- Hi, we're looking for Cassandra. - Yeah, it's her. How did you get my address? - [Nev] It really wasn't
that hard actually. - Okay. - [Nev] What is this? - [Kamie] Are we going to get jumped? - [Nev] Uh-oh. (dramatic tense music) Hello!
- Antoinette! - Hi. - Wow, that is some jacket. Or vest.
- It's a vest. - Yeah, don't mess with her. - Yikes.
(Antoinette chuckles) We just saw your email, Instagram crush. What is it about him that draws you to it? - Obviously we live really
far from each other, but we've built a connection
to where we trust each other, like even though we haven't met in person or seen each other. We definitely care about each other, like with all of our hearts. He's told me things that
he's never told anyone. - Has he ever been able to
definitively prove to you that he is him? - No, I've never seen him on, you know, like a camera or in person. So, no. - What do you think it's a little weird that you've never video chatted with him? - Yeah, it is. That's why I have little doubts, and that's obviously one of them. It's been too long. I feel like it's time to meet him. - Get ready for an adventure. - I am beyond ready. - All right, see you in Dallas. - Bye.
- Bye. - Man.
- Oof. - Obviously some very big red flags here. - Rapper. It's never a ukulele player,
it's always a rapper. - We'll find out more as we go. - So, what's the plan right now? so I can stop freaking out so much. - The plan is that we are
heading to the concert. - We're gonna go in. We're gonna kind of hang in the back. Inconspicuous.
- He's gonna see us. - [Nev] No, no, no, because
they're like backstage. - We're going to get a drink. - Chill out. - Watch the show. It's going to end, and then we'll go find
him and talk to him. (notification chimes) - [Antoinette] He just posted
a picture nine minutes ago. - [Max] Oh, what did he say? - It says, "Dressing room, getting ready." - [Nev] What's it like knowing that he's getting ready
right now backstage? - Oh, that makes me more anxious. - [Nev] Okay, so this is the bar. - Look at this. Look at all the people lined up to get in. - Wow, busy.
- It's packed. Oh my God.
- Oh man, this place is popular. - It's like a big deal. - [Antoinette] I'm like triple nervous. ♪ I tripped ♪ ♪ And fell in love with you ♪ - Holy (beep). - What is going on? ♪ Honest, you do what I aim to ♪ - This can't all be for this concert. - This is a big deal. Do you see that line?
- Oh my gosh, this is more stressful. - We are here. Wow. (tense music) - Oh my God. - Here we go.
- Oh my goodness. - Hey, what's up man?
- How you doing guys? (tense music) - Let's sit over here. Put her in the middle. - Yeah. - Are you okay? I know this is pretty weird. - I mean, like, yeah, it's
already enough, you know? And then this on top of it is not helping. (crowd cheering) - How's everyone tonight? Let me hear some noise! That's not loud enough. Get loud, get loud! Tandem, drop it. Let's give it up for the 20s, straight out of Boca Raton, Florida, 'bout to be worldwide. - [Max] There he is! - Oh my God. Oh my God. ♪ Dubstep blastin' ♪ ♪ So obsessed with fashion ♪ ♪ And she might just (beep) you over ♪ ♪ But she'll say it didn't happen ♪ ♪ I feel you all, I feel you ♪ - He looks the same. - So he's cute? You like the way he looks? - He looks the same, yeah. But it still stresses
me out that the manager said that wasn't his number. (energetic music)
(crowd cheering) - Thank you. Thank you Cantina, have a good night, man. - Yeah. We should go and try to find him. We'll go talk to them,
you wait, you hang back. Don't worry. - This made it even more dramatic. - [Max] Nev, let's go. (tense music) All right. - Hey, man, is this sort of backstage? - This is the back. I think they left I think they went this way. - They went outside, okay. Is that them? - Oh my God. - I think it's this way, dude. - They're probably like
back here somewhere, there's a parking lot or a ... - [Max] That's them
probably right there, Nev. - Oh my God.
- Come, come, come, come. - No, I don't want to. I'm freaking out. Remember, like, we don't know
if it's him or his brother. You have to ask first. - Stay with me. - Okay, so you go. You're the man.
- Okay. So you hang here. - I'll hang.
- And I'll go talk him. - All right, just go. (ominous music) - Oh my gosh. - Come on. Come here, come here. - Oh my gosh.
- Just come here. Just come here. we're just standing here. You can look through the shrubs. - What is he doing? I don't know. What is he saying? - I can't hear. - [Antoinette] Is that his brother? Oh my gosh, that's his
brother next to him. - [Max] Is it? - [Antoinette] In the middle of them. - [Max] Yeah, yeah, that
could be the brother. - This is way too much right know. It's making me feel more anxious. - [Max] Do you want to just ... Let's just walk over there. - No! - [Max] Yeah, come on. - No. What's taking so long? What can they possibly be saying? It's a simple question. Do you text her? Do you know Antoinette? Oh my gosh. - [Max] What does it look
like they're saying right now? - I don't know. - [Max] What's happening? - Okay, so, he had no
idea that we were here. None of them did. - What's the story? - So I said, like, "Do
you know why we're here?" And Albert said, "Well, I'm guessing it's
because of Antoinette." I was like, "So that's you, right? "That's the one, you've
been like talking to her?" He was like, "Yeah." (Antoinette chuckles) Let's just walk over there, come on. This is great. - [Max] Time to jump. - Why is it like ... Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. - So, I don't think I
need to introduce her. - Of course. - This is Antoinette.
