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>>: I was thinking about it last night, I was thinking about it this morning like, what is the motive here? Does she want money? >>: She would have asked by now. >>: Well, maybe it's like this long-winded thing of like, befriending her for a while and then all of a sudden, coming up with like some grand scheme. Kiana said she cries broke all the times. She's like, "I don't have the money, I don't have the money." >>: There has to be something else. There has to be a reason. Why? Why, why, why? What is the point? Like why doesn't she wanna show up? >>: Let's just check in with Maritha. Send her a text. Hey. How's it going? >>: She had something to tell Sparkayla that was gonna hurt Sparkayla's feelings. >>: Uh! Still driving. Where should I meet you? Let's meet at a park downtown. Here's the address. You ready? >>: Yes. (Nev) Let's go get our girl. (hip hop music) >>: She said, "Okay, I'm really, really nervous but ready. "See you guys soon." Hey, girl. >>: Hi, guys. >>: All right, well this is it. >>: I'm really, really, really nervous. I'm just confused like, I thought it was Maritha, thinking it's her and then now, it just turned into like, I don't even know. Well she has the answers so. >>: Somebody has the answers. >>: This is the park we're going to. (suspenseful music) (Kamie) Let's do this. (suspenseful music) (Sparkayla) I'm really nervous, Kamie. >>: Geese. (Sparkayla) So I gotta be the one to sit right here and wait for her to walk in, huh? (Kamie) Mm-hmm. (Sparkayla) Oh, goodness gracious. >>: I'm gonna say, "We're here. Are you close?" (geese honking) (laughing) (Kamie) Is that a sign? I don't know, I'm scared. >>: I wonder what spooked 'em. (phone ding) Whoop. I just pulled into the parking lot. >>: Oh my goodness. >>: You guys wait here, I wanna see. >>: Well I'm just really stressed out right now, I'm really nervous. I have no idea. Ope. >>: Oh my. (Kamie) Can you see? (Sparkayla) Oh my God. (Nev) You guys wait here, I wanna see. I don't see anyone over there. Ope. Here we go. (Kamie) Is that her? Can you see? (suspenseful music) (Nev) Hi. >>: Oh my God. (Nev) Hi, Nev. >>: Maritha. >>: Maritha. >>: That's her. >>: Yeah, that's her. >>: Interesting. Very confused. But hopefully, you'll explain all of it. (Maritha) I will. (Nev) You got us all really scratching our heads on this one. >>: Yeah, that's the girl on the picture. >>: So, this is Maritha from the photo. >>: How are you? >>: I'm good. >>: So it's you. >>: It's me. >>: I don't know what to say. I'm speechless. >>: Kamie. >>: Oh sorry, and Kamie. (Maritha) Nice to meet you. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: What? >>: So-- yeah. >>: Yeah, what... Okay, I have a whole lot of questions. >>: Well wait, why don't we let you start maybe, 'cause I know you said you had some stuff you wanted to talk about. >>: I know it seemed like I was shady but I'm really who I am. I was just shady because I had a lot of disappointment in my life when I tried to meet my family members. Like who Dijone blew me off. Like everybody basically was just like, "Oh, no, we don't wanna deal with you," you know? >>: I never made you feel like that. From day one, when you told me you was my sister, I just accepted you. I didn't have no proof, no evidence, no nothing and I just accepted you. >>: You did. >>: I opened myself up to you a whole lot. >>: You did. I'm sorry if I hurt you. >>: I'm just confused because like, the video chat thing, like... >>: Yeah, why you didn't wanna video chat? >>: That's weird. >>: Like, why was it-- >>: It never really worked. It was never really a good time for me. >>: That's pretty strange behavior. >>: True. I just, I have a lot going on, I'm always working so. You know, maybe I did distance myself for a little while. >>: It just feels like this is a situation that could have happened a long time ago. >>: Yeah, it could have happened in San Diego, like. >>: Were your really in San Diego? (Maritha) I was. >>: Did you really leave San Diego? >>: I did. I don't think I was ready. I wasn't ready. >>: So you made me wait another year? >>: I wasn't ready. >>: This is... This is so crazy, like. >>: Just to confirm, what's your dad's name. >>: His name is Tommy. >>: Okay, and that's your dad's name? >>: Yes. >>: But you have a different last name. >>: I do. I have my mother's last name. (Nev) Got it. >>: Did you always know that Sparkayla's dad was your dad? >>: When I was younger, my mom told me I had a sister named Sparkle. I've been trying to meet her for a long time and when I had a MySpace, I went on there putting in Sparkle (bleep). But nothing ever came up. One day four years ago, I talked to my uncle and he just spilled the beans. He's the one that gave me her information so I started talking to her on Instagram and then we started talking. >>: Everybody's question is like, we never heard anything about a other sister. So that's kinda like why at this point, I feel like we need to do a DNA test. I need to know for my own self now. >>: We actually looked into that and there is a place nearby that does these tests. Are you open to taking a paternity test? >>: No. (Nev) Why? >>: I don't want you to get hurt. >>: Why you think I'm gonna get hurt? >>: My dad made a statement before about one of us. So I don't want one of us to get hurt. >>: About one of us? >>: Mm-hmm. >>: Okay, wait. So hold on a second. You're in touch with your dad? >>: I am. >>: Are you suggesting that she may not be his daughter? >>: That's what you think? Did he tell you that? >>: Yes. >>: Wow. When did your dad tell that to you? Before you reached out to her? (Maritha) No. (Nev) So after-- (Maritha) I reached out to her. >>: Interesting. >>: Jesus. That's just a lot. (Maritha) Yeah, this is gonna... Yeah. >>: We can take a test, I'm ready. >>: I would love to just get the answer to all this. I've been waiting 8 seasons to do a DNA test. Can we just go there? Is it open now? >>: Yeah, it's around here somewhere. >>: Okay, great so now that all this is out in the open, are you comfortable potentially doing a DNA test? (suspenseful music) >>: Yes, I'll do it. >>: You both understand like, this is a big deal. This is not like, any light (bleep). >>: Yes. >>: Yeah. It's been 2 years, I need to know. >>: Okay, great, so let's head over there. This is crazy. (Sparkayla) My dad is not my dad, wow. That's a first. (Kamie) But you don't believe that? (Sparkayla) No. I don't believe that at all. ♪ When I'm icy I am all that I see ♪ ♪ Wanna feel wanna make it happen I ain't sleep ♪ >>: This whole experience, oh my gosh, it really got me mind blown. (Nev) This is it. >>: Like, I'm just hoping that Maritha is who she says she is. Are you ready for this? (Maritha) Oh, scary. >>: I know. ♪ Wanna feel wanna make it happen I ain't sleep ♪ >>: The results will be expedited so we should receive them within 12, 24-hours. We should have them by tomorrow. >>: Sometime tomorrow? >>: Yeah. >>: If the DNA does not match, then we have a situation. >>: Yikes. Let's see if Maritha's my sister. ♪ Feel like everyone ♪ ♪ Can you feel it ♪ (Voice On Phone) Please enjoy this Verizon-- >>: Oh my God. (classical music on phone) (Kamie On Phone) Hello? >>: Hi. The test results are ready. >>: I'm gonna go get the girls. Why don't you go get test results and then we'll all meet over at Sparkaylas? >>: Just make sure that envelope is sealed! (Nev) All right, see ya soon. Good morning. >>: Good morning. >>: Eh? >>: I'm like super nervous, anxious at the same time. ♪ No matter no matter ♪ >>: Oh man. Am I the only one freaking out? Hi. They're ready? >>: Are you sure? Oh my gosh. Thank you. >>: Thank you so much. >>: Bye. >>: Not opening, it's too tempting. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. I am not opening it. There we go. It's like having a big piece of chocolate cake just sitting next to you. Too much pressure. (mellow music) (knocking on door) >>: Hey, you look cute. Come in, guys. (Nev) Look at you guys, twinsies. (laughing) >>: Not only are we twinsies, we're twinsies. >>: Hi. >>: Hi, can I give you a hug? >>: Nice to meet you. (Nev) Maritha. >>: Maritha. You're who you said you were. You're the girl in the picture, yes. >>: It's been long. (Sparkayla sighs) You know, 2 years and now it all plays out today. Kamie, where are you? >>: Coming in with the... >>: With the Maury Povich package. (laughing) >>: Drum roll. (rapping knuckles on table) (knocking on door) >>: Oh my goodness. >>: Hello. (Kamie) Hi. >>: Thank you. >>: Hi. >>: Hey! I didn't peek. >>: My heart is jumping out of my chest, like-- >>: I know, mine too. (Maritha sighs) >>: So, here are the results. You ready to do this? >>: Okay. (suspenseful music) >>: Let's hold hands, you guys. >>: All right. (suspenseful music) Okay. Based on the results of the analysis obtained from the DNA listed, (suspenseful music) the probability of half-siblingship (suspenseful music) is 99.89%. (cheering) >>: Oh my God, thank you, Jesus. Lord. ♪♪ (Maritha crying) >>: Oh man. >>: Oh my goodness. I am so happy. This is just the best. >>: Whew. >>: Like wow, thanks for finding her. >>: Thank you. That's awesome. I need to take a picture of this. >>: And take it to the next family reunion. (laughing) >>: I'm sending it to my sisters right now. >>: Somebody send it to your daddy too. Airdrop his ass 'cause you guys are taking your power back. (Nev) Just happy that a mystery 30 years in the making is finally solved. >>: This is amazing. (Nev) Well I think our work here is done. (suspenseful music) >>: You know me? Hmm? What's your name? >>: Patricia. Patricia? Ooh. So, why all this? >>: It was never like, with malicious intent. It never was. >>: But you still played with emotions and (bleep). >>: I mean, I can't force you to believe it, but the feelings really weren't a lie. >>: Is that the only profile that you ever made in your life? >>: Yeah. And for you to believe it, like I said, I'm not gonna force you to. >>: Wait though, like, why'd you let a child into the situation that wasn't even real. I just wanna know why'd you do that? >>: I did lose a kid myself. Little girl. >>: So that's real? >>: That's real. I need a minute. I need a minute. >>: Whoa, take a minute. (Nev) Hey, sorry. We wanted to let you guys talk but I don't want you to leave before I get to say hello. >>: Hi. (Nev) What's your name, I'm sorry? >>: Patricia. (Nev) Patricia. This is Kamie. >>: Hi. >>: I'm Nev. I understand this is emotional, it's a lot. But don't walk away from it. So Patricia. >>: Yes. >>: You're from Denver? >>: I am, mmhmm. (Nev) Okay, and how old are you? >>: I'm 20. (Nev) You're 20? >>: Yes. (Nev) So you-- okay, and when did you start the Sabrina profile? >>: 4-years-ago. >>: Okay, so around the time that you met him was when you first created the page. (Patricia) Right. (Nev) Was there a reason initially, or? >>: I've always been like a bigger girl so I've been bullied all the way from the time I entered school till almost I got out. So I was like, a sophomore and then there was this guy and he's like, "Hey, I think you're really beautiful," and he had planned for us to go to the movies. And I was waiting, and waiting, and waiting and I finally get a text from him, he's like, "Hey, this was a joke. It was a prank, it was a bet." So that kinda just destroyed me 'cause like why am I someone's laughingstock, you know? That put me in a dark place. I just wanted to be called, like pretty so that's when I had made that page. >>: I mean, I totally understand initially doing it just to kind of get some positive feedback but at some point, did it become clear to you that you could use the profile to lure men in and then kind of get them to possibly do things? >>: No, I'm not that type of person. (Nev) But at some point, you started asking for money. >>: I've never asked for money. >>: He told us that-- >>: Getting your nails done. >>: He did send you some stuff. (Patricia) Yeah. >>: Right? >>: I understand that. You did. >>: You just like used my kindness and (bleep). >>: I just don't know what to say. >>: What about the cousin? >>: You have other fake profiles? >>: I just had those 2. (Nev) Wait, so the Sabrina one and the cousin? >>: So that's fake? That was a fake profile as well. >>: So that was you? >>: Right. I friend requested him because he was messaging, flirting with other friends and there was other females on Instagram he was flirting with. So, I needed to catch him in the act. >>: Hard for you to justify as someone who's been lying to him, it's a tough sort of case to make. (Patricia) Right. >>: What'd I ever do to you for you to impersonate and come back as someone fake and (bleep) with my feelings? >>: Actually, let me just start off by saying I had a daughter April 15th, 2015. So, I had her and she was just not developed. >>: She was premature. >>: Right. So we were sitting in the hospital so I made Sabrina's page because I was sitting there kind of like bored and hoping my daughter would, you know, make a recovery. So that gave me something to do. (Nev) So wait a second. You started the profile while you were in the hospital with your daughter? (Patricia) Yeah. (Nev) But you just told us a different version of the story. >>: So I had just went through this guy like making me his laughingstock and I was in the hospital with my daughter trying to see if she has a fighting chance. (eerie music) So we were in the hospital until December and then they unhooked her from NICU, she didn't live past 3 hours. So, that was like where it was getting deeper 'cause that's my child, you know? (eerie music) >>: Now obviously, like, it's impossible not to feel for you, we all feel for you. But if this story is true and you're someone who has had a daughter who passed, how can you fathom creating that scenario for another woman and her child? >>: I'm not making a pity story. Like all I can say is I'm sorry. All the I love you, that wasn't fake. (suspenseful music) >>: I'm kinda done for the day. >>: All right. All right, well look, this is a big deal. Would you be willing to meet us tomorrow, see what we can... >>: Come up with tomorrow. >>: Yeah. >>: Okay. (Nev) We'll speak to you soon. That was a lot. (Joshua) That was intense. >>: You can't help but to feel for her because she's obviously been through a lot of (bleep) for someone who's only 20-years-old. But at the same time, it's hard to know how much of her story to believe. >>: With her and her stories and lies, I just feel like it's a messed up story what happened with her daughter and stuff but like, considering the lies, how do we know that she wasn't just using that to get what she wants? >>: And it sounded like when you were over here with her, she said she only had the one profile. >>: Yeah. >>: But then slowly, it came out about the second one. That makes me wonder, like is she being completely honest? >>: Right. I feel like everything's a lie, like, you know what I'm saying? Just like who's the real you? (mellow music) (knocking on door) (Nev) Yep? >>: Good morning. (Kamie laughs) >>: Check this out. I found Patricia's real Facebook page. She's a real person, she's got a real Facebook. >>: Did you notice anything about her mentioning a baby? >>: I don't know, I don't see anything. Let's scroll down. It doesn't look like 2015 was a year spent in the hospital with a sick kid who then passed away. Look, I can't be the one to second guess whether or not she did have a premature child who then passed away or if she told us to illicit sympathy. >>: Yeah. >>: I'm not gonna press her on that. >>: It's a touchy thing. I would hope that she wouldn't make something like that up. (knocking on door) Good morning. >>: Good morning, good morning. (Nev) How you feeling about everything? >>: I'm kind of concerned about a lot 'cause it's lie after lie and like, who knows what lie is true and what lie isn't? How am I supposed to trust what you say? >>: Right. I mean we just scrolled through her Facebook back into 2015 and she looks pretty happy. There's no mention of any great loss or tragedy. >>: It's hard to not believe what she's saying. >>: But it's also hard to believe her. Until she's honest with us and herself, there's only so much we can really get through to her. All right, let's message her. (suspenseful music) Okay. We can meet at a place called Neighbors. >>: I felt like a lot of stuff is just like a lot of lies. Really don't know what to believe. (suspenseful music) Good afternoon. (Kamie) Hey. >>: Here, have a seat here. Hello again. How you feeling? >>: Actually, I got a text message last night saying some nasty things. Do you mind if I... (suspenseful music) (Nev) You're (bleep) disgusting bitch for catfishing. Don't let me find out where you live because you'll be done for ho (bleep) pig (bleep) fat (bleeping) fatass. >>: That's wild. How did this person get your number? >>: That's what I'm trying to ask you. It's a Phoenix number. I don't know if it was maybe you. >>: You thought that text could've come from Joseph? >>: Yeah. Him or like, somebody he has told. >>: No, I haven't told anybody except for my little sister. Everybody thinks I'm at work. >>: That's true. How would they know? >>: Yeah. >>: Yeah, how would they know it would be you? >>: I don't know. >>: I find that (bleep) strange as (bleep) though 'cause like-- >>: So do I. >>: Can't you see who texted it? What's the number? >>: It's a-- >>: 'Cause we can Spokeo it. What's the area code of the number? (Patricia) 408, Phoenix. >>: That's not a Phoenix number. You probably thought it was a 480 number 'cause 480's a Phoenix number. >>: Oh, okay, yeah. That's why I kinda connected to him. >>: If it's a text app number, then you can create any area code that you want. >>: Yeah, that's weird as (bleep). That's not, definitely not me. >>: Well why don't we give you guys a minute to talk and then we can all say goodbye for now. >>: What I would want going forward is at least a friendship. You know, that's entirely up to you 'cause you had to go through it. And I respect your decisions. There is. But at the same time, like, I just don't know what to believe. I don't know what to trust. >>: Yeah. >>: And I hope you'll accept that. >>: We have so much to talk about. Where are things with you and Chance? >>: I don't know where they're at because with Chance father passing, the communication from there was like, just kind of scarce. I was, you know, checking like, "Hey, how you doing? Like are you good?" And I would get like one or two-word responses. >>: And do you know for sure that the dad died? >>: I don't know for sure but it was just so coincidental that that happened, you know, at the time when we were supposed to try to meet up. >>: Right. If he lied about everything, this guy is one of the craziest Catfish liars I think we've ever seen. All right, I think this is just right down the street here somewhere. Oh wait, there it is. >>: Oh my gosh. (Matthew) My heart is like racing. (Matthew laughs) >>: This is it. >>: Here we are. >>: All right, let's do it. (suspenseful music) All right. (knocking on door) (suspenseful music) (knocking on door) (suspenseful music) (knocking on door) (suspenseful music) What's up? (Chance) What's up? >>: How you doing? >>: What's going on? How are you? >>: Nice to meet you. >>: Nice to meet you too. >>: Wow. (Nev) This is Matthew, as you know. >>: What's up, Matt? >>: What's going on? >>: Yep. Ah. >>: So I know this is not easy for you and I appreciate you being here. But clearly, we are here for the main reason, which is that you guys have been talking for a while and in an effort to clear up any loose ends, your dad did pass away, right? >>: Yeah. >>: Okay, I'm really sorry. I can understand not wanting to deal with all this right now. >>: I'm doing all right. >>: That's good. (Nev) So we have some questions. (Chance) Yeah. >>: He had been in Atlanta a few times. >>: Yeah, I was in Atlanta for a few times visiting my girlfriend. >>: Siranda? You guys are-- >>: You guys are together? >>: Yes, we are. So-- (Nev) Which