The Forerunners Would Dominate in 40k - HaloHammer Part 2

so last time i discussed my personal favorite sci-fi to sim-4 i said the covenant could survive in the 40k galaxy crucially though i said or at least i meant survive not thrive they wouldn't be winning the great game that is warhammer by any means just staving off to feed and giving the other factions a bloody nose when the situation called for it so despite what you might think i wasn't just fanboying over halo with all my might because i acknowledged that the covenant would be supreme see imperium necron and tyranid fans we can get along until the foreigners show up and wipe the galaxy completely clean that is now i'm just gonna fanboy over halo the foreigners would be a horrible faction to put into 40k because it would be like if you put the war in heaven catan into the modern day setting of the galaxy not the necrons the katan is their own faction i should mention that there's gonna be spoilers for the foreigner series of books so if you haven't read those i would recommend it 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again to world of warships for sponsoring the video download the game now and get ready to wage war across the waves a little bit of background to set the scene first would probably be smart and halo the forwarders were the civilization that made well halo seven of them in fact though before that there were twelve until they got exploded they had roughly three million worlds in their domain and their technology could do pretty much anything you could think of live nearly forever dyson spheres and massive artificial planets if it's a sci-fi megastructure or something like that that the foreigners had at least one of them most likely several they controlled the galaxy nearly without equal fighting and winning a war with ancient humanity and its allies who were nearly as advanced as they were there were also the precursors who seated the galaxy with life before being overthrown by the forerunners not quite related but if you haven't noticed halo loves giving its alien species to scriptures for names there was of course also the flood who finally put the foreigners to the sword after millions of years of dominance but we'll get to them later their empire the acumen a lasted from about 10 million bc to 100 000 bc now if your only knowledge of the forerunners was from the first three games then you'd reasonably think that i've lost my goddamn mind i mean yeah you could tell they were ancient and powerful but there just wasn't enough info on them to assume more than that similar to mankind during the dark age of technology or the pre-fall eldar there just wasn't enough knowledge of the forerunners to get a good picture you could theorize all you want but it'd be just that theory with a few scraps of information to go off of i mean the most you'd see are those shitty sentinels that go down in a few hits or the dynex promethean that can be taken down with five five six rounds this is because you're never fighting the forerunners in the halo games you're fighting a shadow of their shadow in the foreign trilogy of the books and even with some of what we can see in modern halo games they're shown as one of the most powerful sci-fi factions to ever been written at least before we start getting the things like the zealy verse where the big bang is weaponized into a mass-produced assault rifle no i'm not making that up why don't we get the elephant in the room out of the way first no not that one in the blink of an eye everything sentient in the galaxy is dead everything that isn't a necron and maybe the tyranids depending on how close they are to the flood is just gone if you don't happen to be traveling through the warp you're dead depending on how you think it works cask could either be supercharged because of the rapid and simultaneous death across the galaxy the galaxy would be racked with warp storms if not just have a whole new eye of terror created or the chaos gods would all die out because everything feeding them just bit the dust either way just about everything in the material world is gone but here's someone about the halo array that if you haven't read the foreigner trilogy you might not know as much as it was a weapon of last resort that's at its highest power setting did you know you can fine-tune the level of destruction you'd like from it it can be limited to only a single system or even planet so as much as they were the final solution to the flood they're also just stupidly op weapons without killing everyone in the galaxy got a planet you need for strategic reasons but the guard has it fortified to hell and back or the orcs are there in the usual orc number of yes not anymore press a few buttons and now you have a nearly empty rock you could also directly encircle a planet with one because they're just so damn big i don't know why you would want to do it but it was a cool scene in the books when some ancient human realized he had to tokyo drift one around earth to stay alive the foreigners also have the technology to cross the galaxies at will if they feel the need so theoretically they could just float them in and come aboard later to their almost completely empty new galaxy but galactic scale death machines aren't the only advantage they have not even close for example every single foreigner has a smart ai equivalent called an incilla in their bodysuit every last one of them they range in power from health with daily tasks to commanding entire systems of other ai those body suits also make the forerunners biologically immortal to the point that one of them dying is known as being a big deal before the flood got to them anyways but we'll get to that in this regard they were the pre-fall elder without the psychic powers except also their suits could still give them scientific psychic powers look at this bastard he just force pulled the master chief for shits and giggles speaking of master chief he knows power armor the apex of humanity's military technology with shields and armor capable of taking a plasma around to the chest and just keeping on trucking nothing compared to the forerunners it was declared by guilty spark to be roughly the foreign equivalent of a hazmat suit not real armor a hazmat suit