Half in the Bag Episode 131: IT (1990) and IT (2017)

half in the bag I can't stop pooping in my pants hello and welcome to half in the bag I'm J and I'm Mike and it's been a little while since our last episode the last film we discussed on half in the bag was Annabelle creation that's right Jane one of the bigger things brought up in that episode was the contest associated with the movie it was called my Annabel creation that's right Mike and since then there's been some major updates that's right they've announced the winner of the contest his name is Stephen King and he's from Maine and his idea was called it since then Warner Brothers has made a feature film from his submission and they've compensated him $100 congratulations Stephen on your spooky idea and Warner Brothers thanks you for your submission they specially loved the part where there's just lots of loud banging noises every time something scary supposed to be happening by the way whatever happened to David F Sandberg it seems he disappeared from existence once people started asking them about the sketchy content to DVDs it's 30 years later right on schedule the killings start up again 6 so far maybe more yeah take your pick Billy Boy something Bad's going to happen to one of us get out of Derry why you still can go back in this time I'm gonna kill it it's coming the thrilling division of Stephen King's it Tuesday night did not realize how beloved this TV who he was until the promotional material for the new ones started to come out the first trailer for the new it came out and it was like the most viewed trailer in one day in the history of YouTube or something like that so it's like like it is like a beloved property and there were a number of Stephen King TV movie adaptations made in the late 80s early 90s and every single one of them sucks including it and everybody has forgot all of the other ones Langille ears Tommyknockers the golden years but yeah I think the only reasons that one is kind of remembered fondly is because people kind of rh saw it when they were 10 11 12 years old and thought it was spooky and the only reason it holds up in anyone's mind is because of tim curry as penny wise so we're gonna talk about the TV movie first and it'll be hard not to dip back and forth and we'll probably talk a little bit about the book too I've been in the process of rereading the book I was hoping to have it done before the new movie came out but I think that's physically impossible because the book is this [ __ ] big there's actually no documentation of anyone ever finishing this book before they die I finished the book full disclosure I read the whole thing in high school in high school I did I did I read it when I was younger shortly after the TV movie I was too young to understand it and then yeah I've been in the process of rereading it in anticipation of the new movie it was a number of years after the movie came out but someone a friend of mine was reading it and he's like you should read this I was like oh yeah okay and I read it I don't remember anything about it other than what everybody else remembers from it spooky clown underage gangbang underage gangbang and just to get it out of the way right up front no that scene is not in the new movie [Music] let's get all this out of the way right off the bat for me it is a mixed bag it feels like 25 different ideas that aren't quite completed welcome to the world of Stephen King ya rights like any he's like a weird sex pervert rights like bizarre things and is some of his dialogues weird but then some things are brilliant and then some things aren't and they're weird and I'll shove this in there and he just like goes crazy on a typewriter and nobody stops him and their thesis at 7,000 page book and it's like here make some sense of this well it's unique amongst his books because he writes pretty quickly from what I understand whole like kind of kind of like a John Hughes type like John Hughes would write a feature-length screenplay in a weekend and it would be wonderful and Stephen King's kind of that same way or he's just like constantly writing things but he spent like four years on it this was like before the Dark Tower this was like his kind of Lord of the Rings or something so it's it's it's messy it's big it's the storytelling is all over the place not something you can make into a conventional feature film then the TV movie kind of tried and the new movie tried and we'll get into that as far as the the narrative structure of the new movie which is different than structure of the the original TV movie or the book and I'm assuming if you're watching this you probably saw the TV movie everybody's seen the TV movie if you haven't you probably not gonna get much out of it because it does not hold up the first half holds up at the TV movie since we're talking about that now the second half is a disaster it's it's an embarrassing disaster but the first part holds up and this new movie is just the kids yes at the end it says chapter one and that's some [ __ ] two rows behind me anyone I knew it I knew it they gotta do the adults they gotta do the adults oh yeah what the [ __ ] are you dense yeah we remember her dude we all saw the TV movie - you're not the only one do you think he thought that the movie was just gonna continue and was gonna be like six hours long yeah I don't know I think he thought he was the only one who was in the know