams at all. I'd seen it a little bit and definitely now, even throughout the year, when I check in, it seems like every single time I've watched your streams, you just seem more comfortable and more chill. And it's really cool to see. - I'm better at Doom, I'm better at Doom Eternal. (Garnt laughs) - And you're better at Doom, let's go. - I'm better at Doom. (Mori, Garnt and Connor laughs) I think you got further than me in Jump King as well. - I've been grinding on that Jump King struggle. - That is painful absolutely painful. Have you played Jump King? - No, I've been trying to get a bunch of people to race it with me though. 'Cause I really want to play. - [Mori] Oh it's hard. - [Garnt] What's Jump King? - [Mori] I recommend it. - You don't want to know Jump King is. - Yes, you do. - Oh we should race it together on stream. - I've only played like two hours of it, so I'm down to play. - It's an endurance game. - Yeah, yeah, we can- - No, one's answered my question yet. - [Connor] You don't deserve to know. - You can't handle the truth. - You wouldn't know how to handle it. - I'm like, "What is Jump King? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we should do it together. Oh, you've done it, oh, you've done it, yeah I've got to as well." - Garnt take a wild guess what you do in Jump King. - You're a king and you jump. - You jump. (Mori and Garnt laughs) You jump up Garnt. - Before I agreed to this, I could be agreeing to a fucking suicide pact for all I know. Are we jumping off a cliff? - [Connor] Basically. - Is that what Jump King is? - It's just code. (Joey and Garnt laughs) - [Mori] Oh, you wish. - We're doing the Jump King. - Let's not explain what Jump King is to Garnt. - [Mori] All right, next time. - Honestly, best way to experience it, in my opinion, just go in blind 'cause that's what happened to me. - What's the game with the pickax and the- - [Garnt] No, no, no. - Getting Over It. - [Mori] Getting Over It, Getting Over It. - Yeah, imagine Getting Over It with jumping. (Mori and Cameraman laughs) That's literally it. - [Joey] Yeah, have you played Getting Over It? - No. - Bennett Foddy's Getting Over It. - You know what Getting Over It is. - It's the naked guy in the pod. - He's in a pod. - You have to use the pickax to get to the top of the mountain. - Oh yeah I know that one. - Imagine but jumping. - Imagine that but jumping, yeah. - Okay. - And you're a king. - And I like the art more. (Garnt and Joey laughs) - And you can just fall to the bottom. - And it's got really good pixel art as well. - Okay, the art is amazing. - [Mori] Yeah, I love it. - But it is rage inducing. - It's doodle jump, it's basically doodle jump. - It's doodle jump. - But with a king. - With Getting over it. - Exactly. - Okay, okay. - It is rough, it is very difficult, but the way that I've gotten around it, is I've started jumping into voice chat with the hololive English. - Is that a pun? (Mori, Garnt and Chad laughs) - I just got that. - [Connor] That wasn't a pun, my God. - Okay, I was just- (Ganrt and Mori laughs) - I just want to know if you did that on purpose. - Jumping, wink, wink. - We're accepting new applicants for Trash Taste. (Joey applauds) - But I've been sitting in voice chat, just waiting, I've just been waiting for other members to jump in, and have a little chat with me. And the time flew by, I got into chat and two of the other members, IRyS and Bae just jumped into voice chat. And we just talked about anime the whole time that I was suffering, trying to climb this building, and eight hours just flew by, it was amazing. - [Connor] Wow. - Hell yeah. - Oh yeah, I mean, I guess without it, it's like you're basically in solitary confinement, right? - [Mori] Yeah, exactly. (Joey chuckles) - Sounds horrible. - It's a horrible race. - That's why I want to race it, right. So I can distract myself by talking shit to other people. - So what is the point of Jump King? Is there an ending? - Jump to the top. - There's a super hot babe at the top. - Jump to the top. - Save the princess. - There's a cute lady. - [Garnt] Okay, okay. - A hot lady. - Yeah, a smoking hot babe. - Smoking hot babe. - Smoking hot babe. - That's it. - Thank you for explaining to me what Jump King is, I have a general idea now. (Mori laughs) I would like to try streaming that. - Give it a shot. (Garnt laughs) See how far you get. - That's a lie, don't get my hopes up like that, Garnt. (Joey and Garnt laughs) - I want to see all of you race in Jump King. - Yeah we should. - You could be the MC. - All right, gotcha, I'll narrate the whole thing. - So is it like Get Over It? Where it's easy to reach or where it's really hard to reach the end in one playthrough or- - Yeah and it's really easy to just drop down. - Fall to the bottom. - And fall to the bottom. - Yeah, you could have been playing for five hours, and you've made it so many levels up, and then just one wrong fall leads to a chain of more wrong falls that put you down at the very first stage. - And then you get tilted and then you start just throwing. - You can't remember how to jump into certain places that you were jumping before, yeah. - You just run into a blind rage after a while. - Cool, love it, can't wait. - Yeah, it's great fun. (Garnt laughs) - It's so fun. - It's really going to test your monk mode skills, for sure. (Garnt laughs) - Oh my God. - So what's your favorite type of content to make then? Is it playing games or is it interacting with the chat? - Ah, let's see, interestingly enough, I felt like my interaction skills with chat were kind of non-existent in the beginning. To be completely honest it's 'cause I was a big Ol' baby. Especially towards the beginning. - Big Ol' baby. - Big Ol' baby. - Especially playing games. - That must be terrifying, right? - Knowing that I'm bad at video games, I was really kind of scared to check the chat, because I didn't want to lose, energy and momentum by seeing someone say, "Hey, you suck." Because while I'm aware I'm not very good at video games, it's like seeing everyone telling you how to do a certain thing. Even if I can hold back a reaction or a snarky remark, it does bring down the energy a bit, and I want to stay high energy. so it's something I had to learn to do to really kind of put up a wall between people leaving funny comments, or just general feedback, and people screaming at you in all caps, that you should be using a pickax to break stones instead of a shovel, which is- - [Connor] That's true, that is true. - I will say that is a good piece of advice, and I appreciate it as advice and I appreciate it as advice. - That's a good piece of life advice. (Joey and Garnt giggle) - [Mori] When it's not in all caps. - The same thing applies in real life. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - That is true. I'm more likely to listen to it if it's phrased, not in all caps though. That's a general, just a good idea for chat, I would say. In general, I don't really actually care too much about back seating. It's when it gets to be everyone and super aggressive that my energy begins to fall. So I had to kind of learn to like, "Hey Calli, get over it." Just try and turn your vision into a way that it can just pick out comments, and chat that aren't entirely aggressive, and you keep the stream going. And so I do like interacting with chat these days. Chat can be funny, they have some jokes, you guys have jokes out there, I will say. And they really do kind of brighten up my day, so it's been worth it in the end, but I'd say that my favorite kinds of streams to do, probably variety streams. Though they do take the most preparation. Recently, I've been trying to do a Kiowa stream. So English learning by speaking simple and slow English for anyone really not only Japanese viewers, but people around the world who maybe have English as a second language. That takes a lot of preparation. - Oh, when you said English learning, I was like you learning English? (Mori and Garnt laughs) I think you've already got that down. (Garnt laughs) Guys, I'm going to do an English learning stream today. - Yeah, gonna do my best. - English learning stream, next week we're gonna perform the PokeRap. - To be fair, you should do a Duolingo English speed run. See how good you are at English, see if you could do it. - [Mori] That's a good idea. - I feel like I would be way worse than I think I have any right to be at English in Duolingo. - I feel like, I don't know, that's an interesting stream actually. Seeing if you are as fluent in English, as something like Duolingo thinks you are. - What's the main language then? That you have the application set on if you're learning English? Can it be English again? (Garnt chuckles) - [Connor] I guess so. - That's a good question. (Garnt, Mori and Joey laughs) - [Joey] I can't it explain it too then. - I don't think Duolingo has ever thought about that before. - Yeah, I guess so. - This is gonna so bad. So what do I'm learning Japanese, right? And they're like, oh yeah, it's like a pronoun, and I was like, yeah, for the first time I hear it. I was like, what is that again? (Joey laughs) I was like- - What's a pronoun? - No, I know but you know when you hear it, you're like, I haven't heard that in, when you got the different types of verbs and nouns, you're like, wait, hold on, let me refresh my memory of what that is again, hold up. It's been like five years, you know. - I'm trying to remember what a pronoun is. (Joey laughs) - 'Cause they obviously think when the Japanese teacher is teaching me Japanese, they're like, oh, you know this stuff, it's English. It's fluent, you speak it, right? And it's like, yeah, yeah, I remember that stuff, I remember fluently. - I don't think that works when it comes to learning languages though, to me at least. When I hear something is a pronoun, I don't think I remember what, well, as we've just established, we don't know what a fucking pronoun is in our own language. (Mori chuckles) How the fuck are we going to learn that in another language? - That's why it's so embarrassing when I'm there in front of the teacher who is Japanese, and she's like, oh, it's just like this thing, and I'm like, yeah. (Garnt laughs) Yeah. - [Mori] I know what that is. - Yeah, exactly, right? I'm like, totally, I know what that is. (Joey laughs) Yeah, okay. - I know what an adjective is. (Joey and Connor laughs) - Adjective and noun and verbs are the ones that you should know and then anything else, I'm like, yeah. - A pronoun. - I know pronouns, yeah. - Proverbs. - Fuck but I don't know what that is. I mean, I know that it exists but if you asked me right now. - I know it exists but I don't know what it is. - This is bad, right? I should know this, this is my language. - Tell me how to use a semi-colon. (Garnt laughs) (Mori laughs) I don't know if you just heard the groan across this office that we just had. - I will use a semi-colon, I don't think I'm remotely correct. But I will throw one in there just for good measure. - I kind of use it like using a comma and a full stop at the same time, kind of sentence. - You actually know the way that I think I learned how to use a semi-colon? It's the Lonely Island song, Semi Colon. (Joey laughs) It's a great example. - Oh that's right, I remember that. - I was like, oh, that's the first time I've seen the explanation of semi-colon where I'm like, that makes sense now, that makes sense. - I dunno, I just feel like we're the era of auto-corrects, and shit like that. We just pay way less attention to it. I've just started using apostrophes in places where apostrophes don't need to be used, but it just looks right. And I know it's wrong sometimes. - Well, it's like with languages like Japanese, sometimes, some people, some of the younger generation don't know how to write the Kanji, 'cause they're typing it all the time. And that's a thing. - Yeah. - Is that true, Joey? - Yes. (Garnt laughs) Absolutely, I mean- - Especially in other countries with characters as well, that's a big problem. - Yeah, yeah 'cause when I was in school, I took the Kanji proficiency test, so obviously I was just used to writing it all. But once I got that degree, I was like, "All right, cool, I never have to write this shit ever again." And now when I look at it, or now when someone's like, "How do you write this?" when someone's like, "How do you write this?" I just kind of stop and I'm like, "I should know this." - Well you can read it, right? So it doesn't matter. - I can read it, but I can't write it and there's so many symbols like that. - Yeah, you've done language learning streams as well. Japanese as well, isn't it? How's that been going? - I can't really do them as much anymore because of certain permissions issues. But I'm thinking of getting back into it with just, making a list of vocabulary beforehand, and running through flashcards with chat. Because I feel like that can be entertaining in its own way, I think. Somehow it always becomes a fun time, even ideas that I think are going to be kind of boring, it ends up being fun. - You know what's amazed me about streaming? No matter what obscure thing I do, just one God damn expert appears out of nowhere in the chat. (Joey laughs) I'll be doing Sudoku and the 2017 world Sudoku champion will come on my chat and be like, "Hey, what are you doing? This technique's cringe." (Joey laughs) You know what I mean? No matter what I do, somehow, an expert comes out of nowhere. - What is this, fucking Reddit? (Garnt and Mori laughs) - It's insane, I'd be doing a water grading stream, and the guy who designed water will appear in my chat. (Garnt chuckles) - "Hi, I discovered water." - [Garnt] "I discovered water." (Garnt laughs) - It's insane, I don't know how this happens, no matter what I do. - Connor, when he sees a Badei stream. (Mori and Garnt laughs) - A Toto CEO comes into my chat, you're using it wrong. - Kind of in the same vein, sometimes there'll be a movie or a song that I know for a fact only 10,000 people have heard or listened to and someone in chat knows about it. Oh, I remember that. Wait, do you? And they do. - Yeah, I'm the producer. (everyone laughs) - I made that. - Of course. - Or like that very obscure childhood memory that you have of a game or a show and then you describe it, and then chat is like, oh yeah, I know what that is, of course, I know what that is. (Joey snickering) I'm like, what? - [Mori] Wild. - How do you know that? - Always be wild to me. - What's wrong with you guys? - They just know it, man. - Chat is a curse, but also like an almighty being that just knows everything. It's pretty impressive. - It is. - Or it's like a conglomerate, right? It's weird, seeing people refer to chat, it's like, yes, it's, I don't know, such a weird concept to me. 