came as a bit of a surprise to Matthew 'cause you had never mentioned having a girlfriend. >>: I mean, you should have like, kind of figured it out. >>: Figured it out? >>: Is it crazy that Matthew was under the impression that there was attraction and a potential for something to happen between you guys? >>: Well through texts and stuff like, every day, we'll send like little stuff here and there. It's, you know, I do that with everybody. >>: In my mind, I'm like, "Oh, when he gets to Atlanta, maybe "there could be something more or we could get to know each other more, you know, who knows what can, you know, transpire once he gets to Atlanta." >>: Well, I mean, you should have like kinda got the hint when you would send me like, messages like I wouldn't really respond to it. >>: But you did neglect to say that you had a girlfriend. >>: True. >>: It just feels weird to me 'cause like if you live in New York and you're talking to someone who lives in Atlanta and you're talking pretty often and then you tell him you're gonna come down to Atlanta and you wanna see him, like to me, that sounds like you are giving very clear signals that you like that person. >>: You're saying like I wanna see him. I'd be like, "You know, we should meet up." >>: Well sure. >>: You know, don't say it like, don't say it like that. >>: Okay, well why don't we go inside and sit-- (Chance) Yeah, please. >>: And, yeah, let's do that. Okay, well yeah, Matt. Wait one second. Kimiko, you go in and settle in for a second. (Kimiko) Okay. >>: I just don't feel like he's being fair. >>: Mm-hmm. >>: And like, kinda making it almost feel like I gave you signals, like what is that-- that's bull(bleep). I just don't wanna see you let him like... >>: Run over. >>: Yeah, just sort of like disregard all this (bleep) that you felt, and that he said, and that like, happened because like, he doesn't wanna admit that he had feelings for you. >>: You weren't romantically involved with Matt at all? >>: No. >>: I mean, we saw some text messages and it seemed pretty flirty back and forth. >>: I wasn't... It wasn't like that at all. You know, I don't wanna date a dude. >>: So you don't date men at all? >>: Mm-mm. (Kimiko) Oh, okay. >>: No. >>: We were under the impression like, you were bisexual. >>: That's not true, he lied. That's not true. >>: Okay. >>: You know, now I'm mad about that because that's... (Kimiko) I didn't mean to make you mad. >>: That's not like-- (Kimiko) Yeah. >>: Wow. >>: I just don't feel like we're getting the whole story. >>: Yeah, there's something going on. Like it's just how do we get that-- I'm like how do I get that out of him? >>: Right. All right, let's see what he has to say. (suspenseful music) All right. Much better in here. >>: Mm-hmm. >>: So you telling these people that I'm bisexual, Matthew? >>: Well I know in the past, you've dated men and women. >>: I mean, if... Matthew, I'm just really upset about you giving these people-- having them think that I'm bisexual is kinda coming off confusing. >>: You would do like the heart eyes. >>: Right, the heart eyes well-- >>: Yeah, and all that and that was like kinda drawing me in even more. >>: Listen, I'm never gonna date you. >>: Why then were you talking to him at all? This is the first time it's been clear to you that he likes you? >>: Yes, this is the first time. >>: Really? >>: Yep. >>: Wow. It seems there's a couple issues here that amazingly, hadn't been brought up until now. One is that you're not bisexual but you were having a very flirtatious relationship. You're intentionally not mentioning a girlfriend when you could easily because you're trying to kind of maintain a possible romantic relationship. >>: No. I blocked you on Instagram, dude. And it's like-- >>: Well that was only recently. >>: Whatever, but. >>: You seem upset. And I'm not getting that because like, if the worst thing this guy has done has been really liked you and like hoped to be in a relationship with you, then like, can you be a little nicer to him and like not-- (Chance) I am being nice to him. >>: No, I feel like you're not being nice to him, which is weird because like, what's the big deal? So he has a crush on you? >>: He's a catfish himself, you are. >>: And how am I a catfish? >>: You know how you're a catfish. >>: How? >>: I mean... You're not a catfish at all? >>: No. >>: So what is this? What is it? (Kimiko) Oh my God. (bleep) >>: Oh, wow. Wow. (bleeping) (Chance) I never told you I dated men. That's nobody's (bleep) business. (suspenseful music) (Matthew) What the (bleep)? (intense music) >>: You seem okay, considering how aggressive that guy was. >>: That was crazy. >>: Are you okay? >>: Yeah, I'm okay. >>: I don't understand why he's so upset. The worst thing that's happened is that a sweet guy has told him that he has a crush on him. I can't figure out what his problem is. You wanna go out there? >>: Oh my god. Listen, I was not expecting that. I just wanna know what's making you so upset. >>: It's a number of things. I lost my father, I'm on anxiety medication because I'm having panic attacks. I'm stressed out. I just felt like he wasn't being honest. This bisexual stuff pissed me off. But I wanna apologize to Matthew. (intense music) >>: First of all what you did is wrong it (bleep) up. If the worst thing this guy has done has been really liked you and hope to be in a relationship with you, you're kind of being a dick. >>: I'm thinking the whole thing with him assuming that maybe I could be bisexual or had relations with a -- >>: Well, that's not the weirdest thing to think. I think you can understand that's not unreasonable. >>: No, I mean, it's not. >>: Okay. And physical altercations, that's (bleep) up. >>: Yeah. >>: I just want to apologize to you for being a douche bag. >>: I've never seen that side of you, that blowing up. It was just like what the (bleep)? >>: Right well, I'm sorry. >>: A lot to take in. >>: Hopefully, I didn't hurt your scalp. >>: No, I have a scalp protector on. >>: All right, but I am sorry. >>: I accept that. >>: How are we feeling? >>: I got the truth and the answers that I, I didn't want that exact answer, but at least I know where we stand as two individuals, and where to go forward from here. >>: Wait, we can all agree that this relationship for -- >>: Is not gonna, no. >>: It's done. >>: Clearly. >>: All right. >>: All right, later bro. >>: All right. That was interesting. >>: Are you okay with this being the end, not talking to him anymore? You can see that, that has to happen, you got to move on from this. >>: Yeah, I got what I needed and I'm ready. So I'm taking my time right now and see what the future might have in store for me, but there's no chance at all that I'll have a real chance with Chance. >>: Right. >>: Can I talk to you over there? >>: Why? For 5 minutes. >>: For what? >>: So I can talk you, I don't need everybody else in my business. I don't need that. >>: Hold on, hold on. >>: Why are they here? >>: Why don't you go inside and I'll try explaining to Antonnio what we're doing here. >>: You're Antonio. >>: Yeah. >>: I'm Kamie, nice to meet you. >>: This is what I was telling y'all, do you see what I'm saying. >>: He's probably just jealous and upset. >>: He's always (bleep) jealous, that's what I'm talking about. >>: It is our first business but-- we're here to help. >>: This is a perfect opportunity to just say -- >>: I told y'all, I told y'all. >>: I don't need that. Remember you don't need it anymore. >>: I told y'all. >>: It's not your responsibility. So why don't you go out there and let them know how you feel. >>: What do you have to say? >>: Why are you bringing Catfish out here? Am I not good enough for you. Why trying to meet somebody that you don't even know? >>: Look at the bull (bleep) you pulling right now. You hear something from Sanford and you coming at me. >>: It's been for 5 years. 5 years is a long-ass time for you to throw away on somebody you don't even know. >>: It's all been you, it's been about you. >>: But you don't even know this person. >>: It doesn't matter -- >>: It'd be different if you even knew this person but you don't even know this person. >>: So that's my point. >>: So you gonna leave me over somebody that you don't even know. >>: You damn right I would. >>: That's stupid as hell, that's crazy as (bleep). >>: And what you gonna do about it. >>: You look dumb as hell. >>: That's fine. >>: You look dumb as hell. >>: Okay. >>: You look dumb as hell. >>: Okay. >>: And the reason why you can't find a person is because I'm Adonis bitch. Yes, I am Adonis. >>: (bleep) (intense music) (Kamie) No, no, no, no, no. >>: (bleep) >>: (bleep) >>: Please, please let me get him. Please let me get him. Please let me get him. (Kamie) It's not worth it. >>: He better be lying y'all. (Kamie) It's not worth it. He better be lying, he better be lying. >>: Hold on, hold on, hold on one second. >>: He better be lying bro (sobs). I'm tired of him, I'm tired. >>: Take a sit. Take a sit with me, sit with me. Let's take a second, all right. >>: He better be lying. >>: We're not gonna get anywhere right now, everyone's upset. >>: Are you okay? >>: Yeah, I'm okay, that (bleep) is crazy. He's mad at me because he's been cheating on me. This is just too much, I can't talk, I've gotta go. I can't deal with this. >>: Please get home safely. >>: I am. >>: I just wanna know, is he lying. >>: Do you want me to go ask him that? >>: Please. >>: Can you just stay here for a minute? >>: Find out if he's lying. Please. >>: Just wait for me one second right here, okay. (intense music) (Kamie) He said he needs to leave. >>: >>: Did you talk to him at all? >>: Yeah, I did but he doesn't want to. >>: Hey, just really fast, is it true? You said at the very end, right before you got to certify that you are Adonis? >>: I am Adonis. >>: That's true. >>: That's true. >>: So you made the profile? >>: Yes. >>: It's been you talking to him the whole time. Why did you do that? >>: I needed facts. >>: In terms of him like cheating? >>: Cheating on me and talking to other people behind my back. I needed facts. >>: I'd like to talk about about this and try to help you guys. I don't know if right now is the time to do that. Are you willing to meet up with us tomorrow? >>: Tomorrow yes. >>: To try and talk about this. >>: I just need time to just process everything. >>: Fine. So you should go and we'll talk hopefully tomorrow and meet up again. >>: Okay. >>: All right. >>: All right. (intense music) >>: Nev, was he lying? >>: I don't think so. I just asked him, he said that is he made the profile. He said he wanted to see if you were, if would cheat on him or talk to someone. Obviously it doesn't explain why he would go on this long and be so supportive, and helpful, and encouraging. (Kamie) Right. (solemn music) >>: If you wanted to just see if you would send a dick pic or flirt with someone he could have done that in a week. >>: Exactly, so why did he just drag this the (bleep) on? (solemn music) >>: He said that he's willing to meet up tomorrow once he's sort of settled. You guys obviously have a lot that you need to work out. >>: When you've been with someone for that long, I think that you owe it to each other to tell each other the truth. (solemn music) >>: I just really wanna hear why he did this to me. I wanna know why. (solemn music) >>: In the meantime, I'm sure you have some thinking to do. It's not the answer we were looking for but. >>: We're gonna figure it out tomorrow. (solemn music) >>: I'm not looking to fight today. That was a tussle. >>: So the big question now is the fallout because getting into a fight like that was a major turning point. We've been getting Alfred's side of the story. I'm not saying who's right or wrong but I definitely think Antonnio probably has a side. >>: While I love Alfred, he also has messed up too. >>: Let's check in with Antonnio. (phone rings) (Antonio) Hello. >>: Hey, Antonio. >>: Hey, how you doing? It's Nev and Kamie >>: Hey. >>: I wanted to check in with you and sort of see how you were feeling about how everything kind of went down? >>: We'd love to come and talk to you and get your side of the story, if that's something you'd be willing to do. >>: All right, great. >>: Okay. >>: All right. >>: Let see what everyone has to say for themselves. >>: Nice to meet you, Jasmine. >>: I didn't get to meet you yesterday. >>: Yeah, I'm Antonnio's best -- >>: Kamie. Nice to meet you. >>: Is Antonio here? >>: Yes. >>: How's he doing? >>: He's a little sad, but he's okay. >>: What, if anything, have you kind of known throughout this whole process? >>: I really, didn't really know too much. >>: I take it you were the one that told Antonnio we were in town yesterday. >>: Yes. Everybody on Facebook is talking about Catfish is in town. I usually don't even get into their business but when I'm seriously like this, they're actually separate and it's a big deal. >>: Can we go in? >>: Yeah, you can come in. >>: Talk to Antonnio. >>: Hey you guys. >>: Nice to see you again. >>: Good to see you. >>: Good to see you. Especially under different circumstances. >>: Yes. >>: Yeah. So this is a little different for us because normally, we help someone find the person they're talking to. It's usually someone that they don't know. So now it's obviously less about the specifics of the profile, more just kind of about what happened between you guys? >>: Right. (Nev) Trying to get your side of the story. >>: We've been together for 5 years, we were always going out on dates, we were talking more, we were just doing everything that couples should do. I guess that the longer that we had been together, the less things that we have been able to do. Not because we can't do it, it's just we just don't do anything. >>: You just got comfortable. >>: Yeah. >>: It happens in every relationship. >>: Yeah, we got comfortable, well I got comfortable. But like two years ago, after he had cheated on me, after he was telling me how he wasn't going to cheat on me anymore. He was done with that. He was not gonna talk to anybody anymore but I didn't really trust him or believe him, that's basically why I started this Adonis Facebook page. Yes, I was cat fishing him but he was the one that was stepping out on our relationship. I just wanted to know like you really are gonna meet someone else and leave me? >>: Why do it for so long? >>: If last night hadn't have happened, how were you planning on telling him about Adonis? Last night, I didn't want to do that, it's just how it came out. I most definitely do take accountability for a lot of the things that I'm not putting into a relationship. But I feel like somethings are petty to fight about like, the sex life and stuff like that. When he talks about that, even if it's like oral sex he just said that's not good enough. He wants it like a whole lot of times a day and it's like we're not like porn stars, that's not what we are. So that kinda put a wedge in a relationship and we haven't been communicating. So talking to Alfred felt like, as being Adonis I got reconnected with him. That's why I kept going, it just felt good to be able to talk to him and just to know how he's feeling. I was more comfortable with him that way. >>: You seem to have so much love and patience for Alfred, and he says he feels like he's not getting the sort of affection and attention from you that he needs. >>: Do you still wanna be with him? >>: I really, really do. I really, really do because I love him so much. >>: Jasmine is not. >>: I do though. >>: You can't keep putting yourself through the same thing. >>: It's just hard when you love somebody. I've been with him like 5 years, that's hard. (Kamie) It's a long time. >>: In a couple months, he's probably gonna be doing the same thing. >>: Yeah. >>: In all honesty he is. >>: It's so much built up anger and resentment towards each other. >>: Yeah, it is. >>: I know you want it to work but do you really feel in your deepest heart that that is what is healthy for either one of you? >>: I think you guys should talk. >>: Clearly have a lot to talk about. (Antonnio) Yes. >>: Do you want to call Alfred and basically just say that we can meet up with him now? (phone rings) >>: Hello. Hey, is it okay if we meet up and talk? (Antonnio) Okay, I'll be over there. (Nev) All right, round 2. >>: In the first place. >>: So actually, the dude that I used I follow him on Instagram, and I've been following him for years and years and years. >>: And the dick pics? >>: I found those on Google. (laughs) >>: Alright, like we have a little welcome committee here. >>: Hey. >>: Hey, how y'all doing? >>: Good to see you. We brought a friend. >>: what was you thinking? >>: I don't know. I just feel like when I heard that Catfish was here, I need to know like what was going on. If he was really going to leave me over somebody that he doesn't know. >>: That's pretty (bleep) up. >>: You wanna stand up for your brother. >>: Exactly. >>: Obviously there's another side to the story. So I think at this point, the best thing is for them to talk. Let them hash it out. >>: Okay. >>: I'll see y'all later. >>: How you doing? >>: Hi. >>: Glad we could do this. We had an opportunity to talk with Antonnio. I feel like as much as we can be, we're up to speed but I do think Antonnio has things he wants to say to you. I'm sure you have things we'd like to just discuss. Obviously, you guys got into a fight last night, even at your lowest points, even when you're as mad as you can get, you should never put hands on each other because it only makes things worse. >>: First, I wanna apologize for how things got last night. Next I wanna know, why not just talk to me, instead of talking to me from some fake person? >>: I just feel like it was easier for me because whenever I try talk to you as myself, sometimes I feel like we can't have a regular long conversation. So being an Adonis it felt different because you would talk to him and I open up your heart to him. (sobs) And that's what I was missing out on. That's why I kept carrying it on for so long because I was missing those feelings that we had we first got together. I am sorry for making that fake page and stringing you along the whole time but I just need to know for myself if you was gonna keep on talking to other people behind my back. Or if we were even gonna be able to keep being together. >>: I can understand that but I never got a conversation from you until today saying this stuff. I didn't wanna talk to these random people, I'm only human. There's things that I need, whether it's emotional, whether it's physical. When I'm missing out on something, I try to go find it. >>: It's not okay to take entertain them, its no okay just to play along with them because you do have somebody at home. Somebody who helps you watch a kid and take care of them. I think if we break up I'll never get to se them again. (sobs) That honestly just hurts, I really love them and I don't wanna be separated from them. >>: I understand because they ask about you everyday (sobs). I can't look at them in their face and tell them what's going on so I have to lie to them every day. >>: It's all mutual, you're feeling the same things. What you want from each other are the same things. It's just whether or not you're gonna get it from one another. >>: The reason why I can't let go like other relationships is because we've been here for 5 years, we live together, we have a family together. I do love you, I was wanting to move forward and grow from this. Put all this in the past. >>: But you see, there again is one of the things that's one of our problems. You like to go through stuff and then you just say, "Okay, well let's put that behind us." After you've done something like this is it's not gonna be just easy as let's put this behind. (solemn music) >>: I think every relationship requires a certain amount of compromise but there's also some things that sometimes your partner just can't give you. >>: You both seem like great guys with a lot to give, a lot