about the part with the adults well that's like the people whatever you mentioned the book everybody is always like did you know there's a scene with an underage gangbang everybody likes to point that out is if they're the only one that knows about it yeah for those of you who haven't read the book can we elaborate on the underage gangbang when they're down in the in the in in the sewers at the end of the film or in the end of the book I think they all say they get lost and they say the only way we can find our way out is we all have to lose our virginity I have sex with Bev and then Babs like okay and then and then it's like it's like each one she is describing like how their penises felt there yeah she talks about how Big Ben is the fat kids it was in the detail that he doesn't even know if it'll fit in the the the key words are it goes into detail that's when I look at Stephen King and I could just see his face in a police mug shot for sex pervert what is this so and that's that as though that is the mark of genius in a way is that bordering on insanity sure well who else would think to put that in there so it is both entertaining and frustrating because it's it's like I said a mixed bag well the TV movie it's a fairly accurate adaptation of the book it's more notable for what is in the book is in the TV movie but there's just way more in the book that is not in the TV movie almost everything that's in the TV movie is literally what's in the book as far as the basic things that happen yeah but the book of course elaborates a lot more on all the backstory and the motivations and what's going through people's minds all the stuff that makes it interesting to read that's all gone from the TV movie and all you're left with is Harry Anderson making terrible jokes and lots and lots of bad acting by the adults oh yes things are painfully uncomfortable yes we have to talk about the why is it so mean scene with Annette O'Toole and the late great John Ritter why is it doing why is it so mean it's like something out of a shitty soap opera at least you felt something that's a mirror your hairs winter far why'd you say that you wrote it didn't you I was young I thought it was a bill but it was you was it dammit Bev is that you and there's that the clown well Stevie things dialog is often bad and kind of dated and weird yeah sometimes it sounds like something out of like the 50s or something which which works when you have these little kids that are actually in the 50s but when they're adults in the 80s it sounds weird true but then we come to the point of it and then it becomes sort of like little confusing has it has some similarities to Freddy Krueger name on Elm Street where there's like playing on your fears um it if you're scared of the Wolfman from the Wolfman movie which wasn't even million in the book and not in this version the wolf it'll it will appear as the wolf man well the original idea for the book his idea Stephen King his idea was to kind of make it like a Monster Mash like fill it with like I love the mummy and I love the wolf man and said kind of put them all in there everybody thinks of it as being about the clown but it takes on all these other forms he's very ineffective in the TV movie [Music] he's his whole existence is to eat children but he's just constantly letting them go you don't want to just youyou don't want to apply logic to to a story like this that's why I was singer named ran Elm Street when comparing it to this because Nightmare on Elm Street there is that there is that hard line between Freddy Krueger he can get you in your dreams but not when you're awake yes it it's sort of it sort of blurs that line I kind of get sometimes Freddy might try and kill you but you wake up just in time and then he can't get you yes here in the TV movie especially more so than even the book is like yeah Richie Tozier I'm the werewolf man and I got you and then I'm just gonna let you run away yeah he does that over and over in the TV movie and it is it appears as a clown or it appears as your worst fear - I guess lure children into eat it but why would it appear as something scary if it's gonna lure you in well it's kind of the opposite of the new movie and that he in the TV movie he lures you in as the clown and then he like turns into a creepy monster yeah and the T in the new movie he's usually a creepy monster first and then they look back and then he's the clown which is sort of weird the the it is his space alien apparently we don't know it's it's a cosmic entity there was you see there's this this cosmic space turtle that that vomits up our galaxy he's from the macro verse it's called and then the he's sort of the the the good figure and then it's comes from it's like the negative kind of counterbalance to that it's somehow crash-lands centuries ago it crashed lands in dairy and now this this evil force is stuck on earth in dairy so every 27 years it wakes up and feeds pretty [ __ ] weird stuff I think the co-author of the book is cocaine and these are things that were left out of both the TV movie and at least so far the the new movie I don't know what the second part will be but there's several references to Turtles there are they were talking about that part two of this book soap in Chapter two yeah so the idea is that the the losers the little kids that are all losers all form a little team they're stronger in a group and they're their strength