T.D. Jakes Interviews Keion Henderson | It Crushed Me

a world renowned humanitarian and pastor pastor Qian Henderson knew who his biological father was the problem he was never acknowledged Isis first of all thank you for being here and allowing you to me you have had an amazing career I want to talk a little bit about that and the amazing things that you were able to do as a pastor when you look at your accomplishments let's talk about the Lighthouse Church there in Houston when you look at the lighthouse is doing two services now in one of the locations and one other location yes so we've got three locations total that are coming for all together so it's two in Humble one in Katy Warren and Sugar Land in one downtown that's amazing over the lads that all happened over the last seven years all right yes seven years and three newest locations of happy not in the last six months and year 37 37 37 years old do you ever have to pinch yourself I've got a mentor who has taught me to pitch myself recently because historically I've not have paid attention to accomplishments and I just recently found out why I really have spent the majority of my life living in two locations either past or future mm-hmm very rarely have I ever lived in the present then recently I read something that said that the ego can only survive in the past or the future and it doesn't survive in the present and I wondered whether it was false humility whether it was fear insecurity rejection and then I recognized that it was a composition of it all and then one day you told me to slow down and recognize how far I'd come and then to use you as a marker and enjoy the distance mm-hmm instituting those two realities has helped me to really realize how far I've come and then looking at you tells me how far I've gotta go you know when you witness you said something that was really profound about either living in the past or the future and not the president that ego only survives either in yesterday or tomorrow not not in today I think that's a very very interesting concept on one hand of when you look at the future it is always in front of you it looks optimistic it looks sometimes intimidating it looks exciting is is that the egotistical part of it that I'm gonna end up here is that why he goal ends in the future because it desires the future according to its own vision yeah so you know the majority of individuals would define ego as arrogance I heard one person say ego is simply more than an acronym for edging God out and so when I speak of ego I'm eliminating the probability that God had worked these things together for my good or that why did I have to go through that you know questioning the process which is egotistical in in in us in a sort of way and I'd have to be honest that that anger that that drive however you define it it helped me in sports as I play basketball growing up it helped me in football and basketball didn't serve me as well a minister because it wasn't a competition so to a degree it is the vicissitudes of the past they gave you the drive to go into the future absolutely yeah I've got it I've got a lot of Nuggets back there a lot of anger a lot of history I had the pleasure of seeing you speak with Max Lucado not too long ago and you he had asked you about your pain and and thinking that because you're this awesome character he says what why were you not bitter and you said I passed by there yeah I had these places that I passed by on the way here number one of being born to a mother who worked at Taco Bell making seven dollars an hour raising four children living up the street from a father who passed an enormous church and drove brand-new cars every two years let's talk about that I want to get down into that because this this is really about the you you're just a perfect example of what I wrote about when I wrote crushing because a lot of people would see you now and they would see your success and they see your multi-site locations they would see you commanding the pulpit with authority and power and and and all types of people following you your leadership at such a young age so if you're talking you're 38 now and you've been doing it for the last seven years so full of thirty-one years old so now you have been welding the pulpit in such a way that you have amassed thousands and thousands of people some from the very upper echelon of Houston right down the grassroots people look to you as pastor for direction for guidance they would never think that you had come from a time in your life of apparel 25% Millennials were born in single-parent homes so that's a particularly single-parent homes with mothers single mothers raising children your mother was raising for working at Taco Bell minimum wage for kids barely getting by a little bit of money I've seen the pictures of the house it's a substandard housing all the odds are stacked against you you should you should have been a drug dealer you should have ended up in prison you should ask that you pants man yeah that's that's good that's good to know so you were seeking options trying trying to fill a gap because because you were exposed to church early okay and served in the church and served your pastor yes and you were his adjutant yes eh how long was it in your life that you served as it just purely as an adjutant without any understanding that you were related to him oh my goodness well that that's it's it's a loaded answer because I served him all the way until I got my first is my first assignment so I found out he was my father at 12 okay so I wasn't little stop right there because a lot