Don’t Believe Everything You Think — Battling Anxiety

welcome back to the wow that's good podcast y'all i am so excited for today's podcast because i have someone on here who has really helped me so much in my life and i know has helped so many people uh we have dr amon on let me give you a little backstory on him he is a husband he's a father but he also does so many things with his incredible life he's an author of several books he's a doctor he's a psychiatrist he's a million things and he knows so much about the brain and he helps people become healthier in their life by really focusing on their brain so i'm really thankful for him and the impact he's made on my life and y'all will hear more about that as i interview him but without further ado welcome to the podcast dr eamon thank you sadie what a joy to see you yes this is awesome so i can't wait to dive in but first i have to ask the question of the podcast what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given so i thought about that and it reminds me of a friend of mine uh her name is byron katie she wrote this great book called loving what is and the piece of advice is when you argue with reality welcome to hell wow and i just i think about that all the time if i'm having a bad day it's like rather than fight it just try to be curious about it not furious yeah i think that's something you and i chatted about um curious not furious and you know accept what is i sort of wanted to be a center for the los angeles lakers but you know at five six just not going so if i argued with it it it just you know it's like go do something else yes that's so good i love that because we could sit and argue for a long time and get nowhere so that's such great advice um obviously a lot of people know who you are you have been a part of you know being a lot of celebrities doctors you also have ted talks with millions of views you've written books and all that stuff but what was your journey to getting where you are why did you why why are you so fascinated by the brain how did it start well when i turned 18 uh vietnam was still going on and i became an infantry medic where my love of medicine was born but about a year into it i realized i didn't really like being shot at some people like that it just wasn't for me um and so i got retrained as an x-ray technician and developed really a passion for medical imaging as our professors used to say how do you know unless you look and then i got out of the army and i went to finish college went to medical school and when i was a second year medical student someone i loved tried to kill herself and i took her to see a wonderful psychiatrist and i came to realize if he helped her it wouldn't just help her that ultimately it would help her children and her grandchildren now that you have a baby you realize your mental health completely impacts the baby's mental health and so i fell in love with psychiatry because i realized it has the potential to change generations of people but i fell in love with the only medical specialty that never looks at the organ it treats and i knew it was wrong because of my imaging background and i knew it would change i just had no idea i'd be involved in a change and over the last 30 years we built the world's largest database of brain scans related to behavior we have 185 000 scans on people from 150 countries and it just taught me that so so the big lesson is that most psychiatric problems anxiety depression bipolar disorder ocd ptsd are not mental health issues at all their brain health issues that steal people's minds get your brain right and your mind will follow and one of my favorite stories i in justin bieber's new docu-series seasons and you know like many celebrities he'd sort of do what i said some of the time but one day walked into my office and he said my brain is an organ like my heart is an organ if you told me i had heart problems i'd do everything you said he said i'm gonna start doing everything you say and then it just got dramatically better wow and if we can just stop calling these things mental illnesses right when you call somebody mental that shames them right but when you call them a brain it elevates right so let's start talking about brain health issues rather than mental illness wow that's so cool that's great i remember you sharing with me how your mental health directly affects your child's mental health and you told me that before i was pregnant with honey and i was so thankful that you did because i started getting my brain healthy not knowing that months later i was going to be pregnant and i really focused on that whenever i was pregnant with her i really focused on the things that you gave me to work through anxiety so i didn't you know have all that anxiety sitting on me whenever i had her in my womb you know and so i was so so grateful for that and i kind of shared with people in the last podcast how much anxiety i was going through after i had honey which is when i called you but i really didn't struggle with it when i was pregnant with her and a huge part of that was because i really worked on it and so we'll get to that later um but i want people to understand the importance of taking care of their brain because honestly when you showed me the scans i was like wow like okay brain health is important and there are things that we do that really affect our brain and how we think and so from your perspective in a nutshell what is the importance of really taking care of your brain why is it so important well and nobody cares about their brain why because you can't see it you can see the wrinkles in your skin or the fat around your belly and you can do something when you're unhappy with those but in 1991 when i started looking at the brain i didn't care about my own brain and i was the top neuroscience student in medical school as a double