Mr. Black, you say
you're here today to finally prove that
you are not the
biological father <i> of four-month-old
Javeon Black.</i> BLACK: <i> Yes, Your Honor.</i> You say, when the results
reveal you are not
the father, you no longer want
the child to have
your last name. Yes, Your Honor. AUDIENCE: Oh! Ms. Rockmore, you say
you are 100% sure Mr. Black is your
son's biological father, and you are
completely disgusted by his rejection of
your innocent child. Yes, Your Honor. So, Mr. Black, are you indeed
rejecting
Ms. Rockmore's child? Yes, Your Honor. (AUDIENCE MURMURING) JUDGE LAKE: And why? Uh, when I met
Ms. Rockmore, we, um... We had sex on
the first night. (AUDIENCE MURMURING) Um... Uh, I got to know her,
and when I was getting
to know her, her ex was
still involved. And I believe he still
got something
to do with her while we was trying
to get to know
each other, and... I don't know
what the hell's
going on but, I mean,
that's one of
my doubts. Take me back.
How did you meet her? I met her walking around
my apartment complex. She was with some
mutual friends. Okay. And I thought she
was very attractive, and I talked to her,
and we exchanged numbers. We got to know each other
a little better on
that evening, and then we exchanged...
We had sexual contact
later on that night. Same night you saw her
walking around a parking lot? Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. AUDIENCE: Oh! So was the
sex protected? No, ma'am, it wasn't. AUDIENCE: Ooh! (SIGHS) Ms. Rockmore, how do you end up
having sex with
somebody unprotected after you are just
walking around an apartment complex? Yeah, it was just more
because I really liked him. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) JUDGE LAKE: Tell me. It was just more
because I really was
attracted to him when I first seen him. Like, it was just, I was just
instantly attracted to him
when I first seen him. Yeah, I shouldn't have
had sex with him on the
first night, but... You know,
it happened. So you...
Bottom line is you did, and there was no
protection used? Yes, Your Honor. Were you having sex with
anyone else at the time? No, Your Honor.
I wasn't. Were you in
a relationship
with anybody? No, Your Honor.
I wasn't. Mr. Black. So why are
you doubtful? She says she
didn't even know anybody else,
have sex with anybody else, she wasn't even
dating anybody else. I'm doubtful
because at
the time I was there and
I was talking
to her, that period of time,
I've seen her ex
involved with her. And so...
I mean,
I don't know. If she's capable of
having sex with me... JUDGE LAKE: So you said you saw her with her ex. Yes, ma'am.
He walked past me while I was at her
house talking to her. And he went and
took her to the store. How did you know
it was her ex? I knew it was her ex
because she told me. That's the last time
she had intercourse with me. Okay. So... If he came by
and they went
to the store, what would make you
think they were
even having sex? Was he just
giving her a ride
to the store? No. I don't know
what it was. It was none of my
business at the time. But I mean, you know,
I didn't think me and her
would have no baby later on. And her and her ex... I didn't know what
they had going on, but I didn't think we was
in a relationship, I thought we were
just talking. JUDGE LAKE: And so, when you were "talking," was this during the
window of conception? 'Cause you were doing
more than talking... (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) ...since you're
standing here now. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) Was this during the
window of conception? Yes, ma'am. So, I'm trying to understand
the doubt, Mr. Black, because you say, "I'm doubtful
that the child could be mine, "even though I slept with her
during the window of
conception without protection "because I saw her ex come
and they went to the store." (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) That's not a good
argument for court. I need to come
better than that. Yes, ma'am.
What it is, I saw
her ex involved in her life. I believe that a man is not
going to be involved
in your life unless he's doing
something for you, and he's expecting
something in return. AUDIENCE: Whoa. JUDGE LAKE: So now, give me, give me more details. When
you say you saw her ex
involved in her life... Besides this
going to the store, what else did you observe? I didn't observe
nothing from her because I wasn't
around her like that. That's where my doubt
comes from. I didn't stay with her,
I didn't live with her... Okay, hold on.