of people just gasped okay you served a pastor as an adjutant and at 12 years old you found out that your pastor was your father yes sir how did you find out well there was an event at school and it was a father-son event called dads and doughnuts and went to the event and saw all of the dads there and just decided to go home and ask my mother one day who is my father and I went home and I asked her and she looked at me and she paused and I know her I know my mom mm-hmm I know I know her I can see her sitting here and she's a hundred miles away but I know her and I knew something was wrong and after what seemed to be an hour which was probably 10 seconds she says dr. Brooks is your father all of my siblings are in the room at the time they say nothing I ran out of the room screaming because for every year that I could remember I used to pray in which he was my father because he was this quintessential example of what a father should be I saw him taking care of his other children I saw him building a ministry I saw him amassing wealth I saw him building apartments for the less fortunate Community Development Corporation's he was a multi-site Church in the so I saw this growing up and the moment I found out honor became hatred well because I couldn't figure out how he could tell everybody every Sunday what they needed to do with their families and I witnessed him not do any of that for me and I got angry and so I asked her could I confront him and she said yes I went to church he used to shake hands down at the bottom of the pulpit the old Baptist Church mm-hmm I went down there and got in line and waited on my turn to shake her pass his hand and I asked him I said can acts you a question when nobody's around he said sure as I was his little guy I mean he I could see now that he had preferential treatment for me but I didn't know what all of that was and so we went out into the fellowship hall and I looked him in his eyes like I'm looking at you and I said are you my father he said yes I said when were you gonna tell me he said eventually I didn't know what he eventually meant mm-hmm I didn't know what that meant and so I said do you mind if we set up an opportunity to speak he said yes that was on a Sunday he decided Wednesday would be good he had a Jeep Cherokee I never will forget he picked me up from my house 204 West 15th Avenue picked me up from my mother's apartment put me in the car we start driving down the street and I had a list of 12 questions and I asked him the first question the first question what would you tell me what the first question was how does it feel riding in the car anticipating a conversation that is so important to you and totally uncertain of what the answer might be what what were you feeling I was nervous very tactful to ensure that I would present myself as a son that you could be proud of making sure that I made no mistakes so that way when this conversation is over you will grab me and you would take me back to that church and that you will tell everybody this is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased I anticipated you had a vision I was gonna go I did it didn't go good he died in January of last year and it still never happened he never allow it you know when you tell me what the first question was am i as good as your other sons Wow so you felt like his denial at that point was your fault like maybe you maybe he was ashamed of you yeah because he was married when I was born and my mother was a member of the church and my mother was the only child at that time who had had children out of wedlock so she was a black sheep she was the only woman who only yeah only woman in the family and everybody else was married and everybody else was upward mobile and doing all of this stuff and here my mother is no education to children by the pastor of the church and so that was a hard thing how did that translate into am i as good I'm just hard by the first question we've never talked about that it sounds like to me you questioned your value or his value of you yeah how do you respond he responded by making a u-turn and dropping me back back off at the house and telling me that I was going to upset him before he had to teach Bible study he never answered the question I got out of the car and went back in the house so the reason is shattered it's in one line yeah and your shattered yeah crushed Christ you go back in the house and how did that make you feel about yourself what I initially felt was a responsibility for my mother because she warned me so I spent all of this time pursuing somebody who was absent overlooking the woman who was present and she warned me that it was in that way she told me you're not going to get anything out of that but I pursued it because I thought I would be persuasive enough present myself enough see I've got brothers that athletes one brother's an athlete so I know my dad's if he plays semi-pro football you love athletes dad I scored 12 points last game so that's what the origination of the question was am I good enough because he coached my brother's football team but he had never come to one of my games so you associated performance with acceptance yeah and maybe still do if I dig deep down in there well even your performance to me says that what I did mattered that my life is still very much performance based I didn't have any feelings about him initially it was about my mother after we had our talk and everything calmed down what impacted being mad at him I didn't realize until I was this age that I needed to have more grace for him than I did before I arrived