Sex Offender interview-Marshall

all right marshall marshall where'd you grow up where are you from originally ah from michigan the park pontiac that's in oakland county and tell me about your family growing up you had mom and dad i had a mom and uh my dad my mother got a divorce when i was still young yet and then my mother remarried okay and uh we got along pretty good but he was an alcoholic and he ended up dying and uh my mother more or less it was i had three three sisters and a brother younger brother i'm the oldest boy my mother ended up working two jobs trying to raise us all and uh we got along pretty good but uh i ended up getting into juvenile because i got into trouble and stuff and my mother went ahead and went to the court and the court released me to go in the military and they dropped all charges and uh i went in the military i did well on my job but i just couldn't adjust to service so i ended up getting i got out in 1958 so i had reserved but i didn't have to go to reserve because of it was other than animal conditions and uh basically that's i guess that's about all you would need there in my background yeah from home but uh what kind of work have you done in your life oh i did a lot of work uh i worked in the factories up in michigan and until i moved down here in 69 and i worked at channel 10 out here on gandy i run studio camera and the station sold out and they brought their own people into coming and bought it so i left channel 10 then at that point i went to work for a morrow corporation and they built solid waste sewer plants and i worked there until 86 until i got sent to prison and you uh you were married yes i was i got married i married my wife she started visiting me while i was in prison when i got released we got we got married and uh i had two daughters so you you did prison time before you got married yes what was that for the prison time uh i wrote bad checks oh i see and then you got married i got married had two kids i had two daughters and then you got in trouble again yes tell me about that well the i i molested my daughter and a neighbor daughter and the neighbor daughter was nine years old my daughter started when she was about about six and it continued a lot of it was fondling up until she got up to around 14. it escalated to me having a uh have an intercourse with her one time and then and then it came to light to the police department of what was going on and i was arrested and then i was appointed a lawyer and the lawyer tried to get me a plea negotiation well the judges the judge was going to give me a plea negotiation and she told me it would just be a formality of going in front of him and take my plea from not from guilty than not guilty and then that would make a plea negotiation so when i got in front of the judge he was under the intention the understanding with my lawyer i guess that i would receive 15 years for attempted sexual battery well when i got in front of him and he started reading off the time he was giving me the prosecutor says excuse me your honor mr white is pleading guilty to attempted capital sexual battery and he says i just give the man 15 years she says well she says it's capital attempted capital sexual battery so he rescinded that sentence he just gave me and gave me 50 years in prison and 30 years probation well at that time they took up took time off of that 50 years plus good behavior in prison and that brought the time down a little bit a third off the probation i had two counts other words one on the neighbor daughter and my daughter from period of life six to fourteen and uh my wife uh we got a divorce while i went back i went to prison 86. we got a divorce in 88 because she met somebody and she didn't want to be dating someone else still being married to me so she got a divorce in 88. she asked me if it was all all right with me to pile the paperwork for the divorce and i said yeah okay so i did trying to savor some money there and we got divorced in in 88 the 30-year probation is still running right now and uh i was going to ask for early term on my probation because of my age and my health is not getting any better i've had a stint put in my heart i've had other things done surgically how old are you now how old are you now 83 83 and you've been out for how long uh like i said i got released from arcadia treatment center in 2011 [Music] so i've been out i lived here for a while then i moved to where i'm living now so i've been out since 2011. and looking back at your life do you i mean you seem to be you're you're attracted to young girls right yes and that is something that just you how do you how do you view it it's just something that you have in your in your dna you just uh it wasn't because of something that happened to you as a kid or anything like that i'm not sure when it's when it started i think something happened to me and i just oh you think you think maybe you were touched when you were young i believe so i i'm that's a little fuzzy with me i'm not sure exactly when but something got me curious and interested in that and uh like i say my mother seen it i was not not doing good so she she had to judge when i went in front of the judge in michigan she recommended i would go in the military if the judge would drop the charges there and uh the judge agreed to it and let me go in the military and so therefore i settled that end in michigan when i when i got out of the military in 58 i went to bed i went to work in the factory up there and in 69 like i say i moved to florida and i ended up working at tv station um a moral corporation like i mentioned earlier yeah now you're in a sex offender mobile home park excuse me you're in you're in a mobile home park for sex offenders now i was living here but i'm not now i'm living over in a house right behind a comfort land oh you're right next door i'm 54 yeah i sure i sure the house is another another gentleman and uh of course the rent is getting so high they built a bunch of new homes down a promise and that appraisal raised the rent of everybody else in that area tell me about your relationship with your with your daughter after this happened well it was confusing for her and it caused her a lot of grief a lot of anxieties not confusion on her love for me as our father and she still she got both my daughters are married my wife ended up making sure they graduated high school and they married good men and i don't hear from them now because it was part of my stipulation that i would not associate with minors and i would not contact my daughters they could contact me if they wanted to but i was not to contact them so i haven't talked to them since i was released in prison or from arcadia what are your feelings about what you did to the neighbor's