3070 Ti vs 4070 Ti : The Ultimate Comparison

once again let's skip any long intros and get straight into the benchmarks we're looking at the generational uplift of the 3070 TI versus the 4070 TI Why are we looking at fortnite well because this is the only game that is currently updated to Unreal Engine 5 with the new features like the Lumen lighting system with this which is software Ray tracing looks excellent it also has a hardware accelerated version which we're looking at currently in this clip which improves the lighting a bit more and also takes a bit more of a performance penalty we also have things like nanite allowing a lot of objects to stream in smoothly all of that we'll talk more about it but what are we seeing here we're seeing the 470 TI struggling to barely get around a 60 FPS average and the 3070 TI averaging around 41. if you're looking at the frame rate counters the left one is the instantaneous frame rate the middle is the average and the one on the right is the one percent lows so we're seeing about a 61 FPS average here for the 470 TI versus 43 on the 370 TI by the end of that particular Benchmark run now that was with the hardware Ray tracing turned on so now we're trying turning it off to see what kind of performance difference this makes you could also jump back and forth in the clips if you want to look for any visual differences they're subtle but they're there and here we're seeing both gpus performing better with the 4070 TI now consistently above 60 although this hasn't made a huge performance difference and the 370 TI is closer to the mid 40s so the 30 70 TI especially is probably going to want to look at lower settings now if you look at some of the other stats available up there you can see the GPU utilization the temperatures the 3070 TI here is the founders Edition cooler which you can see here does struggle quite a bit on the 3070 TI now what are we looking at now we're looking at the high settings we've now turned Hardware Ray tracing off and gone down to the high setting so this leaves Lumen enabled but at reduced settings reduces a bunch of other settings as well well nanite's still on all of that now we can see the 3070 TI is able to deliver over 60 frames per second and the 4070 TI is a higher refresh rate experience averaging a little bit over 90 frames per second which for me personally is where I want to be in a first person game for things to really feel smooth and kind of everything above 90 for me is just kind of good um but maybe unnecessary of all and I know some of you guys are like what fortnite's a competitive shooter and all that like remember we're using fortnite as a stand-in for Unreal Engine 5 performance not the um uh you know not really testing fortnite itself it's just the only game we have available uh here I wanted to look at what if we used upscaling on the 3780 TI to see if they could catch up with the 470 TI this game doesn't feature dlss um at least currently but it does have temporal super resolution which is the upscaler built into the Unreal Engine looking at the 3070 TI with the quality setting versus the 4070i native so this is not Apples to Apples comparisons and now the 370 TI has basically caught up and slightly passed the 4070 TI in performance but again they're not delivering an Apples to Apples experience there they were delivering a uh you know one was upscaled one wasn't uh so now I thought we'd look at 1080p because I know some people might have uh you know a 1080p monitor going for high refresh rate competitive games and still buy pretty high-end gpus that sort of a thing so here we're seeing the 3070 TI is around 60 FPS it does dip below especially in the one percent lows um trying to Max it out at Epic settings with Hardware RT on with a 4070 TI is up over 80 FPS and the 40 70 times at a 43 lead over the 3070 ti so if you're looking at those percentages in the bottom middle there that's what I'm telling you is at the end of The Benchmark run I divided the average result for each GPU and that's what those percentages mean so you can see the overall percentage uplift and we're seeing uh it looks like always a little bit over 40 percent lead for the 470 TI is so far in Unreal Engine five uh here I wanted to look at 1080p High settings with the hardware RT off mainly to see first of all man if the 370 TI was barely giving us 60 FPS uh you know is this even a how is this going to be doing at 1080p in the future Unreal Engine 5 games and the 4070 TI at these settings can give us a pretty high refresh rate experience which is nice we're seeing the 4070 type 42 percent faster and giving us over 120 FPS average whereas the 30 70 TI is still averaging close to 90 FPS so um overall a much better showing there but again it is only 1080p now you could turn the game down to even lower settings but again we want to test out Lumen and nanite and things and the virtual Shadow maps and all of that so we're leaving that on so I thought we'd actually check out 4K resolution and sure enough both of these gpus are struggling we're seeing the 4070 TI um with a 54 lead over the 3070 TI here which was a bit unusual but I would say they're both losing I think the 3070 TI is just getting crushed even more I'm not sure if it is the memory uh remember 3079 only has eight gigabytes of vram but the 47 TI if you look at the memory Statin green the one on the left is the allocation the one on the right is what's actually being reported is used by the game and it didn't seem to be going over eight gigabytes but that wasn't unusual uh lead so 30 17 I just couldn't handle those settings a 407 TI wasn't doing well either so I thought I'd turn it down to 4K High