Louis C.K. Was Almost GAY

i trust aids do you base is doing a great job at  what it does i'm not saying you should be doing it   like 911 you had to end the sorrow and the anger  and the rage and the sadness you had to go dude   bullseye what's up everybody welcome to  flagrant and uh listen we are here with   the uh the reason why i was able to put out my  special thank you guys so much for supporting it   uh and the star of his new film  we got louis ck and joe listen so i was telling this before i just got to say  thank you so much because if you didn't do it   then i would have been able to do it and this  has been a really awesome experience for me   and uh i'm just really grateful and i believe in  giving credit to those who paved the way man so i i thought assumed i just assumed that was for me   i did a youtube special that's what i thought how  did your rogan go so badly is it a great guess right before the podcast we're sitting out there  and we're saying hi to joe and introducing joe to   everybody i'm like hey man i'm really excited  for this he's like me too man oh by the way i   did the worst rogan ever he's like i was told by  everyone it's the worst rogan ever i think i have   like the first the first worst and like the fifth  worst i've done it two i'm over two top ten yeah   but i feel bad because i took away louis was  going to say something very profound i'm sure   i just wanted to do a bit and get up   but but louie thank you i didn't do it  for you no no no we went over i didn't   even know you existed i didn't even have a sort  of like abstract notion of you or anybody else it actually annoys me a little that you're doing  it now taken away from me how amazing yours was   that's right i want to be the only one to  ever do it now now you did it immediately   please i'm very pleased that you're doing it  you immediately asked how much money i made of   course they did and when when you found out i  made less you were like i'm really proud of you is that what you think no but you wouldn't tell  me how much i didn't tell you how much i made   after you asked me how much that's right i asked  you it was terrible it's like poker it's like what   are your cards i'm not gonna it's not an exchange  is that you didn't say is that a part of poker   sometimes people ask people what do you have   and it's an interesting tactic in poker they don't  expect them to tell them but you know what do you   have there and then they look at their face while  after that that's interesting because he thought   this was friendship and you thought they did poker  yeah yeah you were playing poker against it's all   poker yeah and you're the most negotiator ever  too you're not going to say yeah you tell are you   going to tell me you just told me you just no no  no you gave me [ __ ] industrial data you gave me   industry data with no prior uh you know  agreement you just said i asked you you   told me you that's astonishing you said kind  of person does that i go you go how did it go   no you're not asking emotionally no that's right i  said how did it go and then you said you wanted do   you want to know how much i did i did lift my hand  you did i did which means no no nobody over here   no he heard it but not but not yet i heard it and  tweeted it out i hope that's cool that's totally   fine it's out there totally fine um it's on my  stories and i did not share with you how much i   make but then i asked you in the same way i was  like do you feel comfortable with me asking you   and then you you pause for a moment and you say no  i do not well you see why you rewrite things a lot because you hear yourself differently you  said you just said that you said do you feel   comfortable with me asking yeah that didn't  happen at all do you mind if i ask you hey   that's very different do you feel comfortable  which is a dumb question yeah because you're going   to ask somebody that before you ask a question  do you feel comfortable with me asking you about   your childhood you know no i don't then i won't  it's [ __ ] stupid that doesn't make any sense   at all you asked you said can i ask you i said  i said i don't know what if i was like yo it'd   be super if you didn't tell me how much you made  what if i said that would that be a little bit yeah i uh i don't want you to know how much i  made on my shows it's that's corporate data i   know how much you made at least do you yeah  um what do you mean how do you know that i   don't even care what you think you know well you  told us how much you lost i know you made more   yeah than me so i know at least how  much you make why do you think you know   this is more interesting to me i don't even  care if you're filming this i'm so interested   why do you think you know that i made more  than you you have a bad poker face bro that's interesting sometimes people ask people  things knowing they're not going to get an   answer and then just judge by the way you look  at them based on outfits andrew made a lot more   based on outfits yeah oh yeah but uh it's  it's the was you see it's even dumber than   having a bad poker face is believing that you  know somebody's poker face before you've even   seen their cards third time you've called me  dumb i'm saying the things you're doing i think   i'm saying the thing the things you're saying  are dumb okay that doesn't make you dumb ah   nobody is stupid you understand  wow about that something racist that was superb that's not what i mean nobody's stupid what about  the people who are like clinically you mean [ __ ]   party people yes like yeah they're on the spectrum  or something like that guys the spectrum is not   it's down syndrome yeah down syndrome yeah yeah  yeah jesus the spectrum is not about intelligence   the spectrum is about social being able to kill  you know but the [ __ ] spectrum is about that   there's a [ __ ] spectrum well you think they're  all the same iq louie yeah well also every one   of them is the same stupid yes i understand what  you're saying and an iq test objectively there's   a low score that's a stupid person yeah it's  like a tested thing this is science here oh okay   i guess he's right do you not trust the science  bro yeah i know i don't trust the sign you can't   trust science keep going science isn't about  trusting it's science is about questioning   oh [ __ ] trust is about religion trust is  faith you don't trust science you you uh   you you look into it and you test it and  you and you criticize it and scrutinize it that's [ __ ] somebody doesn't experiment  and then they go here's what this means and   then everybody goes all right we have to trust  that no somebody needs to keep redoing it and   ready are you doing it yeah  all the greatest theories in   science have been like you know like  stephen hawking the guy with that guy he's so stupid he's just stupid   that guy he had a whole theory that he created  that was that changed everything relativity no actually yeah right everything's relative wasn't  that the name of the movie that was einstein yeah   whatever yeah he was smart he wore the same thing  every day i thought that was steve jobs yeah he   did too he took it from einstein i like that's i  like how that's here also well that's a uniform   yeah still smart yeah as you were so uh hawking  had this hawking [ __ ] [ __ ] hawking talking   hey he had um a theory that was changed everything  and then he had now he had students and he   told one of his students just try uh try this  formula like prove this just you know for fun   and then the student couldn't do it yeah  he kept coming back and then he realized   oh my theory is totally wrong and he had to  admit it his theory was flawed had flaws redo   it but if everyone trusted his theory it would  still sit there wrong and there'd be spaceships   you know crashing into moons now is that how  you feel about uh the vaccine and you know and   aids and stuff like that yeah what about aids and  stuff well i trust aids i trust aids do you a's is   doing a great job at what it does i'm not saying  you should be doing it right i'm saying it's it's   it's it's a fantastic yeah it's sufficient you  know yeah yeah like 911 you had to end the sorrow   and the anger and the and the rage and the  sadness you had to go dude [ __ ] bull's-eye i'm glad you said it because i can't you know what  i mean something yeah [ __ ] i.e both you got both lord have mercy masterpiece would you say yeah  yeah yeah somewhere for sure i wish they hadn't   sure but because of all the people that died well  they really nailed it they [ __ ] nailed it dude   yeah and i think they see it that way they can  appreciate one of my favorite stories about it   was uh there was a documentary about it on pbs  after and they talked to you know they tried   once before with the with the truck bomb one  notorious b.i.g sang about i think it was 19   95 or 96 yeah i remember i was living here and uh  93. so they got the one of the guys that did it   they took them they were taking them uh they  talked to a cop this was a great interview he just had a [ __ ] rainman moment right there  i think it was 93. it was 95 or 96 i think it   was what was 93 wasn't that what was that  the somalia the black hog down it was in 93. when did biggie die 97 okay 90 93 was the bombing  let's go list let's [ __ ] go okay the [ __ ]   oh i know my bumming and  then 2004 was 9 11. you know the guy the guy that gets the 93 bombing but  not since he doesn't want that okay that's a   great galifianakis joke when he says someone said  what where were you on 911 and he says what year   funny guy oh man very good sorry bbs pbs pbs  did a documentary so they uh interviewed a   marshall a federal marshal who escorted one of the  perpetrators of that first bombing to his trial   in manhattan and they had him in a helicopter  and they're flying to the courthouse so   he's next to the prisoner and they're flying  right next to the world trade my god this guy   and the the federal guy the fed marshal is just  a cop he says i pointed at the buildings and   i said you didn't get him did you and the  guy just called he said we'll get him wow   whoa what language and they did those buildings  are no longer there yes they're no longer there   they are no longer there that might be where you  got the idea you're flying up there he's like oh   this is the way yeah that federal marshal  probably was the inspiration for it he was   the music you know that might be true he was  the muse for the 911 yeah he saw from the air   [ __ ] from the thank you buddy from the air he's  probably asking like how do you fly that thing   he's probably asking little questions right there  it's his fault i don't know if he was thinking of   using that helicopter it could have been that i  think it was more of a those crashes from the air   yeah you were you started out really  smart you got stupid at the end   oh now they're stupid what yeah see that's  what i'm saying you people go in and ask you   to let people know when they're being dumb  or stupid like what they say is stupid yeah   it's a good word it's a good evaluative  word are you projecting something maybe   do you feel stupid yeah a lot of times yeah yeah  tell us about that i feel stupid all the time every day really when did you feel stupid today   you big dummy i'll tell you last time i felt  stupid i was in a swimming pool on a paddle board   teaching myself the paddle board in a swimming  pool okay and i was starting to really nail it   and somebody was watching me and i was showing  off and then i wanted to jump off of it like   you know i wanted to dismount and splash but i  had gone into the very shallow part of the pool   so i cracked my [ __ ] knee on the bottom of the  pool and then i couldn't do anything for the rest   of the day that was stupid yeah that was dumb that  made me feel stupid that's why i call him stupid   too to get it off get it off of me onto him you  got to cleanse the palate i'm comfortable why not   i don't know i had a stupid moment on a stand-up  panel board in aruba it was like really when you   do the stand-up panel if it's really windy you  become like a sale yes it's bad if it's coming at   you it becomes really work and i couldn't [ __ ]  move and i was really struggling and uh a guy that   was swimming went hey just step off of it i was  in like three feet of water so i just got off and   like walked back with some paddle boards but i was  like doing [ __ ] this and i couldn't get anywhere   and he's like yeah you just get down now joe can i  ask you a question last time i was stupid that was   it 2005. and then you that it was a year after  9 11. nailing it nailing it ever since are you   uh a great actor joe are you kidding me give  me a motion what do you want me to do i would   do asian veterans jesus asian asian people oh i  fought hard in the world that's beautiful yeah   asian asian veterinarian can you do that um asian  vegetarian hey but give it a shot wait that wait   it's an italian wait i [ __ ] up that  was italian oh whoa your dog is sick   but i made a choice you see good actors make  choices yes he's a great actor when it comes to   making choices that's the thing 100 percent yeah  he's a really great actor he's a great natural   actor and as evidence was the first choice the  movie that we made well that's that's what we were   getting in there