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welcome back my friends today we have got a plinking bullet to test for 223 / 5 5 6 this is a 55 grain Full Metal Jacket boattail from 2 to 3 bulk bullets calm a viewer asked me about these bullets I cannot find where he asked me I don't remember if it was on Facebook or YouTube or email or where it was so whoever recommended these to me I'm sorry I can't remember who you were I know it was a longtime viewer that I should know but I couldn't find our conversation on the topic the funniest thing about this bullet is their website they just kind of whip it out and play with it for page after page after page let's read a few choice quotes from the website here the finest quality and most affordable Bolton bullets made in the USA Bob's bullets Bob Bob says oh no it's one of those possessive plural words that ends with an apostrophe Bob bobs Bubba's but Bob's azuz feel sleepy they bill Steve oh [ __ ] alright we'll just stick with Bob's just know that there's more than one Bob included in that Bob's why do they need two names are they 2:23 vocables comm or they Bob's bullets what do I call it do I go with the long name like every time I refer to the projector I will say the Bob's is bullets from 2 to 3 boss bullets calm I don't know left work that out as we go here but yes so this website just let us keep reading Bob's bullets produces only the finest quality match great bulk two to three bullets reloading supplies for demanding target shooters and competitive marksmen you will not find a more superior bulk reloading bullet at this price anywhere the precision and forethought that goes into our manufacturing process gives Bob spoke two to three bullets the very best accuracy available on the reloading market you're pumping me up here guys you're selling me have frickin eight cent five five six bullet you know we can tone this down a little bit because all you're really doing at this point is setting me up for massive disappointment reading these I mean these these should shoot like Ciera match Kings so we haven't made it over they've got a page on the site called why use Bob's bullets where they kind of just continue the fellatio here there's one bullet point that kind of caught my eye it says our high-quality total copper Full Metal Jacket reduces bullet jump it increases speed and accuracy while reducing barrel wear that bit about bullet jump kind of just jumped out at me like well what's that about so we're going to circle around we're going to investigate that a little bit the rest of the crap seems like hyperbole so that's where we sit we've got this bullet with these grandiose claims so we're going to give them a try and see if they'll shoot there is a little bit of a weird marked mark near the tip of the bullet show you some of these guys just that little round mark up there near the nose all the bullets habit and all of the pictures that I can see on their website they have it so I guess their dies just leave that little mark on the board I don't know if it designed or if it's just a thing or whatever I don't think it's going to be a problem it was just something that jumped out at me before we get into load data let's look at our overall length because that bullet jump claim on their website kind of piqued my interest what I wanted to do was just determine what our maximum overall length is with this bullet in my gun so what I use is you know a little case just like you've probably seen me do a lot of times there's a little case that has that has been resized and then just had a slit cut down the neck with the-- with a dremel tool and you barely put a bullet in and then you finish seeding the bullet in the gun right like the push it in till it hits the rifling and then it will just push the bullet deeper into the case and if you do this over and over and over you get a lot of weird readings this is not really the best way to do this reading but it's good enough for the standard reloader like us right we're not trying to split hairs here we just kind of want to get an idea make sure we're I'm going to jam the bullet into the lands as we get to reloading so I went through this process 10 to 15 times or so with this bullet and use multiple bullets and I found that in my gun which is a white oak armament barrel chambered in chambered in two to three wild that I hit the lands right about a two point two six five inch overall length a lot of you know like I said there's a little bit of machinist here with these readings I got a lot of numbers in that upper 2.26 area two point two six seven two points two six eight basically between two point two six five and two point two seven zero was the number I was getting most most often so this is going to work out just about perfect right because all our maximum overall length because of the magazine is two point two six zero if I'm hitting the lands at two point two six five that means I could stay magazine length and be only five thousands off the lands that's pretty dope that can lead to some accuracy no doubt about it so I took a couple of pictures here I've got one with the board at two point two six zero you know ceded to a depth of two point two six zero or an overall length of two point two six zero so you see the the kala lure is not quite down to the case mouth but it looks like there's plenty of bullet inside that neck you know I think we could seed the bullets to this depth and be in pretty good shape if we wanted to so the next picture is an overall length of two point two three five I think this is what I'm going to go with as kind of our as our overall length number lines up nicely with the candle or very nice bullet depth and you know contact between the bearing surface and the neck of the case it all looks good so I think two point two three five is what I'll go with for the standard overall length now that should give us about a thirty thousand to jump to the lands of my rifling which is not too shabby not too shabby at all so out of curiosity I pulled out some fifty five grain Hornady Full Metal Jacket boat tail bullets here's a look at those two bullets side-by-side they're really not close right pretty drastically