settings and turn off Hardware RT so reduced Lumen settings all of that now the 470 TI is much more playable at over 50 FPS average uh the 3070 TI though is still not getting out of the 30 FPS range and even the 4070 TI is not getting really anywhere close to a 60 FPS experience here and while I say we're using this to test on real engine 5. this is an Unreal Engine 5 game that's designed to run at 60 FPS on consoles now granted not a native 4K um so I'm just saying other Unreal Engine 5 Games could be even more demanding than this I'm sure they will be now like I said upscaling could be used so here we're looking at the temporal super resolution at the Quality setting on both gpus and we're still down at the high settings with nowhere no Hardware accelerated Ray tracing so now we're seeing the 3070 TI actually delivering about a 60 FPS experience and the 4070 TI is much more comfortable up in the mid 80 range much of the time so really I'm not trying to say that these neither of these gpus could be used at 4K but as we test it throughout this video we're going to be looking at but at what compromises to image quality would you have to make in order order to use them at a 4K So speaking of which I don't always do apples to apples comparison sometimes I want to look at like okay so we looked at you could turn down to high settings and use temporal super resolution quality uh what if you wanted to stay at the maxed out settings but use upscaling more aggressively so now we're looking at Epic settings with the hardware RT on and the 470 TI has TSR quality and it's almost able to hit 60 FPS whereas on the 3070 TI even going all the way down to the performance mode which is upscaling from 1080P and then trying to Output a 4K like image it's still not hitting 60fps so really the 3070 TI just can't Max this game out at 60fps uh 4K even with aggressive upscaling but let's move on to another game because while many uh AAA games will be using the Unreal Engine 5 in the future some do their own in-house engine which is what plaguetail Requiem does we're looking at it here at its 1440p ultra settings and we're looking at the 37 ETI at Native and using dlss quality whereas the 40 7010 I'm just looking at at Native here uh one reason there was to show that the 370 TI can pretty much catch up to the performance of the 4070 TI using dlss quality here but also the 3070 TI in the more demanding scenes as we get to towards the end of this run here are the 3070 TI especially as you actually play the game dips well below 60fps at times and not that that is the end of the world or anything but I want to show that just using dls's quality does bump it up here and the 4070 TI is getting a 42 lead once again um which is pretty similar to the margin we saw in uh Unreal Engine 5. now here I wanted to look at 1080p we're not going to do a ton of 1080b testing but we're not going to ignore it here especially on a 3070 TI you might be considering it as a high refresh rate kind of future proof 1080p GPU at this point both of them are delivering a high refresh rate experience is here the margin this time is down to about 39 percent but again we were usually seeing you know low 40s so 39 um Advantage for the 40 70 TI isn't that big of a change from what we were usually seeing now looking at the um 4K Ultra setting so maxing the game out at 4K we can see that neither GPU is really excelling here the 3070 TI is only a little over 30 FPS in this scene and the 4070 TI only a little over 40 FPS in this scene the average is a bit higher because uh during the close-up shots throughout the little cut scene I was using the average was higher but the um and it was it could make sense to use upscaling if you're going to play at 4K here so with the 370 TI if we go to dlss Performance we do get more of that over 60 FPS most of the time experience on the 470 TI I wanted to show two things one is dls's quality on the 4070 tag which we're seeing in the middle which gets us you know well over 60 FPS into the 70s but we could also use dls's quality plus frame Generation Now frame generation does not help you the same way normal frames do please watch my video on it but this is the only game in my Benchmark Suite that features frame generation so I thought I'd show it off it can definitely improve the motion fluidity but they're not real frames generated by the game engine so they don't increase the game's responsiveness and occasionally there can be image quality issues although I actually really liked it in plague tail Requiem and I actually left it on when I played plaguetail Requiem at 4K Ultra even on my 40 90. um but anyway let's go ahead and jump on to cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p ultra settings to start out with and here we're seeing once again about a 40 lead by the end of The Benchmark run when we're comparing averages for the 40s 7 ATI over the 3070 TI now cyberpunk is about two years old at this point but it's still pretty demanding at its ultra settings and it's also going to give us a whole bunch of Ray tracing settings to look at which we'll do in just a second here since this Benchmark runs a bit longer why don't we look at some of the other stats going on up there one thing you'll notice is while the 4070 TI and 3070i have a similar power draw the 3070 previous generation actually does draw a bit more power which I think is interesting considering the large performance gain we're getting at a lower power consumption and once again if you're looking at the temperatures the 370 TI is using the founders Edition cooler which honestly was a little a little uh under performant for the 3070 TI in my opinion so that's kind of