after you and your wife
received shocking results in this courtroom surrounding
your daughter's paternity, <i> you return home and realize
you have good reason</i> to doubt your son,
Keith's paternity. And now your marriage
is on the rocks? Yes, Your Honor. Ms. McCrory, you claim
your daughter's result surprised you
but you're confident your husband fathered
your three-year-old son, and you hope to prove it
today, is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. In your
court papers it says you all broke up
for a few days around Keith's conception,
is that true? Yes. Yes, Your Honor. You did? KEITH: Yes. And so during that
break-up, Ms. McCrory, did you sleep
with anyone else? Were you intimate
with anyone else? Yes, I was. Did you use
protection? No. Had you ever told
Mr. McCrory about this? ROSE: No, I didn't.
Because I... JUDGE LAKE: You didn't? Because I
see it as that why would I have to tell him
if we're not together? So you felt, like,
"We're broken up..." ROSE: It's my business. But when you
get pregnant... The bed wasn't even,
like, cold, like, it was... We had just broke up,
like, I mean, if me, her, you know,
if something happens... ROSE: No. ...to her and she
dies today, I'm not gonna have a new woman
in the bed three days later because, you know, till death
do us part, you know? (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) So the thing was,
I couldn't get a hold of her. I called her and I,
for two days, she ignored me, finally,
I get a hold of her and she... There's a guy
in the background, and she's claiming
it's her brother but the whole time
we're together, he never comes over,
and he lives two blocks away. And then when I say that
to her, she's like, "Oh, my friends are here.
I got to go, you know, "we're just chilling,
blah, blah, blah." JUDGE LAKE: Interesting. So while you're taking that
break or you're broken up, you admittedly slept
with someone else? Yes, I did. Without protection? Yes. JUDGE LAKE:
And... But during the pregnancy
with Keith Jr., you never told him
even after the birth? No, because
I was just 1,000%... KEITH: She's a liar. ...know that's
his child right there. That's his kid,
it's gonna come back. It's gonna come back,
it's his child. You can tell, look at... JUDGE LAKE:
And so you just felt like you didn't have to tell
the whole truth because you were
so certain Keith Jr... ROSE: Yes. ...was... And it's just that
I feel that... It feels not... That everyone's making it seem like it's cheating.
I wasn't with him, it's not cheating. KEITH: That
was probably... JUDGE LAKE: No, no, no,
we're past the cheating part. We're on the paternity part. KEITH: And Your Honor... We're on the part where you find out
you're pregnant... I wasn't married at the time. ...and you
slept with two... No, we're not
on the marital part. Well, the fact is,
it's his kid, 1,000% sure. JUDGE LAKE:
You're that certain? ROSE: Yes. JUDGE LAKE:
But you were also very certain
when it came to Nivea. I remember this attitude.
I don't forget, you acted just like this the last time
you were in court about Nivea. Yeah, but it wasn't it. JUDGE LAKE: And it was not... No, it wasn't. People make
mistakes, it's like... JUDGE LAKE:
They absolutely do. They do. I'm... And that's why we're asking you
in this instance, did you make
any other mistakes? Were you...
Were you in a position where you may not know who Keith's
biological father is? I mean, Mr. McCrory
is truly doubting you. He didn't doubt... JUDGE LAKE: Because... ...the whole time we were
together, the whole time the kid's been born, he hasn't
doubted that kid at all until this last case
with Nivea. And then you're gonna
bring it up? Why didn't he bring it up
a long time ago? See, I didn't... JUDGE LAKE: Because
he didn't know you cheated, right? Right. He didn't know you...
Let me rephrase, he didn't know you slept
with someone else when you were broken up,
am I correct? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE:
Because you said Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE:
And so now, the marriage is on the rocks,
you have absolutely no trust now? KEITH: Yes,
no trust at all, Your Honor. ROSE: He's not really one to talk.
Well, it's, like, how would I know what
he's doing for the four days? He could've been
doing something. KEITH: I never slept
with anybody, Your Honor. You just chat with girls,
went with them. Well, you know what,
Ms. McCrory? You're right.