even when he went from mark 5 to 6 between the games guilty spark was still like why haven't you upgraded your armor reclaimer do you have that much of a death wish now that your blue stripper friend is gone they had something colloquially called plasma jockeys by other foreigners which are engineers who had the job of taming stars for future engineering projects he'd go in and make sure the star was going to have a solar rejection or anything that would ruin the day for any foreigners nearby working on stuff and just generally helped the forerunners use stars like massive intergalactic legos doing this wasn't a massive foreign or undertaking that required their entire species resources and knowledge to undertake they sent in steve from the i.t department this is what their miners did to get it ready for the engineers they didn't even send the scientific masterminds to screw around with the stars they could create pocket dimensions the size of a solar system fill the entire thing with actual stuff so it's basically a planet the size of a star system and then compress that space to be about the size of a football if you're not inside of it they mastered the physical world in its entirety i mean like i said the halo rings were bigger than planets they were regularly causing stars to go supernova with just their capital ships in their war against the flood not a grand superweapons like what the necrons have these were just their battleships their weaponry could also atomize almost anything that it hit that one you don't even got to read into the lord of fine just plenty of the newer halo games there's a throwaway line in the forerunner trilogy that they were powering the construction of an installation by tunneling to another universe and taking energy from it this isn't a major plot point in how they're desperately trying to create the halos to beat the flood and are turning to major scientific endeavors to do so it's like a sentence and a half of dialogue about some guy's side project regarding the halos themselves again not only did they kill everything in the galaxy the forerunners completely receded the galaxy with life after they were gone such was their intelligence that they set up entire systems to take care of the galaxy even though they themselves were all but extinct oh and those crabby sentinels i mentioned earlier they deployed those in the trillions they made at least one entire planet out of nothing but sentinels imagine enough robots to blot out the sky and force a planet into permanent darkness and that's just a small portion of what the 4runners could do on top of all this their starships are nearly immune to damage i'm afraid i don't have fancy made up metals like adamantite to impress you with i just know that one took thousands of missiles and several railgun shots going at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light and didn't even get scratched the cherry on top of all this is that they produced all of this at a galactic scale they can go toe-to-toe with the imperium in industry and everything you have is just better in fact they could probably outshine the impairment industry because three million worlds is better than one million though admittedly forge rules are not so i'd say it's equal footing i mean they built an installation several times the size of a planet outside the galaxy for god's sake the only thing that's done anything like that in 40k is the catan literal machine gods of the material world in the setting their stuff also lasts damn near forever in what's essentially mint condition take even the necrons sometimes when they wake up their programming is going a little bit wonky meanwhile most pieces of dark age tech that the imperium finds are either horribly broken or corrupted into near uselessness if it is a fully functional stc it's probably sabotaged by chaos or something and is gonna summon a keeper of secrets the moment you build the design it gives you because as is well established no one in the god forsaken universe of 40k is allowed to have nice things 4runner stuff meanwhile works as good as it did when it was first made 100 000 years after the fact someone said in a discord i was in once that the forerunners still weren't up to 40k because the catan could drain energy like the forerunner could that's fair and yes i was that who brought up an online debate about two universes fighting anyways back on topic there's several differences between what the forerunners did and what the catan did in this case one the katan did it to species on worlds the forerunner could do it to entire universes so there's a huge difference of scale two understand what all of that would entail the forerunners didn't just eat something that was put in front of them they had the tunnel to another reality entirely create and set up a system to somehow get energy from that universe and then turn that energy into something usable and to further set the two apart unlike the catan absorbing the souls of the necron tier this was apparently such a minor detail such a not worth talking about accomplishment for the forerunners that it didn't even merit an entire paragraph in the book the guy doing it was just like yeah just hooking up my universe scaled car battery to the system so i can build my megastructure don't mind me and again like i mentioned earlier you know how that one edgy catan screwed off from the galaxy and built a planet around himself the forerunners did the same thing and built one of their own it's the ark you could see the milky way from it during halo 3. and they made a bigger one before that it just made the mistake of existing within a hundred thousand light years of the flood and was destroyed that's such a logistical feat that it's hard to even fathom what that means for the forerunner's capabilities because if they built it inside the galaxy they have the ability to move objects the size of planets around the universe at will if they built it outside the galaxy meanwhile that means they have the infrastructure and technology to move such massive amounts of material around that they can build such megastructures in the infinite nothingness of extra galactic space they could also digitize and construct mechanical bodies for people which is