'Cause everyone in chat is a individual person, but then chat just melds into this one entity. - An entity, yeah. - One all-knowing entity that is a equally- - All single brain cell that's joined together. (Mori and Garnt laughs) - Omnipotent, omnipresent being. - [Mori] To make one brain. - You get a 300 IQ. Oh my God. - [Mori] Yeah, that's right, that's true. - It's like being part of hololive, of course you stream on YouTube, but what do you think about the whole Twitch streaming as well? Have you ever been interested in streaming on Twitch, and what kind of differences do you think that would make if you ever did? - It's pretty unexplored territory to be honest, so I haven't really thought too much about it. I feel like, I have watched a couple streamers on Twitch, but for whatever reason, I just feel like I gravitate more towards YouTube. I know that they both have their pros and cons, for sure. I've gotten so comfortable on YouTube. And one thing that I really love about it, on YouTube especially, is that archives are kept forever. So my streams become videos that people can just watch whenever they want and check out the whole backlog. I really love that, but I do think that, for example, Twitch's sub feature is superior. That is for certain. But I think they both have their pros and cons, I just feel at this point it's like a comfort thing. I'm just so used to YouTube now and the way that people, interact with each other in chat there. There's so many layers to it that I just kind of prefer. - Yeah, I find it really curious or really weird to see both these platforms, just having different cultures around them. And it's almost like a different etiquette. Like, when you're on a Twitch stream, it feels completely different to watching a YouTube stream. And I'm not sure if it's just the community or if it's just emotes or what it is. But yeah, both platforms to me feel oddly different whenever I'm watching a different, greater stream on that platform. - There's a culture to it, for sure, I have noticed 'cause I watched streamers who stream on both, and it is quite different, I got to say. (Mori chuckles) (Garnt laughs) That's not me being, I'm not throwing any shade at Twitch, I'm just saying that- - Throw shade at them. (Garnt laughs) Do it. - [Mori] I mean, it's not for me. - They're not paying you. - [Mori] It's not for me, but I mean, at the same time, it's just what you prefer. At the end of the day, everyone's got their preference, and just choose what you like and that's how it goes. - Like yeah, I don't think I'd have a difficult time streaming on YouTube now that I'm just so used to it. - You're used to it, yeah. You get used to it. - Yeah and vice versa. - The vibes different as well, I think. - [Mori] Yeah, exactly. - The vibe definitely is totally different. People are way more joking on Twitch, I think. People are used to- - People are monkeys on Twitch. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - [Joey] Yeah, they are. - We got a couple monkeys on YouTube as well though. - Oh that's true. - But it is a, kind of different feeling for sure. At the end of the day though, I will go to where the creator I like is, that is the truth for me personally, but that's not always the case for everyone everyone's kind of different. - Some people are lazy to open another tab, I don't get it. - I get it, I mean- (Chad, Mori, Joey and Connor laughs) - Garnt is that guy. - Clicking a link to go on another platform, get outta here. (Mori and Joey laughs) No, I mean- - Too much time. - My poor fingy, can't handle it. - No because, I mean, there's just so many platforms nowadays, and so many different apps and stuff that sometimes you just- - sounds like my mum. "There's too many apps these days." - I can't handle all the tabs. - Sometimes you just build up a, is schedule the right word? No, it's a pattern, you build up a pattern about what time you spend on each app, right. So I've been watching a lot of YouTube shorts nowadays, even though I could go, and even though they're just recycled TikToks, right. But it's just because I'm, as a YouTuber, I'm just on YouTube more. That is just more convenient for me. And so I don't like, if you watch a lot of Twitch streamers, then sure, it's easy to watch more Twitch streamers. But if you're not like integrated into that kind of ecosystem, it's weird. 'Cause it feels like you're going more out of your way just to view this one creator as opposed to just being on the platform naturally. So I do think it is a factor that matters, which is why you see a lot of people who are just famous on one platform nowadays. You can have people who are famous on YouTube and just not have a presence anywhere else. - Right. - You know and I feel like the super, super successful content creators are people who can break out of that, just one platform and be able to have a presence on multiple platforms. - I mean, I am a person who kind of feels like consistencies is a big key, but some people are so big that it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter where you go, people will follow kind of thing. But I do kind of see the merit in having all your stuff in one place. It's also just personally what I prefer because of how my brain works. I like to have everything in one place, 'cause I'm already a really big scatterbrain in the first place. If I had stuff all over the place, I'd lose my mind. So I kind of have to- - You're juggling enough things as it is, honestly. (Garnt chuckles) - Yeah, there's a lot going on, so. - I'm just scared to have everything on one platform. I'm that mentality of, don't put all your eggs in one basket, kind of thing. - [Mori] Oh I see. - Yeah, I do think that, however music is the one thing that is easily able to hold its own. I mean, that's why every YouTuber on earth tries to become a popstar or rapper. - To varying levels of success. - 'Cause that's where, money is good, longevity is good, you can have time to work on it. Music is definitely- - Also, it doesn't matter how old you get, right. You can still keep making music. - Yeah, as long as it sounds good. (Garnt laughs) On YouTube, you turn 30, bye-bye. Sorry Garnt, you're out. (all laughing) God, why was his reaction so. See, I mean 30 years old, man, it's what happens. - I'm having trouble hearing already, man. (Connor and Garnt laughs) - It's me, really just trying to age gate Garnt. (Connor and Joey laughs) - [Mori] You should become a VTuber. - Go to, where do old people stream Garnt? (Connor and Joey chuckles) - I tried to say a platform, I was like, I probably shouldn't. - Justin.tv, that's where I did my first stream. - I'm sorry, we are joking, we are friends, we're allowed to make these jokes, all right. (Garnt laughs) - It's like, you have to clarify that you're bantering these days. - [Connor] Yeah, I know, right? - Let's calm down a little bit, you know. - Oh God. - Is it the same on a hololive with the friends? Do those people get upset when you mock each other? - I will say we like to banter quite a bit, but we got to remind y'all again and we really don't have to, but I'm going to anyway, we are all really good friends. - Yeah, exactly, yeah. - And so at the same time, a lot of us have kind of, I mean, I know I certainly came up in friend groups where we would, throw shit at each other and it was all in good fun. We never really kind of step over the line, it's all stuff that we're comfortable with. And it's just good fun. No one hates anyone. Just, sometimes you gotta calm down, take a step back. We know each other pretty well, and it's just like that, sometimes, we're having fun. - There's really just some people though that just don't get that whole bantering or, when is it over the line? There are people who are overanalyze conversations on streams, and YouTube videos where it's like, this is the frame, this is the very frame where their friendship started to crumble. Have you seen them streaming since then? (Mori laughs) - So dramatic. - Don't think so, not friends anymore. It's like, no, dude, it's fine. - Yeah, I feel even more so with the VTubing community. Do you ever feel like a lot of people really, really analyze what your behaviors are? - Yeah. - And maybe a bit too much sometimes? - Yeah I'd say so, I've seen several paragraphs analyzing my personality. From my deepest insecurities to things that everyone already knows, etcetera. I've seen plenty of things like that. And it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. When so much of yourself is put out there, that's just how it's gonna be. But I will say it is the truth, we really do only give a percentage of ourselves when we stream, even though it may be so many hours in a day, there's still a whole side where we go off and live lives. I'm still, occasionally reaping the occasional soul, don't tell Death Sensei about that. But I'm doing other stuff as well. And it's important to remember that, it's important to take a deep breath and realize that we've all got lives. - So where does music fit into your career? How do you find time for that? Where do you find time for that? - I think that the only only thing I can say is, it's the one thing that I love doing so completely and utterly, that time, just isn't a factor to me, energy isn't a factor to me. All of that just disappears in me wanting to create music and I don't compromise anything for it. - I believe that's called a passion. (Joey snickers) (Garnt laughs) - That sounds like a passion to me. - Yeah, I think that is the word. - Yeah, sounds like passion to me. - So no matter what, I will find a way to fit it in. Even if other things have to kind of, take a back seat. Even things like streaming, etcetera, which will not make everyone happy but you get over it, you get over it. At the end of the day it's what I love. - Yeah prioritise what you want to do, right? - Exactly. - [Joey] Yeah, exactly. - Why else am I here, you know? - Just to suffer. - [Mori] Just to suffer. - I wanted to say it. - [Mori] There's no other reason. - That's what I thought of. - We all thought it, we all thought it. - You can't not say that line and not make me think that. - Exactly, I mean, if that was the case, then I'd quit. And I mean, if you want me to stay here, I'm going to do what I want to do, that's all I can say. 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At the end at the end of the day, I only have so much energy and chat's not going to have fun, 'cause they can tell when I'm low energy. Like I said, I've seen paragraphs analyzing every single facet of my personality. They can tell when you're low energy, that's the truth. So sometimes it's worth it to give yourself a little more breathing room. Occasionally though, I get a little ahead of myself, schedule too many streams, it be like that. And it's taking quite a toll on my energy, and after I'm done streaming, I just go lay down. And that's the only thing I do besides streaming and making music, is sleeping. So it's something that I- - How much sleep do you get per day? - Six hours a night, which is not terrible, but it's not perfect. - I think you need a little bit more than that. - Yeah, so I'm trying to work on that a little bit, but there's just a lot to do. And there's a lot that you have to put your energy into. And when it comes to music, one thing that I've noticed is that it takes a little less energy for me simply because there's no pressure about making mistakes on stream. In your work process, nobody really sees all the awful mistakes that you make when you're recording a hundred takes over and over again. You put it together and the song that you've made is hopefully, if you've done it right, the best possible thing that you could have made it be, right. With streaming, it's just go, be good at improv, be good at games, be good at something and just pray. - Be perfect for the next two hours. - Yeah, exactly and just pray. And that takes a lot of energy out of you. there's a lot of stress that comes with that. That maybe you can be really good at hiding, maybe you're not so good at hiding it. It just depends, man and it's rough. It's- - I feel like you've got to learn it along the way as well because no one's ever prepared to be like, "Okay, I'm going to stream even though I'm low energy." And sometimes you have to just force it out of you, and it's so difficult 'cause that's why I don't stream so often as well, because I also have a certain amount of energy, and if it's below that, then it's just not going to be a good stream. - I think that a lot of the times though, when you feel rough or you don't feel like you've got the energy for a stream, often, that when you actually start and get into it, you kind of get into the rhythm of it, and you kind of get a lot more energy as you go. - It also depends on what you're doing. There are some streams where you're just like, "I'm having a good time playing this", or "I'm having a good time doing this activity." And there some streams where you're just like, "This isn't an okay time and I'll have to make it seem like it's a lot more fun than just an okay time." - I mean, I do got to admit, I think I barely scraped by in terms of the personality you need to stream because not everyone can stream. You have to have a certain kind of personality. I don't know if you guys know this, but I've seen it a couple quote, unquote, reliable, scientific research papers or whatever. Somebody said something on the internet, and I took it as fact. But I believe it. I can only- (Garnt laughs) - There's some big air quotations on that. - I can understand this being true, so I'm not saying this is a fact, but I don't think the human brain was meant to deal with 10,000 or so people watching you all at one time and what you're doing. - 100%. - 100%.. - Humans weren't built to do that. - 100%. - 100%. - We weren't built for it. Now, technically I'm not a human but listen. (Garnt and Connor laughs) I have a human body, so we're going- - Throw out the research paper. (Connor chuckles) (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Exactly. But we really aren't meant to, so you have to have a certain kind of personality to not mentally collapse. - What is that personality? - You have to have a little bit of an ego. You have to have just a smidge. It just needs to be a little bit, it needs to be enough. Because not everyone can do it, that's just the truth. You have to have a certain kind of personality, you can't brute force it and that's fine. That is absolutely okay but it's just kind of how it is. You can build it up yourself but it is a prerequisite. - Do you see yourself doing streaming for a much longer time? Or do you think there's like a certain amount of time? Where you're just like, "Yeah, I'm probably going to try something different after a certain amount of time." - Right, like a time limit on this? It does take more energy for me than some other folks, I think. And with that being said, I think that I'd like to try it out, and continue on for a longer time. However, the frequency with which I do it may change at some point because- - Yeah I mean- - Yeah, I'll be thoroughly impressed if you can keep this for the next year. - Have you heard about this thing, it's called weekends. It's where most people- - A holiday. - Holidays as well. (Garnt laughs) - The fabled holiday, I've heard of that before. Yeah, but in a sense, these days, I kind of find myself sitting down after a stream being like, "All right, break time, watch something on Netflix." And I think to myself, "I want to do something work-related." And that's when you've become a workaholic and you need to fix that. - You've got the illness. - So it's good but I often found the struggle where I would sometimes invest too heavily in work. And then I would think, "Oh, I just haven't hung out with anyone in a long time." (Joey chuckles) And I feel kind of lonely. But then I've spent too much time working and I can't hang out with people because they're hanging out with people who are more consistent (laughing) hanging out, which is totally fair, right. - What do you mean? Well, because if you're often not available, people don't invite you to things, right? So if everyone knows that you're not going to turn up to stuff most of the time, people stop inviting you. - They give up. - So you kind of have to balance very carefully and like, going to stuff, but also wanting to be there for work. Because I also feel the same way with streaming where I'm like, "Oh, I'm not there enough. I'm not participating in the ecosystem enough." So it's a struggle. Do you ever have that problem? - All the time. (Connor chuckles) But I mean, recently I've been trying to fix that by instead reaching out to people that I haven't talked to, and be like, hey I'm here. - That's yeah, that's my work around. It's because people, if I get to the point where people stop inviting me because I get too busy, get your brain. I stopped. - No, no, I do, I have to have a schedule. - I'm gonna take a step. - I'll make my own events. - I'll be like, now, all I want to do is work, but I'll schedule something in like two weeks. 