How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her - Pokimane | TRO

hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the right opinion the home of a [ __ ] were too much free time now though we cover some drama that's a bit more recent because oh my do we adore the drama now I've covered twitch streamers before and I'll cover twitch streamers again because they are an interesting set of people and in spite of fact that many of them are collectivized into a category by commentators they are all at least somewhat distinguished in what they do in a video last year I carve it's a burger someone whose rise to meteoric stardom was paired with an equally catastrophic fall she was an absolute magnet of drama and while the more sexually suggestive characters out of that legion at the same time she was her own individual she was banned off twitch I mainly gained infamy for antics on YouTube and the subsequent drama that yield it on the other hand we have female streamers who may well be considered attractive by their audience I mean who doesn't want to look their best on camera but at the same time doesn't necessarily seek to exploit that and this is where we reach pokeyman pokeyman is someone who is established on both YouTube and twitch with over 2 and a half million subscribers / followers on each platform that's something which obviously cannot be ignored he does some gaming she does some reaction based videos but o rule as people go she's not an individual who has received exceptional controversy this is fairly typical for most John Roos with a fairly undemanding audience much less demanding than the ones who watch critical commentators like myself most commentators also tend to have a list of people who are controversial and easy to make videos on this is a rotating list of people including Bryce gums the pools morgues ksi edgy so maybe some of the beauty community now maybe throwing Emma Chamberlin - maybe you like making thought pieces on who the next Content cop is gonna be on or even if there will be a new content copper tool what this means is that although people will be doing shady or at least debatable actions if people aren't focusing on them then it'll probably pass under the radar and a lot of craters including the person we're going to discuss today have been sheltered from that sort of environment until now however as spoken in the past the alienation of drama can often mean that when it eventually does confront one of these people it means they way out of their depth with no idea of how to actually handle it generally this is meant that in the history of dreamers versus commentators the twitch streamers tend to lose looking back to pyrocynical versus Zooey burger PewDiePie versus a Lindsay and yes in both of those situations for example it's fairly reasonable to argue that you could side with pyrocynical and PewDiePie in those situations regardless of outcome but as much as the circumstance does comprise the drama the handling and the presentation are equally important another real problem is how a load this drama can often be perceived expose videos have been monopolized recently by the commentary genre and so attempting to make any sort of response to them is the equivalent of going to play in a way match your entering someone else's stadium and you'll be attracting their audience even if you're responding on your own channel why are the problems with a lot of drama is that it always feels like an ass versus them situation you really are expected to side with one of the people involved but sometimes there is a clear moral high-ground when it comes to these claims but often when there isn't we have to look a bit more closer than many people choose to the thing about drama is that whatever it yields it can be assumed and some sort of moral standard even though we often forget about the conclusions we make and just contradict ourselves in the future I'm a man who does enjoy some consistency some because whatever disputes occur do have reputational legacies and it's important that we're holding people to account but not unfairly singling them out because of some subconscious bias so let's talk about today's situation on the 28th of December a very small youtuber by the name of fainted released a video called the dark side pokey main in which he alleged that while the public's back was turned pokey main had done some pretty shady stuff I'll be breaking down the details in a moment but like some of the most infamous streamers in the past some of the main claims were on the notion of copyright striking or as many people now like to call it copy striking firstly in the incident of a series of uploaded Twitter clips on a few between her and keemstar and secondly on a child that reuploaded stream clips of her known as dam set these are both fairly separate situations but fell under the umbrella of criticism that pokey main was facing down when he uploaded a video fainted had a few hundred subscribers but the video blew up and he's in a quite different position it's safe to say everyone lumps a good old success story on top of his paints his video contain multiple allegations of hypocrisy particularly imply through the situation in which pokeyman criticized keemstar for allegedly bullying a fan promoting a principle that many claims was contradicted by her behavior towards the subjects of faint his video then a couple weeks later on the 11th of January PewDiePie uploaded a video with the classic title stop doing this in which you requested a host of youtubers to well stop