JUDGE LAKE:
Mr. Manser, you claim you spent
five years in prison for failing to pay child
support for the defendant,
Ms. Sehr's son, Dylan. That's right. JUDGE LAKE: And it was
never proven that you are
his biological father. That's right. (AUDIENCE REACT) JUDGE LAKE: Now, Ms. Sehr,
you say you have proof that
Mr. Manser is Dylan's father. You argue you are
here to prove, again, that he is
the father of your son, to finally stop
him running from
his responsibility. Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Manser,
explain to the court the circumstances
surrounding you arrest. Well, Your Honor,
I'm here to explain that 12 hours of my life
cost me five years in the
Department of Corrections. (LAUGHS) She was a friend of
my aunt. She was best friends
with my aunt. We all lived in
the same little community. She lived
across the street. I knew of her.
I knew her,
I've spoken to her. But, as far as intimacy,
we were together one time. And I hate to be crude,
but it was a one-night stand. I don't care what your
version was, I was far
from a one-night stand. Well, define
the word "Dating." Living across the street
from each other? Far from
a one-night stand. My wife's gonna
be upset 'cause I
live across the street... JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Sehr... ...from somebody
I'm not dating. Oh, if I was your wife,
I wouldn't trust you
for nothing. JUDGE LAKE: I don't think,
after all of this that
has transpired, it really matters whether
it was a one-night stand
or a two-day tryst... The point is, is you all
had a sexual relationship
at some point. So there is a possibility
that he's the father of
your son, Dylan. Correct. Possibility. JUDGE LAKE:<i> Okay.</i> I didn't find out anything
about the child until I was
served with papers in 1995. JUDGE LAKE: And so, you
showed up for court
and what happened? No, he didn't show up. I was unable to show up. I was completely
on the other side
of the state. I was indigent.
I was living at my mom's.
Didn't have a job at the time. So I didn't show up
for court, and I was named
the natural father by default. JUDGE LAKE: And then
what happens? And then I was
charged criminally for not paying the child
support that was ordered
in the default judgment. So how did you
get arrested? That came three years later
after I still didn't pay
child support. Still unable to pay. I still had doubt.
I've never, to this day... Thank God for your show
or I'd never know for sure <i> whether or not I was
the natural father. Never.</i> ELIZABETH:<i> If you would've
shown up for court,
you would've known.</i> I didn't... I couldn't
show up for court. Why? I got there. There a lot of people... You live
in the same town. Well, I got there
just fine. Yeah. I'm sure you did. I wasn't busy running
away from everything. Did you... That's right... You didn't pay
child support for
about eight years. Quit telling them it was
three years, it was
about eight years. The Court order
was in 1995. Mmm-hmm. I got arrested in 1998.
So that's three years
in my calculation. Twelve years...
And I went to prison
for five years. When I got out of prison
in 2003, I paid child support
from that day until this February
of last year when
I lost my job. Only because
they garnished
your wages. Absolutely.
That's what they do. And I actually asked
my public defender, "Where's the proof?
I've yet to see proof
that the child's mine." He said that they obtained
my DNA through a sample that
was already on file. That's what she's
claiming this whole time. For a daughter you didn't raise, too. So, that's right. Ms. Sehr, your evidence
clearly states that there was
a laboratory test performed. Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: I see here. I don't think it happened.
I think she worked in a lab, and she's had this
thing manufactured. (LAUGHS) So... JUDGE LAKE: This is what
movies are made of. Yeah. JUDGE LAKE:
Now, Ms. Sehr... I am good at my job,
but I'm not that good. Did you work
at a lab? Who's to say... I did. Actually, at that time,
I worked at a plasma center. I harvested plasma
with 16 gauge needles, had nothing to do with DNA. I'm sure, you know,
when you're in a business, you know other people
from the business. Now, what's interesting
to me is that, as I go
through this evidence... ELIZABETH: I was in school
at that time, by the way. ...and I get to the information that is
also included in the
collection of the samples, <i> I do see that for
alleged father,</i> <i> it's entirely blank.</i> BILL:<i> That's right.
