$800 Meh, Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Review & Benchmarks

foreign [Music] box today we are checking out the new Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070ti formerly known as the unlaunched 12 gigabyte RTX 4080 in terms of specifications that means the 12 gigabyte 4080 which is now no longer and 4070 TI are the exact same product but thankfully Nvidia hasn't simply changed the name and just called it a day we're also getting a 100 US discount dropping the price from 900 to 800 so that's nice at least if true man more on that later today's sponsor spot is brought to you by thermal Grizzly and their new 12th gen CPU contact frame by debauer it's well known that the integrated loading mechanism or ilm of the LJ 1700 sockets Benz 12th gen CPUs leading to an uneven contact surface that reduces cooling performance solving this issue the contact frame replaces the ilm allowing for a much more even contact with the cpu's IHS and the base of your cooler which in turn reduces operating 10 temperatures installations quick and easy and thanks to the use of anodized aluminum the contact frame is non-conductive and then for those of you who wish to further maximize contact thermal Grizzly now offers an optional lapping tool so for more information please check the link in the video description okay so let's go over some quick specifications before we jump into the benchmarks when compared to the RTX 4080 the MSRP has been slashed by 33 which is great news that should make the 4072i the best value GeForce 40 series product yet based on the ad 104 silicon there's 7680 Cuda cores just 21 fewer than that of the 4080 but they are clocked four percent higher then we see a 25 reduction to the L2 cache capacity and a 25 reduction in vram with slightly slower 21 gigabits per second memory on a 192-bit wide memory bus and that sees bandwidth cut down by 30 to 504 gigabytes per second we're also looking at a modest 11 reduction in total board power with a rating of 285 watts and other than that Nvidia is still using the tsmc four nanometer process and of course though using pcie 4.0 times 16 for the interface now there's not a found Edition model of the 4070 CI instead Nvidia is letting their board Partners handle the board design and on here for testing we have a number of models from gigabyte MSI and Asus which we will look at a bit later on for now let's go over the test system specs and then jump into the blue bar graphs for testing the CPU used is the ryzen 7 5800x3d with 32 gigabytes of dual rank dual Channel ddr4 3200cl14 memory on the MSI MPG x570s carbon Max Wi-Fi motherboard in total I've tested 16 games at 1440p and 4K so let's get into the data starting with the Watchdogs Legion results we see that at 1440p the 4072i is comparable to the 6950 XT with 146 FPS on average and that's certainly not a poor result as it does make it 11 faster than the 3090 TI and just five percent slower than the 4080 though of course we are CPU limited here moving to four case or the 4072i trailing the 7900 XT by 12 for what was again a 6950 XT light performance and really 39 ETI light performance as well perhaps more importantly though it was just 19 slower than the RTX 4080 which is nice given that it is 33 more affordable or at least it should be moving on to the Callisto protocol here the 4070 TI pumped out 122 FPS which did make it quite a bit slower than the 1700 XT 17 slower in fact using this example at 1440p I should also note that this game does enable fsr2 by default with the ultra quality preset so that's why it's enabled here this isn't something that we've manually changed moving to 4K sees the 4070 TI delivering 6900 XT performance making it just eight percent slower than the 6800 XT which is a bit rough given that that GPU can be had for under 600 right now it was also interesting to see the 407 HR trailing the 4080 by a massive 30 margin so these test conditions were not at all favorable for nvidia's new alleged 800 GPU next up we have Forza Horizon 5 and here the 4072i performed exceptionally well at 1440p trailing the 4080 by a mere four percent margin to come in ahead of the 700 XT by a 13 margin this also made it 25 faster than nvidia's previous generation Flagship the RTX 390 ti so that's obviously a great result performance at 4K became more competitive with the 700 XT closing in but even so the 4070 show was still six percent faster with 104 FPS on average and that also made it just 11 slower than the RTX 4080. Rainbow Six extraction has some very competitive results for us with the 700 XT and 4070 TI delivering almost identical results I'd say this is a good result for the 4072i as it not only matched its Radeon competition but it also beat the previous generations Flagship by a five percent margin and was just 19 slower than the 4080. the 3092 I did nudge ahead at 4K but even so the 4072i still matched the 7900 XT and even at 23 slower than the 4080 that is still a good result the Far Cry 6 performance isn't amazing at least at 1440p here we're looking at 30 90 light performance so a little slower than the 3090 TI still we are quite heavily CPU limited so these results aren't terribly useful for high-end gpus jumping up to the 4K resolution shows just how system limited the 4K data was that said the 4072i is still demonstrating 30 90 39 ETI levels of performance making it 20 slower than the 7900 XT and RTX 4080 the Assassin's Creed Valhalla results are much of the same at 1440p were again faced with previous generation Flagship performance just two percent slower than the 650 XT and five percent faster than the 390 TI that said although it was just 12 sold in the RTX 48 it was also 13 slower than the 7900 XT and