'Cause it's not right now, it's not right now, it's not work right now. Then it comes around and I'm like, "Fuck I want to work." But I'm glad I scheduled that because now can actually force myself to go and have a good time, and not think about doing work. - I feel like moving has helped you as well 'cause I remember before, you never invite people to your place at all because- - It was a mess. - It was a mess. - Well, Pewdiepie roasted me. (Mori and Garnt laughs) - It was terrible and it was also too far. - But now you're in a more central place, so it's easier to just invite people, and sort out your own place. - Because when I lived an hour away, like a minimum of an hour journey. An hour is a long time to lose in a day when I try and make every God damn hour count. So when two hours, 'cause there and back, right? now it's a lot quicker for me, which is great for most places. But yeah, I would spend so much time traveling, and I'm not the kind of person who can work on a train. I don't know about you. - Yeah, definitely not Tokyo trains. Yeah, If I'm standing, there's absolutely no way I can do any work. And then sometimes- - I can, I figured out a way. Do you get this thing though, sometimes? - How, how? What work do you do on a train? (Mori chuckles) - Well, I can answer emails, I can work on scripts 'cause you can do it all on the phone. - Fuck off, can you work on scripts on the train, Joey. (Mori and Garnt laughs) - Do you ever have, I don't know if this is another thing or this is just a me thing, right? I have these things, right, it's an email, but it's an email that I need to sit down and look at. It's a focus email, I can't do it when I'm standing. I got to sit down and be like, "Okay, okay." - [Mori] 100%. - Yeah, I don't have that (chuckles). - You don't? I'm envious of you. - I have that. I can't answer important emails on my phone, I need to sit down on a laptop or a computer or something. - It feels so much nicer. - [Garnt] Yeah, yeah. - A computer, have the big screen, so I can think about my words on a bigger resolution. I don't know why that matters. - Do you activate different neurons when you sit down? - Calli back me up here. Do you do this? - I mean, I agree, actually, entirely, especially when it comes to music. Though, sometimes I'll be on a plane, on a train, I get my phone out, I'm like, "I'm ready to work." And I'm like, "Nope, time for a nap." And I just put my phone away- - People who work on planes are like, just what happened in their childhood? (Mori laughs) - Oh no, I can work on planes. - What happened in your childhood? - I can work on planes. - That's fucked up. - Oh my God, how? - Working on a plane is different than working on a train, okay. - No, man. You work on a plane? - With a train- - Yeah. (Garnt laughs) - Oh my God. - [Mori] Oh my God. - You're like this in the fucking cabin, there's people next to you, they bring the food over, you're like, "Oh shit, the fucking laptop." 'Cause on a plane, you are- - I do it on my phone. - No. - No, no, you don't work on your phone, Joey. (Mori and Chad laughs) You need a fucking laptop or at least a tablet, a phone? - That's pretty rough. - You can't work on a plane right? - No, I mean, what happens is, I think I'm going to, so I bring my laptop. - The three levels of psychopaths. - I bring it in the carry on and I put it on the table, and I'm ready to work. And then suddenly someone comes with a glass of Chardonnay and they're like, "Here you go." I'm like, "All right, well, I've got to find a freaking place for this." Then turn on the thing and I'm looking at the map, and I'm like, "I wonder what movies they have?" And suddenly I'm looking at the movies. "Holy shit they have this one I wanted to watch." - See, if I was in like first class or business, had the whole fucking thing set up yet, yeah, okay, maybe we can talk about working. When I'm in economy, I'm just depressed. I don't want to think about work, I want to watch whatever Jason Statham movie is on this plane. - No, I'm depressed because there's no good movies on. It's always shit movies, which I hate. It's plane movies, so if I'm going to be in a bad mood, I might as well be in a bad mood and do some work. That's my- - That's exactly why I hate watching movies on a plane, because for one they're all movie I don't want to watch. So I'm like, "Well, what is there to do?" I'm not just going to blankly stare out the window. - I just sleep. - [Mori] Take a nap. - I don't know, yeah, I just sleep. - Okay when I say- - [Garnt] When I can sleep, when I can sleep. - When I say work on a plane, I'm not working the whole fucking trip. - Yeah, Joey's making calls, sell my stock God damn it. - I haven't seen my kids in three days. (Joey, Connor and Garnt laughs) Okay, if I'm flying from Tokyo to LA, it's like what? 10, 11 hour flight. - I'm probably working, max, like three or four hours. - [Garnt] Yeah, same here. - How the fuck? - The rest of the time I'm reading a book, or taking a nap or watching a movie, God forbid. Doing something else, basically. I'm not that much of a fucking machine where I'm like, "11 hours on this flight, all right. 11 full hours of work." - Mudan is the only guy. - Yeah, Mudan is the only one. - The final stage. - Puts his desktop on the plane. (Garnt laughs) - No, Mudan's the type of guy who's like, "Oh, you need to video edit it, let me whip out my phone real quick." (Joey laughs) - Oh my God, he's done that. - Yeah, right. - He's done that before. - Has he actually? - He's used the remote control on his phone to edit on his PC. - [Chad] Yeah, it's just like a virtual- - That's what I'm saying, this guy's plugged into the matrix. This is it, this is when you reach your final form. This is the final evolution of humans. (Mori and Garnt laughs) How'd you script on your phone? Especially if you're standing up in a crowded train, it's impossible for me to get the right mindset. I can't get a single thought together. - So if I'm in a crowded train, I'm not writing script. I'm doing the research for the script. 'Cause it's easy enough to just, 'cause you already own your phone on a crowded train, looking at Twitter or whatever. So what's the difference between looking at Twitter and looking at a web page, or an anime news site or something. - I'd just watch Philip de Franco. - Yeah, or a YouTube video, right? It's the same motion but I'm not there fucking typing it out on a crowded train, obviously not. If I'm sitting down on a train, sure I can whip it out and start typing some shit in, but I don't know. - I wish I had that power, man. (Garnt laughs) - I mean if you did that, you'd probably be able to upload every week. (Joey, Mori and Garnt laughs) - Maybe that's what's missing. - He got fired. - [Connor] I don't think it's that, as much he wishes. - Pa, pa, pa, poh, shots fired. - I mean, do you find you have to be in a certain environment when you write your music? Or is it just whenever inspiration hits? - That's a good question. To be completely honest, I can't force it, I just can't. Sometimes I'm in the mood to write this song, sometimes I'm not. And if I force it, then the lyrics are gonna turn out real bad. So I just have to be really mindful of when I'm feeling that inspiration though. It does get a bit stronger as the deadline creeps up. It's not procrastination, I promise, it's just- - That's what they all say. - That's what they all say. (Garnt laughs) - I feel that making music is a completely different part of your brain that doesn't overlap with any other type of activity. - [Mori] Definitely. - Yeah, I couldn't write music on a plane or anywhere that's not my room. And even when I'm in my room, I need to be, as Calli said, I need to be in a specific mood. - That's me and scripting. I need to be in a specific mood. I can do admin stuff on my phone and shit like that, but scripting's sacred. - That's probably why your scripting is way better than mine. - It sounds like you have that with everything though, Garnt. Sounds like you have to be in the mood to shit as well. (Mori and Chad laughs) - I mean, there's nothing wrong with being in the mood to shit. (Connor laughs) - This man, everything needs to be in the monk-like zen mode to get anything done. "Garnt can you order some food now?" - "I need to be in the right mindset to open up Uber eats." - I just get distracted too easily. - You do, you do. Genius take a takes a while. (Garnt laughs) Yeah, if you stopped, like if you actually opened the fucking app. (Joey and Garnt laughs) - That's why I need the certain apps that I'm comfortable with. I want to stay on those apps. Don't give me anything new, TikTok scares me, okay. Yes, I'm a boomer, okay. Say it, say it! (Mori and Joey laughs) - No, no, it's okay Garnt, you're going to age way better than me. It's fine, I'm just jealous. - He has the upper hand now. - How does it feel looking at Chris and being like, "I'm going to be that in five years?" (Mori and Garnt laughs) - [Mori] They don't stop and they don't stop and they don't stop. - We all know it's true though, come on we all know it's true. - Chris looks good, Chris looks good, Chris is great. Yeah, I'll be bald at Chris's age. (Connor and Mori laughs) Oh my God. Sad but true, sad but true, pray for me, oh my God. What's your favorite live streaming meme? Or words that they use 'cause live stream has its own lingo. - That's right, let me think, let me think. - I don't think I've ever seen Calli throw out the KEKW. - [Mori] I can't. - Or the Pog or anything like that. - [Mori] I just can't. - You know KEKW, you know Sangh? - That's because she's not on Twitch. - I can't do it, I wish I had it in me. - Are you able to say the word Pog or KEKW without- - No, I can't. (Garnt laughs) It's too much for me. - You can't give out a MonkaS, every now and then? (Joey and Garnt laughs) - I know I'm pretty cringe here and there, but that's just a little, it's a little too much. I think I might collapse into myself like a black hole. (Garnt, Joey and Chad laughs) I can't do it, man. - What's your go-to? - Pepehands. - Oh, Pepehands. - [Garnt] Oh. - That's all you're going to get from me because somebody's been sending me Pepehands Supers, recently and yeah, it stays in my mind. - Is there a meme you'd like to see pop up? - Ah, let's see. Let me think, let me think. I have to think really carefully about how I answer this one 'cause there's a hot debate. - Every conversation or question you ask is meme related. - [Mori] In my chat right now. - I do want to know what people's tastes in memes are, so I can kind of gauge their level of internet prowess. - We don't do a lot of memes in my chat. I feel like, there's not- - YouTubers vs Twitch streamers, right? (Garnt chuckles) - Yeah, it's hard because I feel like it depends on the chat, right? I'm certainly not, for example, it's not that everyone in holo EN's chats are averse to memes, no, no it's just the crowd that I've attracted, I think isn't super hardcore and we still have a few. - Yeah, sometimes I'll go to a VTuber's stream and I'll watch it and I'll just not understand it. And they'll be like, oh my God, they said banana, it's the thing, it's the thing, it's the in-joke. And I'm like, "What's going on?" - [Mori] There are a lot of those. - I feel like that applies for every YouTuber. - No, no it doesn't. I know with Twitch, at least, I think, I feel like I haven't seen that much. - I feel like that applies to me and Twitch, honestly. - [Connor] Oh, what? - The in-jokes? - Yeah, the in-jokes on Twitch. Just 'cause I don't spend enough time watching Twitch streams. - I don't know, maybe I'm just talking out my ass. - I feel that on Twitch it's- - I'm talking out my ass for real. - I feel that with Twitch, it's multiple layers. It's like, it starts off with a Twitch reference, that is specific to Twitch and then that evolves into an in-joke. So it's like multiple layers that you have to understand. Whereas on YouTube there isn't really specific lingo, I guess, I don't know. - Oh, no, with hololive it's, I think, all the memes that come from the subreddit, I assume, right? - Oh, that's right, there are a lot of things popping off there, I think for sure but- - I mean, it's the same with Trash Taste, right? A lot of the memes come from the subreddit. (Garnt laughs) - [Garnt] That's true, that is true. - They come from somewhere that's for sure. But I mean- - That's what we need Reddit for, just the memes. - [Joey] Yeah, yeah, keep up to date. - Yeah, just keep up to date with all the memes, right? - I mean, I guess, occasionally, it's just little things, it's not necessarily just words being spammed in chat, but rather things that I do or make a habit of. For example, my intro and outro, a lot of times when I started the stream, I'll turn up the reverb and echo and I'll just say, "Gah." And then everyone in the chat just says guh. Or they use the guh emote, that's about it. "Hi, Calli, how are you?" Hey, that's it, that's about it. And then at the end, everyone says, "Peace." Turn up the reverb, turn up the echo, "Peace." And everyone spams peace in the chat, but it's not just like word after word, that's the same kind of thing. Not a lot of, emotes. Of course, you pull out the glow sticks and the music emote for the live shows. But that's about the extent of where it goes to, I think. Now for others in EN, I can see it being kind of different. They've all got their own personal, inside jokes and words people like to say in chat but people get frustrated about that sometimes, 'cause not everybody's a big fan of the same memes being used over again and over again, it's chat, there's a lot of fighting. - Yeah, it also makes it difficult sometimes for new people to come in. If it's just all in-jokes, right. It's important to maintain the balance of, "Hey chat, shut the fuck up." - 'Cause you also don't want to be that guy that's like, "What does this mean chat?" There's that pressure as well. - Yeah, exactly. I guess the closest thing we ever got was, you guys know Adam Sandler? - Yeah, of course. (Joey and Garnt laughs) - Anyway. - Just the way you said that. - Is that like a underground acter? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. This underground new YouTuber- - You said it like it was an avant garde musical artist that we'd never heard of. - It's like me going, "Do you guys this guy called Nicholas Cage?" (Mori laughs) - "Do you know Barack Obama?" (Joey laughs) - [Mori] Yeah, I dunno how relevant Ol' Adam is these days. - So where is this going with Adam Sandler? - I mean, he just has become like a prominent figure in the lore. Same with Shrek. - [Connor] What? - It's just it's stuff like that- - When isn't Adam Sandler? - And here's where new people getting into the stream would maybe get confused. - So how is Adam Sandler playing the part? - He's just always kind of been there, like his spirit. (Connor laughs) - What? - [Mori] It's hard to explain. - He's still alive, right? - A long time ago there was an event- (Mori laughs) - He's still doing well. - A long time ago, there was an event where we all canonically we erased it from our brains. And I've been having trouble remembering it. - [Connor] Like "Click." - And there was the existence of an emote, I believe, I can't remember what it looks like. And I don't remember what we called it, but I know Ol' Adam was involved, and we banished it from the chat. We had like a burning ceremony and everything. After watching Adam's movies, I can't remember it. - Is this like your Mandela effect in motion or something like that? - We get a little crazy sometimes. - I'm missing so many parts of the context of this story. - We've jumped right to the exile of Adam Sandler. (Mori laughs) How do we get to the exile? How did it even begin? - I mean, I was just kind of like, listen, when I was a young baby Reaper, mama Mori often put Ol' Adam on the screen when she went off to work and I'd watch Ol' Adam back then, just me and my Adam Sandler movies. - Just me and Adam. - And of course it came up again in chat and people were like, "Oh, what movies do you like?" And I was like, "Have you guys seen, 'Happy Gilmore?" And they're like, "Heh, Adam Sandler." - I love Happy Gilmore, it's great. - Happy Gilmore's great, yeah. - I actually do think that's a good movie. - What are your favorite Adam Sandler movies? - "Mr. Deeds." - [Connor] I love "Mr. Deeds." - I've not seen that one. - It's such a good one, it's why I recommend it. - My favorite scene is when he's hitting his foot. - Yeah and his foot's black from the frostbite, yeah, that's right. I remember my first curse words from that movie. - I don't remember that scene, I've seen the movie, I don't remember the scene. - I've seen, I think, "50 First Dates." - Oh yeah, that one's not bad. - That's actually a good one. - Yeah, I think that's a good one and- - [Joey] I think, "Click's" my favorite. - "Click's" a pretty good one too. - [Connor] "Click's" good. - Anger management. Oh, Sydney showed me "Wedding Singer," the other day, 'cause I was talking about Adam Sandler. - Why were you talking about Adam Sandler? - I can't remember. - [Joey] Why does Adam just creep into everyone's- - Shit, why was I talking about Adam Sandler? - Adam just creeps into everyone's subconcious. - Sydney, why was I talking about Adam Sandler again? - [Sydney] What? (Garnt and Mori laughs) - Oh, she's in the other room right now. - What was I going to say? Good Ol' Adam, he's become like a presence, and it's hard to explain why, but he just creeped in. Have you guys seen "Uncut Gems"? - It's amazing. - I've been trying to get these guys to watch it, it's such a good movie. - I remember you talking about it, yeah. He's so good, it's like he's actually acting for once. (Joey laughs) Like he's actually trying. - Exactly. - My movie list is like my anime to watch list, which is like, yeah, I'll watch it someday and then- - They're all movies I've heard of, but I'm just like, "Yeah, I'll get to it, eventually." - If I watch it, it's good. - What will get me now is, sometimes memes just get me the urge to watch certain movies now. "Megamind" memes have been coming up more recently. I'm just like, "I should watch- - Have you watched the movie? It's really good. - [Garnt] I have not watched "Megamind." I've heard it's really good, I've heard it's really ahead of it's time. Yeah and just seeing the memes, I saw the memes and I'm just like, "Let me watch a few clips." And then I'm like, "Oh, maybe I should sit down and watch this." Maybe I'll do that tonight, actually. Now, I'm thinking about it. (Joey and Mori laughs) I'll watch "Megamind" tonight. - Or do you also have to be in the right mindset to watch that? (Joey, Mori and Garnt laughs) - It's literally "Megamind," Garnt. It's a kid's movie, you don't have to be in a mindset. - Is that Pixar? It's not Pixar, it's Dreamworks right? - [Connor] No, no, it's Dreamworks. - I have to be in certain moods to watch entertainment, okay. - I can understand that too. - I'm a very picky person. - But Adam Sandler, Dreamworks, and that kind of stuff, that's supposed to be the type of genre that does so well, because you can watch it, anytime. - That's right. - Oh, but sometimes, when you watch a show, or something that people have been talking about, and you just watch it just to keep up. - "Megamind" is not a clay masterpiece, you don't need to pay attention, you just watch it all right. - I want to pay attention to the shit I watch Connor. I want to pay attention to it. - If there was a genre of entertainment that does very well because you don't need to pay attention to it. - It's the brain dead entertainment. - [Mori] Turn off your brain. - Yeah, brain dead. - Even in the brain dead stuff, I like to pay attention just because- - Even when you're making thumbnails. - Yeah, exactly, stuff like that Stuff that you can do other stuff- - I thought that's what YouTube videos were for. I thought that was what Trash Taste was for, that's the brain dead content, right? (Joey and Garnt laughs) - Don't sell ourselves thin. - Hard to do when you're watching subs though. If you've got subtitles though it's kind of a little harder. - The Trash Taste, YouTubes most brain dead podcast. - 'Cause sometimes you put on a YouTube video, right, sometimes you put it on the second monitor and then it starts and you're like, "Oh, oh, oh, this is some main monitor shit, oh, okay." - [Joey] When you switch it over. - And then you have to swap it over to the main monitor. You're like, "Oh, okay." That's how you know it's top tier content, when it's not on your second monitor, it's on your main monitor, man. - I get that, I get that. - And that, to me, it's just every movie, I can't have a movie on in the background, right. - No, I can't do that either. - I can do that. - [Garnt] I know you can. - Can you do that? - It's tough these days because I actually don't really consume a lot of media, sadly enough. - 'Cause you're streaming nine hours a day, every day. - I have an issue where if I really get into a series, I have to finish it in one go. Recently I was reading a manga that I got into the other night, it's been out for a long time. (Joey, Garnt and Connor laughs) - I thought you said, Amung Us. - No, not Amung Us, please, no Amung Us. No, I can't, honestly with the Amung Us, oh no. - I'm glad I wasn't the only one. I looked at Garnt and we just made eye contact and we were like, "Among Us?" Among Us. - That game just infiltrates everyone's brains, I swear. - I've never heard anyone proud to pronounce it, Amung Us. - Amung Us, did I really say it like that? - You said it like that. - Oh God, I can't believe it, I'll never forgive myself. - I just love how we all were, all three of us just perked up and just looked at each other. It's like, "Amung Us." Sorry, sorry, we completely- - No, it's okay, it's actually kind of, it's not a super new one, it's called, what was it? I believe in Japanese it's called (speaking Japanese). - Oh yeah, "Alice In Borderland." - Oh the Netflix show. - Yeah, yeah, I read the whole manga. Yeah I watched the Netflix show, I watched all of it and I was like, "This is pretty good." And so I just had to figure out what the ending was. And so I read the whole manga from start to finish in one day and I was like, "I could have done a lot of other stuff, but I had to keep reading it." - Was it worth it? - Yeah, it was good, I liked it. I thought the ending was okay, it was fine. But I thought the writing and the emotional writing was, it gets a little much, sometimes like a little edgy, but overall I thought it was very well done, so I recommended it. - I think it's just like most survival horror mangas. It's just like a little touch of too edgy. - By the way, this is not because of "Squid Game" that I've been getting into, "Kaiji" and stuff like that, I liked "Kaiji" and- - You liked "Kaiji" before it was cool. - No. (Mori laughs) But I've been into death game stuff, before "Squid Game" popped up. - Well, it's your job, right? - Yeah. - I have to do my research. - It's a form of inspiration. - Damn those things are good. - Like, aw shit, why didn't I think of that? Fuck. - I don't know, not "Squid Game," just death game manga and anime are definitely some of my guilty pleasures. Because there are some, I think in terms of the tier of well-written death games, I think "Squid Game's" on the side of the better written ones, even though it is a bit edgy sometimes. But sometimes you just read something like that is just pure edge and for some reason, it's just, I don't know, man, it's like junk food for me. - I can name about 10. - Yeah. - A lot of them do feel quite samey after a while though. - Yeah. - "Cause you're just like, "Oh, okay." - You start to be able to predict things the way the games are gonna go. - It's because they're all influenced by each other. So it's like, there's only so much you can do until someone is like, "No, no, let me try something else." - Have you watched, "Squid Game" done yet? - I have, I did, I watched it again all in one night, 'cause I couldn't take a break. - Me too. - Yeah and I thought it was very good. I thought it was a very solid show and I liked it a lot. Of course there are things that I wasn't super into, but overall I liked it. - Yeah, it definitely wasn't the perfect show, but really good. - Grim Reaper approves. - What I find interesting about the whole "Squid Game," like getting mainstream stuff now is I've seen so many debates about the subs versus dub in the mainstream now. And it's so surreal, right? - I mean, some of the dubbing in "Squid Game" was- - I keep getting recommending clips of some of the dub clips of "Squid Game." And I'm just like, "How are people watching this right now?" 'Cause I think, I can't remember, I think I saw it on Philip DeFranco where there was a metric of how many people watched it dubbed. I think it was like 60 or like 69% people- - More people watched it dubbed? - 'Cause people on Netflix, when you do it, if you've got your language set to English, it just automatically linked. So a lot of people don't want to then flip to- - I think it's, well for some countries the original Korean, voices just weren't available. - What? - 'Cause like I remember my sister was telling me in Australia, there was no option other than the English dub. Like you have to watch it in English dub. And she's like, "What the fuck?" I don't want to watch it in English dub. But yeah. So I think it also depends on the country as well. - It's interesting because I actually I've watched Netflix shows with the dub when they aren't originally, like, when it's a different language, other than English, I've watched English dubs on Netflix that I didn't think were terrible, but that was something special, yeesh man. (Garnt and Joey laughs) - Half the actors are speaking in a different type of English. I think half the voice actors are Americans and the other half are British. - The old woman just doesn't sound like an old woman. You know that should be the first thing that you try and do to at least give a little bit of effort to not sound like a 25 year old. - Yeah, from the clips I've seen, it definitely gives me the impression that none of the dubbed voice actors knew how big this was going to be. - I don't think anyone involved. - I don't think even Netflix knew how big this was gonna be. And you can definitely see it. Yeah, because, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just because we're in the anime community, but for me, especially when it comes to live action, I can't imagine watching live action in anything but the original language. - It's so jarring. - It's so jarring. - Although it is also a guilty pleasure of mine. Every now and then I watch a live action Hollywood film with the Japanese dub. - Why, Joey, why? - It's so funny. - It is funny. - And even when they get top voice actors in the animesphere to voiceover Vin Diesel in fucking "Fast and Furious," I'm just like, it's so weird. It's so weird to hear a different voice that's not Vin Diesel's come out of Vin Diesel's mouth, yeah, it's very funny. - [Mori] You've peaked my curiousity. - You should, it's really funny. - And then luckily in Japan, normally all the movies are in subbed in the cinema, which is thank you because I can watch them. - It's all the ones that make it to DVD, that have an option. - Yeah, DVD, they have a option, thank God, thank God, thank you, Japan. I can actually enjoy going to the cinema. - It is weird watching like Japanese dubs of Western cartoons though, that is weird. Like- - Oh like "Simpsons?" Yeah, Simpsons, like hearing Japanese, Rick and Morty as well was that was so surreal. - Japanese Rick and Morty. (Mori laughs) - [Joey] So weird. - That's when I can kind of get behind it because it actually suits it a lot in a lot of the scenes. Like whoever voices Rick fucking blew it out of the park. - Did a great job. - I wanna go listen to this now. - It's not bad. - Okay shit, okay, okay. - This is the only, being on the other side of things where it's like, oh no, not all dubs are bad. Even if it's like, originally in English for once. - Trash Taste is better in Russia, everyone knows. - Yeah, Connor in Russian Trash Tastes sounds like he sounds like he wrestles bears for a living. - I really, really am envious of that man. - So have you had like time to watch anything else in your schedule or is it just like- - Just random stuff? - Just random stuff? - Recently I've been, I got really into like, it's a super obscure like Yakuza film series called, I know what it's called in English, Battles without honor or humanity. I need to figure out what the name- - That is the most Google translated