Imagine that.</i> <i> Meaning, there is no
Social Security number...</i> <i> That's right.</i> JUDGE LAKE:<i>
...there is no address...</i> BILL:<i> She forgot to
put that part in there.</i> <i> ...there is no information
about you. It's all blank.</i> <i> There's no picture of you,
there's no photograph.</i> She didn't have
that information.
That's right. Exactly! So, obviously,
your contention that you didn't show up,
you weren't there for this particular test
is true. BILL: You're right. Because there's
no evidence that you
were there on that day. We've established that. That's exactly right.
Thank you, Your Honor. We do, however,
see a lab record of
a collection taken on May 1st, 1995,
which they claim was you. The date in May
when they put on
the extension number, that is when
they pulled a sample
out of their freezer. Ms. Sehr, I see
the laboratory results
of the testing with a probability
of paternity
of 99.67 percent. You know, ma'am,
that he said 99.67 means he still might not
be the father when
he heard that number. Now, listen... You can't pretend... Mr. Manser,
let me say this to you. What I do
believe that's missing
in all of this evidence is I don't see
any information relating
to the collection of the sample
from Mr. Manser. JUDGE LAKE: And Chris,
you've met Dylan,
Ms. Sehr's son? I originated that. JUDGE LAKE:<i> Were you
like brothers, Chris?</i> CHRIS:<i> Absolutely, yes.</i> BILL:<i> Absolutely.</i> JUDGE LAKE:<i> You had
a relationship?</i> CHRIS:<i> Yeah, I've felt
he was my brother
since I met him.</i> So, you've seen
your father treat
Dylan well? Yes. Absolutely. I've been withdrawn.
I've been distant, but that's because
of the doubt that
I've had, you know? ELIZABETH:<i>
You didn't even...</i> BILL:<i> I've had doubt.</i> So, Mr. Manser,
you claim this has
destroyed your life. Absolutely... You've had a pretty
decent life. You didn't
give up anything. I think it's time
we meet Dylan. Jerome, will you escort Dylan
into the courtroom, please? Certainly. (SOFTLY) Just go up and
stand on the other side... Hello, Dylan. DYLAN: How are you? Thank you for joining us. Now, Dylan, I want to know
about your relationship
with your father. I feel like I don't
know him that well. We don't. We don't know
each other. JUDGE LAKE: Go ahead, son. I love Chris, though. We've spent a lot
of time together. JUDGE LAKE: Your brother? Yeah. We're going to be
brothers no matter what. <i> No matter what
happens after today.</i> DYLAN:<i> I've only
met my little brother...</i> Would you like to
have a relationship
with Mr. Manser? I'm not really sure.
I mean... I can't respect
someone talking so much
harmful to my mother. That's what
I didn't want to do.
I didn't want to do that. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) The lab, because of
the sensitivity of this issue, ran two tests. The results are
as follows. (EXHALES) In the case of<i>
Manser v. Sehr,</i> as it pertains to
20-year-old Dylan Sehr, Mr. Manser... You... Are... Not his father. Oh, God! (AUDIENCE GASP) Oh, man! Five years in prison. (AUDIENCE REACT) I... Dylan,
I'm sorry, bro.