- Hi. - What's up, bub? - [Max] Hey, I'm Max by the way. - Hi.
- How are you, good? Chillin'? - Yeah, y'all did so good. - [Albert] You saw it? - Yeah.
- What? - I was in the very back. - That's awesome. - I wish I saw you. - Do you guys know anything about this? - Oh yeah, he's told me tons about her. It's almost like just having a friendship, but they're attracted to each other, so it's all good. - So wait a second, so
I want to talk to you because you know that like this whole time we had this like shred of doubt or kind of concern that
maybe she was talking to you. - She's a beautiful girl. - No, no, but we're always trying to consider every option. - So when you saw us on stage, were you like, "That's legit"? - Yeah, it's so legit. I was like, "He looks the same." Like, "He sounds the same." Like everything. - You look the exact same. - Really?
- Yeah. - I look the exact same? - Yeah. I still can't get over
like turning to my right and being like, "Damn." You should have been like, "T!" I would have been like, "Oh (beep)." I would have pry stopped- - No, I didn't want, like, too shocked. - I would've probably
stopped the performance and been like, "Okay, so
she's real by the way." - 'Cause I used to ask him too. I was like, "Are you sure she's real? "Have you vid chatted her?" - Right, no, right. - But you know what? It's crazy, 'cause a
lot of times I saw her try to vid or whatever. It's in the car, no connection. Or we're at the studio, can't answer. So I guess they never got a chance to. But yeah, it's like, it's been going on for what? Almost two years, yeah. - Yeah. - Nev called your manager and he told him that like, he gave him your number and he's like, "So is this his number?" And your manager was like, "No." I was like, "What the (beep)?" - Oh yeah, he's like, "Dude, I just kept telling him no." - Okay, I thought that. - 'Cause I was like, "Dude, I don't want my number to anyone." - Yeah. - I'm private about it, you know? - I had to have that as
like a small, tiny doubt, but, like, I just knew. - We talk a certain way,
and like, no one ... I mean, the emojis we use. - I feel like I type the same, like I drag out my words for no reason. - Like 30 letters. You made me do it. That's so funny. - You know, it wasn't easy
to get her to come here. Showing up at your show
was a big deal for her. - It's a big step.
- Yeah. - That's a huge move.
- That's a huge first move. - That's true.
- Right. - So look, we've got some time, you guys are going to
be recording tomorrow. - Yeah, we have a studio session tomorrow. - You can hang out. You guys can talk. - That'd be fun. - Bye-bye. See you.
- All right. - Nice meeting y'all. - Bye.
- Bye. - See you tomorrow. - Okay. - [Max] I think that went pretty well. - I feel like he's really great. - Yeah.
- He's so sweet. - Like, our connection over the phone, it just like naturally
happened in person too. - Are you relieved? - I am very relieved. I feel so like cleared out now. It's just, like, stress free. - Ringing. Hey!
- Hey! How are you buddy? - I'm doing great. I'm tired though, I'm not gonna lie. - Why are you so tired? - I don't get sleep. I'm busy all the time. - Oh, like busy with what, work or? - I'm really focusing on
this game with my friend, it's pretty cool. - Like an app game or? - No, like a game like on a PC, and then later on we're going
to put it on a couple console. - So you're developing some software and some new games, that's cool. - Yeah, yeah. - So wait a second, take us back a little bit
and explain how you guys met. - Okay, I actually saw
her in suggested friends, and I went ahead and added her and then she messaged me. And a short conversation later, she gave me her phone
number, said, "Text me." So that's how we started off. - She was a suggested friend because before she moved to Wyoming she lived in Ohio, right? - She did. She lived within 40 minutes or so from me. - Had you guys tried to meet up? - Actually, yeah. I tried to meet with her
on more than one occasion, but she always blew me off
whenever I was like right there. And then she went off
to college to do track. - So at the time you were 17, you were finishing high school? - Yeah. - Were you not dating, or
you have a girlfriend, or? - During that time I didn't
necessarily have a girlfriend. I never really found a connection. But then when I started talking to Ja'la, she was able to break that down without ever actually
speaking to me face to face. I felt that was a strong moment, like if you're able to do that then there must be something there. She's the first person I
ever said I love you to. - Wow. - She didn't force me to say it. It felt good when I said it. People always want something
from you, and she didn't. There was times where I was broke and there was times where
I had plenty of money and things like that, and she didn't care what my situation was. She only cared about me, and I felt like that's
somebody I truly care for. - I think you've made Nev misty. - Well, it's very, like, that's a beautiful way
to talk about someone. - So what's going on
in your head right now? Are you really considering moving? - When she asked me to move out there I said, "Yeah, yeah. "I'll come right now. "I'll buy a ticket. "Let's go." And then I sat my phone down, I thought how it's gonna be really hard because I'm really vested
in the game with my friend. We really have a close bond
when it comes to the business, like we need each other, so it could ruin my friendship and my business partnership with him if I decided to up and leave for a girl. - You've got some big choices to make. - Yeah. - You obviously know of the
show, you wrote into us. You're clearly dating a catfish, right? - That's what I need to find out. I'm just lost. - In the history of our show, this has never been a great situation where you've never heard their voice or seen them on video chat. But, I think that your
story deserves an ending. - We want the case. We'll take it. - We'll take it. - Thank you guys, I
really do appreciate it. - The only issue is with
her full ride scholarship for track and field, I don't know that we're
gonna be able to catch her. (Jaylin laughs) There's gonna be a lot of hurdles. - She's really just been
running you in circles for the most part. - You know what? I can't. - All right, look buddy, sit tight, we'll see you soon. - [Jaylin] All right, see you soon. - So if there's a lot of people in there, it's gonna be really hard for us to like hear anything or film anything, so I think the best version of this is if I go in, find her. - [Max] If she's she's even in there. - If she's even still there. And then bring her out here. - Okay. We'll wait here, I guess. (ominous music) Either she knows who you are
or she has no clue who you are. - I've got a lot to ask. - Ja'la?