title I've ever heard. - I need to find the name of it and I wish I could look it up. - So what's the plot of this? - Its a really long plot. It's just about this one guy and his entire experience from start to finish entering the Yakuza family. And it's just, I can't explain why I like it. It's just kind of cool. And like a lot of the sound clips are just really iconic. The music is really iconic. You'll hear it sampled a lot in Japanese rap. It's just really neat. And there's a lot of blood. It was one of the like most prominent, I think Yakuza films made in Japan. There's five of them. I haven't watched the last one, but I've been slowly working through them. I found them on Amazon with English subtitles. There was only one copy in the world and I got it. - Oh wow. So it wasn't even streamed, it was like physical media. Holy shit. That's how you know it's like underground. - [Connor] OG. - How did you find that? - I was recommended it by a friend who really likes Japanese movies. And I was like, "Ah, I should check it out." And I really liked it. - When was the last time you bought physical media? - Mother Knows Breast. - Bought it to watch it. - [Connor] I watched it. - You've watched? You've actually put it in? I don't have a DVD player. - [Garnt] That's what I thought. - Do you have a DVD player? - No, but a PlayStation works just fine. - I can't remember the last time I brought like a DVD or a Blu-ray that I actually watched. I've even bought like anime blue-rays and DVDs, but just like, that's just so I can own them physically. - Even if I bought it, I ain't putting that shit in. You know how annoying it is getting up, bending down, putting it in, fuck. - Dude, I can just chromecast this. - My poor knees. - I'm an old man now. Oh so I'm a child now, but I was an old man one time. And that was very difficult. - You're an old man stuck in a child's body. - I am, I am. I just want to do everything digitally. It's so much easier. - I mean that's why it's become a dying medium. - That's why you like, I mean, forget DVDs. You don't watch anything that's not on Netflix now. - You know what sucks is that, everything good is unlike Hulu and HBO and I'm like, we don't have that shit. It's so unfair. I'm like, I don't know how to do this. Please help me, I want HBO. Everything seems to be on HBO. - Oh, I mean a lot of the good shows, I'd say like a lot of the critically acclaimed shows seems to be on HBO. - You can't get it outside of America. - Is this where you select a sponsorship, perhaps? - Actually funny thing. A lot of HBO shows and a lot of TV shows are available on YouTube to buy, but I've noticed like.. 'Cause I've watched "Chernobyl" and I watched that on YouTube. - I watched on Amazon Prime. - Oh, it's on Amazon Prime, yeah? - Yeah, I watched on Amazon Prime. - Okay, but that's probably like the last amazing live action TV show that I've probably got into. - [Connor] Yeah, I love that. - Yeah, fucking amazing. - You guys just realize sometimes how things have developed with like anime and Japanese culture in general because I remember a time when I was younger and I had to beg momma Maury to drive me 40 minutes to the only small anime store in our state. - The fact that you even had an anime store- - Yeah, you're probably just showing (laughing). - Porkie was $6 and I remember saving up all what little allowance I could. - Porkie, oh my God. - You think that was a Romane? - [Mori] Yeah, with a Romane, it was $6. - I don't know Vermont gone, but like I came into anime it was kind of becoming more globalized and the internet was kind of kicking into full force. - [Garnt] Yeah. - And yeah, even back then, it was like, you couldn't get anything like nothing. - You didn't live through the dog age. - No, all I could get was like the worst I had to deal with. It was like, you give GX Espanol part one. That was like the worst I had to deal with, but I could still get it, I can get it. - No, I mean, we could also get it as well it just was a lot harder to find. We had to put more work into it other than just streaming. I feel like made anime just like kinda like it made anime fucking way more accessible because even back in my day, I still bought DVDs whenever I could. But then once streaming became a thing, I just stopped buying DVDs at all. And yeah, it is certainly weird to see anime become way more fucking popular nowadays, even though none of us watch it anymore (laughing). Right, shawty? - Yeah. The more popular anime has become, the less I've watched. - Do you watch much anime now, Calli? - I mean, to be honest, I feel like all the anime I'm really interested in is older stuff that I get recommended. For example, "Kaiji" and "Baki", I've been really into. - "Baki"? - [Garnt] Hell yeah. - [Mori] Too much pleasure I just- - Are you caught up on the anime? - No, that is the only one that I've been slowly watching 'cause I don't want it to end. So like day by day watching an episode, nice and slow. - It's so good, I love that. - I still want to watch in anime. - What party you want it, I want to ask? - Let's see, what part did we stop off at? Let me think, 'cause I've been watching it with a friend who is also a big fan and we've been watching like at the same time, like overseas, completely separated from each other. Let me see which part where we at. - What was the last thing that happened? - What was the most iconic thing that happened? - I mean, every episode. (all laughing) - I think "Baki" officially challenged his father, I think was the last thing that happened that I saw. I'm like trying to not- - Did it like 10 times? - Yeah. (all laughing) - Do you realize how little that narrows us down? - It's a new season, a new season. - [Joey] Oh, she's at three? - Yeah, I have to admit- - Oh, its your pretty father? - Yeah, when I started watching "Baki" I actually challenged myself and I didn't watch it with English subtitles I watched it completely Japanese with Japanese only subtitles. And I did not figure out that Baki's dad was who he is until I felt so ashamed. I was like, wow three years self study Japanese and I can't even figure that out. - I feel you, I feel you 'cause sometimes like, do you watch all anime unsubs now then? Or do you watch like some sub, some unsubbed? - Ah, it depends. Usually what I'll do is if it's one that I've seen before, I'll watch it without subtitles. But I mean, I do watch it with subtitles, with the Japanese subtitles. So I at least get the Kanji to like help me out if I can't really hear how something's pronounced. - [Connor] Yeah, Kanji helps a lot. - Yeah. If there's like something you don't understand, you like rewind as well and like, just to see if- - That sounds like a nightmare. - It is a nightmare. - That's how you learn. - That's how you learn. You're not watching it in the same way that you're watching to enjoy anymore. It is a learning experience, - Study material. - Yeah. It is study material. I mean, in terms of study material, I can think of worse study material than anime, but- - For sure. - It's the sacrifice you have to make, I guess, to make. - That's why you got to like use like as soon as you've already seen and like a familiar with, right. - It's not really bad 'cause like when I was hanging out with some Japanese friends and everyone was watching "Kaiji" and I watched it too. And of course there were no English subtitles. So I was watching and I recall going home and going on Wikipedia and looking up what happened. - I mean, there are some shows that are easier to follow than others. I can barely follow the rules of what happened is happening in "Kaiji", in English, let alone in another language. - Sure, I mean, there's "Peppa Pig", plot lines, man. Those things are fucking complex, man. Very complex. - Obviously you laugh but yeah, I took lady bed's advice and I started watching "Peppa Pig" in Japanese. And I could tell my Japanese was improving by how much of "Peppa Pig" I could understand. I don't know, it got to a point where I could understand 80%, 80 to 90% of "Peppa Pig". And that was like, that was the first time I felt, holy shit I'm actually making fucking progress. - Like veins off with his hand power. Oh, this is power! - Oh shit, "Peppa Pig" is a good shot (laughing). - And then I graduated to normal anime after that. And even then there are some anime you have to be very selective in the anime you watch, if you want to treat anime as a study material, 'cause some things are just like, just like so far beyond your level. - "Baki" seems like a hard one to choose. - Yeah, because I feel like "Baki" would be pretty hard because there's so much explanation of like boys happening on screen and like the backstory and stuff. - Trust me, I read the manga and sometimes I have to like, double-take me like what the fuck does that mean? I'm pretty sure I'm fluent in this language but it doesn't look like my language. - Yeah, it's like sometimes "Baki" is like a visual storytelling medium. And then sometimes it's really not. - Sometimes it's a novel. - Yeah, exactly. - Exactly. I remember where I was, we just left the prison. Please don't spoil it for me. Please check, please, I beg of you, don't spoil it for me. We also do fake spoilers in the chat. - Did you say chat? (laughing) - No, because they were watching. - Static chat. - Listen, you've got some time now, soon this episode areas to finish. - The marathons and I'm on it because we do fake spoilers in my chat. So, you can't trust anyone what anyone's saying. So I say guys throw out some fake spoilers. So people who are putting out real spoilers could be lying. We don't know, that's how I protect my chat. - "Baki" is one of those shows where you could give out a real spoil and you'd be like, I guess that's what happens. (Mori laughs) - We gave out a bunch last step. So it actually- - We literally just talked about "Baki" so it wasn't planned at all that we'd mentioned "Baki" again. - Yeah. - But thank you very much for building on what we said. - Please go and watch "Baki." - [Joey] Watch "Baki." - Please I beg you. - It is now VTuber approved. - [Joey] Exactly, Grim Reaper, watch "Baki". - I know you guys are here too, because I know I have a lot of fans of me who literally come to my stream and say, I came here from Trash Taste. A lot of deadbeats whose names I see over and over and over again, who are always there. I'm really thankful to you guys. Thank you so much for bringing me so many cool deadbeats. - Of course. - Oh, you came on, man. I just sat here and spoke. - I just sat here and ask you questions. - How has it been since that episode and how has life been in Japan over the last year? - Oh man, interestingly enough, and I hate to say it it's been a little sad only because I really haven't gotten out of the house much and like, I can't figure out if it's, because of the situation the world is in or because now I'm officially a workaholic. So I can't figure it out. - I think I know which is the answer to that one if I had to say just to take a guess. - [Joey] Say both just the distracted one. - Yeah, it's probably just like a combination of both. - Definitely. - I'm also a workaholic so I know it's the second one. - Oh man, how I did in front of everyone? (all laughing) We are all working. - That's how it is, I even got married. - I remember when kind of wasn't a workaholic and then he discovered streaming and then that was like the spare time that he had is now like dedicated to streaming. - It turns out when you don't really enjoy what you're making, it's really easy to like, not do it, but when you enjoy it, it's really hard to not do it. - [Garnt] Yeah, it's kind of like- - Fast. (laughing) - Spinning balls, bro. - Imagine you're enjoying your job. - Yeah, crazy, man. (Joey laughing) I just thought a job was something that you don't enjoy, but you do because you have to do it because everyone does it. That's what my perception of jobs was when I was growing up. - Yeah. - I worked at McDonald's for fuck sake. You think I like that? I hated that. - Wanna know where I worked? - [Connor] Where? - Where? (Garnt laughs) - Remind me. - Where? - Remind me, Calli, do you know where I worked before? - I think I do. - Remind me again. - I think I remember. - So I worked at the BBC before (laughing). - Oh, fucking, man. - That's right. I was like ABC, no? (all laughing) - [Joey] Something like that. - That's the American company. - Yeah, that's right. - You must've loved it 'cause you never shut up about it. - I never shut up about it 'cause I hated it. (all laughing) - I don't bring a McDonald's every goddam week. I love that people repost clips of you from like years ago now talking about you used to work at BBC. - Yeah, before it was a meme. Yeah, before it was a meme (laughing). - On God's business card it actually says, we used to work at the BBC. - Did it actually? (all laughing) - It says if I wouldn't put a post you'll do that. - Thanks BBC employee. - Yeah. - For the record, he's just talking shit. - Certified BBC employee. - Oh, come on, my god, Calli (chuckles). - So like on the vein of that, do you probably see this as a job or is it just something that you enjoy so much that it doesn't feel like a job and it's just so easy to do? - That's a really good question. I mean, all before this, I was also working for example, service jobs. There was never a point in my life where I wasn't working a job was usually a job I didn't like, but I was saving up money, to go to Japan. And even when I started doing sites swinging lessons, that was also something that I had a hard time with every day, waking up and feeling like going through the same thing. Like it wasn't satisfying to me. I think that there are plenty of people that can work desk jobs and office jobs that love it and have a great time. Or even if they don't love it, they're fine enough with it to go home and just have a drink and watch your content that's perfectly fine. - I was under the impression that people just wanted to work and then they did it just so that they could like play games in the evening. That's what I thought jobs were when I was growing. - I think there is jobs for most people. - Yeah, that's what I thought. - [Garnt] I know. - That's why then when I was doing YouTube and that was sometime I wasn't enjoying it, there's some posts I didn't enjoy. I was like, oh, this is normal, it's a normal job. But now I really like, it I'm addicted. - Yeah, which is why- - For me it comes in waves. It depends on whether you're working, whether you enjoy what you're working on or not. Sometimes if you're really passionate about it, it's just easy to do. And when you're not enjoying it, then it is a grind. - That's right. - That's the sacrifice that we make for being in very lucky positions. - We're lucky. - Yeah. - But I will say it's okay to not have a passion. I just want to put that out there. It's fine to not have one. I think it's perfectly fine to just do your job that you hopefully don't hate. If you hate it, I think you should stop it and find a job that you don't hate at the very least. And then go home and just do your hobby. Do what makes you happy, I