explaining that large um you know heat difference that we're seeing there now if we kick on the ray tracing ultra settings both of these gpus are struggling but wait we're seeing the 4070 TI with a 79 lead over the 3070 TI what's going on there we're used to seeing about 40 is it that much better at Ray tracing no what we're seeing here is the 3070 TI running into a vram limit so again look at the green memory um where it shows the on the left the allocation and on the right the actual usage on the 407 TI you see the actual usage going a little bit over eight gigabytes and then if you look at the system Ram which is in blue under CPU you can see that the 3780 TI is using a bit more system Ram so I think what we're seeing here is the ray tracing kicked up the vram usage enough uh the 37 ETI is having its memory get used up and spill over into system Ram which is hurting its performance and why we're seeing the 4070 TI with the 79 lead over the 3070 TI although both gpus aren't really performing very well here which is a little bit you know disappointing to see so one option to try to get things under control if you want to max out the ray tracing in in a heavy Ray tracing game like this would then be to use image upscaling so this game does support dlss so here we're looking at a couple of things when we're looking at a like like to like comparison which is the what the percentage is based off of which is the 3070 TI at dlss quality and the 4070 TI dlss quality which in those settings we see the 3070 TI not over 60 FPS much of the time whereas the 4070 TI is more of a you know averaging in the 80s kind of a range and feels pretty good so if you're willing to use the LSS quality the 4070 TI certainly RT Ultra at 1440p and no real problem as long as you're willing to use dlss in the middle we're seeing the 3070 TI at the dlss balanced settings because that was able to more consistently stay over 6 the FPS although the one percent lows certainly do dip below 60 FPS but again the percentage difference I'm showing you here is based on the Apples to Apples you know dlss quality results where we're seeing the 40 75 with a 48 lead which is slightly better than the low 40s we were seeing in some other settings but not like the 79 we saw when the memory was an issue um here we're seeing 1440p RT Reflections so I wanted to look at okay so neither of them could Max it out at Native with rate with Ray tracing ultra settings but when I say RT Reflections here I'm looking at basically set the game to its Ultra preset and then just turn on raytraced Reflections but none of the other Ray Trace settings uh here we see the 470 TI actually able to deliver a good experience at Native 1440p with the RT Reflections whereas the 3070 TI um is not I'm not sure if the memory is as big of an issue here we're not we're seeing a 56 lead but the memory usage indicators don't guarantee that there's spillover into system RAM on the 3070 time it's hard to say either way getting the 3070 TI to dlss Quality does still give it a pretty good experience with these settings but remember the ray traced Ultra setting would also use interior Shadows Sun shadows and some Ray Trace lighting effects um whereas this is only using the array traced Reflections which are very impactful to the visuals in the scam but you certainly aren't just totally maxing the thing out I did want to look at 1080p again here so at 1080p cyberpunk can still give a lot of gpus some trouble but it looks like our 3070 TI is over 100 FPS most of the time and the 4070 TI is actually pushing into the 150 or more FPS range with a 44 lead over the 3070 TI which seems to be a more typical result from what we've been seeing here now again would you use these gpus for 1080p well I think a lot of people ignore the fact that many people are primarily playing competitive games at high refresh rates I mean there's some new like 500 Hertz 1080p monitors coming out like I understand that that's a thing it's not unheard of to pair higher end gpus with the 1080p monitor but just because people primarily play those single player games uh sorry those competitive games doesn't mean they won't sometimes kick on a single player game and maybe want to get 150 frames per second or something like that so that's really what we were looking at here so I don't want to underserve that part of the market um and then with 1080p RT Ultra actually we're certainly not overkilling the performance on either of these the 37 DTI is not able to max out the ray tracing this game and stay over 60 FPS even at 1080P and we're seeing the 4070 TI with a 60 lead we which again could indicate either just that it's that much better at Ray tracing in this instance or that something's going on um you know holding the 3070 TI back with with some kind of vram limitation um but either way the 4070 TI is able to deliver over over 70 FPS average and even the one percent lows over 60 FPS so if you were looking at maxing out Ray tracing at 1080p on the 4070 TI cyberpunk's one of the most demanding games out there with its RT Ultra preset and the 4070 TI seems to be able to handle it where the 370 TI would need to turn down settings or upscale or both even at 1080p so you know it's it's a little bit scary to look at how demanding Ray tracing can be on grams games that actually really crank them now here we're looking at 4K again but notice this is not 4K Ultra because what I wanted to show you guys here first of all we've already established in the previous testing that neither of these gpus is really a great 4K Ultra GPU so here I looked at what if we stepped down to the high settings which in cyberpunk does give you a pretty big performance