was he your first choice for this  movie he's the only choice not my first choice i   argued to not play me i wanted chalamet because of  the resemblance yeah exactly i see that for sure   right yes chalamet would have been [ __ ] great  to be honest better actor than me say that again   i think that he's a better actor than  timothy chalamet have you seen dune   yes that is the third worst movie i ever saw oh  that's great yeah i was watching it i don't get it   wow love that movie it's just move it's just  people i i just sounds and then why are we off   my brilliance so quickly we're chiseling out  your brilliance by saying what isn't good but   what isn't bad okay okay so you think dune sucked  yeah i hated it are you a fan of anything good fan   of all the good things okay did you like top gun  maverick i enjoy the [ __ ] out of it this is it's   a big silly movie but it's always the first one  right you can't just give it up i just loved it   the best part no that's accurate exactly  with is towards the end when somebody says   like you're back maverick where you belong and  you hear all these bald fat guys and you just   hear all the dudes are crying cause they're like  yeah we're back they hurt us for so many years   and we're back no it's beautiful that movie is  beautiful yes top guys it is a great movie another   like 911. it's like they shouldn't have done  it but they boy do they [ __ ] nail it they're   suffering and their sorrow and i'm sorry for  the family but wow guys yeah well done maverick   now after you saw top gun maverick and you have  this film with joe that you guys are putting out   yeah right do you see is there a resemblance  between tom cruise's ability to capture emotion   and really kind of like hold the scene and joel is  100 and as a matter of fact when i saw that movie   and i thought about this is being enjoyed all  over the country people are loving this movie and   i thought our movie is a perfect like companion  for it also fourth of july patriotic names that's   right there you go boring on the fourth of july i  mean look at all this oh my gosh it's tom cruise   movie but whenever it's time for his work so i'd  help him out he's in a wheelchair downsy yeah whenever there's been a big blockbuster uh  there's been a little movie that came with   like a little movie that everybody really loved  like it's a little funny i have no examples okay   i had a feeling i had a feeling so like with  terminator there was like another movie that   came out i think probably something like that  maybe like a let's just say like a holiday   movie a movie about a holiday yeah like sideways  when sideways came out i don't know what the big   blockbuster was that 2004 is actually  a couple months before that's right   there you go look at the big brain  on akash this is my [ __ ] 94. okay is there anything are you like a guy  like it's hard for you to celebrate mainstream   successful things no as long as they're  good i i i i like when a movie kicks ass   yeah everybody digs it yeah i don't like when  they just push just push push marketing yeah and   it's just they swear to god this is good they  spend tons of money on yeah on the movie and   there's just an inevitability to it dune is an  interesting midway because it's not just a dumb   piece of [ __ ] that they're like everyone's  going to like this because people are stupid   it's supposed to be smart it's supposed to be but  you didn't find it it's not cool does that bother   you more that i think about that there's more  pretension in it yes but then i do have to respect   that people love dune they love it i have  to respect that that means they're right and   they're right for them have you it's just for me  it makes me feel isolated because i'm like what is   that but everybody digs it you got to respect that  sure france do you ever go and spend time dance   i know where he's going you're  like a french guy let him get there   you're a very like french person and on the  surface you're not i feel like you're complimented no no no no no and i'm not trying to joke  around like i'm being serious like you're   like a very thoughtful person you're but you  can point out the like uh kind of almost like   uh what did you say about top gun it was uh  i'd say it's a fun time but it's like but   it's also silly yeah right that's a french  attitude i think the french are skeptical   about very incredibly successful things they like  to like pull art that they're like food jews yes   exactly so well it's like a jew but it also  likes food so it's like so for example food   juice yes yes he's going with your world do  people say food juice or do you think i'm a   jew do i think you're uh schultz yeah no  schultz is like the name of the guy in uh so yeah i think you're a thoughtful  one what do you care about him for   because he's a nazi i think so that was not a jew okay yeah you get you worry  about that because of your nose i did who else has big noses italian italians have  big noses italians yeah also food juice and arabic   girls sometimes where are women with big noses  you're into a big nose that's a sexy attribute   in the world really would you would you be gay  right now from french to gay i don't know well   that's the gateway would i be gay be gay could  you say more words so you know how to answer that would i be gay come on more if would i be gay  if what would you be gay yeah would you be gay   i actually like the would you be philosophical  yeah we're being friends with you be gay yeah   we're in a cafe given the opportunity  given the hey that's for you where are   the circumstances yeah uh sure why not you don't  need circumstances no you just had an emotional   and like romantic attraction to a guy would  you just go with it indulgent i would be scared   and i would contemplate going towards that  fear because of public scrutiny i'll tell   you a moment that i felt i almost  became gay so see a lot sort of like let's go where i grew up in newton massachusetts and  we had a my friends and i did a lot of drugs   and a friend of ours took us to uh downtown boston  loft show it was like a concert in somebody's loft   apartment yeah but it was super cool and i felt so  cool being there and a friend of mine knew some of   the bands so i got to meet them i'm 16 i'm 17.  smoking pot you know and uh so we're leaving the   loft we're going down these stairs that are going  like this and some guys are going up because it's   continuing and one guy goes hey and i look up and  there's a guy at the top of the stairs and he goes   he's wearing like uh buddy holly  glasses or something this is the 80s   and he says hey and i go one he goes where are you  going and i said well we're leaving and he goes   you're cute and i said thanks and he said come  back up and for one second i thought that's a   choice up there that's just going going back up  letting my friends go back to newton and being gay but i looked at them and then i went forward in  my head to the big you know [ __ ] coming all   my face yeah yeah i was like let's go home  the homosexuality's a choice is what we're   taking from this for me at the moment it was a  homosexual act would have been a choice that's   always a choice yeah an act is always the truth  it was like what's my nature is that my nature   is that what i want is this you know i like  things about the moment i like that he was   invited there was an uh a grown-up and i  was reaching out to wanting to be a grown-up   and he validated and i liked yesterday validated  me and he said i wanted you to come up and hang   out with these grown-ups that you don't even know  yeah that was interesting but then when i added   the gay sex angle in my head yeah i thought that's  taint's the moment for me i don't want it because   sex part i don't wanna have sex with the man i  don't desire men sexually but we want validation   from men sure and we want to feel cool and you're  at the cool often and then in that age you just   someone gives you that you know you go oh yeah i  want to hang out with you you made me feel like   you think if you weren't already so i liked it the  way he talked he was assertive something about him   he seemed open and cool and like fatherly yeah  yeah yeah yeah he's like i'm gonna [ __ ] that   yeah i'm gonna [ __ ] that kid come on up here  this is my guy jeffrey's good for you you're   french man i'm not you have a french honesty dude  i think that you're i think you're from where you   are from in the world where am i from  like stupid lands that we're calling i know that you're a lot smarter than you seem i'm  a dumb guy yeah you act like a dumb guy because   you make you make money acting like a dumb guy  okay but you're smart you're educated you were   raised with a lot of money from a party school  yeah that's my parents people with the money   intelligent people with money go to party  schools my parents didn't have crazy money   wow that's true right [ __ ] my parents taught  dance lessons for a living how much money can   you make doing that you tell me i don't know  i won't tell you no don't don't tell him   again you always tell him the money come on  go say something no but uh no i grew up in   the east village you know yeah there was like a  few it was up in the east village master place   wow and there was a french influence yeah yeah  sure starbucks did you just question whether   it was the [ __ ] east village second i didn't  dislike you until that moment of this podcast   and i almost wanted to punch you in your head  you looked over at joe like joe is gonna know   what the [ __ ] the east village was confirmed it  wasn't joe it was anybody the [ __ ] do you know   about new york you moved to the west village  you're right around it you're right 100 okay   you're right jesus christ these hipsters bushwick  is the real place you see how important it is   nothing if he's not a new yorker that's it  that's my identity new yorker east village   yeah that's how important that is to you but no  it was just a universe what the hell is growing   up on astr plays but can i be honest you're  not quite there and you'll never [ __ ] win   right now we're on lafayette you're in the  [ __ ] border you wish you were well no this   isn't he's just this is like no leaders you wish  you were like with leonard cohen and people like   smoking hats i don't know who those but you  live in eastfield nice you have nice parents   you were sheltered yeah it was beautiful  it was a great life um you're a mexican but real quick you were right  about the insecurity wasn't   it's what the east village is now east village has  moved over people who live in alphabet city go i   live in this village before that wasn't yeah but  now that it's moved over now where i grew up is   like noho and now i've lost my easter i understand  and that's what you were tapping into i understand   how that feels like that insecurity came out i'll  be honest i think insecurity is not that people   always want to get it but it's from somewhere real  yeah yeah i'm like you're [ __ ] you said cousteau he investigated underwater yes he did yeah  don't judge me whenever one mention he said what   neighborhood do you think you're yeah yeah yeah  mr marlin yeah uh yeah the east yeah the alpha   bad city used to have its own character its own it  was its own place yes it was and now it's kind of   yeah been gentrified by you people moving here to  follow your dreams yeah to our great city yeah me   the mexicans from germany yeah mexicans coming in  that's right now you lie a lot about being mexican   can you you're a big time liar about  being mexican can you cut that [ __ ]   out a little bit why do you think it's  lie do you speak spanish claudio kissy espanol go ahead yo he was yeah it's a grammar that's  what makes a person a person   don't be defensive don't be defensive yeah  you're really villaging this right now no   you really are i don't i i own it i'm defensive  about it but you don't even know anything about   why a mexican i mean why do you think do  you really think i don't know why you're   mexican i don't know anything about what  you know i hope this ends in a fist fight i just kicked the [ __ ] out of  each other do my research yeah   i know about these things research  is me search oh why now that's you're searching yourself yeah it's like  when you're writing you're always writing   about yourself even if you think  you're not writing about yourself   that's a smart [ __ ] too i'm french yeah we do did you feel when you walked up those  stairs they weren't spiraled but i like that it's   better don't tell people what's on the back end  yeah i didn't go back there i don't know anything   i believe in that i trust that if you tell me  that's a spiral staircase yeah you want to go   for a walk up the staircase no but i i i it's  there can i try again hey hey where are you going if that guy had done that it  would have been like no no see you guys don't know how to act you don't  know how to pick you don't know how to pick up   a teenage boy damn bro okay okay you don't act  sexy with a teenage boy you you act cool you   hey what's up come on is that cool i mean it  almost worked on me that's why i know it right   right right right right cool's changed yeah um  yeah yeah so so it's all good we all get old   bro okay so the oldest person here i think so  