RTX 3080 vs 7900 XTX vs RTX 4080: Don't get ripped off (RT on/off, Unreal Engine 5, 4K, 1440p)

we're gonna hop into the benchmarks in just a second and I'll give you a lot of my final thoughts at the end however I want to make sure you guys can interpret accurately all the information I'm presenting for you here so it's more of just a how to read the benchmarks chart first of all we've got these like percentages things on that side and by the way don't take this as like the final result that's just one particular test I'm showing you right here um so I'm setting the 3080 as a baseline I'm taking the average result of the Benchmark run and doing it as percentage differences but I'm setting the 30 80 12 gigabyte and by the way I should mention that it's a 30 80 12 gigabyte not the original 10 gigabyte model the 3080 12 gigabyte is kind of between a 3080 TI and a 3080 10 gigabyte in overall performance just a few percent faster than the 10 gigabyte version um I'm not trying to do that to skew the results in any way it's just the only 3080 that I have uh the other thing that I should mention like I said was about the percentages over here I'm sending the 3080s average as the 100 Baseline so then you can see how much faster the 7900 xdx and the 4080r compared to the 3080 but some people get misled by the percent images here if you're reading this as the 7900 xdx is nine percent faster than the 4080 that's wrong the 7900 xdx is 49 faster than the 3080 and the 4080 is 40 faster than 3080 but if you compare to the 7900 xdx to the 4080 directly that would be less than a nine percent difference because we're talking about percents of different things if that makes any sense to you so anyway do keep that in mind when you're looking at those gaps uh the other thing to keep in mind is up here what we've got um there's a three frame rate counters on each of those on the left is the current frame rate in the scene the middle one is the average uh which is ongoing accumulated throughout the Benchmark run and the one on the right is the one percent lows as accumulated throughout the Benchmark run and beneath that is a frame time graph this is the best way for you to try to get an idea of if there's any stutters happening a big spike in the frame time graph could feel like an actual noticeable stutter in the game smoother frame tame graphs are generally better and more smooth for actual gameplay all the other things to look up there is at the very top on each GPU you can see its utilization it should be close to 100 unless there's some other kind of CPU limit happening in that particular situation um you can also see the temperature of the GPU is reporting for its average temperature uh keep in mind the coolers here the 30 80 12 gigabyte is a gigabyte Eagle cooler and the um 7900 xdx is its AMD reference model and the 4080 is the Nvidia Founders Edition model um on the Nvidia gpus um the afterburner stats did report the power usage for some reason the 7900 xdx was not reporting its power usage so look into the power differences elsewhere I suppose um so apologies for that it just didn't report and I didn't notice that until I did all the Benchmark runs you can also see the RPMs on the fans because while I can't tell you exactly how loud everything is um the uh if the RPM speeds are higher that generally does create more noise so that's although different fans at the same RPM aren't the same volume so anyway don't read too far into that you can also see the C GPU usage the RAM usage also under the green Memory Theater the mem in green the one on the left is the amount of memory of vram so that's the gpu's memory allocated the one in the middle is the um is the amount actually being reported as actually used by the game according to the Riva tuner statistics server that I'm going off of here you can all see the memory clocks anyway I'm talking too long here let's hop into the benchmarks to give you some final thoughts at the end I imagine some of you are surprised to see fortnite crushing all of these gpus I mean sure it's 4K it's Max settings but what's going on here well epic who makes fortnite also make Unreal Engine and they have updated fortnite with fight with the Unreal Engine 5.1 featuring lumen in an amazing lighting system that is kind of a software Ray tracing system so it can run without Hardware acceleration although here we're seeing it with Hardware acceleration turned on which also increases the quality of the ray tracing so this is with a hardware RT on it also has night which allows a lot of objects like these trees to not need level of detail pop in they just fade in perfectly anyway it looks great but it's also incredibly demanding it's beautiful in like a Pixar sort of way but all of our gpus here the 4080 is doing the best but it's averaging 45 frames per second the 3080 is only around 32 and the 7900 XTX at 40. with the 7900 doing uh you know pretty well they're considering it had Hardware Ray tracing on now leaving Hardware Ray tracing on here we're now using TSR quality now what is TSR TSR is sort of like FSR or dlss and so this is the quality setting so it's upscaling from a 1440p image to try to Output a 4K like image using temporal data it increases your performance so now we can see you know the 4080 and the XTX both delivering over 60 FPS with the 4080 only a little bit ahead of the 7900 XTX and the 3080 is still not the delivering US 60 frames per second at those settings but it's at least putting up a more playable experience so what if we turn the hardware Ray tracing off so this is still using Lumen and we're back to Native 4K now with no upscaling this is still using Lumen which like I said is kind of a software-based ray tracing but it's not using the hardware acceleration anymore and we see that the 7900 XTX is closing the Gap with the 4080 it's still a little bit behind but not as much as it was with Hardware RT going and they're both still well ahead of the 3080 and they're all still well under 60 frames per second so again this is still the Epic settings so it's everything maxed out at Native 4K other than using the hardware accelerated Ray tracing so what if we go ahead and go down