- Yeah. - [Nev] Hi, I'm Nev. I make a show called Catfish on MTV. - [Ja'la] Nice to meet you. - [Nev] Nice to meet you too. Strange as this may seem, we're trying to help a
young guy meet someone. I would love if you'd come outside. - [Ja'la] Uh, yeah. - I'm sure you're just as weirded out and confused as we are. (Jaylin sighs tensely) (tense music) Do you know this guy? - Yeah.
- You do? - You really were talking to me. - Okay. Oh my gosh. - [Max] Hi, I'm Max. - Ja'la.
- Hi Ja'la. Look, I think we've spent a
bunch of time with Jaylin. He's literally just getting
shocked with the fact that you are actually
who you said you were, which I was almost
positive wasn't the case. I think it would help us all just to know how this started for you, and then how did we end up here? - Three years ago I was
still in high school. It felt like I loved you, but my parents wouldn't approve of it. You're older than me. I met you off the internet. My dad's a preacher. It's just too much. - You know how long it's been? - I could see a year maybe. Maybe. That's pushing it, but three? If your parents are the
reason why I couldn't see you, you could have bumped into me
at a Walmart and said, "Hey." Like not even a phone call? - I'm busy. I do track. And then I have practice
right after school. And on top of that, I had dance practice. On top of that, I play volleyball. On top of that, I play other sports. - I'm sorry, what was your excuse for
not getting on the phone? I missed that. I understand how it can be
tough to tell someone the truth, but like I don't get it. - Oh, I was kinda trying to hold off 'cause I want to apologize to you. I was in a relationship, and I was still talking to you and telling you I love you and all that, and I had a boyfriend and I'm sorry. - Are you still with your boyfriend? - No, we broke up. - They helped me find the Instagram. I saw pictures of you and another person. Why didn't you put it on your Facebook? You know, at least let me know. Were you're trying to hide that from me? - Kinda. - Oh my gosh. When I tried to see
you, I went over there, didn't hear nothing from you. - I was actually at my
ex-boyfriend's house. I wasn't even sure if you were you, and then I was scared to meet you. So is that wrong for me to
be scared to meet somebody I have never met? I feel it's not. - You can send a voice memo. You could've called me. Your phone work. You a girl, you talk on the phone. - That's disrespectful to my boyfriend. - And you don't think
that's disrespectful to me? - I don't know you. I know you do texts.
- You know how long it's been? - I don't know you. - That was the whole point
of talking through text, so you can be comfortable
enough to see me in person. - Okay, I'm trying to see you. I'm seeing you right now. I apologize. - You had said things to him like asking him to come live here. - Yeah, and I really meant that. I'm older now. I'm out the house. I'm not with my parents. At the end of the day, my relationship wasn't working out. I want you to be a part of my life and I want you to at
least accept my apology. - You could have at least told me like what was going on so
I can choose my position. If you wanted me to be
like some side dude, then say, "Hey, you know,
I've got a boyfriend "but I want you to be around." And then let me choose what I want to do. - You were never a side person to me. - I've missed out on so
much the past three years because you want to play games. What's it going to be now
because you see me in person? - I care about you. I do. - You listened to me
when nobody else would. You're nice, you're smart, you're funny. You make me laugh even
when I don't want to and I didn't want to give up on that. - Okay. - I'm sorry. - I really want to believe you, but I need to walk away. - All right, I think we
better just break today. - Okay. ♪ Maybe if I can't explain ♪ ♪ The in between ♪ ♪ This and that ♪ - Stupid. - [Max] All right, let's go. ♪ Maybe on another plane ♪ - Hey guys! - Hey.
- Hello. - How are you?
- Hey Leuh. We're good.
- We're good. Yeah.
- How are you? - I'm good, thank you. - So, we just read your email. Why don't you just tell us quickly a little bit about Justin? - He is such a cool guy. I've never met anyone like
him before in my life. Like, he's tall, dark, and handsome. He has tattoos. We go to each other for our problems and we help each other through so much. He's just a really
important person in my life. Even when he stood me up twice. - In the email, you only told one story of when he stood you up. What was the other time? - The second time was I went
out to Vegas with my family. It was a few hours away from him. He didn't give me any heads up that he was gonna cancel on me, but he just started giving
me all these crazy excuses, like, "Oh, my car won't make it that far. "It's not working too well now." - I mean, you know that
something's up, right? - Yeah, but I can't move on. Like, this guy is so important to me. Like, I just love him too much. This is kind of like my last option. I really, really, really want to meet him. - All right, well, I know
you've waited a few years, but if you can wait, let us get out to you
and we'll track them down and hopefully you'll get
to lay eyes on Justin. - The man of my dreams. - Sure. - Thank you so much. - All right, Leuh.
- All right, Leuh. - Bye, have a good day. - See you.
- Bye. Oh man. - [Nev] Man of my dreams. - This girl's sweet. - I know, I want this to be real. - [Max] No, her heart's about to break. - I know, the reality is something's up. We should definitely head
up there and help her out. All right. - Rochester.