together is what it ultimately defeats the it they momentarily until it comes back as they're adults that's the the bond and strength of their friendship that makes them strong and not scared anymore which is kind of like Freddy Krueger as well I take back every bit of energy I gave you you're nothing yeah the shock about the end of part 1 and part 1 is little kids and they they think there's there's the theme with the werewolf and they think Silver Bullet that's just stuff in movies what goods are gonna do it's over they can kill it it all makes sense coming from the mind of a child she hits in the head and it and it's dead lights come out and I have shrinks down into the it turns into a claymation Gumby man yes and goes down in the sewer so yeah that that then part two comes back and everybody just [ __ ] around for two hours and then they show up and they decide to go to a Chinese restaurant [Music] I get the idea behind it it's like hey we're gonna have to deal with this evil entity just for tonight we're all reunited let's let's have a good time but the I don't know the the balance or the the transition from one kind of tone to the other is completely absent yeah the first half of the TV movie feels like a nice 1980s horror movie with kids in it the second Jaime with monsters damned by me with monsters well executed well done some scary moments the second half feels like like a soap opera I feel the bond with the kids when they're kids yes but when they all come back it's like none of them can remember the it incident sort of they can but then they're all like all kissing Bev on the mouth like all of them even though they have significant others there was no underage gangbang and then in the TV movie right yeah and then and then it's like John Ritter is giving her like like a sensual neck massage with everybody just like staring at them yeah well the one guy's like taking his shoes off he's rubbing his feet and they're all just like lounging around I don't know if that's to be blamed on the direction like okay yeah how about you got you guys are just sitting around and you want to you're comfortable so John go over there and just just start massaging the shoulders and and start grabbing a knees squeezing your and then you're rubbing your feet and you're picking your nose over there and you know you're you to you you take off your shirt you're laying by the fireplace you decide to oil up you know it's like what the [ __ ] going on yeah and so it has this unintentional sexual energy thing happening in this and that that is another big thing with it is weird sex stuff because at one point Eddie right before they enter its domain which is an adorable high school playset little little styrofoam skulls at a cute little doorway it's a little more epic in this film in the new film but he decides to tell everyone that he's a virgin I mean I've never even in with anything Eddie what are you saying you're a virgin yeah well I can't help you with that pal but thanks for sharing and Harry Anderson cracks jokes his jokes are so bad and they're so ill-timed and awful but that's besides it's shocking to learn that they were mostly improvised get back to Night Court you hag so Eddie says I've never had sex before because I've only wanted to have sex with someone that I truly loved and the only people that I've truly loved are the three of you here now and I think he's proposing an orgy at the most inappropriate time and then they kick open the door and it becomes a terrible a terrible haunted house spider it looks terrible and I'm a fan of stop-motion but in the context of this it comes across terrible a little budget TV movie of the week stop-motion yes is not good stop-motion and this is something that happens in the book there is a giant spider in the context of a book though of course it's kind of left up to your own sort of mind tutor prett how it looks well it's not supposed to be literally a spider it's just the aliens true form right it's it's the thing has no form on earth it has no physical form and the spider is like the closest representation that our minds can comprehend gross and disgusting yeah it's very sort of like like love crafty and kind of left to your imagination type thing but in the TV movie it's just a big stupid looking rubber spider and then there they just say let's get it and they push it over and they rip its heart out and I mean that does literally happen in the book but all the kind of subtlety and motivation and an explanation of what this thing is is completely gone so all you're left with is Harry Anderson punching a rubber spider again it big long complex book with lots of things going on done in a 1990s TV movie budget and does not quite translate it they didn't even need that second half and that was a smart thing for this movie to do yeah don't tackle all that yeah well it's it's also the structure is different I mean there's a little bit of cutting back and forth in the first half we get scene after scene of someone picking up the phone and then awkward zoom in and then flashback the book is going back and forth between kids and adults they're pretty much the whole thing yeah so you've seen like them going into the sewers when they're adults and then they have these recovered memories of when they were kids going into the sewer almost unfilmable as far as structure goes as you know if you tried to do something true to the book