right what do you mean do you really think are awesome when you talked about the bald  fat guys crying at top gun i was like   was louie crying at tommy i cried at top i can't believe how they preserved this [ __ ]  character and how tom did yeah and brought him   to i mean as soon as it opens with the shots of  the aircraft carrier and that and that burner you're like i can't believe they did this i  can't believe they did this did they really   do it and then you see maverick with his older but  still cool arms as he's you know on the thing and   you're like go man go this is so [ __ ] good and  then you meet the other characters and you're like   all right let's get through this yeah like i'm the  tough girl i'm the guy that doesn't really ever   give it up another guy who's gonna i don't know  what anybody's doing you gotta watch that for a   while and they keep cutting a maverick yeah which  means nothing but that first scene in the bar   because they're like it's okay he's here it's  okay he's here oh maverick is here he's here he's   it's for me so the young people are meeting these  characters that i hate but they're mavericks it's   okay jennifer connolly's over here she's okay they  cut to the two of them constantly they they're   it's not important that they're listening to these  kids it's important that you as a viewer see them   when you're watching you yeah sorry interested  that's all i'm done when you're watching or you   know we're watching stand-up you're like seeing if  you can see where this joke is going et cetera and   when you're watching film is it like that all the  time i stop and go back all the time and see how   why the cuts were what they were and yeah and  this is always always and you can see why they   did stuff they fixed so you can tell they fixed  something you could tell they cut something here   you can tell they cut something out it's an  awkward transition and you know yeah i study l   movies all the time that way okay you're studying  movies obviously stand-up is exploding i'm talking   about earlier in your career right yeah you did  you notice that there were like certain stories   that just exploded and what it was about like  story that we're so drawn to like why is it   like i don't know there's something just about  human beings why are we so engaged by the story   i can give somebody a hot take or a hot premise  or whatever but the story is the impactful thing   the story is when everybody's sitting around in  a group and you're telling a thing that happened   everybody shuts down that's right movies stories  is big it drives it grabs your interest in it   and then you relate to it and you want to see  what happens and it's suspenseful when a movie   is about something like an issue it lays there  because you feel the way you feel about a movie   and i'm out of an issue and maybe they  maybe they're on your side maybe they're not   like it's just laying there so these political  movies they don't they don't grab a viewer but   if you're watching a story by the way you can  get to an issue by driving through the story   and do you think do you think hollywood has  an inflated sense of self or do you think it   is uh because of how impactful certain movies and  stories are do you think there are certain people   in hollywood listen we're gonna change the course  of american history with this it's not that it's   not that uh uh high pollutant it's cynical they  a story works so they go let's do that let's do   that story they just keep do every story has a uh  reverberating effect on a bunch of movies so as   somebody comes up with a story nobody's quite told  before and then it gets done again and again and   again everybody's just chasing yeah they're  just chasing other people's stories around   okay and some people are actually good at some of  those are okay you know some b movies are actually   you know good on that level it's a rehash of some  other thing and they put a prettier face on it   and you know you get and then you add style you  have a style of filmmaking you get that there's   a are you a fan of the nolan's at all i know  this is like mainstream christopher nolan yeah   i mean i i don't get grabbed by those sort of like  this is time is twisted that was very really weird   but i almost feel like and maybe this is because  i'm a fan of of their work i almost feel like   they well christopher and jonathan his brother  jonathan writes it with him oh i didn't even know   that yeah but um i i just i wonder if that's them  like trying to flex their storytelling ability   i do think that those movies are sincerely  interested in what they're doing i don't   think they're like but doesn't talk to you or  that's yeah it's not my thing but they're good   they're great movies and some people absolutely if  anybody loves a movie it's a great movie what is   the best move you've ever seen it's impossible to  say that i don't really know um it's so many that   there's a movie this one's just popping my head  like hard times is a movie everybody should see   it's charles bronson and james coburn and it's  just about a guy who's a bare-knuckle you know   uh brawler where they go to like a factory and  they get two guys and they just and guys throw   money it's like a cockfight with men yeah yeah  and it's during the depression and it's set in   new orleans and somehow they made new orleans  they shot it in the 60s looked like new orleans   during the depression and it's funny as [ __ ]  and it's strange and it's beautiful and there's   this just charles bronson just fist fighting with  dudes long fistfight scenes with blood everywhere   and they're it's super fun great movie i heard a  cool story about you and you can tell me i can't   say it but it is really endearing i heard you  uh you're about to be a good guy okay for once i heard uh you uh gave a bunch of money to  uh a boxing gym in the area because they were   going through tough times uh during covet yeah al  alberto he's it's real close to here yeah he has   a place called uh the world trade team yeah yeah  work train fight yeah alberto was a boxing trainer   at just a crunch gym years and years ago yeah  somewhere on youtube there's a video of me boxing   with him and he's wearing it on lafayette right  there on like fourth or something like that yes   exactly where and he's wearing a uh a spongebob  costume because it was it was halloween and he and   i sparred and he really went out he hurt me yeah  he saw this video of that on youtube somewhere   but he used to train me back then i love boxing  training yeah and then he's just a very unassuming   guy yeah and we were coming with train and then i  got back in touch with him and he had started just   humbly said i started a gym i went there it's  a fantastic gym yeah and all kinds of people   go there yeah and manhattanite's you know boxing  yeah and he makes a lot of money with those folks   yeah and um and then he's dedicates a whole other  time to bringing kids into the gym for free yeah   to use boxing to help them get off the streets and  have you know the the ethos of boxing is a great   way to get to teach young people to make an  effort and to have some structure in your life so   uh during covert he was taking a bath destroyed  he can't do it and they didn't give him a cut   on the rent or anything he was paying like 20  30 000 a month that's right it's a elite place   but he also he's so smart he makes wtf uh gear he  loves yeah people love it he's got a podcast wtf   that's the whole show he puts on glasses and he  had the president anxiety and depression yeah   amazing it's a big show yeah but uh he also has  fights in the uh on friday or saturday nights   where people pay to come and watch the students  fight each other they have little grudge matches   and he makes videos he just he started shooting  videos and and promos and stuff he's a brilliant   guy and a very sweet guy and he helped me a lot  and when i came back to boxing i really needed   it at the time yeah and he had started this gym  and he let me use this so it was an easy call   for me i just think that's really cool it's  like uh i mean i gave me 800 wasn't that much so you're telling me you made 50 million  dollars in your your specials that you put on   on on your website at least 50 million  dollars to 7500 million dollars   a day yeah and you gave them 800 that's right  and he told me you demanded three reps you're   like i'll do it but i need three hand wraps  three hand wraps because i have three hands yeah i had one number you shouldn't have used  that's three i gave them some money i   gave them some money yeah okay um oh this  is you guys boxing oh this is that's yes   yeah and i was in my 40s then i was  already look at you hopping around   trying to but when it hit their body you see  that body's those body shops destroying me   yeah you got hands though i see you 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jewish doctor oh you're jewish   yeah well i'm not joe i wasn't raised jewish  but but it turned the iq and everything quarter yeah my grandfather i thought you were  just trying to get back in the industry   only donating 800 bucks um okay yeah okay so to clarify you are mexican  okay yeah yeah i i was born here my father moved   here came here to go to school met my mother  here who's american irish english you know   michigan girl very smart woman my mom and they  met at a um she was going to summer school and   he was at school and they met married and then  they brought after my sister when my sister was   born in mexico was this a visa thing or like to  get your dad to be able to be here no he's here   to get an education oh okay yeah so they're still  together to the no my mother's dead and he's just   in a [ __ ] some [ __ ] home that i pay for 800  bucks a month will get you a long way out yeah put them to work that's right  okay fights on friday nights yeah   when somebody's 54 you don't ask are your parents  still together well i i didn't know i'm live no   my my um they divorced when i was 10. but we after  before i was even one we moved back to mexico city   he got a job there at a bank yeah and we  lived there until i was about seven so i   moved to we came here and i remember coming to  america yeah and speaking knowing i only spoke   spanish and you have full red hair yeah you're  in boston yeah and you only speak canelo alvarez   i looked like that but i can't imagine with  people in boston where there's already irish   redheads everywhere seeing an irish redhead  and then you not being able to communicate   that was weird it feels like it was effectively  the framingham which had a big puerto rican   community okay so there were puerto rican kids  in my school that spoke spanish but wouldn't   i had to adapt really fast and i had to learn  english really fast my sisters all still speak   fluent spanish everybody in my family but me  speaks fluent spanish do you think that helped   you become a comic yes it did adapting didn't  help me and just kind of feeling on the outside   yeah good question yes yeah yeah i did  i i did did i ask any good questions yes i was really trying you asked if you would  be gay that was your big question no that's   a great question yeah yeah yeah yeah  yeah yeah um what do balls taste like   balls what do they taste like yeah a  little bit like chicken if you eat them if you lick them you know it's just  getting an elbow at the end of the day   okay something i've always always wondered  about you is you reach the mountaintop of   of the industry right yeah like you're you're  gonna be humble about this i'm gonna tell you   what it felt like from the outside yeah it's just  outside looking at it right we're all looking at   this guy who's we know is hilarious and then  all of a sudden the world finds out that he's   hilarious and he's doing whatever he wants to do  you do a show it's critically acclaimed you have   this weird thing where you're like beloved  by like working class mainstream people and   hollywood even your face is uncomfortable because  i'm complimenting you this is like a comic thing   i've realized it's hard it's okay and then you go  independent i think a lot of us went independent   because we didn't have the opportunity to do  these things right you chose to go independent   why i never understood it i imagine everybody's  like begging you to produce shows they're going   please can you write a show louie oh my god can  you make this movie can you do whatever you want   well it always seemed like the smart thing to do  to me because and the it felt good i liked the   way it felt more than anything else because you  see so much waste in the way things are done yeah   and so much stuff that's about why are we doing  this yeah oh god i wish we didn't have to do that   and also i like guys like uh there's certain  guys i really admire like floyd mayweather   the greatest in my opinion not the greatest  boxer yeah he's the greatest great of all   time meaning he's better at boxing than  i think stephen hawkings was at science   yeah or anybody was in anything yeah i think he  perfected his craft he really did guys like him   an ulcer tyler perry is another guy who oh  what a [ __ ] beast dude [ __ ] admire that these guys who just what's your favorite uh what's  your favorite media i don't never seen any of his   work family