doing this this being the unwarranted copyright striking of other videos that seemingly didn't deserve them in this list was the lady herself pokey main and the fact that she had allegedly struck down the Twitter feud which as pointed out by PewDiePie had been picked up by the algorithms and were being publicized and pokey men probably wanted to keep it out of the public eye however this caused a classic Streisand effect and now has the platform's largest youtuber covering it well we'll see how he's doing it's T series by the time this video comes out so clearly with a lot of allegations staring herself down pokey main decide to make her response video in which she addressed some of the claims made against her she admits some of her transgressions but also decides to hold her ground on some points particularly this situation regarding damn sev which is an interesting one she also responds directly to both PewDiePie and feted including clips of their videos which of course provokes an additional response from fainted which was mainly rebutting pokey mayor's response and some of the points that she made kind of concluding the pokemons response was insufficient in the scope of actually responding and more just a way to dodge and reframe a lot of what's going on but is that the case because honestly watching through fainted initial video I wasn't really won over I thought it was a bit weak by cos II want other people who were won over equally I don't think that any of the conclusions necessarily that I've observed make pokey main a bad person per se but I still think she's made a huge mistake and when your ratings are going badly there's always a reason so today I don't want this to be an exposed video it's not but more a guide on why people might turn against you in the face of ramaa and how someone who has probably never dealt with it before can take it on in the future because you know that's what we do here on the right opinion [Music] one of the most contentious issues on the platform is that of fair use we have some sort of vague Marga about the do's and don'ts when a situation that blurs the lines comes about it often throws the community into Kayle with no clear argument on what is actually right on top of this it is a really passionate topic people care a hell of a lot and if you're doing it unjustly you are gonna have an uphill battle defending yourself this is the first situation that comes about with pokey main because what happened as both testified by her and fainted is basically keemstar was on Twitter had an argument with some fans of another crater the colorful character SS knife wall before pokey main stepped into the fray to go toe-to-toe with Kim in a Twitter video battle but then a load of people contributed as well and the load of memes and a load of people who I'm not familiar with because I don't use this damn sight enough right there this [ __ ] organization is actually kind of awfully the shadows even you could tell you stacked up even of the angle [ __ ] sucks this [ __ ] wires is in place now after a discussion it was assumed to be over and many people continued with their lives however a compilation of this discussion was downloaded and re uploaded onto YouTube and it clearly caught people's attention and because it caught people's attention YouTube decided that it was going to blow the video up so suddenly this drama that pokey MAME probably regretted involving herself in the first place was blowing up all over YouTube and there was nothing she could do about it all so people thought because pokey main decided to have her company omnia media removed the video and deal acclaim on to the youtuber known as beau blacks now most people believe he received a strike straight away but actually this was a miscommunication and sowing that has been clarified recently through additional research however even with that said it did eventually turn into a strike due to the appeals and for anyone who doesn't know a copyright strike has a significant effect on the mobility of a channel even if it's only one it causes a fair bit of stress and takes a few months to expire so on one hand you are fainted and PewDiePie who caught up for doing this of course it's annoying when something like this blows out of proportion but such a response is rather uncalled for so in a way I can understand why you want to take down this video because this selected thing blows up and becomes even bigger thanks to YouTube system being kind of stupid at least I can somewhat understand the motivation of trying to take down that video but the problem here and the same problem that goes with every single example that I brought up in this video is that you're just drawing more attention to it it's the Streisand effect every single time pokeyman responds them saying that although she felt perfectly within legal right to remove the video she understands that it was a morally problematic decision to take although I was legally within my right to take down the video morally and as a content creator it wasn't something that I should have done because I mean at the end of the day those were tweets that me and keen made publicly and videos that we made publicly fainted then disputes this using his commentary credentials by citing at keemstar tweets you know I'm not even gonna bother giving my opinions on this we'll just leave that to the man himself keemstar poke you mean I think you're confused on what transformative means the video where they played both our Twitter vids was transformative because it's a