even at the 4K resolution the 4070 TI still trailed the 700 XT by an 11 margin with 85 FPS opposed to 96 FPS still that meant it was just 15 sold on the RTX 4080 thanks to 1390 TI light performance here we see the 4070 TI is spitting at 193 FPS at 1440 pen hunt Showdown which surprise surprise meant it was delivering previous generation Flagship performance it was also just seven percent slower than the 7900 XT so pretty good given that it is meant to be 11 cheaper at least at MSRP we're also looking at similar margins at the 4K resolution here it was eight percent slower than the 7900 XT and again we're looking at similar performance to that of the 3090 and here that meant it was 26 slower than the RTX 4080. the outer World uses the Unreal Engine 4 and this title heavily favors Nvidia GPU so unsurprisingly here the 4070 TI was able to nudge ahead of the 700 XT with 167 FPS on average unsurprisingly that also placed it alongside the RTX 3090 it's a similar story at 4K here the 4072i was a mere two percent faster than the 700 XT and just 2 slow on the RTX 3090 while it trailed the RTX 4080 by a 23 margin now unlock the outer worlds Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 doesn't favor GeForce gpus in fact quite the opposite here the 1700 XT is a massive 32 fast and the 40 70 chart 1440p despite the 4072i being just seven percent slower than the 4080. interestingly even at 4K the 4072r is just 10 slower than the 4080 but also 21 slower than the 7900 XT and as you'd expect we're looking at previous generation Flagship performance so given the price I'd say that's a decent result The Hitman 3 Performance is very similar between the 7900 XT and 40 72 1440p placing both just behind the 3090 TI and just 11 slower than the 4080 thanks to a CPU bottleneck the 4072i did fall behind the 7900 XT at 4K trailing by a 12 margin with 122 FPS on average though that did also make it just 14 slower than the RTX 4080. Horizon zero Dawn's another title where the 7900 XT and 4070 TI are neck and neck at least at 1440p where both provided 30 90 TI and 6900 XT light performance the 4K data is very similar again the 47 inchei and 1700 XT are comparable and again provided very similar performance that of previous generation flagships next up we have f122 and this game has been tested with Ray tracing enabled as that's the default setting using the ultra high quality preset this does hand the 4072 iron Advantage enabling it to best the 1700 XT by an 8 margin at 1440p once again providing RTX 3090 light performance the 4K results are quite similar eight percent faster than the 7900 XT and just five percent slower than the 3090 TI it was also just 19 slow in the RTX 4080 so overall an excellent result given the price cyberpunk 2077 hasn't been tested with rt enabled though I do have those results and we'll get to them shortly for now we just have the high preset enabled with any upscaling features disabled again the 4072i Matched the 3090 TI and 6950 XT which in this example made it 10 slower than the 7900 XT then at 4K the 4072 I did struggle a bit with just 49 FPS on average and while that is again previous generation Flagship performance it was also 17 slower than the 7900 XT moving on to Dying Light 2 we find fairly competitive results as here the 4072i was just five percent slower than the 7900 XT upping the resolution though to 4K does see the 4072i fall well down our graph with 50 ifps on average just a few frames faster than the 6800 XT which is a disappointing result despite being 11 slower than the 7900 XT the Halo infinite results are interesting and as seen previously this isn't a tile that runs particularly well with amd's new rdna 3 gpus the 4070 TI for example smokes the more expensive 7900 XT by an 18 margin at 1440p and was also a good bit faster than previous generation flagships the 4K data is very different though and we've seen this a few times now where arduino3 appears to suffer some kind of driver optimization issue as a result here the 4070 tire is just a few percent faster than the 700 XT which is still a great result for NVIDIA given they've undercut AMD on pricing for this matchup last up we have Shadow of the Tomb Raider an oldie but a goodie and here the 407 GI knocked the 1700 XT off by a four percent margin so basically performance overall was identical at 1440p it's the same story at 4K this time the 7900 XT did nudge ahead but overall performance was near enough to identical meaning both delivered previous generation Flagship performance okay so here are the 16 game averages starting with the 1440p results and as you'd expect based on everything we just saw the 4072i is slower than the 7900 XT though it's only four percent slower overall so really very similar performance for these two gpus we're also looking at a five percent boost on average over the 3090 TI and 6950 XT with a 13 increase over the 1600xt and RTX 3090 the 4072i was also just 16 slower than the 4080 on average though in a number of instances we were quite heavily CPU limited so let's move on to check out the 4K results here the 4070 TI was seven percent slower than the 7900 XT and three percent slower than the 3090 TI but also four percent faster than the 650 XT so in short previous generation Flagship performance for what should be 800 which again in today's market doesn't seem all that bad it was also 20 slower than the RTX 4080 which again given the price or the MSRP that does seem quite reasonable finally for those of you interested here's the 1080p data when paired with the 5800 X 3D the 700 XT and 4070 TI are neck and neck just eight percent slower than the 4080 thanks to the more CPU limited testing okay time for some Ray tracing benchmarks and we'll