This is why. This is why
I did what I did. ELIZABETH: But this
does not mean I made up
the lab test. You've made it all up. No, I did not. Well, those results,
apparently, are made up. I don't know
any of those people
on that form. Oh, my God. This is clearly
the most shocking news... ELIZABETH: Very much. ...we've ever gotten
in this courtroom. Oh, my God! She should be
convicted of some crime. No, I should not. That is Fraud. Mr. Manser,
I know you're upset. That is fraud. (SIGHS) I know it's overwhelming. BILL: I told you. I need a moment with Dylan
because I want to make sure
he understands. Do you want to find out
who your father is? Of course. JUDGE LAKE:
Ms. Sehr, do you know? Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: You know
who his father is? Yes, I talk to him still. (AUDIENCE REACT) JUDGE LAKE:
Listen... Get away from my son. (SOFTLY) I'm sorry. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) He apologized. I know that
under his breath
he's calling me a liar. You cannot stand there
and really suggest that you cannot
comprehend why this
man would not have any type of ill feeling,
frustration or regret as it relates to
anything involving you. Five years in prison! And then I say,
"Do you know who
your son's father is?" And you say,
"Yes. I'm still in
touch with him." That is a really
huge pill to swallow! Miss Jackson, you say
Mr. Figgures was
a smooth-talking Casanova who
swept you off your feet and out of your clothes
and then left you with a baby. Yes, Your Honor. You claim Mr. Figgures
disappeared 20 years ago, and now you want to prove that
he is definitely your son Daneil's biological father. Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Figgures, you admit to
being a former ladies man. But you say, there's
no way you fathered
Ms. Jackson's child. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. All right, when you
find out you're pregnant... Yeah. Do you let
Mr. Figgures know? Th... When I found out, I thought I had a stomach
virus or something. So when I went
to the infirmary. You know, what I'm saying,
they gave me a pregnancy test. I'm stunned. I'm
actually in shock. I didn't have my family. So, I'm really trying to... But she also had another guy that
she was dealing with
at the same time. Why are you coming
to me suddenly? Dealing with? Where?
Hold on a minute. Dealing...dealing with. Dealing with... He wasn't even there... Dealing with... Let her testify,
let her testify. Dealing with someone,
meaning he had my back don't mean
we having sex. Come on. It didn't come to... But the person that he's
talking about, he even went
to him and told him, "You know, she's
carrying my baby." FIGGURES: See what I'm saying? Mr. Figgures, so
you admitted that... That I went to the guy
and told him that? That's what she testified. No. Did you admit to that? No, no. I didn't go to him
and tell him that. "You know she's
carrying my baby." No, I went to him... Because when he...
Later on that day... He came to me and... I said to him was,
"Do you know "that this is what
she's saying?" He said, "Yeah."
But at the same time, they supposed to be
dealing with each other. Then he comes back and says,
that he's going to take care
of the child or you know... So, how can you say,
how do I know that it's not his
or is mine or I don't know.
It's like she's just
putting it on somebody. JACKSON: Your Honor,
this man... Till this day, is still in the picture. In my life. We didn't have sex.
It's just... He's in... We're all
in Job Corps and he know,
like I'm pregnant. Oh, that is good. And that he's... Can I say this, ma'am? Mr. Casanova, I wanna give Mr. Figgures
a chance to respond. From my perspective
of things... You have this friend
in your life or
whatever, that's good. But at the same time when
you tell everybody that you're
dealing with this person, here it is a week later,
you having sex with me again. I wanna ask Daneil,
how was it growing
up without a dad and having to watch your mother,
help your mother
try to find the man she believes is your father. How has this
affected you, young man? It was... I mean
we had hard times. Rough time,
we've been through
thick and thin. And she always
told me don't run
from your problems, so... I don't run from my
problem. I'll stick with
her through thick and thin. (APPLAUSE) So... He needs to know. And that's the reason
why I'm here. Your Honor, I have,
I have other children. And their dad
come into their life. They come and they
take them places.
They go here, they go there,
you know what
I'm saying? And it's always been
me and him. He don't have nobody. I'm all he has and
he is all I have. What if I die tomorrow? You know what
I'm saying?
