Lawyers, Who Was The Dumbest Person You Had To Defend?

lawyers of reddit what's the worst way you've seen a person screw over someone else in court whether it be criminal civil or divorce proceedings not a lawyer but happened to me and some buddies in college so a group of friends and i rented a five-bedroom house in college and being the group of guys we were partied pretty hard and were really rough on the house we knew going in we were not getting our deposit back well partway though living there the septic started to have some problems whenever someone used the downstairs shower it would rain slowly i.e slowly fill as you used it also one of the rooms carpet would get wet so we emailed the property service company to fix it two weeks later they send out a plumber to sneak the line and leave well that didn't fix it so we emailed again two three weeks plumber snake leave still not fixed email and two three weeks and they scoped the line turns out roots had grown into the line so they had to do a big old process to completely remove all the roots now it's fixed well we all move out go or separate ways one of my buddies goes to australia for nine months when he gets back he comes home to a bunch of voicemails turns out the property company is coming after us for like 5 000 on top of the deposit they tried to pressure him into either paying the money or he would be taken to court he told them he would see them in court for the couple months leading up to the court date he will get calls telling him to pay and it would all go away all day before the first day of court they call him and tell him to pay 2k and give them info for one of the other people on the original lease he says go to heck and see you in court first day of court is just to make sure everyone chosen to schedule the actual case lawyer for the property company shows up is scrambling to figure out what is going on had no records beyond the original lease which changed a couple times as people moved in and out my buddy helps him out by giving him copies of the multiple emails that we sent to get them to fix the septic and the damage it did to the house told my buddy he would let us know how they wanted to proceed never heard from the company again someone i knew had a pro do case where she had to defend a person who had been charged with a criminal offense don't know what confidential and whatnot even though the police under could pretty much pinpoint the crime to her client there was no evidence to tie him to the crime circumstantial at best she had instructed him to shut up and let her do the talking during the trial as from experience the client sometimes does not know how to answer a question properly she pleads and can show that the court has nothing on her client she feels that for once a proteo case is going her way after her plea the judge thanks her for her plea and turns to her client he asks if the client had something to the plea client looks at her back at the judge tears well up in his eyes and he blurts out i'm so sorry i'll never do it again she threw her notes and everything else she had in her hands at the client now convict apparently she basically got screwed by her own client who screwed himself even worse pro dio is the old term in our jurisdiction same connotation as pro bono this ain't my first prodio well not my story but a prior boss's story they had a drunk driver kills a car worth of people case at the time when they were a general practitioner my boss was representing the family that got hit one where the two kids and the wife had died but the father had not and wanted the college guys drunk driving skin to be mounted on a wall this was back before facebook was commonly used in court proceedings and before tons of people realized that crap is too great for any attorney worth their weight and soul to pass up so the kid drunk driving college kid had managed to get the judge's sympathy during the first part of the hearing by saying he was sorry haunted never going to drink again this was going to ruin his life etc the judge seemed to really be eating it up then comes my boss and immediately burns this kid's remorse to the ground by showing numerous facebook statuses and photos of them binge drinking partying and even joking about driving drunk from the date of the accident up until a night ago the kid looked like he was being forced to swallow hot coals and the judge was absolutely livid needless to say the kid had to do way more than just apologize and be remorseful after that here's kind of an anti-story for balance my marriage with my ex-wife fell apart a while back and she probably cheated on me and i probably drank too much to be a good husband and we argued and separated it could have gotten messy at this point if either of us decided to be vindictive but at this point we knew it was over and our main priority was the kids custody was never an issue because the older kids could choose where they wanted to stay at any given time they chose to stay with me most of the time and although we arranged a timetable for the younger kids they could come and go as they pleased if they were staying with friends in the neighborhood etc child support was also not an issue as i'm not a dong and i'm happy to pay my share towards giving them a decent life i don't count what it costs when they're with me and i pay half towards school costs clothes outings etc on the morning of the divorce proceedings we met for coffee before going before the judge the judge proceeded to ask us what contracts we had signed for the mortgage custody child support etc and we just said none we had it worked out the judge was incredulous and asked several times are you sure this is highly irregular we still have occasional arguments on the details that we have to work out as adults but yeah tomorrow i might get in from work to find one of the younger kids in front of the tv in an unscheduled visit or i might get a text for half the cost of a