start with f122 which we've already tested with rtfx enabled but here we're looking at how the 4072i and 1700 XT compare with and without RT enabled along with FSR and dlss upscaling in short the 4070 TI is eight percent faster than the 700 XT when using Road tracing but 17 slower with it disabled now as seen previously when testing with watchdog's Legion with raytracing disabled the 4072i was 12 slower than the 7900 XT however with the ultra rtfx enabled the 407 HR is now 10 faster so while the 700 XT is decent here with raytracing enabled the GeForce GPU does get handed the win the 4070 TI and 1700 XT were neck and neck and Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy using the ultra quality preset at 1440p without roadtracing enabled both with around 190 FPS on average however with Ray tracing enabled the 407 hi is now 25 faster rendering an impressive 105 FPS the fortnite results are really interesting because here we're no longer using the RT implementation but rather the Unreal Engine 5.1 so software-based Ray tracing in my opinion Nano and Lumen are the most impressive rendering Technologies I've seen implemented in a video game for a very very long time and the rtfx on display here are easily some of the best I've seen if not the best I've seen and it's in fortnite of all games I know crazy what's just as amazing is how well optimized these nanoi and Lumen Technologies are for GeForce and Radeon gpus with the 7900 XT actually outperforming the 39 ETI and 4070 TI by a slim margin so it's very possible for future games that are built on the Unreal Engine 5 that will see amd's poor Ray tracing performance become a thing of the past do maternals an RTX titles so no upscaling for Radeon gpus here but despite that the game plays at extremely high frame rates at Native 1440p and here the 4072 was again slightly slower than the 1700 XT with Ray tracing enabled still with around 300 FPS with basically maxed out visuals at 1440p the margins here are irrelevant Resident Evil Village is not an RTX title so no dlss support here just FSR though sadly the FSR support hasn't been updated from its initial release so FSR 1.0 anyway the game does support Ray tracing and while far from a game changer and significantly less impressive than what we see in fortnite for example it does still for the most part enhance the visual look of the game as you'd expect the performance hit is quite large especially for the 1700xt but with rt enabled all of the gpus tested here pushed well above what's required to enjoy the game the 4072i for example pumped out 172 FPS on average and although that made it nine percent slower than the 1700 XT when using Ray tracing the performance overall was more than sufficient and would allow Gamers to push up to the 4K resolution if desired now Marvel's Spider-Man remastered is an interesting title and we have some odd results here which I believe are caused by the use of the ryzen 750rx 3D processor firstly the GeForce gpus so the 40 72 and 4080 are limited to just over 100 FPS with Ray tracing enabled the one percent lows of the 4080 are higher than that of the 4070gi but both are clearly artificially limited and this is most obvious when looking at the 3090 TI which was faster than even the 4080 and this wasn't just the case with rt enabled even with rt disabled the 309 ETI was still 14 faster than the 4080. so that's odd to say the least and as a result I did remove Spider-Man remastered from our day one RTX 4090 review noting a strange driver bug that limited performance of the 4090 to around 100 FPS but this now seems to be less of a bug and just an overhead issue with the 4D series or some particular issue with this game whatever the case though these results are accurate with the 5800x3d that means with that RT enabled the 1700 XT is 16 fast and the 4070s show and with it enabled performance is much the same the cyberpunk 2077 Ray tracing performance even with the high quality preset is brutal and even the 4072i really does require some kind of upscaling Technology As It produced just 51 FPS on average still that made it 46 faster than the 700 XT which managed just 35 FPS and even with the help of FSR 2.1 versus dlss for the 4070 TI the GeForce GPU was still 47 faster so a very easy win here for NVIDIA finally here's a look at the average Ray tracing performance scene across the eight games just looked at and please note I've grayed out the upscaling results as the data here isn't Apples to Apples and in some games the Radeon gpus didn't even receive upscaling support what's interesting to note here is that the 7900 XT sorry 54 decline in performance with Ray tracing enabled while the 4070 TI only saw a 43 decline yet overall the ray tracing performance was much the same between these two gpus the 4070 TI was an average seven percent faster with Ray tracing and then 13 slower with Ray tracing disabled now if we were to ignore the RTX titles where Radeon gpus typically get decimated and decimated by designer might add the ray tracing performance of the 7900 XT actually looks pretty good I think titles like fortnite for example so therefore I believe moving forward the RT battle is going to be a lot less one-sided it's probably not good news for NVIDIA as we've already seen when testing the RTX 4090 and 4080 nvidia's Ada Lovelace architecture is very efficient and we're seeing yet another example of this with the 4070 TI testing and Dying Light 2 shows the 4072i pushing total system consumption at just 357 Watts a 15 power saving when compared to the 7900 XT moreover the 40 70 chart was comparable to the RX 6800 and RTX 3070 so an impressive result given the performance the Doom Eternal results are also interesting as