so I think they were smart with the TV movie to do it the way they did but again you lose some stuff in translation and then this new movie just kind of functions as a standalone movie like you could not do this that can happen it still would work up here shop stuff up here you helped me once remember well we're back and now we're going to talk about the new it film we're gonna jump ahead 27 years 27 years which I should point out it's been 27 years between the TV movie and now this new adaptation of it which is kind of crazy that is madness and the timing is actually perfect I was thinking about this while watching this because we saw the movie in a theater that was crowded packed with people a weekday night oh my gosh I'm so used to seeing movies with with three other people scattered around and that's on a Saturday night and that's on Saturday night so this movie is gonna do real well financially it's getting good reviews and it's it's the perfect timing because it takes place in 1989 obviously so that the second chapter can take place in modern date the first one took place and the the kids part was in the 50s so in the 80s or so the early 90s whatever but so you have that retro 80s thing which is popular now with stranger things yes on the kid from stranger things even in this yeah kids riding around on their bicycles yeah it's sort of weird cuz like stranger things is sort of oh ma Jean it's and now we have it that feels like it's aping off of stranger things that's thing now I'm all for movies coming back to having kids on bikes going off and having adventures and you have films like Annabelle creation films with absolutely no plot just a series of scary things happening that you could put in a trailer that are mega successful yeah so it this new movie has a series of scary things happening with kind of story by golly it's gonna make it to a billion dollars it's a perfect time and everybody loves creepy clowns clowns all around well not people that are clowns professionally they're very upset about this movie it's kind of ironic that clowns are taking this so seriously I I thought this movie was okay J Alegre I'm very split on it it was kind of a frustrating movie as I've been rereading the book and it gets a lot of things right it changes some things which we can probably get into to make it work as kind of a conventionally sort of 3x structure movie all the stuff with the kids and the kids kind of bonding and forming a friendship and becoming the losers Club wonderful almost all these kids are fantastic and you really believe them as these these budding friends and all their performances are great and then the stupid horror movie gets in the way where every single scare moment is accompanied by a loud clang noise subtlety is not a word that's in the cinematic language of this film and there are certain moments that I think actually could have worked as like a creepy horror movie moments if it just did not have that loud obnoxious noise this is where you're supposed to be scared it parallels a lot with Annabelle creation because it's like what happens now I don't know they're running to the monster again and then it goes woo and then it goes away and so it became very like repetitive and like you said the kids storyline worked all that stuff worked and then I thought whatever skarsgård was the clown did great yeah I thought that performance and a lot of the clown effects were neat but I didn't I wasn't scared at all during this movie I was just kind of like bored and then there were some comedic tonal things that I thought went a little too far there was maybe a few too many like Richie toe kind of one-liners after something scary happens I liked him a lot in the role that was his character yeah there's a couple parts where it felt kind of out of place or unneeded like Eddie's mom like oh god she looked like she belongs in a John Waters movie yes Eddie kasparek the hypochondriac his his fat mom has like like a pink tracksuit and yeah but just that when they sure it first she's just wearing like a muumuu and she looks sort of disgusting and slimy and and I liked that because he has like like Munchausen's syndrome or something right like like you're so you're sick you're sick yeah and and I was like oh the mom is like gross you know and they didn't cast her as like the the the creepy old lady it was just like this gross fat lady and then then she shows up in a pacer in like a tracksuit with this like weird like like necklace on and it's it's a comical becomes comical and there's there's some moments like that I was at first happy that they left in a lot of the vulgar Stephen King dialogue yeah the F word is file over the other F word flies out yes I was shocked to hear him in a modern-day film in contexts it's fine but as so many people I think kind of ignore context now but as this [ __ ] bully in the 80s like would use that word yeah and so I like that it got and then some of the dialogue the kids are saying they're like talking about like [ __ ] their sister and just yeah especially Richie Tozier just lots of vulgar horrible sex things basically piss and [ __ ] so I'm just telling you in the book Eddie is of course you know he's always worried about diseases and scared and scared of that stuff and so he sees a leper and the leper creeps him out and in the book though the lepers like offering and offering to give him a [ __ ] which is kind of [ __ ] up but again Stephen King Plus cocaine equals it he does not do that in this movie but it chases him around accompanied by loud obnoxious sound effects sequence but he's in there and then there's a couple new ones too that aren't in the book like stan is Jewish and he's in the he's like practicing for Bar Mitzvah he's practicing for his Bar Mitzvah and he goes into the back room of the the synagogue he's in and there's a painting on the wall and then the painting comes to life so that seemed very specific I couldn't remember if that was in the book that that's I don't believe that's in the book but the the leper is the the people that were burned alive that's from the book Mike's parents yeah yeah yeah they it's like they did they did the fear stuff and then they they always followed it with an appearance from the clown and I don't know again if that's in the book or not I don't remember some parts it is some person isn't yeah well that that I mean spoilers here from here on out that to me obviously the ending they they tied it up with a bow nice and neat because the original the the TV movie ending and I don't remember the book ending she shoots him in the head with the thing and the dead lights come out of his head and he goes down the thing and this they're like ah you gotta fight it and then it kind of like I'm your fear I'm gonna get you I'm your fear and all the fears come back yeah and that to me structurally from a movie perspective made sense they didn't kill it right they just showed it they each one of them overcame their own individual little fears and beat it up and then it went and slithered away because they'd lost all its power because they were no longer scared sure structurally it makes a sense I actually prefer the ending of the kids portion from the TV movie okay because I feel like it had a stronger sense of that bond between the kids I mean that's the whole idea is that they're stronger together and like Bevin the the silver like that's not like that it's not that that's something like that would literally kill it it's more what that represents yes I'm working boiled dad Eddie you know he has his inhaler and he's like this is battery acid and it's more just like there kind of imagination and they're working together kills it in this movie they go down the sewer and they have like no plan and then they just start beating it with pipes like yeah will they bring the cow cattle killing gun yeah was it wasn't in the book that was just something they introduced in the first part of the movie pays off in the end of the movie but it's still like they kind of have that because bill goes to shoot it with that at the end and and Mike's like oh it's empty and doesn't matter that it's empty it's more that he believes and so like a part of his head shoots up but that's it then they just beat it with pipes again it's all nebulous it's all like [ __ ] here's a 9,000 page book figured out and I think that that translates to the film that's one of the reasons I really like this movie I don't know I don't know anyone who calls it like a like a masterpiece no it's very sloppy it's a great premise and I think this movie does a good job of executing what works about that premise yes and leaving out the stuff that doesn't well the the it at the book is like like a giant I'm gonna use a metaphor it's like a giant stewpot right and the movie's new to take out the meat and the potatoes sure and the vegetables yeah but in the books to pot there's meat potatoes vegetables and gangs and gang bangs but there's also candy corn and and and skittles a piece of pizza and an apple okay and what are some other foods that just do not go together but it's in a big pot sure and so the movie's new like here's a creepy clown here's some kids here's some kind of premise about overcoming your fears now let's have a bunch of scenes with a creepy clown and I'll put it all in a trailer and y'all come out and see it now yeah come on y'all come on out and see this it's got a creepy clown in it it's gonna go boo I feel like in in this version of the movie as an adaptation they could have gotten rid of a couple of those kids Mike Hamlin is left with almost nothing to do in this version that something has changed from the book in the book he's the one that sort of is interested in dairies history yeah reason that you know is looking up you know the history of the town and all the horrible things that have happened and in this version they give that job to Ben the fat kid who already has his little love triangle thing going on Mike Camelin disappears for like a good chunk of the role of the movie nobody comes back in I was like oh right yeah and then he doesn't really have a lot to do he's got the the whatever that's called the gun you shoot into animals heads to kill him but that's it it's like yeah so I thought that was weird you could probably just pull Mike Hanlon out completely and it wouldn't Amade a difference it's an adaptation you can change things I think in in this version of the movie it would have worked better with less kids about Jay you can't remove a character from a classic book that nobody's read a classic book that only anyone remembers because of Tim Curry in a TV movie made in 1990 right right yeah I could probably say I actually [ __ ] read it I read it cover to cover yeah confusing and terrible as it was what now space turtle but that was so [ __ ] long ago I