But if you haven't heard about any babies being born
as a result of it... How would I know?
You know, you never know. But I'm saying
you wouldn't... ROSE: Not with him. ...if you do,
you're welcome to come back,
but in this instance, we're talking about Keith Jr. I mean, that's why
we're here. ROSE: Shouldn't we... My name is on
the birth certificate, I have that with
me here today. You brought the
birth certificate? KEITH: Yeah,
I got a copy of that. Let me see that. Ron,
can you hand it to me? I mean... And that's...
I was excited when Keith was born.
I've always wanted a son that I can give
my last name to that can share
that bond of a Junior, and that can pass it on
to his son. The truth is, because she
did have unprotected sex
with somebody else, it's possible
that this little boy is not yours. Yes, Your Honor. And that's been
eating away at you. KEITH: Yes, Your Honor.
Going through all this, Your Honor, it's...
It made me, kind of, think about things, like...
Because, I mean, there was a time and period... (SOBBING) I'm not
standing here. JUDGE LAKE: Ms. McCrory, give yourself a minute
and then come back in, let's finish this case. ROSE: (SOBBING) The other thing that
makes me nervous is that the other possibility is still on her
Facebook today. So it concerns you that
she's still in contact... KEITH: Yes. ...with
this person? Well, I'm going to
always be in contact with the person. I tried
to tell him about it just in case it wasn't.
But I know 1,000% sure he's the father, and
he's gonna look stupid. So, Mr. McCrory, you asked
Ms. McCrory to submit to a lie detector test. (ROSE SNIFFLES) <i> We have administered
that lie detector test</i> <i> and I have the
results for you.</i> Would you like to hear them? Yes,
Your Honor. Ron, the envelope, please. These results were prepared by a licensed
polygraph examiner. Before I read these results,
Ms. McCrory, what do you expect
that we will find out? The truth on it all. I'm not lying about anything. Okay. Ms. McCrory, you were asked from 2013
until the present, have you slept with anyone other than one man
you admitted to your husband? You admitted that you did. Yeah, I did. (AUDIENCE GROANING) JUDGE LAKE:
Who is that person? Just someone else. Just... There was mistakes
when I got together, so he shouldn't be able
to... Shaking his head because he's no better. JUDGE LAKE:
All right. Ms. McCrory, you were
then asked if you sent
racy pictures to anyone other than
your husband in the last four years. You... Admitted that you did. (AUDIENCE GROANING) Ms. McCrory, you were asked
if you had sexual intercourse with the other possible
father of Keith Jr. other than the two times
you previously admitted, you said no. (SNIFFLES) The lie detector determined you were being deceptive. What? What the heck
is that? Lying. No, that's not... That don't make no sense. So is there anything
you'd like to add? Do you have anything
you wanna share? Do you wanna share
with your husband, maybe something
you haven't told him to let him know
that you're trying to be truthful? ROSE: I am truthful. I've been truthful... Well,
I mean, other than that lie... (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) I'm not gonna... I mean, it's not...
(CHUCKLES) It's not really a lie
because it's, like, we weren't together
and then... And then we got back together.
Why should I have to tell him? Maybe because... ROSE: Because it's... ...the child he thinks
as his child may not be? ROSE: No. I'm 1,000%
sure it's his child. It has been determined
by this court, Mr. McCrory, you... ...are the father. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) ROSE: See?
I told you so. JUDGE LAKE: Congratulations. Thank you,
Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: I'm happy for you. You have a beautiful
little boy, you have Nivea, and you're married, for better or for worse,
this may be your worst. I wanna talk to you all
in my chambers. I do.
Do you understand? Yes, I do. Yes, Your Honor. Meet me there.
Court is adjourned. Well, I'm glad we were
able to get closure and clarity on the
paternity issue as it relates to Keith Jr. and we can move forward
on that note. But there was yet
another situation. You talked during
the court case about this second gentleman, this other gentleman
you thought could potentially
be Nivea's father, am I correct? Yes. JUDGE LAKE: <i> Can you tell me
a little bit about that?</i> ROSE: <i> Yes, I can.</i> I met Mr. Balsa
through online, <i> and then he...
