Mob James on Suge Knight, 2Pac, Death Row, Mob Piru, Brother's Murder (Full Interview)

all right here we go mob James welcome to flat TV right pleasure to have you pleasure to have been listening to a lot of your other interviews and I think you're a very important part of the whole death row story you know being there from the very beginning yeah so I definitely appreciate you coming in oh no problem so let's start from the beginning you grew up in Compton yeah and and you were a member of the mob Piru you used to be it used to be yeah tell me the history of mob Piru in Compton because you guys are generally considered Bloods but uh kind of a specific set right yeah well actually power rules we different from Bloods but I mean our neighborhood was just a lot of us hanging out and before the violent part came and just hanging out fighting and different stuff like that I got shot in 1980 and that's when we stepped the game up a little bit in 1980 from fighting to really getting violent with it was there a split from Piru and bloods at some point no it was always we was always Pyro's comfortin is different from la la is more blood Compton is all fire rose so it's totally different like how old were you when you first start getting involved in that Oh twelve thirteen okay really like really hanging out like really in it think about 16 15 16 really like full-fledged okay I read one of the founders of was it already I know it was the mob was already there okay which you know I don't consider the big homey thing but I don't do the big homey time but we had all the guys in the neighborhood that that set that way before even thought about doing it we just pretty much picked up where I mean they was just like all the guys they was hanging out they wasn't it wasn't no gunplay and all of that in the neighborhood and that we we brung that to it really just started the shooting and the fighting and it you know doing the other stuff I mean we talked about the 80s that's when the crack era started a really developed because from what I understand it was very different before a crack showed up it was yeah once crack showed up gonna for example I had big you on my show and he he was locked up with crack first hit the street when he came out he kind of explained to me how all the guns were different so when it when it actually hit was like 83 and I came back home 84 and we went from being able to just and it changed it because two things had the major the influx of guns and the different kind of guns but then like the automatic automatic because we hadn't even seen automatics we weren't even having a lot of magazine and especially like what the most we was we was inflamed by the nine-millimeter from the movie that came from New York was um king of New York when our Louis Fishburne had the nine millimeters and the king of New York was like oh yeah what you know me because we come from the clean east where the the pistols in the fo5 and the magnums so when crack came all the different movies came that influenced the culture at the same time oh yeah we went from 30 age to I used to have this thing well you see cut a bat in half and that was my weapon of choice damn from 38 to aks overseas and all the results is so yeah the game it went up when when crack cocaine came before crack I mean we were like solid like the neighborhood everybody got along everyone he was together pretty much hard when she came my mom should to the neighborhood he was like crack cocaine anything we're bad at the at he came but okay well he talked about getting shot I guess you'd gotten shot four times total yeah was that happening early on yeah first time guys come through the neighborhood we get on the bike to meet them they get off day bikes and start shooting I was hitting the chest that was with a 38 the second time was with a shotgun oh they come give me at the house we had to come to swap meet over there and the Samoans was jumping on one of the little homies so we get there a 12 year old someone come from the side of the car and start shooting with a shotgun shot me up I still still had other that was every 81 82 and then we was at a party at the Samoans the third time I was hit in the back with a 4/5 and some cab with the wheelchair was talking crap and all that and I pushed him over and our hell broke loose so we made it to the van they started coming running to the van we got out did I think they start doing anything I got hit so and the other one I was just grazed on the side by mother said to hang out and they came through powerful I mean as you're getting shot over and over again was there ever a moment like okay I gotta get out this area no no no at no point did you say I'm gonna leave for my safety every chart nah if we didn't mean I didn't look at it like that then I mean I was gang banging my whole thing was retaliation every time we got to go back regardless if it was me or one of the home if they shot at us I went back and shot at them I mean retaliation that's just the way we we live well at one point you went to prison yes for paola two years okay that's it yeah okay well as that for violation of my gang probation I was on a high game formation thing and I had two weeks left on this probation they had in Compton and told him [ __ ] I wasn't coming I wasn't going and I want to go see mom parole officer they sent me to court the judge gave me two years and fin attention you violated probation yeah so I told him hold up waiting two years for two weeks you said you had your chance to talk and that was it okay that was last time he got locked up that was a dating a penitentiary that's the only time I want you're finished okay though you're doing jail time after that no I went I went to jail for attempted murder in 92 did eight months in there God accessory after the fact and no more jail time not today okay now you and shouldn't knew each other since you guys were teenagers yeah because you met in high school well no I've been knowing sure in the neighborhood for for he'd been in a long time with his mom wouldn't let him hang out he didn't he didn't hang out like we hung out walking the streets back and forth or whatever and sure got a motorcycle I had a motorcycle and I was see sure riding his bike in weird riding Co banging around the neighborhood or whatever he couldn't associate what else should I say so after that I think he went we went to Linwood together and we went to then I forgot the name of that little school over here on bullets but we went to school together and after high school he disappeared Ricky went to college yeah play ball yeah you and lb I guess yeah that's that's where he went then when I got out of prison in 1988 he just came to the house and when he came man him been kicking it ever since okay so during the time in high school shook wasn't gang affiliated at all no no no he didn't know well he knew people there in the neighborhood but he didn't know like my brothers he didn't know nobody that's worked for death row he didn't know none of them he knew the people officer on the block but even he didn't deal with no home his father sent me I'm a power rule I'm not never okay so she comes back to Compton I mean I guess he went to play football I think he played you know you played football in college and then he I think he got a NFL contract and that ended up not working out and then he came back to Compton where when he came when I got out in 88 he he came the next day I was out one day and he came over there and from there we hopped in the Jeep we was riding around next thing I know I was doing the security Budweiser super fest with him for his cousin Big West and from doing that show that night in LA we was doing shows all over the place everywhere else so that's how he got in the game and started doing it and then he met Tom Klein so from Tom Klein we had music cars and all kinda sort of thing so Tom Klein was like one of his investors to have with that bro and we went from there before the whole Jethro thing there was the Vanilla Ice thing there that's when it was ferny records yeah were you around yeah okay so so this story is very fuzzy you know vanilla ice said that you know Joe came over and they sugar no [ __ ] - that she went to him and pretty much Punk deimata his [ __ ] with chocolate you saying that he wrote his [ __ ] the whole night ice ice baby yeah they're not nothing to do with him so chocolate had nothing to do with that song no he took the contract to Vanilla Ice made him sign it and they gave him a check for it were you there when that happened yeah I was with sure okay and the story that vanilla I said was that shook took him to the balcony not and I wouldn't know that no I don't remember I don't know that we did punk realize oh yeah pumped him and a lot of people what how did he Punk him with that situation well basically telling me what he gonna do with his arm around him and told him pretty much what you gonna do you gonna sign his papers and you gonna pay me for this so we was just getting into it we didn't have we didn't have no artists no groups chocolate wasn't doing nothing I mean just a lot of people sitting around you know people from Texas trying to get into the music thing so pretty much everybody how we was eating was [ __ ] people okay so vanilla ice Ashley signed over ya contract and Suge got a big check got a big cuz Ice Ice Baby went like Dimond or something he got a big check and chocolate gotta check what sure gave him and all he did is winning but uh Mercedes and then as [ __ ] after that sugar chocolate chocolate chocolate and sure sure they actually got a bag - oh God paid fat okay couple of times okay so the Vanilla Ice thing happened and you guys are still are still rolling together well I guess originally it was future shock records right no well cuz DLC was involved well that's - DLC [ __ ] when when when DLC came shook start pulling them we had fur near Records Fernhill that others that didn't go nowhere because Tom Klein wanted to live do Fernhill record okay were there any artists on foreign hella dollars oh now I know not when he went shield when it got deal see this is what we doing and he told doc that so when he told doc I want you to come over here with us now we sitting at the table saying we're going to go and get Dre mr. Lai we going up the ruthless records we doing with the womb and that's what we did okay the the Vanilla Ice thing happened yeah you know and then and then there's the ruthless thing was there anything in between where Suge was basically strong-arming people for contracts and so forth in between I mean it was a lot of dirty [ __ ] going on I mean we was taking studio music we was we was I mean we was doing oh but stuff terrorizing the industry pretty exactly okay and everybody was scared yeah everybody was scared so then the eazy-e thing happened so I've heard the story a couple different ways you know for example BG knockout who was very close with with easy he basically said that he said that Dre called him you know to meet with him to sign over you know sign him get him out the contracts or release or whatever but when he get there sugar was there so they was in a hotel room Suge had is hiding in the closet under the bed and when he get up there when they he get up there should like the door all these cats come from under the bed and not the closet in the bathroom with guns you know I'm saying and Dre was in there Dre wasn't there Oh Dre wasn't there long Dre set it up though okay so no II didn't hate Dre you know I'm saying as people people try to portray