Lucchese Mafia Hitman Frankie Pasqua Tells His Violent Life Story (Full Interview)

okay here we go we have frankie pasqua former hitman for the lucchese crime family welcome to vlad tv how are you vlad very well thank you for joining us today i appreciate being asked well let's go ahead and get into your whole story this is your first time here so you were born of staten island yes i was 1979 saint vincent's hospital okay and you're actually a third generation mobster i guess is how you would describe it i was never made so i don't know if you want to call me a mobster an associate i don't get into the semantics i was in the life since i'm 14. okay fair enough and so let's go ahead and start with the whole family structure now your grandfather was actually a maid man yeah my grandfather was uh you know the real deal he was under frankie lucasio he was made into his crew um gambinos my father and pretty much all my uncles were associates to the gambinos this was going on for years um along the way an uncle of mine uh flipped and went into witness protection and this made it so that my father was uh persona non grata who was not going to get straightened out by the gambinos so he waited as long as he could and got himself moved over to the lucasies which unfortunately is where i ended up there with him got it and your grandfather who was uh frank pasqua the first yeah yeah you're they called him either big frank or frankie wilbur those were his nicknames and you know he was a gentleman and unfortunately i didn't get to have much of a relationship with him because while my father he went to prison with my father in 81 along with most of the guys in our family and um my mother put her foot down she did not want me to have any contact with him um along the way somehow she had asked for some money evidently what i was told by my aunts and uncles she asked for five thousand dollars to buy me a a computer when i was three years old and um he refused to give it to her because he didn't have it he just got out of prison himself and then she said that uh we were no longer allowed to see him because he didn't have money to give her and my father went along with it instead of allowing me to have a relationship with my grandfather and in the long run i i missed that i wish i would have had that relationship well your grandfather uh you know frank frank pasqua the first aka big frank uh like you mentioned he was a he was a soldier for the gambino family yes and and he was actually involved in the heroin trade in new york and chicago right um supposedly you know this is a long time before me supposedly he had um a very large hand in the go between of chicago and new york it's not something anyone ever broke down to me to be honest with you i read it the same way you did on uh between the internet and pacer where you could see you know anyone who wants to see what really goes on they go on pacer and it's a basically a google for court cases and so i i saw a lot of things on there when i was in prison and um that's when i found out that my grandfather was you know kind of very consequential to the trade between chicago and here well from my research he was actually involved in the french connection you heard about that as well yes and um basically my my father's indictment with my cousin donnie and all of them that was after the pizza connection but it was from what i learned it was the same connection it was the same pipeline that the drugs were coming through um with the dopes coming through and you know there's pacer court documents of the rat on that case recording my mom on the phone with him basically she was i guess a a very important part of that also they were selling heroin through the the staten island home that i grew up in and that's the home that got raided and um it's one of the reasons that it was so terrible when my dad and my mom were my my father felt that i was bringing heat on him and he started trying to get me put in prison and um for them to have had my house rated when i was three years old for dealing drugs through it and then wrapped me out for dealing drugs um was uh probably one of the most heinous things that's happened to me in my life well and we'll get into that part of the story i'm just kind of setting up the timeline now because the french connection it was uh it was a heroin smuggling ring where it started in indochina it went through turkey and then to france and then into the u.s or canada and i guess the operation started back in the 30s it reached its peak in the 60s and it was bringing the majority of the heroin into the united states yeah i saw somewhere on there that it was like up to 80 percent of what was coming in was coming through that connection and i was amazed by it i mean things like that don't happen anymore you get caught right away yeah i mean 80 percent of the heroin into the entire country is is mind-blowing and back then heroin was sort of like the drug of choice this is before cocaine really some reason it was socially acceptable to amongst wise guys to sell that and work with that cocaine was frowned upon yeah right and you know in 1971 there was actually a film called the french connection which starred uh gene gene hackman's popeye doyle yeah it was a big film yeah it was actually i think it won an oscar or something like that uh so you know it kind of just shows how big of an operation your grandfather was involved in no he was an instrumental guy and um frankie lacassio obviously was an underboss so his captain was a very important guy i was um kept away from him okay and then your father kind of followed your grandfather's footsteps and he became an enforcer for the gambinos yeah i'll tell you um everything i've heard of my father when he was younger before basically i met him he was a real real deal gangster you know and he you know he put in work i've i've been in prison with people who are close to me in the crime family and you know you don't really talk about bodies but i've had people come to me who i'm close with and tell me that i should respect my father a lot for all the work he put in in the 70s and 80s very early 80s before he went away so i knew firsthand that uh you know these guys were killers they were real gangsters and uh obviously they didn't go harassing civilians these were guys that were in the life and it was such a difference from the guy i met once he was kind of broken by that bit he did he did nine years and um he wasn't supported very much by my mom and she made it very hard on him i mean we went six years without visiting him and uh for through that he was not willing to continue being the gangster he was you know i i can't blame him for it just i blame him for sticking a knife in my back um to keep me from being who i was but uh i guess he just couldn't go back he couldn't do more time uh okay so your father was working for the gambinos yeah and i guess he was he was going to be made uh from what i mean but then your uncle ended up flipping right my uncle richard flipped and told on uh arnold schwarzeeri and uh his cousin fonzie and at the time he was the acting boss so um basically arnold said that my father was never getting straightened out and every time he got put up arnold would knock him down and make sure that he didn't get straightened out you know my father should have been straightened out a long time ago and he ended up waiting until he was basically 60 years old to get straightened out by the luches when the work he put in was for the gambinos in the 70s so he caught a raw deal and uh you know instead of sticking around and telling oh listen i'll prove myself to you give me all the work you want i'll do it he decided that he wanted to jump ship and go over to lucasy and that's where i got stuck with these people okay so your dad moves over to the luchaz he eventually gets made on that side yeah in 2012 2012. it's quite a while they made him so you're growing up in this family yeah and at what point do you realize that your dad and your grandfather are gangsters well i'll tell you it was always very evident we never talk about it whenever anyone talked about why my grandfather or father went to jail the first thing that was said was oh they went to jail for illegal gambling they had uh you know bookie operations meanwhile we all went to jail for for heroin trafficking and uh you know murders and stuff you know but that wasn't talked about it was just an illegal gambling operation and the government screwed them i remember when i was young i mean real young like seven or eight i had a t-shirt on that had the american flag on it at a barbecue in my backyard and um there were some wise guys and they said hey go take that t-shirt off what put it on inside out because [ __ ] america we don't believe in the american flag they screw up people over you know so i was brainwashed by this because i believed it these are people i loved and respected at the end of the day i found out they were getting screwed over because what they were doing you know got it okay so here you are growing up in this uh in this household and then right around 14 years old is when