Now, see, the
story's changing. You just said the reason
why you were doubtful is
because you saw her ex involved in her life,
and if someone's doing
things for you, they want something
in return. Yes, ma'am. But the only thing
you witnessed is them going
to the store. BLACK: Yes, ma'am,
but that's her baby daddy. So... So... Could he have been
coming to see his child? No, ma'am, he couldn't
be coming to see his child, because his child wasn't
in the car with him. His child was nowhere
around them at the time
I was there. Bottom line is this. You're "talking"
to a girl. Yes, ma'am. Meaning you all are having
a casual, sexual relationship or whatever you all
are doing at that point. Yes, ma'am. So when her ex comes around,
is she standing with you
before she goes to the store? No, ma'am, she wasn't. I was just...
I was outside. She told me before he
came over there, but my thing was,
why is he coming
over here? If I'm your man or
supposedly
your man, why are you asking
him for something?
Why don't you ask me? If you did need something,
if you are going
to the store... But you said
you weren't her man,
you were all just talking. I know, we was talking,
but we were getting
to know each other. You know, you all
are not going to
confuse me today. BLACK: I need
loyalty in my life. Now, do you...
But what is
she loyal to? You're not in a relationship. You gotta show me. You gotta show me. JUDGE LAKE: She has a child with this guy, right? Yes, ma'am. So what if they needed to do
something for their child? She needed to
tell me first. AUDIENCE: Oh! JUDGE LAKE:
But you're not her... BLACK: Yes, ma'am. But you're not her boyfriend. BLACK: No, I'm not her
boyfriend, but... So why does she have to
get permission from you to go do something
with her child's father? If she want me to be her man,
then she's going
to be loyal to me and let me know everything
that's going on. JUDGE LAKE: So the point is is you felt like,
at that point, you all were trying to get
to know one another. You weren't
committed yet. BLACK: Exactly. But in the midst of us
getting to know one another, you coming and getting
picked up with your ex, and you felt like, just keep everything
on the table, say, "This is my ex. "He's coming to pick me up
because we need to do
blah, blah, blah." BLACK: Yes, ma'am. Or I'm doing... You felt like there was
a little bit too much mystery, which made you feel
like the lines could be
a little blurred. Yes, ma'am. Okay. So now, Ms. Rockmore,
at some point you find out
you're pregnant. Yes, ma'am.
Yes, Your Honor. And when you find out
you're pregnant,
who do you tell? The first person that
I told was my mom, and that's because
she went to the
doctor with me. As soon as I left
the doctor, I called...
I called Mr. Black to let him know that
I was pregnant. And at the time,
he didn't believe me. <i> Until I showed him a sonogram
picture, then that's when
he believed me.</i> (AUDIENCE MURMURING) JUDGE LAKE: <i> So...</i> When you heard about
the pregnancy,
Mr. Black, she says you were
doubtful. Were you? Yes, ma'am, I was doubtful.
It was month later. I got a calendar showing
the time periods of
where we had our intercourse, and the time period
she showed me
she was pregnant. She could have had sex
with anybody from August
to September. Jerome,
let me see this. The window of
conception,
this in green? <i> When you were
intimate with
Ms. Rockmore,</i> <i> that was pretty much
the whole month of July.</i> BLACK: <i> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.</i> <i> The whole month of
July, we was having
intercourse,</i> <i> and that's when we met,
and we were talking.</i> <i> I mean, like I said, we didn't
talk for very long, I thought
we were just talking.</i> Once she showed me
she was unloyal to me, or she wouldn't let me know
everything that was going on, I left.
I left Palestine, Texas (AUDIENCE MURMURING) And I...