can't remember anything from it so it's almost like I didn't read it okay although I do remember the underage gangbang you know I was thinking with bub cutting her hair yeah that's probably in the I don't know I don't think that's in the book but I knew it I knew it I knew it movie TV movie bub sink fills up with blood and then I'm like with wait a minute Bloods gonna go everywhere isn't it it's gonna be to the nth degree it was comical and I was right it's because yeah it's actually kind of creepy at first when like just hair starts to shoot up and is like tangling around her arm running me like a nightmare and um street sequence or something but voices in the in the yeah and that's the thing is like subtlety goes a long way in being creepy but we got a everything's gonna be up to the you know so like blood shoots everywhere and just like in the book the kids all decide like hey parents either don't see this or pretend to not see this we're gonna help you clean it up and it's just like it's all over the ceiling and it's all over every wall the entire bathroom is covered in blood so the idea of them cleaning it up just felt like silly yes yes posed to that's is not good as the TV movie is the amount of blood I think is fine for what it's supposed to be conveying we have taken seven hours to clean up that blood yeah and there's like this idea that the dad's gonna come home Richie Tozier is sitting outside keeping an eye out I think was the out there overnight I'm sure we've said it before but a loud noise is not scary it's startling it might make you jump but it's gonna leave no lasting impacts and that's this movie is just sort of like a you know like a haunted house literally at one point they go into the the the creepy old house that looks like no house is in reality it looks like a horror movie house and it's like oh they opened the one door and there's a creep the girl that's hanging from the ceiling but your bottom half is missing and she goes and then they close it and that's the room you go into a haunted house silences is undervalued in these stupid horror movies creepiest movie I've seen in years that actually made like gave me goosebumps and made my skin crawl multiple times as a movie called Lake Mungo from a few years ago there's not a jump-scare and the entire [ __ ] thing it's just quiet sounds and photos of creepy things mmm and it's incredibly unsettling but you won't get a movie like that released to a wide audience you know the irony is that this 9,000 page novel can get boiled down to a handful of scenes with creepy clown that that will satisfy today's lowbrow low attention span audience and that's the the frustrating part I think with a couple tweaks and just not playing it's so broad with the horror stuff I think this really could have been something special as it is all the kids stuff it's nice to see that adapted better than it was in the TV movie I like the kids in the TV movie but as far as the way they interact and even the performances and stuff I really like all that in this movie but it's just that horror stuff has just played so broadly well it's the it's the perfect like I said the perfect time perfect place for this material to bring it back if you brought it back ten years ago I don't know but it kind of fits nicely into a little a little spot it's it's people like that broad horror stuff now they like the loud jump scare or jump scares and the like the Annabelle creation that doll that stupid [ __ ] doll I'm more scared of the Raggedy Ann doll yeah than I am I'm so scary look at me I'm so scary yeah and that's the these movies they're not gonna hold up over time and I mean I just rewatched the Exorcist the other day and that's a movie that holds up its timeless because it's executed like it's a drama it's not executed like a scary horror movie and so there's a psychological element to it that this movie could have had I'm curious what it would have been like if Cary Fukunaga would have would have done it because that first season a true detective is wonderful and I have a feeling that might have been what ultimately led to him Lee being is that clash between the studio saying like no you gotta have the creepy jump scares and him wanting to do something a little more highbrow than that I don't know but that's my guess you know but there's enough there's enough creepy clown sprinkled throughout this to keep the popcorn going masses entertained it's almost like there's a repetition to it where it's almost like I don't know if it's like I know at one point in one of the Friday the 13th sequels the producers were saying like you got to have a kill every eight minutes and this movie kind of has that feel like you gotta have the clown jump out and make a loud noise every eight minutes yeah and that that sort of workman like kind of feel to it yeah the only part in this movie that legitimately kind of like I think my hair raised on my arms was when Ben is flipping through the town history book and every page it's like the same picture over and over but it just gets closer every time and just that final visual of just like a child's head in a tree it exploded into a tree yeah like that was creepy but of course that's also accompanied by like it would have been just as unsettling without that then also there's a sequence where they're looking at the film slides yeah and then it kind of does the the film slide film projector takes over