- Yeah. - Hi. - Hi Leuh, morning.
- Hey. - What's going on? - [Leuh] Not much. - Any news? Any update?
- No. - [Nev] So nothing, no text? - No. - This is a cowardly quality. You know what I mean? Like regardless of whatever his secret is, let's say he ends up
wanting to be with you, et cetera, et cetera, and you decide you're gonna
date him and everything. Like, this still happened where he was not man
enough to come forward when you need something. - Yeah, you're totally right. (Leuh sighs) I have no idea what to do from here. - We've spoken to his friend. Maybe he could just tell us where he is. - Should we call Todd? - Sure.
- Yeah. (line ringing) - [Todd] Hello? - Hey, good morning, Todd. It's Nev and Max again. - [Todd] Hey guys. - I'm actually calling
you from Huntington Beach. We flew out here yesterday. - [Todd] Nice. - Yeah, we were really
hopeful that we'd get a chance to meet up with Justin. Probably our last day here. - [Todd] Actually, I just left him. We just got done surfing
about 15, 20 minutes ago. - Okay. - [Todd] Today we went
like, south side of the pier between Tower 15 and 17 kind of. He should still be down there. - Thanks man.
- Bye. - Let's go to the beach. - You ever think about
why you're choosing Justin over guys at home? - Yeah, when I was younger I was awkward and unattractive. Guys would make fun of me. ♪ In the back of your
car in the early hours ♪ - Talking to Justin
made things a lot easier because he never knew who I used to be. ♪ And you're messin' with
my hair, but I want more ♪ - He saw me as somebody
that was, like, perfect, and he would just appreciate
me no matter what happened. Then he goes and does all of this. ♪ You know it's more than ever, ever ♪ ♪ Ever, ever ♪ - It's hard to think that I ever will feel the same way about somebody else. - [Nev] This is it. Keep your eyes peeled. (ominous music) - [Max] I see someone right
next to 15, to the left. - That could be him. This is the spot. All right. You ready to do this? - No, but it's now or never. (tense music) - [Nev] You all right? - Yeah, I'm just freaking out. Oh my God. - We should probably keep moving. - Okay, I'm sorry. - It's okay, you got this. - Hey. - What's up? - Hey man. - What's going on?
- How you doing? - Good. - Good to meet you. Nev.
- Justin. - All right man. - Max.
- Justin, nice to meet you. - Sorry to sort of sneak up on you. We spoke to Todd. He said you guys were out here surfing, so we just thought we'd give it a shot. - I mean, this is a little overwhelming. I got a little bit of explaining
to you guys, and to her. - Not to us. - Well, I mean, you know. - Is there a reason you didn't
want to meet up with us? - It's just, I didn't want to do the show. Like, I've seen the show. I know how people tend
to look on the show. I was looking out for what I
thought was our best interest by not doing it, and
you decided differently. - Yeah, but I've tried meeting up with you twice before this, so. - I know that. - I tried to give you a fair chance. - I know. I mean, like when she came out here, I was in a relationship. - Wow. - We live on opposite ends
of the country, you know? I had a real life in person
relationship going on and I have to still live my life. I wasn't going to go behind that girl's back either, you know? - Well, yeah, but I mean,
that was like a plan. She tells you she wants to come out here, and look at schools, and visit you, and you were very encouraging of that and were like, "Yes, this will be great. "We'll hang out." And if you knew at the time
that you were in a relationship, like that's kind of messed up because you kind of put yourself
and her in that situation. - Right, no, I mean, I
understand, it's just timing wasn't the best. And you know, when she was in Vegas, my car wouldn't make it. Like, these are like actual reasons. I'm not, you know, (beep) you guys, I'm totally not (beep)
you, and I told you that. I'm not trying to do that. - She was under the impression that you were also single right now, and she's single right now. - Are you single? - I'm not dating anyone right now. I'm sure you guys assume that as well, but that's not the case. - Then why did you not want
to meet up with me now? - I was nervous. - I'm nervous. - I know. I know, I mean, this is
like a big deal, you know? I'm a very private person
when it comes to that. - This was your last
chance to meet me though. Like I get that you're
nervous, I was nervous too. But at the end of the day,
this was your last chance. - I mean, did I ruin all hope for us? Like, obviously there's feelings. I mean, if you guys were in my shoes, talking to a girl for a couple of years, it's not me just messing
with her for two years. It's a waste of our time. Why would I even want to do that? - Sure, look, I don't
think you've really shown anything to back up
the things that you say considering how you
claim to feel about her. - I don't have to convince either of you. I don't have to convince anyone. - No, but you do have to convince her. - I do. - Look, Leuh is a pushover. (Leuh gasps) A little bit.
- She's young. - She is. I don't want her to get hurt more than she actually already is. The thing that I still
haven't heard you say is how you feel about her. This girl you've been talking
to for two and a half years is in front of you. She's real. What do you want to do? - I would like to talk to her. It's a little overwhelming having you guys here and facilitating. - Hi. - Hey!