girl the neighbor's girl and your daughter after going through treatment at arcadia and two years of treatment here i realized how terrible a person i was and i feel i feel really sorry about what i did i can't change that but i've tried to be a good person since i've been released from prison like i say when i lived here we've got a lot of older people lives here i would come down and help them with their yard work and stuff and painting trailers and stuff and i tried to give back some of what i took no and i've tried to be a better person i think i've done a pretty good job i've not had any violations of my probation i've not had any trouble with law enforcement i watch a lot of tv and i work on my yard where i live did you did you continue to have the desire for young girls after this happened when you when you were in prison or years later well after i got through after i got going with the treatment like i said treatment at arcadia was pretty extensive i mean you had to do writing reports you had to play role models about you being the victim or the other person being the victim and the it was set up to where you would be aware of places you shouldn't go when you got released people you shouldn't shouldn't associate with because of the problems you had with the attraction and it was it was very good a good treatment program i've heard about it but even aside from the treatment that they provided the the desire for these kind of interactions still exists no or existed before you became you're 83 now so your libido is probably not what it was when you were younger no it isn't but when you were younger in your 30s 40s 50s maybe you still had the desire i well i was in prison up till i was 40 something oh i see so i still thought about it while i was in prison when i got released to go to arcadia and start going through treatment they would have they had groups in arcadia because i was like 13 or 14 guys and you'd have a a doctor he would ask questions and then the group had asked you questions they would tell you about their offenses how they felt about them and you telling them about how you felt about your opinions and it was uh it was very beneficial in that interaction did it help you build compassion or empathy or understanding of what your victim went through and i realized that empathy was very important in your life and [Music] it it it was it was a good program and when i got released from prison and came home i came here to live and of course they had treatment here at that time right here in this office and we'd have about 25 30 people in the group and don sweeney the doctor he threw over the treatment he he would ask each one questions and they'd have each other ask each other questions and we'd challenge each other on the things we talked about he would ask them about what they did how their week went you know and they would they would some of them would answer the questions where you could see that they hadn't changed much so we would challenge them and they would challenge you over your over your actions how your thinking was going tell me about your mindset when you're when you were doing this with the young girls are you just kind of blind to the repercussions that might come afterwards and you're just going after yourself i think i was because i continued to do things at that point i didn't really i thought about my wants i didn't think about how the victim would feel how it would affect their life i didn't think of those things and uh but that that that you could call it selfish or reckless behavior was that something that existed outside of your sexual uh no i i've always been a caring person for people my mother always bragged with her friends lady friends and stuff she says out of all my kids this is my favorite because he's just a caring person and i've always been that type of person to care to help other people and i say they need to need needed help i would help him so in those respects i was always caring person note in that area how did you seduce the neighbor's girl she came down to see my youngest daughter and i was home my wife was working and there was no one ever with me and i said well my youngest daughter would be home pretty soon i said you want to come in and wait for her and she came in and i got talking to her and and i i told her i says you want to play a little game she says what i i told her i says i will take my penis out i didn't tell her about penis but and i said i want you to suck on it so kids kids i unders kids look up to grown-ups they obey what grown-ups tell them that was my mode of operation that at that time knowing that that's how they would react well i put my penis in her mouth and she didn't like it so she pulled her head back and opened her eyes and she seen my hand with something in it and they asked her the prosecuting attorney's office to represent to talk to her they asked her what did she see when she opened her eyes and she says i've seen it i've seen his uh privates they said well how did you know that's what it is private she's i've seen my brother and they they weren't going to have her come to court because of the the shock and they the hurt and the shame it's got to be traumatic for a young girl right and so she didn't come to court when i got sins on the plane negotiation my daughter chose not to come she could have come if she wanted she chose not to so i was in court by myself with my lawyer and they set it up where i'd be released in prison well the morning i was going to be released from prison the arcadia people showed up and they said no you had to release him to us we're taking him to treatment at arcadia and [Music] the arcadia is a sex offender treatment center here in florida yes it's an arcadia board so they took me from prison to there and i was there in delegate in 2011 and then i was released to come to my probation my probation run while i was there so when i got released and came here as a place to live they had treatment set up here so they they asked me if i would take treatment here and i got releasing treatment here and then i decided to move out of the park another guy that lived here him and i got a place over there behind the comfort end on 54th and so we've been living there since i've been out does it weigh on your conscience or do you lose sleep over maybe the damage you might have done to these were there other girls or just the two that you were convicted of the two i was convicted now there are no others that you may have had interactions with yeah yeah i mean so do you does your conscience it bothered me for quite a while even though i went through treatment it bothered me and uh my neighbors they know that i'm a sex offender and they understand that i was honest about it and