and then the mom's face kind of turns into Pennywise and then it's like then it would be like look burns out or something great yeah instead like Pennywise comes out of the wall okay so you and I think while I don't really like the source material I think it's it's a [ __ ] of ideas from a crazy man well this movie streamlines it the movie streamline streamlines it as best it can it takes all the things out of the pot to make a make a nice meal for everybody it adds a a bit near the end of the second acts where the characters I'll get upset with each other and go their separate ways classic three-act structure stuff where then they have to come back together everybody's up their low point yeah and it seems like the evil has won but then Bev gets kidnapped we got to go save her which I didn't like that either by the way her now yeah if Pennywise had a reason to lure them all in but he didn't right well and then she's like the strongest one and they make a line about like he couldn't get her he couldn't kill her because she's too strong once I go she's so strong then how could he lure in in the first place get one of those [ __ ] kids get Eddie Casper actually curtain up to Casper so as it is it just feels like a lame damsel in distress thing yeah Eddie's mom could have been Oh Eddie's gone and then and then then they'd be like we're gonna go find him ma'am the lady who just dissed us all and told us you couldn't we couldn't see Eddie anymore we're gonna go save him nice little turnaround and then sit your fat ass down we're gonna go save your son they know where he's at whoa I did appreciate the very end of the movie we did not have our characters walk off into the sunset everything's quiet and then Pennywise jumps out right of the screen cut the credits they didn't do that I was so shocked that was the only shocking thing in the movie - good job I was waiting for Bakul to pop out at the screen and they didn't do it so kudos to them for that I just kind of ended the only moment of restrain the entire [ __ ] movie maybe you know what we didn't stay for the post-credits oh oh do you think they had a Marvel s post-credits sequence setting up the sequel like just a shot of the sewer or whatever well oh yeah man something something like that or just the eyes light up yeah as long as you don't do it right before the end credits start yeah movie proper was over we left the [ __ ] theater we didn't see stupid [ __ ] finished the movie and you stayed past the end credits tell us if there was stupid [ __ ] so yeah it's kind of a neat idea very muddled and confusing and all over the place the the the ramblings of a crazy man turned into a terrible TV movie then refined into a marketable movie that's the perfect way to describe it it'll be successful but seems to have some of what makes the book work but not all III think structurally like the screenplay for this is perfect for what this needs to be it's really just the execution and the horror sequences be more obnoxious than scary that's really what killed it for me because everything else I thought the cinematography was nice yeah that's true yeah it had like kind of I don't know a richer look than a lot of modern movies have everything looks so generic now out of a hundred people Jay you being included in this bunch 99 will find the the sped up screaming clown scary you will be the one person who will find boring old pictures scary okay so the bean counters and the producers who are making this know what they're doing is sure I'm sorry to be so blind wait you're thinking about I mean if you're talking about it in terms of like making their money back on opening weekend but I don't think this movie's gonna be considered some sort of horror classic in 25 years or anything there there were many many dumb people in our theater I just just sensed it I have like spidey senses there there are people walking in with pizzas and and and hot dogs and corn dogs and there was like Larry's like wheelbarrows filled with like garbage food and and Fatso's going smoke a cloud kami you know I mean and that's what this is yeah I wish I could say I wish I could be outraged that this brilliant novel was was you know downplayed into spooky clown sequences but I'm not the biggest fan of the novel from the beginning so all of this is just a big big pile of trash that I'm just digging my way through throwing trash around see it's frustrating to me as like I have issues with the book but I think the concept is great and I think this could have been something special I don't know it's no friend requests no that's or I clicked unfriend and it won't let me unfriend the ghosts I'm friends with the ghosts on Facebook why isn't metha tied all the movie confronts us the Facebook [Music] [Applause] they need to make it more clear so that people understand what they're supposed to be scared of life is a nightmare just keep hitting us with hurricanes till we're all gone just come on keep coming Harvey Irma why doesn't Hollywood get hit by hurricanes why is it America's armpit Florida always gets hit by the Hurricanes just hit kick hurricanes go over go over by the Pacific side and run over Hollywood constantly with hurricanes one after the other until it's nothing just put a pile of debris and rubble one after the other after the other constantly hitting Hollywood over and over and over again so they stop making movies thank you and good night [Music]