different boat tail design different ogive shape so this is not a clone of what we've come to the normally find for bulk 55 green bullets now whenever I take the Hornady bullet and do a maximum overall length measurement in my gun I come up at it right around 2.3 inches so that basically says for any given overall length the Hornady will have about 35 thousands of additional jump then this Bob is bullet whether any of this is going to matter whether it's going to translate into good accuracy we don't know yet but you know that line on the website just made me want to look at this a little bit closer now like I mentioned my gun has got a 223 Wylde chamber which by my ignorant understanding of the situation it's got the shorter throat of a 223 so what I did is I grabbed my Colt le 69 20 which is a five five six chambered AR and I tested the maximum overall link in that gun it was two point three six five exactly a hundred thousands of additional jump in my five five six chamber when compared to my 223 Wylde chamber so that's about that's kind of where we stand I think this might this might explain something you know if we're going to see some good accuracy this limited jump might be part of it I don't know but I think well okay now let's move on to discuss low data right Bob's bullets doesn't exactly have a loading manual for you so you're on your own for load data so the first thing I did pulled out the good old Hornady manual they always have a nice selection of powders you know in the common caliber this is their two 23:55 grain section and I just kind of look down the list and said yeah you know I feel like shooting some popular powders today so what I've picked out is Hodgson h 335 and Hodgson target I'm thinking these guys should do okay they're both in the Hornady manual and also the other thing which is the greatest thing hanshan has ever thought to do in the universe right they put load data right on the freaking powder bottle so when you're standing at the store wondering what in the hell this powders for it gives you some idea that's so awesome I wish every bottle of powder had that or at least like some of the accurate you know the Western powders accurate and rain shop powders I think they have a little blurb that to tell you you know which which cartridges it works best in or whatever but yeah what alliant you're just there's no information at all on the bottle and you're just left wondering so we've got load data 455 grain 223 bullets on both of the labels here so while it's not perfect it's not a direct specific load data for bob's two to three bulk bullets it's still a lot of things to take into consideration we've already looked at you know we saw that that Hornady design is a lot different in this design so we don't want to just grab our max loads do the same thing in with Bob's bullets and hope we don't blow our face off we can be a little bit smarter than that the other thing that's on our side this is just a plinking load we don't need freaking crazy screaming velocity we just need good function with our guns and good accuracy that's what it's all about so we'll be keeping our max charges well below what they show on the bottle and what even Hornady shows which is kind of hazard has a reputation of being a little bit conservative on their data so this is this is all good news for us we're shooting an unknown first time that's perfectly good what I came up with is with Hodgdon h 335 I want to shoot 21 grains up to 23 grains will shoot 1/2 grain increments so the bottle shows a max charge of twenty five point three grains so we're a couple grains below what the bottle says and the Hornady manual shows a max charge of twenty three point two grains so we're just barely under the Hornady number but I really like that starting charge of twenty one point zero that's going to be nice and light and we should be able to work these up half grain half grain jumps are pretty big but I'm thinking that will still be okay we should be able to work up and catch it if we run into major pressure issue the second powder is Hoxton bargain I want to shoot 24 to 26 grains same deal half grain increments the bottle shows 27.5 grains so we're a grain and a half below what the bottle says will max for that bullet and Hornady goes up to twenty six point four grains so we're point four grains under what Hornady calls Max and I think that's going to be good so looking at the max overall length with this bullet and finding out that we're really pretty darn close to my lands I want to do one more series of loads and I want to do an overall length of two point two six zero and I want to do it with Varg it will shoot the exact same loads 24 to 26 grains but I want to do it at that two point two six zero inch overall link that's only going to be about five thousands off my lands and I think it'll be fascinating to see what the difference is between the two point two three five inch overall length and the two point two six zero and overall length for primers I forgot to pull out primers there we are we'll go ahead and stick with what we know what we use a lot here with 223 the CCI number forty one primers having said that I do want to do some some primer testing pretty soon with 223 because now we got a really nice shooting platform with our white oak armament barrel it might be time to start looking into the different primers kind of like we have previously in 300 blackout I want to kind of bring a similar test to 223 but that's not today today is all about bombs bullets and we are using CCI number 41 primers brass is going to be FC 223 so federal 223 brass same batch of brass we've been using for quite some time and here's the deal two to three fully prepped that is a damn lie this brass is not at all prepped all it has been fired D primed and wet tumbled so this stuff needs sighs possibly trimmed and all of that junk so today's video is going to be an extended and extended look we're going to look a little closer I'm going to walk you guys through my brass prep here so this video is going to be a little bit long we're kind of going to whip it out play with it here today eight right this is going to be the long format I've gotten into that 20 