didn't well they was friends once yeah they're a really close friend oh no that was at dev'reaux we went to roof with his records in god Dre contract from Jerry Ella okay Jerry Heller and his bodyguards was there easy was lucky he wasn't there because we - got him - but easy keV is [ __ ] at home so when we went in to Rufus records and pretty much strong on Jerry which he don't want to which color but sure you go in there and talk to Jerry I got these dudes right here which is his bodyguards so we set out and waited for sure to do what he had to do she came out she got a check and he had paperwork for dreaming slay he had a check yeah okay so Jerry Heller wrote him a check gage should one yeah okay but then at one point eazy-e signed over a contract he did a song saying that he that's why he's still getting paid so I don't think he ever got easy okay well I mean because the story was was that eazy-e signed it over but then a day after he said it was you know signed an address you know what we ran in the EZ so many times on Melrose on Sunset we have one problem with EZ and he got robbed so I don't know what him and she did it was I wouldn't there but we never got nothing from easy okay so easy got robbed oh yeah you guys robbed yeah okay well my boy Kenny chose okay so now after having eazy-e sign over the the ruthless artists you guys now had the green light to go forward with Death Row Records yeah and originally I think it was with solo records was partnered yeah with death row yeah dick Griffey and and so forth and I interviewed you know who later became the president of stolen records and he told me about kind of the details of it there was a situation in the studio where someone was using the phone do you know about this where were showed made that made those guys trip that night Chuck comes into the building you know it goes up to the to the third floor and one of the Stanley Brothers was on the phone that he asked the guy to get off the phone and he said I think the Stanley Brothers had been part of the world class wreckin cru and they were actually there to try and get tray by it's becoming known as I as I hit producer do something for them and so you tell sure you didn't know she really was he said hey look I'm uh I'm wanna get a trace guess go talk to him and Suk's it I don't talk to him I run this I said man go leave me alone so sugar parent he goes how goes back downstairs to his car gets a gun comes back puts the gun to his head and says nothing like I told you get off the phone so then hangs up the phone should brings him into the studio and has everybody yeah people for the rehearsal I want you all to come in here and he said this is what's gonna happen if you use that phone tells a guy take off his clothes and he says I'm not taking off my clothes so then he shoots the gun he asked by the guys here then he has a guy undress and he says could [ __ ] you up I'm not gonna do that but I know where you live I got your driver's license you know where your mama lives and this is just a lesson for all of you all if you use that phone I'm gonna [ __ ] you up you know what year was that not sure that there were solar Studios and you know I we did we did so much I mean we did a lot of things and a lot of people was was Punk'd a lot of people got slapped a lot of people death row was death row and a lot of people got bullied into a lot of [ __ ] okay so you guys are working you know death row is working on the chronic and sugars associating with you and the other Pyro's at this point was sugar ever like made a Piru himself or was he just the the money guy she was she was the money guy she was never like I said when we did but watch super fast you asked me how many blue I can get how many you want and from there with his money and and and everybody claims you should because now nine he got money now okay I'm gonna buy you this I'm gonna take care of this that's how shoes shift bought his way in now I got my brother and all these guys coming from the penitentiary and the guys that my brother brung it was you couldn't look at you wrong so now they except shook it's one of us he live in the neighborhood you've been living in the neighborhood so he's one of us but fathers you know putting in putting in you know breaking bread in the neighborhood he never did that so his money right got him in that well I mean he wore red suits he had a mob ring all that came all that came way after okay all that came after my brother came before that when we first started should if you look at all his videos shook had a either gray suit or black or something like that when the muscle got there like you couldn't look at him when the muscle came that's one of the suit chance give me that the suit change the cigars the rings that's when all that came so when he felt untouchable that's when that's when Suge Knight changed this one the big shoe came well I interviewed Reggie right mmm-hmm and he said the way that he linked up with Suge was we had got Intel that um a few of the guys that was working for Death Row Records was planning on robbing and kept mapping shell holding them for ransom one of his employees yes homeboys okay quasi employees yeah we're planning on kidnapping him and Ron ransom yeah trying to get a ransom for him okay my father got that didn't tell know about the situation yeah well at that point it was it was a lot of guys in the neighborhood that wasn't getting nothing and it was some that was getting three four hundred dollars every two weeks down everybody knowing was happening so here you have P Miller give all his partners a million dollars and tell them to do what they gonna do well we don't sure got it why sure game did that so a lot of the guys was like this is kidnappers s and get our money inside [ __ ] this dude but then you had some that said no we are you good he good that's the homie woman so it didn't happen but you had a lot of those guys talking to Reggie right because they senior cuz they got a lot of respect for him just put him up on it in they told him right and ultimately it never happened no no well I mean he was getting it I mean he was being extorted to I mean I mean that's how I was getting my money from him okay cuz I guess you said that whenever you you'd get mad at him I'll get it yeah he'd get a check how much would you get like during these very senses well fifteen hundred thousand dollars you got you know depends on how many times one time I got mad at him he said he said some stupid [ __ ] and we had it we had the hydraulic shop let me ride out Ronix and I think my brother buncher came in there to get some parts of some and he said this is for the homies and I got mad at him and we start argued come to the office I got something for you I took dr. Dre 64 Chevy come to the office I got something I ain't giving you back the car so I got a check and then he wanted the car and give me the car till I get another check yes and I worked in that way I made more money being mad at him than I did working for him you know Reggie Wright junior was essentially the head of death row you know police security were you kind of the head of death row Street security at the beginning yes until my brother to a bunch of came and when I when I put toe buncher you gonna go out of time with you again you flying with Chile and it's night that's when I pretty much was said I'm in the backgrounds now and bun tree was was his right-hand man at that time but you hear a lot of stories of like the violence that happened to death row mmm you know the most kind of famous one is this show would make guys drink piss no you never saw that I ain't saying that but it was a lot of times I wouldn't they're the majority of the things that I didn't see my brother told me about it and father's drinking P know a lot of them got the ass whooped now these guys ain't ain't doing those [ __ ] like that making them think they piss on our holy [ __ ] and I mean I haven't heard a lot of storage too but they wouldn't like that man I guess there was a room with like the door handle was on the outside that yeah you know someone you know upset show they'd get take another room and get the [ __ ] beat out and whatever happened at that office happened at that office right there you could walk in the door and get your hands for that death row you could be sitting down and and waiting on waiting to see sugar and somebody come in hide them up [ __ ] and they get to as well I mean a lot of those guys that that worked it was scared just to come to work because somebody might just come in and whoop your ass I mean did you personally see a problem with that environment you know with you know I mean you guys were the ones that were the enforcers essentially but then you had dr. Dre who from what I understand in like any [ __ ] and you had the various other artists and so forth J with Drake was scared too I mean it was in all those guys you know I look at their videos and all that [ __ ] they was on scared you know can't none of them say they wasn't scared my whole thing about it is you can't treat your artist like that why are you getting down like that why is you putting the feeling these guys like that they work for you they ain't gonna do what they do if they coming in here knowing they're gonna get jumped on I might get jumped on now a lot of lot of this [ __ ] I did like was one of the main reasons why I backed away from shield now I guess the other guys they just kept at penitentiary mentality and was enjoying it here tradies a regular on my show and you know he was kind of describing the environment to me and you know snoop had his crew of Long Beach Crips you know he said there was one particular incident incident where Warren g-guys chain taken some dude that's one chain in the parking lot of km in like about 90 95 96 something like that and had ran and ran back up in the in the can dammit so Warren G went got C style and they went you know they holler that [ __ ] sure brought him in the room with you know the big red death row rug with the they don't step on the logo with my Doberman Pinscher but Dabu right there now listen it was just a lot of theatrics you know I'm saying I'm like dude you getting tickets what was really cool because that that's Dre stepbrother mmm right oh he gotta sneak out of shame back we wasn't leaving one less even getting to sharing back some was something else was gonna happen we wasn't like that wasn't know what nobody getting plunked that death row when I was there you know about that situation enough mm-hmm when when when should changed I was gonna okay so you start uh my whole thing was to bag up and me and sug started falling out I mean like really he was like really pissing me off and I seen the homies change from getting these checks out you know working with him the whole environment was totally different okay you were there for snoops murder trial yeah I was his body good but you were snoops bodyguard yeah okay you weren't the bodyguard that was involved in national no I was sure had me out there for one reason the Long Beach scripts was coming up there I guess they was said that they gonna get snoop cuz he ain't doing this for they people or whatever so she had me grab some guys and post up at the courthouse if they come up there we knew what the business was gonna be y'all ain't finna touch this guy and it wasn't gonna happen on my watch because I'm getting paid to yeah to have smooth back at that time yeah snoop ended up beating beating the trial yeah so death row was doing just better and better you know the