I invited him over,</i> <i> and then we ended up
having sex,</i> and then I just,
like, kind of just talked to him, hearing this
through Facebook, and then we lost touch
because I moved. JUDGE LAKE: All right.
Now, we have done a paternity test
on this gentleman and we've also
spoken with him. I'm really hopeful that
the test result will show that I'm not the father
of baby Nivea. I don't really believe
she's mine. I can't wait for
the DNA results to
come back and show that I'm telling the truth,
and she's lying. JUDGE LAKE: Are you ready
to hear the results? Yes, I am. I have them for
you right here. These results again
were prepared by DNA Diagnostics
and they read as follows. In the case of<i>
McCrory v. Balsa</i> when it comes to
three-year-old, Nivea McCrory, it has been determined
by this court, Mr. Balsa... ...is not her father. (SOBBING) I'm very sorry. JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Lindsey,
you say the plaintiff,
Ms. Vaught, has committed paternity fraud. You claim she deceived
you into believing that you fathered
her daughter but today, plan to prove
you are not her father. Yes, Your Honor. Additionally, you
are counter suing for
a lie detector test to determine the extent
of Ms. Vaught's infidelities. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. So, Ms. Vaught, well, the stakes are
pretty high today. VAUGHT: Yes,
they are, Your Honor. Explain. I wouldn't place
a baby on someone that I didn't know. Like, didn't believe
was her father. You get what
I'm saying? I have two previous
kids before him and my children both
have the same father. And if I felt in
my heart that he wasn't the father or
if I was to second guess of him being
the father I would have told
him from the door. What was the nature
of your relationship? We were good. Like, he was my best friend
at the beginning. Our relationship
started going
south because he felt like she
wasn't his due to something... Hearsay. JUDGE LAKE: What happened
Mr. Lindsey? She says you
all were good,
good friends. <i> Were you in
a relationship?</i> <i> Were you just dating
or were you committed?</i> No, we was good
friends. We was in
a relationship. Everything was
going good. Today, I feel like she got...
She too friendly. She too friendly
to me, man. Too friendly. Too friendly? VAUGHT:
Too friendly? Everybody,
her cousins
her brothers... Your Honor,
he has the nerve. JUDGE LAKE:
Oh, too friendly
with different guys. Exactly,
Your Honor. Okay. How long were you
all seeing each other? About two and
a half years. Two and
a half years! Sleeping together
without protection? Yes, we were. JUDGE LAKE: For two
and a half years? All the time.
All the time. We was on and off for
two and a half years? She's not telling
the truth. We was on and off... No, he went away for six months of the
two and a half years. And we still
was on and off. You have a
calendar here, sir? Yes, ma'am. He went over
and above. JUDGE LAKE:
Show me what it is (CHUCKLES) I never seen him
play with a tablet for
the sake of my life. But now he got
a tablet all of a sudden. You see where
it say December
and January? I was away.
I wasn't even... We live in
different towns. I wasn't even in
the same town. You were away when? I came back, February she talk
about how she's pregnant. How does that
add up? He was away... JUDGE LAKE: So,
you're saying I'm not... if you count back
nine months your contention is
that she conceived somewhere in the
December-ish area. VAUGHT: New Year's Eve... And you were away
with your family,
out of town for two months. Exactly, ma'am. And you didn't
get back to town and you all
didn't get together
till February? So, you feel like
the conception
doesn't add up. LINDSEY:
It doesn't add up. VAUGHT:
I know my body. I know when I was pregnant.
I'm not gonna lie to this man. At the end of the day,
we were together New Year's Eve
of 2014 bringing it in. I just got out of work,
bought some alcohol and we went.