to 25 minute bullet testing video range where you know things are compacted a little bit this one's going to be old school man we might hit an hour and a half I don't know we're just going to take our time we're going to show stuff those of you who maybe haven't started reloading yet one a little bit more detail this is going to be your video so we've got a bunch of brass prep to do here before we get into any powder and or bulletin or any of that oh one thing really quick on the Bob is bullets they did come packaged just in a in a bag in a little box I'm totally fine with it it was kind of splitting at the seams a little bit and definitely full but when I'm getting an 8-cent bullet I don't exactly expect nice packaging so I just popped them into a yep a leftover bullet box we've all got these laying around only I did purchase the 250 pack so I paid a lot for these I paid fourteen point four cents apiece the price drops very quickly as you go up in quantity for five hundred pieces it's like ten and a half cents and then if you order a thousand pieces then you're under two eight cents seven point nine cents if you order a thousand seven point seven cents if you order five thousand I just didn't want to end up with a thousand crappy bullets if these things suck hopefully they don't suck man hopefully at the end of this video I'm looking back all of my hateful and cynical comments and we can call me a dumbass for not believing that these are going to be awesome bullets but I'm just I'm still go on in skeptical brother we're going in skeptical brass crap is el numero uno as I mentioned before I have already popped the primers out and run these guys through the wet tumbler so the vast majority of the goo has been removed the next step is going to be resizing these guys and what I like to do for resizing I've got these big I've got these big plastic bins like this there we go brass in the bin and then I've got some lanolin case Lube that I've made incorrectly you can see that it settles a little bit I bought the wrong lanolin so I have to shake mine up a little bit every time actually shake quite vigorously you're supposed to buy the liquid lanolin which mixes a whole lot easier I bought the non-liquid lanlan because I'm an idiot so that's it a couple of sprays onto our brass and then we just shake them around to get all of that evenly coated sometimes you know later on throw another spritz in there but these lanolin lubes which you know you don't have to make your own you can buy Dylan and Frankfurt Arsenal both make lanlan based caseloads like this that you just spray on this is good for bulk stuff so I need to let the alcohol dry off of these guys shake them around a little bit more and then we'll be ready for resizing here in just a second all right my 223 dyes are reading this is my small base pulling sizing dial there it is brass goes up in there if there's a primer in there that little guy pops it out and this guy's going to size that case down to down to size so it should fit in pretty much any chamber so with very few exceptions resizing guys are installed and set up the same way we've got our reading number ten shell holder in the press nice fit with our 223 brass so like I said the resizing guys are all pretty much set up the same you screw it down until the bottom of the die touches the shell holder and then you drop your shell holder and go an additional a quarter turn or so you kind of can feel it whenever all the slop is definitely get being worked out of the press here as the RAM comes to the top and you feel a little bit of a cam camming action with your with your press handle tighten it down and that's good right the biggest danger at this step are stuck cases and I have stuck many a case in my day I'm not going to deny it but with the land alone lubes generally does a really nice job so up and down no problems whatsoever we want to look for dents in the shoulder because if you go too heavy on the lube the lube pulls up inside of the dye around that neck and you get hydraulic dents in your neck from the pulled up lube which is not good which it's not it's not like a devastating problem you can go ahead and shoot them normally and it'll fire form right out and you'll be just fine but you want to avoid them if you can I usually get some we get a few because I like to be you know I'd rather be slightly over lubed and slightly under lubed but one problem with this die let me pop it out real quick and I'll show you if you look around the threading on this die there's nothing to see there right yeah that's exciting let me grab a yeah I think mine our CBS 300 blackout die has one let me show you what it's got see that little hole as far as I know that's what that's for is to relieve pressure inside of there around that shoulder so that excess Lube can have a little place to go or get some relief and instead of denting your shoulder the air and stuff escapes out of there that's always been my understanding of the situation and because of that like I well 300 blackout doesn't really have enough shoulder to dip anyway so that may not be a very good example but with this 223 die I do get a lot more dented shoulders than in a lot of my other cars is all right so now it's time to rock and roll and try to get through all these guys and generally get into a flow and move them pretty quickly here I do see a little bit of build-up going on in there let me do a couple more and I'll show you real quick here we go see the white crap that's excess Lube from up inside the dye that's generally a kind of a bit of a little bit of a warning sign that you're heading towards some shoulder dense before too long so I may have gone a little bit overboard with the lube what I've done in the past if I really over lube and it became a problem is you can just grab a grab a rag or a paper towel there we go so this one and just kind of wipe that neck and shoulder portion just a little bit a lot of times just doing it every every few rounds can help out a little bit so that's really all there is to resizing brass so let me get through these guys and then we'll move on to trimming or at least we'll check to see whether we need trimming or not I think we're