Empire Wars Duo 2 | Grand Final

so leta take it away uh first game of the finals indeed welcome everyone to the grand finals we will have uh aftermath b formerly known as tempo with balls for hera in blue on the north down south is portuguese for larry and green and uh pretty close to lyra's bases miguel with his red frank's to the north of him is dogal in yellow vikings i kind of feel like miguel dugout went for the traditional sith picks and well these are the stronger sieves on paper on this map yeah yeah i think in the when you think about a final you have to think about every single game and you had asked me about the draft originally and i said it's really hard to say right now at this point based on the civilizations maybe hera is going to go for some crazy farms around his fall work or something and it's going to skyrocket his food eco up i don't know but you definitely have to think that miguel and dougal are going to want this one if they're to lose this game they have two top-tier civilizations for their position to start it all off and look at this we've got scout teamwork here from haraleeri good job from miguel he's been able to get the villager away indeed uh we did mention that historically in this tournament herron leader didn't have amazing performances in arabia but that's also applicable to miguel i think in the quarterfinals they played miga had an awful first game in arabia then he played much much better in the upcoming games so we'll see what he can do in arabia here under a bit of a pressure and he lost his berries with franks yeah that that's unfortunately just really common against archer play because they go spear archer so leary he has to have success with that in these finals you look over at hera though hera the scout player did have some problems against the initial spearman but still taking his berries able to drop his farms next to the full work so i think a better start for hera at least as we see miguel now looking for some counter attacks and with the pause you really need to secure yourself against those early arches the beginning because losing control over that for work is massive yeah that's basically your economy bonus so you will need to keep control of that okay well we'll see and i think for miguel he tends to make a lot of scouts on arabia for now that's a small victory there for uh for aftermath to deny those berries the farms are definitely going to be good the walls for miguel will be good dogal has just been mr consistent he always is in team games and dogal will be completely walled up so look for him to move out uh that's a lot of scouts for hera there though eric could consider taking a fight there uh he could he doesn't have a single upgrade on those but nonetheless trading scouts to archers is probably pretty valuable especially because dogo has a very strong eco with vikings so he will probably soon click up and you prefer to destroy those archers before they turn into crossbows yeah now dogal could send his archers over to save miguel but miguel has already taken damage so they're kind of giving up on that instead he's sending his archers forward and they're going to have a little 2v1 at harrah's base alhara he's no stranger of this he's making additional scouts and he's figuring the farms around the poles full work are going to kind of pay for this uh it's a risky spot to invest into farms though as you see the scouts and the archers and the spearmen coming in i think hera could have some big problems here it could he's mining stone so he's doing the polish thing not mining gold for cass they're just mining stone this also allows him to be going for a couple of stone was pretty easily but as you said this is problems for hera you know if they knew his berries and his farms were over there they would have gone there instead they just they just assumed that the rest of his base is locked down arrows able to freely sit there taking that food this is really good for hera he could have taken so much more damage from this push but then again he still could take more damage from this push he's got to be real careful he could scouts are going down now for miguel and as you said herrera is a little bit lucky over here that miguel and dog doesn't know about those berries and that fall work because that would be a significant portion of heroes farming eco-gone still he had to make a lot of quick wars here lost his store mines so that investment into the mining camp is also down the drain but i think you look at how hera wanted to play this he wanted to have a lot of food income he wanted to make a lot of scouts he's doing that and then you have miguel with a similar situation to before in the group stage he's just added a lot of towers so far i'm not able to do too much with his scouts here and leary's going to be the first to castle age the concern here for am is that leary indeed is the first to castle but hera is nowhere close and well light calves are nice and everything but currently all opponents are fully vote and you would have nights soon for miguel so this could backfire really badly here for her although he might find a couple of archer picks here with those scouts i don't know if he will actually because nogal comes in with reinforcements again if dogaw just shifted the other way okay that would that would keep her in feudal age forever hera now with houses to try and you know block this army off but he needs a lot of scouts to be able to engage against these archers and they'll be upgraded soon leader court they'll be upgraded in 50 seconds and i think that now hera's gonna have to go for a defensive start because yeah dagow starts to feel that there is something more to the north and he is absolutely right about that larry is about to hit the gauss gold mine though so the gao is off from gold oh that's a big one here and dog has to block both sides here and he needs that gold hera can kind of relocate his farms good tower to defend leary's been untouched that is a terrifying thing if you're miguel and took out right now it is and the dog is off from gold he can squeeze in botkin and crossbow but this will delay his ballistics and it's not like he has a good backup goldmine to play around with either he has to call his entire army back home to clean this one up that hurts so badly yeah right yeah i think cara really benefited um from them going to the wrong direction hera was able to make this amount of scouts able to stay alive evil able to keep his eagle in a fairly solid state and there he goes on the way to castle h and now miguel is either going to have to send some help over to dogal or he's going to have to go directly to leary to try and hit him leary is looking in his sweet spot right now yeah leery booming on two dc's is pretty scary on the other hand he needs to be careful not to lose his army here because we already have knights coming in from miguel with soon plus two defense and hero is still very far from being able to help hera is helping an attack though right he's attacking some of these units here delgado now distracted on this woodline great damage control i would have lost a lot more villagers here and leery with portuguese sitting at home obviously isn't going to have the economy that really competes with with uh dogal's economy but beery's got crazy army numbers right now 29 crossbows i think miguel needs to take a good fight against these crossbows before leary can meet up with his group at home he's going to try and do that now and indeed he does there is some knights trickling in so this could easily turn into a trap though for leary there is no ballistics though for the gao and microing against leary without ballistics is just a nightmare right well having plus two will be huge here i think it's all about value you are always going to lose this fight if you're hera and your uh and your leery but it's about what amount of time it's going to give you and so i think they'll be very happy with this leary is able to send his whole another army across the map granted it's a little risky but yeah this will get dealt with but heras now has not been punished at all harry can sit at home and full control for the aftermath players now indeed and uh a castle for hera oh boy he wants to spend the night he just needs the unique upgrade yo [Laughter] this is this is pretty crazy to start off a final this way and the entire day i've just had people asking me what are no poles why no poles i'm like ah poles are bad o'hara's gonna show us what he can do with the unique tech do you think he's gonna be able to feel that many more nights after getting that unique tech though i mean it's 500 food 300 gold he can't afford that right now yeah and he's playing one dc 53 vultures three stables though that's my main problem yeah like with such a discount three staples might work out but i feel like he's gonna be set back very heavily economically so if this night flood doesn't work out his eco is going to be a disaster and there's an over chop on the left side whoa there is an over chop on the left side he gets the tech and let's see if he reacts to this hera of course is gonna be looking at some other things and oh boy so now he's one tc against three tcs when compared to miguel and he's losing villagers and he's off of gold yeah being off from gold hurts the most for him he still has a gold trick all thanks to the stone mining but polish knights are cheap in gold cost not but not that cheap yeah i mean you also need farms i mean there's other aspects right if you're you've got to make enough army to make up for the fact you don't have military and miguel's like oh you don't have military i'm i'm just gonna think about running underneath your tc harrah's position is really not strong right now but i'll tell you what leary has a ton of crossbows at miguel's base and miguel i don't think has noticed this because if he noticed it he would have run away so good stuff from leary yeah lyra's got quite a lot here the dc should be able to contain these as doga is heading towards lyra's base though and lair doesn't have that much at home to defend sure is just not getting his knights out once hera starts the night flood this is gonna be really scary though well if you're gonna play like this and and this is kind of a lesson for anyone out there you know you're behind an economy stay behind an economy and get ahead in the other aspect of the game and that's of course military so now miguel being wasteful here losing some knights and hp on the front is really not good if hera is indeed going to be on like three or four stables um good control still and good economy for for the uh heresy team but my goodness 46 crossbows for leary this is like prime leery exactly this spot you'd want him in if you're hera so looking at the ecos that's actually heavily in the favor of heresy and larry was able to idle some of miguel's eco but he wasn't able to kill that many bills whereas on the other side there is a lot more damage done by dokao with those crossbows now it's also you're kind of a little bit on the clock right now if you're low eco so if you're dealing with stuff in your own base it just puts more and more pressure for you to clear that up and then kill the enemy i mean hera's going all in here this is the way you'd have to play it i'd like to see an extra full work or two he currently has 18 knights but there are 21 for miguel so it still seems like the eco is just so important all right looks like it's imperial age time for de gaudo and that's where the viking eco comes in a little bit we need to be careful with those crossbows he also is outnumbered pretty heavily but if he gets to imp here that could potentially snowball the game especially because even cavalry wouldn't save hera even if he gets to him he doesn't have plus for defense and that's where balls will really start falling off oh man they've been so wasteful with their army here heresy miguel losing nights unnecessarily now you have hera getting a good engagement against dogal i mean the eco is there that should be exciting for them but if dogal doesn't have his numbers when he's in him this is going to be problematic leta look at this miguel's gonna pop out that is still so many crossbows from leery he's almost at a point where he can one shot those knights he is and uh hera is just spamming knights all across the map here he's got four stables and as i said he needs some more fall works just to make sure that he is getting that consistent eco bonus yep doesn't have too much on gold interestingly enough so again for viewers that don't know polls actually get uh half the amount of gold as they do stone when they mine stone so hera's got seven on stone seven on gold at this point you just try and hit miguel's production miguel will have fewer nights than hera most definitely if he starts to lose these stables and has to rebuild them and i honestly lita i'm really torn on this right now obviously dogal is going to be an imp soon so it's still very possible for heresy but i'm unsure on if this is the unique tech being very strong or if it was miguel and dougal losing a lot of their army before their eco kicked in i kind of feel like it was more like miguel and dugout losing it because shirting there is 30 nights for a hera but if you look at miguel's kd he's got 32 kills 42 deaths so i kind of feel like right he just lost like the difference between them is pretty much the number of knights lost the pc is gonna be gone for miguel just before wheelbarrow finishes yeah i mean this is brutal regardless at this point if hera adds town centers which he probably shouldn't then hera is going to catch up in villagers miguel only on 2tc actually he's on three but it's all about army it has been all tournament and typically you're talking about leary getting to our burlesque first it's not going to be the case here so with leary on the way now to the imperial age there's about three minutes for dogal to kind of push back here threaten leary threaten heroin some way and it seems like aftermath they're just happy to run away from this for now yeah they're more than happy in fact they should just use hera's knights to run straight to the cow's base and just force the girl to chase with the arbol yes i agree with that that's a really good move send the knights over to dogal leary could maybe pull home and i love the castle from leery this kind of stops that all in push from nogal coming to his base the gal seems to be going towards hera but i mean hera already has one castle that does kind of help and harris going imperial age what in the world this is crazy play here yeah i mean that fall work bonus is going to kick in eventually plus the trickle of gold helps quite a bit yeah and the beautiful thing about those defensive castles is that this pretty much makes it much harder for the gao to go for norblas bush from one side so i think it was mbl who did bulgarian town centers to try and contain that these polish castle play is probably just as good at limiting the movement of those arts from the cow will the castle save 51 crossbows though that is a lot of crossbows that are still about a minute and a half away from upgrades air is going to delete his walls as leary's trying to micro and back away here impressive job from leery honestly because he's been able to get a decent amount of kills and he's still kept his mass alive and there goes hera into miguel's eco miguel can not stop this lidacore he cannot he has already lost with all his lumberjacks he's got no food income and even if dogaw's steamroll is uh hera at this point it is going to be an even game and the cow is very very far from destroying hera here yeah crazy i mean not only is this looking like it could be a victory for aftermath but then you have to consider the civilizations i think most would agree franks and vikings are actually stronger and then the mental aspect if you lose this game to what hera and lear you're doing you're not going to be feeling very confident moving forward i'll tell you that much what a performance i think we're getting the answer to our question part of this is the unique deck here for paul's because hero's just flooding out knights yeah once he has this eco set with like 70ish wheels and the unique deck this is probably even better than berber's in the long run yeah i mean it's tough because you have to think about how much eco do you need i guess and you certainly need less so yeah i don't know but for leary he just needed to make sure he got his upgrades he now has his imp upgrades he has more arboles than dogal and his teammate is in the better position miguel is i mean not really going to be defeated but miguel's in the castle age miguel has knights that have the normal cost and hera's got these knights that are incredibly cheap he's also getting cavalier now of course lacking armor sucks but cavaliers still way better than knight it is and especially considering that the the key thing here for him would be mobility yeah because the guy would have a very very slow moving army wow dude again what a statement there from hera and leary i believe they went in there with the worst civilizations and hera really utilized the pole strengths to his advantage there um to me though maybe some first game finals rust or nerves because i thought dog was wasteful with this crossbows and i thought miguel was wasteful with his knights there was a point where they each had like 15 or 20 villagers over the