boost over staying an ultra here we're seeing the 470 TI with a 60 lead over the 3070 TI again so it's not completely unheard of to see that 60 lead and we're seeing the um uh the overall frame rates though the 407 TI is close to a 60 FPS average but it's certainly not a 60 FPS experience now people on a variable refresh rate screen might not really care if they're dipping into the mid 50s it might just call that good whereas the 3070 TI I think most people would be looking to increase performance here somehow either by turning down settings further or by upscaling or both so even at 4K High neither GPU is giving us a 60 FPS experience now that means that one good option here would be to stay at the highest settings but then enable dlss quality which really renders the game at 1440p and then uses the dlss algorithm to include a temporal data and you know motion vectors and the like to then try try to Output a 4K like image with increased performance now that we're doing that the 3070 TI is giving us more like a 60 FPS average experience although we saw in more demanding areas like that bar it did dip a little bit below and the 4070 TI is giving us a much in my opinion more comfortable 90 FPS average where on a um you know if you have a 4K display that goes up past 60. especially in a first person game like cyberpunk like I said I feel like the aiming and everything camera movements feel so much smoother in first person games and 90 FPS compared to 60. but again they're both having to turn down settings and upscale to get here and now we're seeing that 43 lead which seems a bit more typical so again wondering if the 370 TI was somehow held back by its memory a little bit or something but anyway let's move on to the Callisto protocol so this game certainly is not the most optimized game out there but it's an Unreal Engine 4 game which I did want to test out in my Benchmark Suite it's also one of the most recent Unreal Engine 4 games and one of the best looking Unreal Engine 4 games and this pushes even next-gen consoles pretty far we're seeing a 47 lead for the 4070 TI this is 1440p ultra but with no Ray tracing enabled now both gpus are delivering a comfortable average but the one percent lows look bad on both of them and that's true on any gpui test in this game The Benchmark run here is just very psyche and the performance swings all over the place so it just kind of is what it is in this game if we turn the ray tracing on to the maximum settings we're now 1440p RT Max we are again seeing about a 43 lead for the 4070 TI over the 3070 TI which we seem to see a lot uh here we're seeing places where even the 40 70 TI dips below 60 FPS although like I said the ups and downs are all over the place in this Benchmark and the 470 TI is certainly at leveraging a decent average frame rate also it's having trouble fully utilizing which I've seen as an issue in this game where I feel like it might be getting too single threaded on the CPU when you turn on Ray tracing and yes Ray tracing does increase the CPU load so you can see the 4070 TI frequently under utilized despite being on a pretty high-end system here now I thought it'd be interesting to look down at 1080p with the ray tracing maxed out just to see what would happen especially looking at the GPU utilization again so the 4070 TI again is down dipping into the 80 range even the 70 range we're seeing the 50 range here um it's pretty brutal so and I think that explains why we're only seeing a 20 lead for the 40 70 TI over the 30 70 TI is just that the game is not able to fully utilize the 4070 TI's potential uh due to the rest of the uh you know something else limiting it in this game like I said I'm suspicious of a CPU limit where the ray tracing is too single threaded and is not able to take advantage of the full uh or much of the CPU at all um and again to further show off that it is definitely the ray tracing setting that's doing that if we go down to 1080p Ultra now both gpus are doing much better the one percent lows still look pretty rough at times especially on the 3070 TI but the overall frame rate is very high on the 4070 TI and even 3070 TI averaging over 100 FPS here and again the GPU utilization looks much higher again there are some scenes where it's dipping below 100 on the 470 TI but at a much higher frame rate than we saw that happen when Ray tracing was enabled so I think it's it does have to do with the programming of the ray tracing implementation on the CPU if I had to guess what was going on there now if we turn things on to 4K Ultra settings we're now seeing the 4070 TI once again with a 44 lead over the 3070 TI once again that seems to be the most typical result that we see now both of these gpus struggle in that difficult Corridor with all of the Slime and gross stuff and whatnot that's a particularly demanding area but as we fly through some of the easier little hallway scenes the 4070 TI does pick its average up over 60 FPS the 3070 TI is averaging lower this game does feature fsr2 it doesn't have dlss but you could upscale on the 3070 TI and probably pick those frame rates up but I'd like to just move on how about some Competitive Gaming let's take a look at Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and we'll start out at the 1440p extreme settings and then we'll also look at turning down the settings to what I think would be more realistic for a competitive player to use but first let's look at 1440p extreme to really stress the gpus and that'll help um you know just really focus on the GPU performance and we're again uh seeing a kind of an atypical result here with the 4070 TI with a 59 lead over the 3070 TI um I was curious