board certified psychiatrist and i just didn't care but when i saw it and saw it wasn't healthy because i played football in high school i had meningitis when i was a young soldier and i had bad habits i wasn't sleeping i ate bad food i looked at it and i developed a concept i call brain envy how we say freud was wrong penis envy is not the cause of anybody's problem um it's brain you gotta love and care for your brain and when when i did years later my brain's better and i'm like oh my goodness with a better brain your mind is better your energy's better your decision making is better your relationships are better everything is better see people don't really sort of connect it even though everybody really knows your brain controls everything you do how you think how you feel how you act how you get along with other people and when it works right you work right and when it's troubled you have trouble in your life that then people start medicating you for without ever looking right and that's what i'm like no that's not okay right you want to see like with your brain part of that you it was hurt and you told me about an accident you had when you were 16. um and it's like no we have to fix that and your emotional brain worked too hard like there was trauma and there was trauma and so working through all of that not is there something wrong with you because you're amazing but it's just like balancing it i saw an eight-year-old boy the other day was really struggling with his moods and his temper and i'm like you have a great brain it's sort of like a ferrari engine that's just not tuned right so let me tune it so you can use it see there's no shame in that as opposed to you have this so you should take that and you'll have to take it for the rest of your life and it's like no no let's not think like that [Music] so dr jamin's been talking about how important it is to eat healthy and it really is so important but with magic spoon you can eat healthy and have fun and i i love that because i got him eating healthy is sometimes not the most fun option in life but a magic spoon is super fun it gives you the 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you your money back and no questions asked pretty legit remember go get your next delicious bowl of cereal at magicspoon.com and use the code whoa to save five dollars off i remember whenever you showed me my brain scan and you were explaining it and it all made so much sense and i remember one of the things that you saw was how active the part of my brain is where things spiral like thoughts spiral and i was like yes like i get stuck on a thought and that was kind of even what i share with you after having honey like the thought of is she okay is she gonna be okay am i gonna be okay and it's just over and over and over and over that thought and then of course it leads out as an anxiety attack like because i get so anxious i get so worked up um but i loved how you explained everything and showing me my brain and i know there's so many practical things for how to help that i remember the reason i went to you is because i heard that you don't just give people medicine and that was kind of the thing it was like when i'd share with the doctor i had bad anxiety they're like here here's medication i'm like no i don't want to take that because i i know i can work through this you know and um so when i shared with you when i talked to you with the things that i went through and the things that i was struggling with and just simple things that you helped me walk through and yes what we talked through but even the breathing and the which we'll get to in a minute and the ants and all those things like i actually saw such improvement on my life that i didn't have to get on medication i was very thankful for that and so i love how you look at things and i love how you work things out and i think you know for people you know they might say well what if my brain's already bad right well that's the thing you're not saying hey everybody come to me with a perfect brain you're like even if your brain is bad these are the things that help and so i wrote down some of the practical tips you gave me that i wanted you to kind of talk about a little bit share with them what the concept of ants are in your life because i was a classic fortune teller aunt you know anybody that has panic attacks they're masterful at predicting the worst yes and then they make it worse still and many years ago i had a really bad day at work i saw four suicidal patients two couples who hated each other and two teenagers who'd run away from home when i got home and i was so stressed and i came home to an aunt ant infestation in my house and as i was cleaning up all the ants i thought to myself automatic negative thoughts my patients are infested just like my kitchen was invested we need to get an anteater so i have an anteater oh that's awesome you need an anteater in your head to help you not believe every stupid thing you think yes thoughts lie they lie a lot and it's our uninvestigated thoughts that ruin people's lives thoughts come from our genes right if your parents or grandparents had traumas that that trauma actually will get written into their genetic code babies are not born as a blank slate everything that happened uh to our ancestors sort of gets written into our genes they come from the traumas we experience they come from the voices of our parents and siblings and friends and enemies the news the music we listen to and just because you have a thought has nothing to do with whether or not it's true or helpful that's good and one of the things that you and i worked on is whenever you feel sad or mad or nervous or out of control write down what you're thinking and then just ask yourself is it true can i absolutely know if it's true how does the thought make me feel who would i be