Melvin Farmer on Eight Tray Crips, Rollin 60s War, Tookie Williams (Full Interview)

all right here we go it's my pleasure to welcome melvin farmer triple og yes absolutely one of the cofounders of the HRA Crips would that be a fair assessment a founding member of the Crips found a co-founder a trade gangster crips yes sir got it thanks for clarifying well I want to get into your whole story so let's go ahead and start in the very beginning so where'd you grow up I grew up on actually I grew up on a little bit of the Eastside in my early years to about 67 and we moved to the west side which you can look up and they started integrating from east side where the blacks start going over there and so I grew up on the little bit on the east side and the last 37 40 some years I've been on the west side okay what street exactly live just on the west side when you're in Los Angeles the 110 freeway divides and I'm from the west side of that I live down the Hoover corridor 81st 83rd 9 second 95th died lived on 83rd and Western I lived on 60th in 10th Avenue I lived on Imperial and Vermont and I've named these streets because every one of them now is very reputable gain districts 83 gangsters 63rd and 10th Avenue the sixties Imperial and Crenshaw IVC 83rd and Hoover a trade Hoover's 92nd and Hoover I'd say nine deuce so that's really a you serious advantage in what we do here because of the dialogue that we can create from growing up in those areas well your mom was 16 when she had you mm-hm okay and siblings I have two sisters okay was your father around yes okay was it a tough situation being are you oldest or someone who notice you're the ocean yes sir okay so here you have a mother who's still in high school and your father was around the same age now my father was a couple years older but they come from a generation where the men were working since they were old enough to work okay from that generation so my dad probably was 20 okay when my mom was 16 something like that okay was it a tough situation with parents so young not in this era the toughest situation my parents faced with civil rights segregation going to school that's their aha okay so when you moved well originally you were in the east side and then moved to the west side around 15 16 or mm-hmm I've been on the west side since I was about about nine years old okay so during that time was it primarily a black neighborhood or was it a white neighborhood with white flight or what was going on in the area and I'm ruled over to the west side as a kid now don't went from poverty on this side to where you have theatres you had a miniature golf you had a giant slide you had swimming pools but the other side of the freeway coming on back to the East Side's you didn't have no giant slice so the west side which I was moving on to was predominantly white you didn't have like say to Jordan down projects we come up in homes two-bedroom homes that cost money people working people and it was migration then they built Crenshaw High so I was right in the era integration on the west side okay and how was racial relations during that time when you were a kid well they were really there started moving out and had what was left the whites the Caucasian still over in Inglewood I'm from the LA side one side of an ass would be English and other side would be Los Angeles okay did you experience racism yourself growing up yeah monks by police by police and privilege whites because I want to say oval right junior high to where one morning my first day of school they lag and against the wall and a white boy he come and take the money he swept all of them quarters up but he went in that principal office when the boys went in told and they all said I did it and I got kicked out of school for that I almost got my butt taught by my mama cuz nobody believed me but it wasn't nothing funny about that when you look at it it's racism yeah I told him I didn't do it all dem said I did do it so ain't nothing funny about that yeah well I guess your mother felt that you know you start experiencing trouble when they move when you guys move to 83rd yes sir what started to change they you know when you rotate either well now it didn't change exactly then she just didn't know it had changed prior to that what changed my life was the first time I ever did school in Bruceton on 92nd and Hoover and the first time I ever did school when I come back from school the whole building waiting like you're in a Roman arena and they putting their hands down it's like Nero but they screaming who you gonna get it yo daddy waiting on your something like what up ditching but he would me but it's 10:00 she cold and I didn't like it what happened after that I never went back to school and can't and you're how old that's the sixth grade sixth grade that was last time you went to school yes I went to school every day I just didn't go to class okay you actually grew up in a in a home where your father was abusing your mother yes okay you talk about that a little bit yeah it's on record on the video from an earlier time I was a younger man probably about 14 or 15 and my mother was real pretty so Dean she was younger so a lot of times they'd go out which was family outings and my dad always be kind of jealous cuz most of the man tried to talk to my mom you know so a lot of times it'll be a abuse so one day I I hit my mama crying but I hear fists and I had a pissed on me and I waited on my father in the hallway and I caught him in the hallway and placed a pistol upon this heart and told him I if I ever hear my mother holler like that again I'm gonna have to use this and he never touched her again how did your father react when he had that pistol to his chest I went in one room I walk one way he didn't never say a word and went his way and I went and went to sleep and he never touched her again and he never as far as I knew he never touched her again and he didn't say nothing to me about it hmm and you how old at the time about 14 okay and why did you a pistol at that point was that your pistol was that the family pistol no no I had been getting and carrying pistols since about 13 I had a stole that pistol so this is when the Crips and gangbanging started at this time but they don't know it but that's what at this time of 14 so now we fit of started getting a little bit active okay what year was this that's about 71 okay and Crippen started at 69 yes so this was real close to the start of it yes yes yes okay so how did Crippin start based on your experience well like I do here a lot of opinions that's a good question so when I speak on what I shall speak from the truth and experience all I can do is say my story I know Raymond Washington Raymond script started and I want to say a happy birthday to the founder to Kris which is Raymond Washington today is his birthday so this is an honor him and some of his comrades that grew up with him at that time Raymond M founded the Crips in 69 but a lot of times people say are they spraying soft it is or that they were just a group of men but they weren't dormant okay cuz at this time they're on the east side that's why I go back to that 110 freeway there East Side we're on the west side so it started from there but like I say all the attractions were on the west side so now you got in 71 now you got Soul Train gang banging and pop locking coming along which are steel staples today's so what happened was Raymond Washington came back then I used to have what these two cost the boss time cross record hawks sportsman park roy campanella manchester they had these shot cops so Raymond name came over there got into it with Tookie now took he was in fact of Brookings and he was coming home on the weekends they scheduled a meeting at st. Andrews part and that's when the Crips start forming Eastside Westside Compton okay so it's Raymond Washington and Tookie Williams kind of formed their crews together as the Crips not only him you had from Compton you had Mack Thomas you had a lot of them their car I call them founders because this is between there was 69 to buy 7210 missus when the Crips started okay and I've heard different reasons for the name [ __ ] how the actual word [ __ ] came together based on what you know what would that be well I'm not going I'm gonna lead at the death speculations I'm gonna tell you when the first time it was heard publicly okay and that's when things changed that was the robber balloon murder at the Palladium and I believe March 1972 that's the first time the Crips ever had been heard other than from the streets they didn't know what they was at that time because they were building up and to what they end up being today so you joined in 72 no I had been around Tookie when I transferred from off who've off the east side and moved on 83rd and western that mean I went from Bret Hart junior high to Horace Mann the first girl I ever met there when I signed in the school because I didn't carry no books I told you I hadn't been going to class so I'm just going to class because it's the first day but I'm not caring and so usually it is say could somebody help milking and it just so happened this the girl who said dare help me was took his sister Bridget so I had been around them because by now I'm a juvenile delinquent today hadn't had the term gang banging established and so this pride of that so at this time I already had been around cooking instance to eighth grade where there be here him Mouse name and older ones then we have rusty toots and us and to be the next level so we have been around and been around them since Dave grade but in 72 is when the Crips first got public acknowledge okay so what year did you officially join the Crips the day they started on the west side and that day was they've been around since about 71 71 okay and what was that crew actually called during that time well they've always said gang banging so you'll get a fool gaps grass of what we're talking about like on the Eastside before there were Crips you had slauson's South Park Manchester Park Boys Cafe boys smacks these all evolved into being up under one umbrella Crips so on the Westside I wouldn't I wasn't wit no gangs I mean it's for snow clicks I had my I was a click and mouth crew so we end up being a Tory gangsters but coming up you had cafe boys you had smacks but I I worked with both of them we applied our trade where we was like freelancing okay so the a trade gangsters is based on the street name 83rd yes okay was there a reason why he called yourselves at the a trade gangster crips I named as gangster crips cuz when we was coming up grew up on top movies don't touch' Bo's Eliot Ness Humphrey Bogart and we used to have a little game where we come and get me copper and stuff like this and then we also had a different standard where befo color suicide we had a different way where you could identify us before colors even came because prior to that is being a West Side [ __ ] the reward across the range and this was going toward the prevalence of colors well talked about see people have to know to order that disco and then you'll get a better picture of what we're trying to convey before the end before gangster crips you have to discuss the West Side East Side in Compton we didn't