if this could be system Ram sorry GPU Ram limitation and if you look at the green memory usage we see the 4070 TI allocating almost 10 gigabytes and claiming it's using over seven whereas the 3070 TI is only allocating less than seven and using uh under six but with that large gap and with this uh CPU Ram a little bit higher on the 3070 TI I am wondering if there was something memory related going on there I think this game might like having more vram a lot but if we go down to the 1440p balanced settings we're still seeing the 4070 TI winning by 53 over the 370 ti so it could also just be that this game likes the newer architecture from the 4000 series compared to the 3000 Series there's something about it that it prefers um I believe the 4000 series has a larger cache so maybe it's it likes cash anyway we're seeing the frame rates a lot higher here overall I think this would be more representative of what uh you know competitive Call of Duty players might actually use now this Benchmark run goes through a multiplayer map The War Zone 2 maps can be more demanding and can also bring in a CPU limit a lot earlier so do be aware of that if you're more focused on the um on the Battle Royale side of things um I did also want to look at 1080P and I even went down to 1080p balance settings because like I said I think if you're using gpus like these at 1080p likely you're playing pretty competitively which means you're probably turning down settings and shooting for very high reframe High frame rate so we're looking at 1080p balanced we're seeing the 40 70 TI with a 51 lead um which is again still a bit higher than what we were seeing more typically in a lot of those other games and then the overall frame rates are pretty high for both gpus a 30 70 TI would be very at home at 165 Hertz monitor whereas the 40 70 TI looks like it would be more at home maxing out a 240 hertz or more monitor which I know a lot of people would be looking for so if you're kind of thinking which of these gpus could max out my high refresh rate 1080p Competitive Gaming at least in this game something like 165 on the 370 tin 240 on the 40 70 TI kind of makes the most sense now I was curious what would happen if we looked at this at 4K although I did go to 4K balanced settings rather than 4K extreme because again I'm acknowledging that this is a competitive game so even if you're playing on a 4K screen you might uh you know maybe you're mostly interested in single player titles but then you do play competitive games and you don't mind turning down the settings a bit in competitive games um then in this case we're seeing the 40 70 TI actually giving you a you know honestly I think for people who don't take it that seriously you know if you're getting over 100 FPS most of the time uh you know you know sure you could get more of a Competitive Edge if you turn things down more and whatnot but like I think most people will be pretty happy with that performance if you're not super super competitive and even the 3070 TI is mostly over 70 FPS although we did see what that big explosion it actually dipping below 60 FPS and once again the 4070 TI has a 51 lead over the 370 ti so this game certainly seemed to uh favor the newer 4000 series architecture but what about other games well I took a look at Forza Horizon 5 and we're looking at the 4K extreme preset and we're seeing a 54 lead for the 4070 TI over the 3070 TI so it's looking like this is yet another game that at least at 4K extreme settings is preferring the 4070 TI a little bit more than we saw typically and once again if you look at the memory and RAM usage I think this could be the 47 sorry the 3070 TI hitting up against its eight gigabyte limit now it's giving good overall performance around 60fps a little bit over most of the time but if you look at the memory allocation on the 4070 TI you see 10 gigabytes allocate allocated eight gigabytes actually being used and if you look at the system Ram in blue there's more being used on the 3070 TI and less green memory right vram use utilized on 370 TI indicating to me that I think it could be spilling a little bit over into the system memory and causing some of this larger performance difference here so by turning it down to 1440p at the extreme preset we're now seeing the 4070 TI with only a 45 lead although that 45 lead is more typical to what we saw in other games and the other thing I'll mention is that we'll actually see the 40 70 TI um GPU utilization dipping below 100 at times like down into the lower 90 at 90 percent range which isn't terrible but also if you look at its power consumption it does feel like the um 4070 TI is not being fully utilized here so we in other words there could be a bit of a CPU limitation at these high frame rates where you know both gpus are delivering very high good frame rate experiences but the 407 TI is pushing so high that there could be a little bit of a CPU limitation starting to come in and reduce its lead so I thought I'd look at Vulcan as well so this is Red Dead Redemption 2 which despite being a few years old is still a very demanding game although you know nothing like an Unreal Engine 5 or something like that uh but also like I said uh this is a game that you can run in Vulcan so I did so we could get some Vulcan performance here and we're seeing the 4070 TI which with a 39 lead uh which while being a slightly on the lower end of what we've seen again around 40 FPS 40 uplift did seem fairly typical I you know just I'm not showing you the averages or the one percent lows on this one because this Benchmark has several load screens in it so running my MSI afterburner through those load screens would mess