- Hey! Larissa, we just read your email. We have a lot of questions. First question is how
does a girl so beautiful end up dating weirdos on the internet? - I don't just date random
people on the internet, but Yakima's pretty small and
I use internet for friends. Anthony just messaged me out of nowhere. - [Nev] But what about Jose? - He did the same. - Start telling us your story with Jose. Go through Anthony to
where we are right now. - Okay, well, with Jose
he and I started talking and he introduced me to
his cousins, Kimberly. We went to school together. He was like, "You know, she's new. "She don't really have any friends." So I started talking to her. We're best friends, we
do everything together. - And then Jose turns out to be Kimberly? - Yeah. - And was she in love with you? - [Larissa] Yeah, but I didn't know. She never told me anything. - Was she like, pretending
to be Jose on the phone? - Well, I mean, I will call him and talk, but Jose would never talk. He would text it. - You were calling a number where you would just hear breathing? - It wouldn't even be breathing. It would be on mute, so
I wouldn't hear anything. - Come on. - Yeah, that's wrong. I Know it's wrong. - Oh my God.
- In a few years the whole school knew. They were like, "You're being catfished." Like, "He's fake." And I'm like, "No, you guys don't know. "You don't know him. "Would you say that?" - [Nev] All right, so
that went on for how long? - Three years. - What? - Wait, you were talking
to Jose for three years? - Yeah, three years. - How do you get burned
by a three year catfish and then jump into another
online relationship? - Since I was talking to Anthony during when I was dating Jose. He would tell me, "If you feel
like you're being catfished, "do something about it." And that's kind of what
made me fall for him. And I trust Anthony because
we always talk on the phone. He calls me more than he texts me. - At least you know it's a guy. - Yeah, at least I know it's a guy. - We've made some progress. - But then he also gives
me a lot of reasons why I need your guys' help, because I would ask him, "Let's hang out." When he moved to Washington. And he stood me up three times. - Where did he move? 'Cause Washington's a big state. - He went to Seattle. Then he moved to Yakima. - He moved to Yakima? - He moved to Yakima,
yes, like right here. - Your little town.
- Yes. - I mean, that's impossible
that you wouldn't have seen him. - The biggest red flag for us is how willing you are to believe
anything anyone tells you. - Have you ever sent
him money or anything? - I did. I sent him close to $500. - I don't get it. Why? Why are you doing this to yourself? - Because I love him. He's kind, super easy to get along with. We would talk about personal things. I don't want to give up yet. I just want him to be real. - You need some help. - I know I do. - These online guys are coming to Yakima and we're actually coming to Yakima. - Thank you. I know I need the help. - We're coming to you. Bye, Larissa. (Nev sighs) She's one of the most naive
people we've ever talked to. This girl needs our help. - All right.
- Let's go to Yakima. You're gonna find this guy. You're gonna tell him how you feel and you're not gonna be the victim. - Do you guys work up here? - I fish here. - You ever seen this guy? - [Max] He works at a cannery. - Nope. - All right, well, thanks guys. ♪ All I ever ♪ - Have you ever seen this guy? ♪ Wanted was an answer ♪ - If you want something you've got to actually put in the work and go and get it. Hello.
- Hi. - You ever seen this guy? He might work at the cannery. - No. We don't get a lot of locals here. Try Harborside Coffee. - Local coffee shop. - [Max] This is active stuff. This is how you stop being a victim. There's the coffee shop. - [Nev] All right, you're up. You start asking for him. - Can we ask these guys here? Hey guys.
- Hi. - I'm like, starstruck right now. - You're starstruck?
- I love you guys. - All right, take a deep breath. - Do you guys know anyone named Jose? - Yeah.
- You do? - I might.
- You do? - Yeah. - Have you seen this guy? - He doesn't look familiar, no. - All right, thank you though. - Yeah, no problem.
- All right, thanks guys. We've got a question to ask you. - Have you seen this person? - [Max] This guy is supposed to work at one of the canneries. - No. Maybe the BME. A lot of the dudes go there. - [Nev] What's there? - The bar just down the way. That's where everyone hangs out. - Well then, that's a good spot to check. - Thank you. - Okay, let's go to the BNB. Come on, Larissa, you gotta lead the way. Oh boy. Sorry to barge in like this. - It's okay, we're used to it. Welcome to the bar. - You want a beer? - We're good. We're actually, we're on
a little bit of a mission. We're looking for a person. - His name Jose. - Jose.
- This person. - That's what he looks like. He's supposed to work at a cannery. - I've not seen this guy. Who's up here looking for him? - [Max] This lady. - Hi, I'm Rico. Nice to meet you.
- Hi, I'm Larissa. - So are you pretty excited
about meeting this person? - I'm nervous. - Are you nervous?
- I'm very nervous. - How long have you guys been chatting? - A year.
- A year? Well, you're beautiful, and I hope you find what
you're looking for, you know? - [Larissa] Thank you. - Are you single?
- Yes, I am. - Well, we know where we're
going if it doesn't work out. (patrons laughing) Do you know this guy? Have you ever served him before? - I think I've seen him before. - You've seen this guy before? - I think he works over there
at that seafood cannery. - Really?
- Really? - Where's that?
- Down the street. - Yeah, just over here. - All right, well that's something. - [Nev] Thank you for your help. - Bye.
- Thank you. - [Max] So the bartender knew. Look, wait, it's right there. (machinery whirring) - Sounds like they're open. (tense music) Let me see if anyone's in here. Hold on one second. (tense music) Hello? Hi. - [Jessica] Can I help you with something? - [Nev] Yeah, I just had a quick question. I'm Nev.
- Jessica. - Good to meet you.
- Good to meet you. What can I do for you? - I'm making a show. We're looking for a young man named Jose. - There are quite a few Jose's. - I have a photo. This guy. Does he look familiar? - He does. He's upstairs. - He's here. - I will grab him. - [Max] Wow, this is it. You ready? - I'm so scared. - Hey. Hey, what's up man? - Oh my God, I'm so scared right now. - Jose, right?