here so is some of that feeling of confusion about my disses like your superhero your server there's a special bond between the adjutant and the pastor I mean the only guys who are good at that the only way you can be a good adjutant is that you love the pastor yeah you absolutely have to love him oh it doesn't work so you love him and then you found out this this object of your adoration it's your father I mean your dream came true you asked you know I wish he was my dad and and and now you have this conversation and he takes you he turns the car around brush you back home drops you off and says you're gonna upset me before I have to preach as if that were more important than you again again something else is more important again so you got crushed again what was it like because you didn't leave that church your mother didn't leave that church you know your sister didn't leave that church and and we haven't even talked about this she was also is down how could you sit there I I admired him as a pastor I don't know what it is about the way my mind works but I admired him as a pastor so much and the hope that one day we could reconcile I learned to just wait I hoped that every time he would sweat and I would wipe it off of the back of his head or if I got him the Gatorade that he used to drink afterwards other Ricola that he would put in his mouth because he had a very raspy voice or whether it would be to put his cape on because he used to wear robes and I will put the cape over his shoulder and I would tuck a towel inside of the robe and put the cape on and and lasso the chain I just hoped that one day I would serve him until he accepted me and he start to do little things I started preaching at 14 he let me preach my first sermon ten minutes before he preached that Sunday which is something I saw him do with my brothers and then he would say this to me which I really didn't know how to take whenever it would he would say something about how proud he was of his sons mm-hmm he will come to me after church and whisper in my ear say you know I was talking about you and so I learned to survive on those broken pieces that's funny because that's the kind of thing that a man says to a girlfriend you know you know chick on the side you know you know I was thinking about you so so he's feeding you this line and you're getting the scraps that fall from the table when you speak of your brothers you're talking about his sons that he acknowledged yes growing up in a traditional Baptist Church the the first family has a lot of perks and you know they we honor the first family and we're going to do this for the first family and we're gonna have the first family to stand and we're gonna have the first family to come in but she never got to stand you never got to be acknowledged and still you serve what is interesting to me is said in the back of your mind you you thought maybe one day I'll do something good enough that he'll accept me that's a lot of pain how did that crushing that denial that rejection push you forward well first of all let me just say my mother was incredible in balancing what should have happened to me and what did she was instrumental in keeping my mind focused she would look at me she say son remember people don't have to be nice and when they decide to be nice they don't have to be nice to you she would affirm me it's not how you start it's how you finish he'll be sorry day you just see she would just and I would feed off of those things and I think she cried enough for the both of us to answer the question how a defining moment for me was the day that I stopped expecting that it would be my oldest brother dies he dies at 89 pounds this is his son his son okay so this is your older brother secretly yeah who knows that I'm his brother who lets me spend a night at the house as a 10 11 12 13 year old treats me so what God had done is he had given me some tentacles into my family even though I didn't get to go all the way in there I had some connections okay so I've got my brother who knows that I'm his brother and he whether actually are just facade would be upset with me at his house about my father not taking care of me but he would do it so I drove my brother's car to the prom okay well so I've got I've got these tentacles that I'm connected to and and by the way his name is Cato Brooks like my father so my father's our junior he's a third looks just like them he dies I don't know if it hurt me more than it hurt anybody else because my only connection said there's a larger-than-life personality is him and my brother's going and we come to the funeral and I'm in college playing basketball and I get the call that he's died and I get in my car and I Drive back it's a foggy night one o'clock in the morning I Drive all the way back home in my 1996 Buick Regal it's turquoise exterior gray interior dual climate control I can see it how do you describe it so good I could I Drive I get there days past funeral comes and the family is on one side and the community is on the other and I'm sitting on the side with the community and that day I said enough is enough I have to separate from the expectation that this will come or I'm going to have a disdain in my heart so deep that I don't know if it'll ever be able to come out the hope itself is torture the hope is torture you know in your book crushing mmm you talked about how how the the final form isn't the bruise great mmm-hmm and how it's the great is crushed when I read that the Holy Spirit said to me the grape is crushed but the wine expands mm-hmm and it only does it his skin mm-hmm