i've never seen a single tyler perry  i watched a little bit of a live one of the he   started by doing these live things yeah and he  had these uh he'd make a house and there's people   upstairs and downstairs yeah they're wearing  the weird hands yeah the gay guy upstairs   yeah yeah and so i saw the how that worked and  that he's just getting selling tickets but another   guy that's just like him admire just as much is  john waters um who wanted to make movies had no   way he lived in baltimore but he thought straight  lines he didn't go like somehow someday they'll   discover me he just went to a movie theater and  asked them how do who decides what gets projected   on that screen very basic and they said well we  get him from the studios and goes and he sees that   there's shows till 9 10 p.m he goes do you have a  midnight show and the theater goes why would we do   that he goes let me have the room at midnight i'll  pay you rent and then he goes with a [ __ ] camera   and really poured a lot of work into and made his  movies about his community and made it made them   mean so much to his community crazy people you  know divine the transvestite and all these people   and then he'd show them in this ball and give out  flyers and pack those [ __ ] places yeah it was   a huge thing dolomite did it oh my there's another  guy who's just like if i'm this and i'm the only   one who does this thing that i do i can find the  people who dig it yeah and so i didn't do that   ground up like these guys did i came up through  the industry comedy club hammering at comedy clubs   then i went to television learned television  learned how to write tv and tried having my   own show in different places and stuff but when i  got all of that upstream battle there's not much   you can do except keep trying and try you don't  have any control over how you do it but when i   got to be big when i got to the place where i'm  like um if i put something on sale it sells out   it's guaranteed right when you get to that place  yeah yeah that when your show is announced in any   and where i was at a point where it's like any  building on earth yeah yeah will take my my uh   engagement i can book it yeah and if i announce  it it will sell out it got to that credit it's not   like giant state it's not kevin hart but you know  yeah but there's also very for us it's always all   right he's sold out radio city [ __ ] amazing  garden next i'm selling not comedy clubs now   now theaters you it's like i'm selling out madison  square garden i don't probably want to do the next   bigger thing so like i'm set well when i got  to that place where it's like we put a show on   the sale of the garden and then another one and  then another one what do you do with that power   yeah yeah what do you do with that so you can  go to the big companies and say write me a huge   check because of the power that i have but to  me it was far more interesting to figure out   who are these guys how did the who books this  place how does this happen and wonder if i can   do some version of it myself and also when you  sell your own tickets when you go directly to fans   you get the glengarry leads you get there if  ticketmaster and live nation sell your tickets   for you they get those emails they get context  they have control over your audience yeah yeah but   if they come i have an email list that's people  that have been coming to my live shows and buying   my specials since way back yeah you said uh two  things i thought were interesting one is somehow   you managed to do the garden without ticketmaster  no we didn't ever got without we we i did this   one year where i was like i'm not gonna use  ticketmaster not because i i think they're evil   they're [ __ ] smart yeah they cornered a market  yeah but i saw that there was a way to get uh   we found it uh e-ticks this company that would  do white label ticketing it looked like it was   just our tickets yeah and their ticket master's  fees were 12.50 a ticket and e-ticks was a dollar   fifty yeah yeah and there's no difference between  what the two companies do yeah yeah so i used   e-ticks so i could bring the fans tickets down i  had was 50 bucks anywhere you saw me in any seat   yeah and we hired guys to kind of stop scalping  so that really fans were only paying 50 bucks   and the garden said we're not going to  take you because we use ticketmaster   and the ticketmaster was run by a guy named  irvin something and uh he we would go i   this is a long story i don't know if it's that  interesting but i think this is going to go   well we went like we'd go to a city  like kansas city and and a live nation   ticketmaster has those rooms belong they actually  own those rooms they're doing what i want to do i   respect it yeah they're buying the whole room yeah  yeah [ __ ] selling tickets we own the room yeah   yeah and the venue is what you're trying to say  right they own the venue and so you pay them rent   and and they're your fans to see the ticket all  that stuff is going to them double dip and then   you get whatever's left your fans pay too much and  you get too little so we would go to a room that   doesn't have a live nation you're like a run down  [ __ ] room and would say we'll do a show with you   and sometimes they'd agree and then the next  day ticketmaster would make a deal with them and   rub us out because they saw what we were doing  and they went around i thought there was a garden   thing where you no so what happened was that i  couldn't play the garden so like i did the city   center here that which was the only room that  was not controlled um it's about 2800 seats i   think and i did it for two weeks every night like  two shows i did something like 30 shows there and   it was a lot of money yeah a lot of work yeah  but so then the next year irvine what's his name   left ticketmaster and went to msg and he kind of  wanted to stick it to his old boss so he gave me a   deal he wanted me in the garden so he put i didn't  even know it's legal for me to say all this but he   he he made a deal with me that the garden would  pay ticketmaster half their fee and i would pay   half so he paid six and i paid six so i paid my  fans fee so that they could come to the garden   to see me for 50 bucks to me this was fun and  interesting and i would have made less money   than i would have yeah but that's enough yeah  to me that's an i've always i have a cap to how   much i want to earn oh is that right yeah what is  it past that cap it gets fun what fun can i have   how can i earn money differently than other  people and how can i bring more benefit   to the fans so that they'll keep coming and be  happy they came and not feel like it was a good   show but i [ __ ] i couldn't eat that week so  you have your [ __ ] number basically and then   yeah exactly after that it's it's money  to play with either to reinvest and work   yeah yeah and that's the other thing that that's  why i like to i like when i made this show horace   and pete when i'm the this movie i asked yes  self-financed that's what i do with my extra   is make stuff without having to ask anybody  without having a is just start making it write   the script and then look for a cast and start  making it now i wonder if you are so popular   and you're starting this trend of independence  and i wonder if there are people in hollywood   that have animosity about that they're like  [ __ ] this guy because everybody thinks they   did everything for you yeah right like literally  if this movie's the most successful thing ever   he made you now you might not think that because  you're made it but an exactly like the story came   from his heart you know what he gave me this story  he gave me the most important story of his life   some some executive is going to go we made  that person and we need a little piece of it   right and so if you're going to take that success  and go fully independent i wonder if there are   people like who the [ __ ] does this guy think  he's going to say something is flying by and   the helicopter looking at your towers that's all  very abstract i happen to know all these people   so like live nation for instance would be the  company you'd say [ __ ] live nation live nation   is run by a guy named jeff wills who i've known  since he managed the the punchline comedy club   in san francisco he started way back then he's a  great guy and that during all this stuff going on   there's a ton of times where jeff wills would call  me and say can i help you out and he has helped me   out in like key ways like when when i just shot my  last special called sorry we didn't know where we   were going to do it and it was pandemic and it was  tricky getting venues yeah yeah and ricky gervais   had to cancel at the hulu in the garden the the  oh yeah yeah and so jeff wills and his folks   called me and offered it to me and they helped me  make it work they're great folks and then also in   on on the industry fx was with me all i was at  fx for all of you may let you do whatever the   [ __ ] yes they were good great great people john  landgraf that runs it fx is such an interesting   place because i feel like if they had a streaming  platform they would succeed whoever is there they   have hulu now they're putting things in hula i  think people don't understand what hulu is i think   there needs to be like an education process on do  i watch old tv do i watch network tv do they have   their own maybe be the big winner because we talk  about changing behavior al and i talk about it   you always just go to netflix first instinctively  yeah i've started going let me see what's on hulu   first i understand because they have the modern  family all the like legacy shows yeah but then   they have shows from like fx like the yeah yes  that's right and they're part they got more cool   stuff for kids and they also i think are smarter  about what old stuff they keep yeah and uh people   get really frustrated in netflix because it's  kind of narrow also like i think netflix was   trying to like replace tv we were talking about  this a little bit before but yeah we don't want   tv replaced right we just want the best stories  so instead of making a million different shows   make a few that we're really interested in make  a couple movies and then have enough like what   i call like laundry tv like friends yeah like i  already know friends i've watched a million times   it's just on in the background while i'm going to  sleep or something no that's what i remember when   i was a kid and you don't watch his friends  what a [ __ ] loser pivot pivot right andrew could you be more lame i knew when i said to you i  love friends i love friends uh seinfeld that's how you'd be cool just stinks  seasons three through seven oh oh wait you're   like picky about which season i'm a seinfeld  [ __ ] when larry left it just became very silly   it's very frustrating when people reference  seasons eight and nine i'm like i can't be friends   with you you stink gotcha so you're a larry fan  well i mean larry's my guy yeah he's the best   he is the best he's just trying to get yours with  respect to louie he's the true king of comedy now   he is larry i opened for larry david years ago  when he was a stand-up what was his stand-up like   brilliant and impossible to i was the emc actually  okay and a guy named bob shaw was a headliner he   was a great comic and uh larry was this feature  act it was in cambridge massachusetts at the   catch rising star and uh so they told me  you have to watch this guy's whole set   because he blows up and leaves  a lot he walks off stage a lot   he won't do a lot of times he won't finish his  second he gets angry so they said you have to   stay in the room and be ready to jump on and oh  not for joy no no yeah i thought he was like you and i didn't know anything about him i never heard  of him and he he instantly became my favorite   comedian the audiences didn't know what to do with  him but he had these great bits like um he says i   could i if if i was complimented by joseph mengele  i would have liked him like if he paid me a copy   yeah yeah yeah and he does this thing larry david  your hair looks good to this oh really doctor and he does the thing about anti-semitism at  country clubs okay and he says that where he's   experienced it was that sometimes when you're  putting they'll say stuff to put you off the   guy's like hey larry how about the six million  that's a pretty accessible no go ahead put but   you know just weird stories very funny some of  them that became episodes oh really he did a   story a story on stage about leaving a message for  a woman that was so embarrassing on her answering   machine that he had to break into her apartment  and steal and steal the tape that was a bit of his   it's an episode of seinfeld oh yeah yeah yeah  so uh but anyway he was but he would get really   angry like santa would be quietly ordering  a beer like really people were very polite   and he'd go how could you be so rude what  kind of person you need to start screaming   at them and he'd throw money at people take  your money back and leave you [ __ ] animals   he just gets so angry and after a few shows one  night uh he really bombed and the crowd was great   they were like the best crowd we'd ever seen  that's his problem and after the show he said uh   he said