have colors we walk cross earrings that's how you knew to get between the [ __ ] they didn't have blood you had Piru van is karate families swans bishops so there wasn't this era we don't skip when we were West Side Crips so once that happened now when the gangster Chris come out this is when internal struggle started and they started to try to get a struggle structure and everybody started going into sets at this time and that's when you start getting the sixties Day trays deny nose to Underground's the blocks all these sets that you see have names behind them with the final end and saying Crypt that was later on okay so you said that you've seen people get killed since around 12 or 13 years old mm-hmm how old were you when he first saw someone get killed probably 66 whenever Sam Cooke got killed because I went we were standing on 92nd and over at that time and a little while after that my mom sent me to the store to get some bread and I walked in where guy had shot somebody in the head in the store right when I was walking in he was shooting him and he looked at me did like this and I took the rest of that money and went out that back door and you were what 12 about in it I know I was still in elementary I think okay what happens to a 12 year old when he sees that didn't do that never thought of it he didn't where I went home and told my momma I just kept my mouth shut oh he didn't tell you about what he just saw no she didn't know terror at the time I just told her not to no no no I never said a word actually this first time I was saying it publicly okay so you knew dr. snitch even back then as a 12 year old where depends on I just knew to keep my mouth shut okay and then nobody didn't inquire about it nobody knew I even was there when it happened when he went out that backdoor I went out to other door and went back and didn't say nothing and handed my mother a money back okay so at what point did you start carrying guns yourself stop scaring guns probably at about 14 there okay had you already joined the Crips at that point I joined Christian I had always been around him so I always had been around him before he started and when they started on the Westside yeah yeah I'm a Mangum with him okay yeah we active and was there at like a jump in that happened back then are you being a founder that dinner party nah I wouldn't have found I'm mm-hmm see that's that's later on in life we talking 50 years that is in our era we never told no kid to come join nothing we never told these cats fought over fighting somebody else before you it wasn't none of that jumping in wasn't nothing about being told to go do this and when they did try to start that that's when you end up with this sense and that's how that came about else the Westside didn't last very long simply because of somebody trying to tell somebody what to do particularly the younger ones okay so here you are 13 14 15 years old you're now part of this this gang you're carrying a gun what are some of the the situations that are happening during this age we going to come talk to you you'll be in high school every day so say I met where at that time I mean yeah I'm in junior high in junior I was going to a reform school called Jackson so that was about when Terry could go so that's about it 14 or 15 so we carrying guns one with Robin carjacking taking leather coats that's what we're doing with the pistol and every night in this because killing didn't start till 72 after the balloon murder so in 71 we were scaring pistols but we was pairing and more so for the purpose a jacket at that time and we were still fighting in school every day because every day you're going to school I went to like 15 of them so you might be a crunch on high which is song to Venice Boise area which was end up being Bloods so every day you got to go and you might be seeing them after school in the morning but you're going into enemy territory so that's the difference in our hair and how they go now we had to go to the action okay so you're carrying around guns but you're not actually shooting at people at this point you're just using it to make money pretty much and that too and protection protection because they they might have guns so every night man you might have a pistol but at that time since I was going to a school where it was all Latinos that was in South East LA over by Roosevelt that was used in I remember one time they somebody climbed in a pigpen and shot up the hole where they used to have a smoke area where everybody has come smoke and just so happened somebody shut up and lit up the whole smoke area so you could have instances of shootings yes okay were you being shot at during this time mmm not at that time very any want to shoot at crisp too much because of the repercussions yeah mm-hmm okay so then things start to progress and you said you started to feel like a rock star being in this gang no I didn't feel like no rust or I said that was the image I never feel like it was glorified it just was business okay this is what's going on and this is what we represent and this is what we getting down with so as far as in the inner city it was the equivalent of being jay-z or something else or anybody else Tupac biggie anybody that's was it was a fad it was very you know it was it was a thing it was the culture it was a culture how's your mom taking this here you have you know her all the son he's not really going to school he's carrying pistols he's getting into various crimes cuz are you being caught during this time or are you being arrested or are you getting away with most of it well at 13 and 14 I hadn't really consistently so all the times you just see it how she felt about she didn't know about really but eventually she found out mm-hmm-hmm okay were you getting arrested at some point yes for what now we've gone into gang activity robbing and usually carrying a concealed weapon do getting arrested for that but you're still a juvenile mm-hmm sorry being sent to Youth Authority or I grew up in Youth Authority actually by the time I was 17 I had been arrested 40 times because they didn't have no Dru without laws for us they didn't have no laws for carjacking which they called it now when we were doing it it was GTA we didn't get no time for having a tattoo they get ten years gang enhancements so every time we were doing there were no laws for juveniles doing the things that we were doing or if they did notice them it was nothing cuz nobody hadn't been doing it like that before okay so you got arrested 40 times mmm welcome what was the most time you end up doing during that where they didn't have no laws for they just let you back out it was a revolving with the wild wild west you get caught for murder it was a two-year continuance that's the most you don't get for and that's stretching it you would get two years for a murder as a juvenile that's just mind-blowing to me that's you also end up getting from these group of men the juvenile Fitness hearing that you get today that comes from Crips and bloods in 71-72 you also have the expulsion law that's what when you get caught with a gun on campus you get set out of city schools and I have to go to a CIF school or reform school that come from Crips carjacking GT adn later on they started making all these things end up making it tougher the way these kids nine days they get the death penalty for somewhere we didn't even get a checkmark for ya so basically all the rules start to change based on the stuff that you guys were doing back then and they started catching on for instance everybody look at Tookie a lot of them dudes these founders Raymond took him to get a bad rep they never carried a gun no they never carried a gun Raymond Washington got killed in 79 I was with him the day before that took he got arrested in March 79 and I was with him a couple of days before that while I told him - dude you wit it's a snitch well at that time we didn't had a word snitch it was telling I say man I think this boy telling so I've been around him quite a bit and that's a myth the killing didn't start telling younger ones that were 13 14 year olds got in the game that's the ones that started the violence okay and I want to I want to talk about that but I just want to touch on two key and Raymond Washington so you were close to both of them mm-hmm okay now Raymond Washington end up getting killed was the situation around that well I don't know the situation around it I'm not gonna speak on it but I can speak on my last days with you and at that time Raymond was sending the cause he just had a purchase of vehicle and we have went on 117 for my talking to my boy red from Hoover and they were in the cars and stuff and at that time he supposed to have been making a deal to trade a car with him and right after that about no more than 48 hours later we see message that somebody had called Raymond up to the car and shy and he got assassinated right after that was the person convicted who killed him nobody's ever been no one's ever been convicted of that one okay how did you feel when your friend Raymond Washington got killed well actually the same person that told on Turkey had just told on me so now I'm in jail I'm in jail now the same snitch that I told Tookie to look out for he don't told on me about a jury still drive around there so right before Raymond at that time I was in jail but let me tell you this though it wasn't no hoopla when this grandstanding like this wrapping acting and more tree art it was keep it quiet and that's it all right knew and took he were close as well yes sir now two keys kind of a you know a mythical figure because you know a lot of the rappers talked about him and you know mention him in the songs and so forth based on your relationship with Tookie describe him to me he used to clog a boy at a crib he's to face the front man okay took him Gemayel sang when they told him the jack and lighted him took what face that a chriskiss Raymond at this time now Raymond's in jail see took he could stay and mess around because the end of getting the job working for juvenile hall running boys homes in Compton a lot of people don't know that so he quit going to jail after about 1972 somewhere and start robbing a boys home but took he never carried a gun they were fighters and took it in half the tale so when we start being when took he talked took he didn't talk to everybody might have took he's standing here talking to say gemayel from the east side and we'll be right behind him but it only beat him talking took he was huge yeah he was he was huge back then I saw quite a few of them with news Monson you had Michael Christian let's not forget about him in this equation Craig trata de sort of also the founding members also that were there that was on par with took him that people don't even know existed but you had Michael Christian Mac time is big honcho Wayne day in Arlen all these guys were mustered Donna Archie who brought took he over to the west side that's who brought him in so let's not forget him that's doc so yeah took he was like the Clark Gable he might be we might be at the farm where you got Michael Jackson singing on stage and you got them posing and we up here robbing the whole stadium while they posed him