And I was gone. So, in the blue,
it says you moved to Dallas
on August the third. BLACK: <i> Yes, ma'am.</i> JUDGE LAKE: <i> And then in
red you see September,</i> <i> you were informed that
she was pregnant.</i> BLACK: <i> Yes, ma'am.</i> JUDGE LAKE: <i> And then in</i> <i> yellow, we see the birthday,
Javeon's birthday.</i> <i> It's the 15th of April.</i> BLACK: <i> Yes, ma'am,
it doesn't add up.</i> So what exactly are you
trying to prove? I'm trying to prove that
he is not my child. And how does this calendar
help you in that proof? (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) It helps me in that way
of showing you the time frame
that we did have sex. She was on her period
from the 21st to the 28th, and we had sex
on the 30th one time. And she came to me on the 26th
saying that she was pregnant. Between July 30th
and September 26th, she could have had
sex with anybody. You're claiming that the
window of conception... BLACK: The times don't add up. ...would have been between
July 30th and when? BLACK: Yes, ma'am. BLACK: <i> And, I'm going
to say, August 3rd.</i> So you believe
there is no way,
based on this calendar, that you are the father. Yes, ma'am. Ain't no way
I could be the father. At all. I may not be an OBGYN. BLACK: Yes, ma'am (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) I was pretty good at math. BLACK: Mmm-hmm I'm counting back,
and I'm saying, <i> "One, two, three, four, five,
six, seven, eight, nine."</i> BLACK: <i> Mmm-hmm</i> (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) I land in July. But that's around
the same time that her ex was involved. That's around the same time
that I was seeing him. JUDGE LAKE: Okay,
I was just being clear. 'Cause your
testimony said that
between the 30th and in August, she could
have slept with anybody. Yes, ma'am. So I'm saying... But she was sleeping with you
throughout the month of July. And that seems to be closer
to the window of conception. Yes, ma'am, it is.
But you know... I mean, at the same time,
I can't watch her, I can't say who
she was sleeping with. If I slept with her
one day, who's to say somebody else didn't
come behind me
and hit her too? AUDIENCE: Whoa! JUDGE LAKE:
And so, Ms. Rockmore, did he help you at all
during the pregnancy?
Did he support you? No, he didn't help me. Did he come to
doctor's appointments? He didn't help
me at all. I went to every
doctor's appointment
by myself. Thing is,
how can you deny him
when you named him? You gave him your middle name.
You gave him your last name. So you gave him the
last name Black. Did you sign the
birth certificate? No, ma'am, I'm not on
any birth certificate... JUDGE LAKE: <i> But you
just gave him the name.</i> BLACK: <i> I didn't
give him the name,
she gave him the name.</i> <i> I didn't agree
to anything.</i> <i> She put my name on
a hospital birth certificate,</i> she gave him my name. I'm just doubtful all over,
Your Honor. I mean... All I really wanted
to do in the beginning
was have sex anyway. That's all it was. AUDIENCE: Whoa! It was just a one-time
thing that happened, and a baby
came out of it,
which is a blessing, but at the same time,
I need to know if he's mine. I'm not trying to sit
here and be paying
for somebody's other baby. JUDGE LAKE: And so... To date... He hasn't been
there for the child. No, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE:
So your feeling is, "I'm not connecting
myself to this child. "I'm not contributing a dime. "I'm not "doing anything that would
remotely look like
I'm stepping up to the plate <i> "as a father for this baby</i> <i> "until I know for
certain that it's mine."</i> Yes, Your Honor. So, Ms. Rockmore,
in your statement
to the court, you say it's
been difficult. Yes, Your Honor. Very difficult. Tell me
about that. I... Throughout my whole
pregnancy, I was sick to the point
I was in and out
of the hospital. I spent days
in the hospital. I had to quit my job. AUDIENCE: Aw. You know, just because
that's how sick I was,
I had to quit my job. I was having to ask
my family for money. And everything,
everything like that. And so, since he's born,
what has it been like? ROCKMORE: <i> Like, I just
recently got a job.</i> <i> So it's been
very, very, hard.</i> And how are you
doing for childcare? 'Cause I know
that's expensive. Yes, well, my boss,
he helps me... He helps me out a lot
with the childcare, so... I've been grateful
for that, so... I've been doing okay
with the childcare. And so, as you reach
out to Mr. Black, and talk to him about
the child's needs, and... This is the kind of responses
you're getting every time? Yes, yes, Your Honor. I see you
brought a witness. I'd like to hear from her.