here the 700 XT and 4072i are much similar When comparing total system usage both pushing over 400 watts which is still very reasonable we're also looking at fairly similar power usage in Hitman 3 the 700 XT push total system uses just six percent higher and was just two percent slower when looking at frame rate performance so the 4070 TI was clearly the more efficient GPU but in this example they are really very similar now with the frame rate locked to 90 FPS we see the 4072i is the most efficient of the current generation gpus released thus far pushing total system usage to 347 Watts three percent less than that of the RTX 4080 and 18 less than the 7900 XT now for the all-important cost per frame analysis we'll start with the MSRP data if all current and previous generation gpus were to be sold at the suggested retail price the 4072i would actually represent fairly good value it's certainly not amazing don't get me wrong only roughly matching the RTX 3070 and 6800 XT the previous generation sensible options let's say but that's not exactly a bad result when compared to its most direct competitor so the 7900 XT the 4072i costs around four percent less per frame while offering Superior Ray tracing performance and dlss support So a clear win here for NVIDIA no matter which way you slice it now when factoring in the current retail pricing the 4070 TI still Stacks up reasonably well despite costing four percent more per frame than the 7900 XTX though it is four percent cheaper than the 7900 XT now assuming that you can buy the 470 TI for 800 which certainly isn't a given at least over the next few months anyway but let's just say you can it would be a massive 21 discount per frame from the current RTX 4080 asking price even at the MSRP the 4070 TI's cost per frame represents 16 greater value than that of the 4080. so Nvidia really has corrected pricing here and they absolutely needed to if they don't want these things just sitting on shelves like a lot of RTX 4080s are now all of the results you've seen in this video have been based on the gigabyte Eagle version of the 4070 TI and here's a look at how that model behaves after an hour of load when installed inside an ATX case at a 21 degree ambient room temperature the eagle peaked at a hot spot temperature of just 70 degrees with a peak average GPU temperature of 61 degrees and then the memory peaked at 64 degrees so a cool running card and impressively the fans were spinning at just shy of 1800 RPM to achieve these results we also saw a core clock frequency of 2820 megahertz with the memory clocked at 21 gigabits per second so this is the default or stock behavior for the 4070 TI as the eagle model adheres to the Nvidia spec that is to say there is no Factory overclocking here now the aorus master on the other hand that is an overclocked 4072i though not exactly a big overclock we're looking at a one and a half percent frequency boost in Hitman 3 hitting 2865 megahertz it was also disappointing to find that this massive cooler didn't really improve temperatures by a noteworthy margin the auris Masters are a peak GPU hotspot temperature of just 69 degrees a degree cooler than the eagle while the memory Peak to 56 degrees so good Improvement for the memory though 64 degrees same with the eagle was plenty cool for the memory we also have MSI Supreme X and this model wasn't that impressive at least not as impressive as I'd hoped it would be firstly for whatever reason MSI ships their premium graphics cards with the silent bias as the default setting whereas Asus and gigabyte use their performance bios by default anyway for this testing I'm using msi's performance bars so these results aren't based on the silent Buffs even so we ended up with a hotspot temperature of 76 degrees which I've got to say is very disappointing as that is six degrees hotter than gigabytes base model the memory also peaked at 76 degrees which is a massive 12 degree increase over the eagle and worse still we're looking at a fan speed of 1700 RPM so in terms of operating volume the supremax eagle lenorous Master are all very similar now the Supreme X typically operated its course at 2850 megahertz which is a little higher than that of the eagle but lower than the aorus master so nothing special there power usage was also similar so perhaps the supremax cooler isn't contacting the GPU die as well as it could be but whatever the case the results are a little disappointing despite being acceptable the Asus tough gaming also reached a peacock spot temperature of 77 degrees but it did so at a relatively low fan speed of just 1500 RPM and was therefore silent or at least quieter than our case fans the memory peaked at 76 degrees are the same temperature as the supremax and we're looking at a typical operating frequency of 2835 megahertz so an acceptable result for a more base model let's say and it is worth note the tough gaming 40 70 chart is substantially smaller and lighter than the aorus master and supreme X and I've got to say I much prefer the look and build quality of the Asus tough gaming when compared to the gigabyte Eagle namely because that is an all-metal fan shroud opposed to an all-plastic design of the gigabyte card but both models share the same dimensions and there really is no denying that you do get a better cooler with the eagle so gigabyte has done an amazing job with their base model so what to make of the GeForce RTX 4070 TI then well as with all of these next generation gpus from AMD Nvidia I'm not really Blown Away by what's on offer here even if we ignore current retail pricing for previous generation hardware and just focus on the suggested retail pricing the 4072i doesn't really move the needle forward