so these are the younger ones yeah Debbie Posen will be bribing passing the hat around everybody empty your pockets you'd be robbing concerts basically I've seen them robbed a whole section where the Crips don't section office section passed a Derby's down and have something in your pockets if we check twice okay but then took he gets arrested mm-hmm and you say that someone you knew snitched on mm-hmm you also say that he was framed he was and I've go so far to say this see now when we talk about social justice our voices need to be heard and let's let's just go with facts I must say it is I guarantee you I put every man on death row in the world including my life that if we ever go into the court of giving my allegations her wish they were because his lawyers came and filed an affidavit 72 hours before he was executed and they denied it and they aired without coming to talk to me I bet everybody life on death row in America that my allegations stand true up under Brady versus Maryland prosecutorial misconduct he'd aimed for things he said that he was fighting his life for and each one of them in the hindsight were correct and I bet my life on it well he was convicted on four counts of murder committed in two or three separate instances no let's get it straight two separate answers and that's he got the murder at 270 Levin in Whittier and he got the murder or the triple homicide at the hotel on Vermont that's where the cover-up is he did the first murder see people get these murders all mixed up and then they go to saying oh he guilty all of that's not true 99.9 of these people don't even know what happened in that case I was there I introduced you to the people that go I know what happened his lawyers came and seen me there in my affidavit I gave them they covered it up and up under Brady vs. Maryland which he was fighting his life for these their own records I can prove any allegation that he said later on in hindsight they were true and this is why one of the reasons we attacked the death penalty because she cannot take a person's life back after you don't made a mistake it was a crucial error made on this man's life and I'm not talking factual about the governor giving him clemency I talk to them I'm talking about in the court of law up under Brady versus Maryland and that's what most people usually get out of from a life sentence to get relief because it throws out all three of the murders the encases should have been thrown out and they erred by not hear my testimony at that time okay but he was ultimately convicted given the death penalty quite a few of them have been ultimately convicted but also you forget the other side a lot of them have been exonerated that got to get out of life whereas in his case he didn't did you maintain contact with him after he went to prison well I did 30-some years in prison at that time I'm in prison but during the time that he was initially arrested for the murder yeah cuz the same snitch told on me but we didn't know it at that time right so we're going to the same court together Kyle Lyle Menendez what's in there okay quite a few of them cuz I've given them notes we passing notes they bring him out to visit I be out and visit it so yeah we've making contact at that time but at the time we didn't know the snitch had snitched on both of us well took he went on to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize based on the books he wrote right yes sir and he was actually up for clemency but Schwarzenegger denied his application for clemency and again I'm getting executed I had heard they actually broke a bunch of needles even trying to get the needle in his arm because he was so muscular well what happened was they couldn't get it in their barber Becnel that was the one that helped him write the books they had called me in the office because everybody knew that I knew what happened and was hoping so first-hand accounts barber told me they couldn't find a vein the content and nursed was nervous and that's actually they stopped executing in California behind that up under the cruel unusual punishment because and start making it where they had to get a different cocktail a combination it used to be three I think they just overturned it so yeah he was that big now I can tell you this about how Beatty was when he was at its peak you know you got your handcuffs you couldn't put took your hands behind him so when they had in 79 when he got arrested you had to have shackles a chain would have wrapping and their cuffs wrists but the chain just wrap his hands that's how big it was okay so then yeah he was enormous how did you feel when took he got executed that an innocent man had lost his life due to the criminal justice system and what could I do to make sure it don't happen to nobody else and that's when I wrote the book the new slaves yeah a ship that doesn't sail three strikes me and that's also in honoring him and try to get social change and justice it was wrong what happened I got not only him I got twenty thirty other partners of mines on death row and you know one of the things that's wrong with uh the death penalty if you're gonna have it make it where it's Universal that mean if like Spanky or whatever his name was where he killed his wife we lost the gun and the restaurant and then his wife get killed right outside that could have been a death penalty case Thailand Lyle Menendez they killed a mama for financial gain the mother and father yeah but why they didn't get the death penalty a good point stuff so either if you see I don't care if you have it or not cuz it ain't addy tearing yeah just somebody that's doing crime on the streets that's just a myth mode you don't see them running off crying and hollering when they going to the death chamber it's no more let me tell you it's nothing mode psychologically damaged then waking up in the morning in prison knowing you're gonna die in there trust me that's a hard pill to swallow well in 1979 along with tookies arrest was the start of the a tre wrong 60s war hmm did you know the guys involved in the original altercation mm-hmm okay so I understand the whole thing was over a girl yes sir can you explain the story well at that time prior to that Rick big Rick brother got killed in March 79 when I went to jail that's when they start escalating because when I moved on 60 on tenth Avenue so I have been we already had we had a relationship with them then they got into a fight a guy from 9o gangster whatever he end up shooting big Rick brother which is Tyrone and I have been knowing Tyrone since he was seven eight years old at that time so Tyrone get killed at I rose from her old sixties yes mm-hmm but the guy that killed him wasn't from a trade gangster he was from nine oak so at that time they wanted to turn this guy in him and they were telling them we can't do that we had nothing to do with it at that time and when then it just escalated from there because now I have went to jail they didn't actually start war until 1980 because they didn't know each other like that after I left I was the common glue because I stayed on 10th Avenue when I moved off 83rd and Western I moved on 63rd and 10th Avenue and when I moved on 10th Avenue over there they were bishops not the 60s they had bishops lucky in them but they also end up having neighborhood it's what started off as and actually I got into a confrontation with lucky to wear me barefoot Pookie I'm getting dropped off from school one day and I see a group of men at the southern end of this party just when I first moved over there and I asked him where they from and they say we're bishops so I'll sell you Eastside Bishop's like the Eastside [ __ ] cuz I never heard no Whistler bishops and they say yeah you know mines AK worse was don't be here tomorrow and the mall came I stayed where I stayed they left and then the rollin 60s appeared and already were in place because they were spinoff from Westside anyway so that's when the 60 started mmm well I interviewed a big you hmm and he was around during this whole time I'd seen some other interviews where basically he was describing how these fights will start to escalate and before that time there really was not number one there weren't a lot of murders and Crips and bloods really weren't shooting at each other like that where weren't a lot of murders between Crips no not at that time that time but they always had been internal murders but at that time they were still blood versus Crips this changed the whole landscape in 1982 correct but it was a lot of no 72 73 74 75 there were a lot of murders well big you said that the see was born in 69 but was split in 79 so now you have a situation where he said it was a first grip on [ __ ] rivalry in LA history that was one of them the first clip on [ __ ] rivalry was the Hoover's in the hundreds okay you know who you got West Side East Side Compton and then the Hoover's came and a lot of Crips didn't like them so at that time when we start going into sets you had to Hoover's the gangsters and the sixties creating the Bermuda Triangle we were all together uh-huh so the Hoover's also have been fighting since 74 internally but it just didn't start to get publicly and go big the way it split right down the middle like big you say that's when it really parted ways to read see in which we had two standing today right and he said thatthat split you know that beef between the tray gangsters in the rhone 60 rollin 60 scripts Crippen started in 60 and 69 this is when they say the scene was born hmm the scene was one of 69 but in 79 deceivers were split up and more than is more than there was a beef with the rollin 60s in the HOA gangsters it split up la yeah like when when the roller season 8r a gangster started fighting it split split la in half it split the nation spread la split uh continents to this day that split it pretty much you were allies with them or either you were allies with us well he also said he became an arms race it became like an arms race and changed their lady and what people to understand is it changed la in the fact that we're now you had to either decide he was gonna be with the neighborhood court or he was gonna be with the gangster car and they split the gangs of LA everyone had to take sides at that point he won't have to take sighs yeah what sort of change as that started to escalate well I was doing time in prison and uh since I never got involved in it I can't describe what was happening because I don't know nothing about crap on crap that's a different era right see I'm pride see I never left home I'm strictly blood versus Crips so that's a different era so I don't know about no wrong race all I know is the violence got real real real real quick tell actually for 47 years yeah yeah one of the most deadliest rivalries in there but by the grace of God since I knew both of them from the day seeds I stayed out the way I didn't take this side and I didn't take that side or try to hurt I wouldn't take my skills I actually I just stopped gangbang and actually at 17 yeah because I couldn't go against these dudes that I had been going with now imma turn around because of a thing and they started said see everybody I grew up with started sets they didn't join those