Where's he gonna go? My other kids
can go somewhere. Where's he gonna go? And that's been eating me
for 20 years that I have this man. I have... I mean,
I got you in the
palm of my hand. Like I got your Social
Security Number. Why is it taking
the State of Georgia 20 years to even get
to swab his mouth? Hey, that wasn't my fault. I mean I'm not blaming him. DANEIL: He never had
initiative in doing anything. Like I said, if I didn't know
how to get in touch with
you, how can I? There are so many
social media networks, you can find anybody here. I'm not, I'm not,
I'm not a social... Then that's you. (BOTH ARGUING TOGETHER) You're not sounding
like a man, right now. You're not sounding
like a man right now. You're not
sounding like a man. Yes, you can find
anything with a name. Okay, well look... Mr. Figgures, are you
suggesting that you did not
know Ms. Jackson's last name? I did not. And you didn't even know
your own potential son's name? I did not. I knew nothing. And that's it. It has been determined
by this court, Mr. Figgures, you... ...are not the father. (AUDIENCE GASPS) Oh, my God. 20 years, huh? For this. I hope you find that. 'Cause everybody should know
who their people are. My dad wasn't there
for me either. So I'm sorry
for you, man. I really hope you
do find out who
your father is. JACKSON: It's fine. I have to ask you. Respectfully, do you know... ...who? I mean
for 20 years... I feel like... Yeah. But he's been
there all along. (LAUGHS) My God. Does he have any clue that he is Daneil's
biological father? No. This is... This is one of the
biggest shockers ever. I... I... I do not know the results. JACKSON: Oh, my God. I don't know what they are. But I did not see
this coming, Ron. So this child's father
has been in his life almost his whole life
and he didn't know it
was his father? It's not "almost."
His whole life. He's been there. So he good. Daneil... Babe, I wanna, I wanna
know how you feel. Is this, is this
surreal for you? Is it almost unbelievable? I mean... The other guy being here.
So it make more sense. I'd feel more better if
it was him cause like, he's been there. So... That makes more sense. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) you and your brother,
Mr. Hunt, are suing your
mother and your father for a paternity test. You claim that just
two weeks ago, they dropped
a bomb during an argument. You say that in
the heat of the moment,
they inadvertently revealed that it was possible your dad,
Mr. Jacobs, is not
your biological father. (AUDIENCE GASPS) Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Jacobs,
you say since the time
they were babies, you are the only father
your children have ever known. Yes, ma'am. So, Ms. Raysor, tell us
about the argument you and
your brother overheard. I started to hear
a lot of noise
in my mom's bedroom. He coming out the room
going to the kitchen saying, "Well, those ain't my kids,
anyway, so I was
doing you a favor," and left out the door. Really? Yes, yes, really. Your mother made a comment
that really didn't sit too
well with me, and it hurt me. You guys didn't hear
the whole comment. You know I was just mad.
You know I was mad. I just was...
Just mad! JUDGE LAKE: So, Ms. Hammonds,
you're admitting that
in the heat of the argument, you said this statement.
You made this statement
to Mr. Jacobs. Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: That "you're not
their father, anyway." Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: But it was just
in the heat of the moment. So it was only two weeks ago
that this all came to a head.
Two weeks ago! Well, Your Honor,
I have to say this. It's been longer
than two weeks ago, it's just that this argument
brought everything out. And when you heard that,
immediately you felt... I was in shock!
I was just like,
"How you just gonna..." Despite the argument, how you just gonna leave
without saying bye, huh? They argue, that's cool. But when you got your
children and you arguing
with your spouse, that don't got nothing
to do with us. You understand
what I'm saying? I do understand
what you're saying. Your Honor? JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Hunt,
you'd like to add something? Yes, Your Honor. I was sitting
in the living room playing
video games with my friends. I overheard what he said,
and it messed me up. And when he walked out of
the house, I was sitting
in a state of shock. JACOBS: Your Honor,
may I interject, please? So you overheard this as well. HUNT: Yes, I did. Me and my friends, actually. And I was just sitting
there, like, "Whoa." We was having
a get-together. Everybody was
at the house. So, Mr. Jacobs,
did you make that comment? Yes, I did, Your Honor. But
I don't believe my children
heard the whole comment. It had me so stressed out,
Your Honor,
that I went on Facebook and I thought the whole world
was against me, and I posted,
"I'm crying gangster tears." RAYSOR: Now, you know,
I'm the stronger one. Even though I'm
the little sister,
I act like the big sister. But for him to make that
statement was just ridiculous. Because they didn't
hear the whole comment... RAYSOR: All right, Mom, so for him to make
that statement, why did you
make that statement? Why did you say what you said
for him to say what he said? Because maybe he's not
your father, Precious, maybe he's not. What do you mean? Maybe he's not,
I don't know.