opponent and they continued to take bad fights you're not going to win the final that way exactly i we have to keep in mind that uh once again miguel had a pretty underwhelming game here on arabia but when they played the quarterfinals he had a pretty bad game on arabia and then just finally found his way in the upcoming games and he played like a beast and we have seen it so many times that the team that wins the first game it might just be because the opponent is not warmed up appropriately sure and i also expect heresy to perform much better on their own home maps if you look at the resources right now it's pretty interesting right so you've got hera with the most food which is pretty crazy because you had miguel and 3tc food eco on the other side so using the full works and using the farm upgrades really did benefit hera there using the polls and then you look at his gold collected and doesn't really wow you but then you have to remember that quick math here like 1250 yeah 1250 gold came from just mining the stone and then his knights were so much cheaper so i mean that gold count that food count paid for the victory essentially well played hera indeed that is actually more gold than mega collected and as you said it's a much cheaper to get those knights out for a pause so really hera used pause the way they are meant to be used maybe like yes yes but i think if i were to ask miguel right now like hey what do you think about that game he would say there was no way we should have lost that so i think it uh yeah you are correct in that he used it the way they should be used i'm not sure if it should have had that much success and i hope harrison can kind of push that out of their minds a little bit all right so home apps we have three home apps available for heresy we have three home apps available for aftermath uh go directly to those home maps elita what was so interesting about heresy's semifinal was how it went back and forth you had game one arabia victory for them and then it was after uh sorry suomi home map heresy home map and it just continued like that you didn't see a single loss in the home maps uh so you have to expect that heresy's going to be strong on their home maps here we've got cape of storms forest pond and rockslide uh any any map you think that heresy may be excelled in compared to some of the other ones oh it's hard to say especially because it was a long day so i probably forgot the majority of what happened i think they won their cape of storms game right against suomi cape of storms yes they did yep yeah i can see that working but it's rough because aftermath loves that map hera and lyric just thriving that so much so it's a little bit dangerous to go for that over here i kind of feel like a slower base map like forest bound or rock slide could work out slightly better but rockslide is also tricky because sometimes it turns into two zombie ones yeah and that should be favoring karen leary so maybe forrest pawn is your best bet yeah by the way on the draft if you just look at the order and the prioritization of the civilizations that is killer pick one was vikings they just lost with vikings pick three was frank's so considering ethiopians was sniped their two best civilizations their two most prioritized civilizations they just lost to poles and portuguese with that is really bad and polls were the final pick i didn't even think hair would play with them i thought it'd just be picked so the viewers would be like oh pose oh my god and then you know we wouldn't see him but here we go yeah that is massive value there for heron leery they probably said okay they might even have gone for paws and portuguese just to go back on why they sucked it because they knew that it's gonna be franks and vikings anyways maybe now they were like okay let's try it with these weaker sieves they picked two amazing sims their first two picks but we'll have our better picks for our own home maps yeah so if we're talking if the next home map is cape of storms i fully expect to see cumins here i think that this is a prime position with the draft setup to go for a sieve which can be successful but not necessarily the best sieve for someone else's home map and they picked cumin's really early so i think since cumulative ranges are so cheap now i believe there's some really strong belief uh on hera and leary's side that if you pick cumin's and you make three r2 ranges versus two you're gonna dominate there um so maybe something like cumins combined with ooh i could see cumins and turks truthfully uh for the next civilizations turks is a very underrated pick for that map the dexter pierce armor is really helpful for the cavalry they probably expect heresy to go for hans in that pocket yeah for keeping storms else do they have comer not so much yeah i i can see turks being useful there may be indians is the alternative yep indians could work and on the bright side there's receives that kind of has struggled in some other situations and other maps so but you know it's hard to speculate when there's what 25 sieves that haven't been played yet based on the draft so we'll see we'll find out soon enough as game two is going to start off i kind of felt like game one was a little lackluster compared to what i was expecting here yeah i was hoping for a little bit more but well off to a slow start let's see what heresy can do against am in the second one um okay solida what was your favorite game so far today if you i know it's hard to remember them all but we had a lot of good games today i wanted to ask you that i would probably say either the vietnam strategy b so bad boy and song song versus uh am first game arabia or the gold rush game from the heresy versus sumiset yup yeah uh those were my top two as well in that exact order i think game one from semifinal number two was insane and then i also think that uh i think the most important game was probably game seven between swami and heresy not only was the game incredible but everything was on the line but uh yeah we had some good ones yeah i've i kind of feel like the amazing thing in the summer versus harassing final game was how close that castle came for i think it was the gao dropping that and how much it influenced the game after it was just a nail biter especially in the final game of a very much back and forth set all right well we'll see what what happens in this next game we are assuming an awful lot and i think it would be unfair to viewers brains at this point and unfair to us to try and say what would happen on every single home map for heresy that is they're three very different maps uh so i guess as we haven't heard word yet for the next game did you have a favorite map uh that you've seen so far in this tournament oh it's hard to say in theory we have a game let's hope that d complies okay are you still getting updates from lord pattito on that um yes okay all right and in theory we have a game but these says it's not spectatable it shows up on aoa2.net which means that it is set for spectatable makes me wonder if it's uh a bug vulture restart or something like that okay cool i'm just awaiting updates i just wanted to ask you um my favorite map in the tournament to answer the question that i asked you because i'm boring um i'll just answer the question myself has probably been [Music] okay i think rockslide has been a refreshing map i was expecting rockslide to be worse i i not like rockslide and 1v1s i still really don't it's a little bit one-dimensional but i felt is very it's many dimensional i guess in 2v2 so that's been a refreshing change and then it i guess it's kind of hard for me to pick a second favorite map i think hidden treasures was pretty cool though it's a shame we're not going to have that for the finals yeah that was very rarely played it looks like it was a little too passive yeah for the players yeah definitely not something that you would want here and leary to play on if you're rooting for them hara leery banned that one so kind of expected they're very fast players it's more of a slower map um i was a little surprised to see heresy band riverbelt but i don't think there's that many maps in the tournament so they kind of had to ban one in the first place so anyways to everyone who absolutely loves live games this is yeah this is this is whoo this is why we do rex yeah i mean unfortunately so i'm sure you're probably hearing back from your admin but uh it's just not the easiest to really know when to get into the game you know so i'm working on my end leader i do not see anything yeah we are trying to figure out why d is not the link to cooperate okay yeah i see you posted it you said in theory it says failed to start observing match this map match is not observable okay so based on that they started the game and it it for some reason didn't allow spectators so yeah that's i think they have that's awkward yeah because uh it shows up on aoa2.net and if it has spectators disabled it shouldn't show up i believe yeah thanks to e but you know what we can do we can act like we're watching the game right now oh my god litacorp did you see the scouts on the berries from leery no i didn't yeah it's crazy and three villagers are down leery's clearly tilted what do you think about hera's counter-attack uh well i wish i would see more of that you just i apologize for putting you into such an awkward position you were just like do i really have to do this right now you can just tell me no you don't have to go along with it i'm sorry i'm just really really uh it's fine it's fine i'm with you on that at this point i'm used to it you know two years after the game came out i'm used to it man this is my sweet spot but hopefully we'll get in hopefully we'll be able to uh to see the villagers on leary's berries um should be soon i certainly hope so if you want because i think you're probably coordinating to try and figure out what's going on because you're kind of exactly yeah you're kind of like distracted right now i can just do a little ramble about uh upcoming games here so um i was looking at the draft and i think i mentioned this before but just to expand a little bit more on this i still am really surprised to see cumin's at this pick like this is such an interesting timing on cumin's i get maybe picking cumins around where kimura is or something but the fact that harry harrah and leary of all players prioritize cumin so high as a surprise to me uh i'm also a little bit confused on what we're going to see on the map forest pond for heresy typically you see civilizations like koreans and spanish combined with maybe persians combined with maybe italians byzantines what would they do against castle drops as i look at these civilizations here oh god koreans are staring me right in the face never mind okay okay they'll probably go koreans and persians maybe koreans and mallians would be an option there so it's not too bad yeah i called them harry uh it's what you get when you combine hera and leary you get hairy you you combine i called the heresy team degale earlier or maybe it was mogal i forget but mistakes were made so i guess the concerning thing here is everybody is if they started the game it is possible they are so focused they're not responding to steam messages players probably do not have steam notifications on yeah probably like basically what's gonna happen is that they were pretty deep in the game in fact because it's cape of storms it is very fast fast-paced okay and uh they said that likely the game is over in a couple of minutes wait hold on who said that did hara or leary say that i'm not going to say that because that's a bit of a spoiler that is that is a hundred percent aftermath saying that just saying anyways go ahead continue so um since there is no guarantees that even save and restore would actually fix things okay what we're gonna do is just pretty much wait it out until they finish the game and have the wreck sent to us okay so we can sort of cast it from wreck the magics of live games right okay now imagine this five minutes ago i made up a fake scenario where leary got hit on his berries and then hera counter-attacked immediately after what if that fake scenario actually happens in the game there's a chance i mean i'm more excited for this than i am the rest of the games to be honest because leary's going to be on the front harrah's going to be behind leary's going to get hit because he's too much he's too aggressive and then hera is like okay i'll counter it's perfect it'll be perfect um yeah i didn't give any specifics on who we would counter attack but yeah that's probably a good solution here um and then we don't have to like speed through what is already a very fast game mode right exactly um at this point if we just join up especially on this map which is super aggressive if we do a save and restore and just continue spectating from the where they left off we sort of miss half of the game so probably the best solution uh after you know just having the game functioning as intended someone said if i get it right then we burn you as a witch for knowing the future oh that's funny well you know we'll roll with it we'll figure it out and then for game three we'll start off it'll be it's like we've had a pretty long spec delay with a couple crappier jokes you know this is still standard stuff it'll it's the suspense yeah occasionally and i i don't know but since so the way it works when you're trying to do tournaments on de right is you create a game room every single time so you do not have static lobbies so you can't just host the lobby and say all right get the players in here and then when the game finishes go back to the same lobby with the same settings and everything set up for some reason two years after the games come out we have we're still regressed and we don't have static lobbies so unfortunately what happens is the players have to recreate a game room and sometimes the settings don't stay the same like they will assume it will because sometimes it does and they probably didn't select spectating or something weird like that and i could see when you're trying to focus on playing the games all the sieves all the other things it's hard to remember that so indeed especially because you don't assume that the boom these options just change and you also have two panels that you have to use to set it up so yeah before you host help you have to select the server and you have to select uh if you want specters or not and this is just assuming that the game works as intended because there's a chance that they did everything right and things just went haywire sure yeah so basically guys game is happening and uh we tried to have them save so we could restore and pick up from where they are so yeah oh yeah the game's over already okay so we know it's not an hour long game at least exactly oh spoilers we were actually lucky that this happened on game of thrones that's something like four respawn and we're sitting here for five hours yeah and thank god for that i'll i'll be thankful for that i guess forest pond has given us some really long games so yeah we'll load up soon and what i can't wait for is when we see where they paused because at that point it's going to reveal to me which team said hmm this game is going to be over soon oh god i feel bad for the players to have to pause in the middle but what you gonna do right yeah um in fact actually we're very lucky and shout out to the players for reading their notifications while they're in the game that's right something that's obvious true i wouldn't blame them for just completely muting all notifications yeah i i it's no offense but i would have ignored you and been focused so but you're not in the tournament finals though that's the difference okay listen i mean technically technically we are both playing a massive part in not only the finals but every other stage like leary and hera can't say that they took massive parts in the group stage not every group stage we did it leta we made it yeah that's true all right i'm ready when you are so okay i'm paused yeah two you're pausing two seconds cool let me just get to the same spot we'll act like this is live everything will be good we haven't seen the game of course so we'll roll with it um just bear with me and i can you go to five seconds actually with capture age i think it'll make it a little easier okay i'm at five okay uh on your account we'll hop in and do game number two all right let's do three two one and go all right so another celt pick for leery on the front that didn't work out too well for him in the semi-finals no surprise that hera is is behind him and he's playing as the burmese again a little bit of a shocker with the sieves dog on the front with incas we've seen that virtually every game in the quarters and semi's for him on this map miguel with mongols leader uh apparently we're gonna see a lot of death early and he's going for the hunt so that's now the second best thing you can probably do after hans on this map just go full hunt i think the finns even had their cavalry player going for the hunt of the archer player as well just for maximum efficiency but as we discussed indeed celts are nice and it helps to pump out orchards that you have the lumberjacking bonus but they're not particularly amazing as an archer civilization compared to mayans especially if this game happens to go into imperial we have seen instances of that as well yeah leary i mean he can't have a worse