chronic ends up becoming huge doggy style comes out it's huge above the rim comes out it's huge there's just you know murder was the case soundtrack comes out huge everything is platinum multi-platinum everything else like that and then Tupac gets signed to the label well you were you close they were you in the mix when Tupac came around reward he kind of went away when 2-part came to part went straight to the studio I was I was at the studio a couple of times Shubh on Tupac to the neighborhood a few times didn't like the environment he was cool he was cool at the beginning just certain things certain just just different different stuff I didn't like the way he started getting down and bagged away from him - right because this is this is something that we've discussed a lot you know for example uh shock G from Digital Underground ya know who first signed Tupac said that Suge held down Tupac the way he's always wanted someone to hold him down you know here was somewhat on the thug life aspect yeah exactly you know I didn't I didn't the homies had to pop more than I think sure did Tupac was more of a money thing I'd say for sure and and like a trophy because when he brought Tupac to the hood people was on to [ __ ] a lot of the homies claim claim to Tupac and wouldn't really own [ __ ] like that you know it was 2 pi Tupac was hanging and doing what they was doing you know what I'm saying but I think two part went a little overboard and really thought he was one of the homies well you got the tattoo you got the mo be tattoo yeah I mean some people say that it was money over [ __ ] well it was a mobi tattoo which he should have never had ain't never claimed to hurt he ain't never been in the hood he ain't never fall for the hood that's him I want to be from the hood puttin putting the hood on his records and you in the studio and you get a tattoo you didn't come to the hood and accident at tattoo the homies gave you that you know I said just because of the situation that he was in he was he was hanging he was making money they was chilling so he did they they they accepted him but you can't you can't just bring him to the hood like that and say he from the mob me personally he wasn't from the mob so you know Tupac was in jail after the whole quad studio shooting situation he gets out and he is beefing with Bad Boy Records basically his first day out yeah I'd actually heard that he wrote hit him up like in in prison he had to do was do was good he was writing songs like it was crazy yeah he when he when he came home he had attitude and getting on death row was his way of like his own now you know what I'm saying so he already had an agenda I think and she just let him roll with you so he gets out and there's essentially funk between bad boy and death row yeah because you know death row is you know they're you know you mean one of their two biggest artists is beefing with bad boy so now Suge is beefing with puffy [ __ ] it was a Power Move for [ __ ] she was already beefing before a Tupac but this one just Tupac and Biggie sure was trying to get it puffy and trying to bully him like he was bullying everybody else right because some of Puffy's associated artists were now you know coming to death row like Jodeci yeah like mary j blige all of them was was was something mary j blige she was supposed to went to the people who wouldn't paying her right and helped her out of her situation him and puffy was was added before Tupac even touched ground in LA and I think puffy was just wasn't biting into the [ __ ] we lost the homeboy Big Jake out there got killed in a shooting you know what I'm saying she came home how the [ __ ] is that you know what I'm saying he's out there riding with you taking care of business this isn't I mean [ __ ] was in some shady [ __ ] doing too much and trying to flex and he couldn't he didn't have his bodyguards like he normally have so he was out there thinking people is like really scared of him now he couldn't take advantage it at this time [ __ ] them was inviting incident [ __ ] this time right they had their own yeah yeah yeah right with the guys like wolf and everything that was ready to go yeah that was ready to go so he couldn't he didn't benefit off of that because if he could have got puffy he got a sewed up so he couldn't do that so at one point there was rumors that that puffy had aligned himself as the south side crips you did and there was bounties on death row chains yeah ten thousand I think ten thousand dollars your mom had a death row chain she had a little bitty one right yeah well they were snatching those yeah they were snatching those right that's when it really got serious they they they used to come on California Street my daughter's mother is from South Side and she used to call me and tell me all these guys out here and they buy liquor and we we are getting loaded and they talking about y'all so keep you D who I find out who he was through Paula which was my daughter's mother best friend they was all kicking it over there Sam what they gonna do how they gettin down so I knew they live half-assed moves because of that through them so when when puffing them came we knew puffing them was here you know and then QD was one of the they called one of the big homies in South Side so it became a situation and and is I want to say crazy but sugar knew what he was doing puffy knew what he was doing and now you got two gangs fighting each other and they sitting back letting it happen and they getting paid at the same time at the same time so here you got a Lando here you got Trayvon and they run into each other at the at the mall so they fight Trayvon keeps his chain get his chain now there's a beef the mob is going over here for retaliation because this ain't happening and they beefed up de squad saying okay then coming through here dissing that so it was shootings here and there there now we at the MGM right for the for the Mike Tyson fight exactly were you in Vegas yeah yeah six six two I was running the club at the time right Reggie ride was there but I was doing the door and all of that right and your brother bun tree was there as well bunchy was that the fight he wants you to fight with him we already knew it was it was going to happen that that they was coming to Vegas the whole nine and then when they came they pulled up in front of six six two I learned a bunch of them and told them that keep you didn't invite here the Southsiders out here and they drove off now if you look at the video at the MGM you know everybody's sand and and this is the killer part two five don't know know south side crips you know none of these guys how did he know to go after this dude and this is one of my problems with should man let's do dis artists just man is worth millions of dollars to you and you let him go over here and fight a gangbanger a man he knew jack [ __ ] about and this is how I get killed because you to heaven Orlando Anderson was in the lobby near the MGM Travon Lane sees him and tells everybody in the crew hey that's the guy that jumped me you know from what I understand he didn't go to Tupac and whisper in his ear he told all the big homies that there is there someone in the area that's potentially a danger if and and this word I say BS if he went to the homies the homies would have went after that cabin and in dealt with him not after Tupac go get him but the homies would have dealt with that and sheikhs had allowed the homies and let the homies deal with that situation not to pop this ain't your business but to pot goes over there and take off he threw the first blow and then after that everybody else's only okay and bun tree was part of that crew yeah every yeah everybody they're saying neckbone a bunch of dudes I mean give you a roll call I mean exactly so you know the faces see everybody that's there everybody that was there got up got a lick in which including sure I mean this guy got up yeah this guy got up went busted up I mean I know he was hurting because I mean it was kicking the [ __ ] out of and now that's like kicking a dog this low dude is with the business in his neighborhood right I mean me Orlando was being investigated for multiple murders at the time and you know he was known to be a real gangster from South Side he was a little young hitter he was he was winning and I think those guys should have did their homework before they led to Park go over there mess with him well I interviewed Reggie and you know he said I didn't see him until about two or three hours after that incident happened he was concerned about pop this olive concern to say that he was upset with me or anything like that no conversations then come and tell later signals consequences from the beginning yeah signals consequences when they put the $10,000 on the chain you know a lot of people sitting here and and if it wouldn't if it wasn't for sure none of this whatever it ever happened none of this none of this would be Southside would be in a neighborhood and mom would be in a neighborhood all this other [ __ ] it stems from Shilla so two-pocket still be here and and maybe the majority of the guys that some deference to be here but only this is shield night okay so the fight happens pot goes back to the room and change and everything else like that and they start making their way towards club 662 mm-hm and at the same time key fee or Lando and the other guys in the car are looking for for sugar and to pot some girls saw Tupac and started yelling which kind of alerted that the southside guys and they pull up to the car and shoot the car up for number one they knew that the south side was there and they knew what kind of car he was driving because you told him yeah they you got 15 20 cars following each other yeah I don't see this car coming fast yeah how did they get away you know Bochy chased them I mean they shouldn't have got away it's okay cuz bun tree was in the the caravan yeah now it's fight night Vegas is packed anybody go to Vegas Mike Tyson fight Las Vegas Boulevard is packed gang of people how did they get away Orlando was mad at shield that this situation happened cuz he told show [ __ ] new money this I know what do you mean by that what did you do when when did Orlando tell sugar [ __ ] Union at the MGM oh okay so whatever he had working with him I don't know you know what I'm saying but why would he tell him that solely Orlando told that after he got jumped when he got chugged he was Holland [ __ ] you and your money and why these people around him and they they all walking out the door they de Marvin real fast and if you look at that video you see to park in front of everybody right walking like Jeep come on man you just signed your death well you yourself said that Orlando was the one that killed Tupac yeah and I know killed Tupac yeah and I'd been hearing this for the last 15 years from you know friends of mine from Compton and everything I was like that it was like the worst kept secret in Compton well a lot of people didn't want to talk about it because you know especially his uncle if he just said it why wild land was alive that's snitching that's yeah you just son your nephew to prison and yourself because he was in the car yes so they I mean they ain't saying nothing but now that he's gone and a lot of key players are gone you know everybody can talk about it now and everybody is talking about it but you know you hear that the police wanted to park because he was just most afforded ya know or sure got Tupac killer the league well I mean some of them stories you hear but just don't didn't