probably going to need to primp it's about that time so I'll see you guys here in just a minute so one thing I could mention here during the resizing process this is when your brass is going to stretch so you never want to trim your brass before resizing unless unless you know what you're doing I don't know maybe somehow you can justify that or make it work in your process but as a general rule you want to trim after sizing and I'll show you one here just grab ourselves a random piece of brass all right this guy is very short one point seven three five let's resize it one point seven four four so this guy stretched almost ten thousand let's do another one here okay this one is one point seven four two two one point seven five zero is the normal trim length with 223 I think visa there you go one point seven four seven we'll look at them a little bit closer here once I finish resizing but these may not need it these may not need any trimming all right so I've just finished you know finished up our resizing and now we need to determine whether or not these need trimmed and it doesn't look like they are are trembling with two to three is one point seven five zero right an inch and three quarters pretty easy to remember and the maximum length one point seven six zero ten thousandths longer so most of these are actually still short of trim lengths most of them are coming out at this one point seven forty five to one point seven five zero so I can get at least one more firing before we need to trim these guys one thing that I should mention is the the resizing process is really this is your your best opportunity to spot damaged or screwed up cases and get them out and I actually did run into one had a case went to resize it and it felt very very weird there's no way for me to explain it to you if you haven't experienced it you just got to experience it it'll just feel different and I immediately took that case out and found a big old gnarly split neck that's a good one too so that is obviously a screwed up case and not only you know this guy's going to get pulled out but this now flag this is the first neck failure I've had in this batch of brass which I think we fired three or four times at this point something like that but it's now on my mind and if I start seeing additional neck failures maybe the next time through will just pitch this for this batch of brass and move on to something else if two to three brass is too cheap to shoot crappy brass that's the longest one I've seen one point seven five six here's what I'm going to do I don't want to measure every single one of these but what I want to do is I'm going to put my calipers at one point seven five five so that's five thousand short of max and we'll lock them down and then just use this as a gauge and just run them through here as quickly as I can and make sure that they all fit through and any that don't we'll go ahead and trim so let me run through these real quick oh we may have one already good and then I'll so that's a long I'll just set it over here to the side and we'll see how big that collection gets all right so we had exactly 20 pieces that did not fit through our 1.75 5 gage we had 10 that are actually over maximum length of one point seven six zero and then we had 10 that fell between that 55 and 60 range so let's just let's go ahead and trim all of these guys now a small little batch what would be perfect is the Lee case length gage and shell holder kit second yeah I have these for a lot of different calibers I can there's one for 243 you guys didn't you know I reloaded 243 ought to do that someday problems I don't really have an exciting gun for 243 but I'll get back to the original theme here I do not have one for 223 which sucks this would be a really quick easy cheap way we are going to use this big contraption instead this is my Frankfort Arsenal case trim and prep Center I got to get this beast set up [Music] good deal now that's a pretty clean cut but there are still some birds on the inside and outside of the case mouth so what I want to do next with these 20 is go ahead and use our chamfer and deburring tools which you can use hand-held job like this or if you've got one of these you can use this you might be asking yourself why didn't he do this while he was trimming right should have been trim and then Chamber and the reason is because I'm an idiot yeah so at this point these 20 cases can rejoin their family here and now we know that none of them none of them are over max length the wipe of our brass shavings real quick so this at this point you would also want to any military crimps on your primers all of this brass has already been reloaded so we did that long ago but you know sometimes you get a little crimp around the primer that they use you see it in pretty much all five five six ammo and some two to three ml like this stuff this FC two to three headstamp add crimps or at least some of them did and it's not really something we need to worry about if you wanted to well I guess I should talk about the plan for my brass like mine there's fifty million ways to do this and they're alright whatever works best for your workflow what I want to get to is a big jug of brass that is ready for primer powder and bullets that I can just sit back here grab 50 do a video and then move on to the next 50 so the problem with the brass as it sits right now is it is still completely covered in lanolin and a lot of people will claim that the the lanolin doesn't really cause any problems with contaminating your primers or powder I haven't tested that enough or at all myself to to be able to say one way or the other what I like to do is go ahead and put these back into the wet tumbler just for about 15 minutes really hot water you know it's as hot as I can get tap water a bunch of soap a good little shot of lemon and it strips off that lanolin really nicely in about 15 minutes now the nice chamfer and deburr that we just did on our newly trimmed cases I don't know if that's one of them or not but when when it goes through the wet tumbler one more time that's going to get messed up a little bit so I don't want to go through the whole lot at this point and chamfer and