Asmongold Reacts To "Loot in Classic WoW" - MadSeasonShow

all right here we go you over here it's so much yeah I mean we're just gonna blow it the [ __ ] out I mean let's be real okay whoa Lube that's pixels upgrades looks it's at the main we walk does any RPG in history everyone wants it no one has not helped the zhadalan people will lie cheat betray and steal to get it oh man actually nobody would ever do that what are you meaningfully who would do that in the Mo's even more so come on man competition with other people it's disgusting edge between games in charin it's not that big of a deal but yes a personal loot you're gonna raid and you get loose or you don't and usually you don't and it sucks and you have nothing but luck to blame yep however and Boo is lassic it's more traditional you kill a boss it drops loot and you dish it out yep don't be fooled just shout the DK publicity though behind the simple idea lies anger jealousy and betrayal something that players were not prepared for that's the best part of it Master Luton rating and that's the best foreign month life span many guilds have already fallen under the yoke of loot drama and on this video I want to talk about the three big ones and their strengths and weaknesses ferny aspiring guild leaders out there or even those of you just looking for a guild anarchie anarchy a state of disorder due to the absence or non-recognition of authority senator let's rinse this is the first on our list and that's open role okay well not fully open you'd have to be pretty naive to have open loot to 40 people and just trust everyone not to take whatever they wanted yeah this [ __ ] video dude no it's more like all tanks rolling in excluding DPS warriors until all of the tanks already have it yeah that's right that's right well thank ya there are no favorites nor discrimination the only thing that's standing between you and the item is your own luck it's fair right yes in that aspect it is yeah right about this situation you have a tank who's online every day takes dungeons for guild mates even if he doesn't need them he brings consumables Peevy pleases me he's always online and discord no it's not me this is a valuable guild member who gets along with most people should give him all the loot and you have the other tank who's playtime starts and ends with raid and you question if there's some sort of weird government experiment because they'd never spoken a single word in voice chat okay this person wins the helmet of wrath and you don't see him for six and a half days and your active tank is still using this piece of crap what thing is variable you could apply bonuses to roles depending on activity or the ability to strike yeah how much what's fair and what is in right of course it's all roles this brings in micromanagement I hate that II to a loot system that people flag to I I've always hated giving people plus X onto a role I think that's the worst system because the moment that somebody wins the role but then somebody else actually wins the role that's the moment that you have somebody who is 275 percent mad and their friend that's talking to them in that other guild they're like hey what's up man so when do you guys raid again what what is really going on over there is they don't like micromanagement and authority yeah that's fine so let's bring some order to all of this shall we yeah we talked about adding bonuses to those who are more active within the guild did the more stuff they do they get points you get points for raids of course dkb also for attending guilt events pee pee peeing or whatever I don't think you should do that it's not a very creative idea because it's existed for around 20 years yeah I've never been a fan of this request the dkp system was one of the ways to distribute this is non classic no it was hard to find a guild that did say you knew this is an actual classic guild because they have four druids in the same raid and the [ __ ] moonkin so this is not this is not this is a vanilla raid not classic if this was a classic raid that would be in the back the 20 Fury Warriors and then in front of that the 30 30 rogues that's pretty much six droids yeah I forgot moon Ken's R actual druids I'd usually they're just a waste of space but anyway um I think dkp is [ __ ] stupid like the only good way to do loot is through either loot council or a modified loot council system like everything else besides that is a bad way of doing it in my opinion I think glute Council is the best way of distributing loot in a group that has people that trust each other and decisions are made fairly obviously you said in fact basically each boss betrayed and gives you a certain amount of points you killed your friend and you and everyone else present gets two points mm-hmm any kill Nefarian and Joe and everyone else present gets six points this is the bare minimum the system is set up for we accept you like the idea and give points for PV that's dumb and some for even donating materials or gold we use that in my old guild a derivation that's gaining in popularity is EP GP or instead of dkp will you stab that to he or effort points in indestructible we have the stern sea is added it called gear points which goes up as it get gear and loot as the best ratio gets worse these two numbers a more essentially but back does it so fascism here you then spend these points on the actual items there are a couple of different ways in doing this as well one is an asian-style line where you