let it go out to the other year right if you understand what I'm saying because that that car was riddled with bullets from front to back this was not the concept of sugar cane someone to kill Tupac while he's in the car that's why graze him in the head like like it was the stupidest conspiracy theory that's why people were saying that why did Lando say would he say it and I'll and it'll pretty much totally if just going down [ __ ] [ __ ] you and your money I'm gonna get you to and you just got down bar Ganga blood and and in here years it's like man we forget these foods right and they didn't have a choice my standard protocol for people in that life and and all the homies should have known man that little cat ain't gonna let that slide that's not vintages go by and they were shocked that it happened just like that they didn't even make it to the to the club so the shooting happened you know I actually interviewed Chris Carroll who was the the first responder Evangelista showed up you know he essentially told me the Tupac's last words were [ __ ] the police I looked at once again I said what happened who did this who shot you and now he's looking at me so we're looking at each other in the eyes and this is kind of the first time he's even acknowledging my presence and he looked at me and I could tell he was you know he was getting the breath together to tell me and he looked me right in the eyes we looked at each other and he said [ __ ] you and he said it just like that with the emphasis on that F sure sugar and two-pocket taken to the hospital but you're still back at 6:16 yeah you get word of what just happened yeah but people weren't thinking the Tupac was gonna die cuz Tupac's has been shot other times and he survives when shoot when she came to the to the club we asked what was going on everybody was finna leave they was gonna shut 662 now Suge said no he gonna be alright he was hit in his medallion so everybody kept partying we all stayed dead we partied all night and I think the next morning some day after they said to pop is dead so it was like wow y'all safe and they live but then 1990s gone we and this is something I've talked to you know to the outlaws and everything else like that if you connect the fight at the MGM to the shooting that happened right afterwards you could say that Tupac died gangbang because that situation with Orlando was it as a gang situation and POC wasn't a blood wasn't you know I mean he was he was rollin with sugar and he was associated with it see what I'm saying you got that's like us we not Crips or Bloods but we could you know we could call 50 [ __ ] up here and half of them be Crips half on me Bloods you know I'm saying these is all my homies that I'm a robbery you know I'm saying was to the same situation you know me pod was right with him you know I mean just like there was riled with him you know I mean if some some [ __ ] kicked off [ __ ] would have been the first to Rafah pocket he was the same way he was round with his homies whoever it was it could have be could have been with you know whoever that day you know and I break it down even more simpler me and you become good homies and you get into a situation and I defend you as a homie yeah take the gangbangers [ __ ] away because me you not a gangbang I'm not a gangbanger you know I'm saying but you own vlad TV and in the hills and I ride for you yeah did I die for Vlad TV you know I mean that I die reporter did I die you know me that's not Lester you get very different answers depending on who you ask when from your point of view as someone who's been banging his whole life for them you know a large portion of his life would you say that Tupac gangbang no I think Tupac died because he put himself in the situation that he he had no business to partner and have no business doing what he was doing which was a gang situation which it was a gang situation it shouldn't put itself in that situation you see what I'm saying though you get yourself in a gang situation someone's you gangbangers at that point is I mean you I mean you gotta hang around you guilty by association and that's what he was he was guilty by association now I'm not don't play the part just to fit in you got money and just like I said before you you can't go buy another Tupac you know what I'm saying you can't go buy another one of them you got 15 blocks right here that this will be getting a little change for so this equipment confident we all pot rules from Compton go get his ass for what he did Tupac you said you said right in in his chair you my money don't let him run off and go hit somebody he don't know nothing about and that's why the man is not here he put himself in the situation that he had no business it wasn't his business I don't kid any one of those guys could've told Tupac even some pyro pyro it didn't make him yeah and I think there's a Showtime documentary about Suge and I think show talked about uh you know after that situation happened and he said well you know you HOT in the music but now after this situation now you gonna be hot on the street side and right after that happened and and and that's coming from a man that ain't wouldn't win hot from the beginning his damn self che came from no no he ain't never have no gun and and did no drive-bys he ain't stood had no stoves and fought no Crips he he wouldn't go into the high schools while we was doing us he was getting an education while we was fighting we would the school just for lunch to fight we didn't go to sit in no class you know what I'm saying my my little sister I go to school and she opened the doors for me because I'm pointing on what grip I wanted and she opened the door he in her class so I mean we was doing [ __ ] like that [ __ ] was getting education so she don't know about okay my brother's my homie it shouldn t give a [ __ ] about us man she didn't know what gangbanging was truly about you know what I'm saying she didn't go to none of the funerals under lil homies you probably can't even name five that died hmm so putting Tupac in the situation he didn't give a [ __ ] he didn't give a [ __ ] we lost 15 11 homeboys in this Darryl [ __ ] and ain't nobody family got chicken care of not even my brother you know what I'm saying right and we're and I want to talk about that as well so Tupac is shot and then he dies and everybody knows that Orlando yeah and the south side Crips are behind a war then breaks out in Compton yeah what happened was that all the players that were from Compton came back to Compton and we were told that hey you know Southside was responsible for the shooting of Tupac so it's coming back to Compton and what that meant to us the war was about to start and sure enough like two days later it started okay how many people were killed during this war I think in the next 10 days we had three people murdered and I want to say 11 11 shooting students yeah between South Side Crips and the mob Piru and looters Park okay so just a full full-blown ball blowing war how many people got shot in the process of that aftermath I'm beloved honestly I can't see how many people got shot I know it was a lot of shootings in the neighborhood I neighborhood but I neighborhood was mainly was doing a lot of shooting too you know a lot of people ask me well if y'all know and Lando did it why y'all didn't get Orlando number one a Lando didn't sit in one spot right Orlando see that you guys know that he did exactly yeah so he didn't sit in one spot and sit on the corner and smoke weed and say went on his mom needs to come to kill me right no he wasn't in his hood he didn't hang out like that he met his demise doing what he do best and he died a couple years later yeah you know and a drug deal gone I mean I was this kid down Orlando's grandmother had passed away the night before and apparently he had been drinking all night with one of his best friends Michael duro and they went over to a place called mom's Burgers across the street from the carwash get something to eat well he sees a guy that owes from another gang in Compton a [ __ ] set in Compton that owes his uncle and his friend DeAndre I forgot was five grand 10 grand somewhere in there about five grand over some cocaine so he decides because they've been drinking and everything else they got a gun in the car they're gonna go over and jam him up about the money he owes well this guy's from another gang in Compton called corner pocket and some of the other corner pocket gang members were there and they're they start coming up like hey what's this all about why he jamming them up and next thing you know Orlando pulls out a gun and shoots two of the corner pocket persons that are there or shoots one of them right away and then another corner pocket guy starts shooting back at Orlando and pretty much hit some dead center I mean he wasn't alive much longer after that his partner that was in the car with Orlando took the gun and then started shooting back and ended up shooting another corner park I that shot Orlando they went around the corner crashed the car and we were pulling up there when Orlando was being pulled out of the car the other guy took off running dumping the gun and we're waiting for paramedics and one of our our partners ray Richardson was over there talking to Orlando and he was basically taking his last breaths at that time and two of the persons at the gas station that they were shooting at also died that day so it was a triple murder and it was all dope related had nothing to do the two but nothing to do with you probably if we had our way we too got him he the guy got by the neighborhood well because even though technically Tupac wasn't a pyro it happen under your watch me personally it didn't it didn't matter if he was a pyro at that point you know the man got killed and the homies was there and and shook was the homie and he was with death row now I mean the mob was was death row from the mob to death row so yeah we didn't have a choice but to try to get you know do what we had to do because of that happen if we didn't then you know we look bad right so didn't nobody have a choice but to do what they had to do right but you ultimately you guys never got poor land oh no and then he was killed a couple years later so at that point years later ki fede gets caught up in a in a sting operation and confesses the whole the whole shooting situation to Gregg hating who you was as well but when you heard that ki feed a key fede confession or what did you think I didn't believe it because okay why is this guy saying his now don't even know he can go to jail well everyone in the car at the time he did that confession everyone in the car except for him was dead Orlando was dead and there was two other guys in the car and they were both dead as well at that or they I didn't know they got killed one of them one of them died I think of natural causes he was just overweight and never you know I talked to it to Greg Katie about this by the time the key fede gave you that information Orlando was gone what about the other two members of the car Dre was already gone he was in the passenger seat the driver how did it how did he die he died from natural causes obesity and health related causes and Terrance Anderson the driver he just recently died he was shot and killed inside of a marijuana dispensary in Compton and so now what was this just just recently within the last couple months so keifa DS last man standing now he free to speak on it they give him immunity yeah I had Greg can explain this to me he's the only living person in