college of multiple Clips there's case law on this it's not a direct upload like you stated you could get sued for false flagging this gave me the impression that he seemed to think that the video was fair use because it was in a compilation format and so I want to put this on hold for a moment because I noticed a problem in the reasoning firstly I think contrary to my friend's belief here that actually poke humane was completely in her quote legal rights to remove the video even though there is some sort of claim that this has been put to test in the courts I cannot find it and I highly doubt a compilation of clips would be considered fair use considering some of the other cases even if they're done in a way that shows a chronologically arranged discussion which could be considered part of the transformation dealing with values is incredibly complicated we know where the extremes lie we know that Chris stuntman's film reviews are almost certainly fair use and we know that reuploads of Coldplay songs are most likely not fair use but a lot of the content falls in between and therefore the only way to resolve this is through the courts either way fair use or not I find this whole debacle to be a bit of a non argument and if pokeyman was taken to court over this I think she'd win but here's the thing just because something is legally accepted doesn't mean we should accept it laws are typically based off some sort of moral foundations and therefore when pokeyman accepted the regardless of legality her move was morally dubious it should have technically invalidated her argument because generally we perceive ourselves on the basis of paralysis and therefore if she actively did something that she's aware was immoral then legality only exists as a technical defence to avoid being sued just because something's legal does not make it moral and therefore means we shouldn't necessarily accept it laws themselves exist for that reason for the betterment of society what we build the laws on we build those laws on principles laws are partly built tomorrow and we're always debating what should and should not be changed if you can't morally justify your actions than the fact that it's legal does not serve as a defense other than of course in courts but audiences are not jurors they're just people who have opinions thing is that although I'm generally against re-uploaded content I feel that these circumstances make the situation much more of an archiving of a conversation that occurred trying to meet what unfortunately happened and could have been archived any other way is where the issue lies and I don't think that was a reasonable action on her part and I think me and her can agree there now and this is one of the thing she uses this term in a way that I would call a passive defense basically she doesn't run the point as if it's counter to her position on the situation all the point she's trying to make she still concedes apologizes and admits she was wrong and fair play for that although I was legally within my right to take down the video morally and as a content creator it wasn't something that I should have done because I mean at the end of the day those were tweets that mean kiemce made publicly and videos that we made publicly so I totally apologize for that and I spoke to the guy who made those videos like a few weeks back and we had resolved all of this in diem however because she made the point fainted can extract it and run against it and as a passive defense her video really could have done without it a passive defense is only really utilized as they were torkoal device to demonstrate reasonability and I think that's what pokey was trying to do here the problem is when you're defending yourself a passive defense has to explain your mindset rather than necessarily justifying your ability to commit the action for example I say I'm sorry for shouting at our lady I was drunk and depressed but it was completely wrong with me rather than I'm sorry for shouting of that lady I was well within my rights to do it but it was completely wrong nonetheless because it's a moral issue the way of word the second explanation sounds like a scapegoat because it sounds like I've shifted part responsibility onto the legal system for allowing me to do it and that's where you have to be very careful on how it comes across I find pokey mains responds genuinely interesting because I think is one of the first ones that clearly have the correct base formula down corresponding something that you know is wrong it's important to admit your mistakes but at the same time try to make sure the audience can empathize with the mindset you're in and she does appear to attempt that and lay that structure down but she just pause the wrong points in there is a right way and a wrong way to justify yourself and this tends to Lee in the wrong way this is a problem particularly evident throughout pokey mains response the emphasis of our points do not reflect the points that are of interest to the audience everything that might be relevant seems rather brushed over I don't think it's her intent but it can come across as rather dismissive equally I don't think it's her intent to necessarily miss Rome the claims being made against her but some people were saying that I pulled up his like personal Instagram and made fun of him or something what she does is honestly pretty evil he finds stuff saves personal Instagram page and then just laughing at pictures of him he had his Instagram linked in the description of the videos that he was posting so