without it and then my favorite part of killing the ants is take the original thought honey's going to get sick and flip it to the opposite honey's not going to get sick and just go so which is true and it's just about questioning your thoughts and not just believe them because you have them yeah and know why i was 28 years old before i learned this that i don't have to believe everything i think it was so freeing that i just had to share it with everybody i love that i love it you don't have to believe everything you think and i think that was the problem because i was like oh well if i'm thinking it then it must be true then it must be about to happen or even you know we do that in silly scenarios like with friends like i bet they're thinking that they have to be you know i bet that they don't like me i bet that this and like if you believe all that you become really insecure about yourself and you think no one likes you when in reality that's just not true but it all stemmed from this original thought um and yes when you told me to start questioning my thoughts it was so good for me and now i'm like is that true and i'm always like no is it absolutely true nope not at all and is that benefiting my life at all to think about no so i need to stop thinking about it i love whenever i was talking to you about um you know just the initial call when i called you a postpartum i was telling you all that was going through and you're like okay first of all let's get rid of all the what-ifs or what could have happened or what should have happened because it's not helping you and it's not helping anyone and i was like you're right and even just in that one sentence like it just freed me from so many thoughts because i didn't even realize like 80 of my thoughts were like what could have what should have what if that didn't even happen you know and so why am i focusing on all of those things and when it's just making me incredibly anxious whenever i could be incredibly grateful and so i that really helped me another thing that you've taught me that has really shaped you know even just moments in my life before i go on stage i do this before i enter and do a hard conversation i do this is my breathing techniques that you've taught me so share with people how breathing is actually really important to the way that your brain responds to things so your brain is about two percent of your body's weight about three pounds but it uses 20 of the oxygen and the blood flow in your body wow and when we get anxious our breathing tends to get shallow and fast and inefficient and the simplest way to break a panic attack so there are four quick steps but one is don't leave the situation when you're having a panic attack unless it's dangerous right if you're walking in downtown detroit at two in the morning leave that by the way i just want to make a note real fast that really helped me because i remember sharing with you in your office you said what do you normally do when i have a panic attack you see well i normally get up and go to the bathroom or something to like try to like calm down or remember when i was on the plane and i walked up the plane because i thought the plane was gonna crash all these fortune teller things and i would just leave and you said don't leave and i was like oh that's my first step so that was already good to hear the second one is breathe and in a very specific way i want you to take four seconds to breathe in so big breath but then eight seconds to breathe out and try to breathe diaphragmatically which means let the energy of breathing go lower in your body and that breathing pattern take twice as long to breathe out as you breathe in will actually trigger an automatic relaxation response in your body so what you're doing is you're flooding your brain with oxygen so you're becoming more efficient and telling your brain it's time to settle down because when you breathe in that fast and efficient way the world sort of starts to close in on you and you get anxious and you feel panicky now you have to practice there's an app i like called awesome breathing we're actually program it uh to go four seconds in eight seconds out and it's so simple so easy and just sort of breaks a panic attack quickly and then write down what you're thinking right so don't leave breathe with your belly slowly write down what you're thinking correct it and then if you're still anxious something simple like gaba or magnesium or theanine because too often people go to the family doctor and they go oh i'm having panic attacks and they give them xanax or klonopin or ativan which are addictive and it's like once you start them you won't be able to stop them right and i'm not opposed to medicine please if you're listening to the podcast don't stop your medicine talk to your doctor but let's give you skills not just pills and then i love that because you learn them and then you implement them and then you feel them right yep [Music] all right y'all we all know what it feels like to have a good hair day but we all also know what it's like to have a bad hair day am i right well functional beauty can help you out to have a good hair life because you can actually pick out the product that's perfect for you by taking a 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remember one night i kind of woke up in a panic attack which was so strange because you know i didn't have a chance to even do all of my things because i just woke up and i was in a panic attack and i remember christian said go put your hands under warm water and and the moment i looked at him like what like why would i do that that was this was before i'd ever tried that but i he remembered you saying that because he came with me to our session and i went and put my hands in warm water and literally i stopped shaking i stopped i wasn't afraid like it was so weird