(digital tones) (beatbox beats) - Hello internet. I am Danny Joey Nicky O'Beat. And welcome to another
episode of Obsessive Pop Culture Disorder, the show that, if you're watching this in the way way distant future, and most records have
been lost in some kind of horrible catastrophe, is the most popular show of all time. It was Beyonce's favorite. It healed the nation. I'm what the bible is based on. And today's record
setting episode explores. (beatbox drumroll) Few movies pop out of
the womb fully formed. It's rare for a movie to
start with a clear idea in a person's head and then have that idea translated perfectly. There are script rewrites,
studio notes, reshoots and actor demands that go into every film. The movie you end up seeing is often a hodgepodge of different
ideas that have come together at different points of
the movie making process. And sometimes it works,
and sometimes it doesn't. As a result, we get some
pretty (bleep) scenes in some pretty decent movies. And I'm gonna talk about them now. I hate doing intros to this. People already know what
the episode is about based on the title that they clicked on. Why do we insist on doing this? Title card. (beatbox beats) Ghostbusters is a near
perfect movie about ghosts, busters and Bill Murray being great. - I've always wanted to do this. And (dishes shattering) The flowers are still standing. - It's one of the amazing classic comedies that's going to be
studied for years to come. And the plot is pretty straightforward. Ghosts are real, some
scientists saw this coming, and built some ghost entrapment
and containment devices to keep everyone safe,
because ghosts are bad. The relationship between man
and the ghost in this movie is not nuanced. Something happens when people
die that makes them evil. They become ghosts and ghosts are bad and need to be busted. Then in a fun montage about
ghost busting, this happens. (seductive trippy music) (groans) (laughs) Busting makes you feel good, indeed. That's Dan Aykroyd's Ray Stanz dressed kind of like Napoleon,
I guess, getting a blow job from a ghost in what may be a dream. I have a thousand questions. And the first 900 of them are no with a question mark on
them at the end of them, because no, don't do that in your awesome Ghostbuster movie. This subplot involves Ray
and Winston going to a fort that was allegedly haunted. In this fort, Ray finds
an old officer's uniform, which he puts on, sure. And then he falls asleep. And then a ghost sucks his dick for real, because if you're a man in a writer's room working on a movie, eventually
you'll raise your hand and say, what if blank
sucked my dick in this scene? It's just a thing that happens. I've been in a lot of writer's rooms. I've no doubt that while
working on the Ghost and the Darkness, Val
Kilmer softly pitched, what if one of the lions
is suddenly friendly and like, blows me 110%? And then after, I'm like, we
can't, and she purrs at me. But you're so good at
getting your dick sucked and I'm like, I know, but we can't. It's man's favorite idea for
a thing to happen in a movie. Guarantee you, that
happened behind the scenes of the Ghost and Darkness movie. This show is accessible. Anyway, all that stuff I said about the Ghostbusters going to
a haunted fort was cut, but the blow job sequence stayed, now reimagined as a dream
sequence because if they cut it, the audience might leave
the theater thinking, but can ghosts blow
people in dreams or what, why wasn't that addressed? And Akyroyd couldn't live with himself without resolving that issue. So the scene, for no
clear reason, was kept. Ray has a dream that he's
dressed as Napoleon in a fort, and the ghost blows
him, and it's so great, he crosses his eyes and
falls asleep in the dream. Nobody watching that
movie would have known about the behind the scenes subplot, so the scene doesn't belong
in this or any movie. But Akyroyd wanted to keep it in, saying, "The ghost in the
fort, the seduction ghost, in paranormal research,
that's a common thing. Ghosts doing sexual things to people. I have a friend who had
three women visit him in a haunted house in Louisiana and it was one of the greatest nights of his life. But in under two hours, you obviously can't have everything." Yeah, obviously you can't have everything. Dan Akyroyd believes ghosts are real, and that a few of them (bleep) the (bleep) out of his buddy, a liar. And if his Ghostbuster movie
were a little big longer, he could've included
all of this information. That's the amazing sort of
adorable part of all this. Akyroyd wanted to involve
a scene involving ghosts seducing people in haunted houses, because he believes there
is historical precedent for that kind of thing. But when told that
there wasn't enough room in his movie for a clear
subplot explaining this, he compromised with uh, fine, but we're keeping the blow job scene. No context, but people will understand. As a representative of the people, we do not. (beatbox beats) Kingsman horny butt sex princess? Did my title card operator have a stroke, or is someone making entry titles based on a random drawing of five cards against humanity white cards. Do we want to maybe try that again? (beatbox beats) Alright, fine, I know when I'm beaten. Kingsman, the Secret Service is a fun, gratuitously violent action-packed movie based on a comic book. It's one of those 'nuff said movies. A movie that is kinda cool, but when people try to sell you on it, they resort to just
excitedly listing the bizarre ridiculous and outside of the box elements contained therein. So, if you ask someone
why you should watch Kingsman, they'd say, there's
a lady with swords for legs, the president's head explodes, Samuel L. Jackson plays a
tech billionaire villain with a lisp for no reason. - Seriously, it's fine. - And Colin Firth does a
beautifully choreographed murder dance through a church. 'Nuff said. I generally hate 'nuff said movies, but the charm, acting
and story of Kingsman really worked for me. It's a fun, dumb movie