Ma'am, please stand and step up
to the podium. And your name? I'm Ms. Black. You're Ms. Black? Yes, ma'am. And you are? (AUDIENCE MURMURING) I'm his mother. JUDGE LAKE:
You are Mr. Black, the plaintiff's,
mother? Yes, ma'am. AUDIENCE: Whoa! JUDGE LAKE:
Okay. And so, I would love
to hear what you know
about this situation, given the side
of the aisle
you're standing on. MS. BLACK: Right. Your Honor. Yes. I'm his mom and
I am very disappointed. I'm outraged that he would go
this far, to bring this
young lady to court to prove
that's his son. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) I'm here with her
because I do believe
that's my grandson. I raised my son
better than that, to degrade women. If you're good enough to
lay with that woman, then you're good enough
to be there for that woman. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) You know,
I'm just from
the old school. So step up to the plate,
do what you gotta do. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) And so... Ms. Black. Yes, ma'am. Have you developed
a relationship with Javeon? Have you seen the baby? Of course.
Yes, I have, and I love him. You have. MS. BLACK: <i> He...</i> AUDIENCE: <i> Aw.</i> <i> To me, he's my
grandson, whether he</i> <i> pass the test or not.</i> <i> He looks like my other son.</i> <i> He looks like
Richard's three girls.</i> And...
That's my grandson. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) Mr. Black, how does it feel
to hear your mother... Yes, Your Honor. It feels... ...speak so confidently about the fact that
she really believes
that's her grandson. It feels a
little bad, but... I mean, you know a mother.
You know a mother, I mean... I feel like she
should be on my side just because of
the fact that she, she,
she's mine. She's my mother,
but at the same time... That's...
I can't say, I mean. Her being my mom... I mean, we've got children,
I got three girls. I don't think
he looks nothing
like my daughters. I don't think
he looks nothing
like me. I mean, I got a
wife at home,
I'm engaged. I don't need
these problems. AUDIENCE: Whoa! And I'm trying to see
if he is mine,
if he's not mine. This has turned up
in my relationship
at home. I'm trying to move forward
with my life and
what I got going. He's not the only child,
if he is mine,
that I have. So I got
three girls to take
care of and him. So, you know,
I'm trying to stop
all the problems right here, today. That's why I came
to <i> Paternity Court.</i> JUDGE LAKE: Good, good. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) At this point,
I think the only way
to move forward is to get the results. (AUDIENCE CHEERING) Are you ready? Yes, ma'am. Your Honor, that could
be his first son. You know, that could
be his first son. My first grandson. And like I said,
whether the test
reveals it or not, he's still my grandson. In the case of<i>
Black v. Rockmore,</i> when it comes to
four-month-old
Javeon Black, it has been determined, Mr. Black, you are the father. (AUDIENCE CHEERING) All right. All right. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Well, there's a saying
that Mom knows best. AUDIENCE: Yeah! Yes, ma'am, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE:
Feel emotional? I'm so happy. MS. BLACK: <i> I knew
he was my grandson.</i> You know,
mothers know. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) But, Your Honor,
I had to know for sure. JUDGE LAKE:
So now you
have the truth. Yes, Your Honor. What are you
going to do
with it? 'Cause that's really
what this court room
is about. How are you going
to move forward? I'm going to take care of
my son and do what
I need to do. Good. And I see the tears.
You feel emotional. Yeah. Because now, what you
just realized in that moment, that you have a son? Yes, ma'am.
He is mine.