what did you think of that crowd  they were awful weren't they were they awful   they were rude and just noisy and bad and it  wasn't true but i said yeah yeah guys just   being polite he goes why didn't you do something  about you're the host you're supposed to know   control the yeah it was a nightmare have you  talked about him uh to him about that since   yeah i i auditioned for the show once again and  he said i remember you i remember catch rise i   remember we worked together i didn't recount to  him right how impossible he was i just said yeah   yeah cause i was trying to get a job but i love  i love larry yeah he's great yeah yeah he's like   it's like the most pure it's like  he can't help how irritated he is   i like that that's the kind of comedy i like  is the folks that can't help it yeah and if   i can say something about yours which i really  appreciate please don't feel uncomfortable you're   already wrinkling the brow is that there's  this feeling that it's falling out of you   there are certain people that like like chris and  i love chris i grew up on chris and chris is like   this is how it is this is how it's right and yours  is almost like it's like i i just can't yeah and   there's something about it where and i've watched  you know obviously you're coming by the cell or   something like that and like i kind of watch and  especially live when you watch something that's   you know taped you're like i know that this was  prepared but watching it live yeah it feels like   it's just happening this is just happening yeah  and that's a bit of a fakery i did it as well we   all have it yes because you you you and the the  tricky thing is when bits start killing because   a lot of stuff that i do is uncomfortable when i  start saying it and i'm uncomfortable because they   are yeah but i push through it and find a joke and  together we find joy in a scary place that's what   i like to do but when bits start killing because  i know mechanically how to make them work and   i know this path i get a little smug and i start  doing jokes that are like you know super offensive   about pedophiles and just talking about hey this  is going to kill it always kills you yeah and then   the crowds look at me like what are  you why are you so confident about this   and then i readjust to like oh yeah this isn't  easy to talk about but let's get there together   um so that's that's my tricky thing to manage you  know yeah i wonder if it was that authenticity   that kind of cut through the mess like when  people found you they're like this guy's just   kind of like talking right now like this i'm gonna  make a weird comparison go for it but do you know   when i first saw kings of comedy i don't  know if you watched a great movie yeah   great i and i was so young i didn't know that  bernie was telling jokes and i was like you're   just watching a dude fall apart in front of you  this is the funniest human he was the best he   was the first year i ever did the first year they  ever had the aspen comedy festival which came and   went yeah the first year they had it they didn't  know to segregate the shows it's a funny thing   because comedy festivals are always like they  have urban nights yeah yeah yeah yeah but they   didn't just it was a new festival so like let's  just put comedians together and there was one   show that was like an all-week show that was me  mark maron bernie mac and cedric the entertainer   all four of us and it was one of  the best shows i ever was part of   to being with those guy and bernie i mean force  the one of the best comics ever to me is bernie   have you seen the five minute set he did for deaf  comedy jam [ __ ] yes it's the best so the best   mark and i were talking about this is it is it the  best just five minutes of a performance in comedy   no i mean it's been a lot of great  five-minute performances there has but like   it wasn't even the jokes right it was him reacting  to this thing that happened created a energy yes   he walked into he made def jam into something  interesting i mean def jam was possible yes it's like if billboard philadelphia was an  audition set that's right yeah i mean because def   jam made your career billboard philadelphia was a  one-off that got captured on camera and then blew   the [ __ ] up this is the set i'm in it let's get  the [ __ ] out bernie's like this makes or breaks   my career people are bombing [ __ ] everything  this is what i'm gonna do for five minutes   that's crazy to me just call the audible on the  biggest moment of your career and say this is   what it is and then bury it yes and some and both  of those had this something in common which is   not comfortable feeling attacked not happy  to be there yeah but in control of it yeah   and and weapons great great jokes yeah that's  a an enormous that's and if that's lightning   in a bottle it's very hard to yeah it should be  hard yeah it should be a hard thing to achieve   yeah you should yeah i don't want to say like you  shouldn't be able to recreate it every time but   the magic of doing it yeah that's the tricky  thing about comedy is you you it's it is a live   thing yeah i think that's and one problem that  comedians have when they make specials i think   is trying to get it trying to be slick and trying  to be in control you want it to be your great   night you want to be like a rock star you want  to be like perry como and just be like hey man   watch me work yeah yeah and i want to show that  i'm killing and there's you know yeah there's uh   smoke in the room it's beautiful but that's  not what comedy is at its best sometimes it   messes up sometimes people interrupt how do  you make it organic how do you make it pure   in that moment well you know but also you want to  be good you want to actually do it well yeah but   i remember i was getting ready for a special  once and i thought and i was talking to chris   rock who's a great mentor he's always giving me  great advice and i said i think i'm going to take   a month off before i shoot so that i'm fresh i'd  have been working really hard and he said that's a   really dumb idea he said you need to be prepared  and i go but i want to be fresh he and he said   it's i don't even i think he made this up it's  better to be prepared and pretend to be fresh   than it is to be fresh and pretend  to be prepared do you agree   a hundred percent but there is you can move the  that line somewhere where it's just where you want   it to be because it's because it's just different  it's a different product that's all yeah it's   great to watch a guy master a set yes but it's  also super one thing i used to love listen to   is jim um florentine on xm radio i like listening  to xm comedy because they just anyone can send a   tape in yeah and you hear some really [ __ ] rough  stuff yeah and he was and some of them are just   don't they're just somebody who sounds really  unsure and they're talking about their family   and the crowd's not with them yeah but florentine  is in some place in jersey and he's getting   heckled he's oh is that right sir is that right  i'm of [ __ ] well [ __ ] you sir and he's just   he's always sounds like he's uh like there's  a lot of b you can smell the beer in the place   so uh yeah i like i like comedy that way too what  do you think is something real quick on florentine   florentine had an amazing joke at the rich vos  roast did you see the rich philosophers yes   he stole the show he's amazing bro one of his  one of his jokes was uh he was a bonnie really   lived the american dream uh she moved to america  and got stupid rich yeah that's the best joke   in the world that's amazing that's a great  joke that's a great roast i love it online   bonnie goes uh bobby kelly you're up next so  if you want to start making your way up here that's a great roast oh dude it is so good you  can get it at a rich voss roast i think it's on   youtube now oh they probably are gonna hate me  for saying that well buy it there and support   it but yeah i love ritchie's [ __ ] way but yeah  florentine has some amazing [ __ ] yes man that's   good i love that we complimented bonnie and jim  but we're like and we love rich also his name's on   the website you can you can get it there yeah you  were saying about it sinbad i i think makes you   think of sinbad because it's always fresh he'll  go up i think the way he got to start is he just   had somebody read the newspaper and then he did  a whole five minutes on that and then he said   i want the joke to be different every single time  mm-hmm i want if you come to two shows in a row   the joke is always a little bit different for  you yeah that was my goal when i started doing   stand-up when i when i found out as a young  i wanted to be a stamp comic that the people   tell the same jokes every night yeah i was i was  heartbroken such a bummer yeah it really is and i   i had a goal to do this a different show every  time yeah i never got that chris chris broke that   for me rock broke that for me well yeah because  when i got more into it i like watching guys   watching how it works inside of it but when you're  a child it's all fresh to you it's all like that   that's why i don't think any comics should do the  thing that they all can't stop doing which is i   told that joke in this place you're not living  enough yeah yeah it's just a big mis they go   what yeah yeah yeah you've said this to other  people it explains for people maybe who don't know   as much as they'll tell a joke and it's to make  fun of a place so they'll make a joke that's one   version of it there are many yeah they make a joke  about something intelligent i don't know what the   joke is that they think is intelligent and then  they go i told that joke in mississippi and this   guy was like what yeah or they have something  that happened that was funny in the moment   yeah a funny exchange where they were clever to  the person yeah so they like i i told that joke   one time and this guy said this i said and guess  what i said yeah you're just in a mess of what   are you doing yeah why are you doing this but i  think that's an example of when you're not like   living enough yourself right like i think that we  can get so obsessed with stand-up and only going   on stage and not yeah your stories about last time  i was on stage something's wrong we're going dry   yeah but sinbad i remember brian regan was another  just electrically great comic one of the best of   all time but he worked with sinbad once like open  forum at a club for a week like way years ago   he told me the story that they were hanging out  in the daytime it used to be you'd like work at   club with somebody then you'd hang out all day  yeah and so like they're waiting for a bus and   it's taking a long time and sinbad's like man this  bus is never coming and he goes oh and he writes   writes it down okay and uh so then that night he  watches sinbad and he goes you ever been waiting   for the bus it's like this bus is not coming  damn man the bus never comes and that was it like   that was the whole joke well you know that was  the all day he would write jokes and the jokes   were just wet hat what he said during the day  mcdonald's said it when he didn't montreal sinbad   again montreal is another thing that makes your  whole career he has like his tie seven minutes   norm does it he's worked on forever him and  sinbad are going to buy socks the day of the   show or the night before the show and then it's  like super hard to buy socks and then norm goes   out and does his tight seven minutes gets in gets  out does it like he rehearsed it a thousand times   sinbad goes up he's like yo why is it so hard  to buy socks in montreal wholesale on socks   crushes yeah yeah so what do you have what  something that these stories tell you in common is   that sinbad hangs out he's a nice guy yeah hangs  out with other comics he says you wanna go back   you know he's one of the most underrated was that  harder for you as you got more famous and there   are more people like wanting things from you like  in your heyday was it hard hard for you you're   the big guy right now you no no i dominate most  of that yeah i mean i don't give as much space   for other people no no but i just feel like you  were in a different position because i think you   had more platforms to give opportunities yeah you  know like when you have a show i think every time   there's an interaction it's like you you're almost  auditioning oh am i going to be on this new season   i mean i did give a lot of guys uh in my show  a lot of a lot of people in my show were comics   i love you using comedians why um first of  all i like stand-up comics it's my community   i love them and i care about them i mean  it's goofy but i do and so uh and i like   seeing somebody and thinking what if he gave  him a shot and seeing what happens um like i   remember i was in australia it's the only time  i ever went there and i went to melbourne first   and i went into a comedy club and it was the  only place i'd been for a long time that nobody   knew who i was and there was a young kid there  named rob something thomas anyways a young   really really nerdy nervous guy and all his jokes  were perfect and the crowd was like what is this   [ __ ] but then they started loving his jokes  and i was going the next night to sydney to play   