school outing next week and that's all fine by me honestly this is incredible really refreshing after this really sad thread i was litigating a custody dispute on behalf of the mother in an incredibly conservative jurisdiction one of the most common ways to get custody was to allege frick or pee addiction because the threshold for it was basically non-existent for this hearing however we lucked out with the judge who i knew from other cases opposing council tried to gotcha me into settling before the hearing by showing me surprise obscene texts between mom and her new boyfriend this is of course not law and order and you can't introduce surprise evidence but so we go through with the hearing i object to the obscene texts but say i would allow them to be ready into the record in their entirety so the uptight very conservative local attorney gets to spend the next 25 minutes or so reading obscene texts in open court occasionally asking if she could gloss over parts but no i didn't feel it would be appropriate i'll never forget hearing her struggle with the word nipple it's not even a dirty word but this was like the third hearing we had to amend custody because this guy felt his ex-wife having a boyfriend meant she was a freak addict they allege the obscene texts happened while the kid was in mom's custody but they based that on the time stamp of the screenshots the time stamp on the texts was clearly at a time when the kid was not even around and mom was safe to get freaky over the phone the judge had heard enough of his balls and awarded attorneys fees and put in the order consistent with the vexatious litigant statute that if dad would continue to be liable for her attorney's fees if he kept pushing this crap it was the only joy i got from practicing family law not a lawyer but i sat on the jury of a man who was accused of molesting his ten-year-old niece he elected to testify in his own defense and his defense was i did it but it was her idea it was his third felony strike so he will be spending with luck the rest of his life in prison not a lawyer but this story always gets me my biological grandmother died 20 years ago of ovarian cancer she left all her money trusts bonds to my grandfather to use while alive and disperse after death my grandfather remarried something like 15 years ago to my step-grandma my grandfather ended up dying first a few years back my step-aunt is a greedy bee who lives on the opposite side of the country she's lived off of her mother and my grandfather for all of her life she'd come over and take them on vacation where she'd use their money to buy herself things and get a free skiing trip about 8x a year after my grandfather passed my step-grandma had to move where her children live to get care for dementia my step aunt has access to not only her own mother's estate but my grandfather's as well to take care of her needs that wasn't enough she decided to try and sue my dad and uncle for their dead biological mother's estate my dad is bilaterally paralyzed and in a wheelchair my uncle is a triple bypass survivor with a pacemaker and multiple stints both are on fixed disability income the court date came and i literally wheeled my dad and while my uncle walked with a cane my step aunt is entirely able-bodied and rolling in the millions my step-grandma and grandfather worked their whole lives to learn the judge took one look at the whole picture and she was absolutely denied access to my biological grandmother's estate we were there for less than an hour dog absolutely frick your aunt not caught the live pd traffic stop i was watching and the guy told the officer i have caffeine pills in my back pocket gets them out puts them on the hood everyone's chill dude then comes clean and says it's molly and the officers look at each other and go do we even have a test kit for that other officer says no dude's face just shows he should have kept his mouth shut i was a very new lawyer with no bankruptcy experience a partner sent me to bankruptcy court to try to make a claim as a creditor related to a 50 million building that was being sold time and lack of knowledge will prevent me from accurately describing everything that went down but i will do my best the court handled my client's claim very quickly and easily at first the court ruled we were not a creditor because our claim was against a tenant which was correct note we had purchased a claim from someone merely to try to somehow wedge our way into buying the property which was very transparent to the court so i could just set back for the remainder of the hearing and watch the two premier bankruptcy attorneys go at it one represented the debtor and the owner of the building the other represented a secured creditor with a lien against the building they absolutely hated each other on a personal level and were arguing with great venom about the plan to sell the real estate there was a small break in the action while the judge took care of another matter when we came back the secured creditor attorney told the court the following one his client the creditor had purchased controlling interest in the debtor the owner of the building two he had been directed to fire the other attorney three he had been directed to withdraw the motion to sell the real estate for he then did both there in the courtroom i have practiced for almost three decades it was the most bad bust thing i had ever seen and was particularly noteworthy because the courtroom was packed with other attorneys watching and those two attorneys absolutely hated each other not a lawyer but this happened to my family my husband's kids asked us to fight for full custody after years of systematic abuse from their mom my stepdaughter was physically shamed and assaulted and mom decided to marry a guy who was best friends with the guy who assaulted her mom never told us what happened never got her counseling never reported it to the police in mediation she brought up a conversation i