to the high settings so this is still Native 4K but the high settings it still has Lumen and Nani enabled but it's turned a lot of things down to high now instead of Epic performance jumps up quite a bit the 3080 is still nowhere near 60fps but it's a little more playable and the XTX and the 4080 are actually neck and neck in performance here with a slight lead for the 4080 and they're both averaging over 60 frames per second so it's looking like both of them can deliver 60 frames per second native 4K at high settings but they're not going to be giving you a high refresh rate experience and obviously these wouldn't be like competitive settings you'd actually use in fortnite but we're using this really to Showcase Unreal Engine 5.1 and this is just the only game we can do that in if we turn on TSR quality so we can upscaling from 1440p we now see the xdx taking the lead here by a little bit it's still pretty close and they're all and they're delivering over 100 FPS now with the 3080 actually well over 60 FPS so all of them are doing well here with some upscaling current the current build of 4 fortnite only has TSR upscaling it doesn't have dlss or FSR although we would imagine it'll get it in the future and most Unreal Engine 5.1 games in the future probably would have the respective respective Brands upscaling features if we drop down to 1440p and we go back to completely maximum settings this is hardware Ray tracing on and everything up at the Epic settings we're now seeing the 7900 XTX and the 4080 delivering uh good at good experience um around 70 FPS the 4080 a little above the 7900 xdx a little bit below the 3080 is not averaging a 60 FPS at these maxed out settings at 1440p but it is showing that I think if you're looking to max out all of the settings that the 7900 XTX and the 4080 an upcoming Unreal Engine 5 Games might be better suited to 1440p than they are to 4K if you're not wanting to turn down settings and use upscaling or both if we turn the hardware Ray tracing off we now see the 7900 XTX and the 4080 absolutely neck and neck at the current point in The Benchmark they're about tied with the XTX a little bit ahead I think by the end of The Benchmark the 4080 is a tiny bit ahead but it's basically a tie and the 3080 is still not giving us an even 60 FPS in this scene by the way when I'm benchmarking here was just I re I played a game and this was the little opening Lobby and then I realized there's a replay feature in fortnite so I'm just benchmarking them all looking at the same replay using different graphic settings and all that and that's how I'm able to get the uh these side by side anyway if we uh go down to the 1440p high settings with Hardware RT off still so this still features Lumen this was still the software RT kind of feature uh it's actually interesting now we're seeing the 7900 XTX with a more noticeable Lee feet over the 4080 although I would still overall call it basically a tie and that's how it's really been between the XTX and the 4080 so far through this is you know if you're within a few percent of each other then if you're not running a frame rate counter they're basically delivering the same experience but let's go to a different game so plague tale Requiem this is the 4K native ultra settings and I'm using a little intro cinematic as The Benchmark here this is actually a little easier to run Believe It or Not than some of the more demanding scenes later in the game and here we can see the 7900 XTX and the 4080 both giving us around a 60 FPS experience although they both dip below 60 FPS in more demanding scenes of the game and even in parts of this one and the 7900 is coming out ahead here and the 3080 is giving us nowhere near 60fps now this is an incredibly demanding game this is another game that that this one's not a cross-gen title it's only P when you look at the consoles so it's not having to try to support older generation hardware and it really pushes the PS5 and the series X so I again if we're looking ahead to the next couple years of games when cross gen is less of a thing I think we're going to start seeing this type of demand a little bit more normal but this game does feature frame generation and so here we're seeing the 4080 taking a huge lead because we're using frame generation but frame generation isn't normal frames it's adding an AI generated frames that are not actually interactive so it actually slightly increases input latency there can be some image quality issues although I did really like it in this game but I'm not giving you a performance difference but as a percentage because these are not directly comparable but I should bring it up but please watch my other video on frame generation for more of my full thoughts here but it is something to keep in mind AMD says they'll be offering an fsr3 which will probably give us some kind of a frame generation competitor but that's not currently available so I can't attest to that now if we go to 1440p ultra settings we're seeing both the 4080 and the 7900 XTX giving us a high refresh rate experience maxed out and the 3080 is now able to give us over 60 FPS at 1440p so here we're seeing all of the gpus doing well the 7900 XTX is actually ahead here and by the way this is kind of an Nvidia sponsored title if we jump over to the Callisto protocol which is more of an AMD sponsored title we now see the 4080 beating the 7900 xdx so it's a little bit backward on uh which game was the uh you know supposed to be the sponsored and optimized uh one for each brand but the results are what they are I'm using the in-game Benchmark here and this is another very recent game that delivers um some very demanding Graphics but also some incredible looking graphics and here we're seeing the 7900 as 33 faster than the 3080 but the 4080 is 53 faster than the 3080. uh both the 7900 XTX and 4080 dropped below 60 FPS at times but are averaging well over 60 FPS with the 3080 close but below to a 60 FPS uh average uh here we're seeing 1440p ultra settings and the gpus are doing a better job of maintaining above 60 FPS more of the time we're still seeing the 4080 out ahead with a a noticeable lead over the 7900 XTX but all