the big opera house and like the only building  in the whole country that anybody recognizes   yeah and so i said to this kid why don't you come  with me to sydney open for me he lost it and he   was like okay i don't i do i had he said i have  a gig in adelaide but i'll try to get out of here and he got out of his gig and i took him and i  loved being in the wings what and he was looking   at his set list and he looked and i said to  him i've been in this position a lot i've   given somebody a shot yeah and i said don't worry  about the spectacle just these jokes just think   about your jokes yeah and and he destroyed  another person like that was lynn copplets   there's a woman who i love she's so funny yeah and  she's spun her wheels for a lot of years just a   seller comic works hard yeah but nobody was going  after lynn coppolis for a big great perspective   too yes like lynn's comedic perspective i think  is really interesting really unique and very raw   and real yeah and uh i didn't even know her that  was how we became friends i was doing the garden   and i had a couple openers and i thought  i wanted one more and i just told somebody   get lynn copplets tonight to open for me at the  garden and she came to madison square garden   and uh she was serious and nervous i  had hope for her because she wasn't   yeah like nervous like talking she was just  serious locked in and she went up there and it was   like the stars a star is born like she was wearing  this flowy thing and she was just out to the crowd   yeah and they were in love with her and it killed  me it made me so happy it's like the best feeling   you'll emotionally even think about it i do it  makes me want to cry it was a beautiful feeling   we've been very close since then yeah but that is  so rewarding to me it's almost in a sense it can   be better than personal success on stage because  you don't get to enjoy your work that way you're   in the middle of it you're in the middle you've  got to deliver yeah yeah you can't go like this   is great yeah but you can do it when it's somebody  else yeah yeah all right guys we're going to take   a break for a second because i need to tell you  all about athletic greens okay just listen up   for one goddamn second about athletic greens okay  with one delicious scoop of this right here ag-1   you're absorbing 75 high-quality vitamins  minerals whole foods source superfoods probiotics   and adaptogens to help you start your 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could be something   so like somebody's saying something about your  teeth but i remember like watching you go up there   right you had a great joke about it  right yeah the [ __ ] eye what was the   oh maybe the uh ray devito was coming to  this i said i'm really self-conscious about   my teeth and he said you should just get  some crest whitening strips yeah yeah yeah   no i meant that they're crooked but now  and then there was a tagline but thanks now   i forget how the rest of the joke goes but it  was just it was like i'm watching this person   up there it was like i had two feelings  i had one feeling which is like a hyper   focus on the things that you're insecure about  like how does that affect the rest of your day   but also i was like a crowd watching you can't not  laugh if the jokes are funny yeah like it is like   they don't have to experience this if you're  comfortable with it and i would watch you   every single time there i and i literally  sit there and think i'd be like wow man   one that's really difficult to do because  you have to be painfully honest with your   [ __ ] self and the things you feel most insecure  about and then find a way to be funny about it   and i wonder if that is kind of what drew you  to that's what i love about joe yeah is that   he's very vulnerable on stage and he's very  uh he's it's a very generous thing to invite   people to laugh at you at the things that  upset you more than anything in the world   not things that you're mad about i'm sick  of this [ __ ] but like i can't handle this   yeah and then he is a joke smith he makes he  crafts great jokes he's gotten better and better   at it yeah the first version of joe i ever saw was  more rhythmic and he was a joke and then he used   to do it and it was a joke but then he got out  of that and started to really breathe and talk   that's when you get more comfortable up there  right when you lose the formula a little bit   but yeah is it but yes it made me very happy to  take this kid to you know israel to he opened for   me at the garden he opened for me at the forum in  los angeles and in stadiums all over the country   and all over europe all over the world and it was  a great it was and he's from where i grew up yeah   so that makes me very happy okay is there ever a  place that you went to that like maybe was foreign   and they don't understand the self-deprecation it  was a ton i mean i ate [ __ ] a lot in europe it   was tough israel and then he kept being like i  want you to do that thing you said on the plane   today yeah yeah and i'm like but there's like 12  000 people yeah and then louie would be like you   [ __ ] bailed on it man you bailed and i'm like  well this is unusual i'm doing a joke for the   first time in front of 14 000 israelis yeah cold  going up cold yeah no no he'd always be like say   that the [ __ ] you said in the plane that's  really funny and i'd be like uh uh the wizard   of oz is just what and i'm like looking like  what did i even say i don't know like dance the wizard of oz joke was a i didn't know cause  bill cosby was in the wizard of oz yeah they sing   a song because because because which is a joke  i came up when i was six and he's like do that   yeah no because for me my openers i don't need  them to kill i'd rather if they do the same 10   minutes that kills every night i'm just getting  bored i like to watch something before i go on   stage it doesn't matter what they're going to  do doesn't matter if they when i go up there   it's just that they stirred the pot and got things  going right right right i do like following people   that kill because it makes a better room  i kill also i don't want to make it like   it sounds like i just like he was killing he had  a killer set and i would ask him to break it down   and add new stuff and change it and try things  yeah for your own personal it's also terrifying   yeah for him because it's also like yeah but i  don't want to do this [ __ ] story in front of 14   000 people bomb my ass off yeah that's right but  i didn't care how he felt about that yeah and i   knew it was a better road to him getting for girls  i also had one at the guard so we did the garden   oh yeah you did eight in one year i think and we  did i did three with shows at the gym i did eight   total i did five five one year i did three one  got snowed out and then the next year i did five   and so i did over the same yeah whatever i did  three of them he was using three openers doing   seven minutes and one of them we started to become  close he said it's just you tonight i want you to   do 20. and i think my suspicion is that it was the  last show to go on sale was like it was the people   that were finally like all right i guess i'll go  see louie so and then he had a tough set also so   i did 20 minutes at the garden twenty minute like  i'm almost like 25 i think and i was eating [ __ ]   and i almost there's a you know how like sometimes  you do a joke and one person laughs and you go   this guy i got it i almost did that and caught  myself in the garden because i did a bit and   there was a guy in section 430 that went and i was  like i'm not gonna say that but literally fourteen   thousand people and one guy here one left chuckled  and i ate i wanted to kill myself and then groupon yeah yeah afterwards he i had a  hard set louis struggled but yeah   and then we were like miserable after  but i don't know i guess you can see   in the garden and there's going to be certain  circumstances but i think humor also like evolves   with uh the country or culture that's adapting  to it right so like stand up is like newer for   certain places so i think the first version  is like they use puppets and [ __ ] right   like you look at like a russian humor  they're still like even early on they're   still using like these characters and then  i wonder if what eventually happens is   like they'll catch on to self-deprecation  and they'll set catch on to like more i   don't want to calm like sophisticated versions  of humor but i think it takes a little bit for   audiences to well it's cyclical and america's  cyclical i mean comedy is here to stay right   uh but it does go in cycles so there's some times  where sarcasm gets very popular and then there's   times where joke jokes get more popular and you  get guys like hedberg and stephen wright there's   always a little of something i have a theory  on that yeah i think it's a reflection of uh how do i say it when you can say anything absurd things are  funnier when you feel restricted in your speech   that's true comedy fills a need yes comedy is  in need it's not it's not just like music or   something music is a need obviously for some  people they just die without their their we   always need love regardless of what's happening in  your country but comedy is something that people   need that feels uh avoid and and it heals yeah so  yes when people need more escape they want more   absurd humor yes when people are i need to feel  confident they want to go what's really going   on and then they dig down deeper yeah so and  i think that's natural so i mean and i i think   the thing you have to do is keep being the same  kind of comic and just hope it hits you let the   sun go up and down yeah there's some times where  it's like right now or it's got it's coming back   but there was a time where being a contrarian yes  i'm going to talk about something you don't want   to hear became very unpopular yes and the thing  to do when that happens for me is not to like   spend your time saying that these people are wrong  it's just you're out of the sun you're out of the   sun for a while yeah but you keep it going because  there's always also there's somebody who if you're   some comedians get very greedy for love like if  i'm not in the big if i'm not in the zeitgeist   i'm failing yeah but you still got your crowd  yeah they're still coming to see you and hear it   so you do it for them and at some point maybe the  goofy people who give out awards and stuff will go   this is good but that's what that's seasonal  this can come and go but if you chase it around   no you don't you're not yourself anymore yeah  yeah yeah i'm always yeah i'm always curious   about those ebbs and flows do you find your like  joe do you find that it it wanes on you a little   bit like that hyper focus on these things that  are difficult for you but you have to balance that   emotionally yeah i guess i mean sometimes it's  hard it's so hard to talk about comedy i think   without sounding like well yeah well andrew um i  don't know i don't what's the question i'm sorry   i guess like like like like the hyper focus on the  vulnerable things in your life does that make you   maybe insecure does that make you well i start  to run out of them and then what's weird now for   me is like i used to be so anxious my whole life  was about being anxious and i got that together   yeah through sobriety and meditation and stuff  so i don't really have that anymore so now my   act is more about [ __ ] taking shots or something  and so uh it's a different kind of that's anxiety   into inducing yeah yeah because you're like do  i not have the thing that i cared about that i   was it's like this is not it but like a like a fat  comic that loses weight like i think they're like   big comics they're like scared to lose weight  yeah because they're like am i going to lose   what i'm good at yeah right yeah no look i i have  made my first splash with stuff about my kids   yeah and i'm not in that role anymore my kids are  growing up now so um so i had to you know you got   to let go of stuff that's from a certain part of  your life yeah the basics are still always there   that life is hard and it's lonely yeah so you find  it through different but yeah the stuff i've been   doing is more abstract now than yeah yeah sure  but you had abstract even early yeah i started   out with goofy strange jokes yeah and then i  didn't like it anymore it didn't feel like it   was felt limited it wasn't it was that wasn't fun  can i piss will that be a problem tank if i leave   dude i think the show will be all right joe joe go  pee there's no rush there's no anything great oh   god you think you think that um okay so like larry  found his calling right it was like these ideas   didn't work on stage but they worked beautifully  on film yeah yeah can you look at a comic and go   oh [ __ ] if he another example and chappelle  was was like you in that like he was masterful in   two mediums right sketch sure but also in stand-up  beautiful yeah but can you like see certain guys   on stage and go ah [ __ ] those are brilliant  ideas and on film they would work but well not   just like the voice what would that person be like  on film i think of that you know there's people   like that like there's a comedian in new york  maria marina franklin