of love, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're great guys together. (intense music) >>: This is crazy man. >>: You guys wait here in the shade. I'll knock on the door. (intense music) >>: How you feeling? >>: I'm feeling like this is like so weird bro. This is killing me right now, for real. (intense music) >>: Hello. >>: Hi. >>: I'm gonna stick my head in for a second. >>: What's he doing? (Nev) I'm sure you must be pretty nervous. (crying) >>: This is so weird bro. (Nev) Just be yourself, be honest. Say whatever it is that you feel comfortable saying. Okay. (intense music) >>: Oh my god, bro. >>: Say something. I'll start the conversation. (intense music) This is Jose, as I understand Jose has been Rosa. >>: This is just crazy man. What are you doing, man? >>: I didn't mean for this to happen like this. >>: Aren't you ashamed yourself bro? >>: I am ashamed of myself. >>: Yeah. >>: I am and I'm not gonna lie. >>: What is this man? Why would you do something like that? >>: I never meant, I'm never meant to hurt nobody else. I was trying to hurt the person in the picture. >>: The girl in the picture. Why, do you know her? >>: (cries) Natalie. >>: So you know Natalie? >>: I went to school with her. >>: In Florida? >>: In Florida? >>: I was trying to get her to feel the pain that I felt. I used to be bullied in school by her and obviously a group of other people. >>: So you created the account to take revenge on her. >>: Basically yeah. >>: You made that account in high school. >>: I was in high school, I was in 9th grade. >>: And how old are you now? >>: I'm 26 now. (Nev) That was a long time ago. >>: That was a long time ago. >>: Whatever you have against this girl, bro, what does that have to do with me? You don't play with people like that, you don't do that to people. I'm over here making plans, I'm all into this girl. What were you actually planning on getting out of this? Eventually we're gonna find out the truth. This is just crazy, man. It's embarrassing, actually. >>: It is embarrassing. you know, like I'm sorry, like I am. >>: You need some help. You need to go to church, you need to get involved. You need to speak to someone. You can't just lock yourself in and make believe you're a woman. If you like men holler at a dude that likes men. Simple as that man. >>: I'm sorry. I admit it. >>: I have nothing to say to you man. This is an embarrassment for real, I'm done here. (solemn music) >>: For him, it might not seem like I care but I really do. I really do and I feel bad about myself every single day that I wake up (sobs). (solemn music) >>: This is freaking crazy bro. This is so embarrassing, it's not even funny. >>: I didn't mean to hurt him but I was going through so much at home and the only reason that I continue talking to Danny, I wanted to stop at first. But he was the type of person that he sat there and he listened. He listened and actually gave me a advice and never tried to judge me. Obviously, he was a good person, very religious. Those words of inspiration that he used to tell me really helped too. Everything that I said that Rosa was going through, I really went through it, like me, as Jose. I told Danny that Rosa was sexually abused. It happened to me. I was in pain. To this day, I'm still in pain. I'm just trying to find an escape. I tried to find an escape through drugs. I used to do drugs heavy. The only way that I stopped doing drugs, I got locked up. That was the only thing that was helping me. I felt like being somebody else, being somebody that you're not, being somebody that you can actually talk to somebody and they can't judge you on your past because they don't know nothing about your past. >>: This is a distinctive moment for you. Right now, when you look back at your life a lot of it's the stuff that wasn't great. It's getting bullied in high school, it's getting addicted to drugs, it's going to jail. It's not the best past. While it's not gonna go away, starting now you can do it a little differently. Tomorrow, if you're up for it, hopefully help you start that process of healing and turn that page and leave Volume 1 of the life of Jose somewhere else and start Volume 2. >>: Okay, thank you. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: Nice to meet you guys. Tank you guys for real. (Nev) We'll check in with you later. That was probably more than you bargained for. >>: I just feel like one of disappear from the world for a couple of days. >>: I know it's not fair because this is just as much your experience as it is his but I think it's pretty obvious that this guy's had it pretty rough. >>: You have every right to be mad and to not wanna do anything more for this guy but if you really want him to be a hero, and go beyond the one thing you could give him is to let him know this is not something you're gonna hold against him for the rest of your life and that might lighten his burden a little more. >>: (sigh) >>: Hello Jose, it's Nev and Max and we're in the car with Danny. We thought it might be good for us to get back together like we discussed and talk a little bit more. >>: We'll probably be there in 10, 15 minutes. >>: Alright, see you soon. (solemn music) All right, so this is it. >>: This is it. (intense music) >>: Hello. >>: You can come in. >>: How do you feel after we left yesterday? >>: It was kind of confusing. >>: Danny had a lot of emotions that he brought, you had a lot that you brought. You guys didn't really get a chance to communicate in any kind of meaningful way. So that was partly what we were hoping we could do today. >>: So you were Rose's voice? >>: I felt like that was pretty convincing. >>: I couldn't tell. >>: Is that voice something that you've always been good at doing? >>: I used to act in high school but that voice I never tried it before. >>: Can we hear the voice right now? >>: I mean, I don't know what's going on. A lot of things been changing in my life. >>: Wow! That's good. (Nev) Yeah, pretty good. >>: I'm embarrassed about the whole situation. I can't even sleep at night, thinking about all this stuff, all the consequences. It was bringing me down every day. Every time that I thought about it, every time that I was like, "Okay, I wanna say something," but at the same time, I'm scared. I didn't know how to stop. >>: You did Danny wrong. >>: I did. >>: But here he is. He could have not come back here today. He could have just chose n to be angry and just say, "That's it, I don't wanna ever see this person again," but here he is. >>: I'm gonna give you some advice, man. First of all, erase those pages. You need to let go of those demons that are kind of like from your past. Stop worrying about Natalie, people that bullied you. You need to focus on you. Go to church. Once you start having a relationship with God, that's when God starts blessing you. Would it be okay if I pray for you? >>: Yeah >>: Okay, we're gonna do a quick prayer. In Spanish, that's I'm feel more comfortable. >>: So, close your eyes men. You all right? (speaking in foreign language) Amen. >>: Amen. >>: Okay. (guitar music) You're gonna be all right man. >>: Thank you. >>: Okay. >>: Yeah, I'm gonna be all right. (guitar music) >>: That was really nice. (guitar music) >>: We're gonna leave now and the cameras are gonna go away and then it'll be very easy to go back to exactly how things were before. So, it'll be on you to kind of-- >>: I am going y'all, I'm gonna do everything especially all the advice that you gave me. >>: Good. Use this experience to kind of-- >>: Move on. >>: Yeah. >>: You know, I'm ready. (Guy In A Navy Blue T-Shirt) All right. (Tallulah) What the (bleep) is going on? >>: All I know is something doesn't smell right. The whole phone number Jerrika thing obviously a lie. >>: Like, it's just not true. >>: And so, let's just assume for a moment that we are getting played. Taylor, set this up to get on the show to boost her Instagram following or whatever. >>: Yeah and I would be curious to know the other players involved. I think we got to tread lightly, I think that we can't really totally let on what we know and maybe have all the parties present to be like, what the (bleep). (Nev) It'll be catfish's first full on sting operation. >>: Yeah. >>: And then at the end they'll fall on their own sword it'll be obvious that this whole thing was just some dumb set up. >>: Let's give her a call. (phone dialing) >>: Hey Taylor, what's up? >>: We're downstairs into Tallulah's room, so, you should come down and we should get things going. >>: All right, so, see you in a second. >>: Bye. >>: (mumbles) This is so funny. >>: I just wanna be look at the camera all-day and roll my eyes. >>: It's almost like-- >>: I know that you're gonna use it. I just wanna know that like-- >>: You know, like Jim from the office where you're like (rolls her eyes). >>: Right, right, I feel like each of us should get an eyeball, eye roll camera, yeah (rolls eyes and sighs). Yeah. (knocking on the door) Oh, there she is, speak of the devil. (door clinking open) (Tallulah) Hi. >>: Hi, good morning, you look cute. (Tallulah) Come on in. (Nev) What up? >>: Nervous, I have butterflies, a lot of butterflies. (piano music) >>: Have you talked to anybody? >>: No. >>: Does Jerrika know you're in town? >>: No. >>: Really? >>: Mm-mm. >>: All right, let's text Christian. Hey, Austin slash Christian (chuckles) it's Nev. We know you are in Atlanta and we're here ready to meet. (notification beep) Sent. What do you think is going on? >>: I think Austin is who I've been talking to. >>: Okay, so, Christian's just really named Austin? >>: Mm-hm. >>: Sure, it could be that (laughs). (Taylor) Yeah. >>: (laughs) Yeah. Well, I don't know what else we can do other than reach out to Jade and let's just call her. (phone dialing) >>: Hello Jade, it's Nev. >>: I'm here in Atlanta with Tallulah and Taylor and we are waiting to hear back from Christian slash Austin. >>: Oh, Great. And where is that? >>: That would be great, perfect. >>: Thanks Jade, See you soon. >>: Okay Taylor, you must be so excited to get some answers, are you ready? Oh perfect, look at this, we got an address. What? That's like around the corner, look at that. >>: Really? (Nev) It's a 9 minute walk. >>: We should walk. >>: Should we stroll over? >>: Let's do it. >>: Okay. (Both Tallulah And Nev) All right. >>: We'll see you there in the car, we're gonna walk. It's just so close. We've never done this before but we're walking (chuckles) to meet the catfish. This is a catfish first. All right, we're getting close. Take a right here. All right, we're one turn away. (dramatic drumming) This is it. So, this must be the not creepy driveway to the back house. (Tallulah) The full foliage. >>: You're pretty quiet Taylor. I guess I'll go up there and knock, you guys want to hang here for a second? (Taylor) Okay. (dramatic drum music) (Nev) Jade should be home, right? (dramatic drum music) (Nev knocking the door) (dramatic drum music) Hi. >>: Hi. (Nev) How are you doing? (Jade) I'm good. How are you? >>: I'm Nev. >>: Nice to meet you, I'm Jade. >>: You're jade? >>: Mm-hm. (Nev) Okay, great. >>: Hey. >>: Hey Nev. Austin >>: Austin? All right, what's up? >>: Yeah. Why don't you guys come down-- (Jade) We'll need step out so we can talk, all right. (suspense music) >>: Okay. Do you know each other at all? >>: I've never seen her before. >>: Okay, well, this is Taylor, this is Tallulah who's helping out. >>: Tallulah. >>: Jade and Austin. >>: Austin. >>: So, what the heck's going on guys? (Austin) Yeah. >>: Okay, so, initially it all kind of started off as a joke. >>: So, were you texting me? >>: Sometimes. >>: Yeah. We all started out-- >>: Who's we all? >>: Myself, Jade and Hailey. >>: Yeah, my best friend as well. (Nev) Hailey? >>: Yeah, she actually played a part in it, Hailey Quinter McKinley. >>: Do you know someone named Hailey from high school? >>: Like barely, I mean, I know who she is but I talked to her like once or twice. Hailey is the one who told you guys everything? >>: Yeah. >>: Why didn't you guys just tell me it was a joke in the beginning because now it's on TV and I look really stupid. >>: Well, I didn't want you to seeing that and that's what I didn't want. I didn't want you to... >>: (sobs and sniffles) Can we go? >>: No. I'm not buying it. What about Jerrika? >>: Who's Jerikka? (suspense music) (Nev) Come back over here Taylor, what's going on here? (dramatic drum music) (car engine roaring) Someone's here (mumbles). >>: Hello >>: Hi, is it Jerrika? >>: Oh, that's Hailey. >>: Hi Nev. >>: Oh, hi. Hi. >>: Hey Taylor. I'm sorry bro, it Wasn't supposed to get this far. >>: So, why didn't you guys stop it when I text you and said I'm gonna write Catfish. Why didn't you just tell me then? >>: Honestly, once it got this deep I felt like this would have been the best way to do it and I felt like you deserved to know the truth. There is people who kill themselves for stuff like this and I'm just really upset (sobs). >>: I'm sorry bro. Honestly, I just really can't say anything more than that. (Taylor) I feel horrible. (Hailey) And I feel bad. >>: Blah, blah, blah, all right, let's just be honest. Can someone just be (bleep) honest? This is stupid, I just want someone to (bleep) tell me the truth. This is all bull (bleep). >>: There is no bull (bleep). This is, what you see is what you get. There's nothing more to it. >>: And there was no malice intended. >>: It just got out of hand. >>: We know for sure that's not what's going on here. >>: What do you think is going on? >>: I think you guys and Taylor are all for (bleep). (dramatic drum music) We know that's not the whole story. We know Taylor's best friend has the same phone number as the Catfish. It doesn't add up, none of it. You guys aren't fooling anybody, it's all BS. Do you have any additional things to say? >>: Not at all. >>: Yeah, why don't we just take a quick breather. >>: Okay. >>: All right. (Nev) Right. All right, why don't we go inside and try and figure this out. (dramatic drum music) >>: (sighs) All right. >>: So, here's how I'm feeling. I feel like maybe you guys were in on it with Jerrika a little bit. You know, for me to have her number and stuff and then maybe you guys are protecting her 'cause she's one of my really close friends. >>: (exhales) Is somebody gonna say something? >>: I don't know Jerrika. >>: I don't know Jerrika. >>: I don't know Jerrika. We're in too deep at this point and things are getting just out of hand and I feel like a lot of it is coming on us and I feel like everybody needs to take accountability for their actions and their part in the situation. >>: I hear what you're saying that you guys are taking the fall for someone else. >>: I mean, there's only so much that we can explain 'cause I've never called Jerrika, I've never talked to Jerrika and I've texted Jerrika. She hasn't, she hasn't. Only one person in this room can explain. >>: How did you get involved? >>: Taylor? >>: Like when you guys added me on Facebook and we were just playing around. >>: (exhales) I'm trying to give you the opportunity to speak your truth and then I'll speak mine. >>: And I'm speaking my truth. (Hailey) I wouldn't feel the need to-- >>: All right, so, I'll just say it, I'm just gonna say it. So, Taylor set this up to come on TV and then at some point asked you guys to come on the show. Okay. >>: Yeah. We kind of got in at the end. >>: You basically, you three were gonna be the ones that were the Catfish-- >>: Her. (Tallulah) She was-- >>: Wait, hold on, Taylor you just said that like all of a sudden you're agreeing with the story. You just gotta like casually admit that they're right and that you've been (bleep) full of (bleep) this whole time. Are you ready to do that? >>: Well, she-- So, Jerrika had decided to make it up and I wrote it. (Tallulah laughing) >>: Okay. >>: And Jerrika said she didn't wanna look stupid. >>: Okay. >>: So, I was like, let me see if someone from Atlanta can do it. So, I wrote her but the fact that they're involved-- >>: But why, why do all that? To be on the show, to boost your Instagram? >>: What's the origin point of why we are all sitting on (chuckles) these couches right now? Like, I wanna be on TV, like what, we talked to you, you sat with us, and I care about this, why we spent time and energy, when we do this, like 110% into everything and that's (bleep) up? >>: So, if they would have said no then I wouldn't even have wrote into the show. It's not like I was going to keep finding people. >>: Now, that's my fault. >>: Yeah right, now, that's ridiculous. You don't think anything is your fault that we're all just at your feet to do whatever you want. >>: No, I never said nothing is my fault. >>: But that's just like, you look so gross right now. I don't even think Jerrika was involved, I'm sorry. I just think the fact that you went through with this and that you so casually or just saying like, "Okay, yeah, that's it," and haven't once even seemed to express any sense of remorse. You're like, "Life is gonna be perfect for me anyway, so, oops, sorry." That's how I feel about you right now. >>: Okay. >>: So, I'm finished. You guys, that's it, I got the answers I needed, I think the story is over, I'm sorry you guys got roped into this. That was unfortunate. It's a bad decision, but okay, good luck, sorry we had to ruin your big TV debut and please don't ever waste my time again. (Tallulah) Damn. (door creaking open) (Hailey) Nev, we're sorry. (Jade) I'm apologizing to you, you know, honestly-- >>: I know this is your job, you take it serious like I said, it was a train already moving and we kind of just hopped on it. >>: Right, yeah, you screwed up but glad we cleared it up. >>: We're sorry for wasting your time. >>: Thanks guys. (Hailey) Thank you. (Austin) All right y'all. (All) Bye Nev. (Tallulah) Bye. (piano music) (Nev) Do you want to say something? (Taylor) Yeah. (Nev) All right. >>: Well, I know you think I'm disgusting and everything. Like, I'm not a stuck up rude person, that's not who I am, I don't think like, Oh, who cares? It was all just a stupid idea and that's why I wanted to say I'm sorry. >>: Okay, thank you for at least coming clean. Thank you for apologizing, see ya. >>: Okay, all right. (piano music) (dramatic music) (Nev) Here's a car pulling in. (Kamie) Sweet, so we're gonna... Oh, my God. >>: This is some bull (bleep). (Kamie) Oh my! Hello. >>: Hi. >>: Hi Ashley. >>: Hi. >>: How are ya? >>: I'm good. >>: Nice to meet you. Nev. >>: Kamie, it is Ashley? >>: Yeah >>: Right. How'd it go getting in? >>: I'm good. >>: Had you been to LA before? >>: No. (Kamie) You've never been to LA? >>: I've said no. >>: I thought you were just here doing hair for work. >>: Okay, I'ma talk to you, okay. >>: Oh, (bleep) me then. >>: (laughs) That's fine. I was just trying to make some small talk 'cause I'm assuming you're nervous. Anyway, we figured out that a lot of the profiles that Red has been talking to for the past 6 years are fake. We're assuming you're behind most or all of them. >>: Mm-hm. (Nev) No one else is involved? >>: No. >>: Okay. So, Shekinah, Tamar-- >>: Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. (Nev) Right, I just wanna make sure I know all of them. How many names? Are there some that we don't even know about? >>: Oh yeah. >>: And are you doing this to anybody else? >>: Of course. >>: Oh my God. (drum music) I just want to know why, like why? What was the purpose? >>: It just started? (Red) Why? >>: You hopped into my inbox first. >>: Who Jelissa's 'cause I don't even know you. (Nev) Well, wait, when you say-- >>: And I didn't hop in nobody's inbox. >>: You did though. >>: As Jelissa was it Jelissa? >>: Oh no, cause you hopped into Shekinah inbox first. >>: Oh, see, you're not Shekinah. >>: You skip it and skip, skip, hop. >>: But why? >>: You did the bunny rabbit and you hopped, you hop your ass in there, okay? >>: Really? >>: Really? >>: Don't flip this on me 'cause you did this. >>: What is the attitude? >>: I'm not talking to you 'cause