of the gpus are are doing better here we can see throughout this Benchmark that the frame rates just go way up and way down depending on what's on the screen and that's honestly how the actual game is itself when I played it there's some areas are incredibly demanding some areas are a lot easier but overall we are seeing the 4080 with a pretty big lead here and that's without Ray tracing enabled and um we would usually expect the 4080 to then increase its lead with Ray tracing enabled and then this was a weird result please see the note on the screen and I'll try to explain this watch the GPU utilization percentage on the 4080 specifically it often drops well below a hundred percent showing the GPU is not being fully utilized which would usually indicate some sort of a CPU bottleneck somewhere in the system I have a pretty high-end CPU going on here but what's weird is the 7900 xdx doesn't seem to be held back quite as much as the 4080 is so I don't know if that would mean that the AMD drivers have less CPU overhead allowing it to deliver higher performance in this CPU bottleneck or something weird is going on with the bottleneck here because we see the 7900 xdx winning at Ray tracing at 1440p there however if we jump up to 4K resolution with the ray tracing set to the maximum settings we're now seeing more of the expected result which is the 4080 winning at Ray tracing although without as large of a lead as we would usually expect now this could again maybe just come down to this particular Ray tracing implementation because I'm going to be exploring Ray tracing a lot in this video and looking at how different types of Ray tracing implementations um perform Better or Worse on the AMD gpus or on the Nvidia gpus whichever way you want to look at it but here we're seeing a small win for the 4080 at the 4K Ray tracing in the Callisto protocol now here I didn't actually test the 3080 at these settings but I have it for the 7900 xdx and the 4080 and I wanted to try using FSR and this is being an AMD sponsored title doesn't feature dlss so they're both using fsr2 at the Quality setting 4K so it's upscaling from 1440p and I wanted to see what would happen here um because this might introduce more of that g kind of GPU bottleneck a little bit and we're again seeing the 7900 xdx pulling a little bit ahead here and again look at the GPU utilization on the 4080 so there's something weird going on here where the Nvidia gpus seem to be having more trouble fully utilizing themselves in the ray tracing in this game maybe it'll get patched I don't know what's going on there let's move on to cyberpunk you guys can talk in the comments now speaking of Ray tracing and 4K all of these gpus get absolutely crushed by 4K RT ultra settings in cyberpunk so we're seeing the 7900 XTX basically tie the 3080 . um so here's where uh we can kind of see the 7900 xdx pulling even with the 3080 which is interesting when we're using the the max out Ray tracing settings and we're seeing the 4080 with a massive 50 lead now while the 50 lead sounds like a lot guys we're talking like 30 FPS instead of 20 FPS okay none of these gpus are delivering a great experience you wouldn't even want to try like a 30 FPS cap on the 4080 because it's one percent lows are still dipping down to 24. it still wouldn't be a locked 30 FPS experience so just have realistic expectations about the 4K Ray tracing performance on all of these cards including the 4080 so just you know keep that in mind there's the full stats so then I was looking at what if we used upscaling and in order to get playable frame rates um on the 3080 and the 7900 XTX I had to go to the performance mode this is where it's upscaling from 1080p so it's rendering at 1080p the 7900 XTX is using the fsr2 upscaler the uh Nvidia gpus are using dlss2 and these do not produce identical image quality I think of these more aggressive settings like the performance mode I do think dlss has an image quality Edge when you're using the less aggressive modes like the quality setting I think it's it's a little more even I still think dlss2 wins in a lot of cases but you know I've done a whole video comparing FSR versus dlss in this game so maybe I'll link that you can take a closer look at the image quality but here we still see the 4080 with an almost 50 lead over the other two gpus and the 3080 and the 7900 xdx basically tied both of them not quite delivering a 60 FPS experience whereas the 4080 is actually delivering a pretty high refresh rate for a single player game experience with the 82 FPS average and the minimums were doing pretty well as as well so I've got to say none of them were really crushing it for 4K Ray tracing so what if we drop down to 1440p uh RT Ultra and here we're seeing once again basically a tie between the 7900 XTX and the 3080. with the 4080 once again almost 50 percent faster than the other two uh the 4080 could realistically play 1440p or RT Ultra and be around 60 FPS although you certainly do dip under 60 FPS although on a variable refresh rate display which most people would have if you're you know buying a GPU that expensive um you know those little dips below 60 would kind of smooth out so in a single player game the 4080s could certainly consider playing native 1440p with the ray tracing maxed whereas on the 3080 and the 7900 xdx it's certainly feeling like well you could play the game like this you would probably want to either up scale or turn off Ray tracing or turn down Ray tracing as another possibility here with the um which is kind of what we're going to look at next so once again we're going to look at using upscaling here and in this case we're using um the quality setting on all of the gpus and that's able to get the 3080 and the 7900 xdx which are still basically tied a small lead going to the 3080 but it's it's close enough that I'd call it a tie both of them delivering more of that 60 FPS experience that the 4080 was delivering without any any upscaling required and we're seeing the 4080 with the quality upscaling actually delivering a high refresh rate experience now with with over 100 FPS so it's actually increased its lead with the upscaling to 52 percent