deburr the case I want to do that last I want to do that after we get rid of the lanolin on them because I've really found that the chamfered inside the case mouth gets buggered up enough to where the bullets don't seat quite as nicely if you have tumbled it after you chambered it does that make any sense at all I don't know but that's where we're headed in this process but if you needed to do any other stuff now would be the time like uniforming primer pockets if you wanted to uniform your primer pocket if you wanted to deburr your flash holes you know I can't get rid of the birds and the flash holes anything else that causes loose brass shavings I want to get that get out of the way now before we run them through the tumbler one more time but in my case there's nothing left these guys are ready to go back into the tumbler to get rid of the lanolin so I'll see you guys after that's done okay where were we I've been loading for your blackout for a couple of hours so I'm a little lost we trimmed the pieces of brass that needed trimmed and then we put everything back in the tumbler to get the lanlan off of it that's what we did so the only other function I want to do or the only other operation I want to do on these guys is to chamfer the inside of the case mouth most of these the the outside is fine like unless I see it's basically still chamfered from last time so I'm going to hit the inside just to you know so the bullets eat nice and smooth but the outside I'm only going to hit it if the if the case mouth is a little bit buggered up and it's very easy to feel booger it up case mouths as you run through them you know you'll feel it grab and stick and it'll feel weird but the ones with the ones that are in good shape I'm just going to leave alone so I need to hit what do we need 75 rounds we already talked about all the load data right I think we did yeah we talked about all the load data we talked about shooting the additional 25 shots with var get at two point two six zero inches of overall length so yeah I think I've run out of stuff to talk about here so let me get these 75 cases ready to go and we'll be ready for primers all right we are going to be using my RCBS hand priming tools so we need to get primers into this guy I need 75 primers and I need to get it from two different packages so this is always fun so there's 60 coming out of this guy flip it over oh yeah all right there's one package down haven't spilled anything yet okay another few crap I'm a couple short there we go I think that's the right count hopefully shake them up to flip them over there's always one together then you try to put this on without them flipping over on you again which is nearly impossible sometimes if you get it just right and go fast nope that's what you normally end up with is they flip back over and then you got to kind of pry it up a little bit and shake it this is a source of great frustration for me there we go all right I think they're all pointing the right way you know what I think I'm going to do I'm getting a little bit tired of hand Primal I love hand priming that's what I always have always done is primarily hand priming but I think I want to get one of those lead bench priming jobs those are pretty cheap and look like they would do a nice job at least I think so a couple things you're looking out for when you're priming well it's another chance to handle the brass so you want to look for splits and stuff that may have got passed yet during the resizing process you're looking for primer pockets that are sloppy like they can't all be perfect right especially when freezing range pick up brass and stuff like that sometimes they don't all have the same tightness but any that are very loose where it feels like the primer just falls into the pocket and bottoms out with hardly any force you want to go ahead and call that piece of brass throw in the trash remove that live primer throw it in the trash and priming brass is all about feeling it kind of feel it go in not forcing it there we go and you fill it bottom out just give it some good pressure drag your finger across it to make sure it seated deep enough and that's kind of how I do primers not much else to say about that so as soon as I can get through this this will be kind of the normal state I normally start at in my recent bullet testing videos is the brass preps pretty much done we're ready for powder and bullets so that's next I'll see you guys when we're ready to start weigh in powder okay H 335 is going to be our first powder and I'm going to use my powder measure to throw them close and then trickle them the rest of the way up so usually when I'm first setting my powder measure what I'll do is take that opportunity to fill up my trickler although this is 21.4 almost perfect got lucky there let's go in about a half a turn double-check my zero on the scale there we go twenty point four all right so I guess we'll just have to fill up the powder measure that way and this stupid little scale little scale that I reviewed just a couple videos ago the woaw I'll know whatever the I'll leave a link back up there and at the end of this video but this scale is continuing to impress the crap out of me I've been used it quite a bit here lately because I picked up a brand new jump pro 350 hang on say hang out actually it's a gym pro 300 this guy it was not cheap it was a similar similar price to the gym pro 250 that I've been using for for quite some time now and I thought maybe this was a slightly bigger beefier version it's got a nicer display so I wanted to try it out it has been given me problems every time I've tried to use it for reloading I've had problems so I am pretty close we're going to have a video on this guy really soon and I'm at this point I'm thinking that this might not be a very good scale for reloading so in the meantime I've fallen back to using this little you know $20 scale and my beam scale and this thing is impressing the crap out of me like it is always right on the money it's zero does not drift so I mean all of the good stuff that I said about it during the review man it's I'm just getting more and more fond of it maybe I'll have to do a follow-up video about