and so it's just weird how your body you know responds to fear sometimes even in moments that you're not necessarily afraid like even when your brain gets overworked in a day or you know all day i had been thinking so many thoughts of everything that has to get done and whatnot and it all just kind of caught up to me and i guess that just really calmed me down and so i just love how practical these tips are that really help because there was a time in my life where i thought like oh this is just the way that i am like i i'm just an anxious person you know this just happens to me you know um but not realizing that i can actually do something to help it and that's not just the way that i am that's the way that my brain tends to think but i can help myself and so that was really inspiring for people wondering how they can help themselves what are some things that are just bad for your brain in general well you know let me push on what you said a little bit more you are in good shape and that takes a lot of work to be in good shape and it's like day in and day out you have to eat right and exercise and do the right things to take care of your body but nobody thinks that about mental health or brain health it's these are practices we need to do all the time right um and another technique i don't remember if we talked about it but it's called give your mind a name to psychologically distance to separate from the chatter in your head and when i first heard of this i'm like what would i name my mind and i named it actually after my pet raccoon when i was 16. i had a pet raccoon her name was hermie and she was i loved her but she was a troublemaker um she got me into all sorts of hot water with my mother she tp her bathroom ate my sister's goldfish oh my god and that's my mind my mind and your mind is a troublemaker it's just like holds up signs like you're an idiot or you're a failure or bad things are going to happen and when you give your mind a name you can actually separate from it and you can choose to listen to it or not to listen to it there's a new disney movie out i love called luca and there's a whole part in there where one of the boys tells the other one to give his mind a name and tell it to shut up it was really fun wow [Music] and so so one mental discipline like physical discipline you want to be mentally healthy you have to work it and these are practices to do every day not believe everything you think breathe especially diaphragmatically or breathe with your belly brain health is three things it's brain envy got to care about it uh avoid things that hurt it know the list and do things that help it so what hurts the brain not sleeping sleep is so critical see when i first saw my scan it wasn't healthy because i thought i was special that i could get by on four hours of sleep at night i was so excited about my life and my clinic and writing that i didn't sleep much and then as i read the research i realized i wasn't special i was stupid because when you sleep your brain cleans and washes itself it actually tidies it up gets it ready for the next day and so if you're and this is very important for new mothers if you're only sleeping three or four hours because you're up at night with the baby um you're not your decision making is not going to be quite as good so making sure you get dad involved to really help or you know some of your other family if you have them it's just absolutely critical to get six seven eight hours of sleep at night you know one of the reasons for postpartum depression is you felt so good when you were pregnant because your progesterone levels were really high and then you felt so anxious because they dropped like rock and so getting your hormones checked is really important which means we should always avoid hormone disruptors and what are those things like parabens and phthalates and fragrance and often the products we put on our body are disrupting our hormones so i probably had you download the app think dirty which is you get to scan all of your personal products and they'll tell you on a scale of one to ten how quickly they're killing you wow and so getting your hormones checked and optimized saunas are so good because they help detoxify us and they've it's actually a study in jama psychiatry that showed one infrared sauna had antidepressant effects wow and of course we should talk about alcohol it is not a health food it is not a good anti-anxiety it helps you feel better quickly but makes you feel bad in the long run so i'm not a fan at all of alcohol or marijuana marijuana will help you feel better for some people quickly but then it stays in your body 30 days and has a negative impact on brain function wow and bad food you think it tastes great and i always love this i just want you to love food that loves you back that's great you know i don't know if you've ever been in a bad relationship but i've been in a bad relationship and i'm not doing it anymore and i'm for certain not doing it with food so whenever i go to eat something it's like well do i love it and does it love me back so food really matters because your brain again it's two percent of your body's weight but uses 25 of the calories you consume so how you eat determines how you think and how you feel and how you act it's incredible well it's so good to think about these things because you're right these are things that are so important but we just don't think about but they have such a huge effect on our life if we do think about them um one thing i wanted you to share because i talked about this in my postpartum episode when i talked about how i was dealing with so much fear but i didn't want to admit to it because i was also so happy and joyful and i felt like to admit that i was afraid it was taking away from how happy i really truly was but i kind of realized that it wasn't that it was