faster than the 3080 rather than 40 something percent faster so it's a small difference but actually looks like it responds better to upscaling slightly just by a few percent than the 3080 does which is kind of interesting and that's also consistent with what with what I've seen in other testing that I've done uh with the 4000 series versus the 3000 Series but they what I would say is they can all deliver a decent Ray tracing experience here what I wanted to dig into though is is the 7900 xdx really just tied with the 3080 in Ray tracing performance because that's not necessarily what we saw in the other games that we tested so now we're going to break it down by the different type of Ray tracing that we're doing if you set the game to the RT low settings and this is native 1440p now because I felt like for Ray tracing gpus these are all better suited to 1440p than they are to 4K so we're going to do this at 1440p now we see the 7900 xdx 26 faster than the 3080 and the 4080 38 faster than the 3080. so the 7900 xdx and the 48 are actually delivering a fairly comparable experience here although definitely a win for the 4080 but they're both delivering a high refresh rate 1440p experience however the RT low settings the only Ray tracing effect enabled here is the local Shadows it doesn't have any of the lighting none of the reflections and none of the sun Shadows it's just the local Shadows unless I have that backwards and it's just the sun Shadows pretty sure it's just the local Shadows but it's one of the one of the one of the Shadow settings and that's it so it looks like if you're just doing some Shadows the 7900 xdx can probably rely more on its rasterization performance because then I decided to test what if we enable the ray traced Reflections if we just go with the reflections now we're seeing the 7900 XT X basically tied with the 3080 again so the Reflections at least in this game because different games might deliver Ray traced Reflections in different ways or different quality settings it looks like that's the one that's really forcing the the 7900 xdx down to about the 3080 level of performance whereas the 4080 maintains its almost 50 percent lead over the 3080. so it looks like the AMD gpus seem to be a little bit more touchy about the type of Ray tracing effect uh that you're enabling now the nice thing to see here though is that 1440p with the RT Reflections which many people feel are one of the more noticeable impactful to the visuals of the game settings in the game you can get an over 60 FPS experience native 1440p no upscaling required from the 7900 XTX although it is a big loss to the 4080 overall now the next thing I wanted to look at was the RT medium settings because this doesn't have the ray Trace Reflections but it does have some of the raytraced lighting it's at the medium setting and this one has both local shadows and Sun Shadows so this has basically all the Shadows some of the lighting none of the reflections and it's looking like the 7900 xdx is faster than the 3080 here so without those Reflections enabled it's again not much faster than 3080 but it's not that Thai situation where we saw anytime the reflection seemed to be enabled which I thought was at least interesting so I think I guess the conclusion I'm drawing from all of this is just that first of all the 7900 xdx can deliver Ray tracing performance as good or better than high-end 3000 Series Nvidia gpus but it's really going to depend on the type of setting that you're using and probably the particular game how it's programmed how it's implemented the type of Ray tracing performance you're going to get and it's all over the place um but I think that's enough of the ray tracing at 1440p for the moment what if you just turn off the ray tracing okay what if we just play the game at the ultra settings which are still incredibly demanding even without Ray tracing but these are very powerful graphics cards delivering a very truly High refresh rate experience at 1440p ultra settings with none of the ray tracing and enabled uh the 7900 xdx is a little bit faster than the 4080 here although once again I would consider it a tie they're so close that without the frame rate counter running you would not be able to tell which one you were using whereas the 3080 is also delivering an excellent 1440p experience here so one reason I wanted to include it in the test is if you're considering playing at 1440p the 3080 class of GPU is still very much worth considering while the 7900 XTX and the 4080 have their price tags so far uh through the roof right now um just definitely something worth looking at so again speaking of not using Ray tracing what if we just try playing the game at 4K Ultra settings no Ray tracing no upscaling well one thing we're seeing is that the 7900 XTX and the 4080 can both deliver over 60 FPS although the 7900 xdx actually has a more noticeable lead here I think you'd show it in the 4080 having more frequent dips below 60 in the more demanding scenes whereas the 3080 is well short of 60 FPS and this is something that I tested even on 30 90 and a 3090 TI basically there were no graphics cards in the previous generation that could play cyberpunk 2077 at 4K Ultra 60fps it just was not possible without upscaling turn or turning down graphic settings or both so the 7900 XTX and the 4080 are both able to deliver 60fps 4K Ultra as long as you're not trying to trace those Rays overall averages are looking pretty good for for the 7900 XTX and the 4080. however a lot of people are going to be wanting a higher refresh rate experience and can the 3080 play the game at 4K it absolutely can basically if you go down to the high settings and kick on some upscaling the 7900 XTX and the 4080 both uh can deliver a high refresh rate experience over 100 FPS much of the time and the 3080 can deliver well over 60 FPS at these settings so it's not like cyberpunk is unplayable or just you can't do better than 60 FPS you just have to not be so hung up on I have to click the ultra button right if you're already accepting that you're not going to be maxing out the game because there's a bunch of Ray tracing you can't do at 4K anyway without