what the didact did to create the prometheans so if you still don't think they can match beings like the catan they did pretty much the same thing as what they did to the necron tier relatedly the process is pretty much the same only you can weaponize it they didn't even either conversion chambers or anything like that it was just point the damn thing in a planet and bam instant robot army they of course were masters of genetics and biology as well because why not let them have that too they would more or less mutate themselves when they reach certain milestones in their lives by integrating the dna of other forerunners and taking on their aspects this also gave them much of the memories and personality of their donor like when the diadek from halo 4 gave his dna to a foreigner previously known as bourne stellar who after that was just called the die deck the forerunner known as librarian even started referring to bourne cellar as her husband after this happened she being married to the previous died act of course oh and they can also biologically imprint your consciousness into someone else without any soul magic doesn't matter what race you are either they stuck a human into a foreigner once to hell with it give someone the memories of a dog and let it speak to the guy every now and then they could de-evolve you too just in case all of this sounded too you know progressive and scientific for you they did that to ancient humanity after they defeated them in a war and because most of this video was just going to be disjointed rambling about the 4runner's capabilities let's talk about slip space again real quick little even briefer than last time because this is a video for fun not theoretical physics slip space is actually a lot like the warp things can go wrong and people can straight up disappear into it it has streams and currents that dictate how travel is done within it it's also slower than warp travel at least when the warp isn't spitting you back in time a thousand years the thing is this applies to the unc and the covenant foreign space meanwhile is nearly instant they could cross the entire galaxy in days if they so wish to a foreigner slipped space drive will never vanish someone into nothingness like a human drive would and whether it's slip space or not they can teleport entire armies across massive distances on top of all of this they don't have to deal with the forces of hell interfering with them or causing them to appear centuries before or after the event they're responding to takes place at the very best interpretation the web way is still only equal to forward or slip space and it can still break down to be corrupted like the warp unlike slip space again like i mentioned you can also do this in atmosphere which you can't do with the warp the only reason the covenant didn't do these in atmosphere jumps is because they don't realize just how advanced the reverse engineered 4runner stuff is and you can bet your emperor bothering ass the foreigners know what their stuff can do and because i feel like someone might say i haven't gone enough into specifics to justify this whole video here's a barrage of those their ships had weapons that cause gravity to rip apart the enemy each of their infantry weapons does what the necrons do to their enemies only faster that is to say tear them apart molecule by molecule they can use antimatter weapons on their ships which violently explodes in contact with normal matter because that's just how that works they had potentially up to trillions of warriors in their army at the time of the flood war and this was after centuries of disarming themselves due to political infighting so unlike the covenant they have the numbers power and industry to fight with and to top it all off at least some of them had six fingers i mean what else is there to say six fingers maybe they had two tails too as for psycho powers i don't think there'll be enough the four owner's advantage in every other field is too great even ignoring the fact that they could recreate psychic powers to some extent through technology alone sure the four owners are in trouble when magnus or eldred take to the field but the average siker who could just about throw a fireball without exploding himself is gonna be turned into mincemeat anyways now it's probably time to give some structure to this video instead of just continuing to ramble incoherently about foreigner capabilities let's see how the foreigners would interact with the factions of the 40k galaxy and spoiler alert for what's coming up you're gonna hear some variation of the words and then the forerunners wipe them out pretty frequently let's start with the big lads what would the interactions between the imperium of man and the foreigners look like well at first it would look just like the imperium of a man's interactions with any other alien species that doesn't keel over and submit xeno heretic murder killed you know all that overused stuff and then they would find out that oh these aliens have triple our territory and technology far beyond us exterminatuses what is the plural of exterminatus exterminati whatever it is the imperium would start dropping those like it was going out of style because trying to land the imperial guard to fight the four owners is just gonna result in you having one less army of guardsmen and fair's fair a virus bomb is gonna hurt anyone forerunners or not especially since part two of a virus bombing is setting the atmosphere on fire but the foreigners would learn pretty quickly that imperial ships carry planet busters and start devoting more assets to their navy and then it would be a very rapid downhill spiral against the imperium of course the space marines would be involved in this they're always involved that being said remember that funny little clip where the didact drags master chief around like it's gary's mod that they'd still be under heavy fire from any fight with the 4runners and because i'm not game's workshop i don't feel like giving the space marines blood armor because of the level of tech the foreigners are working with they're going to get cut down with a little more ceremony than the guardsmen ceramide will give the forerunners as much trouble as it does the necrons which is to