performance on this map with celts compared to the semis i was really shocked to see that so that's a positive this is where you start to see all those armies in the middle and this can snowball really quick losing one scout losing one archer can mean you're down one then down two then down three game does not tend to go on for very long and early aggression from miguel and dougal indeed here they come hero is uh investing a little bit into his fishing eco but that also means that he's not getting the upgrades just yet doga already has plus one defense coming in for him all right well so far so good for brazil in terms of the pressure but they do not have the military numbers yet i mean this is the difference here or there now it's tied kind of hard to tell but i do like the fishing approach from hera thank you him being a little bit faster to that is going to make a difference in about one or two minutes we will have a doc as well from miguel eventually for now miguel is more than happy to take his hunt with the mongols and as you said this can snowball really fast so even these small micro wars that we're seeing right now could eventually be extremely important yeah this these colors are confusing me they flip-flop the colors on both sides but it's not looking too good right now for aftermath good pressure here and good micro from dogal and miguel indeed very very good damage in this one and uh literally is forced to make a defensive tower on his gold mine as you said currently has no archers out here okay so this is probably where we started to contact them saying hey can we please can we please see what's going on with your game leary has again just not played celts well here or had any success with them at least yeah so far it is uh a slight ledger lead for miguel and dougal but the guy is already on triple ranges whereas leary is only on two so yeah this will just make even harder for larry to come back into this one and sort of even out the archer numbers also the scout number is looking better for miguel i do see hera going for the counter attack i was wrong on the berries with my earlier prediction which is pretty sad but harris counterattack could be of some value he gets an eagle kill he's also going to attack the scouts there so some some good uh some good ways to maybe even out the numbers here doesn't have bloodlines though so this fight is not great okay there is the there is the discussion all right sounds good i like how dogal and miguel didn't say to them that they thought they were gonna win this pretty easily but clearly they said to the admins hey we're gonna finish this off easily so let's see if they can actually do that an army of skirms in a team game is just so bad leary's gonna lose all of these things to the scouts and even the spearman won't help that much because those scouts are going to be fully upgraded in a moment and that's a lot of resources down the drain as well for leary right yeah down go the downgo the skirmishers may be a good example to viewers at home as to why you don't ever want to fall into that type of a position in a team game and looks like hera uh has some stuff to deal with at his base lost a villager or two but does have a lot of scouts there he just has to send them forward indeed he needs to ten scouts versus 10 scouts castle age on the way though for the gao and leary is not even remotely close so if dogaw keeps those archers alive then i think this will snowball out of control for uh heresy listen leary is incredible when it comes to that archer roll but from what i've seen on this map in the semis in the finals this is definitely not a map that he prefers i mean that that early pressure that he tends to be so good at is actually been what's been hurting him when he plays on this map and here are now realizing the situation knowing they have to dive trying to getting close enough but great teamwork for miguel and dougal and miguel's always providing that little bit of a buffer and there's the haunt as well for miguel taking his teammates on just sustaining that mongol eco bonus as long as possible hero tries to dive in oh that's going to be close oh what's happening here look at that trap that's a perfect trap well i think harrah can run away right oh yeah it was so close yeah there's still that gap there good luck trying to trap someone in this weird maze of of trees i mean leary is now on dogel's gold they've certainly made it awkward here miguel and dougal they're going to obviously push when dugal's up but they're gonna have to track that down and crossbows are heading straight towards uh harrah's base though that's what could snowball this one very easily because lyric is mostly skirms so really the main target should be hera but there is a lot of scouts coming in here and the guy is going to lose a lot here yeah he's also off of gold so now he cannot make archers he can't get ballistics there's a lot he can't do miguel will help with that but hera now taking losses and yeah unfortunately kind of looks like he's comer so people might get excited like hey hop inside the houses can't do that gg was a fast game hair leary really not doing too well in cape of storms lately and we have a 1-1 yeah we do it's very interesting because this used to be one of their favorite maps to play in the entire not just um previously in the tournament but also previous tournaments as well like tupos this map was actually an empire was do a one as well and this was always their first pick because it's so open so aggressive that you would think it fits their style perfectly yeah i i don't know i think that's maybe a question we could ask after the tournament why do hair and leary seem to not do too well on this anymore compared to other uh teams but again we still haven't seen the real powerhouse civilizations for aftermath game one was polls in portuguese game two was celts and burmese so they didn't prioritize it with strong civ picks i think heresy will be mindful of that of course they'll take the victory but it's all tied up and now we'll see an aftermath home map with probably some strong sieves and it's live indeed it's gonna be live so we have to pray to the aoe gods for this one to work but let's hope everything works as intended now so we're going to one of the whole maps for aftermath over here golden pit kawasana ratacama how do you feel which map should am choose here um i mean have they lost the game on atacama yet i don't think so i think atacama probably suits them a little more than it would heresy uh kawasan i actually i think dogal's been insane there i also think golden pit heresy has been very strong so yeah it's not as if heresy sucks on atacama but if i were you know the coach of aftermath and they asked me and i declined i would say go out to comma yeah i can see that that feels like their most confident map right now especially because kawasan that didn't feel that super strong for uh hara and larry if you remember they played this against batboy and song song and they ended up winning but it wasn't that convincing as compared to let's see atacama yeah and we'll see i want to look at the sieves now so we'll cross off the sieves that were used again you look at where the civilizations were picked for hair and leary i mean there's no real they're not going to lose any sleep over their final picks being losses especially considering the score is 1-1 but on that map we could see cumins again i remember hera picked cumins in the previous set cumins maybe vietnamese i'd really like that cumin's vietnamese maybe even like indians and vietnamese indians to tars could be strong uh yes we have a game so one minutes back delay remaining and we're going to golden pit so okay here's it looks like we're just gonna play a very standard and old school map here but i think that evens things out a little bit because both teams have been around for a long long time golden pit has been in tournaments ever since i have started casting and probably it was in tournaments long before um not really actually like i feel like the first time i remember in the six years i've been casting golden pit entering 1v1 tournaments was one of the nacs um and then i know nilly's always really liked that and then i think i know we included it in the 2v2 world cup which was like a year and a half ago but i think it is fairly recent obviously empire wars is super recent uh and you know it is a little different in empire wars but we see the sieves we'll be in in 10 seconds i think it's much better in 2v2s lita than in 1v1s i prefer gold rush for 1v1s yeah especially because i think the bigger the team game is golden pit becomes more and more fair because on gold rush you sort of have to control that little hill and it's always just one player controlling it on a golden pit it's possible for two teams to have a simultaneous control over the middle and both of them having access to gold yep does depend on the version golden pit also you have that element of going taking the middle doesn't give you a hill advantage which is really cool too so uh we do have some of the sieves we mentioned tatars and burgundians really strong sieve matchup i like that for lyrium hera and then we have saracens and berbers oh man i love saracens and berbers for heresy yeah that is a very nice combination berber's by far the most popular and probably the best cavalry civilization for this map burgundians is sort of the budget burpers here because you won't have the cheap cavalry but you will have slightly better cavalry in exchange so that's something that could potentially match up against the burberry but then there is saracens which it all comes down to how you use them because in the long run tatars will be way better especially for leary but sarah says if you use your power spikes really well maybe hit an early castle age that could be very devastating especially with the building attack bonus yep and if you ever gain control with that building attack bonus the enemy can say goodbye to quite a few of their military buildings right good job for miguel excuse me he's just walling up hera is going to kill a scout there though and we actually have uh the rare occurrence of the scout players being on the same side as each other and the archer players being on the same side so very rarely are you going to see that archers spear forward when you're up against the other archer player from leery andy there's a spearman coming in from hera though that can swing the battle in his favor and the voice for miguel are not complete by far the same thing happened against uh bad boy and song song for aaron lyrae they just just got the chance to run inside and do some damage too i think bad boy at that time uh yeah it was either way it was a really really tough situation for them and good early aggression from hera notice he can't really justify or afford to get the cass lage wood upgrade yet i think that that's something you'd see in rm by an empire wars it's all about saving the resources and really good job from miguel to defend there didn't lose a ville was able to get the walls down you have the exact same for the archer players and you actually do have some movement uh with dogal sending three archers forward yeah the guy will just bump into voice here though larry's gonna have all the wars up and lear is actually making a mining camp on the second gold man that's a a little bit awkward yeah not too bad not too bad sorry go ahead yeah in the long run it's completely fine it's just a little bit surprising that he's already started to take his second gold and just a sign of things to come possibly as dogal clicks up at the same time as leary now what's interesting about this to me lita is i think only tatars can compete with this castle age uptime because of the sheep bonus if you didn't have the additional food on the sheep with guitars in these settings you would have to uh wait for the farms to kick in you would have to farm a lot more so leary's uptime being similar to the saracen player when the saracen player had to use the market is pretty sick and we're going to see some amazing fights between these two tagalog will go for a super aggressive castle issue he's mining stone which means he will use the market very heavily maybe even go four ranges he might be able to do that with the market usage here but he will need something against the thumb ring of his opponent i think well he's going to think that he's faster to castle age and then when he realizes he's not faster to castle then he's probably going to try and rush thumb ring but is really an expensive upgrade especially when you need ballistics so i think this is just going to give leary the confidence he needs uh hera did produce a few more scouts i think than miguel but miguel is going to be up at a similar time and miguel is the cheaper knights but hera does get cavalier available in castle age he does it takes some time for him to research so early numbers will be in the favor of miguel the interesting thing with tatars here on this map is that often times you see cavalry players just going full nights in castle and then the orchard player hitting game there's a whole blast there's a hole there's a hole next to the wood line and that is inexcusable for a final oh dogal oh jeez man that's just disaster and that's just when lee reaches castle so even though he doesn't have crossbowmen he already has thundering oh that's a disaster he has to call off his entire attack he's off from gold oh my goodness that might even be a game losing move there yeah i mean you have to come back to deal with this which means you you have no momentum whatsoever you're automatically behind due to thumb ring you're now behind an eco i mean it also would tilt you massively i would be really frustrated and then you have to tell your teammate miguel like hey buddy it's not looking good over here this is just going to be tough to come back from leary and hera typically are not players who are going to allow you to come back from such positions indeed as still the eco inefficiency shows like he is gonna have a tough time getting rude he's lost six villagers and now there is leary who has been untouched the whole time yep i think dogawa is kind of lucky here that uh larry went for a tc first and only university after so neither of the players have ballistics just yet well i mean he's lucky for now he'll survive longer but he'll be dead even more later on like he'll be deader if that's a word i know it's not but leery's still making use of thumb rings still winning the fight the hole's still there hera just shows up with scouts i mean that means if with 35 bills versus 42 there's going to be a 15 or 20 bill lead for leary in the near future good luck dog i think i mean you fight on here hope miguel can do something but it's kind of over man yeah especially because both of the am players are votes so this knights won't be able to do that much and i love how hero is just sending in his scouts here it's not like it's a massive combat force but if you can get one or two villager kills for their price then that's great value yep yeah two tc's is a little surprising from larry but i think because of his position he he's able to be greedy like that also he clearly didn't need ballistics he's done very well without ballistics maybe he just figured that the enemy wouldn't have ballistics so he says you know i can finally micro a little bit more um yeah no wood now for dougal this is rough yeah larry already has crossbows behind that wood line over there and i mean the initial group of crossbows that went into the base of the gao is still there and i already see miguel's name crossed out yep wow gg yeah i mean the thing is dougal was level with leary at that point he had similar uptime he even had similar numbers he was actually very close to those archers but he assumed i'm walled so i can leave he wasn't walled and one single tile leads to the gg um again that's going to hurt right you have berbers which we both think is the best knight civilization available for them you now lose with berbers plus there's that your mentality might be shaken up a little bit after that loss heresy fighting a lot of uphill battles despite it only being a 2-1 situation right now indeed it's it's not easy for them right now on the positive side of things it's it might be easier mentally to handle this type of defeat compared to let's say playing a two and a half hours long game which you end up losing you might say okay it was a mistake let's go on obviously it's a way too easy loss for a best of seven grand finals and this might bite them back yep we'll see um you know hera and leary we won't get to see their their home maps they're going to have to respond on one of the home maps for heresy uh they have forest pond and rockslide that will be one of the upcoming maps just feels to me like aftermath they've got good sieves saved up they've got momentum they seem to be making all the proper decisions they're probably feeling really comfortable with their position right now indeed uh it looks like we're playing a rock slide next so here's he goes for a slower paced one malay is an intriguing option over here although it was somewhat unpopular i remember against uh the quarterfinal opponents of heresy they played aztecs here yeah and that failed yup that was against dalton slam right if i'm not mistaken yup yup it was against uh tatars and cumins but we won't see tatars and cumins this time because