that crime he gets caught up with a bunch of a PCP I think mm-hmm and they say you know confess this whole situation to us and we'll drop this PCP case which you have you know basically facing life over and whatever you say if it you know if it matches up to everything that we check none of this could be used to implicate you in the actual crime what a guy actually confess to his nephew killing a man yeah now from what I know if I'm with you and I commit a crime a murder at least I got that same case correct but but what I'm saying is the way that the way they structured that yeah that's he was that he was not charged with that murder now if other evidence comes out later on and pins him to the murder then that's a whole different situation but his actual confession could not be used to to actually think you've been herself and and all the other people saying that they saw him and they in any dissident and not only that he said he did it he puts this up there so if I say I saw on I can't be lying because he put us up there is it's a tricky situation exactly so if he went well mummy he's still out right now do you think yeah do you think do you consider that snitching well his nephew was gone yeah I think I don't think he should have said anything he should have took that to his grave I mean my nephew did that I mean that's like me putting my brother out there because I know he'd gone and he can't be convicted and then I can sit and say what much we did on death row no I can't say what bunchy did on death row everybody knows everybody own death rows [ __ ] that's how they need to know well after this happened Suge was I guess violated his probation because of the fight mm-hmm and Reggie right actually said that that was done between the turnings I was there how it happened was uh Edie fall you know no Edie fall from me one of the guys that represented only the Rodney King that the war was the beat of Reginald Denny he was powerful popular attorney from that way anyway eighty Father David Kenner or that we all met at the studio at the SPD falls office and they came up with a when they were about to sue or they were in the process of suing to pop and they came up to agreement with hey if you come and testify because we're trying to stay in shifts from going to jail to do that you know nine-year violation and testify that [ __ ] was trying to really help you he was trying to get get them off you he wasn't one that assaulted you he was really trying to stop everybody from assaulting you if you're coming testify to that will give you a you know we're settled this case with you for I think it was sixty thousand dollars I wouldn't put that past I mean Reggie Reggie said it on camp but if you did I mean I wouldn't put it past ya you know there's a lot of things that you know when me and ship started out it was me and Suge in a couple of little homies you know I even told little Reggie you know I love you to death but she's gonna never burn you to death wrong reason why I say that is because little Reggie had issues with some of the guys that was working for that bro so when you did that what was the purpose of doing that Silke purpose was to have Reggie there to keep us at a bay mmm because oh I see what it is we on his neck and all okay so he had the mob Piru dudes as muscle but then he had Reggie and the police to kind of control that muscle and in a way and exactly it was a balancing act oh okay or not I never thought of it that just pictured all the big homes all the whole right because everyone in here every gangster is ultimately scared of the police to a certain degree it was it wasn't that just say for instance you got all these guys out of the penitential these guys really don't know you from Jack Sid but they telling you [ __ ] dude isn't it like he's talking to she can talk to you like that she didn't how to control the only control she had was then you see what not many numbers on that check and oh that's cool but I mean we had homies fighting each other stabbing each others over a paycheck or what was going on because the she looks at now here come Reggie right when he brought Reggie in his security and everybody got a moon sign because Reggie is is moving with shield like this now and he's the police yeah so I ain't finna send myself back to prison she was a lot of shady [ __ ] going on now now you got brothers they finding the stashes in your car everybody that was getting mad at you they find the stash in the car now and he doing five six years in prison he had a way to get rid of the ones that he was really afraid I mean after that whole situation happened sugars up going to jail and a lot of infighting starts to happen what was the situation half of your brother bun tree and fighting was before she went to jail a lot of people don't understand that that the more bunch we got closer to shore the less money that they were getting because she was doing a lot for bunching so he was paying bun tree well yeah Alison was buncher was getting more money than everybody some of the guys that was there were like straight cutthroat like the one that killed bunch of George was was so like how the [ __ ] this dude is getting this and I'm getting this you giving me peanuts and he getting this so it was a lot of everybody fighting each other and it all depends on if Suge telling man he told me he's gonna do Walker's you getting this the [ __ ] you telling him that for now you know he gonna go back to him and say [ __ ] you told and now there's not a stabbing each other nine homes and I'm telling them I'm telling all of them I told my family before Bundy was killed that gotta watch out back up this [ __ ] is dis and it was always mom's as you drinking you jog you trippin and [ __ ] like this well I mean bun trees making I guess real money for the first time I mean legal money I guess the first time ever in his first time ever yeah yeah so so he's not gonna just leave that situation well that's why none of them nobody wanted to leave that situation I mean everybody that was on death row this was pretty much a first paper check this is I don't have to rob a Mexican I don't have to do this and that for it along with the fame of being in the spotlight and alone with that and end of the liquor the women the I mean everything everything came with that you know what I'm saying you go to a concert if you don't get none then you you got a problem that's on you if you don't come we came in I mean just the whole - oh is a total different atmosphere that being on the Block selling cocaine yeah you know what I'm saying and then going places you've never been I was sorry Compton so the situation with buncher he said that George killed him yeah and George was a Piru also yeah okay he got stabbed who your brother no he was shot nine times he was shot nine times but Allison wasn't the first that was killed under [ __ ] Night Watch and this is where everybody is all bunchy it's just bunch of dead you got Vincent you got hair on you got Hendo you got chance you I mean I can just name cuz it was a 10 or 11 people yeah you got all of these guys up under 10 or 11 pi ruse Piru were killed associate associating with death-row yeah by other members by the same members that's endeavour oh wow dev'reaux was fighting the homies discussing at each other like this now because they were fighting over money over the [ __ ] that [ __ ] was saying and doing over it over yeah they say not just the money now it's okay [ __ ] with my homie just my dog and now everybody is fighting each other you know what I'm saying and when when I tried to tell him that this [ __ ] is coming nobody wanted to listen to me you know what I'm saying your brother gets shot nine times yeah by George another another PI remember does he get convicted no at that time before Alton was shot Davie though Dave Dave bream dave was killed in front our house he and bunchy walked outside he walked to the car with his girlfriend they shot him 16 times and the girl was shot I think four or five I think she lost her own he lost his life then bunchy was shot and when Bunty was shot somebody that was weird but recalled and told him we're a bunch of was that now in his own flesh war between each other in death row it ain't no going back you had her on at the time hiding in bushes trying to catch a cat that was sandy same man George said he gonna kill him so it was just it was just one after the other yep and when bunch of got killed it was it was uh it was crazy because he was riding around taking care of business doing his thing and these guys that came to the house once before but once it was happening what we doing and he I ain't worried about that and it's like he wasn't tripping but my sister the other day showed me some of this just just peace out the Bible that he had the same day the day before he died he had it on his nightstand and I don't think once you knew something he had to know because it was it was all it was all over the place and it wasn't no more place of business for death row you couldn't go up there and hang together and kicking like it was from the beginning everybody had their guns you got to have your gun on you like Heron Heron never got caught slipping without his gun here he is going to rosecrans stop at the light and this guy how about having a couple buddies and they shooting like 3040 sometimes this just shot his [ __ ] up so what happened to George then George wind up going to to the feds for water some PCP and some guns and wine of getting life behind that him and little rod which a lot of those guys in the neighbor was scared of George because they was doing what they was doing and how they was getting down recoup and other Bloods from different places and all of that but so George was never charged with that murder I don't think they even bothered with it after he got sentenced to life in the face what's the difference what's the difference every February 5th that's his birthday yeah you go through it all over again I could say this a hundred times if I wouldn't uh if I went to bring my brother to death row I want to put him in this situation I think about I should I should have did something I said I try to figure out what what I could've did and he still be alive I say it's my fault because I've seen it coming no matter what I said to do but you didn't listen to me no matter what I said to sure it might have scared him at that time but charges head and went the other way and I should have felt like he should have been more afraid of me than any one of them other guys but it didn't happen anyway so because you would already distance yourself from yeah I'm sorry for your loss man but bunchy was your older brother my younger younger bra's and that was your little this month look at you little man where I got another one Timmy and then outta me but yeah that was my brother we fought we argue you know I argued with him about a lot of [ __ ] that was going on with death row and and he didn't want to listen to me grown man none of your business we stopped talking for a minute you know my whole thing was bunch of why you keep calling my momma and tell them what momma what I'm doing and you want some Louis [ __ ] why you letting her talk to [ __ ] and getting around to bed coming to the to the shopping telling me come on are coming to you know just me they couldn't control me they had to call my momma so my momma get on the phone and talk a little sense chubby and leave and leave him alone as much as much pain as you went through losing losing your brother I'm just gonna guess