I came home and we had
passionate love-making. With who? So, I don't
see how... What do you
mean, "With who?" You say, you assert that
you all were together New Year's Eve. VAUGHT: Yes, ma'am. Yes, Your Honor. And so, that
would have been
December 31st <i> that would have been within
the window of time.</i> VAUGHT: <i> Exactly.</i> And so Mr. Lindsey, you're
saying that's incorrect. That you were
not with her? I was not there. I don't know who
she got me confused
with somebody. VAUGHT: Do you see,
that's disrespectful,
right there. Because if we were
together two and
a half years how could you
open your mouth and say something
like that. JUDGE LAKE: And that
hurts your feelings. It does, because
I love this man. He know I love him. Ms. Vaught, you met
with a licensed
polygraph examiner. Yes. Before I read these
lie detector results what do you believe
we will find out. The truth. That's all it is. That's what the point
of the test was for. To tell the truth. Ms. Vaught,
you were asked
"Did you have "sexual contact with
the man who sent you "an Instagram message
about which window
to knock on?" You said "no". The lie detector
determined you were being
deceptive. What does
that mean? (EXCLAIMS) That I was lying? That means
you was lying? JUDGE LAKE:
Not telling the truth. I was lying? That's what
that means. Accept it.
You was lying. Okay, Your Honor. Ms. Vaught,
you were asked "Did you have sexual
contact with the man "who sent you messages
calling you 'sexy' and 'boo'?" You said "no". The lie detector
determined you were being
deceptive. (EXCLAIMS) I know I didn't
cheat on this man, 'cause I feel like
this, Your Honor, I give Shelby nothing
but respect and everything,
in every way. <i> I don't treat this
man no type of way.</i> He feels like that
because of something
somebody say. LINDSEY: I got the results,
I got no more to say. You got the results? The results speak
for itself. Unless you argue with
the lie detector, man. I feel like you're
doing this because you wanted to make
it seem like I'm this
bad person to you. You make it
seem like that. I didn't take the
lie detector test
and fail. Mr. Lindsey...
But he won't
submit to one. Why won't he
submit to one? I'm not certain
that Mr. Lindsey would pass a lie
detector test either,
Ms. Vaught. VAUGHT:
Thank you,
Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. Your Honor, how
can you do that? So, this petition
he presented is basically a request
to change Shelby's name, if in fact, she is not
his biological child. He wants his
name, Lindsey, <i> off the birth certificate.</i> LINDSEY: <i> Shelby too.</i> <i> Don't forget Shelby.</i> VAUGHT: <i> Okay, excuse m</i>■ <i>
Your Honor,</i> her middle name
is Renee, right? Your Honor, every
female in his family has Renee
as their middle names. So, if you really felt like
it wasn't your daughter why would you
give her that? No matter what,
if it ain't mine, I want... I don't want
her with my name. I'm 110%. What the issue is...
Hold on. (BOTH SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY) Hold on. Hold on.
The issue is this... The issue is there's
absolutely no trust. Oh, from... You don't believe
anything he's saying I don't. He don't believe
anything you're saying. And the truth is,
I want to know where do
you stand? She says she
loves you. How do you feel
Mr. Lindsey? Are you willing to
work on the relationship if in fact Shelby is your
biological daughter? Or are you ready to
walk away if she is not? I want to raise
my daughter with
her mother. At the end
of the day. So, if Shelby
is my daughter we could attempt. But, you know, got to gain
a little trust, this time, <i> because right now
it ain't working.</i> These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics and
they read as follows. In the case of<i>
Vaught v. Lindsey</i> when it comes
to 9-month-old,
Shelby Lindsey, it has been determined
by this court Mr. Lindsey, you... Are the father. (APPLAUDING) VAUGHT: Thank you,
Your Honor. I'm so happy.
Can I have that,
please? Can I have that? Oh, you want to put
this up in the house? Yeah.