he's the host, >>: Wow. >>: You are the one who is impersonating other people on the internet. >>: It's his show not yours. >>: But I'm talking to you-- >>: Hey, hey, hey, it's our show you know. >>: And therefore you are here on our show >>: (sighs) This bitch. with our cameras. >>: If you call me a bitch one more time we're gonna have a serious problem. So, let's be respectful. (Nev) Yeah. >>: Jesus. >>: Look, if you keep speaking to her that way then you won't get the chance to speak to any of us. >>: Okay. (Kamie) Do you have kids? >>: No. >>: Are you married? >>: No. >>: We just happened to notice on your Facebook page that we found that it says you are married. >>: I was married. >>: We're just trying to find out more about you. >>: We're just trying to figure out the truth. >>: Okay Nev. (Nev) Just tell us who you are so we know what is real and what isn't? (Ashley) I'm just me. (Nev) How old are you? >>: 24, I'm 24. >>: 24, Okay. And do you live in Texas? >>: Yes, I do. >>: So, if you're 24 now, I mean, then you started these when you were like, when did you first start? >>: At 12-years-old. >>: What! >>: Well, okay, so, your first fake profile when you were 12? >>: Yeah. >>: Whoa, okay. How did you come across Jelissa 'cause she's a real person? >>: On Instagram. >>: Okay, she's not really famous. >>: No we're just friends on Instagram. >>: Got it. >>: You know her personally? >>: Oh, I do, yeah. >>: You have met her in person? >>: Oh my god, no, we follow each other. >>: Yes. >>: We know some of the same people. >>: Uh-huh. >>: That's it. >>: If you break it down a little slower I might be able to understand you even better. >>: Okay. >>: You seem upset. >>: Yeah, I'm a black person. This is my personality, this is how I am. >>: This is not being black. >>: If this is between being black and being respectful, well, you're being very disrespectful. (Ashley) I'm being respectful. >>: No, you're not. >>: No, you're not. >>: How I'm I not? >>: You're really not. >>: You're being very disrespectful, you came up here disrespectful. >>: How? >>: Look how you talking to her. >>: Why is she gotta be a bird? >>: Well, bark, bark bitch. Why is she gotta be a bird 'cause she's calling you on your (bleep). >>: Okay, do you have any more questions Nev, I'm not talking to these two right now? >>: There's a side of your personality that is different than this because you've talked to Jelissa In a different way. >>: I mean, yeah, I can be sweet Nev, I can be sweet. >>: Did you know that she was dating someone? (Ashley) I mean, yeah, I knew. >>: Didn't you ever think I should probably leave her off? >>: I mean, yeah, I did, I got married and then I got bored. >>: We got the impression from Red and maybe you have a different take on it that there was a lot of talk, romantic conversation about being together and getting married >>: You may not have meant it but like-- >>: Hell no. >>: I hope you didn't. >>: I'm not gay. >>: Oh, I'm gay as (bleep), like I'm gay, gay. >>: Okay, enjoy that anyway. >>: Red, you look like you got a lot on your mind, you wanna go talk in the car? >>: Sure, come on. (Kamie) We'll leave you two to it. (Red) She's hella rude. (Kamie) She is gonna look like the asshole because she is an (bleep) asshole. >>: I know. I wanna knock the (bleep) out of her. Like she's hella disrespectful. (Kamie) Let's get an AC, we don't have to burn because of this bitch. >>: Do you feel better now than you did? >>: I mean, yeah, I guess. I mean, of course, she gonna be mad or whatever but I don't know what else to say. (Kamie) Are you buying what she's selling? Are you buying this whole, "I was just bored." (Red) No. >>: Now, everybody has to come out on their own time. I'm sure you have your own journey with that but it's a front. I know people like that. >>: She's never been that way with me. >>: People like that because they're so insecure and unhappy will have that boisterous, just rude defense mechanism because it's a front. But I don't even know if she's open enough to explain her true self to tell us. >>: What do you want to do now? >>: I mean, whenever she cools down I'll be open to talk to her but I'm not gonna talk to her right now. Okay, that's fine. >>: Let me regroup with them. I'll let them know that you're willing to sit down and talk a little bit more and then as soon as everybody has calm down maybe we can meet somewhere nearby. (Ashley) Okay. >>: You came in a little hot especially on Kamie. We got off to a bit more-- >>: Yeah, we did. >>: Rough start than we needed to. >>: We did. (Nev) Take some time to really think, is this how you want things to end between you and Red. (Ashley) Thank you so much. (Nev) Okay, I'll talk to you in a little bit. (Ashley) Okay. ♪ See you're just trying to get ♪ ♪ Under my, under my skin, I guess ♪ ♪ Think I'm strong enough ♪ (Red) Oh, did she live? >>: Yeah, probably best if we all just take a breather. I see her, and I see the way she's acting, and hear the thing she's saying, and I just wanna give her an opportunity to try and think a little bit more deeply about what she's done and how she feels because if we don't try to help her, she'll just keep making people unhappy around her forever. ♪ Do you see me looking back right at you ♪ (Kamie) So, Ashley says she wants to talk. >>: Yeah, she said she likes the idea of sitting down to talk. (Red) She wanna get this off her chest, huh? (Nev) That we'll see. >>: So, how are you gonna help this girl? >>: I think we need to help her deal with her feelings because I'm pretty confident you'll be okay. >>: Absolutely. >>: Her, I'm not sure. Okay, we're here. Hello. (Nev groaning) (drum music) Hi, again. >>: Hi, hi, hi. >>: Hello. >>: If You're open to it I'd love to try and get into what's been going on. >>: Yeah, I'm better now. I'm open to anything >>: okay. >>: I was just nervous about the situation and I shouldn't have taken it out on you guys and I'm sorry. I'm sorry I called you a bitch. >>: Me too. >>: I'm sorry, you are a good friend to me. You helped me out a lot in situations that you don't even know. I have a lot (bleep) going on, with my mom. >>: What's going on with her? >>: My mom is going to a nursing home. She was sick all my life. She has seizures and the last seizure that she had, and she's never been the same. Then a couple of years later my grandma got cancer. >>: That's very hard. >>: It's extremely hard. >>: So, you take care of your mom. >>: I try to. I have a lot of health issues. I suffer from depression. Most days I don't get out of my bed, like (bleep) hard. I go through a lot of (bleep), I'm a lone wolf. I've always been alone. And everybody that ever care for me, she's gone. >>: But were are you just looking for a friend? >>: Yeah, I don't have any friends. I got nobody. >>: Look, I understand having someone like Red is helpful. >>: Yeah. >>: But do you think having all these profiles is helping or hurting? >>: Of course, hurting. >>: Seems to me you're at a crucial moment. Time to start getting rid of the things that aren't helping you. You did it today. I mean, you came here knowing full well that you might cut this person >>: Yeah, I did. one elite close friends out of your life. >>: And that's the hardest part though. >>: So, wait, you started the profiles when you were 12, how many profiles do you think you've had since you were 12? >>: 3,000. >>: Oh my god. >>: 3,000 profiles? >>: Yeah, picked each one I mean. (Nev) 3,000? >>: Wow. >>: 3,000. (Nev) Wow. >>: At least you admit it. >>: I think you need to cut the bull (bleep) with yourself. Hold on, you have to start taking responsibility for yourself. It's just a choice you make. Every time you start to slip and you think someone made me feel bad or I can't do that-- (indistinct chattering) >>: The reason why I have so many profiles is because each time I was sad I started making a new profile, and then if I'm not making a new profile I'm eating the chocolate cake. I'm addicted. >>: Get it together because people will like you and you will have friends and you can be happy. >>: I know. But only when you stop all these profiles. >>: We could have been friends, just you. You need to come out the closet. >>: Yeah. >>: It's a lot nicer. >>: For you I will. >>: No, don't do it for me boo. >>: So, you do like her? >>: I mean, yeah, I like her. >>: In a romantic way? >>: Yes! >>: Have you dated women? >>: No. >>: Have you talked to women online and any-- >>: Yes I have. >>: Does anyone know that you're gay or isn't that how you tell-- >>: She's not gay. >>: I'm not gay. >>: Okay. >>: Bi? >>: I guess I'm bi. >>: Does that feel good to just at least admit that? >>: Yep, my coming out part of it. >>: Good. >>: Wow. >>: What's gonna happen with you guys now, would you like to stay friends? >>: I would love to be her friend. >>: What are your thoughts? >>: No. (Nev) That's fair. >>: At the end of the day you have to keep in mind that you hurt her. >>: Yeah, I know I hurt my boo. >>: You know that what you've been doing is wrong. So, get to work and in no time at all things could turn around. >>: I'm gonna try Nev. >>: Is there anything else right now? >>: Nope. (car door slamming shut) (drum music) >>: You might wanna wait here. (Oceanna) You got it. (suspense music) (Slick) How are you feeling? >>: I don't even know how to feel right now (chuckles). (Nev knocking on the door) (suspense music) (Nev) Hello, hello. (dramatic drum music) (Nev knocking on the door) (drumming) >>: Hello. (Nev) Oh, okay. (Nev) Oh, okay. (suspense music) >>: She asked us to meet her in the back. (Oceanna) Yeah. >>: She wants to keep it private. (Slick) Okay. I guess we'll go this way. (drum music) (door creaking open) (drum music) >>: It's a little too private. (drum music) (Nev) Uh-huh, here we go. (drum music) Hey, how you doing? (Raven) Nice to meet you. (Nev) Nice to meet you, Raven right? >>: Yes. >>: Hi, Raven. >>: You know-- Oceanna and Slick. >>: Hi, Oceanna. What's up, nice to meet you? >>: Hi, nice to meet you. (suspense music) (Nev) So, what's going on? >>: I found Oceanna's Instagram, I liked her, I liked what I saw but I just felt like I couldn't approach her 'cause I didn't think that she would talk to me. So, I created a fake page, Nelly, to talk to Oceanna and then at some point I wanted to kind of like DM her what was going on but it was like hard. I'm like, how do I tell her that I'm not the person that she thinks she loves? So, I just never ended it. >>: (sighs) I don't even know what to say because we got on video chat, like that's crazy and being on the phone y'all didn't sound alike. You know, anything that you said to me whether you was Nelly or Raven I was there for you, period. Like for what, you told me that (bleep) for what? >>: My life was (bleep) up at the time. When I first met you, I was going through a lot. Me and my wife had just separated because she cheated on me in our house with one of my friends. Me and my wife we live in the same house so we can co-parent but we split up. >>: But you told her your baby died. >>: I got a baby for real, I got a 9-month-old baby. >>: Why would you lie about some (bleep) like that? >>: Why tell her that your kid died? >>: Just to like strain the lies along. >>: I felt bad bro, I feel bad for you. You just threw lies out there, you don't understand how the (bleep) I felt when I was sitting in there and I was hurt. You should've just (bleep) told me. All those lies did not have to be done (sniffles). So, who's Kayla? >>: That is my best friend, my actual best friend. >>: I just don't believe that. >>: You're telling me Kayla is an actual person? >>: Yeah, that's my actual best friend. She lives here in Houston. >>: Who's Ciara? >>: I don't even know who that is. >>: Ciara said she's friends with Kayla. >>: We don't, I don't know nobody named Sierra, Ciara or whatever like, I don't know nobody with that name. >>: I am so mad, I can't even stop (bleep) moving. >>: You're telling me you only had one fake profile. >>: Yeah, I only got one fake profile and that was the Nelly- >>: Really? >>: Yeah, really. >>: I don't know if I can believe that 'cause it's so hard to take you serious. I don't know if you said anything true. >>: You're entitled to feel like that. >>: What about Ciara? >>: I don't know who that is. (indistinct words) Oh, your ex girlfriend, Ciara? Oh, yeah, I know Ciara. But just from Instagram. >>: You talk, you and like Nelly and Ciara talk? >>: Talk yeah, but not, not, not nothing like that. Not like not like dating or nothing. We didn't really like talk like, you know, like >>: Ciara's talking to Kayla, >>: But I don't know nothing about that. 'Cause I wasn't in the mix. >>: But Kayla and Nelly have the same phone number. >>: No, they don't. When Kayla was talking to Ciara, they was talking on my phone. >>: You're telling me Kayla, your friend, started her own relationship with someone else. That doesn't make sense. Why would she do that? >>: I don't know, ask her. >>: I just don't get how it intertwines. You just shrug off that, like that? >>: I feel like y'all asking me questions. I already explained like, and when I feel like, like, y'all put me my back against the wall, like trying to, like on some (bleep) I'm just not gonna talk. I'm not going to say none. I'm not going to speak so. >>: Okay, we don't want that. >>: Imma just be done with the situation. I'ma walk off, I'ma go on with my business. (crying) It's just like, you just lied about so much (bleep). No, I'm over it. I'm over it. I'm over it, period. >>: I understand everybody is very emotional. We're just gonna take a few minutes back in the car and then we'll back up. All right? >>: Okay. (intense music) >>: So, Raven admitted she is Nelly. We asked her about Kayla. She said, Kayla is her best friend. Sounds bogus. I mean, she's Kayla. >>: She's Kayla. >>: But, you know, she's emotional. She apparently had a rough fear. Found out her wife was cheating on her with a friend. They sort of split up, but they still live together and they're raising their daughter together. >>: That's what Raven said? >>: That's what she just told us. >>: Kayla told me the same thing. >>: Kayla's story is basically exactly Raven's story. All right, so then she's definitely Kayla. You need to come talk to her and call her out. No more lies. (intense music) Just hang here. Hey. >>: Hey. (train honking) >>: We also have Ciara with us. >>: Yeah, I know Ciara. >>: Yeah. >>: Right. >>: The situation with Kayla. They told me about her daughter, everything. And this is same situation she told me about. She had a daughter, she had a girlfriend. Her girlfriend winded up cheating on her, but it stayed together, you know, to basically help with the daughter and everything like that. >>: That didn't have nothing to do with me. I didn't tell Ciara to go talk to Kayla. I didn't tell Kayla go talk to Ciara. And when she texts Ciara from my phone, she deleted the messages out my phone before she gave me my phone. >>: Well, why wouldn't she just call Ciara from her own phone or texts? >>: 'Cause she got a husband. He goes through her phone or whatever the situation is. >>: You understand Kayla's story is very, very similar to your story? >>: Well I don't know nothing about that. >>: Can you call Kayla right now? Can we ask her some questions? >>: Yeah sure >>: Okay. Because that would just help clear things up. (phone ringing) >>: She didn't answer the phone. >>: Raven, come on. You see how all the arrows point to you. >>: Right. I'd like to all sit down together and just like wrap this up. Make sure everyone's asked whatever they have to ask. Said whatever they say and made it very clear. This needs to stop. >>: Okay. >>: How you feeling now? >>: I'm just, like, shocked. (sighing loudly) >>: Hard to know what to do here because you can't believe anything she says. Whatever, where are we going to get what we're going to get? So, I feel like the next and only thing left to do is just to go in there. Make sure that we all say what we need to say. >>: All right. Let's go in there. (intense music) Okay. Okay. So, obviously weird situation for us to be in trying to sort all this out. I just want to make sure we're clear. At least when it comes to Nelly, how long did you have the Nelly profile up before you met Oceana? >>: Probably like, a year. I said the sole purpose of the page was to make the page to talk to Oceana on. But I knew if I had three, four pictures that wasn't believable. >>: Wait a second, so you, you knew who Oceana was a year before you talked to her as Nelly? >>: Yeah. She was attractive to me. That's insane, because that's a real commitment. >>: My thing is, if you really want to dial, you had to do is just come as yourself. I would have comforted you just like, I comfort you when you were Nelly. >>: You know, I don't want to lose you as a friend. You know, you're amazing person, you know, that's really good. >>: You have to understand that for Ciara and Oceana, there's still a lot of suspicion that you might be Sierra and that this Kayla story might not be totally true. >>: Well, I mean, I already said what I gotta say about the situation. I already said that I don't got it. She's a real person, but I've told my truth and that's just that. >>: Moving forward. I assume you're not going to keep the Nelly profile. >>: No, I'm the, there ain't no purpose for it. >>: I think that everybody in the room has expressed some type of like this misplacement of affection. At this point, you chopped up (bleep) but, >>: I'm sorry that I kind of like put your life on hold playing with your feelings. And I apologize from the bottom of my heart and I hope you forgive me (smooth guitar) (knock on door) >>: Hi. >>: Hello. >>: Hey, wow. >>: I'm extremely nervous. Just because of everything we've found out. >>: So much we don't know about him. >>: Yeah. Don't really know his motives. I just want to remind you. We're here to just back you up. ♪ What do you think about what we're doing? Just, I'm extra nervous and excited. I'm nervous about this guy. ♪ >>: Hey, this is the street >>: That's it, right? >>: Alright, so I'll park here. So, we're here. What do you wanna do? >>: Go. >>: You're good to go? >>: Yeah. So it's cool. I'll text him, tell him we're downstairs. Alright. ♪ We'll just wait, sorta over here. Let's just hang here. Let him come down. Don't worry, okay? ♪ >>: Hi >>: How ya doing? >>: Good Niv. >>: Hi. >>: Hi. >>: What's your name? >>: Brian. >>: Brian. Hi, this is Jen. >>: Hi. And we brought her from Iowa. Just like I said, we would. It comes as a bit of a shock, I think for Janet and also for us that you're not the guy that we saw in the pictures. And your name is also not Skylar. >>: Yeah, I basically pretended to be Skylar 'cause I never wanted it to reach that point where she would know who I am. >>: So let, let me just get this straight. So do you have true feelings for Jennifer? >>: I don't have any like emotional feelings towards her. I would never be able to have a romantic relationship with her. >>: Then why the (bleep) are we here? Well, she's actually not the only girl I spoke to and felt like out of all the girls, this is like the perfect time. This is the perfect girl to finally come clean to an ends like Skylar. >>: What are you ever hoping to gain from all of these half true friendships that you have online? What's the point? >>: I wanted to like brush up my game and this is just something I do. >>: You understand this all makes you look like a huge (bleep), right? >>: Yeah, yeah. >>: Because I don't really give a (bleep) that you wanted to come clean and set the story straight for all the other girls that you're being a (bleep) to. Why did I bring this awesome, amazing girl from Iowa so that you could clear your conscience? >>: 'Cause I feel like it's good for her to finally know the truth. >>: You could have told her that on the phone though, right? >>: Yeah, but in a way I want it to end Skylar. And I feel like by telling Jen who I am, like that ends Skylar. >>: Right, but that's all about you. That's you taking