- Yeah. - Good to meet you.
- Nice to meet you. - [Nev] You know who
I am and why I'm here? - Yeah. But how do you know that I ... - Larissa reached out to us and we figured out that you're Anthony, and we want to meet you, but
you didn't get back to us, but we figured out you were here. We asked round and here you are. - [Jose] Yeah. - [Nev] So I have Larissa outside. Can you come meet-- - [Jose] I was wondering if
we can go somewhere else? - Sure. - Here he comes. Here he comes. (ominous music) - Okay. This is Larissa. Here, why don't I just leave this ... - [Jose] If you guys could follow me. - [Nev] Yeah, wherever's cool for you. - You know what you're gonna ask? - Why. I'm gonna ask why. (tense music) - [Nev] All right. - Do you want to maybe explain everything? - I can't really. Just start it somewhere. 'Cause I wasn't thinking about ... I just did it 'cause, I don't know, there's no an easy way to explain. - Explain it however you can, because I want to know. We came to Alaska. - We came all the way here. - All we know right now is that you've been lying to Larissa. That she sent you money. that you promised to
meet her a couple times. - Yeah. - So right now we're trying to figure out if you're this big, bad, (beep) head jerk. - Piece of (beep). - That's not who I am. I'm not a big piece of (beep). - Who is Anthony and
why'd you create the page? - I created the page just
to get back at Anthony, who was a former friend
of mine in Seattle. - So Anthony's pictures
that you were using are of-- - Those are actual pictures. Anthony (beep) me over by
getting into a relationship with the girl that I
was with at that time. I found out, and I decided
to make a fake profile to (beep) him over with his girlfriend. I kind of told her all this (beep) and made her think that
Anthony was a piece of (beep). - I've had friends (beep)
me over all the time and I don't go and make a profile. - I used it just to (beep) him over. - Why don't you just be the man and go up in front of him and be like, "Hey, you stole my girl. "Let's, like ..." You know, something. - I know I (beep) up and I regret it. - I feel like you're not really sorry. I just want to know why. Why me though? - Like, really? Like, I don't even know why I chose you. I was talking to you like anybody else. At first it was just a game to me. - Yeah, to you. - To me it was just a game. But then after a while it
just became something else. - Did you have real feelings for her? - I like her as a friend. - [Max] As a friend? - As a friend. - You were the first one
to tell me you loved me. What do you mean? My heart was broken when I
was talking to you about Jose. You just broke it more. You don't know how that feels. That's not right. - What's up with the money. Why'd you ask for it? - At that point, I was
basically using her basically to be able to get home. - Oh, but you're not
doing a piece of (beep)? Oh, okay. - I was basically homeless
for six months in Alaska, but then I got into an accident and the hospital paid my
plain ticket to San Diego. And that's how I got home. That money that she sent, I never touched. - You couldn't have even really
picked up the money anyway. You don't have an ID that
says Anthony Ramirez, how were you gonna get it to begin with? - Instead of showing your ID,
you can do test questions. - Did you ever do that with him? - [Jose] Yeah, she did. - Yeah, I made questions. - Then she'd tell me the answer. - Okay, well. - Why did you leave San
Diego and come back here? - I came to Kodiak to stay away. I wanted a fresh start somewhere where I know that nobody knows me. - To hide. - [Jose] To hide. - You fled the lower 48 to
come to Alaska and start anew? That only generally happens when like you've murdered somebody. - I got into some issues. - So there are other things
that we don't know about? - Yeah. I had issues with the law and now I'm basically on the no fly list. Basically, I can't go back to California. - You're kind of a fugitive. - Yeah. That's the honest truth. - Hey!
- Hey! - Hey, how's it going? - What's up Kaden? - I'm doin' pretty good. - This is Kamie by the way.
- Nice to meet you. - I don't know if you've
seen her in recent episodes. - [Kaden] Nice to meet you, Kamie. - [Nev] What's up, man? Have you always lived in Salt Lake City? - I have. - How's that?
- It's awesome. I mean, it snows a lot. Good snowboarding and skiing. - Cool. Okay, so tell us about this cruise. Take us back. - All right, so we get on this cruise and I believe it was the first night we were having like that
big, like, dining dinner. And I looked up and there was just this unbelievably gorgeous girl. I couldn't believe my eyes. So I started talking to her and it was just all kind of like a dream because we ended up spending
the entire cruise together because we just clicked like that. - And she lives in Hawaii? - Yeah. - And did you guys hold
hands, kiss, make out? - Go to second base. - We held hands a little
bit towards the end. - [Nev] Held hands. - But other than that we didn't kiss or make out or anything. I was a shy little guy. Right before the cruise is
over I got her Instagram. Got home, and like immediately we started talking quite a bit. We did FaceTime a couple of months after. - But since she got a new number you haven't spoken or FaceTimed? - Nope. We've been talking on Snapchat since. - Was there ever an explanation for why she got a new number? - [Kaden] She told me that she just got a new phone for Christmas. - You can get a new phone and
not have to get a new number. - Right. I definitely thought it
was pretty suspicious. - So wait a second, why don't
you talk on the phone anymore? - I don't know. I've asked her and she always has excuses. - Like what?