had with her which she denied ever happening until then she started saying lie after lie and all my husband had to say was my wife had that conversation with you to explain how uncomfortable my daughter is living with this man because he is connected to her sexual assault the mediator was not amused she said you have someone living in your house who is connected to your daughter's assault your relationship with your children is broken she spent the rest of the session sobbing and signed away custody because this was just the tip of the iceberg that we had on her and she knew it hearing her sobbing made me so happy after all she put these kids through i had to walk my step-daughter into the police station to report her physically shaming and assault i usually don't want people to suffer but after warning her this guy was coming between her and her kids and then her lying about the context of that conversation ill make an exception i tried to stop her from the chain of events that led us to court and she tried to use it against me it's so sad that adults will put other people before their own children are disgusts me good on you guys for getting the kids and that poor girl out of that environment not someone else but himself the guy and his lawyer missed court appearances sometimes one of them sometimes both with little or no warning and with suspect excuses it started getting ridiculous and we kept pointing out holes in his story like he said he left for another country without knowing about the appearance but his lawyer stood in court and said he told him beforehand or all of a sudden he was in a former soviet bloc country for fertility treatments and it would ruin everything if he came back now or when he was visiting dying relatives on another continent or he was going to the airport when he had to rush to the hospital and showed us an admitting form in another language that we translated it showed he was there but also that he was discharged he also tried firing his attorney and saying he needed more time to brief a new attorney who at the next appearance would say he hasn't been able to talk to his client so he needs to adjourn all that he hasn't been paid and his client is basically in but and he needs to be relieved we kept saying to the judge he was doing it to stall but the judge kept giving him the benefit of the doubt we even showed him other cases where he skipped appearances and the judge's threat and sanctions until finally he didn't show up for an appearance where the judge had specifically told him i don't care if you're meeting with the pope i'm ordering you to be here boom his answer was stricken default judgment and full was granted to our side neither he nor his lawyer showed up for the hearing where the judge determined exactly how much of a judgment we should get and then had the nerve to file a motion that the judgment was unfair because he didn't get a chance to dispute anything i remember when i was a kid my dad got a ticket for running a stop sign he decided to fight her because the stop sign was buried in a bush and wasn't visible from the road he and the police officer that had issued the ticket both arrived to court at the appointed time that the judge wasn't there after they waited for about 20 minutes the bailiff finally apologized and told them they could go home and things would be rescheduled just after they had left the judge finally arrived and found both my dad and the police officer in contempt for leaving and wasting her time one eighty dollars traffic ticket became 2.500 contempt of court fines about five years later a friend of mine pulled the same judge for a dui prescription not booze he didn't realize he shouldn't be driving on them he just went without any counsel he said that she said if he was stupid enough to try to represent himself he could sit there and not say anything so he ended up just sitting there and not saying anything and lost his license for a first offense dui there were more than one news article and letters to the editor about what a disaster of a judge she was so i'm sure a lot of other people had similar issues with her not a lawyer but my personal story when i was four i had three older siblings my brothers were 10 and 13 my sister was seven my dad was fighting for custody of all of us as we currently only spent weekends at his but during that time we would all complain about what bad things would happen during the week with our mother ultimately the judge ruled that the kids were old enough to decide where they wanted to be my sister would make my choice for me my mum knew for a fact she would lose all of us this way she was aware all of us preferred our dad it's at this point she stands up in court and says you can have all of them but me isn't even yours so you can't have her my entire family were there nobody had any idea why she would say such a thing a lot of people are crying and my dad is in a state of shock because of this the judge orders a dna test to be done but either way the kids still get to choose at the next court date as his name is present on all of our birth certificates i guess she forgot that day the judge gives this extra time due to the state my dad is in just in case this changes anything for him and whether he will still want custody of me under these new circumstances now it should be noted that my mom was not fond of any of us especially the boys to which she already knew they were a lost cause but she would no longer receive benefits or money from my dad so she needed some kids around at least she took this time to convince my sister that with her brother's gone she would be able to afford all of the things she wanted ice cream toys later bedtimes you name it my brothers chose my dad my sister chose my mum i had a pretty rough upbringing because of her decision and to this day she regrets it she was never treated differently no treats no toys it turns out my mum wasn't lying though he wasn't my biological