with cool characters and briefly, Mark Hamill. - Am I meant to find that reassuring? - 'Nuff said. - All of it is pretty good. And then there's this scene. (metal clanking) - Aren't you that princess
that went missing? - Can you get me out? - Well if I do, will you give me a kiss? I've always wanted to kiss a princess. - If you get me out right now, I'll give you more than just a kiss. - If you haven't seen the movie, that guy in the glasses is our hero, a kind-hearted British street punk who is recruited for an
even more secret version of the secret service. The woman in prison is a princess who was captured because
she didn't go along with Samuel L. Jackson's evil plan of blowing up the stupid
and poor people of the world in an effort to reduce the population and address climate change. It's a weird movie. Here is a sweet boy trying to
help and do the right thing. She is a princess who
chiefly has been notable for being one of the few people in power willing to stand up to Sam Jackson, which is why she's in prison. This is the first time they've met, and he would rescue her, but he has to go save the world first. And he tells her. - Sorry love, gotta save the world. - If you save the world, we can do it in the asshole. - I'll be right back. (dramatic music) - Everything about this is weird. But weirder still is that
our guy saves the world, and then she immediately
makes good on her promise. (romantic music) - You owe me Eggsy. (door closes) Eggsy? - She is a legitimate
princess who has been missing for quite some time, and
has an entire country to preside over. She's got family that's missing her, she's got a country that's
probably freaking out. And even if she were royalty, she's a kidnapped person
who has been held captive by a maniac and his
sword-legged bodyguard. That is not a situation that immediately lends itself to horniness. You need to get home, see
your family, see a doctor. And you, Eggsy, our hero boy, you just killed a bunch of people indirectly, including
the last cool president of the United States. You also shouldn't be thinking
about anal sex right now. It's a weird bonkers non
tonal fit for this movie. Also, I hate hate hate
using this stupid ass show to make any kind of point, but we shouldn't be perpetuating the idea of sex as a reward. The movie takes the sex as a reward idea to its most extreme point. If you save the world,
an undeniable good dead, you will get anal sex with a princess, an undeniable rare sexual
event for at least two reasons. The height of the circumstances, the ridiculousness of it makes it easy for us to brush it off. You save the world from
a McDonald's loving Samuel L. Jackson, of course,
means you get to have anal sex with a beautiful princess. This movie's wacky. But if you can consider
the sentiment behind it, it can only be insidious. World saving and princess butt sex is the extreme end of a spectrum, but if you zoom in on it, it becomes guy did something heroic and gets repaid with sex. And zoom in even further and it becomes, guys who do good things
are owed a sex treat, and that is exactly the
type of toxic lesson that we can't still be teaching
in whatever year this is. It's not enough that he
should save the world because he saves the world. It's not enough that he
should save the world because it's the right thing to do. He needs to also get special birthday sex from a princess? We shouldn't be conflating
sex with reward / payment in movies in general. But we also don't need it in Kingsman, a movie where we didn't need
any additional motivation to have our humble, poor British punk taking down an insane rich technocrat. (groans) I hate how self important we got. Do we have any dumb entries I can look to? (beatbox beats) That feels pretty unimportant. Let's get into it. Adam Sandler who can
do, whatever he wants, remade a prison football
movie, The Longest Yard. And it was mostly stupid. It was about some
prisoners playing football against their prison guards, and is a pretty fine
but forgettable movie. Sandler partners with
old hat Burt Reynolds and cool insider Chris Rock, while organizing their football games. And then, Chris Rock brutally burns alive. What? What? (twangy country music) - How do he listen to that cracker shit? (explosion) (dramatic music) - This has no impact on anything. It's just a weird gross scene in a movie that otherwise was about a bunch of people
playing football together. It's not a serious movie. It's not about the justice system. It never positions itself
as an important movie, and yet, suddenly, let's watch Chris Rock burn alive for no reason. (explosion) That's (bleep) dark. I know I spent a bunch of
time on the first two entries, and this feels kind of short changed, but dude burned alive, right? It's a forgettable Adam Sandler movie and there was a brutal fire death scene. That didn't happen to
Mr. Deeds or Big Daddy or Wedding Singer. Probably it was just
like let's burn this guy in this one movie. That's (bleep) up. Anyway, join us next time when our topic will be Daniel leaves writing the final tag joke
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Everything MARV does is existing movie tropes taken to their ugly logical extreme. This movie is that done to the spy genre. So with that comes two core scenes, one, the church scene in which we recontextualize the hypercompetant violence of the genre to a situation in which the violence loses all pretext of justification. It's just gratuitous aimless violence that we should be reeling at, but is framed exactly the same thrilling rollercoaster ride way all the violence is. And we have this scene in question, which is ultimately every Bond movie's ending stripped of its innuendo. The point is that it should be uncomfortable, but it generally isn't. Everything MARV does is essentially them going, "this is what you wanted, isn't it?" They aren't so much encouraging the trope as laying it bare. Now an interesting question to ask yourself is, why would this be the only thing in that movie that made you uncomfortable?