choose how many points you spend so player a bits five points on an item then player B chimes in with ten and so on and so forth until the highest bidder wins and you also have the second variant where items have a set point value and the person with the highest point total wins it and then gets that price deducted from their total what the [ __ ] I've never heard of that going back to that yeah I've never heard of people doing that this time it would to the active tank assuming that he has the most points yeah that actually this system sounds great the other tank woody but he would eventually get it but who cares about him so I've never liked dkp because it encourages behaviors that I think are counterproductive to progression so number one is it encourages people not to bid on upgrades immediately and to instead wait for their biggest upgrade and then only bid their dkp on that specific upgrade and so it creates a really weird system where people are not taking things that they should be taking but they're only taking things that they can take for a very very low total while still maintaining all of their items and all their dkp in order to buy out you know ward waves in order to buy out you know sulfurous or something like that and then on top of that and encourages toxic behavior because you have people that this is what I would you do is like I got together with the other warriors and the guild and I'm like okay bro so I want the belt you get the boots you go five on the boots I don't bid I go five in the belt you don't bid and then we're good and so it encourages that toxic behavior on top of that which is not good for the guilt and then on top of that collusion well of course seclusion and on top of that you have bidding people up just to lower their dkp so for example if you know somebody really really needs a pair of boots right they're still using [ __ ] saffron's boots or something like that the blue ones saffron scale boots and hell and boots of might drop or boots of wrath drop and they need them and you bid them up knowing that you don't really need them but you're bidding them up in order to make them spend more of their dkp so whenever the drake Fane talisman drops later on then they don't have enough dkp to compete against you and then you get the item that you want because you bid them up on the item that you don't even want in the first place okay like I was the master at scamming people with dkp like I did this for years and surely getting his of course but as appropriate to his final if it's my guild yeah bet you later but you can like you know you get what you put in if you're an active member you're thusly rewarded with more gear more quickly and it'll get more use since you don't log out for six days immediately after a raid mm-hmm there are console like I said it was hard to find the guild back then it's also bad for new players coming in it's as prolific as they don't have any dkp why is this EPG peas bed fertilized with the variant a where people can enter a bidding war it's extremely susceptible to collusion let's say you have three nice things a and B are real good friends but they hate tank C wave who would do that everything that if tank C doesn't oh and I'll pass it to you know do otherwise don't spit up that see a whole [ __ ] so this allows tanks a and B n to stay at the Elven generally because they get items for one yeah and whenever C wants something they gave him or her up to expensive prices yep and even the set point system has issues I can relate to this one perfectly as it happened to my guild up back in 2005 yep mister to folks and B are you still up doing this rogue but a nice dude who tried hard we're in a queue 40 a nice dude rogues and her dildo we're always pretty tight-knit and when it came to gear we would sort of convene and tried to get the biggest upgrades possible for the Lord geared rogues for the betterment of the guilt yeah everyone is like minded and on the same page here X it up was OB yeah who happened to be a raid leader in fact hey how convenient item in this particular example was the ancient chironji River Roku we referred to as the weapon collector because that's what he did you'd like to collect weapons even if he didn't use them something that rogues name s fond I'm just kidding well is there any weapon that s fun doesn't have like I'm and I'll be honest like I'm jealous it's not like I'm mad about I'm [ __ ] jealous he has both legendaries and I'll have a single [ __ ] one man this is insane dkp system he had allowed for example he'd have chromatically tempered sword yeah and he done did someone on brutality blade what's been thrown in his bank and let it collect dust because he liked to look at it I guess what a [ __ ] idiot like I said rogue a was fairly new to the guild and he was coming in to fight Merced or some pre red blue Dowell ran was luring dkp but since he always tried and he was a cool dude in general oh my groups agreed to pass on the sword because it was a huge upgrade for him naturally Oh myself be at the time had chromatically tempered sword and fairly sure yeah also an upgrade for him but minor in comparison and when the sword dropped he'd been on it liking rogue a out and then another rogue in turn outbid him and then he got pissed G quit and the rest is history the whole thing was pretty petty but that's a little bit more sit in classic it's all petty there is also a PETA win aspect if you get points for donating gold or consumable I