up the results so I'm basing the percentage difference off of the average that The Benchmark itself reports here at the end which was basically 90 FPS and 124 FPS respectively now I thought we'd look at 4K and since the 3070 TI was dipping below 60 FPS at times obviously one option would be to turn down settings what I'm using here is the 4K settings but then I just slid the overall slider to the favor quality side all the way to the right um the 4070 TI was giving me a good enough experience I didn't bother trying upscaling the 3070 ties dipping below 60 enough that I thought I'd also try it out with dlss quality which is what you're seeing in the middle although when you see the relative performance percentage difference what you're seeing is the native resolutions compared so I'm not using the dlss version in the percentage difference I'm giving you which is only a 34 lead for the 4070 TI which is again lower than what we're seeing in a lot of situations which is interesting to me and again I'm basing that off of the um the average result that The Benchmark kicked out for me at the end because again I wasn't using my MSI afterburner through the load screens all of that but this is a fairly long Benchmark run now I also thought we'd take a look at a DirectX 11 game so again trying to get all of our Graphics apis here a God of War being one of the more recent and better looking dx11 titles uh we're looking at 1440p Ultra first and in this case we're seeing the 4070 TI with a 37 lead over the 3070 TI and both of them are delivering very high frame rates although do keep in mind that during this opening cut scene it's a bit easier to run than most of the game although I'm using it for the side by side capture as Kratos turns this corner and is holding this log and you would actually get camera control here um the instantaneous frame rates here 85 and 111 ish respectively is more typical of what you'd see in actual gameplay those averages are a bit higher although I'm giving the percentage difference based off of the average at the end of The Benchmark run which again is only 37 percent now if we kick it up to 4K Ultra settings I am seeing a 42 lead for the 4070 TI over the 3070 TI um which is again a bit more typical of what we saw so maybe this isn't just a dx11 thing uh performing a bit lower here we're seeing again I said The more typical result once again with the 370 TI dipping below 60fps I did try it out with dlss quality and again that's not used in the average percentage difference I'm giving you but just for informational purposes the 3070 TI is able to get close to the performance of the 4070 TI if it uses dlss quality which at 4K does actually look pretty good um although the 4070 TI is still faster even giving the dlss quality to the 3070 TI now the last game I was going to look at was Horizon zero Dawn this is another game that originated on PS4 and it has a pretty long Benchmark run here I'm just showing you the tail end of it both gpus are doing fine at 4K but the 4070 TI is only 25 faster than the 3070 TI on this Benchmark run which I thought was interesting even at 4K Ultra settings so it can be a bit hit or miss on the exact percentage difference between the two alright so we've seen a ton of benchmarks we've got an idea of the performance Delta between the 3070 TI and its generational uplift up Leaf uplift to the 470 TI but let's give some final thoughts on that as well as the value of the cards now when thinking about the value of the cards there's both the price new but some of you might be actually and some of you guys are thinking should I upgrade from a 3070 TI some of you guys are thinking about uh should I buy a 370 TI or a 470 TI well the MSRP of the 3070 TI was 600 and it was created size as being a little overpriced at that because it wasn't a huge uplift over the 3070 with a 500 MSRP but anyway but we should also think about the current market value of a 3070 TI both used and new now I'm looking at jawa.gg here to look at some sold listings to get an idea of what these things are actually selling for on the used market and I'm seeing from 475 to 500 sometimes a bit more so it looks like we're kind of in this 450 to a bit over 500 range so maybe a market value of 500-ish dollars on the used market and again the MSRP was 700 now wait I'm at johnwood.gt they're actually sponsoring today's video so I should actually talk about this a little bit because if you are upgrading your GPU you should seriously consider selling your old Hardware to uh to make back some of that money right this will offset some of the cost especially with gpus getting so expensive that's actually helping keep the used value of the older cards up higher so selling them would be a great idea you might want to really consider selling on jawa.gg I'll have a link in my description and yes I am sponsored by them but I actually first found out about Jawa through a um I actually watched a bit wit video that was not sponsored he I was asked by some of his community to hey I've heard about Jawa they're kind of a new place to buy and sell PC gear uh are they legit and he built a whole system there and really was uh pretty happy with the uh was actually very happy with the overall service um and one of the best places it could improve is actually just getting more people on there selling they're very fast growing and you actually have two options if you want to sell so you can do the listing yourself where you manage the listing and pick your price or you could sell directly to Jawa and you tell them the GPU model condition they give you a price within 24 hours you ship the GPU to Java they receive it inspect it and pay you