taking away it was that they kind of went hand in hand i was afraid because i love her so much i didn't want anything to happen to her but the fear wasn't helping me love her more right and i love one thing that you talked about which was the idea of gratitude gratitude being such a powerful force and so share with people um the power of gratitude in those moments that you are feeling so anxious it's a daily practice um just like working out if you can focus on what you love about your life your brain actually works better when you focus on fear it turns off your frontal lobes and just gives free reign to the anxiety and so writing down three things you're grateful for every day so i have a couple of daily practices that really help me i start every day with today is going to be a great day and that way my mind finds what's right rather than what's wrong and i end every day with what went well today so when i put myself to sleep at night i say a prayer and then i go what went well and i start at the beginning of the day and as i sort of review the day from a positive standpoint it actually sets my dreams up to be more positive and my dad died about a year ago and the night the day he died i did this now the raccoon popped up and goes how can you go what went well today your dad died you are an awful evil person but it's my habit right you do what you do and because it was my habit uh i said a prayer and then i thought about this great interaction between my mom and the police officer i thought about all the texts i got from the people who love me and then i thought about holding his hand before the mortuary took him away and i just remembered how soft it was and then i went to sleep which is a night i usually wouldn't have slept very well right even in hard times you can manage your mind but you have to do it all the time because if you do it all the time then when hard times come you have skill to manage those things and if you're a believer you believe that really nothing is hard yeah well yeah that's so powerful that's so cool and i just love that you've really stressed on like the power of the habit like having a habit can really get you through hard times because you still had that same healthy habit just like working out we i have a habit of doing that i have a habit of being healthy and that really helps me even when i'm sick you know to to be healthier and stronger and so that is really cool that these habits actually end up helping you through the hard times of your life i know you mentioned being a believer and that's something that we've related on and i love how you talk about how you are using your gift to actually help the church and i think i think that's so cool because i think everybody has ministry right i mean if you are in your position you have a clinic and you're scanning brains like you have an opportunity to minister if you're a teacher if you're you know a lawyer if you are a nanny or if you are in ministry yourself you're all you all have an opportunity to work for the kingdom and so share about how important you think it is for the church to be healthy because i love what you did with rick warren and stuff like that well you know i went to oral roberts university i went to a christian medical school and dearly loved it but in the church there's this sort of um attitude where if you're struggling with anxiety or depression it's because you have sin in your life and i've always hated that because your brain can have problems just like your heart can have right problems and so we've really worked hard to get the church to embrace brain health mental health issues and be supportive rather than hurtful which it can be sometimes right and then it was 10 years ago almost 11 years ago now actually pastor warren called me and said i'm fat my church is fat will you help me and we created the daniel plan which was a program to get the world healthy through churches and the first week at saddleback fifteen thousand people signed up the first year they lost a quarter of a million and subsequently thousands of churches around the world have done this program and the idea is we get sick together or we get better together and the church is so important that we really want it to be a place of physical and mental health because then spiritual health is better right and uh it was really one of the biggest blessings of my life that's so cool i loved i heard a quote from you one time where you said you were talking about how churches give out donuts and ice cream and have hot dog parties and you said here's the thing church we're sending them to heaven faster i was like if that is true that is true um one last question i had and honestly i i haven't talked to you about this so i don't know if this is something that you have you know started looking at study i'm sure you have but what do you feel like social media's effect on our brain is and do you think it's positive negative can it be both um what are kind of your thoughts on social media clearly it can be both so it's a way to connect it's the way you connect with millions of people and they can be uplifted but it's also addictive and it can distract people from real relationships right so we have to be really careful um i don't know if you've watched the social dilemma um it's horrifying yes because the social media companies are ultimately companies that make money and they make money on wet cells right and what sells is anxiety what sells is fear what cells is disaster and so they promote topics of conflict fear and anxiety and that is worsening uh the mindset of america if it bleeds it leads and so i wake up every morning with the good news network i want to know what's what right good thing in the world because there's so much that right and people should write this down where you bring your attention determines how you feel and um