six that's a big difference like when you say old G I don't like to be called og because they say original gangster I'm originally started that term then to black exploitation films start coming out with Jim Brown and our lemonade would call oh jeez I see how you got original gangsters right but og actually start from the Crips which stood for original Crips original members and so it's been watered down a little bit when you say old G okay mm-hmm well I saw an interview with og hunchy hmm from the 8th race and he said that the a tre wrong sixties war he said it was the dumbest war in the world because it started with two teenagers fighting over a female he was there he was there that's why I'd refer to him I was in jail but they hadn't been into a dinner on Chi Sidewinder Rayford big rig od Shah they all got into a conflict over there and that's how that went about he was actually there him Baker Sidewinder are them so hmm okay so you get sentenced to 30 years which one well what was the first long sentence that you got I got framed after the loan since I was one of the first to get to three strikes after being framed by police 10 I got a 35 year to life sentence for two hours but for drugs okay what kind of drugs cocaine but two dollars I wasn't even threatened in life they implemented a law in 1994 they had been trailing me for 90 days placed some drugs on me to make me a poster child for the three-strikes and I got 35 years to life for a law that was written in 1994 Nick went backwards and said my price that happened in 7576 our strikes ha ha so mm-hmm okay but this is much later this is 94 mm-hmm we're talking 79 80 80 79 you was getting uh three years for robbery right see I was going in and out right so so what are you getting convicted of a long life so robberies I never been convicted of violence against any person okay I've strictly robbing a guns okay armed robberies okay and how much time are you getting freeze of these robberies once again they didn't have no laws he's getting no two years three years 16 months as juveniles I was arrested 35 times for robbery okay so at 17 you stopped gangbang pretty much okay were you locked up during that time or you're out well from 1314 I went to jail all the way almost tearin till 94 when I got the life sentence I was in and out of involving dough I got caught up in the juvenile justice system so yeah well you said something interesting you said they've always had gangs the only difference with the Crips and bloods is their anti-black mm-hmm everything else was Pro black mm-hmm that's why I stopped that's why the movement stopped yeah the civil rights movement stopped because the Crips and bloods when we started going to prison we had to fight the Mexican Mafia the black guerrilla family we coming in their following George Jackson Geronimo Pratt these were they just had had a Sam Moran shootout where they went and tried escaping from San Quentin uh from solid to solid dad brothers and all that and here it is a group of young blacks coming in for getting into it with blacks they didn't like that so that was another war that people don't even know about what you had to check your guns into the county when you come in it ain't no care no gun now you better have some heart yeah I mean it's an interesting way to look at it that the Crips and bloods usually shoot other black people well that whatever his name is professor Tyson you know I got a saying every race has a organization that will kill me and my fellow blacks because of the color of our skin but blacks only killed blacks because of the areas they stay in see we got a system set up to where they created to where it's basically if you make a a trap let's go in LA off 83rd and western if I go south I may end up in Beverly Hills so I know I better not go there cuz I get caught doing what i doing in a city somebody fooled around get the death penalty going to an all-white if I go to Palace Verdes north I mean South now I'm going to Palos Verdes South that's what it was sending us from there they had a 99.9 for conviction rate would add to overturn all the judges and tear down the whole courtroom but that's where we were going to court as juveniles if I go to the West we got the beach if I go to the East we got Westminster so what happens is and we're trapped inside like rats in a maze and if you get too hungry rats eat rats so what happens is it's very easy first of all to kill a stranger very easy to kill a stranger in LA and then you go and do that and then you run back because we're the closest cuts it's more easier to get away so we only prey on each other because of the closeness and the nearness like for instance I'm not going to leave 83rd and Western and go all the way to Compton to shoot nobody but we also don't know who's all shoot could be the police which go on we don't know then you have the gun violence it's multiple ways to where we being oppressed where you can get killed by gunfire very dangerous in these streets these inner cities these pockets of poverty as Obama Carlin well monster kody was in a tray do you guys know each other hmm okay he's a little bit younger than you yes I but he's still the first generation war yeah yeah he's still younger but he was around okay he's been around how would you describe a monster kody alright guy would mean been a brown and we always be done a lot of times he just all around good guy with me I mean what'd he do outside of what he do for me on a personal relationship you dropped his in and did what he did I did what I did but he from a tre this money oh yeah I mean his book was one of the first books that I read about about crypts he had a couple books there's a book that he wrote himself and there was a book that this uh this woman wrote about him where he was a primary character and that was just kind of just mind-blowing to me how he would just wake up in the morning and go shoot at people and then come home have lunch it would just be a normal day now that I can agree no mm-hmm I can understand that because that's actually what gang banging was about see all these other images being a drug dealer and saying oh I'm a [ __ ] just in that gang banging is when you active and you're really going at somebody or you protecting yourself all the other things so that in that mindset I can see that happening I've done it before shooting your people or protecting myself after getting shot at okay but the difference is my era we kept it within the rules and the guidelines to want those that signed up to play this game like how many times you've been shot at if you were to count them all up mmm shot at probably 20 times 30 but now ask me how many murders I know about all the murders he know about about 1500 mm how many times did you actually get shot never been shot never actually touched no stabbed no jumped no oh let me say this when I first just like I said before we hang banging we juvenile delinquents dealing and stuff like this they used to have a shoe store Kenny's shoe store right across the street from st. Andrew's Park - where are the Crips used to me I'm about Dave gray and I'll go steal some Stasi atom biscuits because a lot of people died over biscuits at that time stepping on these biscuits on their toes I send a lot of people lose their life over that well we're stepping on someone's shoes no more different robbing for Jordan tennis so nothing they doing new just a different name but back in this days you've been not step on nobody biscuit okay but I'm going back to the jumping if I don't stole the biscuits I run across the st. Andrews apart now this is just when I'm moving over there and I run over there with the tenants and you got guys that work wit took you but took even in wedding there but they were older and they they were end up being in the big boy and the murders later on with big by now but when I run over there they older guys and they take my Stacy axe but I fight him and my momma say on there he came home with a black eye I don't know I got it but that's high-end so I went and stole another pair to next day but the next time I go up to the park with these stone and I had a pissed on me ain't had a problem since well what changed about you after you started getting shot at you said there was roughly 20 times your nothing ever changed so you just took it in stride that's part of the game okay we're other people getting hit around you very few people around me took loss it's none of my friends that I grew up with ever got killed okay what do I shot later on but dirt but I had quit gangbanging by 17 but from my year 13 to 17 we didn't take no losses Chris period when too many of us again we've went for one thing like when we being in juvenile hall where you can really see the numbers it might be a hundred of us and maybe two bloods but we never jumped on them I mean you talking about pudding Tamm but they just Erica dough a little country forward dog Jerome McMillan sweet Connie Michel Jourdain all these a big time blood later on in life because that was a congregation point to where the Crips and the younger brothers started meeting because they didn't have law so a lot of breehn took place within the juvenile system so it wasn't a lot of losses in the early stages for the Crips okay and you said that you shot at people before no I said I only protected myself okay meaning you shot back yeah I shot back I've got you know monster kody in his book he said something interesting he said that if he's on his block and you know the enemy's roll up on his block let's say the role in 60s would wrong roll down on his block he said that him as homies was shooted out regardless of how many people showed up and how our number they were but one police would show up and everybody was scattered about well gonna stand there with illegal guns after shooting at each other what they for us to do oh you asked me could that possibly be true or you asked to me what that's what what else there for us to do after they don't got into it well it just no I'm saying not not to link those two situations together I'm saying that you know hear him being an a trade gangster he would shoot it out with any anyone else it doesn't matter how it number they were but in general one police would show up and everybody would scatter it just shows the the mentality of at the end of the day did these are all brave men that all stand up for themselves but nobody wants to go up against the police and that's where we different see I'm gonna equal opportunity right now and that's why I say don't get everybody mixed up under the same cloth a lot of times you have to know that individual 1992 the gangster crips had to ride after Rodney King we have a history of standing up against police misconduct and I particularly do because I'm not scared of dying right now I'm going to 83 year sentence I'm coming off from Georgia where once again I was wrongly convicted and that's a lawyer in Lawrenceville that needs to be bought for the rest of his life where they charged me with three counts of attempted murder on the police I was found guilty I received 80 some years sentence I'm doing 30 years parole now so at this point you can't tell me about not engaged in police because I will when