care of your business and not really caring about how that's affecting someone else. It's kind of selfish. >>: Yeah, a little bit. >>: I don't really care anymore. First of all, I'm really impressed at how well you're handling this. >>: So you're literally fishing and hooking girls and then just kind of tossing them back into the ocean with scars. >>: I would just, yeah, I would stop speaking to them. >>: But are you sorry? Or do you feel like you kind of didn't do anything wrong here? >>: I don't know if I'm sorry, but it's, it is what it is. And I was giving her like a gift of being in that relationship. >>: You were giving her a gift? >>: Yeah, I mean, she was happy. I know I was leading her on, but I knew it was never be permanent. >>: You told us on the phone that you had real feelings for her and wanted to see where this would go. And then you just kind of come out here and just straight up or like, "I had no emotional feelings." That's what you said. Which is not what you told us on the phone. >>: Yeah. >>: I think you got to take a hard look in the mirror and ask yourself what you're doing. Just seems really shallow that you would lead these girls on to brush up on your game. >>: I guess it could seem that way. >>: You're going to have a shallow, miserable existence and people are going to think you're a douche bag. >>: I guess I just don't understand. Like what he was saying with how he was trying to like brush up on his game or whatever. >>: You've got an opportunity now on behalf of all the girls that this guy's been playing with to tell him exactly how you feel about him. I encourage you to consider that. >>: Okay. (loud drums) I thought you liked me. And apparently these other girls thought that you liked them too. And you didn't consider how I felt and you lied to them and you're wasting all this time, and you're wasting my time. Why did you even come down? >>: I want it to come clean to you face to face. >>: But, did you want to come clean to me? Or did you just want to feel better about yourself? >>: I wanted to come clean to you because I felt like you were, you were special. You have a cool personality. You're different than most girls. So you pick the coolest girl to reveal how much of a (bleep) you were. >>: It's more of a (bleep) move to lie. >>: But are you even admitting the fact that you're a (bleep) or are you just saying it because all these people are looking at you? >>: No, I felt like it's the best thing to come clean to you. >>: I don't even know if I believe that. ♪ Did you consider the fact that I did like you? >>: No, I didn't. >>: I wasn't as concerned about your feelings. >>: By successfully avoiding being yourself with the handful of girls that you talked to on the internet, you've now revealed yourself to basically women around the world for being exactly who you are. It's not a good portrait. >>: And once it reached its peak, I would be gone. I wouldn't drag it on. >>: Exactly, Where would I be? You have a sense of self confidence. I knew that about her. I knew that she stayed. >>: How did you know? >>: What you've done is cruel! Do you get that? >>: No. >>: You don't get it. It doesn't matter how much I stand here and you really don't get it. >>: You've done an incredible job of being honest, holding true to who you are. He's a mess. That's gonna be frustrating. You're going to feel anger and resentment for him, but that's okay. All that matters is that you did what was right and true for you. And the example that you're going to set, the people you're going to help through this makes it totally worth it. ♪ >>: Let's get the (bleep) out of here. (calm music) (intense music) (knock on door) >>: Hello? >>: Hello? >>: Oh, hi. What's up? >>: What are we going to get? >>: Take your time. No rush. I guess it's about (indistinct). It's okay if you're nervous, just try to relax. Take some deep breaths. (intense music) Take, take it slow. Why don't you tell me how you're feeling? >>: Nervous, okay. I understand. They're three very friendly guys out here, myself included. Just want to say hello and chat for a minute. Whenever you're ready. >>: You want me, can I just come in maybe first and then we can go out together? Does that work? >>: Door opening, doors opening. Nev is going inside. Nev has disappeared inside. (dramatic music) >>: He got further than me. >>: Don't tell me, you upset or worried? >>: You'll feel better and he'll feel better. I couldn't, I couldn't pick a nicer guy. All right? (crying) Let me hold your hand. Come on you got this you're, you're already there. You're already there. It's over. >>: Someone's coming out, >>: Yeah good, nice. That's it. That's all it is. >>: You Know this person? >>: This is this Nicole taking her time. Come on. Nicely done. Nick, Nicole. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: You've been the one talking to Nick the whole time, okay. >>: So why? You've had months to just be honest. >>: I don't want you to think that I'm some type of a malicious person, 'cause I'm not. When I made the profile, I didn't even really talk to anybody. But then when I started talking to you, it was just like, it was easy because it's just like, Let's just be real. You wouldn't look at me the same way that you looked at that person because I am not, Sometimes they don't feel good about myself. >>: The hard part's over. Look, I know this was a lot. We want to know why this started as much as you want to share with us. >>: I'm sorry, I can't, I can't, I can't do this right now, I'm sorry. ♪ >>: What do we do now? >>: We should give her some space. We should go. She definitely seems to be struggling with... >>: The anxiety problems. >>: Her name was real. >>: Yes. Let's regroup tomorrow and see where we stand. >>: Yeah, this has gotta be her. >>: Yeah. >>: How are you doing? I'm Nev. >>: Hi >>: Hi >>: Of course, you know CJ. We don't know who you are. >>: Rebecca. >>: Rebecca. Okay, nice to finally meet you. Do you want to explain what's going on here? >>: I don't even know where to start. >>: What, what's your deal? I mean, what of Shanna is true? What's not true? Who, who are you? >>: I think Shana as a general person, that's really who I am. >>: Yeah, maybe the personality. >>: Yeah. >>: I got a question. So this whole time using Syracuse. >>: Yeah. Why did you tell me that you live in New Jersey? >>: I made up like New Jersey and other places I lived to try to like get away from the situation because I felt bad. >>: How did you keep it for like eight years, like? >>: Just didn't tell anybody. >>: So if you, if you never had any intentions on meeting him, what was the point of all of this? >>: I honestly, I don't know. I had a lot of, when I made the Facebook, I was in a situation I'm just trying to catch the person I was with cheating. So I made the Facebook to do that. That's how I ended up talking to CJ. >>: How did you get all those pictures though? >>: Some girl that was friends with my son on Facebook. >>: How many kids do you have? >>: Five. >>: Wow. >>: Do you really have a daughter? >>: I do. I call her (bleep). >>: Was she really sick and stuff? >>: No. >>: So, you set up a GoFundMe page for a daughter with fake cancer. That's seriously sick. Were you- >>: I think I was just, I was trying to cover the lie that I had told him. I wasn't, I didn't have like, it wasn't, "Oh, well, I'm just going to rob people of their money." It was another lie to cover another lie, to cover another lie. >>: Who's Destiny? >>: Me. >>: Are you serious? Why did you tell me that you died? >>: I just like, I really just wanted to be done with the situation. I didn't want to keep lying, but then I felt bad because you were really hurt over. >>: But then you started talking to other people as Destiny. and obviously continue talking as Shayna too, because we reached out to a handful of people on Shayna's Facebook page. And most of them have very similar stories to CJ. If you're done it to one person, you maybe could say you felt bad, but to see that you've been doing it to, I don't even know how many, I mean, do you even know how many people you've talked to is hurt? >>: No, most of them minus CJ was more or less to just, keep that image going so that people wouldn't think that it was a fake Facebook. I never took those conversations seriously. It wasn't- >>: Well, they did take it seriously. I understand the, the original reason for making the Shannon profile was something else. But when you met CJ, was it just for fun to talk to him or did you? >>: I really cared about like, I really started having feelings for him. >>: But he was 17 and you're not in your twenties? No offense. How old are you? >>: 38. >>: Wow. So, okay. You were 30 when you met him? >>: Yeah. I don't really think about it. >>: You knew he was 17 when you met him? >>: Yeah. >>: That's kinda messed up. Like, it's one thing to mess with people your own age, but like to mess with a kid for eight years of his like, young adult life. >>: I don't know, I'm just hurt about it like, because- >>: I wasn't trying to hurt you. >>: That's not true. He had girlfriends that you (bleep) with. >>: Yeah, hen I was in a relationship and stuff, you'd sabotage my relationships and you was in a relationship with other people, >>: You ever texted or message any of the girls he was dating? >>: I don't remember that. >>: Are you serious? That's crazy. I gotta go for a second. ♪ >>: You good? >>: At the everything we've been through eight years, I didn't think it was going to be like this. Eight years with the lies. I'm hurt, honestly. >>: He's so much a part of my life, all my good moments, all my bad moments. When I needed somebody to talk to, he was always there that I was just always worried that he was just going to not be there anymore. And then I was afraid he was going to hate me on top of that. >>: She said she didn't sabotage some of my relationships. She did. >>: Eight years and she's doing the same thing. >>: Right. >>: I feel horrible. >>: Do you? 'Cause I'm hearing you express feelings for yourself and not wanting him to hate you, but like it doesn't take into account the fact that that >>: that I deceived him. >>: Yeah. So I think for his sake, think a little bit about him. >>: Okay. >>: Dig a little deeper and then let's meet back up. >>: Alright, great. I'll speak to you soon. >>: Okay. >>: We're going to meet back up with her in a little bit. ♪ Arc is about six minutes away. Well, who's this? >>: That's Courtney. >>: What the (bleep) >>: She trying to say something else? >>: What is she doing? >>: She said she has to say something to you. >>: Aubri. I don't want you to go to the park and Brian not show up because I'm Brian. >>: So wait, there is no Brian. There's no meeting at the park. You're the one we've been messaging with. >>: What the (bleep) Oh, my God! >>: I'm sorry, the way everything happened. I really have a lot of feelings for you. Like these, all these feelings of stuff are new to me. I didn't know what to do or how to feel. >>: Wow. You could have told me like we live together. Why would you lie to me though? >>: I was talking to Janisa about how I felt about you. And she was basically helping me come up with ideas. She actually created the Brian Snapchat. She did everything. >>: What's confusing to me is like, how does making a fake dude? >>: Janisa was just like, "You should just make a Snapchat and talk to her. Like just to get to know her." So I would know everything. Like what's she like, what she doesn't like before I pictured her as myself. So that's what we were talking for those months. >>: So you were just trying to get to know her so that eventually would feel like you were ready as yourself to start trying to be friends, but why didn't that happen? But you had three months. >>: Well, I don't know. Like I was just nervous, I was scared. >>: What inspired you to finally come clean? And why did you think this was the best way to do it? >>: Janessa came up with this idea of Catfish: The Show. We've been talking for that long. We weren't going anywhere. So I wanted to try something new and I just agreed to it. >>: That's so wrong. >>: I don't know when she went into the show, I wasn't around her when she wrote in. I honestly thought like she was just playing about it. I didn't know she was for real gonna do it. And I really didn't want it to happen this way. I was tryna back out of it. >>: So is that what was going on yesterday with that weird text from Patrick? >>: Yes. I didn't know what to do. I asked Patrick if he could help come up with some way of getting me out of this, but like right now, like I'm scared, awkward, like it's awkward, I'm nervous. I'm embarrassed. I'm basically coming out in front of everybody. >>: How do you feel? >>: I just feel, I feel betrayed really is like, I live with her, like she, my roommate. So it's like, I wouldn't think, like you're the last person I would think that you was like, Cat fishing me. >>: I feel like, you could did it in a different way. Now she doesn't feel comfortable in her own home, you know? >>: Yeah I mean, look, the messed up thing is that now Aubri has to deal with the fact that her friend Janisa has also been lying to her. >>: And she liked to us. >>: And is Janisa here? >>: Yeah she's in her room. >>: 'Cause I think we probably want to talk to her also. >>: I'll go get her. >>: It is really cold. >>: You mind if I put this on her? She's like shiv- >>: No, yeah. >>: Thank you. >>: Right over here. (gate clangs) Janisa. >>: I want to tell you, I apologize. And I'm so sorry. The goal was to get her to come out to you and let you know that how much she cares about you. Isn't to like embarrass you at all. I really care about both of y'all and I wanted y'all both happy. It wasn't like to be evil at all. >>: But you could've told me though. Like you supposed to be my friend. You could have been like, "Hey, Courtney got a crush on you," or something. I feel betrayed by you. And then I feel betrayed by you too, because you supposed to be my friend. >>: I really do feel bad and I apologize. >>: That's so forced. Just for you to think that that would be any type of healthy relationship anyway, even if it did develop, like, and to me, it's damn near out of pocket for you to feel like that's your place, you know? 'Cause they're both your friends. >>: Yeah. >>: Very mastermind, but. >>: Courtney, I get having a crush on someone and not necessarily knowing if they like you back. But I mean, what's confusing to me is you've been in very close proximity to her for a while. Did you ever pick up on like a potential vibe from her that maybe she was into you, or even like interested in women? >>: I mean, no. Like when we are around each other, my vibe was just like, we cool with each other. >>: It's just not, two plus two ain't equal four around this bitch, like. I just feel like both of you never incorporated her feelings at all. >>: I understand what you mean. Like, I understand. I went about it a selfish way 'cause I was only like focused on her when I should have been, like, thinking about you too. And I apologize. I really do. I don't want you to like, just hate me. Even though like you probably already do, but. >>: All right. Why don't you give us a minute just to try to check in with Aubri? We'll see you in a few. (sad music) You all right? >>: Yeah. >>: Damn. >>: That's crazy. >>: Just feels kind of messed up and gross. Janisa decides she's going to write into "Catfish", puppeteering this whole situation from the beginning. Like, that's not in your best interest. >>: Mm-mm. >>: That just feels really- >>: Grimy. >>: Yeah. >>: I don't even know. I'm probably just gonna leave and just go chill for a little bit. >>: Yeah, if I were you I don't know if I'd want to go up there right now. Why don't you do your thing? We'll meet back up and then we can invite them to meet us somewhere and hash it out. >>: All right, sounds good. ♪ >>: Aubri, are you leaving? >>: Wow, it really is like a Shakespeare play. This girl's in love with her, they're roommates, she doesn't say anything, she makes the fake profile to talk to her. >>: Friends don't do that. Janisa was never her friend. >>: The Janisa situation is like a whole other thing. >>: I don't think she understands the damage she's done and she needs to know. (Nev) There she is. Time to confess. (dramatic music) (Angel) Hey you guys. >>: What's up? >>: Hey, what is Cece doing here? >>: Uh, well, okay. So yesterday, we did some investigation. We found some things. We want to go through all that with you. But this morning, Cece called us back and then she asked to come over here and talk to you. >>: Okay. >>: You know that guy, Jordan you've been talking to? >>: Yes. What about him? >>: I've been talking to him. >>: What? >>: Yeah. >>: When did you even start talking to Jordan? >>: Like a few weeks ago. We've been texting and he calls me. >>: He calls you? >>: Yeah. >>: Like a relationship talking? >>: Yeah. You don't even seem that serious about him. >>: What are you talking about? What do ya mean I'm not serious? >>: You have Brendan. >>: Why the (bleep) would you, Oh, my God. I cannot- I can't even talk right now. This is just, this is so messed up. >>: Whatever. >>: Doesn't make any sense. >>: It don't make sense that you was talking to two dudes at the same time. >>: It doesn't matter. >>: It do matter. >>: That's my situation. You know that I'm with Jordan. Why would you talk to him? >>: Well, me talking to Jordan is my situation. >>: I don't have anything to say to you, so. >>: You told her the truth. Now let's move on to the next issue, which is, who the hell this guy is anyway. But we can do that with just you. >>: I don't want her, no. >>: I think that's understandable. We can call you later and sort of fill you in. But I think maybe that's a good place to leave it for the moment. A lot of roads end here. >>: I didn't even know it was a fountain over here. >>: We're just meeting him at this fountain? >>: He said, yeah. He said the fountain. Just chill here then I guess, so we can see when they get here? Establish as wide a perimeter as we can. >>: I feel like someone's going to, like, roll up on us right now. >>: It was always that sort of weirdness. Here comes a guy on a bike. >>: Here he is. >>: He sorta looked like he was coming over here. But I don't think so. Where is Angel? >>: She's taking forever. Maybe she's here with him. >>: I had a crazy thought that maybe it is Angel. >>: Texting herself? >>: And then she made this whole thing. I don't know. And then she just made the whole thing up. >>: Oh, uh-uh. (Nev) Is that her? (Cece) Mm-hmm. (Laura) That's Angel, right? >>: And that maybe she's in love with you. (Cece) That'd be crazy. (Laura) That's Angel, right? >>: Mm-hmm. (tense music) (Nev) Hey. (Laura) Hi. >>: Hi. >>: How you doing? >>: I'm doing all right. >>: Good to see you. >>: Kind of. Feeling nervous. Good to see you, too. (Nev) So we're just waiting. >>: Yeah. >>: Trying to figure out what the heck is going on here. It's not you, is it? >>: No! (Laura) You're not Jordan? >>: No, I'm not Jordan. (Laura) You're not Jordan? (tense music) >>: It's 2:30. >>: You ain't heard from him? >>: No. >>: Do you wanna know why you ain't heard from him? 