the cost per frame so the value it offers is no different to the RTX 3070 yeah you're getting around 60 more performance as shown in our testing but at the MSRP you're also paying 60 more and this was the issue with nvidia's Turing generation in terms of value it offered nothing over Pascal unless you're bought into the lie that dlss and Ray tracing we're going to redefine gaming back in 2018 of course neither of them did and even today largely fall short of such bold claims therefore like the Radeon RX 7900 XTX the GeForce 4070 TI it's a fine product but it comes with an uninspiring price tag whereas the 7900 XTX should cost no more than 900 the 407 TI should cost no more than seven hundred dollars having said all of that though a part of me is very glad Nvidia decided to set the MSRP at 800 and not the original plan nine hundred dollars that they announced with the 12 gigabyte RTX 4080. speaking of which I'm seriously questioning just how real this 800 MSRP actually is we know Nvidia had their sites fixed on 900 for this silicon and we know Nvidia does like money we also know MSRP targets haven't always been met by Nvidia gpus whether or not Nvidia is to blame is difficult to say but I'm currently of the position that I'll believe that you can buy an RTX 4070 TI for 800 when I see it and this is a big problem for our viewers because at 900 us the 4070 TI is hot garbage a terrible deal that should be avoided like a plague as an example here's a cost per frame graph showing where the 4072i would be positioned at 900 and frankly this looks to be a bit more realistic at least what I was expecting at 900 the 40 70 chart is Dead on Arrival for just a hundred dollars more the 7900 XTX absolutely destroys it and again I don't think the 700 XTX is great in terms of value so I'm really hesitant to believe that the 4072 will be an 800 product and sadly it'll be at least a month before we know for sure at which point Supply will have caught up with the initial demand I really hope it's not a situation where we see some 800 listings for some base models that are just never in stock and if you want a 47 inch high realistically you've got to pay more like 900 I'm also hoping it's not a situation where even if the MSRP is met in the US other regions Canada Australia we just pay so much more for the 4072 that it's just not worth buying and in some instances you could probably get something like a 700 XTX for the same price of course this is yet to be seen I'm just hoping that this isn't a situation that we'll be faced with now moving on as good as the performance of the 4072 IUS and again I'm not necessarily talking about how good it is for the money I just mean in general the performance was impressive pumping out 87 FPS on average at 4K so as good as that is I do Wonder just how long it'll be before 12 gigabytes of vram starts to become insufficient at this performance tier for example the most expensive previous generation GPU from AMD to only offer a 12 gigabyte vram buffer was the 550 6950 XT though that model quickly dropped below MSRP so really I'd say it's the two-year-old 6700 XT at 480 us so just shy of 500 admittedly though nvidia's own vram budget for the GeForce 30 series gpus it was just all over the place but even so the 3080 offered 10 gigabytes of vram two years ago I feel today at this price point 16 gigabytes should be the absolute minimum especially given there are already numerous examples where eight gigabytes no longer cuts it at the high end and no I'm certainly not advocating you spend nine hundred dollars on the 7900 XT for the extra eight gigabytes of vram but if AMD were to slash prices and get the 700 XT to a similar price point to that of the 4070 TI than it would be in my opinion the more obvious choice and on that note the 7900 series pricing by AMD was so dumb they've somehow once again managed to make Nvidia look good and that's because you want to price your latest and greatest products so that when they enter the market they're the obvious choice forcing your competitor to give up market share or make a price cut just to compete you don't want to enter the market and just roughly match your competitor because for one where's the incentive to go AMD worse still if Nvidia were to knock just a hundred dollars off the 4080s MSRP that effectively canceled the 7900 XTX forcing AMD to make a day one price cut which would look silly as fail failing to do so would inevitably result in poor sales in short you want to put your competitor in a position where they'd have to reduce prices just to compete not a position where if they simply knocked eight percent off you're done evidently though Nvidia didn't feel threatened Enough by amd's latest and greatest offerings to do anything which is probably the most disappointing result possible for consumers anyway as I've said the GeForce 4070 TI is a perfectly fine product the wow factor though just simply isn't there as your face we're having to spend 80 series money on a 70 series product and I'm sure some of you will point to inflation but don't kid yourself these companies are making out like a bandit overall margins might be down but they're still making billions in profits and charging you at least 800 U.S for a 295 millimeter square die is all part of their plan to keep the good times rolling and that is going to do it for this one if you enjoyed the video do give it a like subscribe for more content not sure if we're doing any sort of partner card roundups for this particular model I guess it depends on pricing and whether or not it does turn out to be good value relative to what other options you have 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Published: Wed Jan 04 2023