it giving it a little bit more praise but it's always right on the money and it is surprisingly good with for trickling like it's been working pretty well for me alright what's our first letter 21 grains I need a funnel there's my funnel but that guy out there okaythat's 20.2 so to get our trickler Prime here a little bit I'll tell you exactly what makes this scale really awesome is that it's fast it is very fast to update so we're especially if you were trickling a large amount actually I'll just I'll trickle this whole next charge it's like if you do really fast trickling so if you're in the middle of trickling a ton and then you just stop almost all the scales I have experience with I mean you've got probably a full second too late before it really settles down and gives you the final reading this thing keeps up with you so it's very easy to kind of creep up on a number see if I how close I can get to 21 in fast mode there's 18 19 20 point 6 this probably would have been a lot more compelling if I had given you a look at the screen at 21 point 0 so it's just been impressing me all right so first 5 charges are laid out like to give it a visual inspection make sure we see that powder keep a little flashlight around you're not going to spot small mistakes but you'll definitely spot a double charge or an empty case that's what you're looking for here and everything looks fine so what I like to do is go ahead and just seat bullets if I'm you know hand weighing charges like this once I get a row of charges I like to go ahead and seat the bullets because I'm prone to spilling powder everywhere or mixing up somehow it's just a lot easier for me to go row by row here so let's see how these guys seat nice little boat tail they sit down into the case pretty nicely and I like that because you know these five charges I've got laid out I like to as soon as I visually inspect them I like to go ahead and cover them with bullets so your bullets eating guy is where you know the individual die instructions vary quite a bit with this Forester we raise the RAM and screw this guy in as far as we can and then we back it out at least one turn is what the directions tell you so there's one turn and then I like to go a little bit farther to where I can see the see the labels on the micrometer adjustment portion so let's back this guy out a little bit there we are that ought to be plenty and let's see this may not even make contact note doesn't feel like it even make contact so I'm going to loosen up the coarse adjustment and screw it down until I feel it hit the bullet there we go actually I'm going to go a little bit farther all right we're not even close to the candle or so there's four full turns that should be about a hundred thousands so two point two three five was our initial number right two point yep we are two point two four seven so we're only twelve thousands away so let's go ahead and just go to twelve thousand five ten eleven twelve there we go okay let's see if we get consistent overall length numbers if we seat a couple of them the bullets feel very smooth when they're seaton nothing to complain about there okay two point two four zero 38 38 35 and 37 so let's go down three more thousandths because two point two three eight was the most common number in there okay 37 35 perfect 35 perfect 32 little short and 33 good so a couple thousandths of variation there an overall length which is nothing to be surprised or concerned about so this is what it looks like there we just barely got to the can lure but I'm not too concerned about that but you can definitely go a little bit shorter if you wanted a little bit better alignment with the Candler but we're close enough all right now let's see I think we will use the Glee Factory crimp die this is one of those guys where the round goes up inside and then the four segments all close in together to kind of squeeze it right there at the case mouth I always have to drop something oh crap found it found it found it then I bump the camera maybe not okay whatever but you get the idea of what's going on there right this bottom part squeezes up and those four segments all squeeze together so setting these is a bit of a shaky science what I found works best is to stand up and look down inside at those four segments and how much they are compressing and get it to where they're closing a little over halfway now we're guiding tighten down the lock ring and from this point it's about feel so you run a case up in there slowly and easily and kind of try to get a feel for how much tension is going on there feels like that's too heavy like I never made a full stroke it just feels like it's a little too heavy of a crimp so let's lighten it up a little bit okay so that that gave a little bit of a squeeze yep that works so that's a it feels pretty light and that's what I'm looking for first five rounds are done okay our h3 35 loads are done so it's time to empty the powder measure I guess I could show you that got a nice big funnel take the whole thing off the stand and dump it in now I'm super paranoid about powder hidden stuck you know especially those itty-bitty little powders love to get themselves stuck so I generally like bang this thing around kind of really make sure that everything's out of there and that's pretty much it all right so h3 35 is ready to go off the table here and Varg it and you know what I better grab a full pound there's probably enough here but I don't want to get down to the and need to switch lot numbers of powder so let me go get a fresh pound all right there we go that's better all right so I'm switching to Bourget and other than the fact that it runs crappier through a powder measure I guess I can show you that we're whipping it out play with it right this is a junior be verbose addition so all right so our little super scale bring it back into the party here and you know what just for the heck of it let's test it again with some check weights 20.0 now that's actually a 10/10 point zero 30 point zero so it's weighing perfectly our first charge of target is twenty four grains so I know that's going to be a little bit farther out than our H three thirty-five number note too far that's