say thank you anyway that is to say it's not going to give him much trouble at all plus at a certain point the foreigners are going to realize that even if the space marines are more troubled and they're worth the fight head-on they can just annihilate their ships and worlds to cause them to bleed to death by the most mismatched form of attrition warfare the mechanicus might fare slightly better if only because of a desperate attempt to reverse engineer what few pieces of foreign or tech they can get their hands on the sisters of battle might make the four owners minorly confused when they gun down some lady with angel wings only for her to show right back out but resurrective immortality is only so helpful when you just get gunned down again by some alien throwing antimatter at you like it's not a big deal or the energy sword gun from halo legends now that'll put some hurt on anyone custodies are gonna cause problems for the forerunners but in the grand scheme of things they still won't be helpful enough to save the imperium because as it turns out 10 000 is not a very big number on a galactic scale in a 1v1 the custodies have more than a fair shot but it's never going to be a 1v1 for them but let me introduce you to a more interesting concept the forerunners pacifying and integrating human worlds see in halo the foreigners stopped humanity because from their perspective it seemed like the human race as a whole was gutting for their territory rather than humanity cleansing foreign planets infected by the flood which was what was actually happening but at 40k i don't think it would take too long for them to realize that there's a whole lot of human worlds that for whatever reason would be more than happy to be free of imperial control given that a driving motivation for the forerunners is the mantle of responsibility which instructs them to guide and protect the galaxy i have no doubt that a decent amount of planets that fall to the foreigners would do so willingly i mean it happens at the tau surely the same thing could happen for the forerunners and while yes it does come with the caveat that the forerunners are a bit more equal than everyone else once again this is just the same as the tao but it still works for them by the end of this war i don't expect the imperium to still be a major entity maybe not completely gone if only because of the emperor but certainly reduced to a shell of its former self relatedly and admittedly this is a bit of a stretch there's a chance that the emperor wouldn't hate the foreigners like other aliens i mean in 40k there's the dark eldar the orcs tyranids necrons and more those aliens suck but the forerunners who of course would still be focused on keeping themselves powerful would still be more than willing to focus on the greater threats to the galaxy like chaos an interesting result of them somehow appearing in 40k could be a sort of temporary alliance with the imperium because as we all know the imperium is a god-awful government with how it treats its people but the guys next door sacrificing entire planets to one of four satans are probably a lot worse for galactic peace of course the imperium is still a horrendous state and the emperor is to put it lightly a bit of a control freak so there's no way the foreigners would tolerate the imperium and it would be temporary at best that being said it's still something i find to be an interesting idea as for the other species let's go the tower a brief talk the foreigners might be able to convince the tao to peace talks otherwise they're gonna force them back onto their home planets like they did with ancient humanity and halo the various other minor zeno species would probably be turned into something between clients saints and allies the eldar in them would likely have little reason to interact i mean the craft world's in ideal circumstances sitting in their own little corner of the galaxy if the foreigners show up and suddenly started wiping out threats to the eldar left right and center there probably wouldn't be much in the way of reasons for them to fight same goes for the exodites that being said any fight the elder try to get into with the forerunners is going to result in there being one less craft world around blton especially is going to learn the hard way that at their weakest possible power level a civilization equal in power to the war and heaven necrons just showed up the dark eldar say goodbye kamura i don't care how many black holes vex sends their way the forerunner's number one priority with them is gonna be to slip space rupture a halo ring into that god forsaken place and send everyone in it to kingdom come the harlequins meanwhile might actually form a sword of alliance with them since their overall goals are generally more benevolent to everyone rather than just the eldar the orcs are just gonna be exterminated like wholesale oh sure they'll do their best to put up a fight but then some foreigner scientist is gonna catapult a star at them for funsies i wish i had more to say about them because i do like the orcs warren heaven cork would probably give them a pretty tough fight but modern 40k orcs are going to tragically be pretty unceremoniously destroyed same likely goes for the tyranids unlike the flood there's no mistaking this particular intergalactic swarm of locus for a minor threat you can contain a high fleet is many things but subtle is not one of them you might say that gene sealer cults could be an issue but those ancilla the foreigner have in their suits would pretty quickly realize the guy inside is suddenly praying to the tyranids that alert other foreigners to the threat remember they all have one the tyranids meanwhile also don't have the same strength as the flood they don't expand quite as rapidly as the flood and they don't gain information in the same way as the flood does tyranids are all about adapting to their enemy's strengths the flood outright steals those strengths the foreigners would find it much easier to deal with them and if nothing else they can send in the robotic armies of sentinels not have to worry about the whole biomass harvesting issue that earned its cost there are in fact reasons that they didn't just do that with the flood in case you were wondering