and I thought to myself when I read that that somehow I was modeling that process and I didn't know that not having my father and being on section Aidan even government cheese and not having transportation and send my mother walk to Ivy Tech to try to get a bachelor's degree so she could get a better job and be a manager of Taco Bell which she did and became the manager and hired all of her children and now we're all working at top of the hill and she goes and becomes the regional manager well that's that's who she was right a fighter a fighter and I didn't know that that's what that was but at that funeral enough was enough and I quit hoping for it so much so that hand I got into a fight he tried to tell me say I got married when I was 21 mm-hmm when I think about why I did that it was one statement she said to meet her stuck out she says I'm going to fill the hole that your father never did and I must have fell in love with that statement Wow and I married a woman ten years older than me well at the age of 21 and searching for that right and I invited him to the wedding and he went off on me on the phone you don't have any business married and woman that's not a tada Dada Dada Dada da and I think I would have walked away from ever marrying a woman if he would not have been against it I I know now that I went in full force because it was against the fire defiance yeah and he went off on me on the phone and he told me that he would get in the car and that he would come to Houston and he would take his bed off and that he will work me like I was a child and I said bring it on cuz you're gonna get here and you're gonna find out I ain't little and I'm a hurt sheet hmm and he never came all I was trying to get him to do was come I said everything wrong that a son is not supposed to say to a father to get him mad enough to come and all I was rehearsing if he actually would have came and said you could do whatever you want to do to me you came he could have beat me into the ground but he came any never came and just like he had never come before Wow so you went through with ready went through the wedding I for divorce six months later all right he was right then and he's right now uh you know the funny thing because I think this is a teachable moment because so many men try to apply discipline where they have not applied love and to step into a child's life with correction when you have never stepped into their life with nurture and self-esteem I think that that it's like building a floor with our floor joist your authority has nothing to stand on because you have no history with the child yeah and but you purposely made him angry because she wanted him to be angry enough to care about you enough to get in the car cuz he had a temper mm-hmm I've seen him break two by fours with his hand I've seen him punch holes in the wall after staff meetings I saw him I remember homeless guy came to the church and accident for two dollars and he gave it to him and then the guy came back I'm his adjutant right yeah you remember you remember this briefcase used to be hard and they had thought yeah the numbers on him I used to close he used to carry one of those and the homeless guy came in act for the $2 he gave it to him he said but only if you come to church Sunday homeless man didn't come to church Sunday he came back that Wednesday a Bible study in Acts for two more dollars and and my father wouldn't give it to him and the guy yelled back in the church you fake preacher and I saw my daddy dart after him and he was I was grabbing on the back of his suit jacket it was a green suit jacket with yellow pants I'm grabbing on them trying to keep him from going out there because I saw anger always prompt a reaction mm-hmm again I'm saying anger makes you respond to everything else but me what is it he went back to the crushing what is it about me where I can't get a response respond some kind of way say something do something never happened well it did happen at the end I'm sure you'll probably ask me a parting question and I can tell you how it ended but something did happen eventually you know when you when you look at those crushing moments in the book I talk about the crush things are the catalysts to your future into your destiny they drive you forward they need to drive you down or they drive you forward some people had drives him down into the ground other people drops and forward why didn't you go down yeah my mom was like yours extremely poetic in speech mmm even though she wasn't educated she was in the dumb woman she isn't a dumb woman she always talked to me with the highest regard of language and she said to me you know kion most people don't have enough presence to dissolve the past and she would always tell them to stay present it's good to stay present stay present stay present she says son you can never be angry if you stay present the only time you're going to be angry is if you go back in the past stay present I she drilled that in me and I made it a habit to stay present it's it was such an insta-mom effort but I did it and it got me favored with all kinds of people even my basketball coach who just called me the other day he lives in Las Vegas he wants to come to Houston and hear me preach he told me I've coached guys who are in the NBA I've coached guys who have gone all over the world to play basketball but you're my favorite player because you would listen I just stayed present whether I was playing basketball whether I'm listening to you whether I'm raising my children whether I'm I've just learned to stay present it's the only way