I sure am. You're going to put
this on the refrigerator. If it helps him
remember. I can only imagine
what it feels like for nine months you
have a beautiful baby It hurts. and people are
questioning you, It hurts. questioning the baby. The father won't
be fully attached. Constant arguments. It is stressful enough
having a new baby, but having a new baby
with the stress of everyone
doubting you and the father
of the child denying that
the child is his, that's a lot. You two obviously
love one another but you don't
trust one another. Now, if you want to climb
up out of that you gotta do the work. And that's getting
back to the basics. The basics in
relationship, communication,
trust, respect, commitment. Ms. Winters, you say that
you and Mr. Cawley have been together
for six years, but now his paternity denial
of your son, Amoni, <i> has put your relationship
in jeopardy. Is that correct?</i> KRISTIN: <i> Yes, Your Honor.</i> JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Cawley,
you claim that throughout
your relationship, Ms. Winters has
been unfaithful, and say when
today's results prove
you are not Amoni's father, the relationship is over,
is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. So, Ms. Winters, you say
your family is in jeopardy. Yeah, lately... Explain. Lately,
all we've been doing...
We argue all the time. We have a lot of
insecurity issues. A lot of insecurity? KRISTIN: Yeah, because of,
you know, the past. It's just resentment
from the issues
from the past, though. Well, what kind of issues
from the past? Explain. Betrayal. Me catching her
in the bed with another guy. JUDGE LAKE: Oh! KRISTIN: We were
kind of broken up and having problems
at the time, and before that,
I had caught him talking
to another girl, so... JUDGE LAKE: Wait a minute!
Don't skip over that
catching in the bed part. (LAUGHTER) Mr. Cawley,
tell me what happened. You said you caught her
in the bed with somebody else? Yes, Your Honor.
Well, I was away, and the moment I got home, I was ready
to just flop into bed. I had been away
for many... And I turned the corner
and I see both of them
laying in the bed. And the guy was asleep,
and she was in there... I was just dressed.
We were dressed. You had your clothes on,
you said, but you were
in the bed with a guy. KRISTIN: Yes. He was a family friend. He was spending
the night there,
and Michael was away. We were having problems
at the time. And this was after
I found out he was talking
to another female.
So, at that point, I didn't even want
to be with him. But that's... Were you sleeping
with this guy you
were in the bed with? I had prior to that,
but I didn't that night. JUDGE LAKE: Oh! MICHAEL: You see what
I'm saying, Your Honor? So, now she's admitting to you
she slept with this guy. He only knows because
I told him about it. I believe the only reason
she told me about that is to cover up
the other things
that she did. Just the... What are the other
things she did? MICHAEL: Just rumors of
guys being at the house. Her hanging out
with other guys
and stuff like that. I admit, at the time,
I was talking to
other guys and stuff, but like I said, at the time,
couple months before that, I had just found out
he was with some girl. I just can't prove he cheated
and he won't be man enough
to tell me he cheated. So, I just kind of
strung away from
the relationship. Because I didn't cheat! Oh! The responsibility
of raising two children and being in this relationship
made you start thinking... Yes, Your Honor. I was still there to take care
of my responsibility, but I probably
shouldn't have... The female friends
that I had, I probably shouldn't
have been talking
to them as much with us having
a place together. But that still don't have
nothing to do with her taking it to the whole
next level and actually
cheating on me. But the girl he was actually
caught talking with, when I found out
he worked with her, I was like,
"Don't talk to her." And then, next thing I know, I'm finding out
he's at her house,
giving her rides. So, you know, at that point,
I was ready to break up
with him. And so, after this incident,
you all decided to break up? We did for maybe,
like, a week or two. But at some point,
you come up pregnant. KRISTIN: Yeah, we ended up
getting back together <i> at the end of 2013,
and we pretty much were like,</i> <i> "Look, we're either
going to stay together
and quit all this,</i> "or we're just
gonna break up." So, we pretty much agreed
to stay together... We did make an agreement
we weren't going
to mess around and do all of that no more. And around the time that
she said she was pregnant
with Amoni, her family member told me
that she was at the house with the guy that
I asked her not to be. Take me back to that moment.