my civil rights are being violated and that did happen and it's a lot of us a lot that will well right the Reginald Denny a situation when he got beat up which ended up being on camera those were a trace that's historic Lawrence enormity yep football to LA for a lot of scrutiny and surveillance came up behind it on us they came and arrested me first they locked me up in jail when the riots happened and I'm in prison so why would she lock me up in prison for a ride on the streets then when I got out they end up finding a gang of weapons in somebody backyard if I went out for the rise how am I know something about some gun but they came and got me and picked me up in a gang suite and I'm standing in the Fox Hill mall at $2,000 a month rent having money but these are the labels that happens that also to the underside it is so I've always been a person where I never violated where I would threaten somebody life to try to take them like when I was robbing I'm not gonna kill you if you say I'm not gonna I might try to bluff you out of it but I'm not gonna try to harm you for that money I've always had a sense of fairness to where if you threaten somebody's life don't be mad if you US be taken as simple as that well I interviewed a afro man and he was actually a trade gangster as well do you guys know each other I just seen him yeah he'd be with the Saudi and him yeah I know afro yeah he described how they was blessing in these kids and these kids was coming from the west side those were all rollin 60s so even though my hood was two blocks away I'm in a school full of rollin 60s you like horse man that's where the tricks G state-raised and thais boys come from they spurns from there that's all they come out there whereas when you go to Henry Clay up the road you getting the hundreds to underground block Watergate Raymond you're getting a lot of other sects from there so if high schools is where the Crips actually started breeding from the Unified School District and parks and recreations have a big role in the breeding of people being inaugurated into the games well I remember I grew up in the bay where you didn't have Crips and bloods and I didn't know about Crips and bloods until the movie colors came out did that movie change the perception and the visibility of Crips what a deer do is commercializing where somebody made some money or other people that a real gang member so he hidden a dime that's what it did do and actually I never seen I don't look at none of their movies okay and the reason I say this because as usually don't dick depicted the things we did so imma be looking at something so I never seen a movie to make a comment on okay and then in the late 80s NWA came out and I mean ice-t was out before then so that that was the first you know la gangster rapper but NWA I feel like changed you know really change the perception of gangs in LA and I remember I interviewed the world class wrecking crew now first of all gangs have been around forever Los Angeles gangs had different reasons for existence some gangs started off to fight our white people some gangs were designed to fight the police in the community cuz what we're experiencing right now is nothing new it's just it's just being televised more so the ratio of gangbangers to civilians was miniscule in the early 70s in early 80s late late 70s early 80s okay right after NWA now I've been in the club business all this time and I stopped making records I started went back to my second career which is nightclub owner what happened was NWA and Rekha were gangster rap made gangster lifestyle cool so the ratio started to change everybody was a game baby used to be 5% gangbanger okay because gangbangers at once upon the time had a cold day you had you just couldn't have a gun you had to be able to fight you had to have something to bring to the hood other than a pistol well at some point in time when the dope end of an adult and the gang banging became profitable everybody became a gang breaker so now you got 95% gangsters or 30% gangsters and 10% 10% civilians even though that happens everything everything went crazy because now theatres clubs parking lot the park everything is a war zone yeah okay there used to be a time there were places that you could go and you could feel safe but when gangster rap when the gangster lifestyle became fashionable the whole city became one big ass war zone do you remember seeing all that mmm I was way back the conception at that time and that's my boy who made we are in the same gang only reason I wouldn't I've been around since the hip hop started on the west coast through being around Michael conception so but like I said I was still going to jail 79 80 81 so I missed out on being in the video because I didn't have time to wait on him because he'd say Mike hey Miller man I tell you man I'm forgetting this just wreck again because grand jury records was made started in Carson on Sanborn in a little room with their milk shells on the mic which is where yet today but I couldn't wait I wanted the immediate gratification so things did change as far as putting it on a national scale and that culture from the era it did make it expand to where it was the element of expansion but there also was something going on at that time too and that was that drug trade right because when crack came in now you're monetizing no now yeah no but what you're doing is Crips and bloods are starting to go out of town where they getting double the money and claiming [ __ ] and also debt so that that's just one part of it so you see how it is it's other elements that also but as far as NWA they helped popularize it make it a fad waked a sociable and acceptable yeah but the only thing that's acting and rapping to where you have real people that would lose in day lives 79 80 81 and that's when they started coming out so you did but the level that's That's Entertainment let's not forget the fact that you still had dudes that were still very very active that wouldn't rapid this ain't see gang bangin ain't rapping at dinner entertainment where after two or three songs or or two movie in and it's over with I've been in this game 48 years not a minute 9 had to sit and not worry about my life or had a stigma [ __ ] because in LA it's a whole different ball game and fabric as opposed to the nation you could be in Texas you could be in New York and say I ain't banging no more you can go in and be a grandfather in LA you don't get to be that because you're still up under the same conditions you still within the same around and to wear the same [ __ ] is going on so you feel to this day you have to look over your shoulder based on some of the things you used to do no I never had to look over my shoulder for nothing I did because it's always been within the rules I don't have no smut on me I don't have no shoot nobody in the back our name our face was our ID and our passports were a pistol see your eros are different than what you usually see because very few people talk on this subject that's been around as long as I have so you usually only hit after the 1980s like where you come in but very few talk about the 9 10 years to where it really made it what it is today because the rules were different and a lot of these guys get bad breaks she like when you say a tray rolling 60 to me it should be Crips vs. Bloods during that era say I never participated in [ __ ] on crib so nothing happened after 1980 do I even know about I don't know what it feel like to shoot a trip at one point you said you got framed with $2 worth of cocaine mm-hmm and even though you didn't have two strikes before they retroactively Lee gave you two strikes California is the only state out of 33 states that had the three strikes law in 94 when it first came out where they lost retroactive so it was signed as the emergency major overnight no voter registration or registration it was signed by the governor because who's the governor at the time I want to say Brown okay I would just take a guess that's brown but Clinton name was also running for presidency then yet I was here the war on drugs yeah but this is what catapulted tough-on-crime which created my book right there the new slaves yeah it predicted incarceration stone because of the accidents that occurred in California up under the three strikes law which was came out March 7th 1994 but it was retroactive we could go back to 1894 so overnight with the swipe of a pen where governor said emergency measures need to be taken emergency mergers what was happening in 1994 to where you need to make a law that went retroactive that would lock a man up for his prior offense but then you ain't made no law to go and put Charles Manson back on death Road you killed and executed Tukey after you let Charles Manson off but you didn't go and make a law to where you could go and put Charles Manson back on death row so if you follow me they made a law was the race of law basic no follow me you made a law that could go backwards and take my life for some not play guilty for 1973 they stopped the death penalty just very important but it's 1977 they started it back yeah now if you started this law back to where the death penalty is in effect why you didn't go back and get Charles Manson and put them back on death row records medicine died in prison or natural cause it'll cut the point is they couldn't go backwards because it adversely affect them but you made a law in 94 to go back and take my life now you see no law has ever been made like that yes in the United States but yet we talk about social justice and attacking in a criminal justice system this law is three strikes law if jay-z dm4 to talk about social change because a lot of times they get up in there he just signed with the NFL and they talk about federal laws that cover the land but the federal laws aren't what lucky needs black men up in these minorities up in these paws it's the state laws so a lot of times that's just front we are down on the ground and we think this law should be overturned on a national level and we thank the President Clinton when he apologized he wasn't apologizing for a federal law he implemented he was pologize and for endorsing Polly Klaas and Mike Reynolds three strikes law to where he endorsed it and that pushed it over to where I got my life taken okay so in 1994 you were given a felony which made it your third strike mm-hmm and you were sentenced to 35 to 40 years I sentenced 25 years to life plus a nine-year consecutive sentence if I died and came back I had to finish them okay 25 to life and the to life is one of those things that everyone tries to avoid like for example I interviewed Reggie right Junior we talked about Shooks case he would have had to win six times to not get life in jail win six times because there was six different charges it was three different charges but he wouldn't had to beat those twice because they would have kept returning abundantly three strikes law exactly because he was facing his third strike yes you know I've heard of instances where people get two years to life and 25 years later they're still they're still in prison trying well it's a trump you know trying to get parole mm-hmm well up under the law as it stand now I got a friend