think that's great. But if you do have a passion, then I think it's nice to at least give it a try to try to get it and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. - Unfortunately as well, most of the time hobbies or passions, aren't monetizable passions. - But when you do start to monetize it, it stops becoming your hobby. - Yeah, remember it was at the time now. I think, cause obviously you're surrounded in media, especially by people who are passionate about something 'cause I've been there. You don't get that by not being passionate. So I definitely agree that this will give you this false sense of everyone has to have a passion, right? - Right. And also I feel like I see a lot of interviews that say things like from people, for example, like us who have been very successful at what we do I see a lot of people say over and over again, just go for your dream, you can do it. If you really believe and work super hard, I know that I've said something like that in the past, but I want to very quickly correct myself. (all laughing) - Dreams are alive. - Here's the thing- - Back peddle, back peddle, back peddle, back peddle. - You need to two things, you got to realize that you're taking a risk you're making a gamble because you need two things. You need to work hard and you need to be extremely lucky and you need to have both of them. You can't just have one, you gotta have both. But the problem is if you don't work extremely hard, then there's no chance. There's no chance to ever happen. - And it's scary to take that chance in your life sometimes because some people just don't have a safety net. And so they fucking Yolo everything into this passion. And I'm just like, I couldn't do that. I respect anyone who has the guts to do that. Like for me, like I had to save up for like a year's worth of wages that I would could live comfortably on before I was even comfortable quitting to try and do YouTube. - Could have been three more videos. - Yeah, I know. (all laughing) - We never know. (all laughing) - There are three last videos that could have made it that year. I'm sorry, Calli. - But I think that even the fact that you had the balls to do that is quite an admirable because I'm sure there's a lot of people who want to like, get into either what we do or some kind of creative field that might have a year, five years, 10 years with the savings and they could just never take that first and forward. So I think just doing that, like, for me, it's like, I was still at school when I started this whole thing. So, I had that safety net all like, well, if it doesn't work out, I'll just get my degree, get a fucking job. - Yeah, it's also difficult I feel like when you're talking to other people who are successful in that particular field, you almost get this like not survivor bias, but like everyone's done it. - [Garnt] Yeah. - So how do you get a actual view the whole picture of the whole playing field if your only perspective is from talking to people who've made it? Sometimes I think like, huh, but then you can't go to someone like, Hey, you've been tries for 15 years and you just failed. Hey, can I talk to you for a moment? Can you figure out what's going on? You can't do that. - Remember that traumatic time where you try to make it and you didn't? It's always about that? - It's not always like that where people will just do it forever. Like people give up for many reasons, people just stop. They don't necessarily give up but there's a lot of like lot of factors that come into play. But also I do think that sometimes I'm like, huh, maybe I'm just talking to other people who've just made it too much. And I feel like I can't actually get a good perspective of what it takes. - Yeah, I mean, I get that and I think that we've just talked to enough people where you see certain patterns like everyone has a different path. Not everyone has exactly the same path, but you've noticed certain patterns that keep cropping up. And you're like, I kind of did that as well. And I'm just like... 'Cause I thought that at the beginning, there is nothing you can do to like guarantee success. And there is nothing you can do to guarantee success in our fields, but there are certainly things you can do to increase your chances. - [Connor] Yeah, true. - And I feel like that just comes with knowledge, right? That just comes with just the trial and error and just like what Calli's experience, where you start off, you're new, you don't know what you're doing and then eventually you do it enough and then you're able to get the opportunity to see what works and what doesn't. And obviously we've all been very lucky as you say, as Calli said, you need luck to succeed in this field, but there are other things you can do that can increase your chances of success as well. So there's no guarantees, but there is ways I think that you can increase your chances. - What do you think you would be doing now, if you want to report if it never happened? - Man, to be honest with you though, I genuinely answering 100% honest, I'd still be trying. - Yeah. - I'd still be trying to make it with music. - Yeah, yeah. - I just don't think I would've given up because I don't know what else to do. See, that's the other thing, guys, you got to recognize that it's a gamble, so you better like it. You better really, really love it. So that even if you don't quote unquote, pop off or succeed, you love like every second of doing it, I think is the most important. Back when I first came on the podcast, I feel like I didn't fully grasp it yet. I was so kind of like, whoa, I'm suddenly doing really well, way better than I've ever been in my life. This is because I worked hard, I just worked so hard. - I remember you coming on and you were so like bright-eyed and it just like so optimistic. (all laughing) - Now you're damn inside. (all laughing) - I mean, that's why I had to like step back for a minute though, and correct myself and say, I was a little conceited back then. Wasn't fully aware of what I was doing, but of course, once you change your stance on something on the internet, you're a hypocrite. So that's just kinda how it goes. - Yeah, there's no change. - When did like start to hit you of like, oh, this is what the life is like, oh? - Let me see. That's another really good question. You guys got some bangers today. - That's right, we're interrogating you. - I'm just genuinely curious. - Here's the grinding. Let me see. It must have been at the a million subscriber endurance stream. I think that was when it really hit me. Things are going to be extra different now on. Wow, that was when we were really popping off though. Like everyone was exploding every single day with new subs and new members and that was like the prime, and that was when it really hit me like, oh, wow, this is the craziest thing I've ever done in my existence. And I'm extremely lucky. - Yeah. - Wow, and that was kind of when I changed my stance on, oh, you just need to work hard to get far in life. I realized now that's a little conceited to say that it's not true, it's not real life. - Do you feel that mentioning that you said that there was like a big pop off on it and explosion, do you feel like the scene has changed a bit of the way the viewers interact changed over the year? 'Cause I feel like the peak of it is kind of all at the high peak at like the newness of it. It's kind of died down a little. - Yeah, I think it's okay to admit that it kind of died down a lot, actually. The market is really saturated right now. - Yeah, you don't say. - First time (laughing). - That is the truth. Tat is the plain truth of it all. There are a lot of people interested in VTubing. Now it has gotten really big. A lot of people have come in and also a lot of people have left. A lot of people have tried it out for several months and realized it's not for them all the power to them, good for them but that's just kind of like how it's gone. That's how it goes with anything. You realize you're into something, you stick with it. You realize it's not your thing, you drop out and that's cool. But that's why there's been a bit of like a wave, I think. And I think a lot of people have seen VTubers. They kind of know what they are, especially in like the anime sphere, I guess. And I feel like that's just how things go sometimes. The longevity of something, I hope that people continue doing this. I hope this keeps being something fun that everyone can enjoy. - I think VTube was going to be around for the future. 'Cause I feel like, yeah, we've had our popularity peak, especially in the English community and now it is much more saturated but I don't think it's like died down. I think it's more like it's just leveled off. - It's plateaud. - Plateaud, that was the word I was looking for. Thank you gentlemen. Did you learn that from Duolingo? (all laughing) - People are coming up with new ideas every day and amazing new technology some of these, ND VTubers with 3D that they're doing is like mind blowing. - [Connor] Absolutely. - And I think it's going to keep evolving in its own way. And I'm really excited to see that. - Do you ever feel like the pressure to have to keep up to like, keep relevant as the word, every YouTuber fucking loves? - Staying relevant. Oh man, I mean, I think that's a worry for everyone. And if they say it isn't then they're lying straight to your face. At least is a teeny tiny bit, just a little bit, especially when it's your job, you do worry about things like that. But I feel like my interest in numbers drastically waned after, like, I feel like, a lot of the core fan base came in and we still get new deadbeats all the time. Always very welcome and opening to them. But it's like, I stopped caring as much about the number situation when I started to genuinely enjoy streaming and making music, as me. - Yeah. - Right. Right. Is it ever like a frustrating because we kind of in the same thing, but we're all like our own unique kind of channel and whatnot. Is there ever like a frustrating thing 'cause you obviously all the Vtube has come in as one package, it's like, this is the generation. How do you make sure that there's not this kind of weird sense of competition amongst fellow VTubers? Cause you're all kind of the same thing. I mean, you're not the same, but you're the same target audience, right? Joey talks about manga anime and I might go and do something silly, gone so my fate, it's totally different audience, even though we all kind of in the same market, right? - [Garnt] Yeah, yeah. - With VTubing, I always wonder how do you like stop that from happening like a competition like that? - It's hard for me to speak on behalf of the entire VTuber community. - Yeah, yeah. - As much as I support and love, like the work of what Indies are doing, I don't have enough energy in my life to go socialize with many outside of holo, which I think is a shame and I wish I could, but it's kind of difficult to do. So I can really only speak about what I've seen within holo, but I just feel like somehow there was some kind of magic involved in the selection process where they chose people that we just don't really get extra jealous of each other. I mean, at least this is me saying, from my perspective, I don't know what's going through the other side. (all laughing) I can't speak on their behalf, but I can say for me genuinely, the people that they chose, I look at them and I just want to see them succeed. And I feel like part of me is questioning like, well, shouldn't you be wanting to be better than X and so-and-so, but I just can't parse that feeling. I just don't feel it, that is the truth. I mean, of course there's me wanting to be my best, but I guess here's a good example I can give you from my past. My first really, really close friend ever was a friend that I met in middle school, who was the new kid. She moved to my city. I had no friends in that school. It was not great, but this new kid came and she was drawing, she had how to draw manga book. - Hell yeah. - And I had been trying to figure out like, what is that art style called? Because I didn't know where to search for it. I was young, I had no idea. And so she explained it to me. She opened up the whole world to me and she let me borrow it. And that was when I started drawing. And I came to school the next day and people were like, wow, you can draw really well, you both are really good. Some people were saying, Calli, you're maybe a little better. And I was like, no, that's not true. But that was the feeling that I got of, I can do something, and be good at it. And people are looking at what I'm doing and then of course my friend was also like, oh, hell yeah, let's learn together. And we became friendly rivals in that, like, we were always kind of working alongside each other drawing. And like, maybe you show your friend a picture, you drew, Hey, this is my original character. Oh, cool, here's mine. And like, you're still friends, but there's this feeling of, I got to keep up with this person. And as I started being involved in more art communities, as I grew older and met friends on the internet, et cetera, we all were still cool and friends with each other, but seeing other's hard work made us want to keep up that kind of thing. So-and-so drew this wall. I want to try doing that. Let me see how I can do. So it's not like an outright feeling of jealousy, but it's a feeling of wanting to like, make yourself better to keep up, I guess. And it's like friendly competition, just- - That's good, it sounds very healthy. - Yeah. That's how it was for me, personally. So no bad feelings. - That's a very good answer. (Garnt and Mori laughs) - That was most wholesome answer to all. - [Garnt] Yeah, yeah. - I was like, waiting for the blood to be spilled. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. - And then I'd stabbed her with the pan. (all laughing) - [Mori] That's a habit- - Who's going now? (all laughing) - And a close group of friends that kind of like healthy competition can form, I think instead of like a wide group of people competing together, like a death game, for example, death games on the mind, sorry guys. - I was going to say back when the death games. - But if it's like a small group of friends, it's really easy to foster, like a healthy competition. - Yeah, yeah. - I think it's that whole mentality that a lot of people still struggle to understand of like, if one person succeeds, then the rest can also come up. It's kind of mentality. And I feel that like at least only YouTubers and stuff like that, and probably, in the VTuber community as well, where it's like, if one VTuber succeeds, then everyone in that same genre can also kind of rise up together as a community. And I feel, especially like a lot of the smaller creators still don't quite understand that yet, I think in my eyes like where it's like, no, I need to be better than this person. - Normally the biggest channel that I needed genre is an indication of the size. - The cap of the- - It's normally a good way. So if someone at the top is blowing up, that's normally a good thing. - [Garnt] Yeah exactly. - It's a trickle down. - Like I wouldn't have come back to YouTube if I didn't see Joey blowing up 'cause I thought when I quit YouTube, I'd like reach the ceiling. - I need my crown back. (all laughing) I was the Guinea pig. It's a metaphor. - 'Cause I was just like, I thought that I had reached the ceiling of anime content on YouTube and at the time I had, because anime just wasn't as popular. So I'm just like- - And then I was like Arrow boy. (all laughing) - I completed YouTube. (all laughing) - I came back for YouTube too (laughing). - The "Sequel" (laughing), long awaited "Sequel." You were saying, Calli? - No, you're good, you're good. I was thinking like personally, I think the most healthy way to like compete in general though, isn't to think about who you're going to go past, but beating the you of yesterday. So inspirational hashtag. - Yeah, yeah. - Pony tail. - [Connor] Just inspiration things. - - [Joey] Hash tag, motivated. - Sounds like I've seen now "Baki." (all laughing) - You're only as good as how many times you've had sex. That's a "Baki." (all laughing) - That's right. But I mean, if you think about it though, there is some truth to it. As long as you are doing better than your past self, as long as I'm doing better than past me, I feel good. - Yeah. - Yeah. I mean, it's very easy to compare yourself to others and then hold yourself to some standards. You don't want to be the gig of chat, but we count. - Yeah, would you have any advice to up-and-coming VTubers? Now they've had like a year of experience. - You're the senpai right now. - You're the senpai right now. - Let's see, maybe I'll pass along some advice that my senpai had given to me, never stop doing new things, keep trying new stuff and that's the only way to be, I think, is to keep pushing the boundaries and see what kind of wonderful stuff can come from this. I think that's my advice to you guys, just passing on what I've been told. - Oh yeah. I mean, I'd say that's good advice for like any content creators, VTuber or nodes. (screen whooshing) Do you feel sometimes that you would have an easier time being like, say an indie VTuber, without having to like worry about management and things like that? - That's right. Well, the way that I kind of view it is yeah there are restrictions and for the most part, I get why they're in place. Right here, right now with me as I am, I'm happy to kind of like work around things. For example, there are games that I can always stream and I can't do it at all actually. And that's fine. A lot of them are ones that I like a lot, but at the end of the day, like I said, I've been trying to be more positive recently. So the way that I think about it is, you know what? Out of this list, I will choose the ones that I like and I will have fun with them. And I think that's the best way to go about it because you know, life is long, for the most part- - Password? (laughing). - Because of me, it's not as long as it could be. However, do a lot of things in your life and your existence. One life ends, one begins, et cetera that's how it was for me a long time ago. So you never know what the future will hold. But right now with me as I am, just the Mori in front of you, I can find workarounds and ways to still have fun with the restrictions that are in place. And I think that that's kind of the attitude to have, if you're going to go into this and join a big company, like hololive. You kind of work with it- - Is it something you were expecting the restrictions or was this kind of a shock? - I think in the beginning I thought that it would be a bit different. However, I don't think, like I mentioned before, none of us knew how big this was going to be. - Yeah. - And when that happens, things kind of change a bit. - Right, when there's more money involved. - [Mori] Yeah. - More people get involved. - Imagine, just imagine. - To have a capitalism. - Business folks, man. (all laughing) - Things go rough. - [Connor] When stuff blows up, everyone wants to take credit for it. - That's how things are shawty. (all laughing) - We live in a society. - We (chuckles)- - Are trying to keep this politics free. Thank you very much. - [Connor] Society. - Yeah, society. - Just try and stay positive. - What are some of the top ideas that you would want to do if like, you have no restrictions at all? - Oh man, it's mostly games to be honest, that I think about collabs that I'd want to do with people that just can't realistically happen. And it's like, there's not just like protest from my side, either from management, but also from people who watch me and like, I pay attention to that kind of stuff. They don't let it completely influence me, but like I do look at it and try to, factor in as much as I can see, this is why I have like no energy, because there's so much going on in my brain and I love you so much. - So you pay attention to what games the chat wants you to play? - I do, but that's because I genuinely want everyone to have a good time. And if I see the same thing happen over and over again, it gets in my mind. But again, it goes back to the point where I said, every single nice thing that said to you, that's a critique is not necessarily going to help you or be helpful to you. So I just try to keep that in mind and stay open-minded the whole time. But it's mostly just games and collabs that I wish I could do that I kind of realistically can't, but it doesn't mean that they'll never, ever happen ever in the history of ever it's just not like this. - Yeah. - And I think that's fine, personally. - Thank you for letting Calli come back on Trash Taste. Thank you very much. - Happy to be here. - [Connor] Appreciated. - So many things on Trash Taste. And I certainly am happy to be a guest here. - Yeah. - Yeah, thank you so much. - Speaking of future though, what's in the future of Calli, recently? - There's a lot of ideas that I have, especially in terms of original song a month, that's still a thing that's happening. I've got a big, big collab song coming out with a fellow member of EN, I think I've talked about this. I don't know how much of this will be teased by the time that this comes out, but I hope you guys are looking forward to it, it is huge. And we're working with a huge producer, like the likes of which I never thought I'd be able to work with, so. - Dj Khaleed. (all laughing) - Could you imagine? - A guy who wrote the Pokemon Rap? (all laughing) - Damn, very met, Calli (laughing). - I'm very excited to see you. - Yeah, I hope that you guys will enjoy it. We've been working really hard on it and yeah, in general, I'm just trying to prepare for another big release someday. And also in my crystal ball, we've got a possibility I'd really like to do a world tour someday. - [Both] Ooh! - That would be hype. - [Joey] Yeah, that would be hard. - I mean, definitely at some point while I'm doing this, hopefully we will get a world to our fingers crossed. - The board needs to open up first before we can have a well tour. But I said the world- - The world can't heal until Calli goes to every country, that's not possible. (all laughing) - Also the grim Reaper has to heal you. - The healing has not been done yet, God, it hasn't happened. - That's real to me. Aside from that though, in the more immediate future, we have our anime NYC, happening on November 20th, that's when we have a booth day. - Joey chat a yeah. - [All] Yeah! - That's it. We have a booth happening. - It's nice to see you that's a whiteboard being used for something other than like saying incest. (all laughing) - Actual information. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, well, at anime NYC, we have a booth, a holo booth but at that same place, we have a collab popping off. I'm sure you guys have seen by now. Oh, with OMOCAT who is designing clothes for all of us in holoEN Myth right now and so that is extremely exciting 'cause I've been a big fan of OMOCAT for years and years and years, it's like a dream collab. - OMOCAT is like OGs. - [Mori] Yeah. - Oh Yeah. - Really amazing, amazing work. And I'm also the creator of Aomori, I played that game on stream. It was a long stream. - Yeah, okay. - One of my favorite endurance streams of all times. So yeah, I'm just really glad that we got to work with all of them and yeah, it's just really cool. I'm excited for you guys to see the clothes, they're awesome. Please buy them, please wear them and go check out the booth. - Yeah, it sounds like you've got a lot of exciting things coming up. - Yeah, there's a lot going on. - Stacked schedule, TM. - Yeah, right (laughing). - Even now, there's still a lot of fun stuff going on, which is a relief that after a year it's not like things are slowing down or anything. No, we've still got a lot going on. And you guys haven't seen everything that Myth or even EN has cooked up just yet, so stay tuned. - I have a feeling you'll continue to be very busy. - Yeah, it just seems like it's speeding up. - I was just like, maybe you'll find some free time coming up. Oh, the world's opening back, oh, fuck me, oh man (laughing). - Rip six hours. - Rip six hours (laughing). It's like, where do I find slime? Well, sleep, it's only like six hours. - Can I work while I sleep? (all laughing) I got to figure that out. - That's why you were talking in your sleep before planning your next moves. - It's like planning my next sleep. - Why am I screaming in my sleep? (Joey laughing) What's going on, man? - I guess before we end things off, I do have a question for you 'cause you didn't give me a shit about pizza gross last time. - I did. - So I got to ask, boneless chicken or in-bone chicken? - Boneless. (Joey screams) - That's what I'm talking about. - I'm done guys, thanks for coming to this episode of Trash Taste. - It's just the most obvious. - I would shake your hand, but we're on a different virtual plane. - Exactly, I am in another dimension. So it's kind of rough, but- - Congratulations. - Virtual high five for that one. - Gone is now the fourth member of Trash Taste. Garnt is now the fo member of Trash Taste. - I'm going to ask this every time a guest comes on, I'm going to find one fucking person who is on my side. - Tell me why boneless is better than bone? - Oh, boneless wides better than bone and cause bones are annoying. - [Connor] Exactly. - I mean, I don't want to eat around the bone- - It's worth the taste, it's worth the taste. - You eat all the bone and you starting to see all the little veins and like dark spots pop out, it's nasty. I don't want to eat the chicken anymore. - I think you just stop asking that question unless you want to get owned every other time. - No, I'm going to find a fellow brother or sister. Someone is going to come here and back me up. (all laughing) One day you know who you are. You're out there right now. I'm waiting, I'm waiting for that time. - POV, your client. - You're going to need this. You need this (laughing). - [Joey] My God. - I'm no longer a VTuber fan now. (all laughing) - Wait a minute, hold on, no. - Friendship of VTuber, over. (all laughing) Bone chicken is my best friend. (all laughing) - Oh my God. - Go and eat your savage. - [Mori] I can't eat bone and- - I can't, I just don't want to, I'd prefer boneless 'cause I'm not an animal. - Don't mean you can eat bone and it's not that much of an effort. - If I got like 50 wet wipes on hand yeah, we can talk about doing it, but I don't want it. - Let's let's not start this. - Well, thanks for joining us. - Add another hour of the podcast. Of course, I'm always happy to come hang out with you guys. And it's been a blast, thank you. - Thank you very much for coming back on. - Yeah, of course, any time. - Of course we shouldn't tell you this, but a link in the description below to go and check out Calli and all the stuff you guys already know. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, coming out, you'll like. - We're premiering this episode again- - We get in the super chats already. - We're getting to super chats. - I completely forgot about that. - [Connor] Yeah, I guess we're familiar. - I thought you're super chest right now (laughing). - This is the last chance. - Last chance because the patrons are here now. (all laughing) That's where the episode ends. - [Mori] Oh, God. - Don't throw super chats, but hey, if you enjoyed this show- - You gonna say, don't do it. - Yet, no. - Don't give this manga, don't give this money. - Don't give us the money. - Now my least favorite color is red, so don't. (Garnt and Mori laughs) I don't wanna see at all. - Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate it. But there is a common theme even when I'm in other streams, the more that they say no, don't, the more that people get real rambunctious and see it as a challenge. - Yes please, I hate it. - Is that a VTuber life hacker, I just heard right there? (chuckles). - I can't stand colors. Just say no, just say no. - I hate money. - But if you like to support the show then make sure to go- - Don't donate to our Patreon. Don't don't go to our Patreon. Look at these guys, look at this Patreon she don't want to be one of these people, okay? Especially this guy, don't be that guy. - This one is a law supporter, but come on. - I thought it was our super chat. (all laughing) - [Mori] Oh, my God. (all laughing) - Can I see his name right here on the super chat? No. - I'm sorry, we're terrible people, I'm sorry. We didn't have the show. - Yeah, but if you would like to support the show then make show to go to our page on patreon.com/trashtaste also follow us on Twitter. Send us your memes on the sub cyber and if you had our face, listen to us on Spotify and yeah, thanks for coming on, Calli. - Of course, anytime, thanks for having me. - It's been great just seeing you grow in the last year. - Thank you. - It's been awesome seeing you just like fucking become really confident as a streamer and just a content creator in general. And now I feel like I remember the first you coming on, it did feel like yeah, you were very bright-eyed, you were very optimistic. And now I feel like we have a lot more in common (laughing). - That's a little real with you. Really realistic. - I could tell the exact moment when you stopped giving a fuck about what people thought and just enjoy doing your own thing. - That's a good vibe, it's a good sign. - It's like a rite of passage as a content creator. - I suppose. - So join us, you've made it, join us. - Well, the same could be said for you guys. You guys have definitely popped off as well. This new place is amazing. - Oh yeah (laughing). - Thank you for inviting me too. - I'm glad you didn't have to go over the trip hazard this time. - All right. - You actually got to sit in the guest seat this time. - [Joey] Yeah, exactly. - Not like this corner, which was- - Technology is evolving. - Yeah, yeah, exactly we've also evolved for the time, but yeah, that's been this episode of Trash Taste. I hope you enjoyed the episode. See you guys next week. - I guess we should say peace, right? - Yeah, we've got to say peace, super loud. All right, ready? Three, two, one, - [All] Peace! - So, bye-bye! (bright upbeat music)