I survived one of the things I did is back in those days we had Walkmans and I I had a set of headphones that I got from the Harbor Food Center mmm and I spent $1 on a cassette tape didn't even know at this time who this guy named Sam Cooke was and he had this song and I just recorded it on my album a change gonna come mmm I used to listen to that song every day well and my mother were coming out she would say if you keep falling to see what that Walkman on your neck that court is gonna choke you and I ain't gonna wake you up the song minister to me it was my mentor yeah one day a change is going one day a change is gonna come you're in the car with me let's fast-forward now you're gonna make me cry we're gonna do that I kind of became the surrogate father and you're I tell you you didn't know what car we win no Jeep Cherokee I was hoping you'd make a u-turn I was like don't make a u-turn we're now ready to go to good I'm in the car with you and I'm pulling up the ramp dear for my house was and and I've decided to confront the way you processed what happened between you and your father as being your fault yeah and I'm trying to make you understand that it was his problem it was not your fault and and I'm playing it back to you from his perspective his fear his failure his gross negligence his insecurity his his trapped between his wife his church his image and and his weaknesses what was that like for you when I was telling you that the thing that came over my mind at that moment was if I had to go back into my mother's womb and being reborn and have the same set of circumstances to get to this moment I swear I would do it again you approached me with a tender care that I had never felt from a man in my life I been loved by my mother mm-hmm but I didn't know what that was Here I am in the car with the greatest preacher that has ever lived who has enough time for the guy that the other guy wouldn't come up the street for why me you've got three sons two daughters two million members 17,000 17,000 spiritual children 16 compasses 82 businesses Here I am listening to you tell me how I needed to process it well I can swallow that because you've put the equity in you've you've already built the floor joist prior to that conversation you've critiqued my preaching you have you have critiqued my leadership skill you've affirmed me where I needed to be affirmed you have chastised me where I needed to be chastised you've you've you've done all of this construction work and now I trust you to bulldoze this sacred cow that I've been holding on to I had no anxiety no hesitation confusion because I didn't think you were right because you didn't know the whole story mm-hmm but you were absolutely right and Here I am a young late 20 some early 30-something and you're telling me that mm-hmm and your words to me where you won't recognize the decisions that he had to make until you are in his position and now I am close to the age that my father was when I was born and I understand exactly why he never got in front of that microphone and told that church who I was you know and it wasn't about your performance and it wasn't whether you did good on the basketball court there wasn't about whether you preached well it was about his own struggles inside of himself and and there in the car you wept and when you told me that you would go back into your mother's home and go through all of that again just to have me in your life that brought tears up in me that was awfully hot price to pay to finally get a father but to value a surrogate father that much was overwhelming to what you didn't know is that at 12 the situation with my biological father happens my mother hands me a book that I still have and she gives it to me and on the cover of it it's a father and his little son and she told me to start writing in it she told me to write what I cared about write what I all right what I wanted right my dreams and she told me to do that and I make this list of things that I want and as early as 14 I write in this book I have the book still to this day is falling apart it's it's over 25 years old I will be a trusted son of Bishop TD jakes and my mother would come into the room and pray there with me every day so this is this is 15 to 17 years before I ever lay eyes on you I had the book on me the first day I ever met you I still have it to this day I will lose a lot of things that book I will never part with she gave it to me and in a sense gave me you before you knew I existed because she and I United our prayers and hope that this day will come and it did so that day you saw a young man in the car that had a walking start our running start you didn't know I was in a bullet train coming in your direction and so much steam and momentum was built behind that moment that you were not privy to that being there those emotions I wasn't crying about my father it wasn't him that I cried about I cried because I finally found a place where I could lay the way to side it was relief finally finally I get to have this conversation the one that I tried to provoke him to have the one that I prayed that we would have it's here and I'm grateful for it I thought that that that God had called me into your life to fill in the gaps to show you that you mattered to invest the energy that should have been there I never will forget going shopping with you and I bought you some uh a teen tan you Trouville into the air and you were standing there like you were 12 years old and just grinning and I knew in that moment without you every word saying that then she'd never had a father take you