you start kind of associating i started getting a little more involved guys but you know it was it was mostly legit stuff you know like i would go to this arcade in my neighborhood and across the street from the arcade was a strip club it dated in open until night time but during the day it was like the social club where people played cards so i knew i would go to the arcade with uh a couple of dollars and quarters when i ran out of them i knew i could go hang out in front of the club and those guys would send me for a pack of cigarettes and give me a five dollar bill or hey go pick up some newspapers and i get a you know a ten dollar bill for doing that so it was um it wasn't like at 14 they had me breaking legs at 14 i was riding my bicycle to go pick up cigarettes and um ultimately you get brought in and they start talking to you and making you feel good about yourself when you don't feel good about yourself when your dad's in jail all the other kids have more you know family members at the football games um nicer cars because your dad's in jail he's not earning right now you're maybe a little hard on money you know and now there's these guys that are putting a couple dollars in your pocket talking to you about telling you stories about your dad and your grandfather and saying hey when you grow up you're gonna run the neighborhood and you start to feel indoctrinated and that's what it was with me okay so you graduate high school you go to college at uh buffalo state yeah and you're actually pre-med when you get there um i was a bright kid but uh as my father used to say i was too smart for my own good i guess they told me um i just um had all these ideas and as most young people i figured that i could beat everybody at the game of life and um i ended up not doing what i should have been doing in school i wasn't there very long at all and um there was a wise guy well he wasn't a wise guy yet there was a connected guy in the neighborhood and he had a a nightclub and i was 16 at the time i first started bouncing for him i've i've always been a big guy like right now you can't tell because of kovi the gyms were closed i let it slip a little bit but at the time i was like 275 you know big muscular guys so i was working as a bouncer as a manager things like that and so i got next to this bonanno associate who ultimately ended up becoming a captain with them and um before i could make my way with that family my father shut that down he put in a beef he didn't want me working with the bananas i was supposed to be with the luchaz and ultimately i would have to wait until he got made before i got made and uh i don't know if that was his total agenda it's not like he ever said you're not getting made till i do but it seemed like that and that's how it was related especially from the man that i'm talking about the guy i was working for he says oh your dad's not gonna let you stay with us until he gets straightened out okay so you dropped out of school at one point and then is that when the mafia thing became a full-time once i was once i was through the lucasies we had a connection with local 79 mason tenders union and um so i had a union job it wasn't no show we had to go to work and you know it wasn't we didn't work the way everyone else did but we had to go to work and everything and i was making a decent living and getting my health insurance through that union and then also i was running a nightclub for a banana associate well by then he was made and um so i was making you know you're a kid you think it's a lot of money i was making fifteen hundred two thousand a week running the nightclub then another eight hundred to a thousand a week with this you know uh construction and nobody could tell me anything i didn't wanna hear from anyone you know i thought i knew it all but then at one point you actually started uh to run a prostitution ring yeah um probably like 19 i started working directly next door at lace gentlemen's club um i was a day um daytime security and then i was working there until i was about 21 is when i caught a case next door there was um this limo driver was shaking down he was like a you know want to be gangster he wasn't a wannabe he had a little crew you know this black guy he had a bunch of guys that were you know tough guys with him and he was shaking down one of our managers and um ultimately he was at the club one night that i wasn't working i was there and i heard them call my father and say hey you got to come here and take care of this guy once i heard that call in the office i just went outside and crippled the guy you know uh broke his eye socket um he was blinded in one eye he ended up suing the club and i think there was like a 300 000 settlement his name was ilo this limo driver he was shaking down uh this guy fat joe he was a manager for us so i figure i'm going to get a pat on the back for taking care of the problem instead i get in trouble for it because my father instead of taking my back throws me under the bus and says oh i didn't tell him to do any of that so they went and hid me at vips which is on 20th street between 5th and 6th we had a we had a partnership with the albanians there you know some really tough real gangsters these albanians you know not like the guys i was working for the guys i was working for pretend to be gangsters these albanians were gangsters you know and uh because they're first generation and you know they're coming up hard in the street us we're all fourth fifth generation these guys were soft i was working for and um we had uh you know a black book operation over there i had some high profile clients um augustus bush from anheuser-busch uh was one of our clients over there a-rod alex rodriguez was one of our clients over there he's absolutely in love with um bodybuilder females we had this uh stripper named stella she was a professional bodybuilder and uh he had a relationship with her for a couple years when he was in texas playing for the rangers and um she actually passed away while she was working for us and i could tell he really loved her because he was he broke down in tears when it happened um we had a a bunch of high-profile clients over there you know fortune 500 companies cc ceos and um basically we had the upstairs was for you know the prostitution ring that we had which i did the protection and basically the meet and greets you know i would help finesse the customers make sure they felt good about spending 30 000 in a night you know and um so that went on at vips and that's when i became a little more involved with the family when at that point since i was like a pivotal part of this thing that was going on i guess i started to get a little more recognition well at one point you actually started doing protection for the banana drug operation oh yeah yeah um i had a very dear friend who i you know i had known since kindergarten and i was close friends with him who went to high school together uh and he was one of the bigger drug dealers for the bananas but the thing was he was um he was a he was a businessman he was a drug dealer he was not a gangster he was a very nice kid um he wasn't a tough guy so he had a target on his back and every stick up kid from brooklyn to staten island was robbing him so ultimately around 2002 is when he came to me and i moved his operation into one of the homes that i owned at the time and um then he stopped getting robbed so uh he actually from one of the robberies he ended up getting arrested even though he was the one that was robbed they uh had him taped to a chair for hours they arrested him and in order to keep him from you know going to prison you know i turned him in my wife and i drove him to court we figured we'd bail him out later and it turned out they were doing the lineup and so he called me from the desk of a cop i guess they let him take a make a phone call and he um insinuated to me that it'd be better if this guy didn't show up to the lineup so um you know i had to do some soul searching because it was dangerous you know he had just called me from a police station but uh i was friends with him for 19 years at that point you know so i it meant a lot to me to keep him out of jail and i'm pretty sure this guy doesn't badmouth me unless someone brings me up because i i'm after i cooperated i'm sure i put a shadow on his name from it i'm sure he doesn't badmouth me because i went and grabbed the informant's brother and took him for a ride while we made sure that that guy didn't show up to the the lineup so instead of him doing 12 years he got a probation and a fine okay so you essentially kidnapped the witness's brother yeah the day that they came back to the house after the robbery two days later they came back to the house i grabbed the driver and we were able to coerce him very roughly into telling us who was setting up these robberies on my friend because his life was in danger at this point you know they would they were it was just a matter of time until they killed him so once we found out who was setting him up then i was able to grab that guy and his brother was the witness so when we grabbed him he called