Channel: Trash Taste

Views: 2,028,441

Keywords: TrashTaste, Trash, Trash Taste, Taste, Trash Taste Podcast, Anime, Manga, CDawgVA, Gigguk, TheAnimeMan, Joey, Connor, Garnt, Podcast

Id: h5QspNrKphM

Length: 136min 0sec (8160 seconds)

Published: Fri Nov 12 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/itsmeivan21]

Lol is Calli gonna be the next Chris of the podcast? She needs two more episode so that she can beat Chris.

[u/ariolander]

LOL @ J-chad off-camera using the whiteboard to remind Cali about upcoming events vs the one other time it was used: "Incest", no explanation.

[u/dcresistance]

an INSANE amount of stuff has happened since the first episode (a year ago holy shit) and since it was recorded (mid-october), so it'll be a super fun update!

the topics are great too from the timestamped description. coming up with stream ideas, how calli learned streaming, JUMP KING, working on the go, adam sandler, her life in the year since the last ep, her future plans, etc

[u/KazBeoulve]

This is going to have a way more confident Calli interacting with the boys.

Also, Connor is more knowleageable about Vtubers now.

I predict this to be a way better episode than the first one by a landslide.

Edit: a word

[u/ogbajoj]

I love the joke that these are the only episodes they do premieres (with superchats) for. At least, I consider it them maing a joke that they open supers for the episodes with vtuber.

[u/legwkio2]

with this and Dad's Jump King DLC stream, seems like I'll be listening to podcasts the whole day today huh.

[u/Char-11]

>This is the closest I'll ever get to seeing my dad again so let's get it

Youtube comment just described every deadbeat in one sentence

[u/kokeymagie]

Can Cali win best drip for next year's awardw?

[u/ShokBox]

Correction: video premieres in 3 hours (it starts at 8 PM GMT).