shopping yeah I got I have everything you ever bought me when I won a pretty good i body suit you you bought me these these products used a silver and black when I want to pretty good out for the mall that I brought us a stylist to the house and he you know did a closet clean and took everything out of closet cuz I wasn't there it came to their closet and those shoes were not in there I went through all those bags pulled old shoes out and said these shoes are stand yeah I you gave me what I was missing no strings attached right no strings attached no no desire are acts of reciprocity you and I got until almost the argument at the Castros I'm like no Bishop you can't buy me anything because I didn't know that that was okay you know I had to buy it for you because I looked at your face and I knew I had never seen you look so happy and and and I knew it was a fantasy fulfilled to go shopping with your band and then if I like let you buy it it would have ruined the fantasy so I had to buy it like I was getting ready for back to school he hit a so so that you could have that moment and that feeling was was very important between the two of us yeah and and I promised you and I prayed for that you would have a reckoning day with your father and you did and you get the call that he's fading away and you travel to see him you go in the house with his wife yeah you go in the room where he is fading fast this is the last chance to reconcile he can't drive away this side did you say to him he was eating my first words to him was do you need any help for the first time he said yes so I got a napkin and I put it in the shirt and he ate and I still can see it because he couldn't stand up so he had to kind of chair will you push a button and the chair lifts you up to a standing position he got exhausted eating so in his underwear I walked him to his bedroom which is up two steps into the right and the left walk him around his bed I lay him in the bed pull the covers over him and for the first time I'm in the bed with my father at the same time and I laid in his bed and he began to talk to me and he told me that I was his prized possession and that he was too weak of a man to tell the truth and asked him if it was ok if I recorded this on my phone because I knew this would be one of the last times I heard his voice and he said yes and I have this 45-minute conversation broken up into four segments of 10 on my cell phone right now and he said I wish I was a strong enough man to come to rescue you from the pain and he said I just didn't have it I would have the church and my wife and I didn't know how to choose you over all of that and I understand that now which is exactly what you called it a trap that he was in and he explained the trap to me piece by piece and how are you feeling at that moment happy really I'm happy because because he was tired and he wanted to live I know he wanted to live but I know he was okay if that was it he was 77 years old he was older when I was born so I'm happy at the time he's telling me that then he falls asleep while he's talking to me and Happiness turns into fear because I cannot escape my imagination at that moment that I'm looking at him sleep and I said to myself it won't be long before I see that face again in that position I just knew that that was it I knew it I knew it I knew I would never see him alive again you loved him with everything in me I I never loved somebody I hate it so much I loved him so he took his last breath i facetimed him when he went to the hospital and didn't even know who I was he didn't recognize me but I knew him and he died and then they brought him back and he lasted another few days and I got a chance to see him on the phone again and at this time they had just showing me him and there is really no life in and Myles Munroe said something that I have had the privilege of knowing before their moment he says you should visit your pain in your mind so you're not shocked when you get there and I visited his death so many times in those days in between that when he took his last breath it was well with my soul because I had done everything that I could have done for him to him and with him I had no regrets and I left no stone unturned you did all of that for him and to him and with him and got nothing in return to speak of and yet we see so many people who have everything you ever dreamed of who take it all for granted and when you see those sons what do you want to say to them if you live long enough you will have to confront the reality behind every decision you're upset with and that it is so easy to see another's faults but the real reality of life and the maturity of it is when you're able to see your own I would say to every son who has everything they want and somehow don't have the veracity to be respectful or to be honorable that if you live long enough you will regret that because life will present you with a set of circumstances where somebody has to make a decision about how they feel about you and it would be in all our best interests to not just make our decisions based on those situations that hurt us and those people who are leaving us but to realize that your path will eventually lead this same way my favorite quote is you're born looking like your parents but you die looking like your decisions I'd rather focus on my choices one of the hardest things in in in mentoring you for me was when he died because everything in me wanted to be at their funeral but I knew if I came in that funeral I would have to have remarks and I couldn't think of anything to say that didn't include