You find out you're pregnant. I didn't even say nothing
or tell him or nothing. I kind of just bought a test,
because I was late, you know. And when it
came back positive, that's when I called him
and I told him about it. And to be honest,
I was unhappy whenever
I found out she was pregnant. But then her
family member's spouse
told me later on that she was at the house
with this guy
numerous times. Oh! Oh, so you slept
with this guy? No, I didn't. And it was...
It was a one-bedroom
apartment. My family member and,
you know, his family,
and then me and him. So, it's not like
we were in the middle in the living room
sleeping together. So you're saying,
it's your testimony that you weren't at this house
with this man multiple times as your own family member
alerted. That doesn't, like,
Michael told him, yeah. JUDGE LAKE: This is a mess.
You're just on a treadmill. Running a race
and never winning. JUDGE LAKE:
So, there's no trust? None at all. Well, that's why you asked
for a lie detector test. KRISTIN: Right. MICHAEL: Exactly. And, you know, we have
administered that test
and we have the results. Would you like
to hear the results? KRISTIN: Yes. MICHAEL: Yes, Your Honor. Jerome. (APPLAUSE) Ms, Winters,
you met with a licensed
polygraph examiner. KRISTIN: Mmm-hmm.
Yes, Your Honor. And you were asked
the following questions. "On the day Michael found
a man in your bed,
did you have sex with him?" You said, "No." Yes, Your Honor. The lie detector determined you were being truthful. Told you. (LAUGHS) Ms. Winters,
you were asked, "Have you had sexual
intercourse with anyone "other than Michael
since the end of 2013?" You said, "No." The lie detector determined you were being deceptive. (AUDIENCE GASPS) (LAUGHTER) Now that's not true.
(NERVOUS CHUCKLE) You were asked,
"Are you currently hiding "a sexual or romantic
relationship with another
man from Michael?" You said, "No." Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE:
The lie detector determined
you were being deceptive. (AUDIENCE GASPS) What? (SCOFFS) Mr. Cawley, how does it feel
to hear those results? Some of the stuff
I had a gut feeling about
that she was lying about. But I was in denial,
but I'm really not
too surprised for real. Ms. Winters, it said
you were being deceptive
on more than one occasion. Is there something
you'd like to say? In the beginning of 2014,
I did, you know... It did prolong a little
after than I said it did, but that was the only thing
that I can really think that
I lied about. The whole... JUDGE LAKE: Well, that's... Lying about somebody now
is a little different. What's a little different? Because, like I said, then,
we were having problems.
Now, we're not. So... But point blank
period, we made an agreement
at that point. Yeah, well, you also cheated
on me four months ago.
So that agreement kind of went out the window.
So... The bottom line is,
after the "agreement," you were still sleeping
with somebody else. KRISTIN: Right.
And I did it because I... I know he was, too,
because I saw him... You know, he was writing
girls on Facebook,
trying to find new friends. I mean, it just didn't
feel real at the time, so... You do seem
kind of nonchalant, like,
you can take it or leave it. KRISTIN: I mean, I'm... Maybe I don't show
my emotion like I should, but at the end of the day,
I do think of my children,
you know what I mean? Whenever we go
back and forth and
we're arguing all the time, that's not healthy
for them either. Like, I'd rather them have
no father than be around me
and him arguing all the time. Look, we all grow
in relationships. Sometimes we grow together,
sometimes we grow apart. And I think that's what
we have to determine here. Whether you all
are going to continue
to try to grow together, or if you're going
to have to grow apart. Right. And most importantly,
how we handle the child
that could potentially be in the middle of this, Amoni. KRISTIN: Right. I have the paternity
results for you.
Are you ready for them? KRISTIN: Yes. Yes. In the case of<i>
Winters v. Cawley,</i> when it comes to
16-month-old Amoni Cawley, it has been determined
by this court... you are the father. So, that right there
should prove to him
I wasn't cheating, you know, around the time.
(CHUCKLES) Well, it doesn't really
prove that, Ms. Winters. (LAUGHTER) But it does prove that
Amoni is his biological child, and it relieves the doubt. Right. The arguing, the not knowing, we have to get this together,
what you guys are doing
right now.