that it's a fraction of what your mother went through yeah yeah and just to see her everyday from the from when we first found out and when we got there and see our whole facial expression change her body just like ready to fold it wasn't nothing nobody can do and I see it every day every time I think about that I see it every day and it was killing me so I knew she was going through it way worse [Music] being her had our differences I mean she just dealt with it in every night on ice you come in and you hear her client I wouldn't wish it on nobody but then you look at it as this is the [ __ ] that I was doing every day to people gangbang yeah all the guys that died in death row got a mama got a brother got a sister and God the God found me and all these people was crying but here you got a show tonight sitting there bitching and crying about going to prison and people was it's like on Suge Knight's side oh my dreams of saying this I'm like this I lost more than a paycheck [ __ ] that check I lost my brother doing this she can't bring him back she can't pay for him but then after this [ __ ] that he did at the buncher pass okay nobody tell me nothing about shield night nobody I was just home bombed on Reggie's them thing was taken on foot off this man night because he going through the 28 years and ain't even worth talking about Suge Knight no more is with all the work that that although the PI rules put in for death row all the blood that was shed the you know all the violence that happened all the people that you guys protected and everything else like that at the end of the day you said that everyone is still in the hood no one has any money don't even as a nice car we got one millionaire we ain't got $1000 we gots not one not one man possibly from that not one everybody is back where they yet and and when I say that a lot of people give me twisted and saying that I'm bitching about what we got paid of where we yet take your legs I take my legs I'm the first one to admit that if I can do this again I would I get paid and everybody else would be getting paid but everybody knew what the outcome of this was gonna be pretty much because when sugar went to jail she took back everything he didn't want nobody to drive he didn't want nobody to leave it so all the cars were basically leased under death row yeah and then when he went to jail he took it was Carter parking parking if I ain't driving and out there hanging out enjoying the [ __ ] and this and that give up the car and it was and and these is killers and they was putting the parking the cars and the only reason why they was parking the cars because we should have come home they want to be a good grace come on you were back to doing what she was doing before you even many now everybody is back on the same page so death row for everybody was a waste of life period at one point shook was essentially looked at as untouchable nobody got close to Suge nobody were there dared to even badmouth him although he wouldn't dare but at one point all the Pyro's essentially you know all the og PI rules kind of separated from him and then I think you said that's when he started getting knocked out and and everything else like well when everybody start going well after that the country was killed and then hammer-on I mean uh hand dog was killed pretty much everybody started leaving him alone or going back to prison then he didn't have no choice but to recruit what I called the little homies so the little homies was hanging but they didn't have that mentality so you take this just big-ass wall that you got behind you when people look at you they see these [ __ ] ready to eat because [ __ ] are getting paid more if I'm if he's not your [ __ ] like a [ __ ] god they was getting paid more they was getting a bonus or something so they don't see that no more so without that let me get at this cat my focus was pouring drinks on him slapping him that knock out I think was was lucky but there's a couple knockouts yeah there was no armored guy then there's a cons guy here my boy he from the second another the one that drives a tow truck is one I'm talking okay no but there was also the Akon situation well because what I want to say is at one point should lose his death row completely yeah you know and Reggie explained how essentially he didn't show up to court the judgment is what caused him to have to file bankruptcy not that hereo was correct or the judge they went through a trial or anything like that he didn't he didn't show up the trials and see what some people would say okay well now I don't have all this money let me change the way I operate let me not push the issue with people let me be that likable guy because everyone wanted a [ __ ] was should you know show could have gotten into other situations but show continued to push the line with people you know like the Akon situation when he got knocked out by job was him trying to collect royalties off of from producer the same thing that happened shot people wanted to hang with [ __ ] because a lot of people were scared of people in the industry itself and to [ __ ] with sugars is ain't nobody gonna [ __ ] with you because they know you [ __ ] we should we brung a lot to show that a lot of people don't know we gave sure what he is and and with that a lot of people in the industry was so afraid of [ __ ] or thinking these gangbangers it's gonna come blow my house up our Dave in addition and I can't be seen on the music scene no more can't be caught at the studio people paid you to be around shift right I mean cuz I could tell you from from personal experience I was you know flat TV was in Universal Records at one point in New York mm-hmm and in the Security office there was a picture of Suge on the wall and it says do not allow in the building because Suge had threatened the president of universal at the time over some royalties or whatever there was an armed security guy in front of the building whenever the president was there they would escort him to his car and back and this was this was after death row was gone and everything else like that this is still happening but his shenanigans were still going on that's what I'm saying you know she was still going out of town he was still going to New York he was still gonna places and his tactics wouldn't work in no more because he didn't have the same people yeah so without those shot in Miami yeah so without the Chris Brown without that yeah now and everybody is testing you now you got a really show who you are and look what happened every time he got tested every time he got tested we had a fight with I'm just gonna tell you the story with the rams his team which when they cut him they was talking [ __ ] we seen him at the Roxy and they stretched his car instead of him doing what he had to do he ran into the club and got us it's like nine of them 11 of us but these some big [ __ ] and looking at [ __ ] like you really want to fight these [ __ ] and he was like yeah they blue he said well why are you going there and get them when I stressed your [ __ ] [ __ ] shake shoulda took off and out of his business right then and there not if you 240 pounds lighter than him yeah he gonna slap the [ __ ] out of you but if we the same equals the same weight he's gonna think about it he's gonna think about it and punch me and all of them seen that and other people seen it you know what I'm saying I mean it was grab a woman that's weighed 120 and you Devon her 400 pounds down mother the Katt Williams yeah she's right I mean he just he was just so full of [ __ ] right but it ain't there no more he also he also slapped up the dude at the weed shop when you saw that a the Showtime documentary America's nightmare and you see sugar at the end crying you know behind the sunglasses how did that make you feel I felt kind of sorry for sure it was kind of sad because I'm watching him and I'm looking at him and this ain't [ __ ] night you know the sugar night I knew then didn't do drugs with no alcohol like this cat right here look like alcoholic this cat is talking but you don't understand [ __ ] he talking about this saying good night and Suge Knight pretty much did like Scarface at the end of the day you gonna wreck yourself with with all the guys that of death and everybody is gone and and we're death row is that now he's pretty much right there too so I can say he's where he belongs and he dug that ditch for itself you know what I'm saying yes so I feel sorry for him but then I don't feel sorry for him because on the other hand I think 28 years that's three years maybe for each guided long stay like sure she'll gets locked up for the Terry Carter you know death and I did a lot of interviews around you know while he was locked up and I said you know I think he has a chance of getting off I think this might be self-defense you know I had big you on here and he said oh yeah no sure sure go do a year or two I think he got about do you probably got to do about three more calendars three four more calories at the mouth three more years that's the most and then get out yeah he'd be home definitely all and then lo and behold show accepts a 28-year plea deal Suge didn't wanted he didn't want to take life yeah he didn't want the life one thing people don't understand sure God so many has so many cases and his offering he had boxes of files with cases that he was fighting he was salts he had three felonies that he was fighting and he would have to beat yeah Reggie explained it he would have to beat all three in court and then beat another three potential appeals and he just felt that he would not be able to win six trials in a row it spoke to him once after the plea and what he pretty much explained or say it was he would have had to win six times to not get life in jail win six times because there was six different charges it was three different charges but he would have had to beat those twice because they would have kept retraining he no he wasn't he nearly wasn't so he would he he did the right thing he did the right thing but 28 years I mean he in and now so my whole thing is let him do his time and and I'm just whatever with the dude whatever what to do I ain't got my brother you know what I'm saying so don't [ __ ] over the 28 you know I'm saying which I hear he's doing this thing so I'm not and I'm like pretty much that over sure when you found out about the 28 years did it bring any sort of closure with your brother no not really I was like 28 years damaged the same as me 53 anyone years old he'd be done he won't be [ __ ] me who came at kids okay I mean I thought all kind of said but I mean it pretty much stripped him it stops the the [ __ ] he don't have the little homies or nobody that he can use our paper to do his dumb [ __ ] everything down he got to do it on his own cuz he got to do that time anybody else do it for him so the Suge Knight is is washed away you know the only time I really truly feel sorry for sugars wind maxime past and they wouldn't let him go see her that's his mother yeah my mother just passed my mother brother was in jail and she didn't want my brother to die while she was in there she said I don't want him in there if something happened to me so I know what he would have went through so I know what she was going through since my mother passing is is hard for me but I can't do number alone and my atria foot for sugar and anybody else's I'm good I can't move on if I'm still feeling the way I feel about those cats the ones that got something bad to say or whatever the case might be if you ain't