you and I knew I couldn't say what I wanted to say about you and you went to that funeral and I was worried about you because once again you were not with the family did you get closer I don't know you have it now I do now what River I came to your house a few weeks after different it was over and my wife you remember she fell asleep on your on your chair then you and I talked for hours and I cried again and but that day you didn't you didn't meet me with that emotion that you had in previous times and it was like it was one of those moments it was like alright son shake it off let's move forward let's process the pain and let's tell the story I left your house and I went to preach in Nigeria and I remember calling you at there afternoon which was your morning then you still answer the phone I got a release preaching that day I told the story for the first time and I let it out and the whole church was at the altar and I was leaning up against pastor bill dooms at cause I was leaning up against his LED screen crying and he's standing on the front row looking at me and I was like ah this is it I'm released God I'm I knew that I had closure when I could tell the story mm-hmm and not feel bad about it and I got it in the motherland it was email preached a moment that I felt like it's all over and it was around my birthday in July about two years ago and that's when I that's when I got the closure Wow a year ago I should say I'm sorry the son who wiped the sweat off the head of a man that he could never acknowledges his father though he was the son who climbed up in the bed with a man that was dying to finally hear something that he should have heard when he was a child is now preaching all over the world is now pastoring multiple sites is now only his own businesses you have your own companies you have carved out your own future you have done what a lot of men have not done at 50 and 60 do you recognize that the very thing that made life so horrible is also the very thing that pushed you forward absolutely I do now I absolutely know that now yeah it was good that I was afflicted I absolutely know it now and I absolutely I revel in the fact of how God works mm-hm in that crushing right in in and I remember you standing on the stage one day with grapes in your hand you were squeezing them and and and the juice was running down your hands and I remember you know because all of us brothers spiritual brothers and we cry every time you speak and we were looking at each other and we were saying that's us both the grapes and the juice in your hand and I absolutely know that that pressure makes me precious you know one of the things I also learned is that isolation often leads to invitation that it was the donkey that had never been ridden that Jesus got on the woodland Palm Sunday on it was the Sun that was in the field that wasn't in the lineup wrote my invitations from you and from your friends and from life and the the the consequences of that role full of hell and high water I now enjoy the benefits of no bruises and somebody did drop me but my story doesn't end like the Fellowship's somebody also picked me up and I'm eternally great to you for all that you have invested in my life my children my wife my family will forever be hedged and protected and provided for because of the tools that you have taught me and my hope is that the wine that has come out of my crushing that while you have breath in your body I can present you with a bottle of it so that you can enjoy what you pour it into me Wow Wow you took me aback but that's his as well as we come to the close of this interview I just recently went down to your church to preach is that what you call me it was I don't know what there was uh I wish I could have rented the Reliant Stadium it didn't need it to be 80,000 people there was it was a it was a moment that went around the world I've gotten calls from Australia and Africa and in London people streamed all over the world that moment it was a compilation of vulnerability and the Word of God in Revelation but to have you there to have you in the house oh that was that was a joy that was amazing you are a joy thank you and you are amazing and I am so proud of you I am so very proud I'm proud of what you've done with your life I'm proud of how you rose above the vicissitudes of you vest I'm proud of how you have given back to people over top of your pain I'm proud of how you raised your children I'm proud of how you hold your marriage together I'm proud of how you take care of your mother I'm proud of how you live I'm proud of how you love I'm just simply proud of you and that this is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased it might have come late but didn't even come thank you that's pray together father I think for this life that for whatever reason you saw fit to bruise and to crush and even to a lot to be stomped up under feet that you might make the wine that would shake Nations a great price has been paid it always is greatness never goes on sale it's never discounted it's never a two-for-one you have to pay full price just like you did when you died on the cross you paid it all thank you for this young man and thank you for the price he paid the appreciation that he garnered the effects that he's had and the future that lays before him it's all because of crushed or not you never let go of it continue to hold it in your hand in Jesus name Jesus amen thank you sir Wow amazing

Channel: T.D. Jakes

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Length: 55min 44sec (3344 seconds)

Published: Mon Apr 01 2019