father according to my family this was a huge weight on him for a very long time he remained an incredible father in my life but sometimes something would happen that would cause an odd or upsetting reaction out of him and that's the sole reason why it really changed his and my life i'm sorry if any of the terms i used were incorrect not a lawyer after all that's fricked up i'm sorry you had to deal with that i have been in dispute with british gas for around 10 years every now and again they take me to court every time i win and we go away for another few years the last time i loyaled up it's in a magistrates even though it's a civil matter my solicitor waited for the british gas guy to swear his oath to tell the truth the whole truth etc then asked him what he knew of the previous court cases when the guy said he didn't know anything about them my solicitor ripped into him saying he just claimed to tell the whole truth so clearly nothing he says can be trusted it went on for a few minutes it was kind of brutal the magistrates agreed and we walked away with 600 pounds in costs it was a joy to watch this bloke who was all we are coming to make entry to your house and the police will help before we went in be told to sit down and not say anything else unless he was asked a question to fend off some of the questions it's to do with a disconnected meter at my house for electric to a closed shop i have written to the ceo i've had my mp involved and been to court four times british gas don't change don't listen so i've given up i'll just go to court every now and again and claim my 600 pounds i just remembered they had to transfer the money electronically as we were going to send the bailiffs and as they took 27 days to pay tbhi was a little disappointed when they paid up bg took my grandparents to court for non-payment of bills my grandparents owned their house from new never had mains gas everything was electric including the heating there was no connection no meter no nothing having tried to explain this calmly a few times on receipt of early bills my grandad quite enjoyed his day in court not a lawyer but i was a jury foreman on a case about five years back guy was accused of attempting to kill his girlfriend various charges up and down the severity were filed however victims testimony wasn't terribly convincing especially after cross and there was only evidence that something had happened in the house that night but not necessarily that the bf had done it anyway defenses turned to present and they unexpectedly recess for the day we come back the next day and the defendant testifies he puts himself at the scene and admits to hitting her we ended up convicting him of everything but attempted murder if i remember right afterwards the judge came into the jury room and told us that the unexpected recess the previous day was because a defendant insisted on testifying against his lawyer and the judge's advice if he hadn't testified basically no chance we would have convicted him play stupid games win stupid prizes ian albert my parents got divorced a few years ago tl dr at the bottom short as possible backstory my dad's a narcissistic prick who emotionally abused us all growing up mum was a sam until i turned 16 and entered the workforce at minimum wage worked up to management dad worked a trade job at an auto company making three 4x as much as her in the six figures at the beginning of proceedings she tried to settle early on she basically wanted enough to cover healthcare because that was her biggest worry financially he basically wanted to give her nothing things got very nasty he hired a horrible cu next tuesday of a lawyer who would constantly insult my mother to her face this pushed mom to ask for much much more than she originally wanted dad was told by his lawyer mom wouldn't get a penny after a year of battle judge hand down final judgement dad has to pay 1500 a month three days after judgement my younger sister is a dad's house mom picks her up asks why he hasn't gone to work yet sister goes in to check on him she finds him barely breathing with vomit all over he had acetaminophen poisoning there was an empty bottle of hydrocodone acetaminophen and another big bottle of tylenol on his nightstand the doctors said there was no way to be 100 how much he had taken because he went to bed early and my sister hadn't seen him for over 12 hours but with the amount still in his blood in the degree of organ failure they could say with 70 sure it was an intentional overdose he did all of this before putting his brand new car in his name alone and before any other payments to mom went through besides splitting the sale of our house and now you're probably thinking there's no way a person could attempt suicide only out of spite but there was no note or anything but when fighting with his sisters over who would make his medical and financial decisions which is a whole other story we found out he wrote his sister a check for 75 000 with a note saying don't let the girls have this meaning my mom and sisters ford is still going after my mother for the car payments the county administrator edit a judge decided to put a third party in charge of all decisions concerning him since it was contested waited nearly two years before letting it get repossessed her credit was tanked my sister who was only 16 at the time is still dealing with ptsd from finding him and this wall of text was just a short version but my dad is still living with the side effects it's basically like he had a very bad stroke he's in an assisted living facility and none of his kids have anything to do with him anymore tl dr attempted suicide to get out of alimony payments is the worst thing i've seen someone do to screw someone else over in court if you are new to the channel you can subscribe i publish new videos every day until then check another video bye for now

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Published: Sat Aug 15 2020