it was not like a personal or private Instagram I didn't attack the way that he looked and obviously he was watching my stream while he was on the call with me and he saw that I was looking at his Instagram he said do you like what you see showing off like yeah I don't like people trying to make it seem like I would go to someone's Instagram with fail intent just to like bash on them hell in a minute what kind of cutting was that bro she just completely cut up my point though he finds stuff Sam's personal Instagram age and then just laughing at pictures of it let me show you what it actually looked like and then you can probably guess what pokey paintin include that in her video but he finds stuff sells personal Instagram page and literally starts looking for a laughing at it in front of thousands of viewers premier is that she's gone into it like a lot of public figures they come from a genre where optics and wording don't seem like a big deal and suddenly making vague statements is fairly easy for a commentator like fainted who I don't even rate as an argumentation experts you have to be specific you have to be clear with what you mean and you cannot miss rain the situation to be disproportionately sympathetic to your case or disproportionately harsh against another person because there is nobody who will pick that up like the commentators I think this is a really important learning experience that we should definitely take forward going into the second situation thing about the damn safe situation is that if pokey main had approached it correctly then she could have been in the clip this is the real pivotal situation that galvanized a lordly drama and to completely apprehend how to respond she kind of had to understand exactly what people's objections were to the original scenario and once again fainted on one hand had a much harder sell DAF Seb was clearly an annoying [ __ ] and frankly people are not inclined to side with someone they may perceive as an annoying [ __ ] and we do so much here do you make youtube videos or do you reapply other people's content I still contact and they're like its own [ __ ] and like put credits and I'm like oh my god dude please subscribe the thing fainted very smartly did was not side with Daffy so by not necessarily defending to have self he knew that if pokey main decided to try and couple him to have sev in any sort of way then he could object and point out the floor in her argument because pokey main didn't pay close enough attention to respond meticulously she makes some very vague claims and thus suffers because of them even though with better wording she could have really put it to bed but this point in the discussion I think everybody can agree that pokey meters in the right hip because of course if this guy's proud of the fact that he's uploading clickbait videos it kind of tells us a lot about his character so if the video he's uploaded consists of literally just a stream clip nabbed from her live stream than in that case I think she 100% as the right to take that on the video but because once again she focuses on one issue which she doesn't really respond to properly she first cants faintest clip up in a way that changes the message now whether she want to do that if proficiency or not is beside the point it came across as twisting information equally it's really important to not be distracted by the general representation of the points painted maybe a smaller youtuber but right now he is the one with the moment some and therefore if you want to respond to him you have to make sure his arguments are being communicated properly and that equally you make sure there's no confusion for example this earlier clip and people have been using clips from that live stream to try to make it look like I randomly take down videos whenever I want or I do that commonly when it's definitely not the case right so now daddy faint it's getting cool down I'm pretty sure in my video never mentioned anything about her frequently taking down videos my video is focused on your hypocrisy now as noted fainted lays claim that this clip is about him but pokey never actively says it is and there's fair evidence to assume that from other youtubers this narrative isn't rare so it's very possible that pokey caught other videos or comments from people but because she put it in a title that she's responding to the dark side of pokey main it implies that this is a narrative that is local to his video even though it's not it is actually a general narrative that is somewhat existent in other youtubers who have made videos and got decent views pokeyman recently still be going around doing a lot of scummy things pretty much she's striking out a bunch of smaller creators she's making people cried if I to 20,000 people right on stream and she's honestly just you know I thought I want to put it out there that I never knowingly take down a video that is transformative content I would not take down videos that people have spent time like reading commentary for and editing [Music] videos that I'm in that are positive or negative that I don't take down now I say this because she uses the phrase people faint it is not people fainted as a person as far as I know and I think we can deduce here that once again she's trying to address a different narrative being pushed by certain youtubers the problem is when you put someone's video title in your title it sounds like you're addressing them fainted had no real right to lay claim to that comment other than that fact it would have been