his brother and the brother didn't show up to the lineup he was on probation and they were going to pull his parole actually so he went on the run to florida and violated his parole but ultimately it was either that or your brother ends up in a trunk of a car dead somewhere you know i wasn't listening to you uh sorry what were you saying i wasn't letting my friend go to jail over these scumbags who were robbing him at the time i was a very very loyal person i didn't realize i was being used as much as i was well when you say you grabbed the the driver and you you coerced them you know aka tortured them uh yeah i mean how do you how do you really torture somebody like explain the problem i'll tell you this particular process um i put i had my friend get in the driver's seat i got in the back seat and i put the driver in the front passenger seat behind me with me behind him and um he had a do-rag on so i had a roll of duct tape a knife and a pistol i uh i started cutting his face open and then just duct taping it closed because he was bleeding a lot so i would ask him and he didn't want to give up who had set my friend up so i cut his eyebrow off uh duct taped it closed pulled the durag over it tied it tight duct taped that then i started strangling him with the um the seat belt until he was about to pass out and then ultimately he would well from from me strangling him strangling him got me more than cutting him and then he told us and um i kicked him out of the moving car we were doing about 20 miles an hour i kicked him out of the car and that broke his leg and that's why the police ever found him because he had to get an ambulance on the side of the highway but ultimately he told him i'm not cooperating and he went back to california and he kept his mouth shut okay so at that point did you start to kind of get the attention of the lucasies um not so much my uh father my father knew what had happened and i ultimately i went on the lamb i mean my prints were all over the guns that they found i uh i was hiding but i was only hiding right in queens you know i had a friend in queens i was staying with and um my father never reported this like hey look at what my son's doing he kept it hidden he didn't want me getting any spotlight you know he didn't want me coming up through the ranks while he you know they were actively putting his name up to get made and he was getting knocked down because the only when he got made it was related to me by one of the guys in his crew the only way they were able to make him was that arnold happened to be doing a pro violation so arnold was very pissed off actually i was with arnold's cousin is um a very old guy his names are ernie boy abamante oreste is his first name i was with him in mdc and he told me that his cousin was very pissed off when he found out they straightened my father out behind his back while he was in prison so that's what i was you know my i'm not gonna say my father didn't deserve it he very much deserved to get it by that point but uh ernie boy ernie boy had nothing against my father he said my father should have got it a long time ago but ultimately his cousin who was the acting boss at one point was mad that they did it behind his back so my father definitely wasn't gonna start scoring me points with the crew and worry about me getting straightened out before him you know well at one point you actually started taking hits well um i was taking hits there's a different types of hits you know when i was in prison i let it be known you know i had a family i had kids i had a wife i wanted to provide for so i sold drugs in prison my whole life i i i behave in prison just like i do on the street as a gangster so i would have people either strippers that worked for me or hookers i would have different people anyone i could get to bring me drugs in there and i sell them in there i also let it be known if there's anyone in here that you need stabbed up cut up anything you need done i'll do in here so i took a hit for um alphonse trucco that my friend gene and i handled together for this guy that ratted on one of his weed dealers this guy sean dunn got ratted on by this italian kid uh sal giolando and so gene and i took that hit and uh you know i i chopped his face up he got a couple hundred stitches maybe and um you know we didn't kill him or anything let him go and then another time you know uh some people who i had love for at one point i'm sure don't love me anymore but i'm gonna give them the respect not to mention their names right now they wanted this kid chris kagnada crippled in attica i was in attica state prison and uh i caught the kid kagnata and i busted his face up and i broke both of his thumbs okay was this the hell's angels guy no no that's something else once i was out and i had already once i had already been flipped on by my father my father added on me he had uh other family members make phone calls i had i heard a recording that the police he was talking to the police about getting me arrested my own father so um once that happened i flipped and started wearing a wire well the wire while i was in prison while the wire while i was in the street i will the wire to visit other wise guys that were in prison i'm not ashamed of it if anyone has something to say about it they better be better than me if they're gonna say it to my face um so what happened was a wise guy in my dad's crew with the same captain wanted this hell's angel um killed in attica and he came to me he called me told me to visit him i visited him in brooklyn house detention and he asked me to have this guy killed in attica so ultimately that guy's life was saved through the work that i did um also they wanted me to kill the uh acting boss of the bananas sky mikey mancuso mikey the nose and that was another hit that was caught on the on the wire of them asking me to do this there was a situation with a tuna can um yeah yeah um there was when you're in jail you make a knife out anything you can so um i can't tell you how many times i've opened the can and then use the top to cut somebody's face open i i sound like a horrendous individual when i talk like this but uh ultimately that's the life you live and um yeah the guy sal giolando who ratted on alphonse's weed dealer i uh the knife that the carter that i made to caught him was uh a tuna can well i mean typically when you're doing a hit uh for one of the mafia crews how much are they paying you or does it depend on who you don't get paid that's a you know i've read comments on other interviews i've done and there was this guy's claiming how oh how could he do a hit for ten thousand dollars because alfonso had told me he's gonna give me 10 grand for that uh that hit and this guy who obviously never talked to a wise guy in his life was talking about how uh you should get a quote that uh the going rates are quarter million dollars they don't pay anyone to do hits anymore what they do is they dangle a carrot in front of your face and they say they're going to straighten you out once you do it you either get straightened out or they come to you and say oh you got to do another one or say you're a go-to guy that they can trust and you're capable and you could handle things and you keep taking either hits or you know hits of violence maybe that aren't killing killings but they know they can come to you after a year or two they'll say hey look we got a sports page over here we'll give you a half sheet with this other guy and you'll make 50 on that you know so that's how you get paid you get paid down the road or maybe they'll say hey we'll give you a hundred thousand dollars for a half a point or one point and you can put it on the street for two and a half points you know that's ultimately how you get reimbursed for your work through earns that they'll throw you away or getting straightened out right i think when i interviewed uh michael franzis uh he essentially said the same thing he said that in italian gangs uh you don't get paid for hits like there's something in other in other gangs like you know when you look at like the the crips or the bloods or whatever there's usually like a price tag associated with it but with the italians it's it's not a it's different you do this because it's a lifestyle and you have to be willing to be there for your family and ultimately you get the recognition and you get you're made or an urn gets thrown your way you know there was this hit that um my friend gene and i went on for uh my aunt married this guy who uh at the time was kind of using us lying to us um portraying himself as someone he wasn't and had led me and gene to believe that he could get gene taken in with the genovese and get him straightened out over there and so uh this guy that was working with him he had had a falling out with and he asked me and gene to go kill him and uh gene and i we laid up on him for three nights you know i mean literally i was i was laying down in the grass in a rainstorm between his two garages in his backyard with a silence 380 for three nights and ultimately gene decided to set off the house alarm to see if he would come out but when