I'm proud of him. I... I mean, you know,
that's my boy. I'm going to take care of him
just like I take care of my
girls. They all get spoiled. JUDGE LAKE: Good. Yes, ma'am. And I'd be glad to have
him on the weekends with the other grandkids. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) And that's just
where he belongs, over at grandma's house,
getting loved up on. Doing probably a few
little things he's not
supposed to do, eating way too
much cake. (MS. BLACK LAUGHING) We all know how that is,
but that's what every
child deserves. I'm so very happy
for you all. He's a beautiful,
beautiful, little boy. Thank you. Congratulations. Court is adjourned. Mr. Kiesel, you say
your marriage depends
on today's paternity results after your wife announced
that the child she is
currently pregnant with may not be yours. You are here to prove
that you are the father, and save your family. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Mrs. Kiesel, you say
it breaks your heart to stand in court
to prove that your husband is not your unborn
child's father. But, you know the truth. Another man is. Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Kiesel. Why are today's results
so important? My marriage
has been
put on the line. A month into our marriage,
she had cheated on me, and it led to where
I might not be the father
of this child. It was supposed to be
a happy, great thing for us,
and it's just caused problems and heartbreak
and lots of issues for us. So, you're supposed
to still be in
the honeymoon-newly-wed phase. And instead of that,
you have a paternity issue. Yes, Your Honor. What is your day-to-day
family life like? It's caused us
a lot of issues. We argue non-stop
about who the father is. If I'm the father,
if he's the father, it just causes a lot of... <i> It causes us
to be very distant
from each other.</i> So, Ms. Kiesel, there's
a lot of arguing going on
in your household? DESTINY: Yes, Your Honor. Explain to the court
how this is affecting you. Um... (SIGHS) It has affected me
in a huge way. Not only just our marriage,
but my pregnancy as well. Because it's hard for me
to necessarily... I mean, yes,
I'm excited for it, but it makes it harder
when there's so much stress
put into the pregnancy. Um, rather than being
everybody together, you know, having a good time,
for like a baby shower... Say, we were supposed
to have a baby shower. That ended up
getting canceled because both of the possible
fathers' families
wanted to be there. And that was
just difficult. Oh. So, it's put a lot
of stress on me as well. I understand
that I made the mistakes. But it has put
a lot on me as well because of, you know,
not being able
to fully enjoy my pregnancy like a mother should. I need to ask you this. What in the world would
possess you to cheat
on your husband one month
after your wedding day? Um, we really rushed
into a relationship. We had been
dating on and off. But it was back and forth
with my ex and him. Um, we both have
broke up a couple of times while we were dating. And then when we got married,
it just was kind of a "Let's go
do this" kind of thing. JUDGE LAKE: Got it. It was like,
"Let's do it today." So, we did, and I just
feel like we might have
got married a little too young. Not necessarily young,
but quick. Um, so that, I think,
has a big effect
on it as well. Because I wasn't
fully over my ex. So, how soon after this
cheating happened did you find out
you were pregnant? Um, just a couple
of weeks later. It was around April 1st
that I had... Oh, no, sorry.
The end of March,
I found out I was pregnant. My husband and I
were trying to have a baby. Anyway, so, we had been
taking a test once a week. And I happened to take one
and it was positive. And at first, I was really
happy and excited. And then just a couple
of seconds later, it hit me that I'm about
to have to tell him something
no husband wants to hear. So, you found out
you were pregnant first, and then you knew
you had to tell your husband. Yes. Because you knew
there was a possibility
this other man could also be... Your ex could be the child's
biological father. Yes, Your Honor. And so, Mr. Kiesel,
describe what happened when you take
this pregnancy test
with your wife, this test you've been
doing once a week because you hoped
to conceive a child, and after this moment of
"Yes, we're pregnant!" you have to get the news
that,"Oh, no,
but you cheated." It was crushing. We had been trying
for a while and she
was in the bathroom, she walked out
crying and told me
she was pregnant. And I asked
why she was crying, and she told me
that there's a possibility
that I might not be the father. And I just
broke down myself. And it was heartbreaking
that this thing that was
supposed to be great... We'd been trying,
we finally got it, and I might not even
be the father of it. So, once you found out
you were pregnant,
what did you say to yourself? Did you say, "Okay, let me
figure out a conception window "and let me figure out
who I was with
during that time"? Yes, Your Honor.