told them and therefore we get along fine and there's no problem with my neighborhood because they all know that that i'm living there and i'm a sex offender uh sex offenders seem to be the most hated group in in our society that's true because people don't understand some people change and some people don't some people go through treatment and they do not use what they learn they continue having that desire so they get sneaky about it and they go on with their life until they get caught again which they will eventually you have to be dead serious about the treatment if you go into treatment if you don't try to change it's just a waste of time for you in the taxpayers money or and it's it's there's a lot of guys to get out there's not much publicity about the ones that do well and that's bad because the ones that do well there should be publicity on that because that encourages the ones that are going through treatment or they're having these hours that do wrong again to not do you must have understood that you were doing something wrong with your daughter it went on for years yes but you still continued what what overrides your judgment well i just sort of numbed myself to that i didn't i didn't i didn't dwell on it about what i was doing being wrong the way i look back at it now and i realized that i was totally wrong in my actions i had a good wife my daughters are both loving and they were trying to cope with what was going on when my neighborhood found out about me going to prison my daughters got taunted in school and the neighborhood kids didn't want to play with them so my wife had to sell her house when she got when we got a divorce in 88 she decided to sell the house and they she married they moved out of out of the area where my kids would not have to put me tonight at school by by what my father what her father had done yeah it leaves the trail of destruct destruction doesn't it yes it did and i i wished all that hadn't happened now but it has and i can't go away because i wish it didn't happen all i could do was try to do the right thing with my life and what's left in my life and like i say i haven't contacted them because i wasn't supposed to talk to them unless they contact me about what would you say to your daughter if you could what message would you what would you say to your daughter if you could communicate with i would like him to understand how sorry a father i was for the things that i had done to my daughter and that they were good daughters loving daughters and i was the one that was wrong and i'm totally sorry i wish it never had to happen and i'm glad that they're married now and have their own children and that they're doing well now that is a great comfort too to know that and that is i i think i've seen my youngest daughter when i was shopping one day and she thought she recognized me she was coming in out of walgreens i mean walmart not wold greens she was coming out of walmart and she stopped and looked over at me and kept staring but she never did try to talk to me but i think she recognized me but she didn't know what to do and of course i was afraid to approach her behind him saying i wasn't able to contact him and she seemed to be doing all right she had a little girl in india in her cart and she finally turned and went on in the store and but i believe that was her and she i'm pretty sure the way she kept staring over at me that she recognized me marshall what would you say is the most important lesson you've learned from all of this most important message you know how to word that i learned that that all the things i created i did well working and being a good father in that respect but the things i did to my daughter and the neighbor's daughter i learned that that was a terrible terrible thing that i had done and that i never wanted that in my life anymore and all the people i've met since then since i've been out they know i had a sex offense but i didn't want to share the details that i'm talking about here now because like i say people don't unders when they hear that you have a sex crime of course in my case i did have minors but that they automatically jump on a sex crime too minors not adults having sex together and so i just left it as a sex crime and they didn't ask any more questions and i didn't give any more questions to it that's why i was a little worried about having this interview today because it's going on the internet and i thought to myself you know my neighbors know i have a sex crime but do they really need to know all the details of it the goriness of it that i'm ashamed of but i can't change what happened if they flat out asked me about it i would have to be honest and tell them and hope that they would try to understand that it was my past life not my present and that's what i would hope for yeah you seem reformed uh i think i am okay like i say each day i try to do the right thing with life that's all we can do in life is making the changes in our life that we make and think about the things we're going to do and think about the things over here that you shouldn't do because the treatment helps you realize those things over there are what got you in trouble and hurt other people and so i'm consciously keeping my mind on those thoughts for not occurring to bed anymore but continue going forward with what life i have left i would really hope that my daughter someday before i die will be able to contact me and tell me how they're doing and like i said i have grandchildren that i've never i've said my old my daughter my oldest daughter that i had sex with she sent a picture through my youngest daughter to me in prison of her children small snapshots said to give these to dad so in a way she still feels that you know i'm her father there's a nice gesture on her part yes very nice and my youngest daughter she she wrote me letters while i was in prison she says dad i'm i'm graduating high school i want you to be proud of me she says i'm going to be getting married very soon and she sent me pictures of her and her husband and their little girl and that's why i was in prison i haven't received anything since then but those were nice gestures on their part with all that happened in their lives absolutely all right marshall thank you so much for sharing your story i hope i was able to give it a good impression because that's what i wanted to do i want this i want this to be help to other people if it can be and that's about all i can do i guess all i can say i thank you for the opportunity to be able to talk yeah thank you for sharing your story being so courageous to talk about it thank you marcia thank you you

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Length: 28min 59sec (1739 seconds)

Published: Fri Mar 18 2022