he set the house alarm off the guy didn't come outside he just started going to the windows turned on all the spotlights and called the cops so we uh we ended up missing him because uh it might have worked the alarm but the guy knew that he was marked so he wasn't coming outside and um that was another hit that was sent our way i don't even want to bring it up because i didn't do that i didn't i didn't accomplish it you know you don't want to bring up failures but it is what it is okay and then there's a situation with the leader of the purple gang michael maldish now i went through and actually did some research uh on these guys and this is a very a very interesting group of people so originally there's a purple gang in chicago during prohibition times and there's a crew in east harlem that basically named themselves after the chicago gang uh and this was essentially an organized crime crew that would work with all the different families but they weren't really they were almost a sixth family yeah yeah they're essentially going to become the sixth family uh at one point but they all got yeah right so so these guys were essentially known for killing and dismembering rivals they control the heroines you guys were heavy heavy hitters yeah this was back in the day when it wasn't forensics like there is now and when you wanted to kill somebody you got away with it back then and these guys these guys are heavy hitters um michael who was the hit victim on that mattie madonna wanted killed um he you know he was a killer he he put in plenty of work his brother joey who i'm very very i was very very close with um we spent a couple years in prison together and we spent plenty of time on the street together and um joey's supposedly i mean i'm not going by him what he told me i'm not repeating any of that what i'm saying is on right on the internet you can see they say 70 to 90 possibly 200 bodies so um these guys are very serious guys and joey was uh if joey was home no one would have had the balls to put a hit on mike but and and this is what something i really want to bring up about the mob there is no honor and they're cowards because this man joey maldish is a gentleman and he's a man and a half he took his 50 to life like a man and said [ __ ] it i'll go die in prison because i'm a stand-up guy and they decided to put a hit on his brother because he was in prison and couldn't defend him if mikey if joey was home they would have never even attempted anything on mike mike screwed up with a boss don't get me wrong but even that boss wouldn't have tried anything if joey was still home and i want to make that very clear none of these guys would have had the balls to do that if joey was still home well uh joseph coffey who is the yeah the former he's the piece of [ __ ] who actually put in the newspaper it's vermin killing vermin the day that the man got killed front page an article on a murder and and obviously you know my crew was involved with it they asked me to be a part of it but i had the utmost respect for the man and he was a friend i wasn't as close with him as i was with joey but it doesn't matter who you are there's no reason for a retired police officer to be calling you vermin on the day you're murdered in the newspaper well yeah and i mean before before that even happened i mean he spoke about the purple gang he called them a group of mad dog killers and they were they were 100 percent okay and the leader of the purple gang was michael melbourne back about the ship did you know personally yeah in fact i spent right next door in the strip club i spent plenty of nights with him there and also on vips he was a dear friend of ours he was i mean he was on record with the boss you know it's not like he was on record with just some wise guy you know he was around maddie his whole life he dealt heroin for matt and joey the napoli the underboss steve all of them like he was around the top guys in this family his brother joe was on record with the geneves so they really had their bases covered they had the lucasies which was like the number three in power and then they had the west side guys which are the number one in power the you know they're the cream of the crop and these guys really had their bases covered well uh michael meldish who uh joseph coffey called a called a stone cold killer he wasn't wrong but he was allegedly involved in more than 10 hits himself in the 70s and 80s he essentially terrorized new york city and whenever something would happen there wouldn't be any witnesses because everyone was so scared to testify against this guy yeah yeah because these guys well first of all they had a crew and their crew the guy mikey mancuso i mentioned who ended up being the acting boss of the bananas he was in the purple gang the guys who were in their gang with them ended up being bosses and captains not just wise guys they all ended up getting straightened out you know the mel dishes were part german so they couldn't get straightened out um but the work that they did turned people into bosses and captains and um they they their crew was full of all up-and-comers in the 70s and by the 80s and 90s these guys were the bosses and captains that were running everything they were very well connected okay so then at one point you were actually asked to do a hit on michael meldish the leader of the purple gang okay so when you were told this what did you think i mean when it was first brought up to me they just said mike i thought it was another mic and i didn't understand why they want to hit him because the guy had like terminal cancer and he was a very nice guy so then ultimately it became clarified to me that it was mikey maldish and um i met for i had just gotten home i had just done about five years just got home here i am i get grabbed by my father and taken to dinner with a captain obviously this is my chance to come up and then it has to be someone that i actually genuinely like and whose brother i love so i was conflicted but ultimately i knew that my father had no say in how this was going to go he was you know just a regular soldier i was a nobody i knew there was nothing i could do had had joey been home i would have trusted joey enough to go to him and say hey they're going to kill mike we better do something but i didn't have that relationship with mike i felt like if i went and told mike mike would have went to matt and said oh you told my nephew to kill me you know and he would have threw me under the bus uh i was i was 10 different kinds of scared anyone who wants to pretend that you know there's some tough guy there they could stand death in the face it's not like that it's one thing if you want to be a gangster don't have kids don't get married if you want to live like that maybe if i didn't have kids i would live like that but i had kids and i had been taken from them for years and i i was my back was against a wall and i was not gonna put myself in a position to get killed in a position to throw away the whole life that i had been living they were my livelihood so i had to go along with it and on top of it ultimately even after all these things i had blood family members and crime family members rat me out so that's when i ultimately made my decision to get out of that life the only way i knew how and i'll tell you um the government isn't your friend when you work for these people it's not like you know it looks like on tv like oh i got in trouble selling drugs or i got caught with a gun let me go call the agent and get it squashed it doesn't work like that you work for them you have a job they have a job the two of you have intersecting interests and that's what i had i went to them for help getting out of this life because i saw it was no longer the life that i thought it was i wanted to get my kids back they got wrapped up into the problem that i had that my father was riding on me and uh i did everything i could to be a father and a provider and an an upstanding citizen again and ultimately what they did for me i've spent the last year and a half getting bounced all over the place bounced from hotels to safe houses and uh they're very serious about the commitment they make to you and the commitment is your safety is our priority but that means i have to do if they say hey we're moving you somewhere i can't say hey i don't feel like moving as soon as i do that they say well then we're washing our hands of you so i've i don't live a very normal life right now even now a year after i'm out of prison getting bounced around and i'm getting set up in a lifestyle that i can be a regular blue collar working guy you know i don't get to see my kids as much as i would like now because of this but i could call them any time i want i could at least check on them okay i just want to talk about the you know the michael meldish so well according to you steve korea jr who was a little casey underboss no he wasn't the on the bus he was just the captain of my father's crew my father got made into his crew uh-huh okay so so who ordered this hit um from what i heard he had mentioned dad knows about it later on i found out that matt who