I got a conception window. JUDGE LAKE: Take me
through that process. Okay, I got a conception date,
April 1st, at my first... It wasn't really
a doctor's appointment,
I had started spotting. So, we went
to the emergency room to confirm that I
was even pregnant because we just
had a home test done. So, April 1st, I went
to the emergency room. And did they give you
your conception date? Yes, they did, Your Honor.
It was March 8th. March 8th. And now, Mr. Kiesel,
when were you intimate
with your wife? We were intimate
on the 8th. JUDGE LAKE: You were? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Okay,
so that's gonna be
a 'K' for Mr. Kiesel. I gotta ask you this,
Ms. Kiesel. When were you intimate
with your ex? Which day? The 7th and the 9th. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING) JUDGE LAKE: Okay. JUDGE LAKE:<i> So, I don't
think I have to say</i> that these dates
are very close
in proximity. So, Ms. Kiesel,
are you certain
about these days? Yes, Your Honor, because
on the 9th, I actually
got in a car wreck and I had been taken
to the hospital, and then later that night...
That's how I
remember the 9th. And that I just remember
that two days prior was also. But, the 8th, he wasn't
around on the 8th. I know that for sure
because he was working. So, Mr. Kiesel, are you sure
of the date you gave the court?
March 8th? DUNCAN:<i> I'm
almost positive of it.</i> And so, you believe,
despite these dates
being so close in proximity, that you are
the child's father? I do, Your Honor. Tell the court why. We have a nose
that looks a lot alike. Mine goes down
and then bubbles
at the end. <i> And with the ultrasounds
that we had, the child
had the same kind of nose.</i> You believe
that by looking
at this ultrasound, it appears that you have
a similar nose to the child. And we have
fat upper lips. <i> I see it
in the ultrasound as well.</i> DESTINY:<i> Your Honor.</i> JUDGE LAKE:<i> Yes.</i> I hope he is the dad. I want our marriage to work,
and I want everything
to be fine. And well, not fine,
'cause we're still gonna
have to work on, you know, the dishonesty
and stuff like that, but I do hope
he is the dad. And I hope, you know,
things turn out
for the best. But, regardless... But you understand
that a hope is not proof. A hope is not evidence. Yes, Your Honor. So, you say you believe
the child is not his. You hope it is,
but you believe
it is not. I have strong doubt,
Your Honor. You do,
and that's because... DESTINY:
The conception date. Do you remember being
intimate with your husband
on March 8th? I honestly don't
remember, Your Honor. The only reason I remember
the ex is because of it being
on the day of the car wreck. JUDGE LAKE: And then
you remembered you'd also had sex with him
two days before. Yes, and he was
not there on the 8th,
because he was working. So, Mr. Kiesel,
are you just hoping
you are the father? But you really
don't have any proof. Anything you can
really hang your hat on? Honestly, I have
a cleft chin. And in some of the pictures,
it's a little hard to see, but it's a very
dominant trait. And I was born
with bilateral clubfoot
and my father was and my two brothers
were as well, so,
it seems to run in my family. Whenever we were going
through ultrasounds
and having that done, it actually looked like
his feet might have had
some deformities in it as well. <i>So that's another reason
I also thought that the child
would be mine.</i> Okay, so you're seeing
more than just this nose You're saying
from these ultrasounds, you believe that there are
other characteristics
that run in your family. Yes, Your Honor. Your child also has. DESTINY: Your Honor? Yes. We actually took some
of the ultrasounds
to my new doctor, and she actually did
an ultrasound as well. And she did not believe
there was any deformities or anything wrong,
medically, with him. <i> So, that's another...</i> So you're saying that this
clubfoot that he believes
he sees in the ultrasound, you've been told by your doctor
that she did not seem
to see any indication... Yes, Your Honor. Yes. ...of this physical condition. So, Mr. Kiesel,
you talked about that
they run in your family, and many of the other men
in your family
have this characteristic. I want to learn
more about that. Jerome, would you please escort
Dr. Samantha Brown-Parks
into the courtroom? I'd like
to hear from her. JEROME: Watch your step. DR. SAMANTHA: Hi, there. JUDGE LAKE: Hello, Doctor. JUDGE LAKE: Hello.