hera just used or leery just used guitars um okay so shall we speculate i'll cross off the sieves here is there anything that jumps out at you that we might see in terms of sieves for aftermath and heresy uh as i said i kind of feel like malay is a very intriguing option over here you can maybe think about something like slavs because this game has the potential to go very late and slaps could be nice mali is an interesting option because you could afford a dock and a stable or so um and mulligans would be a pretty nice combination with the malay on the other side aftermath had portuguese used on arabia which could have been an amazing sith here for archers and even caravals so cumin's is a legit idea i think especially now that uh the other place where i could imagine kum is being used as atacama so yeah either here or atacama and then hmm cummins could be your archers if this one that maybe play indians byzantines could be an interesting option then you play cumin cavalry and byzantine archers but i think they're saving byzantines for forest spawn i like italians yeah i like italians because byzantines like you said probably fit forest pond so maybe pick italians go archers go water can kind of do either um only question is what what cavs civ you might see i mean hara might go for turks i kind of i do like cumin's but it's weird to me that hera would try and go for the second tc like dalt has done before and also to have cumin's picked second when it's not one of your home maps i don't know it's a little tricky but uh i feel like you know lots of speculation i feel like they have something of an idea for the cubans here so something other than just saying okay this is going to be a cavalry sift for one of the maps i feel like they have a pretty special plan for it otherwise that wouldn't justify picking it second overall in your draft yep you think so you'd think so i hope so but it also isn't a very hera thing to just boom on two tcs and you know leary's not gonna do it so i i think that so so you probably are part of the same group but basically when the balance was announced it was gonna happen uh there's a group where uh high level players and some casters and whatnot can give input to try and you know shift things in the right direction not saying that devs always listen and the cumin change had a lot of high level players be like really like did you really need to give them cheaper stables and cheaper archery ranges that's going to be really strong on top of their other bonuses so i think the mindset's at least there that cummins can be really strong just with that game is up by the way so okay in case you missed that you probably want to fast for a couple of seconds here because uh we're already in i just didn't want to interrupt you but yes oh my bad yep yep we'll be in indeed and we got humans it's pretty massive for cumins over here and uh indeed it's debatable if it's too much of a bonus because it makes them a really intriguing empire versus hera with cumins in blue we will have leery as mayans in green to the north is miguel s sicilians in red and hunts for the gown yellow how do you feel about sicilians and huns here i don't think sicilians are necessarily ideal um i don't think huns are necessarily ideal especially if you lose the villager tohara scouts and hera wow great work there starts off the game with a ville pick um yeah i mean like we said with the draft right you're going to have some sieves that are lower on the totem pole i i really liked what we saw from sicilians and huns earlier in this tournament just probably a pick that's not necessarily ideal and oh man again hera is just all over took out right now uh indeed he is those scouts opening is going to be tough to hand off for the gao i kind of feel like part of this hans pick here for the gao is a bit of a copy paste from what we have seen from slam slam went uh ca with tatars here and probably the guy thought okay hans might be a good idea sicilians is interesting on this map because you often times you make decent defensive towers on your golds but you can only do defensive dungeons for miguel yeah yeah i for that reason alone i really don't like sicilians here like that's very expensive and i i'm wondering what the opening is going to be it feels like miguel doesn't know what to do you've got eagles and archers archer's hitting his berries eagles roaming around and even hera is looping over to help out right now so i mean hera's already added stable number two this is what i said he was one of the players that was like do you really want to make stables that cheap he's on double stable scouts already yeah i feel like the ma the question with double stable scouts is not whether or not you can afford double stables themselves it's about can you afford production it looks like hero can yeah and he's even grabbing bloodlines and plus one defense so they really are motivated to do some feudal damage here whereas for miguel he probably just wants to go into castle age at this rate kinda looks like it he does still have access to gold he doesn't have as many as he'd probably want on gold but yeah so miguel's not really doing too much on the offensive front it's always will swing over to another player but the gal does have three spearmen so with the tower with three spearmen maybe he's going to end up being able to defend from hera maybe we then see heresy faster to the castle age and and maybe a little bit of push back if herrera's investment isn't worth it yeah right now that's quite a lot of scouts here and those are going to deny the gold partially for the girl which makes it harder for uh the cav archers which to happen for the gal they only went for one archer and who probably played triple range cap archers right at the beginning i love how much vision hera has over all this but he is going forever futile at this point he doesn't have a second tc he's just going scouts he's killed one villager now here's leery leery's here to help but degau doesn't seem hugely concerned by this just yet he's still on gold he's going for the third range leader so he might be thinking about cav archers he probably is but hero's got a concerning amount of scouts now in and i mean they would just run past this especially if you use that group that harrow has nines yeah it's just chilling i think he may have forgotten about that but does it matter free scouts inside and those who already do the work yup yup i mean certainly doing some damage here i still think it is going to be important if that the other group does some damage a few villagers picked here feels good but dog will have minutes over here in the castle age which could lead to cav archers and a great counter so this is the moment will hara be able to kill with these scouts i think he's got uh he's got enough there is a defensive tower though and with the quick wars and the tower this should be enough for the girl to hold he could sit those three archers underneath the tower and it will range every single builder oh that's true because the god didn't get us in the tower in time to kill the archers now it's a problem dough is up to castle age with some good ca micro he should be good to go and he's very happy that hans have cheaper cavac because he already lost five wheels here wow i mean he'll be completely off of gold he won't have cav archers then he's down to 32 villagers uh miguel can't really help this is really fast crossbow so he will kill every single villager wow and three cav archers won't crack it because heroes got the million scouts here if you run you die you basically choose how you want to die at this point choose your way of death you want to die to archers you wanna die to scouts and it's mixed back for dogal right now what a strategy from harry and leary and we're seeing now why cumins were prioritized so much leery's over here with more crossbows and poor miguel hasn't really been able to do much i mean he's losing his knights the scouts right now yeah the scouts have plus one plus one the knights only have plus one defense but as i said i kind of felt like am has something more for cummins and now herrera will just run past the tc and that probably be his game over honestly yeah i mean it all depends on if you can wall it oh the the gate is too weak a couple of patches ago and hera's gonna be more than happy to just slaughter 15 wheels and be done with it and you can't house while either that sucks so much if you had to sit with houses you could probably save those villagers but it's just too much work to do with just palisades oh man i mean this isn't just this isn't just a win this is a slaughter right now you cannot field many cav archers hera's a minute and a half away from castle age with 50 vills 25 for dogal it just it looks humiliating right now for heresy yeah harris is getting absolutely shredded and this is why the previous game hurts so much because okay let's say that they got outplayed by this strategy cheap mine archers plus the scouts of hera but previous game was just such an easy win for amb and they would move on to match point with this and game one like if this game happens after winning game one which i think they were leading in it's fine the score ends up being 2-2 but losing game one is such a massive blow that i don't know after losing this they can come back from it even based on just the sieves right like you're going to be playing with worse civilizations against the team who has three wins against one assuming you know we're assuming an awful lot maybe miguel's going to carry right now but 30ville lead for aftermath harrah's going to be able to make his own military soon and i think you just need some knights you don't even need to worry too much dogal has 18 villagers and those scavengers have very little upgrades no husbandry which hurts really badly against kumas that will have the faster cavalry by default and since it's cap archers and knights and we don't have a lot of ca camos might also work for hair up yep and literally i think it's just thinking about imp at this point yeah i mean leary's just like how's it going over there buddy and hair is like you know pretty good i got my guy down to 20 villagers and larry's like really only 20 villagers i expected you to get him down to 10 you know like leary he has had some work to do no don't get me wrong but i think it seems maintainable i think he'll probably make a few monks soon get some conversions sahara is in castle age now and as we expected able to defend himself he is he does have plus one plus one on the night same thing for miguel but at this point larry could do whatever they want and yeah they would still win the game era could have stayed on scouts there he honestly didn't need to go castle h he could have stayed on scouts out of the second tc and stayed in futile age the rest of the game i think that would have been slightly bm i don't know many people might argue it wouldn't be because it would actually work well but uh i think the strategy from hara and leary's just been sound there today but certainly the execution from dogal the last two games just hasn't been there compared to what we saw from him in the the quarterfinals and the semifinals yeah we have to add that dog and mega had to play a really exhausting semi-final against suomi and sure enough heron leary also had to play a pretty long one against accm or not acc and what am i talking bad boy and song song just for clarification the two sets were played at the same time so about the same amount of break was available for the two teams but i think miguel's set was or harris's set was a lot more exhausting a lot more of a nail biter whereas probably here and there he could ease down on their tryhard approach a little bit for let's say the final game of that set when they were up free too so maybe they didn't have to stress about it as much as heresy had to i don't i don't see it being exhaustion too much i just see it being all the factors kind of pointing that heresy is going to struggle now i mean look at the draft the draft is just as depressing as the draft can get for a final look at where the losses and the victories were every single top line is a defeat so now you're down 3-1 against the team who's probably favored against you and then you don't even have your good sieves to fall back and then you have okay so cumins and mayans were picked there for hair leary but still like that draft set tells the whole story here it is uh not only difficult to come back from being 3-1 down but it's also difficult with uh that type of a stack we'll see though we'll see i think it's so easy for us lita because we've seen hera and leary dominate in these settings to just assume that they're gonna finish this off now but maybe maybe that's part of our jobs or maybe we're going too far with it you know we'll find out soon enough but hara and leary do have to earn one more victory they do and it's going to be forest spawn which is not necessarily one of their stronger maps i wonder if we are going to see turks and byzantines the same way as we saw it for uh the semi-finals for aftermath because on the other side i think it's probably persians koreans that could be the same civ matchup that bad boy and songs used against uh harry and leary uh if this goes to game seven there's always one sieve that hasn't been played from each draft correct exactly four or five so we have one extra civilization so if we see turks and byzantines which i agree would be strong then we probably don't see spanish so i think like spanish at all if the series continues so i guess it just depends on harris style because harold would probably play the turks or spanish player and um i don't know dude they both get hussar they both get hustle i kind of feel like hera might prefer turks over spanish i don't know yeah that's what i was feeling that the spanish is the naturals if here turks is the okay i'm hera and i can do turks because i love hussars sure yeah well hera is not the type of player to make a castle and go unique unit too much like he he likes stable units right so i think that for that reason maybe he's not going to value tur excuse me spanish is high because he's not going to make the conquistador but then again jerks don't get paladin and you might really want paladin so i think it's a toss-up yeah i kind of feel like it's more about just the spanish trade at the end but yeah here actually use the turks very nice and one of the things that makes it nice is that you have uh the light calves that can potentially contain an early war wagon play as well sure well um in a few minutes lita we'll be able to start the next game sounds good to me ah yes it is right cool um i assume i'm muted on leita's end he just said brb so he'll be right back and uh i will just further speculate on what will happen i haven't seen the games actually launched yet yeah hera might not like spanish too much in 1v1s but i'm pretty sure hara likes to win so i think that he's going to make the decision that's best in this team game situation here i've seen hera have success in this map with spanish and also turks so kind of hard to say the song song what's up song song great games earlier song song having a lot of faith in aftermath here everybody i wonder why songs would have faith and aftermath to win maybe a little bit of experience right but uh guys i've had a really good time casting these games today i am personally hoping to see some improvement from heresy and just see them turn it around get one more victory and just take it one game at a time right no we will not have forced nothing after this no force nothing when will this match be on youtube uh probably never i don't think i'm uploading any of this tournament to youtube i think it'll all be vots uh i believe so anyways i've got a lot of youtube stuff stacked up however i have exciting news guys in on that right oh never mind no more exciting let's see i'll have to tell we have a game so let's go for game number five which could be a decider i certainly would hope if this set would go longer than uh five games here because so far compared to the semi-finals we're getting a little bit of a lesser of a show but it sometimes happens i think i think we had that with hidden cup three maybe for it was it some insane semifinals and then was it viper versus hera that time that just ended up being uh 40 minutes long 4-0 yeah so basically i mean i think it was the quarter-final day of hidden cup three went for 13 hours all the sets were crazy and then the finals it was a 4-0 so it happens i mean it's you're never gonna have lights out games in every single set um i think empire wars tends to be a bit snowbally as well so it can be tougher to come back mentally uh from what i've heard lita from lord patito uh they apparently started game five and it crashed so we will have to wait a little a little bit longer indeed but we see the civilizations turks byzantines versus persian koreans okay i have seen this matchup already yeah this is the one map that seems a little predictable in terms of sieves so most likely we'll see similar approaches in that game uh i'll await their uh their restart but maybe koreans going forward with a castle i think because it's predictable that can actually be pretty good for heresy because i think the cummins thing probably came as a surprise last game right i just i'm not sure the approach can be countered the approach that leary and hera tend to take on this