was the acting boss ordered it and this trickled down to him okay and there are five guys that were involved in this hit there was teddy chris my father me um and those were the those were like the the boots on the ground that night but uh steve jr is the one who related it to my father and i and had steve been an actual leader instead of just his father's son who got made a captain because his daddy was the boss at one point things would have gone differently okay and what was the reason why they wanted him dead okay um ultimately what i was told that day was there's indictments coming down and we don't think he's gonna hold up i knew that was [ __ ] that was it my father had already told me before we went in the parking lot to talk about it we met at a restaurant and we went outside he says just agree to whatever he tells you and do not ask questions so i went outside and i kept my mouth shut when we left i started talking to my father about it a little more got relayed to me over the weeks like about a week after that which it turned out i heard two stories one of them from chris lyndonio that there was a hundred thousand dollar debt that uh mike wasn't paying back that turned out to be [ __ ] the story that i believe was relayed to me later on between what i've heard from my father and other guys in the crew mike had done a collection for maddie and when you do a street collection you get to keep 50 percent that's how it is in the street you owe someone five grand that guy comes to me he's not paying me you go see him i come see you i crack you a couple times you pay me to five grand i bring 2500 back to the other guy so what was relayed to me through guys then again i'm a nobody so it might not be true was that he did the collection and kept i think forty five thousand or fifty thousand of the hundred thousand and what they told me was matt said no you don't get to keep that anymore because now i'm the boss so if i was just a wise guy or a captain yeah you get to keep it but now i'm the boss you got to do that collection basically for way less and ultimately from what i was told was ultimately mike told him to go [ __ ] himself and then he said something even more disrespectful i don't even want to repeat it's not a phrase i say and uh he said something else to him and that evidently maddie had said you're a dead man to him in front of people and that basically once the boss tells you you're dead in front of other people he's got to deliver on that so that's how that was broken down to me while i was in mdc prison okay so describe the night when he gets killed um i was uh living on staten island i was fresh out of jail there was an arrangement the way that it was going to be set up was i feel the real reason that my father and i were even brought into this was to make him feel safe because you know he'd known us for years and he probably figured oh i'm safe it's frankie and his son i feel like i was more of uh there to rock him to sleep than to to do anything so what happened was my father picked me up at a friend's house i was staying with we drove to we drove here to where i am right now there's a parking garage next door we went and got the um we dropped our car off to somebody who brought us an older car with no gps and uh we drove that to the bronx and the way it was gonna be broken down was supposedly the it was set up with mike that we were gonna bring him 100 grams of dope to take to his distribution network have them test it see if they could work with it and then we'd bring kilos if they wanted it if that work was good enough for him so that night all i thought i was doing was going to pick up mike drive him downtown to pick up this hundred grams and uh then hear from him later on whether he wanted how much he wanted ultimately when we got there my father and i got in the car we walked down to where mike's house was and my when i got there we greeted him and my father said oh go back to the car and get the ipad because there's a where the map is in there where we're going i knew there was no ipad in the car because we went to trouble not to have a gps in the car so i didn't know what was going on but i wasn't gonna argue it i just went back to the car so i got in the car and i at that point now i told you i had been having problems with my father we've had some serious issues i had a couple urns that he basically lied to me about and squashed and at that point i didn't know that he was working to get me arrested but i knew we had some beeps going on before this so right away i started to think maybe i was the hit to be honest with you sent me back to a car by myself i'm unarmed to get an ipad that i know is not there so i got nervous i started looking at every mirror every window you know heart started pounding a little bit i figured i was gonna get shot and then i saw my father coming back to the call and he just got in to call me and said it's done i told him i said what the [ __ ] do you mean it's done and he goes like this that's one of the things my father does all the time he doesn't want to talk about something he puts his finger to his lips and he doesn't want you to talk he's always afraid of being listened to or something and uh we took we took it home from there and um ultimately that was the night that uh mike got hit and it turned out that this other guy you know we call him teddy but his name is terry caldwell it's a black guy who was very close friends with mike for years mike was actually driving him to chemotherapy for two years straight and he was the trigger man he pulled the trigger on mike and um and now chris was the driver chris antonio and the one of the things that was mentioned on the wire when i was talking to my father was the whole reason they have this case is because chris was so stupid they killed mike and then he called like literally within five minutes of the time of death he called maddie for a two-minute conversation on the phone log and it was just him saying it's done and so my father told me if chris didn't call matt well basically proud of himself that he got the hit done and dying to tell the boss it's done it wouldn't have pointed in our direction as much because at the time they were trying to deflect blame to the bananas because uh mike had had a beef with mikey nose mancuso and so they were trying to make it look like the banana like he ordered the hit but instead chris made that phone call and they put heat on little cases on us for hitting our own guy okay and they found the body uh in throgs neck in a lincoln and it was just a single gunshot wound to the head 22 to the back of the head yeah yeah and you know the police were essentially celebrating when they found out the news yeah yeah and uh they found them without a dollar in his pocket so obviously they you know mike always had a couple thousand on them so someone went in his pockets um and they were especially that guy coffee said some really horrendous things about mike on the day he was murdered okay so so you go and do that hit and then the situation with your father uh and your mother starts to really well not so much my mother i gotta believe my mother loves me i hope but uh you know she's doing what her father what her husband's telling her he's trying to get me off the street because i had this doctor shopping operation and uh an insurance scam you know um insurance fraud so i had several doctors writing for everyone i could get you know i had all my friends i was bringing to get scripts and we were you know making money that way and my father you know i report i reported this to my father because he's the wise guy that i'm around at this point you know i'm supposed to tell him what's going on so i tell him listen i got this thing going on i'm making really good money i could kick back five grand a month to steve so after a year that sixty thousand dollars if he sees i'm earning like this he'll straighten me out we can get this over with because i'm waiting for my button you know and um my father said oh no you can't do that i want you to stop doing it but that's how i was feeding my family and i was living good you know i was making good money i wasn't stopping it and it seemed to me like you know there was other things going on in the family at the time my grandmother had passed away my parents didn't like that the house was left under someone else's name that's neither here nor there it's a long story it upsets my my brothers who i you know i love and i know they hate me now but it upsets them when i bring this up so i'll try to keep it short ultimately my i gotta believe my father was making my mother make these calls on me and when i heard this recording i heard my mother and my aunt on the recording and i'm saying to myself wow wait until i tell my father about this and then i hear my father's voice on the recording telling the uh telling the officer that sometimes i come home and i burn my clothes and i'm covered in blood and i've been terrible since i got home from jail i'm an animal and that i'm a dangerous guy and i'm listening now to my this whole time i thought i was going to be telling my father this