Thank you so much. Our couple,
Mr. and Mrs. Kiesel
are here, and they are desperately
trying to determine
whether or not Mr. Kiesel is this child's
biological father. He has talked about
having a physical condition that runs in his family,
a clubfoot. And I need to know from you,
is this something
that is hereditary? Is this something you can
diagnose in the womb? Please tell the court
more about this. Okay. So, clubfoot happens
in about one in a thousand
live births in the US. So it's a fairly
common birth defect. One-fourth of those
have a family history of someone in their family
having a clubfoot also. Is it genetic?
Um, it is familial. Meaning that there are
multiple factors. In fact, we know
from a study in 2010 that tells us
on chromosome 17, there's at least
four different genes
that play a role. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. So, you can inherit those genes
from one or both parents. And they can
make you more likely
to develop clubfoot. There's not one gene
in clubfoot. There's
multiple genes. Oh. As far as whether or not
you can diagnose in utero, you can, for sure, see it. At about 20 weeks,
we do an anatomic scan
of the fetus and we look
for abnormalities. So, from the picture
that we've seen, the still shot,
the 2-D shot
of the foot, it's not possible
to tell yes or no. Okay. Because the court did give you
the scans we received, and you were able
to review those. DR. SAMANTHA: Correct. And upon reviewing them,
you don't feel like
you can say. DR. SAMANTHA:<i>
Cannot say yes or no.</i> JUDGE LAKE:<i> Okay.</i> JUDGE LAKE:<i> After hearing
the testimony
of the doctor, Mr. Kiesel,</i> has your opinion changed
as to whether or not
you believe this child is your biological child? Not really,
Your Honor. From what I saw
in the ultrasounds,
I thought I saw the clubfoot. I see many resemblances
between us, and... But have you been honest
with yourself about these feelings
you've had thus far? Meaning, "I want the child
to be mine, I believe
the child is mine, "but I do know
for certain that there
is a very real possibility "that this is not
my biological child"? I understand
the possibilities. I want this child
more than anything. We had been trying
for a child,
and then we finally got it. I missed one appointment
due to work,
and that's all I've missed. And I've been here
every step of the way. This is my child,
and it needs
to be my child. And how does it make you feel
that your wife is saying, "I don't think
you are the father"? That hurts extremely bad,
seeing that I'm there. Instead of it just
being, "You might
not be the father," she's saying
she thinks I'm not. And that dampens
the mood between us. (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) I can imagine. Mrs. Kiesel,
you said earlier
in your testimony, you believe
the child is not his. You hope it is,
but you believe
it is not. Yes, I want him
more than anything
to be the biological father. But we don't
have any proof yet, which is why
we're here today, is to finally settle this,
because afterwards,
there won't be any doubt. No matter which way it goes,
we don't have
to wonder anymore. Absolutely, and I don't
want you to wonder anymore. So I want to
get you these results. Jerome. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) In the case of<i>
Kiesel v. Kiesel,</i> when it comes to the child
Mrs. Kiesel
is currently carrying, it has been determined
by this Court Mr. Kiesel, you are the father. (AUDIENCE CHEERING) I know that
has to feel good. AUDIENCE: Aw. I'm sorry. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) I love you. I love you. How does it feel, sir? DUNCAN: (VOICE BREAKING)
Amazing. (SOBBING) I'm so happy for you. And I know those
are tears of joy. And I can imagine you have
cried the other kinds of tears
up until this point. And that's why I believe
the truth is so special, and so important,
and so necessary. Especially in situations
like these. And I'm so happy
you had the courage
to come here today before the baby was born,
and have this done
and have this settled. So now you all can regain
and reclaim the joy you lost
in the doubt, right? DUNCAN: Yes, Your Honor. Right. And prepare
for the delivery.