- That she's busy or she's at school. Or like why we never FaceTime anymore, she's always told me your
cameras have just been broken. - But she's still
posting on her Instagram. - Right, she tells me those are like professionally done pictures. - But is she like Insta famous? - I'd say yeah. - How many followers does she have? - Like 20,000.
- Wow. Do you guys still DM through Instagram? - No, we don't use Instagram anymore. - So you've been talking
nonstop for three years, but it went from FaceTime,
and like sending pictures, and all that, and talking on the phone to now Snapchat text only. - Yeah. - Something's going on. I think there's a chance when her number switched
something happened. - [Kaden] Yeah, no, for sure. - Well, I hope it's her and I hope we get to go to (beep) Hawaii. (Kaden and Kamie laugh) - Yeah. - So, if we end up doing this,
there's a chance we might meet up with her on Valentine's Day. (Kamie gasps) - Oh my God. - You got to kiss this girl. It's like true love's kiss. - You have to kiss her. - [Nev] Have you ever
seen "The Little Mermaid"? - I have. - You're the prince and she's Ariel because she basically lives in the ocean. She has no voice. She has no voice. She's a mermaid! She's a mermaid! She got legs to go on
the cruise to meet him and then she went back into the ocean and she doesn't have her voice anymore. - It's 'cause of Ursula. - It's Ursula.
- Wow. - Wait, all right. So hang tight.
- Yeah. - Give us till tomorrow
morning to get all our crew out to Salt Lake city. - Just to let you guys know, I'm actually staying with my
friend for a couple of days 'cause my mom didn't want me
to like go on national TV. She kicked me out for that reason. - So you're trying to
risk it all for this girl? - You miss 100% of the
shots you don't take. - Yeah, but you also miss your
bed if you can't come home. (Kaden laughs)
- That's true. (Kamie laughs) - All right, we'll see you soon. - [Kaden] All right, have a good one. - See you.
- Later. - Oh my gosh, Kamie. (Kaden laughs) I don't know what I'm gonna say. - Start with hi. - Hello.
- Hi. - [Kamie] What's your biggest question? What do you want to know the most? - [Kaden] Who have I been talking to. - Who have I been talking to. And just let her talk. Sometimes, especially
when people are lying, once they keep talking the lies just start to unravel themselves. - [Nev] Is Adriana working here now? She is. - (sighs) We cam all this way. - [Kaden] Almost 2,200 miles. - Time to get some answers. - Yeah. - [Nev] I know you're working. Do you have two seconds? - Yeah.
- I've got Kaden. - Okay.
- He really wants to see you. Can you maybe talk to us
outside for a little bit? - Yeah, certainly.
- All right. - Now I have anxiety. - Yeah, it's really hitting me now. - [Kamie] Here goes nothing. - [Kaden] Let's start rolling. - She said she'd come outside to meet us. Oh, there she is. There she is. (tense music) - Hey.
- How are you? - Good. Good to see you.
- I know, good to see you too. - So what's up? I'm Nev obviously, we just met. This is Kamie.
- I'm Kamie. - Nice to meet you. Adriana.
- Nice to meet you too. - Here we are.
- Mm-hm. - We have a lot of questions. We spoke to Alicia and she told us that it was actually her that had been communicating with Kaden for the past few months sort of pretending to be you. Is that true? - Yeah. - Alicia saw your Instagram through ... She has access to my feed, number one. We're best friends, it's not-- - She has access to your account? - Yeah. And then she saw your feed through there and was like, "Oh, he's really cute." And then she asked me about you. And then I told her who you
were, met you on a cruise. She messaged you without my knowledge. I didn't know that it got
to the extent that it did. She let me know that it happened. And when she did, it was
like, she downplayed it a lot. She was like, "Oh, it was
like only a one time thing. "I was just trying to like, I don't know, "see if the vibe was there." And I was like, "Okay,
that's a little odd." But I mean, she's like,
"I'm just feeling him out." I don't know, she thought you were cute. So I was like, "This is my friend. "I guess I'll support it." I didn't know that she was
doing it so frequently. - How could you not tell me? I mean, how long have I
been talking to Alicia? - It's been on and off. - So when Alicia asked you about Kaden, you said you guys were good friends? - Yeah. - So for all these years, that's the extent of how you feel or do you feel more than that? - No. We're good friends, yeah. I mean, we were very young when we met and we only spent like
maybe, I don't know, not even like a whole day together. So it was, we didn't really
know each other enough for me to actually like have feelings or feel any type of way. - To him sort of felt like could be the beginning of a young romance. (Adriana chuckles) He said you guys, like, I
know this sounds corny to say, but like held hands. - I have no recollection of holding hands or being affectionate in any way. - [Nev] So you didn't feel sparks? - I didn't. - Does that sound honest? I mean, I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just like, for all these years you had no idea that he
had feelings for you? I don't know, is he blowing
this out out of proportion or are you trying to downplay it? The way he tells the story
he's like super into you. - I didn't pick up on it. I mean, every once in a while there was lighthearted
flirtatious messages, but I mean, I feel like
I didn't reciprocate. I don't know if that is ... Can you acknowledge that? - Hm? Um, kinda.
- Yeah? Okay.