The scene's a spin on the traditional endings of the classic Bond movies where Bond would get to suck face with his leading lady (and perhaps MORE!) as the happy ending. Kingsman goes for the laugh by taking what was implied and making it completely, graphically explicit, right down to having the Q analogue accidentally tuning in. If anything, it's playing on the weirdness of the 'sex for saving the world' trope. However, even if you believe it's nevertheless perpetuating by mirroring, I'd argue it takes an entirely sex positive approach by having the Princess initiate. Eggsy does ask if she'll give him a kiss if he lets her out (very obviously played as a joke, rather than a 'do this or else' ultimatum), but she's the one who enthusiastically offers sex, which he accepts. It's two people who desire each other agreeing to have sex.
Scene (NSFW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2--K85dTZxU
I suspect the reason people get twitchy over the scene is because of how unusual it is for a mainstream movie to be completely open and explicit about what's about to happen - even though Q's "I think he's attempting re-entry, sir!" from Moonraker wins no points for subtlety. As director Matthew Vaughn points out, it's a scooch ludicrous that this scene has become such an ongoing focal point of indignation when the rest of the movie has graphic slaughter en-masse played for thrills and giggles, which nobody cares about, yet one instance of consensual, if explicit and socially unconventional (anal) sexual desire is considered totally unacceptable.
(And I didn't even particularly like the movie or its politics)
I'm glad it wasn't just me who hated this scene. I absolutely loved Kingsman, but this particular scene just adds absolutely nothing of value to it.
Were there different versions shown, in Europe, and the US?
I do not remember any "anal sex scene" in The Kingsmen movie.
All I remember was him jokingly asking her if she will give him a kiss if he saves her/the world, and she then tell him she give him a lot more than a kiss if he does that, he then looks at her with a very serious face and says "I'll be right back!".
the last scene literally ruined the movie for me.. I just sat there dumbfounded after seeing this scene in the theater
My husband and I just watched this for the first time on Friday. We were loving the movie and loved the final scene but that princess scene was so random and disappointing. We were actually pissed about it. I am surprised it made it past test audiences with it in there but then again, I'm not surprised :/
I didn't like the scene because she was tough to stand up to the villain and sacrifice herself. It was disrespectful to the character to make her into a horny victim to shoehorn a sex scene/joke. Is it even right to have sex with someone that's been held captive only a few moments ago?
It's pandering to men. The movie was about doing the right thing, but the exclamation of the movie is the guy having sex? Doesn't feel right to me.
I really feel like the idea that the anal sex scene is supposed to be satirical, is disingenuous. It's like saying that overly sexualised female characters in video games are satirical, but those are (badly) defended as catering to their largely male audience. I think the anal sex scene in Kingsman is pretty close to that, and if it's supposed to be satirical, it's not done well at all. It still panders directly to the same male audience that would celebrate all of these sexist tropes, while still denying that they are tropes, or that they are sexist, which in the end means that the satire would be lost on them. And, well, the satire was lost on me too, because to me it's a direct invocation of these tropes, not a criticism or subversion of them. I'm also pretty disappointed that I'm even seeing the idea that it's satirical coming from /r/MensLib, it feels like KIA-lite.