narcissistic to assume that his video was the only one that promoted a narrative like that equally by dressing some narratives and overlooking others it just seems like she's dancing around certain points and honestly she didn't really need to address fainted at all especially when she only brings up the situation about how it's being framed and one of the biggest problems is when you bring up the question of optics and not just the direct situation it becomes very very sketchy the only thing that she actively goes out of her way to address fainted on is the Instagram situation and once again if you can explain why you did this barely enough easy picking you pissed off that someone is taking your content being an irritating bastard and so to elicit your perception of justice against this Dave sev Trant you think that he deserves to get the piss taken a swim and so you go hang all your dirty laundry on the stream and you admit that you went a bit too far and you know what that's pretty much what she said and probably why fainted doesn't bother addressing that part because a majority of it is fairly agreeable the point of this is just the same that was an entirely different scenario in situation where I was well within my right to take down his content but also in that moment and on that live stream like I shouldn't have had that conversation on stream and it definitely was a moment of frustration that shouldn't have been like publicized in that way for sure but then she ends up at this point he had his Instagram linked in the description of the videos that he was posting so it was not like a personal or private Instagram I didn't attack the way that he looked and obviously he was watching my stream while he was on the call with me and he saw that I was looking at his Instagram he said do you like what you see and once again we end up in a situation over house song was allowed to do something the notion that she found his personal Instagram page because it was linked in the description and honestly once again her point is not wrong she can do what she wants the fact that Dave sev is a youtuber and adult putting content on a public platform and therefore any links he posts as public may be picked up by anyone but it sounds like pokey Maine interpreted the point against her as if she was daxing someone rather than actually necessary the point that fainted was trying to make okay so this is the one part of the video that does kind of trigger me a little bit so in Pookie means logic just because Dave sev had his Instagram linked on one of his twitch compilations that gives her the right to display his Instagram in front of thousands of people on her twitch stream someone who she openly dislikes and Ashley states earlier on in the stream is what is wrong with this world so you know clearly giving off some great vibes towards this guy and encouraging her fans to send them lots of positive comments right if people who don't like him want to take the piss out of him they can go for it I mean hell that's what people like leave he did for a career and they went after much more vulnerable targets the point that fainted was making was that it was rather distasteful to go out of your way to make fun of someone and exposed them to that heat especially when you have that power to really cause some potential harassment against them once again something that you've already admitted with a fairly heated gala moment you're then arguing on the technicality the one that really wasn't being argued in the first place honestly if po he had just turned around said yet P got way deserved she may have come out looking better and the only reason she can't really say that is because the argument she had with keemstar where she took that moral position against bullying and yes you can see the parallels between the situation's and if she really wanted to work out how to make a proper response in that instance she would have had to worked out how to correctly express the distinction between that situation and this one and that is the only way you can respond to something like hypocrisy I think pokey genuinely wanted to try and have an open discussion but the main point that she continually made was that I shouldn't have done that but it was in my rights too which is not a good argument you have to just say honestly I was pissed off because it's okay to be pissed off we're all human we get annoyed if some was me upload my uploads I'd be annoyed too because in many ways that's what you seem to express pokey I'm making somewhat relevant points the meant to serve as a defense actually tend to serve as a distraction from what could have been a genuinely decent response video [Music] [Applause] this whole situation is a classic example of why commentators even if their arguments aren't the most watertight at first seem to keep winning these confrontations with youtubers from other genres I actually don't think many of faint his arguments were on closer inspection that's strong and if we wanted to pull up one example we can put up the clickbait one I'm not sure you guys are gonna like this what do I say to make him realize that it's an [ __ ] thing to falsely clickbait someone else okay so basically pokeyman just cannot stand on her two feet and say that she is against clickbait content on youtube she essentially collapsed with a youtuber who goes by the name of shotgun plays but realistically he should be called I sound like a meeting a chicken legend every time I speak and the reason this is a problem is because by playing with