upscaling so much that you lost any image quality you gained in the first place in my opinion then you might as well maybe drop to these settings and get yourself a high refresh rate experience that still looks quite good but again the 3080 is still delivering some pretty capable experience um at those settings as well now we're not going to be totally leave Ray tracing behind here let's go ahead and look at one more title so I was interested in Shadow of the Tomb Raider for one thing because it was one of the first games that had Ray tracing support it's also an older game now so even at 4K it's a little bit less demanding and this one just has RT Shadows although you can have a lot of different settings you can put on the Shadows here and we do see the 7900 xdx much faster than the 3080 which is below 60 FPS a lot of the time whereas the 7900 xdx is well above 60 FPS but the 4080 is actually at a 53 lead over the 3080 and the 7900 xdx at a 32 lead over to the 3080. so again it really looks like the type of Ray tracing that you enable is going to have a huge impact on how the 4080 and 7900 xdx play out actually when we turn off the ray tracing we're seeing a similar performance Gap just with the rasterized performance where we're seeing now the 7900 xdx 38 faster than the 3080 and the 40 80 48 faster than the 3080 so not a massive performance gap between the 7900 xdx and the 4080 here although it's definitely a win for the 4080. um but both of them are delivering uh 100 FPS or more um which is quite good and even the 3080 was very playable there but if you had the ray tracing turned off but let's move to another game I'm not gonna look at 1440p on Tomb Raider because it was too easy but Forza Horizon 5 4K extreme settings which by the way are not the highest you can turn this the game now does feature Ray tracing you can turn on the ray tracing even higher and the ray tracing does show up in the racing now but I believe at the extreme preset uh it still doesn't feature Ray traced Reflections in the actual gameplay all of the gpus are doing well here but I was actually kind of surprised to see the 7900 xdx losing pretty significantly to the 4080 which is why I was trying to investigate if the raytrace reflections were on during racing but I don't think they are at the extreme setting because the ray tracing setting is still at a setting that I don't think applies it to the in race mode um anyway we're seeing 29 faster than the 3080 here and the 4080 is 50 faster than 3080 so big win here now the reason I was surprised was this used to be a title where AMD generally performed better than Nvidia in the previous generation like my 6800 XT was a lot faster than my 3080 in this game so yeah I was a little bit surprised by the result but it is what it is um we are but you know the other thing I'll point out though is that both the 7800 xdx and the 4080 are delivering extremely good experiences in this game and even the 3080 is you can play at these settings maxed out at 4K with absolutely no problem they're all delivering an excellent experience but it is a win for the 4080 for sure um but all of them delivering such good performance at 4K that I don't really see much point in going down to uh 1440p now speaking of outlier results guys Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 which is using the same engine as Warzone 2 so if you're interested in Warzone um take a look at this yes that's right the 7900 XTX is absolutely crushing the competition it is 87 faster than the 3080. and it is uh and and the 4080 is 49 faster than the 3080s so delivering pretty good results there like on par as you'd expect but the 7900 xdx is just way outperforming anything that we're seeing in any of the other games tested so um by the way this tends to be the case for AMD gpus in this game they outperform Nvidia I'm not sure if it's uh what's going on with this game but I know a lot of people are very into this scam so if you are a Call of Duty player Modern Warfare 2 or war zone 2 take note however with that in mind this is a competitive game so while I benchmarked it on the extreme settings I wanted to also turn it down to the balanced settings which would be I think more typical of what people would actually use when playing the competitive aspect of the game rather than the campaign and so uh with that in mind I was also curious was it just something about the extreme settings that the Nvidia gpus didn't like or would this uh outsized lead continue even down at the balance settings and sure enough it's continuing down at the balance settings we're seeing a 90 lead over the 3080 uh for the 7900 xdx the 4080 is 47 faster than the 3080 so nothing seems wrong there and if you look at the GPU utilization and the power draw and all of that uh the 4080 and 3080 are fully utilized and drawing the power they should so so nothing seems wrong here it's just that the 7900 XTX absolutely crushes this game so I thought I'd drop down to 1440p and once again take a look at the extreme settings first and at 1440p extreme we are seeing the 7900 xdx with a 91 lead over the 3080 and uh the 4080 has a 45 lead over 3080 so once again kind of expected results um but basically this yup is continuing at 1440p here we're seeing in this kind of typical gameplay area the uh the 7900 xdx well over 200 FPS even at the extreme settings guys I haven't even turned these down to more competitive settings like the balance mode and it's still over 200 FPS again it does not appear to be seeing a CPU limit or anything like that um it just is what it is so uh guys if you're super into Call of Duty take note this is probably something worth looking at now with that in mind if you're playing this game you're probably playing 1440p at reduced settings to push the frame rates as high as you can go so let's go down to the balance settings and see if we can push this even farther and guys you're seeing that correctly 200 meaning the 7900 XTX is now on average doubling the performance of the 30 80 12 gigabyte the 4080 still has a 47 lead over the 3080 so once again the Nvidia comparison between the two gpus looks to be as expected but the 7900 xdx is now