Channel: RedLetterMedia

Views: 2,557,614

Keywords: redlettermedia, red letter media, red, letter, media, plinkett, half in the bag, best of the worst, mike stoklasa, jay bauman, rich evans, it, stephen king, tim curry

Id: 0iID-OpwZ4E

Length: 45min 36sec (2736 seconds)

Published: Sun Sep 10 2017

Reddit Comments

[u/Jonathan_Turnbuckle]

Going off of what they said about horror without jumpscares, the creepiest thing from the movie that stuck with me was Ben in library. In the background, out of focus, you can see the librarian just smiling. And then it cuts back to the book and then back to Ben and everything looks normal. Very subtle and something I actually doubted I saw until my friend pointed it out too.

[u/MartiniDeluxe]

Who's scarier, Pennywise or Eloise Cole?

[u/[deleted]]

I forgot about that super weird sexual vibe between the Bev and the men in Pt 2 of the miniseries. Maybe there was an off-screen underage gangbang they're all suppressing.

[u/yakobis]

I basically only watch these now to hear what obscure movie Jay really liked that gets name dropped in the middle of it. Lake Mungo in this case.

[u/QCognition]

I'd like to know what they thought about "It comes at night" since a lot of the complaints they have for It were done differently in that movie.

[u/sandratcellar]

You know, I've been watching to see when someone would bring up the Bev being captured subplot, and I'm pretty surprised it's Mike and Jay, who are fairly apolitical. They just legitimately didn't care for it structurally. I expected it to turn into another controversy like Black Widow in Age of Ultron, but people have been pretty forgiving so far, despite it not happening in the original novel.

For my part, Bev getting kidnapped and rescued didn't bother me at all. I mean, it's not like that kind of subplot bothers me in general, and I don't think it did a disservice to the character, as she wasn't afraid of Pennywise, even alone by herself in his lair. But I also don't think it was put in there frivolously, either. One of the things going on in the book is that the boys are pretty much all in love with Bev. She's the only girl, and they're all awkward losers. In the original, that culminates with a creepy sex train in the sewers. What the movie opts for instead is making her the heart of the group. She's the one, aside from Bill, who's constantly pushing them to continue with the quest and never leave a man behind. So when she goes missing, it makes sense that it rouses everyone back to normal and brings the group together again. I think it had more importance that it was Bev who was taken, rather than, say, Eddie or Mike.

[u/killermicrobe]

Where is Rich Evans? Who are these hack frauds?

[u/sandratcellar]

Fuck yes, I've been waiting for this. Even if I disagree with their opinions, these videos are always entertaining.

[u/stealthamo]

On the plus side, now I know what Reddit will say about IT when they inevitably turn on it!