map always takes them to lake castle age with a pretty solid position yeah i can see that um we also don't know what the initial approach of uh am would have been in the semifinals they played on this map because maybe hera was also thinking about unique unit play but there was already voice from the vietnamese team immediately so maybe he just had to change his plans so i think there is some flexibility here for hera and even if he was planning light cav at that time maybe he could go for a surprise castle drop as you said he is not really the one that does it which means that this could be a perfect surprise against miguel dougal just like the cumin surprise in the previous game okay so before we do get into this game when it eventually starts who is going to be the hype man when we see fire ships attacking fire ships uh it's probably you you are the hype man here come on i was trying to pass it off to you i hate fires v fires attack fire with fire then you just roll it back and you repair attack fire with fire then you just repair i hate it yeah you can i'll do the demos you can do the fires no i i'll only do the turkish cannon galleons with artillery against turtle ships wait a second you're telling me that artillery applies to turkish cannon galleons i honestly have no idea wait a second i need an answer on this i think it does but not that you have asked i am not so sure what artillery plus two ranged bombard towers bombard cannons cannon galleons it does what and now that you mention it that much world cup free nilly versus someone wow was it even a team game they played acropolis and nearly had the turkish canon galleons with artillery on that little pond in acropolis that's such a nilly thing to do that is such a nilly thing to do well um wow okay today i learned i honestly didn't know that because you just rarely see that type of a thing but leta you should have committed to your statement you said it i questioned it and then you didn't believe in your statement so now you look kind of just as dumb as me maybe maybe half i'll take that well i i get used to that i get used to it my brain is like a break so all right fair enough it is what it is i didn't have my tech tree cheat sheet out on my other monitor that's my excuse yeah you actually you whipped out that description of artillery really fast so yeah um it's my second thing on my bookmarks bar really on the tech tree do you know what do you know what the first thing is uh uh i have no clue what it's the uh how to turn it back to the old patch document so all right fair enough once you message me for that and i answered in like three seconds with the link yep that's because of that i was like okay let me open my browser copy paste boom you know what my lazy way of remembering important links are for streaming and uh like you know channel stuff casting i always pin it in the conversation i have with that person so i'm pretty sure like i've had many conversations with ducks and robo and i just pin it to our conversation which is very unorganized but i think when i asked you i pinned it oh i didn't damn it nevermind i'm wrong i'm wrong i'm wrong but yeah leeda that's funny um anyways uh no updates on if they've started the game yet maybe someone's crashed meant they have to restart yeah they are about to launch so wonderful we are all good to go so how do we feel about this third byzantine versus korean persian match up i think the biggest thing i dislike about koreans on this map is they don't even have demo rafts so it's really hard to win that water battle early on without the help of your teammates i just okay it is a little weird to me to see hera choose turks just because spanish was available and that trade can be really important uh however i'm struggling to see how you can threaten the strategy from hera and leary as i said before so koreans i think have a losing record like a really bad losing record in this tournament and i think for the most part they've been chosen on forest pond i can think of one exception were they one and that was when vivi castle dropped doubt and doubt was like what it was really confused so um i don't know i prefer the sieves for hera and leary but it's also very easy to say that when hera and leary have dominated the finals so far yeah that's that's something i can agree with i think koreans are mostly used in river belt because of the extra armor that they are getting plus of course the discount so yeah most of the times we actually saw spanish here as the castle drops if but probably in the long run koreans works better because the war wagons just deliver much more power in the long run than skunky stutters do yeah i don't know man we'll see the thing i don't like about this map is just the fact that you can't you don't really have any many options you're kind of restricted in what you can do so we'll probably see leery open on water we'll probably see miguel open on water and then it's almost always expected that koreans are going to do something land related and it's not like you can go for water because you don't get demos i guess you could try i don't know it just we'll see when we're in the game we'll see the positions and of course scouting and and all that stuff becomes very important they cannot just assume uh we have a game by the way in case you haven't seen yep i see it five seconds indeed let's go here and learn one game away from winning this one they were the favorites of the tournament but it would be a bit of a shock for me especially after these semi-finals if harren lyricious theme roll heresy like this it's just it's a snowball effect i think from from the game one victories like you have no idea how much your mentality can shift if you if your game if your whole game plan for your whole best of seven falls apart because you lose that type of a game because game number two is then affected because you don't have certain sibs available game number three is affected and then your mentality is affected and yeah so leary's going to open with a doc here leeda uh hera is going to open with a doc but like i said before i think hera is ultimately just going to stick on land in the mid game uh looks like we'll have villagers moving forward for the gao that's the same thing that they did before just go for star wars they kind of need to do that because hera always has the chance for a castle drop away the turks looks like he's just going to play standard fire galley and miguel on the other side is also playing fire galleys larry is going to do the exact same thing that he's been doing for the last couple of rounds when they played this move the villager in the middle and get the second dock up over there yep it's really smart both for enemy patrols because they'll patrol into that dock instead of be got closer to home but then if you fish after winning water you'll be in a better position kind of looks like dogal bailed on the idea of going forward with the walls maybe he was a little worried that hera might add scouts because herrera did do that at some point in the semi-final um how do you think things shape up with koreans against turks on the left because again i don't think we're gonna see a lot of land pressure from them i think in the mid game it's or sorry i don't think we're going to see a lot of water pressure from them i think it's going to be more about land in the mid game it's hard to say because it depends on what exactly hera and dogaw have on their mind they could just play pretty standard and slow have the gal go for even an arbalest style approach or it could even be as i said castle from either player especially the korean player with the war wagons even if it's not a castle drop it could be castle back at home and the war wagon push sure okay but we'll find out i'm keeping an eye on resources everyone while they're doing other things kind of keeping castlage in the back of their mind do you see what leary's doing right now look at that they blocked the fire they blocked the fire and dogal couldn't get out of there that was so well played from both leary and hera yeah and this is just once again favoring their strengths over here little micro scenarios those are things that they love to do and uh it's your turn to hype a demo um boom [Laughter] amazing amazing you know what i can't wait for i cannot wait for a villager to repair one of these ships i'm just so thrilled oh oh wait a second oh miguel's gonna go oh he sent it oh we got a demo boom wow great and then they're gonna go home and repair the micro oh incredible uh just casual water meta things castle age is going to be in for both larry and tara a little bit faster than their counterparts and there is your repair vulture that you were so eagerly waiting for i kind of like what miguel has going on with these dock locations though that demo is going to hurt but okay good micro but i like how he has docks on either side it's like you shall not pass and you could just stream demos into that choke point at least until castle age then castle age is a little different and he's actually pretty late into castle age here he pretty much had the food well i don't think oh he didn't have the building that's why he's rushing up the market didn't have the building yeah i guess not i guess not i mean he's doing okay on water but the reason i mentioned castle just because that's when fire ships start to peel down these docks a little bit faster however that was a very good defense there for miguel he still hasn't clicked up what's going on here there he goes it's clicked up behind a villager yeah that's very very late yeah and especially because that market was delayed so now he's behind by almost a minute compared to everything that's going to hurt in the water fight yep you've got villagers on stone for dogal so pretty much as we expected and this is kind of my point i don't think you can deviate your strategies too much on forest pond so a lot of this is going to become expected but hera hasn't actually made an archery range he hasn't actually made a stable so dogel will have the luxury to build the castle forward if he knows that hera is not going to make those scouts yeah it's a gamble especially because this is match point so are you risking moving forward and potentially just getting destroyed and losing the set oh that's a big demo that could come in decent micro from from everyone involved there and it still looks like heresy's winning this fight of course leary's going to be getting water upgrades so he'll want to keep his units alive here oh great job easier said than done yeah demo could have even tried sniping the repair vulture that could have been massive as uh lyra is down to only four fargals most of them are pretty heavily damaged as well yep it will be fire ships in a second though but i think the numbers for jogal and miguel are going to win out here regardless and she's not repairing so yeah good job for heresy and we see a very defensive castle for jokel ah he see this is because he saw the semi-final he's assuming hera is going to go for scouts and hera is going for a greedy boom i absolutely love how the mind games are coming into play here like dogal has every reason to assume that hera is going to have scout scouts out there but there are no scouts even if he doesn't he's way less aggressive than the vietnamese players were that's something that i was talking about with project belgium i casted with harris's semifinals with him that both saw me and heresy were really really cautious about every move they make and i did mention that i want to hype up turtle ships here it goes you know it does take quite a few whoa the turtle oh my god did he snipe both demos i think it did that was incredible and we have no demos within leary's dock all right well that that makes the water excitement ramp up a little bit and i think heresy definitely in a solid position to be able to take some advantages and maybe take us to a game six at least if they continue this and this is the moment where i think hera is gonna find that castle that's going to be an important piece of information for him because he immediately goes for the monastery to defend okay i wonder if dogal will realize he's been spotted i mean at this point what you should do in miguel and dogal's position is you should add fish and chips start to fish gain an eco lead from uh all this positioning also the turtle ship could arrange some eco at leary o'hara's base if hera and leery aren't careful um but but let's talk about the land on the left side on the right side they're not really doing too much but on the left side do we like koreans here because you don't have a lead skirm you don't have halb if you're turks you're kind of restricted in what you can make yeah but hera looks like he might be going for an imp here because his resources are looking pretty close to that what i love about the gauss approach is that it's not like it's an all-in castle war wagon push he's going for a free tc boom so it's more like just establishing map presence with those warfaggers and booming behind it he's only five villagers behind compared to hera but as i said herrera could imp yeah and here is mining stone janissaries would still eat war wagons but it takes quite a lot of time to message any series yeah i really i don't even think the castle is for the units except for maybe trebuchets i think what hair is expecting here is what we have seen from koreans virtually every time you see the initial castle war wagons for map control then another castle and then you all in castle age pressure but if hera has a castle waiting at home and he's an imp faster he can just trap down that castle and he can start to push right back so that's actually really slick idea from hera uh as currently he's trying to convert and he gets a turtle ship we have a turk turtle ship let's go that was perfect because he was converting the fire ship and then he switched focus to the turtle and instead of converting a fire ship that was literally one hp he converted a turtle what do you call it what do you call a turk turtle ship turkto that's where the war wagons are going there's a transport here for miguel probably into the base of leery here and transport ship oh yeah i see him i don't know how the wagons can can really roll through there their wheels are halfway in the water halfway in the tree but yeah right to leary's base or hera's base would be really strong and hera is on the way to imp as we expected and then you also are going to see i think villagers coming forward for to gow in a second for a forward castle yeah there's the defensive castle for hair up here needs that castle just to make sure that uh the opponent's castle won't destroy him very easily because he could even go for bombard cannons he doesn't necessarily need trebs yeah it's more about just preventing that castle and then the war wagon follow up from destroying his eco and that's a very good castle that protects through gold mines did those war wagons from dogal wheel the whole way around there how did war wagons get behind wow okay that took a long time and it also took a long time for miguel to figure out where you wanted to put the the other war wagons uhera sees this but not too much harassment here i mean he hasn't lost anything yet he's got a monk to maybe convert one defend him nothing too crazy and leary is in pink as well behind this one i mean the girl has a manganal but i kind of feel like this war vague push has already just failed and it probably won't do much anyways yeah i mean hera's got some idol time era zico is a little fragile because that one tc is idle on the way to imp right so i mean forcing some idle time giving both dogal and uh and miguel a lot of time to boom so i mean there's positives there and i also really like the castle spot for dogal if you would have placed it forward this would have almost been what hera wanted so i think typical for hera though he's going to open with a few bomber cannons and then he'll probably just want to go for hussar here so maybe if i'm don gao i think about uh prepping for some habadir in the imperial age he's prepping for stone walls at the beginning although with heather having a castle a beat art can easily get through that even if those walls go up yeah larry is going for hob and siege to already end i kind of feel like miguel is very unprepared for that you know what was interesting oh sorry go ahead yeah go good god it's fine yeah yeah so i spoke to miguel after their semi-final and i'm i'm good friends with miguel so i i immediately messaged him right and i said well play congratulations you you know he he expressed some emotion he was happy blah blah and i said i think you played your best game in game seven and he immediately responded and said he thought his forrest pond game was his best game even though i think they lost that one and i actually disagreed because i was like dude you were an imp really late that game and i think that's a similar problem here his late imp time could really kill them they lost that game that was the game where max did that crazy comeback with the cavalry yeah you're right conversion's here for hera turks don't really have the best monks takes out the mango they're reasonable yeah not too bad down a couple of monks as well the real danger i think is on miguel's side because he's not even remotely close to fighting off the hub and siege bush here and i mean lee is already getting kept ram and hobby deer it