delivering 300 frames per second or more a lot of the time and guys if you've got yourself a you know 360 Hertz monitor or something like that I know you're out there ultra competitive gamer um if if Call of Duty is your game this is um I think some extremely interesting results it's so interesting that um excuse me that I wanted to check out 1080p because for one thing I just wanted to see how far can we push this before maybe CPU limits start reducing the 7900 xdx and um also just because even though these are very expensive graphics cards I know the competitive game Gamers out there that have the you know 360 500 Hertz 1080p Monitor and buy a beast CPU and GPU to try to hit those refresh rates to get any Competitive Edge that they can so here we're seeing 1080p at the balance settings I went down to balance rather than extreme because I'm like if you're the kind of guy who's buying a 1080p monitor with a GPU like this you're definitely playing at competitive settings and we're we're seeing the lead down to 77 for the 7900 XTX over the 3080 indicating that we're probably starting to see more of the CPU limit here and by the way you'd hit the CPU limit a lot sooner if you're playing The War Zone Battle Royale because that game hammers the CPU a lot harder than the normal multiplayer mode was but anyway we spent a long time on that game Let's pop into a few other things before we go uh now we're looking at God of War one reason I wanted to look at this is it's a really good looking popular game and I think it's fantastic um but another reason I want to look at it is it's dx11 so how about dx11 anything weird going on here not really um we're not seeing as big of a lead for the 7900 xdx and the 4080 as we've seen in some other titles but it's also not completely unusual to see them in this 30 to 40 percent faster range once again the 7900 xdx and the 4080 are functionally tied although technically a win for the 4080 but once again you wouldn't know which one was which if you were just playing and the 3080 here is also delivering a good experience so you can see that in less demanding games uh the 3080 can still deliver an excellent 4K result and this is not even with any upscaling going on here uh or anything like that now these this game does have upscaling so we could push the frame rates even higher if we wanted to but I don't think we need to uh so let's go ahead and look at another a little bit older game this is another game that originated on the PS4 we're looking at Horizon zero Dawn and it's 4K maximum settings in this game that's called the ultimate setting and here we're once again seeing the 7900 XTX and the 4080 functionally tied um in the sense that once again I don't think you'd be able to tell which one you're really really using but definitely technically a win for the 4080 it is producing a higher frame rate um the 3080 doing well here as well but we got the 7900 xdx giving us a 26 faster result and the 4080 giving us a 32 faster result so overall um I think these gpus are doing well at 4K especially in these easier titles we saw that you know future engine future games might be difficult at 4K but overall I think I'm just going to wrap this up and give you some final thoughts so some final takeaways number one if you're looking for a graphics card that will be able to max out upcoming titles that are you know utilizing engines like Unreal Engine 5.1 and designed to push the PS5 and the series X to their absolute limits I don't think the 4080 or the 7900 xdx is actually the GPU you're looking for the 4090 is really the only max out everything and forget about it uh GPU out there at 4K although honestly even things like cyberpunk maxed out Ray tracing at 4K can can throw the 40 90 for some trouble so really I guess one takeaway is 4K gaming is incredibly expensive and Incredibly demanding so just realize that while the 7900 XTX and the 4080 are both very capable 4K gpus to have realistic expectations especially as we get more demanding games in the future expect to either turn down settings or use upscaling like dlss quality FSR quality uh or both depending on if you're trying to hit a 60 FPS or or a higher refresh rate 4K experience and that's just the realistic uh you know expectation for graphically demanding single player titles now if you're talking more Competitive Gaming focused then I think the ray tracing performance is now less important to you and that definitely highlights the value of the 7900 xdx and if the competitive game of your choice is Call of Duty either Modern Warfare 2 or the war zone 2 version then I think we've answered the question on which GPU is for you get yourself an AMD GP CPU the 7900 xdx is massively outperforming the Nvidia competition I'm wondering if an if and video will be able to do anything with a driver update or something for that game I don't know it's a popular game and I'm it's shocking to me how weird the performance Gap is there and it's hard to explain other than it is the case and I've confirmed it with other reviewers that's just how it is um now that brings us down to okay what if you're thinking about 1440p so if you are thinking about 1440p whether it's single player or you know competitive well if it's competitive you know if you're turning down settings anyway do you really need to spend this much money on a graphics card because that makes you think what about a card like the 3080 and I didn't put it in this particular video but I'm sure I'll explore it in the future what about the 6800 XT or something like that from from AMD are they going to be good enough for 1440p and offer you a much um a much more affordable and cost effective alternative and I think the answer is for most people yes and you could wait for the 7900 XTX and the 4080 pricing to hopefully come down sometime in the future or by uh like I said buy something that's cheaper right now that will get the job done that being said I think the 7900 XTX and the 4080 if you're talking about graphically demand ending single player titles with all the settings cranked up at a native 1440p I think they're both going to do a good job but in games that have Ray tracing the 4080 does