to get it straightened out and then now it's my father's voice telling him the same thing ratting me out they took uh my pill bottles that were all empty you know i had sold the pills i got them filled one day they were done the next and he showed the the cops the dea and acs the pill bottles were empty so they started an investigation to try to keep me from being around my children and this went so deep that i made the decision to call the feds and try to get some help getting out of the life getting my kids out of the situation they were in ultimately the feds don't trade you things it's not like they make a deal with you you you do the work that you do for them and hopefully at the end of this you start a fresh life and that's what i did they didn't do me any favors they didn't go get my kids out like at the time i thought they could but they don't do that you have to walk the straight and narrow do the right thing with them and start a fresh life when it's over okay so in terms of you deciding to cooperate with the feds um you know there's different accounts of this particular situation so i kind of want to address all these things and have you clear it up you know there was one quote i found where you said that while you were in prison they wanted you to kill uh the boss of the bonanno family that's when you decided to flip well that's when i decided to contact them again now mind you in 2013 when this first happened when i found them ratting on me i called the feds i had a number from an agent who had been trying to flip me for a while i contacted them i told them i had information on the meldish murder they i asked them to help me get my kids out of my parents custody they told me they can't do things like that that i have to tell them everything and then see what i could get so i dumped that phone and never called them again now i moved on went through the regular channels to get my kids out which worked out was doing business i moved to another state was doing business there then i got arrested i still didn't call the feds right away was facing my case down there i was gonna do about two years it was no big deal then they did a written habeas corpus and and shot me up uh to new york as a on a federal hold threw me in mdc so i figured they were gonna try to come at me with a case while i'm sitting there for two months i meet up with other wise guys i know and they offered me this meldish hit oh i don't know the [ __ ] they offered me the mikey mancuso hit and then i say to myself wow i have something right now that i can leverage right at this moment to screw over the people that i hate and get myself out of this life and that's when i called my lawyer said get in touch with the u.s attorney if they could get a wire to me i could get a hit that's being put on the boss of a banana family excuse me right now and that's what i did well there's another report that said that you flipped after getting arrested for selling heroin i was selling heroin in mississippi hadn't but that's not when i flipped i got pinched down there i was facing a drug case for it was it was less than three or four grams they caught me with while i'm in jail fighting that case i was there maybe four or five weeks next thing i know i get woken up at six o'clock in the morning and put on a plane and flown up to new york under an assumed name because i had already contacted them so when i moved when they put me in putnam county jail i was under an alias i did not get what they were offering me it just didn't seem like it was worth like i could just go do the two years so then i got in trouble in putnam county selling drugs in jail again now i was facing maybe seven seven years six seven years and at least i was gonna get to do it in the fed system close to new york which was better for me they put me in mdc while i'm in mdc they offered me this hit and that's when i called the us attorney and decided to work with them now you know we talked about throughout your career that you were selling drugs but yeah were you actually using drugs yourself as well listen i partied my whole life when i was younger i was running strip clubs i love partying i i'm embarrassed to say it i hope my kids don't see this but when i was young and stupid i did drugs drank partied with strippers that was my lifestyle was i ever some junkie breaking into people's houses and robbing them no it was not my lifestyle i didn't allow that in my life i stayed sharp enough but saturday at 5am i was in sound factory you know that was it yeah so in 2015 you told the feds that it was your father that killed uh meldish while you stood a few feet away no but then later i was back in the car i was back in the car and at that time i was under the impression that my father had pulled the trigger because i didn't see any other people there it wasn't until later on i realized i was in jail with chris i realized that my father didn't pull the trigger on okay cause then they're saying that later on you admitted that you made up that story and now you claim yeah never did that no i never admitted i made up anything because i would have been if i ever told them i made something up my whole case got thrown out i would have got life it doesn't work like that you if you make stuff up and lie to them i never lied to these people because i was scared to death of now being a rat and still having to go do life in prison with a target on my back that never happened right because at one point you know this this hit was being uh tied to korea and as he's going through his case um you know you're you're one of the principal witnesses in it and you know for example the defense attorney you know claimed that you were a quote unquote stone cold junkie who routinely beat uh your wife in front of your children and also physically abusive to your mom well if you were a defense attorney how would you paint me as an upstanding citizen or all that [ __ ] there you have it just like it's very similar my whole life we've known you could tell jerry capisi anything if you're a wise guy he'll write it on he'll put it in the newspaper for you and that's what he does so you hear all these things it's being shaded from a crew i put i put away i put them all away the captain didn't handle his business the right way and i put him in prison for it so you think that what do you think they're saying about me right because ultimately in august of 2020 uh creole was sentenced to life in prison for murder well that was that was the father but the son too why would why first of all the father said to his son you're not taking any plea agreements those are rap plea agreements because you got to allocute we're all going to go to prison together the son when he wanted to get made he went to his father and his father made him right but he wanted to be a captain his father made him a captain too right but then when his father said now it's time to go to prison he said sorry dad i'm not doing that with you right you could ask daddy for whatever you want when times are good but when daddy said let's go stand up like men together he went took a plea took 13 years i don't know many people that play out to 13 years if they didn't do what the witness said so obviously he was scared enough for what i had to say yeah and you know like you mentioned earlier in the interview you you started wearing a wire yeah and you wore a wire uh with your own father yeah i only i only wish i would have got half the stuff that i knew but i it's very nerve-wracking when you're in a situation like that so i'm not asking questions to make people suspicious so i end up getting shot i had to walk a certain line of getting what i can without getting myself killed in the process right and you also wore a wire on another high-ranking mafia guys uh as well as the guys that are involved in the hit yeah uh i mean when when you look at wearing a wire and you see like you know movies like donnie brasco that's set in the in the 70s you know you have an actual wire recorder and whatever else when you're talking about later on during your era what does a wire mean like how do they wire you up uh i'll uh i i don't want to you know give up their secrets but uh ultimately what i'll tell you is it's it's about the size of a fingernail right and um you could put it anywhere they have ones that could go anywhere i'm not gonna give up there and and god forbid some guy who's wearing a wire today gets killed because of something i say on this interview you know so i'm not gonna say too much they're not finding them it's not gonna happen okay so so getting patted down or frisked just doesn't matter it doesn't matter they go over you with a magnetron uh magnometer it's not gonna beep it's it's not like that okay so for example like the glasses i'm wearing right now you could stick a wire in that you know a recording device and then that's it i'm sure they could i haven't seen any glasses with wires in them but i'm sure they could i'm sure they could okay uh i mean were you really nervous though i mean i guess they can't really find it but still you're recording somebody you know that the feds are