has to be hand cannons for now but byzantine's a pretty nice response to that with skirms as well yeah hand cannons also take a lot of time so we could maybe see something like commanderon which would give you wood crossbows but i don't know if you want crossbows that only cost wood even though it's cheap um i do love the ville count right now for heresy they've got much stronger economy and i also love how dogal has stopped tara from using his imp so hera's kind of switching back into a boom not really pushing and it's all down to if miguel's going to be able to hold from this really awkward and funky push from larry yeah he actually converted um habadir here for himself and uh well it looks like miguel will play chemistry and that means we're gonna have hand cannons here luckily for him there isn't really a lot of hobbit ears that's the only positive i can say about this though dude if he loses these houses he's going to be so screwed look that is most of his houses right there i could see him getting pop capped in a crucial moment but i guess leery doesn't care about the houses he's just gonna go for the tc that makes sense meanwhile hero's got like this crazy simcity farming eco over there he's on six town centers he's full boom yeah he's just for booming uh speaking of house leary was housed for a long time as uh now miguel will really benefit from that higher hp on the version pc yeah no way i think if he repairs that he'll actually keep that up and chemistry is only 10 seconds away so yeah i guess you could go gunpowder here no no problem and then maybe go into something else later on in the game yeah lyrico isn't the most amazing although for hobbit gear spam he doesn't even need an awful lot and he's taking the stone of miguel yeah also denying gold so miguel is on a bit of a timer here to clean this one up and on the other side looks like we're going to have hobbit ears as well for the gao alongside the massive amounts of war wagons i love the gal's position against hera i think he's prepping the right things because if herrera goes for cav archers war wagons are fairly good against that especially with alps mixed in but it just feels like miguel has all these villagers but he doesn't have the villagers working where he needs them right now because of this pressure he's got 56 on wood 37 on food larry has 31 on wood 35 on food so i mean extra wood income is not really pushing leery away and that's what miguel needs to do he needs to stop this from getting out of hand yeah he needs a little bit more time but they probably can sort of get some inspiration slash motivation from max because this is exactly what happened when they played against swami they were pushing somi quite relentlessly then suddenly max just waits waits patiently and then pops out the entire army and speaking of popping out here wanted to go for ca but the war wagons don't wait yeah uh warwagon's not even elite yet they type two take type sorry they kill two bombard cannons and this is all before these things are even fully upgraded so dokao is definitely doing a great job miguel just struggling a little bit but as i say that the rams are slowly fizzling out it's still just halb and ram bomber cannon goes down this is a very weird game on the right side i feel like yeah both players are playing at a different speed on the right side of this map right now yeah a couple of war galleys in in the middle pond will help quite a bit to sort of just damage here and leave his voodika a little bit it's not much as oh my goodness miguel wants to place a house inside the base of hera i think he wants to burn that ball sidewall down and walk into hera's base oh well he probably he probably clicked it there and then it can't get through because of the palisade so yeah that might be something that he was working on and here comes dougal he's starting to push he doesn't have elite war wagon yet but he is trying to go for this push let's see what these sapahi cav archers can do the gal lost so many of those wagons to the castle fire though yeah that castle is full of cav archers but hero needs some more time because he does have partying tactics but tumbling just came in sipahis is on the way and i have no idea how zippahi's cap archers match up against fully upgrade the lead war wagon well i think the difference right now is just the fact that the gauss forcing reaction from hera right away he's not letting hair away but he doesn't have elite war wagon so i mean i feel like the sapahi cav archers are going to do fairly well here it's just will the position be lost um well the castle goes on another traps can focus down the ranges hera only has 29 ca and i think 30 war wagons still beat 29 ca and replenishing this is gonna be a nightmare for hera uh normally he'd open with hussars even if he gets there that's not going to work against albs which are on the fields i think i think the cav archers are trading fairly well considering it's against war wagon which is supposed to be tanky but still the positions lost for hera and leary's he's actually gaining a position on the other side so maybe i shouldn't speak too soon aftermath have the population lead as a team and they do and hera is taking into account the thing is that it's still easier for her to replenish his scavenger numbers than it is for uh dog replenish the volkswagens it's only three castles for him but here is losing ground as you said and if he gets pushed off from the goal that could be a serious issue he's running out of gold at the back of his base the persians just lack so much flexibility if you can't make paladin you're just stuck making generic units with the sieve you can't make arboles either i think leary's taking advantage of that right now but he's got to put his foot on the gas i'm sure hair is letting him know that things are not going too well over here and harris also going to lose two gold spots so the tc goes down that's on gold and the trebs are already camping some gold he is really gonna be struggling for gold and even that wasn't working right and cav archers clearly not enough yeah this is uh just giving me some deja vu for the heresy versus swami set because as you said miguel is really struggling to hold this because he just doesn't have the unit composition to make this happen although he's stacking into cave dude but on the left side hera is dying as well really fast in fact i know it's like who can hold on longer and i think hera can hold on longer as he expands to 50 farms in the back corner just like that i mean i just watched hand cannons go down and now a bomber cannon go down miguel is just disappearing from his main base this is crazy but uh miguel and dog already setting up trade over here that's going to have its effect in long-range elite skirms the famous and very non-persian elite skirms to slow this down i still believe that dogawa has a lot more siege behind this one a lot more beef to just snowball this one harrah's already forced quite a bit back but hera has 50 units hera has more he has tankier units so if it's just stalling i think that hera will be better off but you are right i guess it's arguably the tougher thing to address i who wins pick one right now you can't you can't no takes these backsies leader who wins this game uh am okay you think aftermath are actually gonna do it that's interesting now these elite war wagons are here they've got 6 000 hp you've got tons of tankiness you've also got the alps very tough to kill but miguel's castle is down mikaela's 31 military the skirms are garbo the i mean there's really nothing special about what miguel's making right now for his sieve i feel like dogaw needs to send his new wagons to the side of miguel here because that's the only way they can stop this because it seems like hera is able to stall this out a little bit with just the fact that the gao needs to clean up the production buildings here whereas on the other side leary has five bombard cannons and that just allows a very very rapid advance i honestly what hera is doing with his town centers right now do you see where he's putting his tcs and where he's putting his farms hera is just relocating eco a little faster than miguel so keep an eye on the ville counts and keep an eye on the resources but oh here comes hussar and that's actually a lot of hustle for miguel and it did not give time for leary to get any helps out he of course had them earlier but now suddenly when this many hustlers show up they will force these units back and that's a lot of bombardment that would be an insane amount of value lost here for larry if those go down and what's even more important is that it buys time for heresy and buys time for the gao to snowball the north yeah also he's adding keeps to fortify fortify the position excuse me i also love oh excuse me bombard tower but i love how he's always had four trebs he doesn't show up with just one he always shows up with four there is somehow a stable and a half for miguel on the far right and yeah it's not gonna do much but it could be just annoying enough to once again buy time for miguel who is going full thrash now elite skirm hassar ahera trying to take out the trebs not able to take out all of them harass pop still looking good somehow the team populations are 360 to 360 and they're just they're gonna go full 360 around the map at this rate everyone's just going to start losing their base oh he's out of gold though so he doesn't really have anything that stops this now versus on the other side miguel can slow this down at least with full trash yeah it's not going to work in the long run but what can turks do without uh gold especially when your food eco constantly needs to be relocated yeah i mean hair can do it but i'm beginning to believe that heresy are going to be able to hold on and take this one miguel is now doing a better job at holding and yes he doesn't have a significant units it has been awkward with persians but dogal has just stepped it up and remember he was so good in the semis he's so good in the rest of the tournament and then it just really hasn't had his finals so far heresy are not gonna go away quietly indeed they won't and they are forcing those bombard cannons back literally also needs to be very careful not to do lose those and looks like clear isn't even noticing those facades inside his eco because he lost quite a lot to them and now cavalier for miguel also 66 military for dougal that that helps a lot as well he's got a good mix here 40 war wagons 20 to 30 halves in front from time to time so really not giving hera any opportunity and this is producing from castles so if he makes more fortifications forward uh specifically castles he'll be able to make more and now leary's backing up and yeah that's a sign that things are looking very very good for heresy yeah we have a dc on the far left coming in for miguel and they also have trade setup it's not really about the numbers right now probably less than five a lot of war wagons have gone down actually look at the trade count 28 trade cards for megan to go that's also very promising zero for uh am right now yep yep yeah that's one thing i wanted to check up on thanks for noticing that i mean it's not just the units at this point it's also the affordability of the units if this ever gets to a point where hera is out of gold as you mentioned earlier straight hab will be the answer i mean props to hera i think investing in the trade would have also been kind of a mistake in some ways but miguel's about to complete paladin i think heresy are holding on they do and when miguel gets to pardon and he has the god for hand cannon even body in hand cannon is probably the strongest unit composition that you can find yeah yep certainly with persians except for maybe fully war elephant i can't forget about that uh the gal losing some of his mass here but he took out so many castles tara somehow still just having the confidence he's like i don't care about your bombard towers i'll just make more hussars and hold on to this ball of cav archers but yeah breaking through this one for hera is gonna be next to impossible and uh remember that the hair the gold mines that hera has lost are now in the hands of the gao that also buys a lot of time for the guy to establish trade yeah he does have to get more war wagons though because currently there's a lot of oh when the bomber tower got denied but currently there's a lot of ca so straight hub won't work i think now this is where miguel starts to shift into some success on the other side now that he is paladin he's going to take out everything and if he follows this up with siege then suddenly leary's in the back foot and those are persian pardons so they deal extra damage against archers as well expensive bombard cannons going down and there is still two sneaky villagers on the right side for miguel just right getting a couple of capped rams in probably to try and bash through those walls and on the left side hero is not pushing forward that's their problem yep he's kind of stuck he can hold really well he can defend really well but he's now in a position where he needs to push when leary was pushing everything was fine with defense now the roles reversed i mean it took miguel some time but maybe they were just holding because they knew they had trade i mean they of course didn't know that leary wasn't trading with hera and that hera wasn't trading with leary the trade is officially kicked in now and if you can afford only paladin you're going to be fine if you're miguel and population efficiency starts becoming a factor when you need food eco food eco trade trash units from byzantines are just not efficient here population buys when your opponent is flopping pawdins and we already have stables on the left side coming in hero would struggle really badly against pardons with just ca here yeah i think the only thing i'm missing from miguel is five to ten sea drams if he would have brought in sea dreams already he would have taken out the castle you would have taken out the buildings um again props prop sahara hara's population is looking really strong but they have zero trade so i i mean they're not they could just call the gg here if they feel like they're dead because they're up 3-1 you know they could say whatever we'll move on to the next game but here and leary are not that they're continuing to fight they're not looking for an easy way out of this what is basically a black force game at this point yeah sort of but uh now they're setting up markets they're hoping for a long game here but as we are speaking harris is getting closer and closer to the corner and herrera won't even be able to build markets there because all the space is occupied by his ranges and farms i think pretty soon dogal will be floating the resources to maybe go for sea jonathar uh or just obviously he'll have to start with onager he's been sending gold over to miguel i notice as miguel uh maybe fell off with the numbers and is researching cdram but yeah i really like to see some siege on manager from koreans you don't get to see that too frequently especially with the unique tech indeed here is still doing a beautiful job preserving his scav archer numbers as larry now goes for a bit of a counter attack but this is where the trade really kicks in for heresy i believe 67 trade up for a long long time yeah you know i think that hussar and cav archers with turks is actually not bad it's not awful against the wagons the real issue is just that dokao always had traps with him so it was like you know 55 60 40 something like that for for dougal in every fight it wasn't the most convincing engagement every single time but man did he take out those castles he took out all the tcs i mean compared to leary on the other side leary had more of an awkward time pushing miguel and i think miguel had an awkward time defending from it but he did defend from it scores 3-2 and we do get one more game at least indeed dokao has killed 73 buildings and only lost two lyri in well leary had 61-9 so that's nothing to be ashamed of either right yeah that was a good game i mean not the longest game we've seen on this map before do you think that it was a mistake from leary and hera to not invest into any trade because they still had full corner control i still believe that i would have preferred spanish here because if we think about spanish for this situation that means that they could have dragged the game out longer the problem here with turks is that if you're out of gold you only have hussar and especially if leary's occupied on the other side you just run into habits with the hussar and that's exactly what happened yeah harold would love to raid with those but it's nearly impossible even if he somehow gets through those bombard towers there is a very narrow chokepoint that he would need to use to get into dogawa's base yeah no i agree i mean hey that's a little bit of a a motivational game for you as well if you're heresy suddenly you look at this 3-2 score line obviously everything i said is true about the sieves earlier but you just take it one game at a time you say you know what we won that game we we outplayed them we outsmarted them whatever we can win this next one uh it will go to one of aftermath's home maps and if i'm not mistaken we've got two left and yes we do lita so i don't know if you have guesses i have a guess at which one they'll go for what are you thinking akama yeah at this point i feel like am