but again you can list it and manage the sale you're self as well now overall this is really cool they're fast growing and you know if you're concerned about like okay so why are selling Java instead of doing something like eBay uh well eBay does have good uh seller protections so does Java so seller protections we use Best in Class fraud prevention measures so you don't get scammed but also you get to keep more of your money because eBay takes a huge cut of the sale so we have some of the lowest fees on the market so you could compare fees and and again I think I think you'll find Jawa a very attractive option and again this is uh you know where places like eBay and whatnot are big lightly all sorts of things are getting sold there one nice thing about buying and selling on Jawa is the um it's really gaming focused and really PC gaming Focus which is awesome so if you want to sell your old GPU check the link in the description here but again we're using this to establish the kind of used market value here uh looking at these sold used listings um but if we look at new listings we could pop on over to PC part picker and a 3070 TI right now and PC Park I know it doesn't find the best deals available and all that it searches a lot of new price listings and 37 DTI is new right now are actually selling for overall I don't know if they're selling these prices but they're listed at over 700 please don't pay that for a 370 TI now as recently as a few months ago um you were you were able to buy them at their MSRP I actually bought one for my channel this was before I was getting review samples I bought a 37 DTI for the channel at MSRP from Best Buy it wasn't super easy but they were available and again that MSRP was 600 so definitely don't think about buying a 30 70 TI new at these types of prices a 470 TI um new right now the the one of the things about the 470 TI is it's been widely criticized for its high MSRP for a 70 TI class GPU um so a lot of them have not sold out despite this video being filmed fairly close to launch there's a lot of these available in the this one actually just says notify me the one's actually MSRP but a lot of these are actually available so like new in stock from Best Buy at 830 dollars these are actually available if you go to the site it's not a mistake uh so so 40 70 guys are actually available at around that 800 price point so now let's start doing some uh analysis on these prices so the first thing I've done here on my handy dandy calculator is 800 divided by 600 why am I doing that well that's the msrps and we get 1.3 repeating so basically the 4070 TI is a 33 MSRP increase compared to the 370 TI right so it's a 33 generation on generation increase now what that means is so if you had complete pricing like value per dollar stagnation it would be taking the MSRP of the 3070 TI which again I'm going to stress was criticized as not even being that good of a deal when it was announced at 600 if we multiply that by the 1.333 whatever basically um that would get us to 800 dollars so but what I'm saying here is but we got more than a 1.3 repeating um MSRP up not sorry performance uplift that's the word I'm looking for so let's think back to our benchmarks that we saw right I think the most typical result and the results we saw in new engines like Unreal Engine 5 was around a 43 uplift so basically it's 33 money for uh for 33 more money for about 43 percent more performance if we're just looking at Apples to Apples comparisons and that would come out as basically if you multiply the Baseline MSRP of the 370 TI by the performance uplift basically the gpus that are selling at about this mid 850-ish dollar price point are basically just complete pricing stagnation compared to the 3070 TI now some people I've seen this in my comment section some people defending the price of the 4070 TI by basically saying it gives you about the same you know it's it's just a just a linear uplib you get more performance for more money why should you get more performance for the same price well why should we because that's how PC Hardware component components have always worked and that's how CPUs are still working right basically from generation to generation you usually get the successor at the same or similar price but offering a significantly more performance meaning that when you look at the performance per dollar you get a more exciting uplift than this but what I will say is my testing does seem to indicate that the 30s that the 40 70 TI is slightly more performance per dollar when you compare msrps so at least it has that it's just a disappointingly low Improvement on performance per dollar and getting a 70 TI class GPU at 800 just feels really bad overall now further thinking about value we should get into the the fact that the um the 4070 TI does have slightly less power consumption and still it still has 43 better performance so that's good we also saw some situations they were limited where the performance Improvement was more than 40 um and one of the places where we saw that was when the 3070 TI seemed to be running out of vram the 3070 TI only has eight gigabytes of vram and the 4070 TI does have 12 gigabytes of vram and while I've heard some people criticizing it as 12 gigabytes of vram is is too low you know the competition offers more more gigabytes of Euro that's true but if you aren't running out of the like vram only matters when you run out okay as long as you have enough you're fine and in all of the testing that I did I did not see the 4070 TI coming close to running out of vram now maybe depending on the games you play I've heard like certain games especially when you mod them things like