Reddit Comments

[u/No_Backstab]

tldw;

At 1080p,

RX 7900XT - 201 FPS

RTX 4070Ti - 198 FPS

RTX 3090Ti - 180 FPS

At 1440p,

RX 7900XT - 158 FPS

RTX 4070Ti - 152 FPS (4% slower than the 7900XT and 5% faster than the 3090Ti)

RTX 3090Ti - 145 FPS

At 4k,

RX 7900XT - 94 FPS

RTX 4070Ti - 87 FPS (7% slower than the 7900XT and 3% slower than the 3090Ti)

RTX 3090Ti - 90 FPS

RTX 3090 - 82 FPS

With FPS locked to 90 in Cyberpunk 2077 , the RTX 4070Ti is the most efficient GPU.

In Hitman 3 at 4k Ultra Settings , it has the same power consumption as that of the 3070Ti

[u/bisufan]

With the 60 and 70 series, people aren't looking only at performance (compared to the 80 and 90 cards). Of course it's not going to be competing at the highest performance tier; that's why they're shopping for a 60/70 card. What they're looking for is an increase in value from previous generations because they weren't in the market for a 80/90 card back then either. With this year's 4070 being a similar price/performance as last years 3080/3090, nvidia is literally just saying a big FU to the majority of shoppers.

[u/gaylol4]

4070ti is textbook stagnation. zero performance per dollar uplift on this many new cards is no good

[u/PRSMesa182]

Their hoodie thumbnails are fantastic! 😂

[u/MarvelMan4IronMan200]

I don’t think GPU prices are coming down. Personally I think this is the new pricing tier that Nvidia will stick with like it or not. They might even continue to sell the old models next to the new gen

[u/Seanspeed]

"Should cost no more than $700"

Why? Why should a sub 300mm² GPU cost $700!?

That's still crazy.

Even $500, which would be acceptable, would be a significant price hike from what the 3060 cost.

Nvidia is getting their way here. All they need to do is another small price drop and people will start saying 'good deal!' and that's so sad. They've completely manipulated everybody into accepting much higher prices by starting out with exorbitant pricing.

[u/Jaidon24]

4% and 7% slower than a 7900 XT for while being 13% cheaper. I don’t like the prices of anything this generation but Nvidia is winning pretty easily this generation while looking like they’re trying their hardest to lose.

[u/SnooSketches3386]

for the used price of a 3090 you essentially get a 3090 ti with its arms missing (half the vram and bus width)

[u/Merdiso]

So yeah, nothing surprising - good card - destroys 1440p high-refresh rate and even RT with DLSS, amazing efficiency/architecture, too bad about the price.

Considering it's an actual replacement for the 3070 (if not even 3060 Ti), once we look at the specs compared to the flagship, a 599$ price would have moved the needle significantly.

At 799$, it's barely better than the other poor value offerings - assuming one will be able to buy one at 800$, that is.