wants to finish this set they don't want to bring it out to the sider game it would be epic though if we had a decider game because as i said miguel dugout played every single set to the decider game yeah and won all of them so yeah that's a comma send a message right i felt like that rock slide game was very message sending like hey we own you we dominate you and uh i think we might see something similar not to comma a civ wise i'm gonna start crossing off some of the sieves used but let me know if anything jumps out at you uh i think bulgarians is a must-have here interesting okay i feel like slavs are just a little bit underwhelming especially because bulgarians for kawasana are a little bit and you really need that uh early blacksmith upgrade slabs are just too generic as a scout civilization for atacama i believe for empire wars so you probably do bulgarians chinese maybe or malay could be an interesting idea but i think they're saving malay for kawasan it's a little tricky i'm with you it's a little hard to place the sieves at this point in the series for heresy but they'll figure something out i think the good news is for them they can place a good archer and as good scouse on this map and then also on the next one so they've got options there uh for am well if you can forget about spanish at this point i think i think it's out of the question yeah i think spanish will no longer be picked so it's just a matter of when khmer vietnamese indians and italians will be used i think khmer makes a lot of sense here because you can hop inside of houses if it gets messy and i could see you know either italians or vietnamese being picked by leary would probably make more sense to pick vietnamese over here because if it's atacama because you got a bit more aggressive map less likely to fish whereas for kawasan most people are fishing anyways might as well use italians and i think that khmer would be the straightforward pig for atacama which would make life very hard for megan to go because raiding khmer is just so hard it is very hard i feel like hera would play good there at the same time you do you cannot only rely on hopping inside the houses with khmer we have seen tourneys won and lost with that so i think you know still make sure your focus is on making lots of military and you'll be in a good spot with that sieve i like bulgarians though i like that pick for atacama get the blacksmith upgrades nice and early try and get a head start with some of the aggression and some of the scout wars the one thing i've noticed and it's really weird and hard to really pick out why it always happens but i feel like every single atacama victory in this tournament has come down to the archer player not like one archer player not taking a lot of damage so i mean you would think that everyone would get hit but it seems like the archer player if they can survive to a point or not get hit at all they're almost a a player that cannot be threatened in mid feudal it's very interesting yeah and so far what impressed me about leary on atacama is that he was always able to keep all his groups of archers alive yeah compared to other players those archers get picked off by a couple of scouts and this is why larry always reached castle with a mass of like 30 or so crossbows versus the opponent said like 10. added to the fact that hero is so good with the scouts and this is going to be a tough one for heresy but i think i think if they win this somehow i mean heresy then i would say that they might have the better chance in the final game because that would be a statement taking away potentially the strongest map of uh aftermath here okay you know what i'd really like to see and this is from either team i think this is going to bring a lot of success the archer player should go to spear to archer or two spear one archer immediately did the scout player and then the other scout player should also follow to the scout player i want to see an early 2v1 situation because i think that could just devastate someone uh and of course that could even happen on both sides but like doubling the archer players a little tricky i think doubling the scout player more awkward to deal with in the early stages indeed and that could very well be a good game plan for heresy because if you remember for example the i think am versus vietnam semifinals when hera got doubled by songsong and bad boy that's where things started to go bad on the arabia game yeah so yeah leader is amazing with archers but if he's forced to chase that's the best way to just eliminate him from the game just not let him fight yeah it feels a little weird that i would say double the scout player when i said the winning players always had the untouched archer player but i think you start off with a scout player it's easier to threaten them early and then you immediately shift that pressure back towards that archer player it's a little different outlook but it also depends on the player positions too um where the players are positioned very much matters and how these things are possible if you have scalp players facing each other on one side it is actually more difficult and more time-consuming for the archer player to go diagonally across the map so um that would be an approach thing indeed looks like uh it's going to be slabs and not bulgarians as things stand yeah i don't hate slaps because in the mid game you're farming eco kicks in so i really don't hate slavs and maybe they want to save bulgarians you know they did pick it rather high some people asking why no spanish well spanish are you're pretty much set as going for the scout roll then if you're gonna go spanish because they do not have crossbow and i just feel like slavs and bulgarians are better and uh actually i think i'm looking at the wrong draft but whatever is remaining with with sp uh heresy's draft or oh god dude help me out here aftermaths draft would just be stronger than spanish yeah that was the spanish at this point cannot do anything for them so yeah that was the only map where really spanish could have made sense was probably for respond maybe just very maybe rock slide but anything else it's it's not even a thing i'm actually disappointed not to see canberra in the finals now we have a bit of a down time i want to ask you about the map oh you know because it wasn't seen too frequently i feel like that map was not really figured out uh i didn't love it i didn't hate it i mean we definitely saw some interesting games i remember when glb played on that that was fun but i find it um i don't know i think i would have to see a few more games if i had to rank it but it was solid yeah it's actually a crazy map my favorite game on that was our war versus white wolf palace when our tried to go sicilian transport ship castle drop oh no i saw that one oh yeah yeah i saw that one and i mean it it produces entertaining games let's put it that way um i just i think sometimes the the crazy yolo strategies while they have a high peak in terms of entertainment if that works is not always the case so you got like greater highs but greater lows on that map and not as many like solid games in between but what a way to try and beat a stronger opponent right yeah absolutely all right it looks like we'll have a game in a moment okay cool cool well it's been a long day for us lita how you holding up i'm good i'm used to hidden cup days yeah man especially because like uh you know now that i'm in the u.s it's a little bit easier it's only 7 p.m true back at home those hidden cup days you mentioned 13 hours when you start 3 p.m your time and you stream until like 4 a.m that's where it's getting rough dude that is that is a struggle for me when i go to europe to cast events like it is so weird to not start at 10 or 11 a.m i don't know how like i definitely struggle having to cast at these times around midnight or one so i'm hoping come red buolo that the days aren't super long but we'll see i'll i'll figure it out all right we have a game so let's jump inside and we will have slavs and chinese after all for miguel de gaulle looks like they forgot the spec delay here okay so we'll be right in this nice yep uh make sure that you have probably fast forward a couple of seconds so we're in sync and the vietnamese for commerce for lyrium hair i kind of feel like i like the am sieves a lot better yeah i don't know about a lot better i i really think it depends on how it's played out here and yeah we're we're in uh now let's look at the sides here you've got miguel playing slabs and he is up against the archer player leary so notice his reaction he immediately starts the tower because we're probably going to see the spearman archer for what i talked about now let's see if maybe they do a little combinational play you see where hair is going there is actually heading over towards miguel so i think they're kind of going for what i was thinking about we could of course see the exact same thing from dougal and miguel i run literally want to team up their scouts on the berries you see the green pink from larry telling okay that's the berries yeah and harry's bringing his own scout they want to double team the very villagers of miguel here and miguel does have a spearman close by but it's apparently running away here yeah he does not see it he's currently attacking leary he will get one bill there so good start for miguel especially if he gets out of there without too many hits from the spear we now have a pause at a really awkward time because miguel's being attacked in two different spots and i hope this isn't for a hot key issue or something like if you tried to to do something really fast and it didn't work i mean rip uh yeah by the way hair actually trapped the scout of the gao on the right side with a little house that's something i'm just noticing so as you said o'leary lost the vulture to the scouts but he's probably about to pick off at least one for miguel so that should be even um not too sure i don't think miguel will lose one yet right you've still got plenty of exposed villagers for miguel they're on the wood line as we're back in business oh herod that's a mistake i mean he was fighting that scout that he trapped he lost the village and then he deleted the house and just let that scout go oh man and now he's an archer here also at the same time miguel did lose a scout i mean this is crazy you cannot expect any of these players to be perfect in these situations it's just so much happening at once to me it looks like miguel's going to take more damage though he'll lose another villager now though gal hasn't been hit yet leary hasn't been hit yet so again the archer players have not been the focus yet and uh for now hera can just protect those villagers against the raids this is where the khmer comes in so so useful and idle time is still better than losing those wheels as you said market coming in here for miguel i wonder what he's up to with that he can't just sell his stone he's buying stone for a second oh jeez we've seen this before haven't we like having to buy stone is so rough here looking at the ville counts i know it's not great for hera but miguel down to 35 as well i see a whole lot of yellow over at harrah's base though we still have pressure here from nogal and he's getting some good pick-offs on the scouts picks off one more another one spearman getting some hits those scouts aren't upgraded and it's the efficiency that of heraziko that's sort of suffering from this one he's got to chase with a lot of vultures here still able to go for the second stable and he does have a forging coming in first instead of the defense upgrade miguel goes for the defense upgrade instead oh wow um bit of a mistake here not paying attention to the army is leary leary will lose the spear and the archers and yeah heresy are looking like they're in a very good position the only thing is leary's been rather quiet and he is on his way across the map right now he is but he only has one spearman escorting his stuff and the question is what can the guy do to preserve his archer numbers now because he's about to lose quite a few here on the left sure yep could be the same for leary heresy actually has similar military numbers right now and dogal is now bringing in more archers and more spearmen towards hera who's got to be so annoyed by this and dogal will see leary's army and should be able to defend from this but oh wait no dog didn't know about it leta i take it all back he loses two archers his villagers are exposed and vanish aftermath oh boy that's very very bad there still hera is also going to have a lot of idol time on his farmer so mass producing those scouts is going to be a problem and miguel now going bloodlines and he's about to hit harrah's food line oh wow i didn't even know hair was there that's crazy well hera this is actually a correct response do some damage with villagers and just buy time for your own scouts instead of just running and that's good from hera he'll actually win that fight he'll stay on the wood line could have been way worse there yeah he's got the barry villager's idol the one i just kind of feel like hair doesn't have the resource income right now to mass produce scouts so soon we could see miguel over taking in scout numbers hillary on the other hand will be the first to castle age yep and that's that's the thing that's the thing when's the last time we saw an army in larry's base lita we have probably at minute zero yeah like right away probably the first one yeah larry has 18 archers as well once again he never really lost a big group of archers that's what just makes it so special if you remember dogaw he lost at least one group of archers but on the other hand if miguel just goes for scouts here they could just run into lyra's base and i think this would be the time to do so yeah i think i mean they have to respect harris scout numbers that's the problem they have to respect harris scout numbers because he he's obviously known for pushing forward but he's in a position to as well and so so dokao excuse me it's just hoping to go castle age here but he is going to be behind leery which is not going to be good for them man leary has more villagers working or will when his tc is producing bills again he's vietnamese he's got amazing archer numbers yeah he does he does have plus one defense just like the gao on the other hand the leader wants to be careful with those arch numbers in the middle losing those would be a disaster for him but hera he is going to push the distracted dog when the cow's gold mine is wide open yup miguel's taking damage now the gal is taking damage leery still not taking damage at home and they'll take this fight this is a fight out of heresy's desperation they realize the situation they're in and leary's going to be okay with that he still has solid archer numbers he still has an army coming from oh wait no villagers are heading towards the middle uh but yeah just death and destruction everywhere at heresy's base now those villagers might just run into the archers and scouts here for larry lost quite a lot of villagers here on the gold mine but larry now has crossbows and it looks like that this is probably going up here for larry it won't be scouted in time by miguel and gao yeah and i mean here comes crossbow here comes bodkin you still have scouts hitting dogal he's losing more villagers everything is looking like this is going to be going towards aftermath here man it's just i i do not see what miguel and dougal can do to come back from this yeah it's 12 scouts versus 16 and what's more important is the girls got six archers and this is what i highlighted with larry all the time it's impressive how he's able to keep his archer numbers alive in this small group archer scenarios that's not something that dugout was able to do and his arch numbers slowly fell apart yeah just a little bit more activity from from hera maybe with the scouts it's really hard to say i would need to re-watch these games because when they play atacama it's almost the same thing herrera falls behind but hera is mainly the focus and then leary's able to get to this position and then very hard to stop very hard to come back and now at this point the gal can't even comfortably take golds how is he going to compete with crossbow numbers when he can't comfortably take a gold uh he cannot really do that and what's even worse is that hero scout numbers are still better than miguel's one despite the fact that miguel has taken way less damage than hera did and it looks like it's a mass migration for the gao he might want to buy a hundred stone for a dc here honestly on the goal that would be a life saver yeah but he can't finish it he cannot finish it oh man there goes the pills and there they've been spotted by hera oh no dougal yeah that's just sadness especially when the crossbows come in the scouts are the small problem the crossbows are the real problem although the crossbar numbers are pretty close here no ballistics on either side yep more scouts coming into the woodline so dogal's got double trouble now leary is defending himself so he's taking a little bit of damage but nothing crazy and uh feels like dogal and miguel are probably in agreement that this is pretty over but they're just trying hoping that maybe they can do it and no they tap out as many expected aftermath hera and leary just too good on these settings they're the champions indeed congratulations to them and this is where we