sent it to me I'm good with you and that's how I feel my brother bun tree last year I did not get pissy drunk and and wanted to hoorah hoorah I am getting older I have to accept it I have a grandson grandkids and my focus is on that now I don't - Oh foot the [ __ ] that I used to do so I ain't sure if she walked in the room right now and then sat on this couch or would you tell what would I tell him yeah I'll just tell him [ __ ] you it means you can have a conversation if I could get on the phone and talk to [ __ ] right now in the day I'll tell sure you should have listened to me when we first started you should have listened to me you shouldn't put on that [ __ ] devil suit the red suit you seen today none of that [ __ ] you should've been in the pictures and all that other [ __ ] you should have listened to me what you did you turned everybody against me just to suit yourself and then look with a n and look where you at I got a lot to say to him I'm not to say to him he's got the time to talk these days no I'm not I'm not gonna reach out to shield yeah no that's that's over enough we've been there and and he chose to get on which okay cool but I I'm gonna let it go I gotta let it go you know I don't care with Trayvon and none of those guys say about Tupac yeah I want to Parker be from the hood think one thing it makes you guys look bad because he was killed on your watch y'all allowed this man to do [ __ ] that that he shouldn't have did and had no business doing you know what I'm saying and then at the end of the day y'all glorified by oh that's too homey that don't mean [ __ ] we got a lot of day at homeys but y'all killed your money you know what I'm saying and they don't see that they don't see the difference is ain't nobody smart in this this at all so then you fast forward a couple years and they're filming straight out of cop two sugars friends with Terry Carter what was Terry around during the whole what cherry always been around he's one of the founder of the blood yeah he's always been around here I mean that was one of the coolest cats that you can ever deal with you know a lot of [ __ ] say my brother bouncer was cool my pocket and took care of cats while he was in prison Terry Carter is one and and shouldn't know he was a cool [ __ ] he ain't gonna do nothing [ __ ] bones I don't think bones are gonna do nothing [ __ ] but this is your problem you coming up there looking for Dre talkin about he owe you some money trade left that bro with zero money dollars he walked away I don't want nothing just let me go so here's sugars now Dre worth a lot of money he think trade know what's going on I'm gonna get two hundred fifty thousand maybe a million out this [ __ ] and it didn't happen it didn't happen so them talking to suga dead the situation escalate escalated now Sugar's scared well after after bone and it'll be near in the car yeah now he's scared now he just gonna take off he just went to take the [ __ ] off because he he's scared now and that's how that happened right and if he had just taken off and driven off nothing what happened even even if he got out the car and when in holiday bones are talked to you know what I'm saying talk to situation now it have been cool but no [ __ ] was scared and he panicked right and then he backed up and then ran over bones and then killed on accident ended up killing Terry Carter Terry Carter was trying to pretty much telling the whole lot old up and she went blind at that time I think the cataract hit the left eye and he couldn't see no more that's what he said yeah blind yes I'm when your [ __ ] health issues after that [ __ ] is pathetic yeah and I remember I interviewed a tradie who was being managed well he was managed by Terry Carter at one point you know he's very close to Terry and he said that his his problem with that whole situation was you know when he walked in turned himself in and the cameras was out there and you know he just put the cigar out and put it in a tree and say yeah you know I'll be back to get this in the morning you know and just you know walked in like like it wasn't nothing I didn't see no remorse I know you know confusion or you know he wasn't he didn't even seem to be unsettled and then when I heard what had happened in the interim of that going on and him bagging up and running over Terry and everything you know he just you know when allegedly you know went freshened up you know I'm saying he knew what was coming you know poor lay with his little piece of whatever and uh you know I meant let me go get this out the way like like it was it was nothing and it you know I'm not I don't want to sit here and pretend that you know I'm just so broke up about it that you know I'm saying it just disturbs me to that degree but it's like I would want to know like damn man how could you knock your boy off like that and then it not even showing you you can have remorse if you've never if you you didn't live this he lived like this we lose a homie we at the funeral we crying we going through it because we don't lost to homie sugar haven't lived that life he ain't lived like that so our lives the one worth [ __ ] you know really didn't mean [ __ ] to him that's why he continued to do what he did you know lost all these homies on death row man we need a memorial or something we need to do something HAP I'm eating one very or didn't I interviewed a DLC you know basically is the one that brought sugar round into the into the what it eventually became death row yeah and the way he explained to me was that she was a big kid he's a deviant yeah I mean like mister tell stories about pissing on footballs players legs in the shower and thought that was just a funny [ __ ] in the world yeah you know I'm saying is baiting me man I liked it him - until he did what he did but DLC I don't care who knows I don't like him either he was a [ __ ] weenie for sure and he wasn't yes man and shook [ __ ] him at the end of the day and and now he see and now he regret [ __ ] with you but yeah chips went up in and drawing dries [ __ ] was that mean [ __ ] with no grease okay yeah but I mean he did him like pretty much everybody dad dad dad dad had his back and and you know deal see it was there for him and then at the end of the day he threw me way like [ __ ] that this throat is [ __ ] up he ain't no good and it's how he telling us [ __ ] deal see so I think we had the Soul Train award and deal see jumped in a limo and took off with all of us just Nimmo full of power rules and he took off with us the hidden street corners hidden alleys and I'm trying I was shaking her something so we pulled back in front of the the the Soul Train Awards and and he gets out laughing but he's drunk so the homeboy rock one of the shooting now no shooting no love I got him man you just know what you did and he's he sucked him in his mouth and he on the ground slid him on the car and a female ran and saying here deal see here deal see she'll come over there who hit the guy hit him lucky I hit him because he was going to get shot so him too with his shenanigans he was full of [ __ ] and he said his self up on the shield 90 propaganda and and he thought he was gonna come out on the other end but he came out on the same and we did straight out there so and and he way yeah because of that you have kids honey how many children I got three and how many grandkids three three did your kids bang it off no no no and your grandkids are still oh wait a minute I mean to me clarify that my two sons college everything my daughter is is me and her mother yeah my daughter is a little rougher than my sons and his I'm trying my best with her and I have her son right now my grandson and I'm helping her with my grandson but she coming alone but she's she's my payback oh so she's actually in somewhat involved and she's the south side she from South Side oh she's from yeah your enemies yeah I descend so exactly God God has an interesting way of what keep things our momma is from South Side's all right so I'm gonna stop moving so much for you okay but yeah her mama's from Southside so she went that way but it's okay I mean the old is she didn't I think the older we all get we learned and and I'm learning from a lot of my mistakes every year yeah so she got a while to go but she get there you know when you look at your kids and your grandkids and it's like look I've been shot four times I've done this much prison time I lost my brother I lost my close friends I didn't make any money I don't have a bag to show for it you know if they if they tell you hey grandpa I want to I want to follow your footsteps I want to be og like you won't you tell I would and I tell them this and my sister vouch for me my nephews they all claim to my the majority of them is my baby brother's sons for my nephews they all claim to my by his stories about them saying my oldest son say the mob when he drink but it's not a gangbang I tell him all the time the homies killed your uncle I feel stupid because I represented this [ __ ] and gave a lot to my neighborhood a lot of penitentiary chances I heard a lot of people from my neighborhood now your uncle is dead by blood snot no Crips that defeated the purpose and that killed me in the inside you don't want to be a gangbanger you're not going to get paid for it when you go to jail you ain't gonna get a check then I point out to them this the first year after your uncle died they forget about you and I tell my kids I tell my nephews I tell all of them you're not gonna get paid doing this you ain't getting nothing out of this but the penitentiary don't be like me and say if I woulda should have couldn't go to school and do what you got to do right don't you be like me you have a problem and they don't listen so if they don't listen now you got a big grow up the way they want to grow up there I'm there form but I came I came I came yeah I can't make them well but your two sons went to college yes which is great yes my oldest son is raising his daughter from day one my youngest son is so smart he went to Texas the Longhorns and him yeah he's a computer for he's he's really here geek nice but my boys are good yeah you don't have no kids my youngest son don't have no kids 22 and my oldest son he has a daughter that he's been raising for 10 years on his own they're good my daughter is my no [ __ ] but I love it though because I love my daughter yeah and and my kids is everything to me so now I got to figure out now when I start when the grandpa thing came I got to change the game I got to change up I got a I got to be here for them I got it know who was my grandpa no I see that in mind my nephew Lou outs and kids that had never seen they grandpa yeah and I know if bunchy was here that first granddaughter is would have been on and cracking he'd have been either loved her but she'd never know her grandpa so I'm soaking all this I gotta be there for my kids and my grandkids and the whole year and I have left of my mother life I'm there to house with her and I went seven eight months I got my grandson so it's me my mom's in my breasts I mean man he's the joy of my life because this dude is 2 years old and he'd do everything he does everything he's so smart but he bad and they say terrible - that ain't terrible - he doing stuff dad you wouldn't think nobody gonna do but deaf taught me a lot made me understand a lot friendship and loyalty a lot of the homies you think had loyalty but they didn't possess it at all from the beginning and my mother used to tell me you're president who you think they are you'll see your