have a lead now how much of a lead I think all I can say is that's going to be anywhere from almost a tie to a 50 lead for the 4080 and it's just gonna swing wildly based on the particular Ray tracing implementation in that game now a lot of games are probably going to be using Unreal Engine 5.1 in which case we saw actually a a lead for the 4080 but not a massive one in fortnite but fortnite is just one game and while it's the same engine other games could certainly utilize the hardware accelerated Ray tracing very differently so it's it's hard to say exactly now what if we look at the current pricing because the thing is none of these gpus actually cost the same amount of money so that absolutely needs to be taken into account so what if we popped in and looked at what these cost right now now the first thing I'll say is the 3080 for the last several months has been available brand new between 700 and 750 even the 12 gigabyte models on a fairly consistent basis but whether it's stock drying up or it's um the uh uh you know just the high prices of the 4000 series somehow driving the prices back up on the 3000 Series whichever it is or maybe some combination of both buying a 3080 new right now I don't think makes sense that the 900 price point however if you popped over to somewhere like eBay or maybe your local used listings and things like that they are regularly popping up for Buy It Now prices as low as 550 and I haven't even been looking very hard so I'd imagine especially if you were looking locally you might be able to find it for even less than that and then you have to really ask yourself first of all are you okay getting a used GPU but if you are is it really worth spending I mean more than double this amount on the other gpus when they don't double the performance other than the 7900 xdx in one game in particular anyway so that's something to look at now if we look at by the way I'm looking at PC part picker live right now and I realize this doesn't find every deal available but it does search a lot of major retailers and you can sort prices low to high so it's a good good way to get a an idea of what the current market looks like not necessarily the best place to get the absolute best deal at any particular moment and let's look at the 4080 the 4080 is actually in stock at its MSRP of twelve hundred dollars but that guys it's twelve hundred dollars that is absolutely crazy now I will mention though that the RX 6 uh 7900 XTX um first of all this is a 2060 and I don't know why it's showing up here when I search for those but other than that we're now seeing things in stock at over thirteen hundred dollars for the 7900 XTX now keep in mind that the XTX launched more recently to the filming of this video meaning the initial wave sold out and I think we're just waiting on getting Supply back in to meet the demand so I will say that if you're buying at these current prices we're seeing right now with the 7900 xdx actually more expensive than a 4080. I think we saw in all of the testing that that's completely unreasonable to buy the XTX instead of a 4080 when the 4080 is consistently as good or better occasionally a little bit slower in rasterize performance but generally close enough that it's basically a tie in other words I think the 4080 can justify a higher price tag egg so if they cost the same or the XTX costs more I think you should buy the 4080 unless you're playing war zone a lot or Modern Warfare 2 a lot uh let's uh finish off by looking at a calculator here a little bit actually so the 3080s MSRP and a price it actually was available for including the 12 gigabyte model recently within the last few months was 700 and if you allow the 4080 a 50 performance uplift which we can see it did get sometimes but frequently less than that and if you based the performance off of that Baseline it would be a one thousand dollar ish graphics card which is where the XTX is priced if you priced it off of an 800 base Baseline allowing for inflation that gets you to your 1200 price tag now here's why people say the twelve hundred dollars is an insulting price because it's the 4080 it's replacing the 3080. generally that happens at a similar price or you know maybe a hundred dollars more um but offers the performance uplift with less of it well yeah basically the same price you get the uplift at basically the same price as the previous generation it's annoying that that's not happening now here's why I'm saying don't buy yourself a nine hundred dollar uh 3080 right now because if you scale that up by 1.5 you know then the 4080 actually looks like a better deal but if you look at that used 3080 at 550 and scale that up by 1.5 times the performance you're only up to 825 so if you're not scared of the in other words that's what the 4080 should cost relative to the 550 Baseline price of the 3080 but that's a little bit unfair given the uh used nature and you're buying a used graphics card instead of a new but still that's really something to look at here so honestly guys I wish the 4080 cost closer to a thousand or less than 900 to 1000 range I think it should cost one to two hundred dollars more than the 7900 xdx but I think that means the 7900 xdx should be closer to the 800 price range and like I said the 4080 should be a bit more expensive than that but that's all wishful thinking I showed you what the prices are right now so you can go ahead and make your call the other thing is do keep in mind that Nvidia does have the features like frame generation which I've explored in another video and that is not a feature to write off although currently its game support list is kind of low and it's uh useful in certain situations but I don't this video is way too long as it is go watch my frame Generation video to get a better idea what's going on with that also if you're more on the productivity side of things watch a different review I might focus on gaming but there are a lot of specific productivity apps that are better supported on Nvidia so definitely something to keep in mind there uh this video is way too long so anyway hopefully it gave you some good information and I hope all of you have an excellent day