yeah works out at wtf yes   she does and i think that she should be on film  doing something she has this wonderful musical   voice and very uh you just love her and she could  be she she could i think would be a big star if   she was on tv or movies or something like that so  i look at people like that or like this kid ian   is great his act is just so frenzied and he  kind of runs through an idea and then dumps   it and so he's kind of a mess on stage yeah  but you just i want to see him in a movie   like dog day afternoon or something i want to  watch him rob a bank or something like that   it's the energy great voice yeah yeah yeah yeah  but that's another reason i like using comics   in film because you can put them in their strong  suits yeah the actors are cool because they're an   empty vessel so you can give them an instruction  and give them a story and a character and they   can mold it and make it into a person it's a great  art but comedians are what they are and if you can   take them and then kind of guide them through  listening and through getting through scenes   and some are good at that and some aren't but uh  that's that's i love doing that that's really fun   that's why i like using that and also they're good  pressure players what do you mean if you tell an   actor if an actress is tanking uh yeah you can't  tell them they'll fall apart yes they will they   will fall apart yeah you got to say that was great  yeah build them up yeah that was so good and just   let's try this yeah and the this was awful you're  trying to get them to the thing but you can go up   to a comedian and say this dude you [ __ ] stink  that was not it and they go oh yeah yeah okay   [ __ ] because they don't want to fail yeah and  they're facing failure all the time on stage like   every single show could go badly yeah yeah  yeah so you just go no that's bad it's bad man   i work better with positive reinforcement with  acting because i'm so insecure about my acting   so like if if like the key grips and [ __ ] are  laughing like i'm looking for like the people yeah   that's no good that's not good you gotta get off  that it's not i don't know because the grips are   just bored and they're not gonna help you they're  not you're they're not your friends i'm literally   treating it like an open mic i was in a movie that  with uh that woody allen directed yeah and i did   it ad-lib and it when he said cut everyone i got  applause because they were so funny and i was like   i felt really good and then i saw him walking  towards me and i was like no whoops he was like   he was very nice but he was like that was good  it was funny let's do what i need here let's do   what's needed and i was like you know i got it i  got it and he goes no it's good maybe i'll use it   but let's but give me the one with this that i  want that i need do you think woody allen did it none of my business by the time we had  some [ __ ] good questions yeah i mean   what are we talking about over here there's a guy  uh very funny comic stavros hocus do you know he's   obviously met him he's an aries yeah he's a  he's a hilarious guy he had a hilarious bit   about uh pythagoras yeah and he's like uh he's  like listen i sell i separate the art from the   artist i go what do you mean he goes listen i  still use that pythagorean theorem all the time what did pythagoras do a squared plus b squared  equals c squared what was the scandal oh he was asking the theorem you know the hypotenuse for one moment no uh he's probably [ __ ] little boys like they  all did back then i guess but everybody was freak   everybody was yeah even the little boys  were [ __ ] little boys is that true   i don't know no they were [ __ ] adults i  wasn't i'm not that old they weren't [ __ ]   the adults actually you're right which is wrong  kids shouldn't [ __ ] adults no [ __ ] blood they're complicit uh i wonder if that made  the kids feel better like if you were like   michelangelo's boy and like you got to look  at the you know the sistine chapel and yeah   could have gone anyway though you don't have to  [ __ ] michelangelo to see the sistine chapel   no but like you saw the work and you were like  that's me like yo you helped him get the music   like i mean maybe that was fulfilling  yeah and if the work was bad it was like   i got [ __ ] in the ass and that's what you mean the big reveal to the boys are you [ __ ] kids on the ceiling [ __ ] dude  um you should watch star wars special it's   amazing yeah check it out on youtube he's  really funny he's great um fourth of july   yes it's our movie can i don't want to do the film   hey tell us about it whatever but  like can you can you tell us about it   you know i want people to know about i want people  to go out and support it and they can buy it now   that's another thing right it's going to be when  is this on ideally we put it out tomorrow okay so   then saturday so it's coming up okay it's drops on  my website perfect yes louis ck.com that's right   and can you give us a breakdown of the story  how this even came to be why should people go   see this it's like it's a it's a family movie it's  like well it's about a family it's about a family   movie it's not for a family yeah we say [ __ ] and  yes [ __ ] [ __ ] a lot of [ __ ] a lot of [ __ ] well that's that's right in character we say it yes and what is the  story uh the story is about um it's about a guy   uh who um i'm much better with just  zingers you know okay so it's about a guy   it's about a guy who's a new york um young fella  uh and he's anxious living in a river of anxiety   just con never stops coming and he's just is  this okay is this all right uh no just living   that way all the time but he's living that way  yeah he's kind of on a cruise control of anxious   uh you know uh um living yes and sober he has he's  sober uh he's you know working at it he's an aaa   he's got a sponsor who he's not doing a great  that's fine he's late to his sponsor meeting and   it's that's also a little tough for him and he's  married and he has a nice easy relationship with   this woman that he just that's his light that's  his nice that's where he's confident and happy   when he's with her uh but the rest of his life is  kind of a mess and he's also a jazz pianist and he   succeeds there he feels good when he's playing  jazz piano um and uh he goes to therapy and i'm   his therapist and um he so anyway he um he just  he's he asked his wife when he sees i'll tell the   main scene because i think it's the turning point  he sees his wife texting with her friend while   she's in the bathroom but he sees it on her on her  computer screen and he and he sees he's about to   see something and he closes it but it makes him  anxious and he asks his wife he goes i'm just   do you say something to your friends about me that  i just i don't is there something that you don't   that and she just says i am not fulfilled because  we don't have a kid that's what i really wanted   we never did it and so i'm not happy and he just  the last thing he expected was it was something   very real not about him and his quirks but um  your wife and your wife the light of your life   is not okay yeah and he says what but why do you  just stop talking about having a kid she says   yeah because yes and he sort of gleans from a  you you don't you don't think i could be a dad   and it's a horrible realization to him and he  comes to his therapist and he says what do i do   and i kind of go well yeah you know it's okay and  he realizes his therapist and his wife everyone   gave up on him ever stepping up and being a father  being a man and that life is passing him by and so   he what he keys on is that his parent he has this  terrible fear and anxiety about his parents that   they that they showed him no love that he doesn't  know how to be loved so he's going to go to back   home to maine where his parents are from boston  and they go to maine every summer and he's going   to confront them he's going to confront all this  [ __ ] and he's going to get it out of himself   so he goes there and it's it's just his family  is just this melee of just [ __ ] boston ego id   people that just say whatever they want they  drink like crazy and they're offended that he   doesn't drink because he's sober and he's trying  to find a moment where he can claim his manhood   there and so that's really what it's about it's  about him going home and trying to do that hunting   the demons yeah and then those people are you know  and nick apollo nails this character as his uncle   tony v these two guys are like the twin towers of  like [ __ ] boston hate yeah and uh and but love   too they're mad at him for being sober because  they love him and they miss when he was a   loser like they are yeah yeah which is what  it is to grow up in boston really and and so   it's that's him trying to deal with that and  it's all just flailing and [ __ ] up and uh   and hijinks ensues and hides it's funny and it's  sad and it's did this happen to you because you're   married yeah this sounds very autobiographical  it's all very real therapists basically   it's all very real there's a lot of stuff taken a  lot of actual dialogue from my real life and then   we heightened the family of course and then the  mother in the movie is more like sociopathic louis   kind of created the mother cat the mother was sort  of like women in boston that i grew up around that   fascinated me these powerful women yeah that say  things in lyrical they use big words sometimes   like what the one i pointed out when we were  looking at it yesterday that she says by by the   grace of god you're in this family and by my wrath  you'll be out you know that's how boston women   talk so that mother character was this opportunity  to create these and that the characters like the   mother is a great actress she's we if you populate  a movie with the comedians let them sharp shoot   but then you have actors that can really drive at  home yeah and that was and robert kelly is he's   obviously he's both yeah because robert's a great  comic but he's actually a virtuoso actor yeah he   could do anything yeah so he plays his sponcy it's  really it's a good movie it is good damn good i'm   damn proud of it and it's feels and it's not from  me it's the thing i loved about it was i was sort   of in service of joe he really wanted to make  a movie i didn't have a story in me at the time   and so we had we mixed some ideas that  we both had but it was really his story   um so i got to just direct and get get his  vision up i feel bad that i didn't see it   before you guys came yeah you [ __ ] up mark  saw it yeah he went to the theater did you like   it i did i thought it was wonderful i saw it  on the i don't even remember on the one of the   centers yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah i thought  it was great is that the east village though yeah village cinemas and we premiered at  the beacon there was like 2 000 people   killed so joe's telling me that and i think  that's the craziest thing like seeing a movie with   two thousand people seeing an action movie when  there's a couple hundred people in a movie theater   feels great so yeah comedy i remember seeing the  first hangover at a sold-out theater and then   laughing with other people in it great feeling  it's awesome it's [ __ ] amazing well that's   what we discovered with this we got a very small  distributor to we just went out to each place and   first we did these big premieres where we got to  be there and watch people laugh but then the great   thing was hearing because what we would do we  we're sort of in the middle so like amc theaters   gave us like 72 cities in one night seven o'clock  on a wednesday all over and then it's done but we   packed all of those yeah screenings and then added  shows and we kept getting reports and he got a lot   of feedback on instagram people saying that they  were there that they loved that they were there   and they all laughed together and people would  applaud at the end this is what's great about   film and people keep saying like well the movie  theaters are dying well if you give them a little   blood it all comes back because that experience  that's right is unmatched yeah we were supposed   to do like one week some but we were we're there  we just kept holding over at the lemley in la kept   getting held over kept getting held over here  and then these one one-night screenings kept   moving around to different cities and packing  the places and joe said that they were blown   away by the amount of money it made and i won't  say that the number because i know how sensitive   you are with that but it was like multiple times  but it's not a lot of money but for for theaters   we did way better than we expected and this is  with really we didn't really advertise very much   no promo your email list the email list and then  his and his social media stuff and a few podcasts   and uh but it was word of mouth the thing that  was crazy was watching the theaters where it   was in consecutive nights it would increase every  night yeah every night and uh we realized that we   hit on something for for people that they're into  the guy who distributed is a very old-school guy   he said he would like to because  it's the non-algorithmic movie   it doesn't have a thing like a person's name or an  