have to go back to how easily that golden pit game was lost yeah i mean there was absolutely no guarantees that the heresy wins that but there was such an easy loss and that could have been the thing that makes it a free free set and into a decider game yeah yeah i mean we kind of called it i think heresy they needed everything to go right today and in the first two games everything that could have gone wrong went wrong they lost game one with great sieves uh just struggled to really get a feel for the game and tossed away some armies in a situation where i think they could have still won and should have still won then you had golden paid like you said i mean there were actually three out of the six games where you could say leary and hair were either a little fortunate or miguel and dougal didn't really play up to their potential and that's always going to haunt you against a good team a gg aftermath ggs indeed and hopefully we'll have a interview as well with the winners over here we're getting used to interviewing these two players for a long time now so hopefully you're gonna stay around for that as well leary someone earlier said this and this is really mean but it's also kind of funny someone said leary finally allowed hera to win an empire wars tournament because they've faced each other in the red bull events and leary's gotten the better of those engagements but nah i mean we know how good those guys are on the settings and it'll be fun to hear their input i i'm not gonna go for the crazy long interview here leeda because it's been a long day but uh yep i think we can maybe alternate with questions and if they need to get into our voice channel uh they should have access if not we can get them in here um they are here in a moment but yeah we can actually ask a couple of questions i am fairly certain that uh they have a lot on their mind as well right now sure and also i pretty much forgot what happened for the majority of the day already so all right well i remember some stuff there are a few key moments uh it due to the nature of some of the games i think it's going to be tough for me to ask a question about every game but we'll figure it out get them in here congratulate them maybe the viewers will have some questions they want the the players to answer indeed [Music] right and hello guys hello hi hi i can hear you uh i can hear you what's up guys congratulations thank you hello thank you all right congratulations guys people on the chats have been saying this so we're just going to highlight that harold how do you feel that lyric just allowed you to win an empire worst tournament finally the payment is still not in here we're going to talk about the price distribution distribution first feels good man first time this is probably unprofessional of me not to know this but it has been a bit who is the winner of the first empire of wars duo okay okay i thought so i just wanted to make sure yes i'm going good all right let's take a look at your journey the first thing i want to ask goes back to the semifinals how did you feel about vietnam's strategy here because well you saw that gamer legion won the quarterfinals unfortunately they couldn't play was it a concern to you that you didn't have a lot of time to prepare for vietnam strategy be here you want to go yeah i guess i'll take this one to be honest because of the way the draft is we actually cannot prepare for anyone besides just picking like choosing a map that we like to play which was like atacama just because they decide if they're a or b in the draft and that changes the strategy completely so we actually had zero preparation like zero like planned that preparation simply because we have to like we can't decide we have to just be on the fly so yeah it didn't change much and we had to just think on the fly every time um i actually have a few more questions about the semi-final so i'm actually gonna i'm gonna ask about that um so obviously you guys i don't know when you got the heads up about the change with your semi-final opponent but you weren't initially going to play vietnam be and then game one arabia i felt now feel free to give me the the pr professional response i felt you were a little less aggressive on arabia because you were just like ah we can boom you know uh could you could you give me your opinion on how you think you played arabia were you surprised by vietnam everything involved there you go um well first of all we were quite surprised by how they played literally dogging us in the unit with us non-stop it's not a bad thing it can be very strong if you do it right and they pretty did it pretty well we also played a bit more defensive we also had vikings and teams weren't really ours special steps i would say they're more there to like get an advantage and then roll them over but um yeah i mean it was our first game of the day and you know we're still rusty but they played it really well i didn't expect that i thought the game was over after we cleared the village army to be to be honest but uh yeah then they just overrun us like the next 50 minutes yeah i i think uh i think we we added too much eco both of us we should have uh maybe one guy zico yeah yeah just just more army on the field it's a bit awkward to be constantly getting rated larry you made more stonewalls in that game than i think you've made in your entire age of empire's career so i'll always remember that yeah i mean i just had some stone left over you know it was it wasn't enough for a castle so i was like might as well use it somewhere it doesn't matter if you stone the whole map but i have like five holes on my side oh yeah and i realized it was open anyway anyway and i was just like yeah i could get waste of stone by my walling my fault you should you should have teamed with mbl come on you'd solve those problems theory all right sorry anyways i digress lita probably has some questions about the finals uh yeah let's move on to the finals over here so we started with the arabia game and harry you picked pause what was the last pick on your draft explain our thought process for that took a lot of convincing honestly larry was not on board but basically the idea was in game one they will pick really strong sieves so we pick like poles who have really just like kind of potential larry says they have nothing but i think they have potential for a big all-in with castle play um either you do defensive castle if you're against if i'm against archer player which i was and then go for the all the knights if i was with the cav player i would have tried to do forward castles and mine a lot of stone and sacrifice myself for him so the plan was just to use a bad serve and try to win against good subs or if you lose that's fine just make a castle for it best for this i only started producing knights to like five minutes after i got cast do you do you think that you guys should have won that game i mean the way i saw it was they had done fairly everything correct except just throwing army like taking a couple bad fights and then they their eco never kicked in so i was curious on your perspective from you know in the game and everything that was developing i can only talk from my point of view but from what i have seen miguel kind of i'm not sure overreacted or under reacted to my two spears one archer he basically lost his meal not taking any berries with frank so that's not really that ideal kenda loses the frank bonus right away and uh finger then we got some good damage on togawin so we were always the aggressor rather than the defender and obviously that suits us very well and it's it's way harder to play from uh defensive stance than than being the greaser so okay um yeah here a question for you um you know a lot of actually just i guess it's a team question uh moving forward to the forest pond game kind of feels like forest pond is a map that you guys would never pick or really enjoy but you also tend to do fairly well on it what went wrong there like what were you expecting from dogal did he surprise you or is it just kind of a throwaway situation for you guys and you're just like ah whatever if i lose this game i'll just play the next one i actually like the map i just boom i'm fine i'm paralyzed i [ __ ] wore wagons towers in my base castles trips literally having nothing but water and usually i didn't even get that in that game so i had nothing i think i just i honestly think i just uh that game was my fault for sure because i um i didn't commit to the water so then like okay we lost that and it didn't give us any compensation on land i didn't i was trying to fast him and then i decided you know i saw the war wagons let's just go imp and play composition from home uh like just boom and i i couldn't even beat this composition so that game was my fault do you were you expecting him to forward castle you and fast dimp is that why you went 3tc mini boom fasting i yeah i wanted to actually either i fast forward castle with boom behind so i can you know slow him down with like trebs and bummer cannons and like take a lot of eco with very little investment from me or if he pushes me forward castle then i like you said i boom fasten push back and then i play with better eco but none of those things happen that was the worst scenario okay sorry to bring that up you know you just won so no it's okay it was a good question for sure it's definitely a weird game for us yeah going back to rock slide game and overall cummins you have seen cumin's quite a lot of usage you can use as a flank we saw you i think using cummins is a scout semanta comma in the semifinals you went for a pretty early cummins pick and used it on rockslide was it because of how the draft shaped out and you just said okay this is the best place for cumin's or was the plan from minute one that okay we're going to have this super aggressive scout strategy on rock slide with cumins humans are broken pick them make the game like it's it's it's actually overpowered especially in 2v2 where your opponent's actually maybe even better than 1v1 i don't know but like it's just overpowered honestly we were thinking better than niger's maybe so you're thinking you think specifically for empire wars i assume yeah yeah like empire wars because you're saving too much resources too fast and it's it's it's honestly just growing boldness in some way you should be able i actually i've i have not tested it but with saving that amount of res you can you justify horse collar and bed axe and the stable or is there you little light on food if you try that you can the torch caller is just a bad upgrade so yeah let's just skip it to later yeah there's no point i think you're lacking some food for that yeah like you have a second the first scout for it just doesn't make sense sure sure yeah so you just you basically get a free farm or two right and then you can mask more stables makes sense really fits your style hera um larry and herrera talk to me this is the most intriguing thing about all the games that i saw you guys play talk to me about openings and like where you want to focus early on atacama because the theme that i saw in most of the 2v2 atacamas is there somehow even though someone might end up at leery's base at the start leary finds himself in this position late feudal where he he won't receive damage he's on his way to castle age and they can't do anything is it does it start with doubling a certain person are you expecting certain things it's just i haven't broken it down yet give me your thoughts think it's all the setup to be honest all these small things which add up which we usually do better than our opponents like for example these small fights we're taking sometimes we trap units with our quick walls i mean obviously other players quick wall beastly as well but usually we tend to be a little bit better with that our speed as well plays in our favor and all those small things like one two villager pikas one two archers which die in this in a fight they all lead up to us being the aggressor and them being the defender and then you can just decide wherever you play and um yeah aggressor is just always better in empire wars i feel like but there there's no theme necessarily besides like for example hera in the finals showed up with your early archer spearman over to miguel is that like a consistent thing you try and open with and then you see what happens there or you know is it positional well we yeah we actually have a bit of a like idea in the opening we just try to notice we pick vietnamese a lot in in those games in atacama yeah so we just we locate the calf player and i send always my scouts across to the caf players who always double the calf player yeah because it's so much harder for the calf player to react to getting doubled with spear and and archers and also like some scouts yeah so usual ends of happenings be double scout player i'll take some damage at home but it leaves leery untouched and he's able to like just kind of snowball so yeah that's kind of like the thing that like the strategy wise but then like likely we said the execution for us is usually good on those maps where we're able to micro a lot and stuff okay sweet stuff awesome thank you for leaking everything i mean there was an obvious theme there i just wanted to hear it from you guys next next journey they're gonna forget anyways we're gonna forget next year we're gonna have to rethink it we're gonna figure out something new actually yeah exactly yeah next turn we replace other combat forest nothing so no worries perfect all right congrats guys uh well deserved win over here you were the favorites of the event and you have proven everybody right apparently so i guess now it's your time for well deserved rest before red buffalo 5. yeah thank you guys thanks for hosting and uh thanks for all the all the work you guys do as well hopefully the viewers enjoyed take care ggs ggs and congrats bye bye all right i guess this concludes the event as well for us yeah man i had fun casting it thanks for all your work with it i know you had some you know a lot of work put into it a lot of thought that goes into hosting events uh a difficult decision here or there as well so i just want to say congrats to you it was another successful event and i enjoyed casting it i know the viewers certainly showed up and the viewers enjoyed it too yeah it was it was very nice to have it over here there is also some sort of emotional connection to this thing because back when i hosted my first tournament that was just before eclan like a week before that and this sort of is the same situation right now there's a gigantic uh event coming up in the next week so well not next week if well it depends on where you are i guess but very soon a gigantic event coming in and we preceded this i am certainly very happy with the way things shaped out and massive shout out to the players who also showed a lot of flexibility i think we have to give a shout out to the players because we had server issues this week for example and uh they basically decided okay um we're just going to play our sets friday and use recorded games for quarter finals so in a very short notice they were always able to react and while obviously not everything went as perfect as it should i think we still got the a super fun and entertaining event especially this final game day was uh exceptional i think oh yeah i enjoyed the semis the final was was a little disappointing because of a game or two but ended up getting six games out of it so yeah man i had a good time and uh i'm very happy i think the viewers are as well very content you know when an event finishes you don't want to feel as though you are unsatisfied as if your thirst wasn't quenched so yeah uh had fun here leeda and thanks uh for allowing me to hop in and cast with you today so that was fun as well pleasure having you so um i'm really happy that everybody enjoyed it so take care and i am guessing i will see you on the red bull cast i'll be watching you yeah man i'll be around i'll be around all right thank you lita appreciate it bro have a nice night all right have a nice night bye bye all right salutes in chat for lita um make sure to check him out as well and uh yeah pretty much said everything to him that i would say to you guys as well except for thank you for all the support today um and yesterday this weekend was huge uh i don't know why so many people show up to this stream at this point uh it's it's crazy and i don't take it for granted so thank you i'd love to cast all right um and there were some struggles along the way i i had to hold back so many times actually having lita was so good because of some of the issues with de i i've grown quite impatient with it in recent weeks but thanks everybody thank you thank you um yeah the announcement by the way it's not like the biggest deal i have mentioned it on the stream before i earlier started saying announcement and then lead the court came back in but uh there will be a second t90 youtube channel starting in a few weeks and so if there is ever a tournament that i don't upload to my normal youtube then what happens is it's going to be on that youtube channel so i know a lot of you guys like to watch tournaments there's going to be a second youtube channel which will have vods basically

Channel: T90Official - Age Of Empires 2

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Id: 1D1wOjkyOI4

Length: 144min 43sec (8683 seconds)

Published: Sat Sep 11 2021