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Published: Tue Dec 27 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/Category5x]

TLDW - 7900XTX and 4080 not so far apart except in Cyberpunk RT Ultra (Huge 4080 Win) and COD MWII (Massive win for AMD).

Slight lead for 4080 in RT in most other titles, technical parity for most raster games.

3080 probably still the best value option for competitive 1080p gaming, or 1440p usage.

[u/From-UoM]

Whats interesting is that the 4080 drops very litte fps going from Software to hardware rt. Goes from 45-50 to maybe about 43-48.

Meanwhile the 7900xtx drops from 45-50 to below 35-40.

There is zero reason not have HardwareRT off for the 4080. This could be very big going froward in UE5

[u/ToadskiGames]

This YouTuber is awesome for benchmarks!

[u/aeopossible]

I have a MERC 7900XTX, and I’ve been considering returning it for a 4080FE (they’ve been in stock for over a week straight). The 4080 is only $100 more, and the more I think about it, the more that seems worth it for the RT gains, cooler and less power, and Nvidia ecosystem (dlss and whatnot). I really wanted to give AMD a go, and the MERC is actually a sick card, but the 4080FE really is looking like the better overall package.

[u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox]

anyone know how he's doing that fortnite benchmark? edit: oh he said later "i am watching a replay of a game i joined", awesome idea as fortnite doesn't let you use nanite and hardware raytracing in any creative modes, only the battle royale map has it and i couldn't figure out how to test settings without being in an actual game

[u/Hrmerder]

Loving my 3080 and will continue to do so thank you

[u/kapsama]

Damn. Even without RT the XTX loses to the 4080 in quite a few games.

[u/3enrique]

Surprised to see the 4080 beating the 7900xtx in so many games without RT. I do think that the XTX will beat it once the drivers improve but not by as much as I initially thought though

[u/humble_janitor]

There might be some point to this, but I cannot sit and listen to some dude ramble for an hour about benchmarks...