that might have more vram usage and there's also the future to think about but when you think about is it enough vram think about the 3070 TI the places where it was running out of vram was actually places where even if it had enough vram its performance would be low enough anyway that you'd probably turn down the graphic settings remember that reducing Graphics settings and or using dlss actually reduces the vram like with dlss you're rendering at a lower resolution so it does reduce the vram we saw this at 1440p you know cyberpunk uh RT Ultra that we saw this huge lead for the 4070 TI because it seemed like 370 TI was running out of vram well you yeah but the 370 TI even the 4070 tie wasn't getting good playable frame rates at those settings so I guess what I'm saying is I think the eight gigabytes of vram is a legitimate concern moving forward on the 3070 TI although turning down settings you could probably keep it under control whereas the 4070 TI I really do think 12 gigabytes of vram well it would be nice to have more isn't really going to be an issue for many people in gaming workloads now productivity workloads that's another thing but if we move to productivity um the 47 DTI does offer right with the new 4000 series gpus uh you are getting the av1 encoders now you're getting that from AMD and Intel as well but like compared to the 3000 Series uh the new generation like I said is more power efficient and it does have av1 encoders which is really nice if you're going to be live streaming once live streaming services actually support it and then for other productivity use cases it could help some people but many people aren't going to be using encoders so it doesn't matter to them anyway the One gaming the main generational gaming difference um feature wise between the two series is the frame generation for NVIDIA for the nvidia's 4000 series class and it's really frustrating that it's locked off of the 3000 Series and people are debating whether that's a real limitation or it's just Nvidia trying to create reasons to buy the 4000 series but regardless of whether it's a marketing limitation or a hardware limitation it is a limitation where only the 4000 series does have frame Generation Now do you care should you pay more money for frame generation because Nvidia is really trying to justify the price of the 4070 TI using frame generation so first of all I wouldn't consider increased performance it's increased motion fluidity and I've done a whole video on this topic so I don't want to bog down on this but the main thing is usually when frame rates go up you have two major improvements the fluidity of motion especially with fast movement and the input latency the game it becomes more responsive frame generation helps the motion fluidity but it does not help the game responsiveness and has a small actual negative input to the input latency like meaning making it slightly worse although I don't really notice the slightly worse thing but in other words if you could play the game at 60 FPS then use frame generation to go over 100 FPS the input latency will still feel like about 60 FPS maybe a little bit less but the motion fluidity will feel more more like the 100 FPS right um so that's what it that's how it helps um but in a Competitive Gaming environment you probably wouldn't want to use that for the latency reasons but a lot of single player games I liked it uh the only other reason why you really didn't want to turn it off in a single player game is image quality concerns so in certain games there's problems with HUD elements and in Spider-Man he moves super quickly so I didn't really like how it looked moving over a lot of the fast moving backgrounds the AI image would oftentimes look bad enough that it was noticeable to me um but in a lot of other single player games like plague tale Requiem um I actually really liked using it and and like Witcher 3 and it helps out in CPU limited situations so I'm actually very positive about frame generation I just don't like how Nvidia markets it as frames that are somehow equivalent to other frames which they're not because they don't help the game's actual performance right they just help the motion fluidity which is a good thing though um anyway so I do think it's a selling point so my overall thoughts here are first of all do not buy a 3070 TI at these price points uh well a 37 ATI right at these price points hey did one just come in stock a little bit lower anyway and then um the 4070 TI is uh it's a better value than the 4080 like price per frame and the better than 3070 TI but it's still just very expensive and I feel like we just they seem to be sitting on shelves I think if you wait it's going to come down it just has to come down and I think some of amd's competition could come down too so if you're more interested in seeing a comparison against like the 7900 XT I did a different video on that so feel free to search my Channel or maybe I'll remember to link it up here and like I said though definitely consider buying and selling used um if you want to offset the the cost of buying your new GPU if you have an old one to sell do think about selling and like I said uh Java sponsored this video today and I really do think it's a it's a really good option to take a look at um either selling directly to them or or listing it uh for sale yourself on that so take a look at that link in the description let me know what you guys think about the 4070 TI 3070 TI all of that other cards you'd like me to compare it against let me know in the comments and I hope all of you have an excellent day

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Published: Wed Jan 11 2023