listening i mean as you're going through well here's the thing i was most worried about was a dirty fed giving me up that's what i was really worried about because we had dirty cops work for us my whole life so um you know the guy that i mentioned earlier um that wanted uh me and gene to do that hit for him uh a cop in the organized crime task force basically told everyone that he was a rat and it was in the newspaper and then the fed that i was working for told me oh no i know for a fact your uncle's a rat because the the organized crime task force officer told me he works for me right and at one point the feds actually relocated you to madison uh no uh i relocated myself there i moved down there i had friends that were living down there i i heard that they had had only two strip clubs in the whole state i went down there and tried to buy into a piece of a strip club there i ended up working for some people there at some strip clubs building the rapport to see if they trusted me to work for them to buy in before that happened i got pinched for selling drugs they didn't relocate me there i didn't work for them there i went down there started trying to build a new life at that point i had already told them that's when i called them and said hey i have information on the meldish murder can you help me with this dea case that my my father's trying to get me on and the acs case with my kids they told me sorry we don't do things like that we can't just squash cases for you which is the truth they don't squash cases for you that's when i threw that telephone away never called them again moved down there took some of the money i had started earning more money selling drugs and was trying to buy a strip club down there to just start my own life without ratting on everybody but ultimately i got pinched there okay got it and ultimately with all the cooperation you did you end up getting five years um for the cases that i had i think i did 36 months for those drug cases you know but but now you got to remember if i go to they do something that's called a proffer you go there and you ought to tell them every crime you've ever committed they can only charge you with things that they had evidence of before you ratted on yourself so i didn't do what a lot of these guys do i like to think i'm a little smarter than some people i wasn't going to go there and keep secrets from them i was hoping they didn't have a lot of information on me already because i had been in prison for a while so i told them everything i ever did so when it came if you look at my proffer agreement and you look at my court case excuse me it looks like i got this i did a total of six years for this murder two conspiracies to murder but ultimately they didn't have me for any of that so they couldn't give me time for that because i gave them that i they can't charge me with stuff i'm giving them on me unless they had it before so i told them everything and the only the only things they could charge me with was selling drugs in jail and selling drugs down in mississippi because those are the things they caught me for so my lawyer told me i didn't tell i had a great lawyer he said frank don't hide anything from them because five years from now it'll bite you in the ass and you'll end up doing life for it so i told them everything okay i mean so ultimately you're able to walk away from you know the michael meldish murder without having to do life in prison which potentially you would have gotten my my minimum on that was 480 months also there's something else i want to mention because on one of the other interviews i did i said i pled out to 10 000 kilos and everyone was like oh that's a crazy number we don't believe it the way that the federal drug system works is whatever drug you sell cocaine crack heroin it gets translated into pounds of weed i know this sounds insane but anyone can look it up so all the drugs i sold amounted to they they translated into pounds of weed so i ended up pleading out to a few thousand kilos of weed not heroin because that's how the the sentencing guidelines go anyone who's been on these cases knows that got it in 480 months that's 40 years yeah 480 months okay but luckily i gave it to them they didn't have me if i would have waited longer someone would have told on me and i would have done that time i mean ultimately in terms of the people that you recorded cooperated against you know you were taking the stand as well ultimately they didn't need me to because the only person i had to testify against was steve created junior and i figured he was going to stand tall with his father and you know joey dinapoli and maddie madonna like he was supposed to but instead he took a plea because he didn't want me to take the stand on him got it i mean in terms of all the people that you did cooperate against how many years in total did all these people get if you kind of mush them and they gave out i mean i got i got two guys life sentences you know do i feel great about it no do i really give a [ __ ] no because one of them was chris lyndonio i never liked the guy of course i played him a little bit because i needed him to to run his mouth on the warrior which he was more than happy to do he also said that his captain was uh wasn't you know was a nobody you know he talked [ __ ] about steve jr um he also said that frank out to marry the guy who owned the clubs that we worked at you know that he was [ __ ] his own daughter-in-law which he was he ended up marrying his daughter-in-law after his son died of aids all that shit's on the wire because he wanted to run his mouth i didn't say hey tell me about frank altamari [ __ ] his his daughter-in-law and marrying her i didn't say that he started running his mouth about it well you got out of prison in march of 2020 yeah and now you're being relocated by the fbi and kind of moved around also the program is there i'm okay for the program still is there a price on your head it is maybe there is i don't know what no one sent me an email i don't know they didn't try to get me to hit myself uh i have no idea do i live in fear no am i mindful of my actions yeah also it happened to work out that i got released from prison in the middle of a [ __ ] pandemic and it sucks because the gyms are closed you know it's not like that could go get a job because everything's closed so luckily i'm you know everyone was locked in anyway we just recently you know it started easing up a little bit and hopefully this new variant doesn't cause it to lock down again because they only just reopened their gyms and i only just started trying to live a normal life again well you grew up in this culture you know that goes back three generations yeah uh my friend jean and johnny light and all the things that they uh also grew up in right but you know you grew up in this family you know you're a third generation gangster and in this life the worst thing you could be is a wrap yeah and i'm gonna tell you it wears on me it wears on me i uh you know look here's the thing there for the the names i'm mentioning that you hear me calling scumbags for every one of them there's a there's a guy i love too you know and um i won't say the man's name because there's a guy who is a father to me and when i ultimately put the beef in against my father adding on me it was that guy's captain who put the beef in for me who he passed away i'll mention his name don tracello he passed away i loved that guy you know the the friend of his that i was close with who raised me he was a real father of me not like my father i love him dearly i didn't do anything to get him in trouble i had nothing to do with the case he caught i hate that hill that he most like he's a stand-up guy most likely he'll hate me forever and that hurts me because i love him dearly he lost his son and he treated me like a son and i feel terrible for the way he must feel about me now i had to cut bait and i had to make a decision for my kids and my future and i only hope one day he forgives me for it but i don't expect him to because he's he's a real stand-up guy i don't fault him for it well do you consider yourself a rat um you know what how am i gonna sit here and say i'm not when i did these things but i'll tell you this much maybe i'm a rat with an excuse i got ratted on by a guy i was reporting up to who i was on record with got ratted on by him and he was my father he was my biological father and he put me in a position to do i heard him tell a cop can't you take him away for at least 10 years these these things we told you should get them at least 10 years i heard my father say that i was stabbed in prison twice my father tried to send me back there to get killed so i i personally believe most people would have done what i did if it was like the 60s or 70s they would have killed them you know like that's back when murders were easy a gangster would said oh i found him i heard him ratting on me i'm going to kill him that's not something i wasn't going to go do life in prison for him instead i broke ties with it and this was the only way i could do it well when you look at the whole concept of snitching