family is your friends when bunch we passed I sing there was no loyalty in my hood I couldn't I there's no way in where I could stay here no I could be a part is these [ __ ] don't have loyalty all these guys I went out of my way I don't smoke we never did but I would get my check from she'll come to the hood buy liquor by we and put it out there and everybody long as I'm I'm feeling good while I'm drinking everybody else gonna feel that way if you got shot I'm gone I'm out there loyalty a lot of I had to join motorcycle club to to see what that man and I have some good friends in the motorcycle club if I called it coming these these dudes in the hood is you know the gang bang thing is the loyalty [ __ ] your blood you don't say this you don't do this where's my loyalty you catch okay y'all don't talk about bunch of y'all ain't on no bun tree y'all ain't know no hand dog y'all got pitches the Tupac on your body let's do roll call what about top dog and all the unknowns that is dead big Frank showboat on all these cats they worried about Tupac okay no longer than two years maybe three there's two parts in your life now he's gone scoot loyalty is out the window these days and you know you these older cats is not teaching these younger cats you know what loyalty means what friendship means you got a lot of things like money comes into playing and I got kill you for some money or I'll turn my back on you for this and that for some [ __ ] or whatever it's just I'm saying it all wrong and and I got it right here but when I'm saying that a really touching but I'm just it's just so [ __ ] up right now but when you look at the the rules and the structure and the principles that you were raised in you're not supposed to snitch you're supposed to you know something happens to one of your one of your homies you're supposed to put in work you do all these things and then on the once you do them oftentimes where's the wind you know what I mean like you you don't snitch you know you're involved in a crime you don't snitch you do these years in prison you come out what's waiting for you usually nothing you know like for example like you know I interviewed a freeway Ricky mmm you know as well as a little D I don't know if he was the crack King yeah Oakland they both told me they got locked up with millions you know they had millions of dollars when they got locked up and got their 30 whatever year you know lifetime sentences they put money and property in their families and friends names and every single time when they got out there was nothing there for them when you get out at a time you have to trust somebody you got a people hold money you got a people have it your properties and they know and what Georgia the guy I have a conversation with I did a bunch of you years do what I thought was years family and friends they gonna spend that money money cuz I feel like you don't need it don't like they in they mind they say oh you needed some money to go to Commons there and get on the phone absolutely same thing with the same thing same identical stories identical yeah so all these people that are getting locked up who think that they're the relative said they're homies are gonna hold on to that half a million in cash and that property in those cars you know about and when you when you when you when you doing it you're thinking like you're going to accumulate this stuff and when you come home you'll have that yeah but when you came out you had nothing nothing all these rules that you're supposed to follow and you're supposed to be a real a real street dude a real a real Piru do you feel that a lot of it was a lie I knew I believed in what I was I believed in the game banging thing period that was my life at one time in my younger days I disrespected my mama for my neighborhood she couldn't tell me that these when my friends she couldn't tell me that one of these cats that's sitting at this table right here is gonna be the one that kill you she couldn't tell me that back then if she told me it happened it happened so the homies the hood and none of that can't tell me [ __ ] because they ain't looking out for Lou Alton been looking out for his son Ascari been looking out they didn't look out for my mom's you know she didn't do that you know what I'm saying I think I didn't get a check when bunchy was killed you know what I'm saying I never got to check for now nobody ever heard you know what I'm saying this is what we was doing and and for this to be my life and then at the end of the date my friends killed my brother and it killed me so there's no win well I can I can be a part of this and and and still feel good about it yeah and that's why I don't understand why my nephews and my other brother still want to be a part of this ain't that much Street out of here right this is why the beginning the interview when I said your mob Piru you said used to be yeah so you know claim it anymore no I don't but it sucked me inside my head if I ever say that again in my life no I don't know I think I was let down that I mean hood let me down you know what I'm saying I think a lot of things supposed to been different when he passed different went higher on paths different when hen dog passed different when champ ass Vincent every man that was was killed in here you know what I'm saying I think a lot of [ __ ] should have been different and I think if we represent this and this is what we is at some point we all got to come together like Godfather's and put a stop to it ain't nobody sent another night everybody pointing a finger over here and over there and and and this man is still doing his thing so all these guys from the different hoods in Compton that that these brothers that lost their lives ain't none of the homies stepping up and saying I hear what you're saying my Jam's you know what I'm saying so I don't have to speak so you pretty much telling me [ __ ] me anyway but I say to you [ __ ] you you feel me and and it's 18 years 16 years 17 years since my brother's death I don't honestly I don't give a [ __ ] just leave me alone and I'll leave you alone and that's where is that well I mean I could tell you you know we you know we have a pretty big audience a lot of people watch our interviews you an old mm-hmm and I think that I can guarantee you that someone's gonna watch this you know who's thinking about gang banging who you know looks up to little Wayne you know throwing red rags Chris Brown and all the various other rappers who glorify the gangbang and thing and they're gonna see this story and say maybe not maybe maybe I should reconsider oh so you know so I know so cuz because I get the dm's and I get the messages and I get people to say hey you know this interview changed my life and you know thank you thank you for showing the other side of it because we don't try to glorify this yeah we try to show what really happens on the back end and it's never almost never a good ending well I'm got it I'm doing a book right now and I think my book is gonna truly explain to everybody what Deborah was and I mean we can all paint up paint a picture of death row we all demons we all demons we all [ __ ] up and and you know when people see the interviews and they they comments one thing they say I never blame myself I'm putting myself first because I [ __ ] up and then do what I had to do with you I should have had sugar in order and Kevin in order when bunchy came and everybody else got there and we'd have fixed that and clean that [ __ ] up at the beginning instead of letting it ride the way it did and by not doing that sure was allowed to use us with his money and we was easy influenced because a lot of us didn't have money like that and couldn't make money that way one thing about Sugar's shouldn't tell me as a man I need you to go and do won't [ __ ] you you do it we ain't getting down like that you do it not if you do it I come with you but if you don't do it why the [ __ ] would I do it so me and she had that understanding so should know he couldn't use me like that so if you can't use me like that now you're talking to all my friends my homies yeah that's why I was speaking a loyalty the loyalty should alive with me I broke bread with every last one of you catch on this on this thing here we haven't been in cars and trenches together every last one of you cats here come on cat that y'all never dealt with a known and and you say [ __ ] me for so the loyalty was shot as soon as they seen that paper yeah it was over with and and I should have left sooner but I still wanted to pay for and I let you get away with a lot of [ __ ] that was going on because shook said I got some point you come to the office and on it was okay yeah go up there get a check and then this situation is going already no shouldn't let's address the situation in front of the homies and then everybody can see you for what you is running your [ __ ] mouth and that one that's this family didn't happen well mob James I think it's a very powerful story that you told and you know although you did have a lot of losses yeah here you are alive right now you have children or alive and healthy you have grandchildren who are alive and healthy you have a wife you have siblings your father still alive no no what you do have a lot of family yeah you know and friends and so forth and that is something to be very thankful for yeah because you could have gone the route of a lot of your a lot of your homies and you know I think that what you said is going to influence people in a positive direction also and you know I can't wait to read the book yeah it does we doing that thanking and it's coming I just my own thing is that everybody understand you know a lot of people is making money off the Tupac thing to park was killed by one man this this guy and Tupac will still be alive if [ __ ] wouldn't happen if she would have had more control if I came to blame Reggie but he should have had more than one man on that artist this man is is a diamond in a rough with with with with catch does not work 500 bucks $1000 $10,000 should I say yeah I mean Tupac went down as what most people would say is the greatest rapper of all time and in fact you know because of the revolutionary spirit and the contents you could go to any country in the world you can go to Jamaica you could go to South America and there's murals because he was the face of the revolution yeah you know and yeah and he we lost him from one man over a fight over I over a fistfight essentially he hit a man that he had no business touching it was not his fight and all these guys be talking and saying that is this and that Tupac should have been escorted out the door into the car and driving away when they was whooping his ass now a Lando probably could understood wouldn't accepted that ass woman because he knows that's bonafide ass [ __ ] whooping on my ass here right catch him in Compton now Tupac take off him it's a number the rapper this how he looking at it in looking at him like no no gangbang so I got get this fool I go back home and they say Tupac beat me up I can't show my face in the hood no more so he did what do you have to do it's tragic it's tragic it's tragic Bob James I appreciate you coming in and telling your story okay okay and I don't cigarette my condolences to all your losses and yeah you know congratulations on your children your grandchildren yeah I love them to death yes sir let me go I gotta go smoke a cigarette

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Length: 122min 56sec (7376 seconds)

Published: Thu Feb 21 2019