'Cause I'm Jordan. Stupid bitch. >>: What? >>: Yeah. >>: Are you serious? >>: Yeah. Yeah. (Nev) I don't understand. So you made the profile. It's been you the whole time. >>: Yup. >>: Why would you do this for this long? >>: It don't matter how long I been doing it. You had it coming. >>: What did she have coming? >>: This girl been stealing dudes from me for years. How does it feel, 'cause it don't feel good, right? It don't feel good. >>: What is this? >>: So you created the profile- (Cece) Yes I did. >>: To match with her, 'cause you knew she was on Tinder. >>: I was eventually gon' tell her, but she wants to meet Jordan. So here I am. (Nev) What are these guys that you stole, is that true, or? >>: I don't know what she's talking about?. >>: You don't? Use your brain. You don't know? You stole three dudes from me, Angel! >>: I didn't steal anybody from you. >>: Roy, Troy, and Chris. >>: What? >>: I guess this would've been, like, years ago? >>: Yes. >>: There were some guys that you started talking to. Relationships or these were guys that you-- ? >>: I wasn't in a relationship. But we were talking, in the midst of talking. These were people that could've been potential for me. Oh, oh, I'm drunk, I'm drunk, I was sitting on his lap. That's (bleep) you don't do. Once she was at a party, she magically appeared on his lap, it didn't feel good. (dramatic music) >>: There's actually a lot of people here. Just sort of, could be any of these people. Okay. (Chelsea) I don't know what to think right now. (Tallulah) (exhales deeply) Do a little wiggle, right? Just do a little wiggle. >>: All right, well. He should be there pretty soon. (Tallulah) Is this a Lyft? >>: Yeah, uh-oh. Hello! I don't think there's anyone in there, is there? Are they stopping or not? No, they're just parking. False alarm. (Tallulah sighs) (Tallulah) I mean there's definitely someone in the car. (suspenseful music) (Nev) All right, oh. (Tallulah) That's some bull (bleep). >>: Hey, Chelsea. (cheerful music) I'm real. (Nev) Hey, Nev. >>: Lennie. >>: Tallulah. (Tallulah) Hi! >>: Well, welcome. We're all a little surprised. >>: Yeah. >>: Why? >>: I think there're some things that might've seemed like maybe it wasn't gonna be you coming out of the car. >>: Like what? >>: You never FaceTime. >>: Yeah I mean, it's just kind of hard with my schedule. You know, I have two different jobs. >>: I know, but a five minute FaceTime. >>: Yeah. >>: I think you're communicating something more by not doing it than just by, "Okay, hey, what's up, "I'm a real person." >>: I guess, yeah. >>: I have a busy schedule too. I do two jobs plus my apprenticeship. >>: Yeah. >>: You made sort of an allusion to there being something that you were concerned or maybe like insecure or uncertain about. Is there something that Chelsea doesn't know? >>: No, it's just, I mean, she has seen me on TV. Like she has that understanding of me. >>: Yeah, but I never had this idea of you that you had to meet this expectation or anything. >>: I'm just kinda concerned with how you picture me in your head versus reality. >>: Yeah. >>: We talked to your friend, Pierce. He said you might have someone else administrating your Facebook page? >>: Kinda had somebody that was in control of that whenever I was on the TV show. >>: Is someone still actively administrating? >>: Yeah. >>: Like that never even crossed my mind. It's just kind of- >>: 'Cause obviously if you're giving them your login- >>: They can see our messages. >>: Yeah. >>: Yeah. >>: Is there kind of some rules with that? >>: Yeah, they're not supposed to snoop too much. >>: Okay, but we also asked Pierce if the number Chelsea had is the same number he had, he said no. >>: He might have my older one. >>: So you gave him a really old number that you don't use anymore? >>: I have a work phone. >>: Okay, we found some weird names associated with your phone number. Bruman? >>: Oh, that's my sister. And my brother-in-law. >>: Your sister's Facebook page has your phone number on it. >>: That's weird, I didn't know that. We have a family plan together, so. >>: Right, but still a little weird. I mean it's almost crazier that it's you and that there was all this mystery around you not Face Timing, and that could've been easily- >>: Explained by a few things. Maybe that could've been communicated to her. >>: Okay, that just brings me to the big question for us. Where are you with your feelings for Chelsea? You guys have obviously talked about being together and maybe starting a family. And you're an adult. >>: Like moving to Utah, and having kids and getting married. >>: Those are some big words. >>: I've never said that to somebody. Like it's just kind of, that's major, you know? You don't just say those things. >>: I mean, it's kind of like a long-distance thing. Flights are kind of expensive. I wanted to save up. It's kind of what I'm doing right now, I'm working two jobs so I could possibly see her. >>: But you knew plane tickets were expensive when you said, "I wanna come see you." I can't tell if you really wanna make it work or if you kinda like that it can't work and it's sort of nice that it's far enough away that you can have it but not have to do too much. >>: If it were possible for us to have a relationship, I would totally be down. It's just the struggle of living so far away from each other. >>: But I think you're jumping to the end of the game. Why didn't you ever draw her back? You know? She did one for you. >>: Well actually, I made one about six months ago for her. But I brought my wrong notebook today. >>: Cool. >>: Why don't we just take two seconds just to check in? We can chat a little bit, you guys can chat a little bit. >>: It's all a bit of this, "I wanted to but I didn't." >>: Seems like she's upset. >>: Yeah. >>: I think that even if there were obstacles, that's a (bleep) excuse. >>: Yeah. I'm here, he's here. >>: He needs to be showing up here wowing you. >>: Yeah, he has to talk please. Like, say something. ♪ If this is really how it ends ♪ >>: Chelsea really thought like, "Whoa, this could be a real relationship." >>: I'm not leading her on or anything, if that's what you're implying. I feel pretty strongly for her, it's just, I didn't know if we would ever actually get to meet. >>: Obviously he's into you, but that's not enough, you know what I mean? He needs to be showing up here wowing you. >>: Yeah. >>: My mom told me this once, if you turn the volume down, what's there? >>: It's like actions, yeah. Actions speak louder than words. (Nev) She's been sort of pumping the brakes with this other guy that she just started seeing, because she's not sure where things are with you. >>: I didn't realize that. >>: Yeah. If you really wanna make this work, let her know. Why don't we walk over there, and you guys can chat. (Lennie) Okay. >>: I think the move here is to let you guys talk without us. It'd be good for you guys to at least sort of know where you are with each other. Take some time, we'll see you guys in a little bit. >>: This is pretty weird, but I'm glad that I can actually meet you. >>: We're here. I'm real. What do you want? >>: I mean, I would like a relationship. >>: You'd like one, but you've said that before. >>: Going about figuring out how to do that, that's the tough part. >>: That's just not an answer though, you know? I don't feel like you ever really had the intention of having anything serious. You just liked the idea. And I think I liked the idea too. But that's it. I want to leave today and move on with my life. We'll be friends. (suspenseful music) (knocking on door) >>: Is there a door bell? >>: I don't see one. I don't see anyone. (knocking on door) Hello? >>: There is another door. You do the honors. (knocking on door) >>: Door doesn't look like it gets used a lot though. >>: The house kinda feels like- >>: Nobody's here. >>: It doesn't feel super lived in, right? >>: It's blocked. >>: Oh, I see someone. >>: You do? >>: Yeah. Oh, I definitely see someone. Someone just came down the stairs. >>: Here, it's a woman in white. >>: Yeah. >>: I think. (suspense music) >>: Oh, hello. Hi. >>: Hi. >>: Nice to meet you. Do you want to come down and say hello? (dramatic music) >>: So you're Cashay? That's, that's crazy. >>: Thank you for agreeing to meet us. Just to be very clear, you've been talking to DeJohn? >>: Yeah. >>: What's your name? >>: My real name is Gervaise. >>: All right. >>: Whoa. >>: Sydney, who we met yesterday is that your cousin? >>: Yeah. >>: Okay. Are you alright? >>: Yes, I'm okay. >>: It's overwhelming. >>: Yeah. 21 months down the drain. I didn't know who you were. I got a whole bunch of questions. >>: Can we just get your stats? Are you 30? >>: Yeah, I'm 30. >>: And do you have a son? >>: No. >>: Do you have any children? >>: No. >>: Okay. >>: Wow. >>: Have you ever ran into DeJohn before? Because you guys live really close to each other. >>: No. >>: What happened? Why did you mess with me? Man, for one time, just be real. >>: I didn't even, like this is not intentional, it just happened, I guess. In the beginning, it was a game. I was fishin', one day on POF. And some type of way, he just got hooked. It wasn't necessarily you I was fishing for, it just happened. And like over the years, you know, we just grown to be close I guess, you know? >>: You had me believing in us in a whole 'nother woman. >>: No. I had you looking at a whole 'nother woman. But the woman that you talk to every day is me. >>: Why use somebody else's photos? Like you're an attractive woman, you have beautiful eyes. Why not use pictures of yourself? >>: When you're behind that person, you can do, and you can be, and you can create the image that you want to portray to somebody else. Because I already know how I'd been tormented in my past. You know what I'm sayin'? I know how I've been judged. Cashay, probably might be a little bit better than my real person. >>: When did you first start making a fake profile? >>: I've been fishin' since before Catfish was really Catfish. Like the chat lines, the phone chat lines, and stuff like that. It was like a outlet. >>: How many profiles have you had? >>: Ain't no tellin'. >>: I was so caught up in Cashay that like a couple months ago, went and purchased a engagement ring. (sad music) I was that serious. >>: Because you guys talked about starting a life together. >>: Yeah. (breathing heavily) >>: I forked over a lot of money for that damn ring thinkin' that I've found my one. (sad music) >>: I'm sorry DeJohn. I'm sorry. I care about you. Like, I really, I care about you. I didn't want to hurt you, okay? I can't do nothing but stand here as a woman, as me, and apologize. I hope that you can still try to start over as friends. That's all, you know? >>: I mean. I need some air real quick. This is a bit much. A bit much for me. (sad music) I'm over it. This is crazy as hell. Totally different people. ♪ Let me down easy baby ♪ >>: Nothing was real. ♪ Lay me down on the forest floor ♪ >>: What do you think drove you to kind of hide behind these profiles? >>: I had a terrible childhood, and I was not nobody's friend. I found Cashay, she was really really pretty, and like my profile, just didn't work like hers. Cashay is just very nice, and just, I don't know. >>: Are you not nice? >>: She's just different. I get nervous. I laugh when I'm nervous. >>: That's fine. >>: I cry like, I'm weird. >>: I don't think you're that weird. >>: You're different, you're interesting. >>: Thank you. >>: My only issue with it is that you're really hurting other people. ♪ Let me down easy baby ♪ >>: Everything was laughs. Everything. ♪ Let me down easy baby ♪ I would've left with a figment of my imagination. Or a figment of someone else's imagination. I don't know. I've never went through no situation like this. This is- this is crazy as hell. I don't even know that girl. I don't. I've never felt this way ever. >>: Should we go back? >>: Yeah, if you want to. >>: I don't want to do this anymore. All right, I care about that man. He's a good-hearted person. I never meant to hurt him. >>: We're back. >>: Why don't we go inside. And we can all sit down, and we can talk a little bit more. >>: That's fine. >>: This is it. >>: This is it. (tense music) >>: We're on a dirt road now. Mystery man road. (Max) It's a dangerous game. >>: Look at this lake. What's that? >>: There's a guy out there. Could he be the guy on the boat? (Nev) I don't know. (Max) Hard to tell. >>: He's looking over here, I just can't see his face. (Kelsey) That's sketchy. (Max) Unless that's not even him? (Kelsey) I don't know. Doesn't look like some of them in the pictures. (Nev) Didn't seem too interested in us. Well, he told us to meet him here. (Max) What is going on here? >>: I don't get it. >>: Does the trail end here? I don't understand. (Max) Oh wait, wait, Nev. ♪ (suspenseful music) >>: Oh, God. >>: How's it going? >>: It's him! >>: He's real. (Max) It's him. >>: He's real and he's alive, and he looks like him too. (Max) How you doing? >>: Good, how are you? (Max) I'm Max. >>: Good to meet ya, hi. Brandon, yes sir. >>: Nev. >>: Good to meet ya. >>: Just checking. >>: So, seeing as it is you, that obviously raises some questions for us. >>: Where's your truck? What's up with that phone call? >>: My truck's broken again, like always. >>: So you just had that, okay. >>: It's what I use on the hut property all the time when I'm working food plots and all that stuff. That's the beast that I use. >>: Oh yeah? >>: Yeah. >>: This morning freaked us all out. >>: Yeah. That wasn't cool. >>: It had me freaked out a little bit too. >>: Could handle it like more calmly and rationally. >>: I was aggravated already and... >>: Yeah it felt like you were hiding something or you were a totally different person. >>: If I was hiding something I'd be over the hills right now. (Nev) Well, right. >>: I wouldn't be standing here. >>: But the truck is actually at a shop? (Brandon) Oh, yeah. >>: So that just happened to happen today. >>: Yeah, oh yeah. >>: And in Louisiana? >>: Yeah. It happens every time I try to see you, I know. (Max) What happened in Louisiana? How did that all go down? >>: That, we were supposed to meet, she had to leave on Friday, which Mudfest went till Sunday. >>: It started on Wednesday. >>: Uh-huh. Who shows up on a Wednesday though? >>: People who work. >>: Yeah I work during the week. >>: That's a good point. >>: So you just genuinely did plan on getting there >>: I really did. >>: And seeing her, but you got hung up and you missed her by a few hours or something. >>: We actually took pictures of, you know, I took a picture of myself in our campsite and she was in my campsite and took a picture of herself. We missed each other by like two hours. >>: What about visiting her in Texas? >>: I've always, you know, I'm not a very wealthy person, pretty strapped for cash usually, and always doing my truck and that's a long ways to go on a broken truck. >>: Who is William? >>: William, that's my pops, my old man. (Brandon) Yeah, that's my dad. >>: We were also a little curious, you know, we spoke to your friend, Justin. He hadn't heard about Kelsey, you had never mentioned her. >>: I keep you know, pretty much my stuff, my business to me. I've mentioned her, you know, to friends, but not like told 'em everything about her, stuff like that. They'll see me you know, looking at my phone, text messages and stuff and smiling and whatever, they're, "Who's that?" It's Kelsey. >>: I mean that answers most of our questions. (Max) I'm not done. >>: You're not done? (Max) Nope. >>: You're not convinced? >>: You gotta pass a few more tests before I'm willing to bless this. You don't have another girlfriend right now? >>: No, absolutely not. (Max) You don't have some girl in some other zip code? >>: No. >>: So do you have feelings for Kelsey that are in line with everything you've told her on the phone and stuff? >>: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. She's an awesome girl. But yeah. >>: I'm just- >>: Are you on the universe's side yet, Max? Are you officially on the universe's side, Max? >>: Yes, he's been telling you the truth. You've got yourself a real deal, redneck Romeo. >>: I'm so happy. >>: It's only been four years, what are you talking about? >>: You know what, I'm gonna separate you for one second. I'm gonna bring Kelsey over here. >>: Should I go? >>: Yeah, you can go with Redneck Romeo. (Max) Is everything cool? >>: Absolutely, I'm stoked. It's just a shocker. I was honestly on your team in the inside. I was doubting a lot, just playing it cool. (Max) And what do you feel about what he said? >>: Coming from a small town, and being a single mum, I understand budgets, so I believe him. He hasn't lied to me. I don't think he's lied to me at all about anything. >>: Yes, it's a big deal for her. You guys still live faraway from each other, so there's a lot of things to work through. >>: Yes, there's a lot of things to consider. It's the truth. >>: But I will just be happy to hear that you're definitely interested. >>: I've definitely got feelings for her. She's definitely unique. >>: She's super unique. >>: Happily every after doesn't normally happen to me, so thank you guys for making this happen. >>: Yes, sometimes good people get what they deserve. >>: I'm gonna cry, don't film me. >>: Do you want to go for a ride, let's do it? (Max) I do see two helmets on that ATV. >>: Did I answer all your questions? (Nev) Yes sir, you got the job. >>: You guys have a good day. >>: Look at you. >>: Look at you. >>: I don't believe it. >>: I hate to say it, but I told you. >>: I'll be damned, it's him. (Max) All right, you two, be safe. >>: I'll try to keep her clean. ♪ (Nev) There we go. >>: There it is. Happy ending. Look at that. (The Time Song plays) All right, man. We did it. It's on him now. (Kelsey) Are we gonna call this a date? >>: Yep, the whole thing. ♪ >>: All right, here's the park. >>: What's wrong? >>: I'm worrying about what Akira is thinking about right now. I'm thinking about what's going through her mind. I just want everything to be okay. I still wish Akira could have came. >>: I don't think you'd want Akira there. All right, let's see what's going on here. >>: Okay, let's do this. (suspenseful music) >>: It's crazy. (Nev) I think I see her. >>: What the (bleep)? (Nev) Jamie? (Kamie) Does it look like her? >>: I don't know. Oh, my (bleep) gosh. This is crazy. >>: Hi. >>: How you doing? Nev. >>: I'm Jamie. >>: Kamie. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: Obviously you know William. >>: Yes. >>: Why don't we talk out here. It's a little dark under there. So what's going on? >>: A lot. >>: You're Jamie? >>: Yeah. >>: The whole time you were Jamie? >>: Mhm-hm, but I did tell you in text who I was, and I sent you pictures. >>: You're right, because we just saw. So when you first met him, were you lying about the pictures? >>: Yes, I was. >>: Okay, so initially you were using different pictures? So you admitted that you were using the wrong pictures and you sent him the right pictures? >>: Yes. >>: Then did you go back to using fake pictures again? >>: Yes, because he kept on not really believing that was me, so in my head I said I would go along with it. >>: So that's confusing for him. I mean, for most people I would think they would get it. >>: When I started developing feelings that I had, I came clean because I felt it was the right thing to do. >>: Thank you. You are the first person. You lied about who you were, then you got into a relationship, you had feelings for him so you told him the truth. >>: Yes, because it was bothering me. >>: You didn't want to believe it. >>: I didn't want to believe it. >>: What's up with all the money? Because that's very confusing to us. >>: I had feelings for him and I just wanted to help him out. >>: Just because you liked him? >>: Because she loved me. >>: Yeah. >>: And was that your money? >>: Yeah, that I was making on social media. I mean, I never really had a really serious relationship, and it was like, if I send him money, yes, it would keep him around. And I look at it now that I shouldn't have done that, but, because I couldn't break how I felt, then I just kept doing it. >>: These other accounts that I think you created to mess with him and other girls that he was dating, is that? >>: No. >>: Did you not make any of those accounts? >>: No. >>: But you've contacted Akira? >>: No. I mean, I don't know what messages you're referring to. >>: I know where you live. I want my money back. >>: Yeah, I have said that, but I didn't actually think I was gonna do that. >>: You didn't try to login to her Instagram account? >>: No, there's no way I could have done that. >>: I don't see nobody else doing that. >>: I didn't have a valid reason to go after Akira. >>: Well, yes you did. >>: You do, honestly, yes. >>: You love him and have a relationship with him, and then he started dating Akira. >>: I wouldn't blame you because I would be (bleep) pissed off too. I would be like, "Who the hell do you think you are just walking all over me?" >>: I feel like you're really judgmental at times. >>: Oh, my god, I'm judgmental? >>: Yeah. >>: I don't think I'm judgmental. I don't judge people. I don't think that's right. I would not say that to you. >>: Wait, so after you showed him pictures of yourself, he said, "I'm not attracted to this girl, she's ugly"? >>: Yeah. >>: That's (bleep) up. >>: And he said that he didn't find my actual voice attractive. >>: You said her voice was ugly? >>: Yeah, I said her voice was ugly. I don't remember though, but yeah. (Jamie) I do. >>: You don't remember a lot of memories of a lot of things. >>: Because I try to forget. >>: I remember everything. I pretty much keep all of our convos, I have everything. >>: That's how much you were in love with me, huh? You really did love me? >>: Yeah. >>: What are your feelings towards William now? >>: I still love him, I do. I think he is a great person regardless of me feeling hurt. >>: So you would like to have a relationship of some kind, and honestly you still have strong feelings for him? >>: Yeah. >>: But he's in a relationship. So what are your feelings now for Jamie? I mean, do you want to still be friends? >>: No. ♪ I just feel like we should go our separate ways and move on from this, because of Akira. She thinks if we're talking that I still have feelings, I still love her and care about her. But that's not the case at all, because I love Akira and I wouldn't do that. I'm not a cheater. >>: William, if you don't want to be friends with Jamie, then you also can't be accepting her money. >>: I know. I apologize. I'm sorry for everything I did, or if you feel like I hurt you, I apologize for that. >>: I feel the same way. I mean, yeah, I'm sorry I lied to you about a lot of things. >>: I think that moving forward, you're gonna find somebody who truly loves you and respects you, and you won't feel judged, because you do strike all of us as a really great person, and you deserve to have that. (bleep) this guy. (laughing) >>: All right. I guess that's that. >>: Goodbye. >>: Bye. >>: Good luck, girl. >>: Thank you. >>: Any goodbye? >>: Nope. I'm cold and ready to leave. I need to go home to my baby. >>: You ain't (bleep). You better go back there and give Akira the biggest hug in the world. >>: Yeah, I am. (Kamie) Get your ass in the car. ♪ (Nev) Well, you've got to go clean up this mess you've made with Akira. >>: She's (bleep) mad. I understand that I was wrong in some ways, but all I want to do is just move on in my life with Akira. (Nev) This is it. >>: I'm a little nervous. >>: This is crazy. >>: Okay, let's do it. >>: This is the house. You guys hang here, I'll knock. >>: You must feel kinda nervous, because I'm nervous. >>: I see it in your face. >>: All right, all right, I see it in your face. Maybe you're making me nervous, I don't know. >>: This is gnarly, I've never done anything like this. (knocking on door) >>: Geralyn, Geralyn. (dramatic music) >>: Hey, how you doing? Nev. >>: Geralyn. >>: She's nervous, you can tell. Still not your type? >>: She's a stud. So... >>: Gerlayn, this is Hundra, and this is Machine Gun Kelly. Go ahead. >>: Well first and foremost, you're not Emily. >>: I'm not. I'm sorry. Let me explain, at first it was just a game to me. >>: Yeah, but I came looking for you on the page. It's not like you went after me, I wrote you first. >>: I know, because I was just trying to get my ex mad. >>: Oh, so that's Melanie, right? >>: Yeah. >>: What's that? >>: Melanie. (Nev) Oh, (bleep). Wait let me see that. We're talking about the same Melanie here? Wow, did she get a tattoo? >>: When we were engaged, yeah. (Nev) You guys were engaged? >>: Yeah. (Nev) So you were crazy in love with her, so that must have (bleep) sucked. >>: It did suck. >>: When she was like, "You know what, I think I'm still in love with Max." >>: Yep. >>: For Hundra, this is the first time she's ever really pursued a woman. You knew that? >>: Yep. >>: But I thought that was a turn on though for her. Gays girls who try to convert a straight girl into being straight, so wouldn't that be something you would have wanted under your belt, "I converted not just a regular black girl, but a Haitian girl into becoming gay. That would have been something that you should have wanted on your belt. >>: You're making an assumption. >>: But if I was her, like I don't know. I used to tell her, well Emily, that I loved her, and she used to tell me she loved me back, and then I meet this. >>: This? >>: Don't get me wrong, but you're not Emily or Melanie, or whoever. >>: I know. I'm not Emily. I'm not a femme, I'm me, that's it. >>: Do you have any of the same kind of intensity or feelings for Hundra the way you felt for Melanie? If there's a moment to be totally level with her so that she can make the best decision for her, you've got to do that now. (Geralyn) I got it, yeah. I was just trying to be spiteful, but then I actually started to like you. And then I felt like I was in too deep, and I didn't want to lose you at the same time, but I wanted to say- >>: Yeah, but you have been open to me about a lot of things. >>: I've been real with you, despite the pictures. >>: Well, a lot of it is not true, I mean. >>: And then I sent you money, like where's my money? >>: I never picked it up. I just wanted to see if you was really riding for me or not. >>: How you know I rocked out and really sent you the money? >>: I just took your word for it. >>: Like I've been taking your word for it, okay. >>: From what I'm gathering, she actually started liking you, and I don't think it's some deep, crazy scheme going on. >>: I feel like now it sort of needs to marinate a little bit. You do your thing, and then we meet up again tomorrow and see how it feels starting a fresh day. (Geralyn) Okay. >>: Good to meet you. >>: Thank you. (Machine Gun Kelly) You're being pretty harsh on her. >>: I don't really want that, at all. (Machine Gun Kelly) That's an ignorant way to look at it. (Nev) Oh, man, this is it. >>: I'm so nervous. (Max) Let's do it. (Nev) Don't hold back. (Max) Rip off the bandaid. >>: Let me just scope it out. >>: Okay. >>: I see someone. (Max) Someone's coming. (Nev) How you doing? >>: How you doing? >>: Just so we're clear, you're the person that Carrie has been talking to. >>: Yes. >>: So, I think you should just come out here and then we can sort all of this out. >>: Yeah, man. >>: Come on out here. ♪ >>: This is Carrie. >>: Oh, my (bleep) god! (Terrance) Are you serious? >>: Really, Terrance? ->>: I didn't know it was you. >>: You know this guy? >>: Yeah. (Terrance) Man, this is crazy. >>: How do you know this guy? >>: We dated like 10, 11 years ago. >>: What? >>: This is crazy. >>: This ain't right, that's what it is. >>: It's not right. You catfished me. >>: Well, you catfished him too. >>: Yeah, but still though >>: Hold on, hold on, hold on. So you had a fake profile? >>: Yes. >>: And messaged her fake profile, and it just so happens that you guys actually used to date? >>: Man, that was a long time ago. >>: It was so long ago. >>: Are you serious, man? >>: Oh, my God. >>: Wait, time out. You used to live in St. Louis? >>: I used to live with my mother in St. Louis. >>: I mean, this is a first. >>: This is crazy. It was you the whole time? >>: You guys, this is destiny. >>: No, no. >>: It was a bad, bad relationship. >>: Oh, it was a bad relationship? >>: Yes, it was really bad. While we were together, he had three kids on me. You told me you don't even have any kids. You have a lot of kids. >>: How many kids do you have? >>: I have four. >>: He had all those kids on me. (Max) Really? >>: Yes. >>: He was just an H, O, E. That's all he was. (Max) Tally-ho. >>: Talli-hoe. >>: There you go. >>: How did you make the Talli profile? >>: It wasn't originally me. It was one of my friends. He made the profile. >>: Do I know your friend? >>: Darnell, or? (Sheklia) Darnell? >>: I rather not say his name. >>: Wait, how did the profile start? >>: I had a buddy who was using the profile to get females off of it. >>: So why was he using Talli's picture? >>: That's something I don't know. And I asked him about it, and he was like, "Man, it's just getting me females." So I'm like, "Okay, cool." >>: So you don't know Talli? >>: No, I don't really know him. >>: How long have you been using the account? >>: About a year and a half. >>: And who was using it before you? >>: One of my friends was using it. >>: So it's just like community thing that you just pass on? >>: I just don't understand why you guys like using this profile. Why don't you just make a new one? (Max) Because this one works. >>: So what do you get out of this? >>: I definitely didn't get what I wanted. >>: All right, I need a break. (Sheklia sniffles) >>: So you've already had a relationship with her? You don't want to revisit that? >>: No (Terrance laughs). (Nev) What happened with this guy? >>: And you dated Sheklia for? >>: Four and a half years, man. But if I knew it was her, I'd have been like, "No way." I actually loved Sheklia, but I'd messed things up. It got to the point where I just had to walkaway. >>: This is his life. This is all the females that he's cheated with me, he met them online. I met him online. >>: It ended kind of crazy. It got to the point where she started bleaching clothes. >>: Bleaching clothes? >>: Yes. Taking a knife and ripping up my shoes and stuff. She pretended like she didn't want me to go, but I'm like, "I can't do this." >>: It wasn't just me. There were times I came home, and Sheklia was in the bed with another dude, drunk. I mean, I guess we did it to each other, but man, this is kind of crazy. >>: So you were really in love with this guy? (Max) And what did you like about Carrie? >>: Carrie was more Carrie. She would talk to you, and it ain't no lies, or whatever. It felt like it wasn't lies. I mean, I told her things I wouldn't even tell nobody else. (Nev) I'm gonna go out there. Stay in here as long as you need, and come on out when you're ready. >>: You dated Sheklia for five years? >>: Yeah, five years. (Max) They dated for five years. (Nev sighs) He had kids with other people. >>: It sounds like you did some things that were really messed up, and you really hurt her. >>: Yeah, and I apologized for what happened in the past. I can only apologize for the past. I can't change it. >>: What about now? >>: What about it? You tell me. You're just gonna stand there and keep looking, or you're gonna say something? >>: What is there to say? (Nev) All right, this was pretty weird. Why don't we just see how we feel tomorrow. (Terrance) All right. ♪ >>: So I've just talked with Sami, and she has some stuff she wants to talk about. >>: I know why Faith didn't come around. Faith has been standing in front of you this whole time. I'm Faith. >>: Are you kidding me? >>: No. >>: Why? >>: Because I thought you were gonna cheat on me, so I noticed that you were using IMVU, and I got on there and I started talking to you. And as time went by, I couldn't let it go. (Kristina sniffles) (Kristina) What the (bleep) man? I really don't know to feel about this at all. I feel like I just got kicked in my ribs. >>: So is this you ending things? >>: No, I don't want to end things. >>: You don't wanna end things. >>: No. I want a future with her, and trying to see if she was cheating on me was to see whether or not I have a future or not. But living two lives, I just can't do it anymore. I can't watch her go through this anymore. >>: The one thing I'll say, and this doesn't take away any of the anger and the hurt, it's like, this wasn't someone who (bleep) with you. This wasn't someone getting their rocks off by pretending. The basis of all of this was love and care. >>: Yeah, I mean, I am glad that it's not some random person. >>: Take the time you need. Are you cold? >>: A little bit, yeah >>: We can go inside. >>: Come on in, everybody. >>: Well, I guess now that we're all up to speed. Sami, I have a lot of questions, which means Kristina must have a lot of questions. >>: You knew about everything that was going on. What were your intentions? >>: We've been going through a lot, and I know we've been trying to work it out. I thought you were gonna cheat on me, so I did it because I had to know whether or not to keep pushing for it with you, or not. But talking to you through Faith I could feel the connection, and I wanted it back because our spark was going away, and I didn't want to let it go. >>: I would have loved to reconnect with you as you, not as Faith, but you. >>: Can I ask, if we hadn't gotten this ball rolling, did you kind of have a plan? >>: I wanted to make Faith disappear, and that was what I was trying to do. >>: We came all the way here. Why couldn't you have just said something? >>: I did this because I knew you weren't gonna find anything up here. >>: And so after Faith stood her up, you would be right here to comfort her? >>: Yeah. I wanted you to just walkaway from this girl, and just go home. I wanted you to choose me. >>: How do you feel now, knowing that this connection, that you had with this person, Faith, that meant so much to you, was actually the whole time, Sami? >>: I mean, I feel kind of deceived that I was lied to, but I'm happy that it's not some random person that I was telling everything to. She lied to me, but I lied to her too, so it's not one-sided. >>: I'm curious. Over the course of the seven months that you talked to Kristina as Faith, were you using some sort of text app? >>: Yeah. >>: Would you guys be next to each other talking? >>: No, I did most of it at work. >>: So when you talked on the phone, how did you not recognize her voice? >>: It wasn't me. >>: It didn't sound like her. >>: It wasn't you? >>: No, I had a friend who helped me. >>: Whao! I'm sorry for deceiving you. >>: Look, I'm not mad at you. I know your intentions weren't to hurt me, because I do know that you love me. I see it in your face, and I hear it when you talk to me. And I don't think that you would go through this all if you didn't love me. I'm sorry that I made it seem like we were really distant, and I'm sorry that you had to go through all this. >>: I'm sorry I put you through this. >>: I would love to have you in my life, because you've been here for almost two years, and to me, that's a very, very long time. Nobody's ever put up with my (bleep) for this long. But I don't feel like we should be in a relationship. (sad music) >>: I understand, I do. I guess I'm ready to go home and pack. >>: Are you gonna be okay? Do you have a place to go? Do you have a sort of plan that you can put together? >>: Yeah. >>: Well, this is a fresh start for you, guys. >>: Yeah. ♪ >>: That was hard stuff to say, and you did it. >>: It's been rough playing two lives. >>: The drama is over for both of you. ♪ (Nev) Remy? >>: Yeah. >>: I'm Nev. >>: I'm Elle. >>: How're you doing? (Nev) And this is Angel. >>: Is your real name Remy? >>: No, that's not my real name. >>: What is your name? >>: I don't want to say it. >>: You're really not gonna tell us your name? >>: Nah. >>: Shall we just call you Remy then, I guess? >>: You can call me Remy. >>: You guys already know each other? Oh, okay. (Nev) How much of the story that you told her was true? >>: I mean, really everything, except for who I am. >>: So your girlfriend is a real person? >>: Yeah, I've got a girlfriend for real. >>: Then, why are messing with people on Plenty of Fish? I don't get it. >>: It wasn't for relationship, it was a joke to me. And I made an account to see how long it would take somebody to figure out that it was fake. >>: That's a weird hobby. >>: It was just something to do in my downtime. >>: So I imagine you talk to lots of people? >>: Nah, it was just her. She was the first one to reply. >>: I mean, you guys talked all the time. There had to be something real in that. >>: Nah, it wasn't. >>: Obviously if you have a girlfriend, you're not gonna come on TV and say that you had feelings for her, but I think it's very clear, based on the fact that you were talking as much as you were, that you guys had a relationship. you can tell me whatever you want, but like, you can't pretend for the three months that you guys were talking. It never meant something to you. >>: It really didn't. >>: Yeah, I've heard you say that already, but I don't believe it. >>: I basically talked to you, like I talked to my best friend and I'm telling you things that nobody else knows. Like I gotta go through enough and then for someone to just stay here and tell me that they came to you and it's not funny. >>: I also don't believe that you have no feelings towards her, no offense, you may be a good liar, but I don't think you're that great of an actor. Something is real, I can see you kind of squirming. I know you feel bad. >>: I feel bad a little bit, but not enough for me to stay here and like, apologize and tell her I'm wrong for everything I did. >>: So you wouldn't apologize for that? >>: No. >>: Really? Don't think it's pretty (bleep) up to be like, I wanna help you take care of your baby. I wanna be there. >>: I never took it as like, we're in like a committed relationship. She just wasn't catching on quick enough. >>: Right, but if the game was to mess with people, you would have just moved on. >>: No, it was still, it was interesting to see her come around the house and like not find me like I'll be sitting inside a car somewhere else >>: Where'd you get the D Jackson profile from? >>: Found it on Facebook? >>: You just found some random person? >>: Yeah. >>: You sent her the kid's real profile, a different name, a different Snapchat. He lives in Chicago, I mean like that's a first. >>: It's daring, you sent her the real profile. >>: Oh no, I never really, I didn't take it serious. Like I thought it was funny. >>: What about when you told her that you slept with Mari? >>: I didn't, when I told her Mari texted me and she want to plan to come over like a hookup. I tried to warn Andrew. Mari came on to me, she ended up sending me messages and videos, pictures saying how she wanted me. >>: Really? >>: Yeah, talking about, she want to pull up talking about sex and just like everything. When I tried to warn Angela about it, she didn't wanna believe anything I was saying. >>: But why should we believe you? >>: I mean, I have the messages of her trying to come over alone. Did you want to see the text messages? >>: Yeah. >>: All right, here you go. >>: All right, so- >>: I had to screen grab 'em. >>: Wow, Okay! These texts are pretty flirty and it definitely seems to be pictures of Mari. Did Marie know that you were not the guy in the pictures? >>: Yeah, we faced time before. >>: You showed your face? >>: Yeah, she saw. >>: And she saw you? >>: I set the phone up on my TV and I stood up for a good five minutes. With your face in the camera? >>: Yeah. >>: Wow! >>: I thought it was something fishy of them talking at four o'clock in the morning. >>: Yeah, we talked almost every night saying how she was going to do sexual acts to me. >>: Clearly we have some stuff to address with Mari but it's important for you to know that you've really hurt her. >>: Now, I realize it. >>: You've created a lot of heartache and damage in her life. And that's (bleep) up. what made you change your mind about coming and meeting up today? Once in a lifetime. >>: Okay, I think that's it. That your part of this story I think is over. >>: All right. (sobs) >>: It sucks to feel like we came here and that it's not over yet, but at least you can cut him out of your life. ♪ I must server this ties ♪ >>: Do you wanna text Mari and see if we can meet up there? >>: Yeah, that's fine. >>: All right. >>: Angel, do you want to talk just you and me? >>: Yeah, okay >>: Yeah why don't you guys just talk a little bit? >>: Okay, it's just us. >>: I'm just really upset. >>: He was a Dick, I really didn't believe most of what he said, nobody devotes all their time like that and has those long conversations. If he doesn't care, he had to have cared somewhere but it doesn't matter. It really doesn't, you know, it's not about him anymore. >>: Yeah right now, I'm worried about Mari. >>: I guess if her sister's with her and thinks she can convince her to come it's worth a try. >>: Yeah. >>: I think the issue is her boyfriend. I don't know if he knows about you or the show. >>: He's probably talking to Leah and Leah's being stubborn right now. >>: This is the best chance we're gonna get is her sister. >>: She doesn't even need to answer any questions. Just show up, anything would be better than nothing. >>: Whoa! Coming around the block and going to pull up in about three minutes. >>: Okay. >>: Who is? Jasmine? >>: Jasmine wrote that. >>: Is this her here? Is that her? >>: Yeah >>: Is that her? >>: Is that her? >>: Yeah. >>: Is that's her? >>: Hey? >>: Hi? >>: Hi, I'm Jasmine. >>: How's it going?, I'm Mathan. >>: So good to meet you. >>: Good to meet you too. >>: I couldn't get her to come. She chose to stay there with her boyfriend. They thought that that was the right decision. So I'm sorry. >>: Is she's seeing all our messages? Is she just? >>: Yeah. >>: Okay. >>: Yeah, she is, it's hard for her to leave and then have to go back. I think that's the. >>: To explain it to him. >>: Yeah, right. >>: But so he just doesn't know anything? >>: Oh no, he knows. >>: He does know? >>: Yeah, he knows and he doesn't like it. I think it's a jealousy issue. So he doesn't want her to go. I don't know much about him. I've only met him a couple times, so I can't speak to his character, but so I'm sorry. >>: Thanks for trying. >>: Yeah. >>: I try, yeah, I did she wasn't budging. >>: Well, I appreciate it, nice to have met you. >>: Yeah, it's good to meet you. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: You too. >>: Thanks for coming. >>: I guess that's it? Unless there's any, I mean, you have any other questions? I mean, cause this is the closest you're gonna get. >>: If you wanna know anything. >>: I'm good, yeah. >>: All right. >>: As her older sister, I am sorry on her behalf, yeah. >>: All right, well it's cold and late. So why don't, we all just call it, nice to meet you. >>: You too. >>: Thanks Jasmine. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: Thanks, you guys. >>: Thank you. >>: Thank you. >>: Yeah. >>: For all these years, it's the first time we didn't get our girl. Sorry, I guess that's it. >>: So, (bleep) up. (sighs) >>: You can send her a message and say like, look, we're here, we did everything we could. ♪ I watch the wind running through the trees ♪ >>: Nice message man. (sobs) >>: You all right? >>: Yeah. ♪ I wish that I could move so wild and so free ♪ >>: Could you read that for us then. >>: Yeah, Leah, this'll be the last message I'll ever send you, I want you to know that I am very upset and hurt about this whole situation and never been so disappointed in here, in our entire friendship you've made me promises left me hanging and lied to me multiple times. And I still forgave you, but this time I'm completely done for good. Please, don't try to contact me after this message because I will not respond. Just know that I'll always love you and hope the best for you, Mathan. ♪ Sometimes you need to run to remember you were young ♪ >>: That's really big of you I think you're doing the right thing Mathan. >>: Always tough to let go though. >>: Yeah. >>: Are you ready to go home? >>: Yeah, let's do it. ♪ I need to run ♪ >>: I Just need to move on. >>: Why don't you come on back. >>: There, goes nothing, right there. (bright upbeat music) (chuckles) >>: What's your name? >>: Sha'quan. >>: Sha'quan? >>: Hi. >>: Devin. >>: What's up? >>: Apparently you guys, know each other >>: We know each other. >>: So y'all know each other? >>: And were you guys friends or? >>: We were friends, yeah. >>: Did anything ever happen? >>: Occasionally. >>: Oh, okay. >>: Did you know he lives here? >>: Yeah. >>: You mentioned that you have one friend who lived in Vi- This is your that friend? >>: Yes. >>: That's crazy. >>: So when did you guys last see each other? >>: Last time I came out to Vegas. >>: August. >>: All right, so hold on a second. here's what I don't understand. You guys had a physical relationship. >>: Why would you have a fake identity? >>: I wanted to see how he was doing. But every time I tried to talk to him he doesn't respond. >>: Is that true? >>: Yeah, I just, yeah. >>: You never really thought that it was a relationship there between, gotcha. >>: No. >>: Did you ever make it clear kind of where you were at with things? >>: I mean, if I don't text you back, why wouldn't that give him that hint. You can't just beat a dead horse, it's already dead. It's fucked up. >>: What if the horse is dead? Everybody can say the horse is dead. sounds like Sha'quan is saying he never got the scoop, that the horse was dead. (laughs) >>: I'm sorry, I can't I'm tired of this (bleep). >>: Tell us then in your own words, what was the plan? >>: Well, I texted him to hang out as James and then if he came to Vegas, >>: Oh, wait a second. So you thought I'll make a profile as this guy, James I'll invite him to come meet me in Vegas. And then when he gets here and James doesn't show up, he'll text you because he knows you live here and you'll just sort of come to the rescue. >>: Yeah. >>: You had a plan though, he did have a plan. >>: I gotta tell you that is actually a decent plan. >>: Hey, if it wasn't wrong, I would come down for you bro. >>: But its messed up, really messed up. >>: You thought about some staff at least. >>: So then wait a second, >>: Damn bro. >>: When you made the profile why did you choose that guy Gary? >>: Someone you've actually met? >>: Did we get the nudes? >>: Yeah. >>: Wow! >>: Do you know that Devin follows that guy on Instagram? >>: So it was just a total coincidence that you picked the picture of a guy that Devin actually follows on Instagram. >>: That's crazy. >>: That shouldn't matter. >>: What you did, wasn't cool. And you shouldn't have lied. >>: I understand that. >>: At the same time like he likes you and he got a chance to show you a side of him that maybe you would not have otherwise have seen that you really liked. >>: That's fine and everything, but I'm just not into him enough to be in a relationship with him. That's it, but any right person would understand that way before now. >>: But you've been physical with him, so I can see how it could be a little confusing. >>: Then you don't say anything, I don't know anything. >>: Still a lot to take in all at once. >>: Right. >>: To kind of collect your thoughts. >>: Why don't we take a little break? We could meet back up in a little while and see if there's some resolution. >>: That's fine. >>: Okay, I'll walk you out. What were you expecting? What happened? >>: I thought he would be upset, but not that upset. >>: Did you ever get the impression that he did really like you? >>: Yeah. >>: Well, I feel like you should, have like said that. >>: I get really nervous around him sometimes. >>: All right, well you deserve some kind of clarity I say. >>: What is it? Is it his personality? Is it the way he looks? He kind of needs a closure as well. >>: It wasn't personality, that wasn't the problem. I'm just not, just not attracted to him. What else do you want me to say? >>: Right, I'm just thinking, not attracted to you, but I did things that I do with people I'm attracted to. >>: Okay. >>: So that could confusing. >>: You could be attracted to a hooker, but that don't mean you love her. (knocks door) (bright upbeat music) >>: Hello? Hi. >>: Hi. >>: I'm Nev. >>: I'm very nervous. >>: It's all right >>: She's out there. >>: She's out here, say hello. >>: Okay. >>: Hi. I wanna hug you. >>: You're so friendly. (laughs) >>: How are you? >>: A little anxious and nervous, but I'm better. >>: Absolutely, also the same for me. (laughs) >>: Okay, well. >>: Hi. >>: Yeah this is Al, and I'm Nev >>: Alice pleased to meet you, again. Nice to meet you. >>: We're glad to be here, but also I think curious and somewhat confused. >>: I'm also a little confused and like, I didn't wanna do this. I was concerned that she called you in the first place. Cause I was like you talk to somebody and then they don't trust who you are. It's made me feel anxious. >>: I get that, it wasn't that I didn't trust you, but. >>: You wanted to makes sure that. >>: Yeah, you're a real before I gave you all of my heart. >>: It's just like hurt my feelings a little bit. >>: Okay, I'm just gonna jump in. So then where does it come in that you aren't able to video chat? >>: I just didn't think there was that much of a lack of faith in me. I didn't think that it was like, she needed to verify who I was over FaceTime. I thought she just wanted to, so it was low urgency for me. >>: Sure >>: You know what I mean? When I'm talking to a person, I would really just rather talk instead of focusing on how I look. >>: I Completely understand, I'm not trying to blame you. I understand your anxiety over all this. >>: But just like one little video or something? >>: I'm not trying to defend her on this side. But I kind of do you understand? Cause we live in completely different time zones. >>: You guys, two hours. >>: Two hours difference though. >>: Two hours (chuckles). >>: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I've just never been like, we don't even talk on the phone. >>: Why did you block her on Facebook? I got incredibly anxious about this whole thing. Like I have my own anxieties as well. >>: Yeah sure. >>: And I just felt like all of this didn't mean as much because of the fact that she didn't trust who I was. >>: We spoke to your friend Maddy >>: Yeah. >>: And asked her if the phone number that Nick has for you is the same number she has for you and she said, it's not. >>: Yeah, I have two phone numbers, so one for like the people that I know in real life and one for the people that I meet on roleplay, it helps me keep things organized. >>: Okay, well I have other questions, but at the same time, I like don't wanna front load this. You guys just met. >>: Yeah. >>: Yeah. >>: So maybe we should just like kind of check in. So if you guys could go talk, we could talk just for a minute and just kind of like go over stuff. >>: Got you. >>: Cool. So I'll go sit with you over here. >>: Okay how do you feel? >>: A lot better. >>: You feel a lot better? >>: Yeah, I'm kind of like mostly satisfied with the answer she had to the question cause I kind of do understand most of them. >>: Yeah, but I just, can I be totally honest with you? >>: Yeah. >>: It just feels (bleep) weird. Yeah, it's exciting, she's her, she's real. She's nice, you know, but at the same time, I mean, you wrote to the show because there's a whole year where she spent kind of avoiding being real with you. And now that we're here, it's just like, Oh yeah. Just water thew bridge and nothing never happened, I'm sensing something, that's not genuine. >>: What do you think? >>: (laughs) It's okay, it's she's really sweet. I just I'm like, I was very nervous, you know? >>: What has been your impression of this relationship? >>: I love her, I think she's like we, I used to be romantically interested in her and we used to flirt a lot and then I stopped feeling that way and without addressing it really, I just kind of thought it was mutual because our relationship with princess and everything. >>: Well, at least from what Nick told us, she has very strong feelings for you. >>: Yeah, when I was saying, I don't feel like TV is the best place for this. I meant it's probably not the best place for me to tell her that like I don't have romantic feelings. >>: Right, I just think it'd be helpful for her. If you were very clear. >>: Remember this whole thing Nick, this is for you. This is your time to question, what were her intentions? >>: There are still some things like one end needs to know. >>: Yeah, should I go ask her to talk to you? >>: Yeah. (bright upbeat music) >>: There's a couple of question she wanted to ask you. Do you wanna go talk to her? >>: Yeah, that would be fine. (bright upbeat music) >>: Can I come in? >>: Yeah. >>: What did you guys talk about? >>: She was attracted physically to Nick at the beginning, but then she felt like it just sort of turned into a friendship and the main reason she didn't want to come on the show. Is she didn't wanna have to tell Nick, you know to her face, like, hey, I'm not into you. >>: I've been asking you constantly to come down at Texas, but you denying each time made me feel like you didn't wanna see me. >>: I definitely wanted to see you. It's just because of your relationship with princess, I thought it wouldn't hurt your feelings. If I didn't make it down to Texas, I didn't know you were actively seeking other romantic polyamorous relationships. I just didn't think that it was as big of an issue as it was, I should have listened to what you were saying and actually taken what you were saying to heart. >>: I do want to eventually come to California for school if your still in the area, would you wanna be in an actual relationship with me? >>: I don't think that's what I'm looking for. But you know, there's so much possible in a few years, you know, you're not gonna come down for a while so. >>: Yeah. I actually feel a little bit better there's still some time left. ♪ Its safe to say, it's been a hard year ♪ >>: How'd it go? >>: We did get a lot of things cleared up, possibly in the future. If I'm able to come down to California there's a possibility for a romantic relationship. >>: Really? >>: Yeah. ♪ Though it's not easy to see ♪ >>: Well do you wanna just leave it for the moment and we can come back-- >>: Later or tomorrow? >>: Yeah. >>: Yeah. >>: Okay bye. >>: I feel like today did not go as well as it could have, a lot of what I said was being misinterpreted and I didn't really correct her because I didn't want to embarrass her. In retrospect, I should have made things clearer. Hopefully it'll be better tomorrow. >>: She said she'd come outside to meet us, there she is. >>: Hey! >>: how are you? >>: It's good, good to see you. >>: I know good to see you too. >>: So what's up? I'm Nev, obviously we just met. This is Kamie. >>: I'm Kamie. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: Nice to meet you, Adriana, >>: Here we are, we have a lot of questions. We spoke to Alicia and she told us that it was actually her that had been communicating with Kaden for the past few months sort of pretending to be you. Is that true? >>: Yeah. Alicia saw your Instagram through. She has access to my feed number one, we, my best friends, I mean, it's not. >>: She has access to your account. >>: Yeah and then she saw your feed through there and was like, he's really cute. And then she asked me about you. And then I told her who you were and that your on a cruise. She messaged you without my knowledge. I didn't know that it got to the extent that it did. She let me know that it happened. And when she did, it was like, she downplayed it a lot. She was like, oh, it was like only a one time thing. I was just trying to like, I don't know, see if the vibe was there. And I was like, oh, okay, it looks like a little odd, but I mean, she's like, I'm just feeling it out. You know, just, I don't know, she thought you were cute. So I was like, this is my friend. I guess I'll just support it. I didn't know that she was doing it so frequently. >>: How could you not tell me? I mean, how long have I been talking to Alicia? It's been on and off. >>: So when Alicia asked you about Kaden, you said you guys weren't good friends? >>: Yeah. >>: So for all these years, that's the extent of how you feel or do you feel more than that? >>: No, we're good friends, yeah. >>: I mean, we were very young when we met and we only spent like maybe, I don't know, not even like a full day together. So it was, we didn't really know each other enough for me to actually like have feelings or feel any type of way. >>: To him sort of felt like, could be the beginning of a young romance. He said, you guys, like, I know this sounds corny to say, but like, held hands. >>: I have no recollection of holding hands or being affectionate in any way. >>: So you didn't feel sparks. >>: I didn't. >>: Does that sound honest? I mean, I'm not saying you're liar. I'm just like, for all these years you had no idea that he had feelings for you. I don't know if, is that, is he blowing this out out of proportion or are you trying to downplay it the way he tells the story he's like super into you and. >>: That's not, I didn't pick up on it. I mean every once in a while there was lighthearted flirtatious messages, but I mean, I feel like I didn't reciprocate. I don't know if that is, can you acknowledge that? >>: Kind of. >>: Yeah. >>: Yeah I mean. >>: But I've gotta say beyond all that, to me, it's odd to just have friends, you know, taking over your social media accounts and talking to people on your behalf, especially, you know, considering your page and your following. I would think that you wouldn't want somebody who's potentially having conversations outside of your knowledge with other people. >>: I guess it's just, I think it's just the trust factor. >>: I mean, look, after all these years, it feels a little weird to me that you wouldn't be a bit more empathetic to Kaden knowing that like, you know, this relationship maybe meant a little bit more to him, but that also for the past few months, like has been sort of falsely perpetuated by your friend through your account with your knowledge, like. >>: No, I definitely, I do apologize for whatever she hits up. >>: Why didn't you say something to him? Why didn't you like clear it up? >>: Alicia's more of a friend to me and I felt like my that's where loyalty lies. >>: Do you have a boyfriend? >>: I do. >>: Is it Michael? >>: Michael, yeah. >>: How long have you guys been together? >>: We're going on seven months, you know a little bit. >>: What do you think the chances are that we can talk to Alicia cause we've been trying to. >>: Oh, really? I can definitely hit her up >>: Okay, that'd be great. >>: I should probably get back to work, okay bye. >>: Thanks. >>: Nice to meet you. >>: See you. >>: Just feels very. >>: Cold, there's just a way that you handle people. >>: Yeah. >>: On an empathetic level. >>: Right? >>: That she just didn't give a (bleep) about. >>: I feel like she would've come out and be like, Oh my God! I'm so sorry. >>: She just brushed that off her shoulder. Like it was nothing and I mean three years, four years. I don't know how that can turn into nothing. >>: It's all a little weird. All right, why don't we get back? >>: All right. >>: Back in the car. ♪ I tried to feel it inside ♪ ♪ But the fire that we had's all gone ♪ >>: See you later Adriana. >>: Are you okay, Kaden? >>: I'll survive. ♪ It's over ♪ >>: It's that I got some stuff to say to this other chick. >>: Oh, we got a text from Alicia. >>: What's it say? >>: Hey Nev Adriana just called me. I'm ready to put an end to all of this. Meet me at this park and we'll talk. And there's a link to where we're supposed to meet her. Hopefully she shows up. >>: I really don't have like a lot to say to Alicia that I'm like, what the (bleep). >>: I mean, on one hand it's like flattering. She thought you were cute. >>: Yeah I get it. >>: On the other hand, it's like. >>: The other hand, that's definitely not how you'd go about it. >>: We're here. >>: I think its actually like kind of a beach. >>: Wow! Look at that. >>: Okay, let's do this. >>: See anybody that looks like an Alicia? >>: No, see anybody, do you guys see anybody? >>: Is that her? >>: Its like an older person? >>: Yeah. >>: I don't see the tattoos. >>: Yeah. >>: There's a car, looks like Adriana. >>: What is this? >>: Are we gonna get jumped?

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