don't like this it depends on the guild some limit to it but still yeah every guild has a limit to it almost achill nightmare I was good friends with the guy who did the dkp for a guild and he would be up at night trying to settle disputes like I was here for the first two bosses yeah then left we have the same issue until we had the add-ons well this guy was afk for this fight so you should deduct points it's really stupid so the point system is exploitable and it does have flaws yep a less group of players here though just say effing no rolling no points we decide where the loot goes I'm of course talking about lead console here is how it's not hold on who gets what the pros and cons and this should be pretty self-explanatory a friend well the loot is handed out in such a way that it benefits the guilt of the most and a friend poorly corruption and personal grudges dictate who gets one that's very all know the story of the loot console who's eight inner area is to gear themselves first and then the rest of the rabble later I can't believe anybody hard thing to describe because it's so subjective something that seems grossly unfair from the outside may be perfectly reasonable and the inside yeah this versa it really just depends if you have honest people truly making the best decision for what's good for the guild I think that's really what it matter what more matters right is if you have everybody in the in the group is okay and on the same page with how the loot decisions are being made then everything's okay to me personally I have never like I like meaning about this but as a as a loot master and whenever I had loot council on my guild we had a number of ways that we would prevent collusion right it was like you couldn't comment on items that you rolled on we invited a new person every single week to listen in on our decision-making process for them to know why we were making decisions and that rotated every single week so there were a number of ways that we did this in order to ease people's minds whenever we went over and we use this system we obviously had a few complaints about it over the years but overall I think we had a really really positive system and when you bring in human nature into the equation yeah anything can happen people just get pissed too one kind of great thing you can say he said it's the most susceptible to drama Zephyr all can be frustrated sir is ultimately it's your role against theirs dkp can be manipulated but it's inevitable of that you'll get something with Luca maybe possible you'll get nothing for two months you don't get Louis because you don't perform well yeah you don't perform well because you don't get lute yes I feel like a guild that can't figure that out like what the difference is between somebody performing well for their gear and somebody performing well period is just a bad guilt like if your guild is putting you up against somebody in full tea or two and you're like a mage or a rogue or something and you're in pre-raid biz and you're not getting any loot because that person is out damaging you it's like why you and that guild right and like I get that like yeah they cleared it more and everything like that but if that's the only decision-making process that they use then it's a mistake the fact is that the way that we do things is that we do like every loot council does to some degree like focus on seniority because it matters but at the same time while sonority does matter it also matters a lot if you if you show up if you have a good attitude if you're in the raid all the time if you're playing in the guild regularly and if you're a positive force in the guild so and if you're playing well in general so there's a lot of factors to it but like in my Gil I think we have a two or three week trial period and then pretty much anybody can nominate a piece of gear with like a soft reserved system that we have think that the idea of someone else dictating what you deserve and what you don't deserve just rubs people the wrong way yeah like if you're a good boy you get a treat if you ask me that's yeah because if you're a good boy you do good damage like that's the way it should be like I know that you guys are trying to like [ __ ] meme on this but it's actually the best way to do it because no other system rewards performance like there's no system entrance besides dkp in classic it doesn't matter unless like you're a tank and you're missing taunts or something like that which I never do by the way but unless you're a tank that's missing taunts like it doesn't really matter how well you perform like it's really hard to wipe on the bosses but other than that like yeah back back like back then never it was really hard it was a completely different system and they all have their ups and downs I think in general yeah I know that's what I'm saying sorry if I said it wrong the thing I like about tkp and said eventually you're gonna get something eventually no matter what you're awarded for the amount of time that you put in I don't like that the damn set of Luke Council I think is that often times it's disproportionate not always but often times there's just one or two people of the class will get fully decked out before others yeah the mean time not talking about what's fair here and what is in what I'm talking about and they see it all the time is that the faster of players are geared out the more likely they are to quit class secrets Mad Season do not tell them my secrets don't tell