Maybe he's not. So what you was doing, Mom? JUDGE LAKE:
So, Ms. Hammonds... JACOBS: May I just say
something please, Your Honor? Your daughter is asking
for clarification. I'm 26 years old, okay? This is the only man that
I've known for all of my life. He's been there for my
kindergarten graduation, my sixth-grade graduation... How many men do you know
sit in a delivery room with their daughter
when they're having a baby? (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) Okay? For you to make
that statement,
and for him to... RAYSOR: Listen, is there something that
you need to tell us? Is there something that
you need to tell me? Maybe, I don't know,
I don't know who's the father,
I just don't know. JUDGE LAKE: Now, Ms. Raysor, Mr. Farmer, the man in
question, has agreed
to take a paternity test, and he's joining us
from his hometown. We're here with Ms. Raysor, and you agreed to
take a DNA test. Yes, I was
at that cookout, so... Mom, you said that
this was your... JUDGE LAKE: Just one second,
Ms. Raysor. I'm sorry, Mr. Farmer, did you have a relationship
with Ms. Hammonds? Yes, we had
a physical relationship.
It wasn't a relationship. RAYSOR: You called
that your brother. JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Hammonds, were you intimate
with Mr. Farmer,
is what he's saying true? Yes, ma'am. RAYSOR: That's Uncle Tommy. Yes, ma'am. That's just nasty. That's just nasty! That is not my father! That's not my father! HAMMONDS: Precious! Precious! No! No! No! There's a possibility
I could be your father. You never knew
he existed? No, you're right,
I shouldn't have
known you existed. Look what you're
doing to my family. I didn't do anything
to your family.
It was already done. When we leave this courtroom
today, my son and daughter
will be leaving with me, regardless of what
that paper says. Father might be there
by name and name only. Those are mine. RAYSOR: And she can
go with her brother. 'Cause I'm going with my dad. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) HAMMONDS: Precious... RAYSOR: You can go
with your brother. But you're my daughter. You can go with your brother. But you're my daughter. RAYSOR: I know,
you're my mother. JUDGE LAKE: Let's get
some order. Okay, I...
(GROANS) This is a lot even
for me to take in. And I do this daily. And I want you all
to take a deep breath. We've got to get
through this. Ms. Hammonds, you do
understand how your
daughter feels at this point. She was introduced
to this man as, this is a family friend,
she thought it was
a brother-in-law, you called him Uncle Tommy...
She had no idea that somewhere around the
time she was conceived that you were in a
sexual relationship with him. You do understand that,
right? Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. In the case of<i> Raysor/Hunt
v. Jacobs/Hammonds,</i> as it pertains to 26-year-old
Precious Raysor, Mr. Farmer... Yes. JUDGE LAKE: You are not her father. Yes! Yes!
Oh, my God! Oh!
Oh, my God, yes! Oh! Oh! JACOBS: Thank you. RAYSOR: Oh! Thank you. Oh! Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Raysor,
have a seat. Oh, my God. Both of you, have a seat. Oh, my God. Sit down. Oh, my God. Thank you, Jesus! JUDGE LAKE: Are you ready
for the next result? In the case of<i> Raysor/Hunt
v. Jacobs/Hammonds,</i> as it pertains to 26-year-old
Precious Raysor, Mr. Jacobs, you... RAYSOR: Are the father. You are the father! JUDGE LAKE: ...are not... No! JUDGE LAKE: ...her father. (SOBBING) No! This is my daughter
right here. No... This is my baby right here. (CRYING) No. JACOBS: You're
going to be fine. Wow. (SOBBING) Mr. Jacobs, please
try to sit her down. Come on,
sit down right here.
Sit down. RAYSOR: Don't leave me. Come on, sit down.
The judge has to finish her
paperwork, sit down. (CRYING CONTINUES) as it pertains to 33-year-old
Hector Hunt, Mr. Jacobs, you are not Hector's father. Oh, you is scandalous! What you don't know...
No, no, it's other things. JUDGE LAKE: Jerome,
could you go please see
if you could help Mr. Hunt? Oh! Let me get my kids.
Let me get my children. She is scandalous!