why they didn't do that in halo lore but we'll get to that later the leagues of photons since there's suddenly enough information on them to talk about might get along fairly well with them the 4runners clearly have no problem with ai so they might even get the forerunners to help repair the botan themselves granted the new squats don't seem to be that much more keen on aliens than the imperium is and if it does lead to war then the extra attack the leagues have won't be enough to spare them from the ecumenise wrath i don't think chaos is gonna have that much luck either unlike perhaps even some members of the covenant there's nothing to tempt the forwarders with tempting with power they have all the power they want and more and the ambitious among the foreigner elite aren't stupid enough to sell their souls to demons tenth and with pleasure for one their entire mentalities ensuring the galaxies at peace with each other which is inherently selfless and two they have access to almost all the pleasures anyone could ask for if they really want it why go for more because some crabhead and dude said it would feel really good trust me and flip plagues on them and make them suffer until they join perhaps well they're biologically immortal and for reference the unsc who would absolutely get stomped at 40k have curing cancer as something so routine a merchant ships medbay can treat it if the uac can do that as far below the forerunners as they are disease is just not an issue for the forerunners there's nothing for cass to latch on to and corrupt the foreigners with as for actual battles like with the cast space marines well see what i said would happen to normal space marines for how that'll turn out demons would do better but not by much zinc demons might pull some screwy stuff on the four runners to take a decent amount down but not enough to balance out what the foreigners have in number and power and if they reverse engineer necron tech which i have no doubt they would they'll learn how to shut down chaos hell they might even team up with a few dynasties to push back chaos since the 4 owners have nothing against ai and a few necron dynasties aren't that bad speaking of we finally have the necrons and oh boy is this going to cause some colorful arguments as well as the krork and the pre-fall eldar the warren heaven-era necrons could certainly put up a hell of a fight while i still think the forerunners are in equal footing with the katan the sheer amount of them around as well as the numberless legions of united necron military would be quite the challenge to take down the thing is this video is all about the foreigners facing off against modern day 40k and the modern day necrons are to be frank a shadow of their former selves as is always the case with 40k factions except for the tao and tyranids i guess they're disunified and war with each other almost as often as the imperium blows up its own planets and usually for even less valid reasons while i'm sure they've mostly woken up there's still going to be some in slumber who have nod and wouldn't be able to fight the forerunners their weaponry is at best equal to the forerunners and combined with their lack of unity in the foreign supreme industrial capabilities there won't be as many neck runs fighting on the same battlefield as there will be four runners in their construct plus slip space once again reigns supreme they can cross the galaxy in days if they need to they can burn down your planet and then that same fleet can be a segment over by tomorrow and to top it all off even if you do think the necrons are technologically superior it's well within foreign capability to reverse engineer necron technology i mean the foreigners are so advanced that they consider binary primitive to them binary that thing even dark age humanity used in its tech one foreigner found an ancient foreigner shipped and was shocked they ever used it that's how far they've gone beyond it technologically speaking the forerunners to throw one last bit of disconnected rambling at you also have something called the domain while the domain is absolutely monstrous and will be covered in a later video because this is gonna be a three barter mini series the best way to simplify it is forerunner internet while information can be lost in it more recent stuff is fairly easy for the forerunners to access so a forerunner can research into necron tech put his findings into the domain and bam every forerunner in the galaxy can now know how that particular piece of technology works what its strengths are and most importantly for the military how to counter it there's far far more to the domain but for now let's just leave it at that and if nothing else the foreigners had devices accessible by individual people that could accelerate time so quickly that billions of years would pass with them in an instant i don't care what you are necron or not that's gonna mess you up there's a lot a lot more i could talk about the forerunners how they weaponized their own method of ftl the deeper concepts of the domain how their ftl itself started diving into metaphysics but by now i'm sure you get the point of this video in modern day 40k i think the foreigners would reign supreme and force the mantle onto the milky way galaxy as they did millions of years ago and of course this is one big opinion piece so please tell me how wrong or right you think i am i fully admit i'm biased in favor of halo on this but so what biases make life fun it's good to hear a differing opinion every now and then either way here's part two there's one less major faction i guess to cover in halo for next time and they're hungry now i shall talk and you shall listen as always thank you to my wonderful channel members you are the domain to my accuminate gifting me with the ability to further my cause and continue on for the time to come consider becoming a member or subscribing to support the channel and either way thank you for watching and take care out there except none of these videos matter because the halo 1 magnum can one shot the entire 40k universe also spartan 1337 can snap card in half like a kitkat dragon ball halo come on baby myself

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Published: Sat Jul 23 2022