them that the last time the last piece of gear I get is my last rate [ __ ] dick is a simple game friend games have rating and PvP with loot of course serving as the carrot on a stick if you remove the carrot on a stick by full of gearing out one player you remove their main reason to play yes ideally you gear out the players who read more for the sake of rating and just hanging out what's a delicate balance but humans are not available the faster you gear someone out the more likely that person will end up quitting because they have less reason to show up I feel like loot console guilds have a harder fight against attrition way more than dkp are rolling guilds oh I get in the cycle of feeding one person all this loot and then removing a big reason for the memories they quit then go to the next person balmed rinse and repeat it's putting all of your eggs into one basket which is really risky yeah it is dkp or free it's very true what Matt Susan saying it is extremely risky like there are a number of times where like you gear out like a main tank or something like that like this used to be very common in vanilla because of like four horsemen and Guilds needing more main tanks but you also had the same thing in dkp where someone who is looking to quit the guild would just dump all of their dkp into an item go down to zero and then quit the guild after they do after they zeroed out their dkp so it the thing is with blue council is that's again part of the part of the expertise that comes into Luke council is knowing who to gear out and why to gear them out it sucks but it tap into a lot of guilds it's happened to my guild I remember there's this girl that we geared the [ __ ] out of her in throne of thunder we gave her all the gear and I and she did she's not really that good but she's the best one we had and then she left the [ __ ] guilt I was pissed man I was so [ __ ] pissed samp know what well the biggest advantage they have is that loot in general it is spread around more therefore you have use your time keeping an active roster I think that you should counsel your maintain these two systems are the most appealing and to those who care more about progression they will go down the more risky loot capsules around exactly it can be done well I'm actually in a loop council guild as I make this video and I haven't had any troubles personally there you go the bottom line is that there's no system where everyone will be happy no loot really does make people crazy in this game someone in some way will always feel like they've been wronged somehow that that item should be theirs this is bull corn I'm joining the souther guild where the exact same thing will happen yep because now that the bottom of the list again impression that the leadership is always in the wrong the members can be just as bad if not worse trust me I think people vastly underestimated personal loot and how it virtually eliminated all of this drama things do mean it does create drama personal what creates drama he's that that is that is true but like for the most part he's right it does get rid of a lot of it I mean like there are some people dude they spurred the [ __ ] out over loot like I know like people get mad think about it like this if you want an example of what Matt's it's talking about people get mad about loot decisions that I make in my guild and they're not even on the same server as me they're mad they're like [ __ ] this dude I can't believe this Doody you're gonna give that to him Wow dude I used to respect you bro [ __ ] you man [ __ ] you more in classic due to competition I mean I just like to bring up that I remembered the specific item from 15 years ago it's a good point that drama over I can't even remember what I had for breakfast yesterday if that doesn't tell you how much more important loot is I don't know what well but it's definitely at a cost if it were me I'll just go with the bouquet method at weddings the bride turns around and throws a bouquet over her head and whoever catches it is destined for love oh I would do that with each piece of loot and watch people tear each other apart and sue can come out with all the digits intact so the mystical is to try your best to be fair with whatever system you decide yeah best you can do as a watch I would do that with each piece of loot and watch people tear each other apart and sue can come out that's the guard by the attack so the best he can do is to try your best to be fair with whatever system you decide and the best you can do as a member yeah is try your best to find a system that's right for you I guess so understand that sometimes that's the way the cookie functions yeah the [ __ ] ID chips two or three pieces I would for 40 people with the release of classic any things have changed buses have become easier yeah the met is more established yeah the only thing that hasn't changed is that loot makes people really angry that's the thing is like in my guild we don't have any of this like we've never had any very well we've never had any drama with with Luke really the only time that we've ever had loot drama is with like this dream stuff like we had the one guy that rolled on on the dagger right like that's true we didn't have that one guy that rolled on the dagger that was weird but besides that I don't think that we've had a single thing happen [Music] you [Music]

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Length: 22min 11sec (1331 seconds)

Published: Wed Apr 15 2020