- Yeah, I mean ... - But I've got to say,
beyond all that, to me, it's odd to just have friends, you know, taking over your social media accounts and talking to people on your behalf, especially considering your
page and your following. I would think that you
wouldn't want somebody who's potentially having conversations outside of your knowledge
with other people. - I think it's just the trust factor. - I mean, look, after all these years, it feels a little weird
to me that you wouldn't be a bit more empathetic to Kaden knowing that this relationship maybe meant a little bit more to him, but that also for the past few months, like, has been sort of falsely
perpetuated by your friend through your account with your knowledge. - No, I definitely, I do apologize for whatever she had said. - Why didn't you say something to him? Why didn't you clear it up? - Alicia's more of a friend to me and I felt like my that's
where my loyalty lays. - [Kamie] Do you have a boyfriend? - I do. Mm-hm. - Is it Michael? - Michael, yeah. - How long have you guys been together? - We're going on seven months. Yeah, a little bit. - What do you think the chances are that we can talk to Alicia? 'Cause we've been trying to. - Oh, really? I could definitely hit her up. Let me see if you guys can all meet. - Okay, that would be great. I should probably get back to work, okay? Bye. - Thanks.
- Nice to meet you. - [Kaden] See you. - She just feels very ... - Cold. There's just a way that you handle people on an empathetic level that she just didn't give a (beep) about. - I feel like she would've
come out and bene like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry." - She just brushed that off her shoulder like it was nothing. And I mean, three years,
sorry, four years, I don't know how that
can turn into nothing. - It's all a little weird. All right, why don't we get back-- - All right. - Back in the car. - [Craig] Hello, hello, hello. - Craig!
- Yay. Oh, look at his tattoo. - What is your tattoo? - It says, "Love." - At least it doesn't say "Zoe." (Craig laughs) - What's going on over
there and heartbreak hotel? - It's bad. - How often were you guys talking? - Every day for like a good year. From the time I woke up
the time I went to sleep. I was struggling. She kinda lifted my spirits up. It felt good to have someone
that really had your back. Then it started declining. When it became like a repeated cycle to every time we're trying to meet up, like, there's always an excuse it became like, okay,
what's really going on here? - Did you guys ever video chat? - Never video chatted. And when I asked, you know, "Why don't you just
send me a new picture?" It was like me asking
her for a bag of gold. We went through all the pain and the hurt. I tried to see the best in her. I want to be with her, but I really want to know
who I gave my heart to. - All right, well, look, we're going to pack up and head to you. So get ready for that. - Wow, I'm speechless right now. - We're going to do this
together, okay Craig? - [Craig] All right, man. - Later.
- Bye. Later. - Okay. Should we do it? - Let's do it. (ominous music) - Yeah, go for it. (knocking on door) (ominous music) I don't see any cars in the driveway. - It's definitely the house. - I don't see any ... The lights on. (doorbell ringing) - That's pretty loud. - The garage doors are open, so. - [Max] Someone's home. - I feel like you wouldn't
just leave those open, right? - Should we try calling her? (line ringing) - [Phone] Your call has been forwarded to an automatic voice message system. - [Nev] It doesn't look
like anyone's here. - What should we do? I think someone's in there. I think they're watching us. - That's what I'm thinking. - [Max] Here's a car. (tense music) - [Craig] Kind of looking like ... - [Miriah] That's her. - I think that's her.
- That's her. - Or someone. (tense music) Hi.
- Hello, hello. - Hello. - Hi, we're looking for Cassandra. - Yeah, it's her. How did you get my address? - [Nev] It really wasn't
that hard actually. - Okay. - So you're Zoe? - Yeah. (Cassandra laughs) Okay. - Obviously you know who I am, Craig. - [Cassandra] Yeah, I'm fully aware. - And this is my sister, Mariah. - [Cassandra] Yeah. - Oh man. - I imagine you know why we're here. You've been pretending to
be this girl Zoe online now for quite some time, and we were hoping to see
if you had an explanation, or some excuse, or
anything you wanted to say. - I don't got no excuse. - What was your purpose? Like why? - It was just a joke that
just got out of hand. - But what you've done, like you know how many times
I I played it in my mind, like, am I (beep) crazy? - You don't have to sit there
and tell me what I've done, because I'm fully aware of what I've done. - But why? What'd you get from it? - It was just like a game, a joke. Put people on blast basically. - [Craig] Put people on blast? - [Max] To get revenge on them or? - I wouldn't say revenge,
just mess with people. - But we just spent the last three days talking to people whose relationships and lives you've ruined. - [Craig] Like a whole community. A whole--
- Yeah, I know. - My life too. - Yeah, yours too. You made me lose trust with people. You made me break up
relationships that I have with some of my closest friends. Even you, I thought, was a close
friend of mine at the time. - I'll kept it real with
you about your friends. I really didn't feel bad. - But none of those people
did anything to you, right? - No, not really. - Do you know, you stab me in the heart plenty of times, you know,
playing me, lying to me, and I still stood by your side. - Yeah. - You've done some nasty (beep), like why? - There's no explanation for it. Yes, I know I have. - But there is an explanation somewhere. - Okay. I truthfully just did it ... It just got out of hand. I did it for fun. I'm not gonna lie, I made some-- - So pretty much it got you off. - Did you have feelings for Craig? - No. - [Max] That was just a game? (Cassandra laughs) - I mean, yeah, kinda. I mean, but it goes both
ways in this situation. It wasn't just all me now. The fake profile wasn't me. - But it was you. At the end of the day, it was Cassandra. Several times we were on the phone, you sit here and tell me
that you want real love. And I did everything in my
power to give you just that, just to be (beep) on in the end. - That's a great, but I just ... - You don't get it. I'm looking at you. I know you don't get it. - Whatever. I don't need this. ♪ The acorn on a string was for you ♪ ♪ It was for you and only you ♪ - Okay.
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