or ratting or whatever you want to say cooperating uh you know this is something that is so inherent in criminal organizations whether it's the mafia the crips the you know the latin kings yeah i was with uh 69 however yeah however you want to you know whatever crew there is anywhere in the world there's a whole thing about not telling not cooperating but but ultimately when you look at what happens on a larger scale basis is that you have these bosses who tell everyone beneath them not to cooperate you never want to do this and so forth but most times when the bosses get pinched they'll usually cooperate and cooperate too yeah that happens now yeah joel messina they'll usually cooperate and everyone you know below them you know get gets gets destroyed well i gotta say one thing all bosses didn't uh maddie madonna steve cria senior joey dinapoli those guys on the case they went in there heads held high steve crea senior is a man and a half and so is maddie they went in there they knew they were getting life they knew they were in their 80s they went in there and they took it on the chin went to trial didn't allocute they did what they were supposed to do i got to hand it to them i got to give them that mattie did 27 years in the past and when he came home and they made him acting boss now you got to remember when you look at this guy you see he's got eyes like a shark anyone he looks at he's looking at them to do their 27 years now he says to himself hey i spent 27 years inside here's this young kid he's gonna have to go do his well now he's gonna do his 27 for me and he start chris doing a hit chris got life do you think matt feels bad for chris no matt's wife was talking to the agent who arrested chris in the courtroom the way he sees it is uh frank lucas and nikki barnes ratted on me and i went and did 25 27 years all the guys in my crew got to go do their 27 years now too and that's they look at you and they see a number over your head of money they can make from you or years they can make you do for them and that's all they care about right and ultimately let's just say that you don't cooperate you do your years yeah uh are you really compensated for all the time you did absolutely not and now let me tell you something else look who goes on the the actual baseball family vic musso he's in jail with a guy he does like 10 years with a guy in a prison they're doing when you do 10 years together you become more than brothers and this young guy italian guy he's on record with vic and he sent him home and he told them this is what i want you to do and this is the boss he told steve kriya senior and he told maddie i want you to give this kid a hundred and thousand a hundred thousand dollars and i want you to straighten him out immediately i want him made the kid came home he wasn't a kid he was a middle-aged man older than me they gave him five grand and told him the books of clothes were not making you so the boss sent home the message make him and give him a hundred thousand dollars you give him five grand and tell him then tell him it's not happening with the button so yeah when are you gonna if if that guy got screwed what so what are they gonna do to someone like me i didn't do 10 years with the boss so this is what it is there is no recompense there is no getting what you have coming to you in a good way they just stab me in the back well ultimately you know the mafia and his heyday in the 60s and 70s they did write that it was just well it was a very different world running like you said you can get away with murders you can get away with shakedowns there was no cell phones everywhere there's no cameras you can't triangulate you know your cell phone and figure out where you are uh you know uh people weren't you know there's no social media where a million people will jump on a case and try to figure it out and report it to the authorities i mean realistically can you still have a mafia in 2000 21. listen i'll i'll i'll mention this again right now you'll always find some impressionable kid in his late teens to mid-20s who you could trick into killing someone for you or doing crimes for you but right and because it's glorified on tv and in the movies but the movies that these kids are going to the movies to watch are written about events that took place in the 50s and 60s but when they make the movie they said it in 2010 and it's modern but it doesn't exist now the stories that they're making these movies about took place in the heyday when you could have a mob when there wasn't the ricoh law with the draconian sentencing guidelines that everyone's flipping back then you got five years you went and did your five years you came home you caught another five years when did you five years there wasn't lifetime uh persistent predicates and three strike rules back then you did your crimes and you did your time so we're watching movies right now you watch the wire and you watch these shows it's about [ __ ] that happened in the 60s so kids are are getting it in their heads that they want to be that person who doesn't exist anymore and they're getting caught up out there then they're back to the wall and they're saying hey i know this guy three four years i'm about to do 40 years for him no i'm gonna flip on him and that's what's going on right now and there's no one out there taking these young guys and putting them under their wing and teaching them hey go to school go get a job go join a union because this life is over and that's what it is yeah and you know i've over the years i've interviewed some of the biggest drug dealers uh in america from the freeway ricky's to the little ds you know out of oakland to you know convertible uh convertible bert out in miami and the story is essentially the same every time no one ever rides off into the sunset no uh it ends up yeah they do they do 20 30 plus years in prison come home not even to an envelope yeah they come home to nothing whatever money they put aside and put in other people's names the people spend whatever property was put in other people yeah you know that property is now in their name and they're not going to give it back and they essentially come out as old men or middle-aged men having to start over in a world that they're not even familiar with they don't know about you know iphones they don't know about the internet or social media my cousin donnie came home he went to prison before the world trade center was finished he came home the world trade center was gone he went there for 33 years and i'll tell you something else i love the man and he's a stand-up guy he i'm sure he hates me for what i did but the year that i did this he was crippled he had his whole spine fused together he just came home from doing 33 years he sent the message to matt the boss of little cages they were very dear friends they were on that pizza connection case together they they sold a ton of drugs together he reached out to matt matt was home matt's a millionaire he said hey matt i'm crippled i can't get out of my house do you think you could come visit me at my house i need to talk to you about something and on the wire i caught the guy talking about this said matt told him i'll come there if i could find the time my cousin donnie found the 33 years to do for you with his mouth shot right he found that 33 years and he gave it to you he didn't make the case easy on you right he took his time he found that 33 years you can't find 33 minutes to come visit him because he's in a wheelchair so you didn't go see my cousin and you know what he told the kid chris why should i go see him he's just gonna ask me for money money that you have and he doesn't and he wanted to try to buy a garbage truck so his son could start her out so he was gonna ask a friend for a favor a friend who they made money together i'm not saying that he went to jail just for matt but he did the right thing by matt did the right thing by everybody and my cousin got told if i could find the time what do you think my cousin how do you think he felt when he went to sleep that night wow if he could find the time when he found the 33 years to do a few scumbags right i got no respect for any of them well uh frankie pasqua i appreciate you coming in and sharing your story uh you know a life of of ups and downs but i think this really sends a very serious message to people who are watching it's way up now yeah um you know just because it looks great in in goodfellas or casino or the godfather the 60s it doesn't exist anymore go get a job go to exist yeah it doesn't exist be it be a square guy man or legal go to work take care of your family go to work take care of your family i hope that for my brother's fast never go through what i went through they're good kids my brothers and i wish them the best in life anyone in my family you could hate me all you want all the hate you give me i'll give you back love that's that there you have it well frankie i appreciate you coming in take care everybody meeting you peace

Channel: djvlad

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Length: 77min 22sec (4642 seconds)

Published: Wed Sep 08 2021