that's been in there I got a cup of them I got one that got a hundred years where all it was was a domestic dispute and he's still in there where the girl didn't want him to go and get that time day at that time it was the mandatory that you received a life sentence and I got another friend of Mines that's been in there 25 years now for less than a I want to say else a cocaine but they had these propositions these props were no knives and these other things that were you if you're in there for drugs that your first two had and released our lower-level why they still in there he's been in there 25 years how did you feel when the judge told you getting 25 years to life and you were how old at the time at that time 94 94 I'd have been going on probably almost about 37 okay 37 years old you're being told 25 years to life how did you feel when you heard that well what ran through my mind at that time cuz I already knew by being framed from the beginning I was fair to get it so it wasn't no thought when I got sentence but I know what I did ran through my mind was well maybe I'm being punished for things I got away with I can't cry about it mmm she accepted it you ain't got yeah I have to accept it because I feel that's only fair that's a fair bit sometimes you do a lot of things where you get away with it and sometimes karma come back and get you but my main objective was they did I was framed they did a legal search they withheld evidence and try to prove it and that's what I ended up doing and I'm the first one to ever get out of it but I didn't cry I didn't pout I just took it ass you know this is the hand I'm dealt and what I what can I do to get myself up out of it okay so you get 25 to life sentence for your third strike but you managed to get it reversed yes sir explain how you did that well they came with a warrantless search that's why to show you example now I like so people can get a picture in the perspective of how this system work they did a warrantless search which is the same thing in the OJ Simpson case you remember they kept hogging about them jumping the gate with no warrant there's only three ways you can go into somebody the house behind the door is called extended circumstances house on fire you ran in there or they think you are endangered other than that you have to have a warrant so they ran into this house with no warrant and said that I was running on parole but I just had went to court for a traffic ticket and I had a pass with me for me to be there I give him the pass and say because I staffed our tell the people at the house I say asked him to see the warrant the search warrant for the house because I knew they should have one so they say we don't need one so they said we're here to arrest you Melbourne I say you had to arrest me for what absconding running on parole and you can read the newspaper because it was big news they say I was running on parole so I tell them no I am running on parole I got a pass from my parole agent I gave him the pass all the police ATF agents and everybody know let's see is this for me of scanning why you got ATF agents there you have sharpshooters sitting out the window so if I run out to shoot me and I get in the past they all heard her out the next thing I know they lost the pass but then my mother because I called until my mother say call my parole agent tell him to call up here and tell him he knew I was here he tell my mother okay I do it but after the police called him he go and get the copies that I had and he took them out the folders and him with my momma calling after four or five days after she realized I might be facing a life sentence behind this and I'm facing life she know I know is to be dismissed he said okay miss former i'ma tell you my new Melvin was there and the next thing you know he's got ready to copy it at and he came to court and said he never no and he never told my mother he actually told my mama don't call again he didn't know Melbourne was there and he came to court and my but I got out because of the illegal search and seizure okay up under the law they didn't have no right to do it but I didn't get my day in court for them throwing away to pass and planning the dope that was there okay how much time did you serve by the time they reverse that I did just about four years four years mm-hmm okay I didn't allows $250,000 that they took from me folk are my apartment my furniture my money and I didn't get nothing back okay well these two got your freedom back though yeah but I didn't get a day my day in court yeah see when I got arrested my 60 times I never cried but what happens when you got a complaint where your rights violated well I don't get my day in court if I can write a book and say that the police planted drugs on me or in this case here well I don't get my day in court yeah I feel you okay so once you got your case thrown out and the strike reversed you weren't on parole at all mm-hmm but you're currently on parole mm-hmm okay so what was that for but could I tell you something about when I got out something about when I got out please very interesting okay when I got ready to get out since I was the first one to ever get out from three strikes and I'm on a level four yard that's the highest it could go and everybody on there got life these men asked me to don't forget about them all of them had life up under three strikes for non violent non serious offenses and so still keeping that promise today so by me not having no parole I could go anywhere I hadn't seen my mom I hadn't seen my family for those four years my life looked like I was sober with but I never lost face but you know where I went I went right to Fresno where I was arrested at and I called out to Arthur the three strikes law that's Mike Reynolds and I could told him that's debate the three strikes and he granted me that and we had a debate on the biggest radio station down there and I had to tell him I'm sorry for doing him like that I did because I'm gonna tell you up okay but we had a rapport but that show you how bad I feel and how wrong and I just I didn't think about going to see my mama I didn't think about me being free I'm thinking about those men I left behind behind this unjust law to wear a white man daughter got killed but he gets to make a law that affects my life and I've been around death and when we get killed we don't get no loss they made crime bills uh-huh so Mike Reynolds daughter got killed was ender and net and then Holocaust when Tim backed it up but what he did was if my daughter got killed and I'm fighting in her honor I'm gonna have her face put up there on that picture he went and took the party cloths kidnapping took his daughter off because she had a questionable past and made it a passionate plea and that's when Clinton came and endorsed it because the garner votes got it mm-hmm okay but you're currently on parole right now from Georgia okay in how many years I was sentenced to 83 years in Georgia in 2014 for what three counts of attempted murder on the police and five other counts so we got into it you talked about the situation yeah cuz I didn't get my day in court then I want my day in court now okay so explain what happened I'm hustling because that's another thing you're getting this game where you've been in it so long you'd be too old of working too young for Social Security and that's where I'm at so in 2010 I'm hustling in Georgia are we doing credit card but I see it ain't going right so I try to run to the car we had the biggest model in Lawrenceville Georgia Gwinnett County the most Richardson here and I run to the car and the police chased me open the wind open the door car door before I could start it I got my answer they put three guns right here one two three and had two ladies standing here was something I'm armed but my answer so I'm only looking right down this borough somebody's like this for 15 minutes and I get tired and I told him me that you're gonna put them in cuffs on me or you gonna have to pull it a trigger but while I'm looking straight down this Burrell I don't know they don't surrounded this car my car with other vehicles to block me and because I can't take my eyes off for 15 minutes my hands was like this was dead but I knew it was a video at this model and it was recording it and I got tired of it and I told him you think you're gonna arrest me or you're gonna have to pull that trigger cuz you violating my rights and they said don't do it and I see it you can't pull that trigger or you thought I'm leaving and they kept start shouting their movement and because the car had was running I just didn't get to put it in reverse because they pull it up on me so when it come to engagement you gonna have to pull that trigger and I slowly go down while steady looking at him and they starting it cuz they could have tranquilized because they end up shooting me six times in the end of this stuff so it went from a minor case where they violated my rights and but I knew that tape was running so I put my hand down and I throw the car in reverse and when I go and reverse Bing but I thought it was a shotgun blast but it had end up being a police call cuz we're nothing back there when I ran thing so now the police don't got knocked out the door and I'm thinking they're shooting a duck and I'm going back toward the officers but I don't want to hit them so I turn and collide but they shot up the car tase me beat me into a coma but it was a videotape okay so the police shot you they shot at me but they they didn't because they knew that tape would have showed me with my hands up it had been murdered okay so the police shot up your car but never hit you they shot up the car I was tasered everything the only reason they didn't kill me bills because they knew the camera I took a chance that they wouldn't because if I died that camera gonna catch him and my mom and they I'm gonna be alright so no this is very and this after that when we go to court well so they tase you they shoot at you beat me up put me in a calmer than they wonders take night sticks and just beat you up oh they beat me up after they dragged me out the car but they had tasered me when they had to other thing that I found out it was a Taser in the door then when they snatched door open they beat me up cuff me call internal affairs they came in interviewed me I said there's a tape up there that showed they violated my rights I had my hands up I surrendered it was a simple case and they kept him guns and I made him put it they wouldn't looked at the tape and came and said we're not gonna press charges when I go to court they got they don't have attempted murder they got what they call aggravated assault so I'm in court and I'm thinking they just got me full of credit cards the judge come in Wrangler jeans plaid shirt and I never will forget it he said boy I see you from California but you enjoyed you now and we got the death penalty he said I don't know what happened with a simple case could turn from a credit card case the way you facing the death penalty if this police died and that's when I knew they were serious and I dis was saved my life I say Your Honor there's a video that would show me with my hands to where I wasn't doing nothing