this dude she essentially was supporting his content and 90% of the stuff that he uploads is straight-up misleading clickbait so I don't really know what pokies doing playing with this dude honestly by supporting this guy's videos it just means that she can't go off her weights suggest someone else making clickbait content isn't cool because girl I'm sorry but you've supported probably the biggest fortnight clickbait youtuber firstly pokey main in her original situation says it's an [ __ ] thing to do to clickbait quote someone else check what do I say to make him realize that it's an [ __ ] thing to falsely clickbait someone else click mating fortnight is not necessarily comparable and even if pokey made didn't express that point in the best way we can see why she takes issue with someone using another person's Arts in the thumbnail and not necessarily taking issue with people click baiting fortnight oh my god you put somebody else's bite on a thingy of meat like there is a clear difference there a clear moral dissonance now that's just one argument and the point of this video is not to go through every single point of paint its videos and I agree with some when disagree with others I'm going to leave the direct wants to my good friend BWC check his video outs there are points that could have been made on pokémons behalf but they slipped through the cracks because she clearly lacked the expertise to deal with the drama many because once again pokey main honestly wasn't specific enough with the point she was making an optimum way but or what she was trying to say on one hand she must have cared enough to think about what points she was trying to respond to but didn't seem to care enough to specify or provide further evidence which is a standard that a lot of commentary audiences are ravenous for when I make my videos I'm consistently returning to drunks of my videos and telling myself to use more clips use more evidence it's a demand as onra you have to pay attention to the surrounding culture audiences on concept tend to have a bit of a bad taste regarding to extremists due to previous instance and then you have this commentator fainted who is the underdog and therefore many neutral viewers will like someone punching up and so if you make any comments that seem misrepresentative people will take that idea that this is the larger youtuber trying to shut down the smaller one because they're the ones with that perceived power one of the most common criticisms levied against larger youtubers is hypocrisy and the reason people do it because it's easy craters like pokey main will make statements day in and day out will forget in the day after comments will be made on whimsical sentiments so it's easy to find one or two situations that contradict themselves if you want to be a moral advocate in the community you need nuanced the prom with lack of nuance is that as said you end up creating stands that you yourself will inevitably fail to live up to especially if you use vague arguments to justify it if you fail to distinguish the morality of situations that may seem similar on the surface you will inevitably look like a hypocrite and people will point that out I do not think pokey Maine is a malicious person matter of fact I quite like her but it's clear through this situation she has revealed herself to be extremely naive even dangerously naive I mean when she admits she doesn't understand the copyright system on YouTube before I took it before was - you know I was suggesting : for what I was just thinking like maybe with the whole strike system I don't know if you're aware on YouTube it's pretty bad for a channel for them to get a proper copyright strike you can only get free and your channels deletes it so I was just thinking if you weren't happy with the Treaty and not a copy straight it can't be a copy strike you a huge huge influencer you have to look into the consequences for your actions might have after saying that you don't know what someone's going through on top of this as mentioned pokey main didn't actually strike but had omnia deliver a claim which turned into a strike when beau blacks appealed it once again this information makes pokey main seem much less malicious but if she'd have more investment in the situation she would have been able to find this out and then put this case forward for herself rather than necessarily having other people bring it forward so this is once again revealing of that naivety and consequences are a two-way street and with the dam safe situation he came into your stream span the chat with a load of [ __ ] scam links directly uploaded content the wasn't his had all his links public he must have had some awareness that his actions have consequences - he must have anticipated this as a 17 year old and frankly I find it extremely hard to sympathize with him it may not be the route that I would have taken in dealing with it but the framing of him as some kind of victim is one that has really made applicable due to pokey main significant clout and the fact that she doesn't know what he's going through words come back to haunt you and that's why the problems that seem apparent we've walked down this spiraling road of drama and pokey main is still stuck at square one and it seemed that with every live stream every discussion every time she made a point she just seemed to lose more and more credibility because she wants to accept some of the criticism but at the same time she still feels she has a case and I feel she doesn't away but unfortunately she would