i wrote a book called the end of mental illness because i just i hate the term mental illness and in it i imagined if i was an evil ruler and i wanted to create mental illness in america what would i do and i create social media and the news networks because they give us a bias a negatively biased look at the world because that's what the brain pays attention to right the brain naturally pays attention to fear as a way to protect itself yes and they they use that natural tendency so as individuals and moms we sort of have to fuss with it and i think with honey and any other babies that you might have i think if you just start every day with today is going to be a great day i like that why is your day going to be a great way we do do that at breakfast and we do at dinner go with kids what went well today just to get them trained to look for what's right not only for what's wrong i love that that's great i am writing my next book right now god who are you following and it's talking about following jesus in a social media obsessed world and so i was really curious to that and i love that you said where you are giving your attention will affect how you feel because i was kind of talking about that it's like what we give our worship to what we follow what we even praise and comment on like that all is affecting where life is leading us right um because who we're following is who is leading you know and so i i love that you said that and that makes so much sense um last thing i wanted to to say and i just wanted to hear the hope that you have for this because honestly i love you talking about the end to mental illness because mental illness is something that has become strangely almost like a popular thing to say um actually i went to several universities about two years ago doing like a tour and i talked to so many sorority girls and really just asked so what do you see on campus what's what's kind of the biggest struggle and everybody said mental illness it was like we all struggle with mental illness because either we struggle with perfectionism or we struggle with we are so stressed or we struggle with anxiety or we're depressed and all this stuff and you know i look at that and i see the lifestyle that a lot of college students are living and i can see why you would feel as though you feel mentally ill right no wonder you feel so anxious no wonder you feel depressed no wonder you feel like you have to uphold a perfect standard because you know of kind of even the culture that you're in as a college student however it scares me to think about a generation growing up right now and about to lead all thinking that they struggle with mental illness and so what would be your encouragement to that college student that the hope that you have for that college student that hey you might think that you have mental illness but actually there's hope for your future because yeah let's not call it mental illness let's just call it i'm having a brain health issue that i can impact yeah and whenever i think about people i always think of them in four big circles it's what's the biology are you eating right are you exercising are you sleeping are you taking simple supplements multiple vitamins fish oil vitamin d are you nourishing your brain so let's get the physical functioning of your brain right and too often and my daughter's just getting ready to go off to tcu uh and you know they talk about the freshman 15 and you know when kids are away from home they're not doing quite the right structure for themselves and then let's get your mind right let's teach you not to believe every stupid thing you think and give your mind a name and learn really mind management techniques and then let's make sure your relationships are right so biological psychological social who you hang out with matters and spiritual which too many psychiatrists never talk about but it's why do you care what is your deepest sense of meaning and purpose because if you know why you're on the planet and you've enhanced your brain and managed your mind and worked on your relationships you're just going to be happier because ultimately ultimately that's what we want we want to be happy but guess what purposeful people are happier and pleasure is the enemy of happiness because when you get too much pleasure it actually wears out your pleasure centers that's why fame early fame is really not very good for your brain because it wears out your pleasure centers and then you feel flat right um and so too many people are like oh i want followers and i want fame and it's like i'm not so sure that's a great thing yeah right yeah and joe you you and i both know a lot of really famous people and their level of happiness is no better uh than people who are just going a regular job every day because of the stress associated with it well come on man i really could listen to you talk all day but that everything you said is so important and i want people to really soak on that and really think about the things that you said and put it into practice i can say uh from a true testimony that you have truly helped me a ton you have helped my brain you've helped my life you helped my relationship with christian my relationship to my daughter as a mom and i couldn't be more grateful for that so thank you for caring about my brain and i hope that people will care about theirs too um for more on dr amon he has several books out you can google him and see it all you can also follow him on eamonn clement clinics i think that's your instagram dr amon clinics doc underscore amen he has his own clinic he's amazing and i'm telling you uh you will definitely benefit from following some of these simple instructions so thank you dr amen for your beautiful heart and sharing with us today thanks sadie so great to see you too you

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