and they wouldn't put a good cell for me okay so he said if the police died so was there a police that was hurt yeah but what happened to the police he live what what what happened how did he get hurt ma'am I told you to go it was open when I told you I was leaving they all was standing in the door with the burn so Milka 15 minutes or so so the police got hit by the door they yeah I'm going backwards if they standing in that door but yeah got it so that's what happened but how badly was the police officer hurt there's bad enough to where I got 87 years behind it was facing the death penalty okay pretty and the judge said it out his mouth I don't know what happened but I know I was facing a death penalty okay but now remember I told you that tape would exonerated me my own attorney went and got the tape and destroyed it and brought a fake one and well you couldn't see what happened he destroyed what happened well but why don't get that's how come I'm home why am i home with all them arrest all impasses been upon the know why my home now they never offered me a deal christopher darden oj simpson attorney okay he can testify that we called him help me investigate to catch chris darden helped you okay yeah chris darden is a friend of mine's where he helped me do quite a few things where they don't win and try to give me a life sentence where another time they caught me driving a rental car late and see it the police went and told him Milman confessed to stealing the car and knew it was a late return which would make me eligible for three strikes and it was fair to give me a life sentence after I got out for driving a rental car and he had to come so my thing is I caught my attorney where he destroyed evidence that would exonerate of me and then they forced me to take this deal and now I'm on thirty years parole where my rights were violated and anybody that uh I wish I had his name right now because I got it on a piece of paper anybody that had this attorney I want to say his name actually and put him on blast let's see who's lying he was called [ __ ] destroying my tape and when we got ready to start trying these were my exact words I see a Tory check this out white [ __ ] you thought I was a dummy from California wouldn't know you brought in a fake tape to cover up for these police and when I go to trial i'ma tell the courts that you had a tape on purpose and brought a fake tape to me so he said you can't call me then I said white [ __ ] [ __ ] you your family and anybody else and when I go to court I'm telling them and it's to police what I told him listen to what I'm fair to do so they can come to court and think I'm playing they were fair to give me life till I call you they took me you can look at the transcripts they took me to court seven days in a row to start trial for my life and they never took me in there because they couldn't figure out what to do and then he came and he said Melvin take this deal and that's how I got to 80 some years and I'm home and you were how old we took the thirty year parole deal 2010 I'm 62 now that's what uh nine years ago about 53 when I went in there so you're gonna be on parole until you're 83 years I'm on parole no I got a 83 years sentence I had to deal I'm on parole to 20 30 20 30 mm got it I got 20 years parole but I shouldn't have nothing yeah my attorney those are serious allegation yeah but where do I go to get my day in court I did the time I didn't cry for me to say that a white police my own attorney he had a tape brought me a fake one to cover up and say this all we got and then find out he destroyed the tape I shouldn't be compensated my life I was facing death if I wouldn't have caught him I would have got it and they would have did it so why don't get my damn court yeah I feel you well you said that you feel responsible for anybody's death or anything that occurred from crips well I feel I'm partly responsible for those that are trying to emulate and I do feel when somebody life is taken because I feel if people want to be emulating us and others it wouldn't be fair so in my personal opinion I feel sad for people who lost their loved ones due to the sensitive writings I like to give a shout out today also the Charlotte Lewis whose son which killed March 20th the day our son birthday Davian and that was right before the Nipsey Hussle incident a lot of people had lost a life so I feel that I should give back and try to give back to the community and do what I can to address a senseless gun violence whether it be by friends family for those that are here to serve and protect us well you mentioned Nipsey Hussle we lost him earlier this year and that was once again crippled crit violence it was you know now the more information is coming out Eric Holder who was actually defended by your friend Chris Darden but you actually had death threats death threats and I told him that was coming with it to be a curveball oh so you had a conversation with Chris Darden about him representing Eric Holder I had a conversation about something else prior to that that involved at 62 where when you look in Chris Darden book he says one case that he feels somebody got found guilty of a murder where he felt he was innocent and has been hunting that kid is from the rollin 60s J Stone and this why we go back to social justice and fairness so I had told him J Stone hey man Chris say you might have been innocent and when I was trying to because don't know buddy it's one thing to be accused of something you didn't do Yeah right it's right it's wrong it's wrong so when I hear about him catching that case I text him and say hey bro be careful these are the rollin 60s there's nobody to play with watch yourself why do you think he took on that you know representing Eric Holder I don't know why he took it on why is that because it Hoda probably you know when you seen John Hinckley shoot the president he got to use a defense called you know in capacity he was mentally unstable temporary insanity yeah that's what would have been used here probably which blacks aren't allowed to use so he'd have probably been testing the water because I text him and say are you trying to try this case on the temporary insanity mental illness and he didn't respond but I say I understand that's what you're probably trying to do and that's what blacks aren't afforded to do and a lot of times these cases could be somewhere they were mentally ill health to where they should have been sent to a hospital some and treated for treatment as opposed to mass incarceration of being incarcerated and treated as a criminal so he would have been addressed in that to where John Hinckley shot a president but he got to go to the st. Elizabeth around 2:00 this defense I figured that I mean that's the only logical thing you could think of right you know begin sense can you say right because Eric Holder has a history of mental illness matter of fact they finally caught him in a mental hospital that's where he just checked himself in and to kill someone abroad in front of a whole bunch of people with cameras everywhere that would be the defense I thought that he would use me - yeah we he end up reek losing himself because people are threatening to kill him mmm-hmm were you surprised here occludes himself I talked to her I texted hmm no not when your mom's you can see not when you threaten somebody mother oh that's Oh his mother was being threatened and his kids yeah it wasn't about him cuz a lot of times you have to stand up to bite the bullet for what you believe in but when you start jeopardizing other people lives you know we we as blacks have to really get off this lynch mob Willie Lynch ass mentality to wear when somebody got a disagreement as somebody got other opinion you want to go and lynch them or downgrade them a castrate them that's too hard what they say shade stay in your lane like for instance a lot of times I be with Fred Hampton triple C's Black Panthers but they philosophies anti-police this that this that ain't my same politics I'm a [ __ ] we almost different agenda and these are the same way you have to go back to fairness and stand in your lane and if and other people leave so when it come to that you know he has a right Eric Holder what about him well when you say here's the right you talk about Eric Holder it's all about Chris Darden everybody else you can't pick and choose when you're talking about the criminal justice system let me just actually this does everybody have a right to a defense yes dan you answer is there oh there you go did you know Nipsey Hussle it all I've known him not on a personal basis but we spoke actually we were at the Greek art atorvastatin a live a last chance because he had a lot of initiatives your stuff that he had going on that were not really besides other than establish where he was writing initiative and other things to give back to the community as well as to address the criminal justice system I mean when you look at that whole situation do you feel that Eric Holder should get temporary insanity or do you feel that he should well I mean the death penalty isn't happening anymore I think there's a moratorium on right now in California do you feel that he should get life in prison or do you feel that he should get temporary insanity and just serve out his sentence in intimate laws I have no saying that yes you know now if we're talking about some nested see I can't speak on that and nobody else just speak on this in-house that's between yeah let them handle that now if you wish texted me about somebody say like Cameron - well the boy that got out on the five million dollar bail after taking some youngsters to go kill some of people from my set didn't he get caught he get towed on he bail out the youngsters that's juveniles they face in life while he gets to speak freely an immunity but to show you how to system in the police year after he do that they come back and arrest him now he in jail facing life so they just pit each other against each other so when it come to that or say for instance uh what's the drunk girl doing the little 13 year old that got killed when it's senseless gun violence and you hurt and I hurt her innocent don't make mad if they take your life don't be mad if the system so when it come to that you know it goes both ways in a sense of fairness well out of the tragedy from the Nipsey Hussle murder the one positive thing that did come out was the gang peace march that they're big you helped to organize were you part of that yes you helped organize it as well mmm so not quite a few people quite a few people but let me say give those that's two because a lot of times we don't give credit to other people that does the work you all so had mad bone you had a bad bone you had no Saudi you had Pete winbush you had a spider from Playboy gangster you had all representatives from all over the nation of islam so we want to say shout out to him a lot of things going with in this community to where we we tend to give people that have the platform the credit when it's really the guys on with a boost on the ground where people don't acknowledge them well so i'd like to give a special thanks to them but yes at the beginning i was in part of la gangs unite okay and from