twenty seven point eight yeah that's the problem with you know big extruded stick powders like this is the the mechanism gets hung up in the powder measure but when your trick them to trickling them to final weight it doesn't matter alright so from this point forward there is nothing new there is nothing exciting just need to weigh out the powder see the bullets and we're on the range so unless something interesting happens I will just see on the range okay guys it's time to see if our Bob's bullets are going to shoot so this is our gun this is an 18 inch white oak armament SP our barrel Silencerco Omega suppressor with a Colt AK suppressor cover on there that likes to slip a lot hopefully it doesn't give us problems today the rest of the upper parts are Palmetto State Armory we've got a 4 to 16 by 44 vortex scope and I grabbed the lower from my 6.5 Grendel so we're actually using a Magpul PRS stock and CMC three and a half pound trigger my Caldwell chronograph is out there targets out at 100 yards so let's see if these guys are going to shoot okay first up is 21.0 grains of h3 35 the gun is completely clean and completely cold right now haven't had any warm-up shots or anything like that so see how it goes okay so the sights look good but I am a big fat idiot and I forgot to open my gas block back up when I was cleaning it I shut off my adjustable gas block and forgot to open it back up so I need to go run and get a tool that piece of brass went nowhere which speaking that piece of brass it looks great no pressure signs to speak of okay let's try this again that's a pretty good start see our velocity was 2469 with a twenty two point eight feet per second standard deviation spread of fifty eight okay no pressure signs on the brass so we are moving on 21.5 grains is next so the shade on the target is making it difficult for me to spot the holes but that's a that's a good group Ignis they're definitely not awful okay next up twenty two point zero twenty two point five pretty incredible performance so far last up with age 335 is 23.0 grains velocity still nice and low you know we're in the upper 2600 s so the brass looks fine but at these velocity levels you certainly wouldn't expect pressure problems out of H 335 so alright 23.0 alright so it also kind of fell apart there at the top end huh very strange but let's move on to Hodgdon VAR get our first load is twenty four point zero grains okay moving on to twenty four point five I'll hide another good group tell you what if you're wondering why not more enthusiastic about shooting these awesome groups with these bullets I am on the inside it is so hot out here right now temperature in the 90s and the humidity is really bad so I'm just sweating my butt off I'm trying to blink sweat out of my eyes between shots and stuff and it's just hard to it's hard to comment on what's going on but you know what the groups are good so we'll just focus on the shooting out here and then we'll get back to the bench where it's cool and that's where we'll do our celebrating everything's good so far so moving on to 25.0 grains of argot 25.5 okay no pressure signs so moving on to 26.0 oh god I got to buy a whole lot more of these bullets before you guys buy them all alright now it's time to work our way back through our bar get loads except this time we're at at overall length of two point two six zero so twenty-five thousands more overall length see if it tightens up these horrible groups any first up twenty four point zero drains failure to feed there huh that's weird you know what I'm an idiot I forgot I after I finished the 26 grain load earlier I went down 1 click on my gas block since all my all my brass was going to about about 2 o'clock so that's what happened here it looks like we only lost about 10 feet per second with the longer overall length that's good so let's move on 24.5 grains [Music] okay 25.0 so it doesn't look like this longer overall length getting them a little bit closer to the lands is really going to help 25.5 alright so much for this gas block setting I'm gonna have to go back to the old setting on the gas block here didn't lock the bolt back all right next up 26.0 yeah that one did feed either screw it I'm gonna have to move it right now so since our groups that the other overall length we're already really good and it doesn't look like these two point two six zero groups are going to improve on it I've been trying to shoot a little bit faster to see what might happen to the groups as the gun heats up this is definitely the hottest I've ever had it it's warm it is definitely warm but still seems to be group grouping okay all right four more shots all right finish to the hump with a good group so let's get inside where it's cool freakin dying out here guys I swear on my life I had not shot any of these bullets before these were my first 75 shots with these bullets all of the joking around about their website earlier was a genuine reaction to the claims on their website I thought it was crazy but these are really really really impressive results just freaking beautiful I've got three three groups here in green that I would consider our best groups of the day there was our 21.5 grain load with h3 35 that was not not bad at all everything on the lower end here with 335 looked great kind of fell apart there at the top you know that that went a little bit nutty there at the top and opened up to around two inches but otherwise yeah 335 didn't look too bad at all it's funny how the bargain was pretty much the opposite so like I said I've got the the good groups in green here the top charge 26.0 grains with both of our Varga tests where our best two groups today at two point two six zero inch overall length yep our two point two six zero inch over length shot a point five eight and the two point two three five inch shot 0.78 and their poor groups some of theirs that got circled red is being our poorer groups we're all down here on the low end two inches or you know two point one inches 2.3 inches and then this one point seven inch or looking bad but it just kind of flew one high there all of these that were bad just kind of had one crazy flyer that screwed up the whole group up here