be constantly undone by some of the legitimate hypocrisy displayed due to lack of justification pokey MAME wants to play both teams but ends up playing neither because she wants to both submit to the points and yet counter them when she does try to justify herself they can feel like they're unnecessary one of the very weird techniques that I observed pokeyman partaken throughout the drama was this sort of response where she appeared to agree with the point being made against her for the same time she words in a way that makes it sound like she's rebutting it's a right example of this is here he sends a copyright strike right yes my suggestion was like I person think would have been a better idea how'd she dmg on Twitter and said yo Bo blacks would you mind taking down this video so then it means she can get what she wants obviously the video taking down and then you don't get a copyright strike to your channel just like some form of contact before initiate I totally get your point um I would like to say I think if I'm remembering correctly I mentioned this to Bo Black's Indians way later that I wasn't fully aware about the situation and how copy strikes affected someone's channel I was under the assumption that full-on strikes are what take down a channel once you get three and I thought that it was different to copy striking video than just strike an entire channel what we see here is basically pokey saying she was ignorant but wording it in a way as if that is a defense against the point that feinted made rather than just saying that as a multi million subscriber channels she probably shouldn't have been that ignorant in the first place which is the point that a lot of people were making and I'm not sure she's entirely aware she's doing it a lot of processes in our reasoning are rather subconscious but this sort of technique will always rub people the wrong way because of how it appears we see the point I'm making here on one hand you are fainted who in spite of the possible flaws of argumentation has presented points in an articulate systematic and firm way and on the other you have pokey Maine who whether there are points there or not fall through because she can't seem to compartmentalize criticism into specifics and ends up just spray firing her defenses and honestly the stream highlights that difference when you put these two people against each other the contrast is so vast and this is the power of critical commentary when you've done this for a while it just puts you in a different league a majority the reason the pokey man was called out on top of the copyright strike was her hypocrisy and to bring it back to my first point of the video I'm sure many of you guys won't be surprised to find out that it's fairly easy to point out hypocrisy it may have the twist dreamers pretty much anyone who doesn't spin an hour a day evaluating their morality it doesn't mean they're bad people it just means they're not always thinking about it and it's just a case of when they're put into that rotation many people from other genres just don't think about it and we commentators do and I don't think that's a bad thing there's nothing wrong with pushing for consistency but it is a difference and one that has to be accepted I don't dislike Pokemon because maybe we're like Jay Paul and rice gum have done terrible stuff and they've barely addresses at all and pokeyman tried to come forward and try to hit it and she was just out of a depth in trying to retrospectively explain a morality that she knows she probably didn't think too much about at the time but at the same time in her head she feels that she's a good person and I understand that but unfortunately that's just the way the cookie crumbles you see you can't justify what you already daemon just a fireball and you can't defend what you've already deemed to be indefensible and you can't rationalize what you've deemed to be irrational so to finish responding to commentators is risky business the reason I don't do these videos on people like Bryce camp is because they don't care about their reputation when they respond pokey main clearly does so I'll leave these points make sure your responses are tight make sure people know exactly what points you're addressing make sure you use evidence very clearly make sure you work out the concessions that they make and points that you might agree on such as the point that damn serve is annoying [ __ ] and then work out how you can use those agreements of premises to bring that person around to you're in the moment perspective even if complete agreement is not quite possible that is the summary of wisdom that I can leave you with today and I hope you can take something away from it if you are indeed watching so yeah that was the video once again very very impressive thank you guys for the support reason I would love to hear your comments on the situation below because it was quite an interesting one definitely wanted more split situations where a lot of it just came down to how you speak and I love those situations because it's really interesting how people's perspectives are actually much more shaped sometimes by house one presents their points rather than what points they and so I love investigating these I want to give a big shout-out to my editors who've done another fabulous job please go and check them out I'll leave their links in the pinned comments big shout out to patreon to all of you 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Length: 37min 44sec (2264 seconds)

Published: Tue Feb 19 2019