what I understand that was one of the first times in 40 years that the rollin 60s in the HOA gangsters congregated together on a mass scale in a on any scale on any scale in a peaceful situation yes how did that feel well since I wasn't involved let's get this straight do you think one murder out of 48 years of murder made two gangster crips and the sixties talk all at one time they had been dialogue going on for two or three years because I'm a member of prison ministry at river life ministry and pequin Bush and I had been talking and slowly slowly slowly things started coming and when if see murder happened it created a passage and an opening to create some type of dialogue on a bigger scale so when big you and and that's why I mentioned Matt bone because I'm here but I'm not gonna go say all they could come I don't do it like that it was a democratic way to where okay hey man Melvin will go over there and that's when we met over there I did the hidden corners my show which you can go on there on Facebook Instagram and you can see exactly what happened that day before was air and that meeting in its axiality and so yeah and that that started the dialogue amongst them toward talking and just falling back as I say yeah that was great that was great for LA congratulations on being a part of that but the problem with that is nothing's wrong with that but we should have the movements should have still been going on when Nifty was slain for thirty days there were no murders there was a lot of talk among sworn fractions to where public and elected officials shoulda came in to provided the resources at that moment yeah to keep this sustainable to create the dialogue so what happens is now you have other murders occurrence not between the 60s and a trace they're still because that was really the basis of where they stand in nailing and we're gonna stay in our lane so that's still going on but that didn't affect the surrounding areas to where we had them all at once so a lot of times this is this gun violence could be eradicated and decreased cuz gun violence had went down to its lowest level since 1966 which was before Crips and bloods yeah it was doing when it was during the era of pro-pro black and they were fighting but in nineteen and twenty fifteen which was the year at a hundred days hundred nights which was to here the most deadly and disrespectful disregard for human life I ever seen in my forty eight years of this and I seen quite a bit but from 2015 effort was put forward to decrease burned gun violence in deaf Alley which is where we stay which is nationally known that's wind a hundred days so something had to be going on from 2015 up to 2019 because it's decreased every year and from that year Karen Bass had called us in called me in Marquis Dawson Maxine Waters they always call in and ask you to help but they don't want to supply the employment or the resources to help you sustain this and then you put back and sent back to the wolves you know we recently did an interview with Keefe Edie which I guess you saw I say he's part out seeing part of it did you know keifa Dido I had a I knew stone the ones I didn't know ki fede personally but I had talked to him about being on a show okay what are your thoughts in the whole situation I mean now that the whole story is out you know when you look at the you know the 1996 murder of Tupac Shakur and now you hear ki fede side of the story and what led up to the murder and and so forth I never heard TPD version of what happened on his side nor does it even I don't have no opinion okay that's day lane that's day business well the reason why I asked this is that when you look at this whole story you know and depending on who you talk to you could say the Tupac died gangbang he wasn't attacked Orlando Anderson who was a known southside constant [ __ ] and put himself in a situation where now it's a gang conflict it's not just let me put it like this so we can get around to it and do it and this go for every time particularly in gang bang and then it's very simple so it don't take no nado me know mixing chemicals to figure out the bottom line this [ __ ] the bottom line is this the only thing stronger than a man's pride it's a mother's love every common murder have a common denominator you just name from Nipsey Hussle on down and every one of them beep styling another man's pride mm-hmm am I correct yeah absolutely I don't even have to revisit it I've seen this for years and the one common denominator with all of them they got killed gang banging it's they pride yeah yeah I mean in fact in our interview ki fede said that you initially wanted to go talk to sug about the whole situation yeah yeah we was uh I felt we was on that type of level where we can just get this just squash get a head up and stuff like that when laying in our to bar you wanted to beat up with sure but you had no way of getting contact with them yeah one of my homies from all out there or live out yes I'm always live out there okay I was got Charlie in the game and he's like a forever in for that was concert it to c62 close so bring which was Chuck's club yeah we went up there I heard about that yeah see you guys you guys went over there but there was a bunch of cops and everything you know well there wasn't no I was there for about 30-40 minutes and in fact parking lot and when I talked to you know Tupac's entourage they all said the Tupac would have done it Tupac like like fighting he was you know and shook like fighting also so had they actually met up they probably would have had a fistfight and none of this would have happened but instead because there were no you had this pride issue someone's pride was hurt for getting beat up and they couldn't have a one-on-one fight that's when the guns came out and then a murder occurs they equalizer the equalizer and you've seen this time and time again hmm that's for bullies in some cases but usually when we was growing up or equalizers for those that were Tookie sighs and because we 14 you 18 you think he going bully we got some for you - hmm what do you think you know and this kind of touches off the Tupac thing when you have these rappers these days who claim gang affiliation like the Chris Brown's the little lanes and the lists kind of goes on and on the soldier boys who become rich and famous and then one affiliate themselves with a gang afterwards what do I think about that yeah well you got a lot of people that are claiming [ __ ] or good or GT or whatever and using that I'm not so much concerned about what they do I'm more concerned about those that are out here actually in the field that are or are getting subject to the oppressions and abuse are the things that they're rapping about or talking about I'm more important about what we can do to change their minds from being tax burdens to taxpayers are going to the pole and vote and educating them and giving them something to March with so when it come to that it's like it's being fashionable you know like damn when I was in Georgia it ain't fast notable to be a [ __ ] down there you got Gangster Disciples you got the New Orleans boys that was there from the Katrina or whatever that year you got South Carolina you got New York Bloods so it's fashionable to be these type of things and the claim that's and that something like a Coke era but now when you say when you entertainment and acting and you claiming a say [ __ ] a blood I'm gonna just say [ __ ] but what are you really doing to give back for what you're claiming you're making your money at one time off for the blood or others people backs a lot of sorrow so the real question is what you don't do to give back to your community cuz I do a lot without no money you can't money don't matter on the streets money ain't money ain't and ain't that your words your baño those are the ingredients that sustain you to survival on the streets you know I never seen a homeless man commit suicide mmm but I've seen a lot of rich people yeah kill yourself because they don't know how to survive after that money or material thing like Jeffrey Epstein just recently you know that we don't know what exactly happened but yeah if he killed himself and he was a billionaire mm-hmm yeah yeah you know I interviewed mob James on my show a few times whose mob Piru he was one of the you know main guys on death row that brought all the Bloods over there and he said that I didn't I didn't get a check when bunchy was killed yeah you know what I'm saying I never got to check for now nobody ever heard you know what I'm saying this is what we was doing and and and and for this to be my life and then at the end of the date my friends killed my brother and it killed me so there's no win well I can I can be a part of this and and and still feel good about it yeah and that's why I don't understand why my nephews and my other brother still want to be a part of this and ain't that much street out here right this is why the beginning the interview when I said you're a mop I really you said used to be yeah so you don't claim it anymore no I don't suck me inside my eight if I ever say that again in my life do you feel the same way about me and a tray gangster do you feel like you're still in a tray gangster or do you feel when you look at what you've done in their history what's gotten you to this point and you've said that you know you're too young for Social Security and too old to be employable do you feel that you made a mistake by taking that route anybody that's why I try to tell kids don't follow don't emulate don't make the same mistake as me because there's only two things you know the the number one deterrent for crime is age as you get older you start realizing your ways and slowing down but a lot of people don't realize also as you get older the damage you do to your family you know you do 3540 years or somebody in your family died then you got to look in your mom eyes and then you see that hurt in her eyes to where you don't drag your mama through 3040 years of pure hell and these come back to choices so I feel the same way that's the brother man do that it's not worth it yeah and so at the end of the day I can count on my fingers how many people are successful but asked me to countless lives that was wasted at that time but it's always a chance to come back and redeem yourself all that's not lost you can come back and get back and do what you need to do to give back to society particularly if you're in a position where you have the influence to educate the youth and to tell these kids not about the gang culture the real horrors of it it's not worth it and that's what we try to push on the show yeah this is why we bring the you know I don't wanna use the word og opportunity given why we bring the oh geez like yourself over here to show people that this is not a great career path that this comes with a lot of pain a lot of loss a lot of prison time a lot of death a lot of hurt so a Melbourne farmer I appreciate you coming in and telling the story and I think we're gonna affect a lot of lives when people watch this and thank you for that absolutely peace peace

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Length: 116min 58sec (7018 seconds)

Published: Thu Sep 05 2019