this one was overall pretty bad but the one guy up there really kind of made it worse so overall all of the in betweens the ones that didn't get a circle the average ones they're all between they're all right between an inch and one point four inches that's a good shoot bullet because so if we go back a couple videos ago where we did the initial break-in and accuracy tests of my white oak armament barrel I pulled out three bullets that I knew were crappy that I knew would shoot poor groups the first was the 55 grain varmint nightmare inch and three-quarters to two inches the 62-grain ss109 same deal two inches plus or minus a little bit and then a sixty-four grain Nosler inch and a half to two inches so crappy bullets still shoot crappy in this gun it's a nice barrel but there's only so much a barrel can do for you so I don't think these results are just because you know they were shot with a nice barrel I think these are good shooting bullets so a couple of the things I want to remark on velocity was fine but we've got some room to move up especially like H 335 we should be able to safely get H 335 a little bit faster than that but it kind of looks like accuracies falling apart on the top end so you know we would need to explore that some more and find out whether that's a trend or if this was a fluke but if you were looking for a low volume low cost load you know 21 grams of H 335 did just fine if you want to be the guy who goes to the range and says stuff like oh man my crap ammo that I carried loose in ammo can she it's half-inch groups bro you can be that guy you can be that guy right here all it takes is 26 screens of market in this bullet and you can go be a douchebag all over the place but you'll have the ammo to back it up how awesome is that we are going to do a whole lot more work with this bullet here on the channel this is our new official to 23:00 plinking bullet I just ordered a thousand more because I don't know how big their operation is I think the website said it's just you know two guys named Bob probably you know doing this stuff in their garage or whatever so if we hit them hard they may sell out fast I don't know I don't know what sort of you know what sort of inventory they're keeping over there so I went ahead and bought another thousand bullets before you vultures get over there and I'm just looking forward to exploring all sorts of crap with this bullet I don't know what to think here about our 2.2 6-0 inch groups because man it was getting hot and I was getting tired and I'm afraid that maybe I didn't do the ammo justice but at the same time it was fascinating to watch the velocities which started out on the low end the two point two six zero inch was 11 feet per second slower than the shorter guy and then it went to 9 feet per second the difference but then add 25 brains you'd totally switched over and then the 2.26 zero was faster by 21 feet per second and then 35 and then 54 so just that 25 thousands of overall length totally changed our velocity curve which by my understanding that would mean it totally changed our pressure curve as this load went up so that's a very good illustration of that effect and why you know if there was one warning I guess I would give about this bullet is that you know at least in my chamber we were reasonably close to the lands so if you're loading for multiple guns or you know loading for your own gun for the first time just make sure to check that you're not jamming your rounds into the lands because if you are you can have either the bullets getting pushed into the case which causes a lot more pressure being seated deeper or they're jammed into the lands which can cause pressure problems so that's one thing to be mindful of I'm thinking that maybe two point two to five would be just about the white overall length somewhere between two point two and two point two to five it's probably going to be about where that can lure lines up just perfect and we'll do some additional testing to see you know accuracy at different overall lengths but we finally got a really good cheap platform to test some cool stuff with so if you want to play along at home get your butt over there get you some of these bullets because we're gonna we're gonna have a lot of videos featuring these guys another thing like crimp I'd love to do a 223 crimp video where we found and found ourselves a really good load good shootin load and then through a whole bunch of different crimp levels at it and saw what it did to did accuracy same thing with overall length so so this is our new cheap test bullet so that was 85 bucks I just paid for a thousand so shipped I think it was like fixed six dollars of shipping or seven dollars of shipping so shipped to your door for eight and a half cents a piece this is a this blows my frickin mind man this is the dream so I did some quick math with the 26 grains of argot and the eight and a half cents a piece number that I just got per bullet from this last order so that puts us at about 22 cents per shot here in this video but like I said if you you know get a powder that with the lighter charge weight where you get a few more rounds per pound you know you could trim that down a bit go with some cheaper primers you can trim that down a bit so outstanding performance for under twenty cents around it's pretty freakin sweet so total cost for components here for these 75 shots was about $16.50 which leads perfectly into a quick discussion about patreon you guys need to come check me out at patreon.com slash reloading it's the best way to support the channel here it's based around monthly pledges so a monthly pledge of $2 would have paid for this video paid for the components in this video in well under a year so every little bit helps it adds up very quickly a sincere thing q to everybody who's already checked it out and signed up and I think that wraps up this video so I will see you guys next time

Channel: Johnny's Reloading Bench

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Keywords: guns, shooting, reloading, .223 Remington, 5.56x45mm NATO, AR-15

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Length: 70min 53sec (4253 seconds)

Published: Wed Aug 02 2017