issue it's just a movie about failing people yeah   and you can work this algorithm is supposed to be  so genius but it is limited because it only knows   what it knows it doesn't know anything outside  of itself it doesn't have the ability to include   something like well no one thought that was going  to work yeah so and it's all an experiment for me   i'd never done a theatrical release independently  and this is the first time i've put a movie on my   website and it's the first time we've done those  two both things it was theatrical first so i   don't know how it's going to do was it cool to see  laughs oh sorry go yeah probably similar question   what's it like watching your movie crush versus  crushing as a stand-up it was weird because we   found first of all it's about my life so it's  drama to me and the whole time we were writing   louis was like we're writing a comedy and i'm like  no we're writing a drama the classic thing reminds   me of the mel brooks story about you ever see they  asked him between comedy and drama and he says   drama is i get a paper cut on my thumb and  i'm i'm bleeding and i get a band-aid and   i call my wife and i keep pouring peroxide  on it and i'm checking on it that's drama   comedy is you're walking down the  street you fall in a hole and die yeah   what do i care so that's how i felt i was like  this is a drama and it's all very dramatic and   we cut out a lot of jokes and then we played  it at the theater at the beacon and there   was huge laughs in places thousands of people  that's another thing like yeah you don't watch   movies in front of thousands not usually well and  the beacon theater was a movie theater it was open   as a movie theater it was a movie theater all the  way till the 70s yeah from like the 20s to the 70s   so that's how people used to watch movies together  and the rich people down there the poor people up   here yeah and everybody watched together that's  how they watched stand up yeah that's right   in my theater i got a laugh before the movie even  started like just from the text that comes up on   screen i want to say this but there's just a text  element that comes on like in the very intro you   got a big laugh yeah i think that's cool is  because sometimes those moments like uh it   and it's an edit really it's like an editor's  choice to like put a reaction here gets this   big explosive laugh that you would never [ __ ]  think because you're like painstakingly looking   over every line that you say and every delivery  of this and sometimes people are just engaged   by the character sometimes the character just  being themself in the moment is what's going to   end that's right and i didn't know what i had with  joe i thought i was prepared for needing to teach   him how to the basics of acting and how to not  just be waiting to deliver your funny yeah but to   and he's the lead character so he can't he can't  be a sniping comic just with moments that you can   cut around he had to carry the movie yeah and so  i had no idea how it would be but i was dug in for   i'm going to have to you know because my thing  is it's not we're going to get it it's going to   be good but how long is it going to take that's  good so if you suck my movie's not going to be   bad yeah you're just gonna be here all day yeah  yeah yeah and i'll figure it out yeah i'll use   other people and i'll figure out how i'm gonna  cut it that i'm gonna get around you that you   suck how much does it but he but he i just want to  finish it so you please please yeah why i said it   he was an automatic he was just he was an easy  automatic it was it was such a first of all a huge   relief and it let me put attention on everything  else that was going on i'd just be like yeah he's   got it he's got it he every every take a virtuoso  if you will he was just there but not just that   he was playing himself which isn't as easy as it  sounds it's harder it is i think in a sense but   also just the way he listened to folks it made  me comfortable knowing i can always cut to him   if nothing else is working because he's really in  it yeah and i feel for him in the in every shot   yeah and he's funny i i wonder if it's  easier for comics to do drama because when we're on stage a lot of times we're being  serious about these things they just happen   to be funny yeah a good comic is a comic  who's uh uh believable who's really in it   yes they are better as dramatic actors which and  then being a comedic actor is being serious about   something that you know is absolutely ridiculous  like will ferrell is he's playing a character but   the character believes everything the character  is not trying to be funny he's not trying to say   like a core uh quip or whatever like that yeah  so i think sometimes you see comics do these like   dramatic roles you're like how the [ __ ] they  pull that off and it's like well that's closer to   stand up and also probably convincing it probably  removes the i don't need laughs where we always   have that need like if i'm not getting laughs i'm  getting insecure yeah i'm starting to whatever   overact or whatever yeah it's a drama and i don't  hear the key grips laughing who cares they're not   supposed to laugh yeah all that weight is off me  now we're just in this thing and living in the   moment like we would on stage yes yeah and and my  i'm like a straight man essentially in the movie   how annoying is that though that was fun for me i  mean because i i've been there i've been to dark   places they're just trying to recreate these dark  things yeah it's easier to act i mean that's like   a famous quote from uh peter um sellers people  sellers peter salad said it's uh it's easy to   pretend to be serious you can't pretend to be  funny yes so it's a lot easier to pretend to be   yeah to be in it upset yeah yeah yeah um does  that make sense i have a question for you the industry acceptance when you were like on  your mountaintop the industry you especially   because you worked your way up through the  industry and that's the only way to get in   in the industry you were the darling everything  this guy does is amazing groundbreaking etc is   that addictive because after 2017 it's not there  anymore but you're still putting out the same   product the fans still like it the same so is that  something that you feel like man [ __ ] i missed   that or is it like nah i'm still putting out the  same product very good one of the better yeah what if you switch seats that might be better  please try yeah that's a great idea yeah that   way you could kind of yeah i'm gonna but i  like the question from over there better though   it's too late it might be the trick  yeah yeah yeah who is that on your   i i get sent sweatshirts and then shout outs  to alexander pappas he sent me this oh i think   who are you it's akash she's the comedian who's in  there he's he's a comedian but uh is he even funny   it's very fun together thank you thank you  for you gotta get out of here you gotta   get started more than just good questions  dude you gotta sign these you gotta watch   there's a lot of guys i don't know a lot of  people they're more there's more than sirius xm   with comedy yes uh your question was  oh yeah so it was actually a great   discovery for me because i didn't know what  it would be like because when you're there   and we're taking private jets to do stadiums which  is kind of a grind it's not it's not really what   got me into comedy which is the big stuff and i've  also never been comfortable with uh big fame the   big like oh my god famous just it doesn't make me  feel like a per i like feeling like a person yeah   so when somebody treats you bigger than that or  less than that both stink to me yeah it just makes   me uncomfortable i don't i can't i don't identify  with that and the industry i knew it from i mean   i've been doing this for 37 years so that i was  in it long enough to know that when i was getting   a lot of acceptance from there i was like yeah  right like i know this is short-lived i know this   is conditional yeah and i know a lot of it is  just wind you know it's not really but again   it's there's actual human beings involved i had  partners in the industry who had really meaningful   relationships with who i'm really grateful  to like like fx yeah i mean fx even after my   series louie is on my website now they let me have  it yeah and i mean i paid for that i paid them   right but they did that's an unusual thing i i  they took it down from every other service and   they gave it to me and i you can only get on  my website now that was a really great thing   and they did that for me so that's a human thing  to do yeah but anyway what i found out was when   i just needed to just work again and sometimes  just comedy clubs there is this fear when you're   up there if i ever had to just go back to the  funny bone sitting next to the soda machine is it   out into the room the smell of fried food what i  may just have kill myself right if i go back but i   got back there and i was so happy yeah i loved it  it's because i just love telling the [ __ ] jokes   and i'm closer to the crowd and the money you  make as a stand-up selling out a comedy club   over a weekend is ridiculous it's close to my  that's enough point is just i mean they give you   the whole [ __ ] door and it's insanely good money  so money wise i was like i can live on that yeah   i and then make it and the fans pay less which  is something that's right and then when you make   and then you make and then when you get little  bumps like hey i'm back in the theaters this is   so [ __ ] fun didn't know if i'd be back in the  theaters but it's just doing the work was plenty   i don't miss that [ __ ] at all the being the  mountaintop a mountaintop is a place you visit   you don't [ __ ] live there you don't live in  a tent sucking oxygen it's actually not fun   up there it's a goal but it's not a life it's a  place to visit and it's a place to be seen from   miles around so you can collect i have fans now  from a lot of different places all over europe i   play all over the world because of the opportunity  i was given by those people yeah in hollywood to   get up high but now i've got i've they're with  me i was smart enough to collect them on my own   to find a way to get directly to them yeah did  you i don't miss being like [ __ ] red carpets   and being in on lists and that kind of stuff i  think comics are too self-aware to enjoy that   to enjoy that stuff that like red carpet they  love it a lot of them love it some people   need that they like that's their indicator that  they are live that's their indicator that they're   going that they're doing something yeah i think  that's sad that's not that's not sustainable and   it's also not based on you it's based on a trend  i got a lot of attention that didn't i didn't have   coming to me yeah i i'm proud of the work i did  but i'm it's got it was like are you kidding me   like when i saw comics looking at me going like  dude enough i agreed with him i'm like it's like   yeah i'm sure you were it's just like it was  enough already yeah and it was like oh you   know you don't want to be that guy right you know  so there's a uh jerry seinfeld to quote your boy   jerry seinfeld was accepting an award for my  boy yeah we accept the award for something i   forget what it was peabody award on something  that's a great video so it's like the philly   birthing it was and he's up there and he goes i  don't want to be here i want to be in the back   with a bunch of comics making fun of this  whole stupid thing that we're all here for   yeah and yeah that's that's what you have and i  think that's what we have i mean it's stupid the   red carpet thing is dumb all of it is done yeah if  the people they love you what the [ __ ] else do   you need you don't need these five guys you don't  need that you don't need the press you don't need   them saying that there are good versions of  all of that yeah it's cool to read a review   of your work that's well written that's thoughtful  that's positive sure that feels good but i would   if it's between that and the audience  getting off on it not even the audience   loving and coming but the audience get  knowing that you're hitting them yeah   then the rest of it can go [ __ ] itself it's  meaningless i have a follow-up based on what   you said about getting your own emails and not  liking the mountaintop did you do that knowing   i don't want to be here for long did you do that  with like i'm getting the [ __ ] out of this whole   thing that i'm in well i know that people don't  stay up there that's always been clear to me so i   always knew that was temporary he said in an  opi in anthony interview they're like they're   like you're doing private jets you got all  this kind of stuff and you're like yeah it's   not going to last it's not kent yeah yeah  when i first got my show at fbx which wasn't   dead right dead right when i first got my show at  fx john landgraf who became my friend who runs the   place he's just sent me he asked me if i'd ever  seen the shield what was their first big success   great show so he sent me ten it was dvds then  sent me all of the ten seasons and i lost my mind   watching the shield yeah yeah i watched all ten  seasons and i was obsessed with every character   and every actor and you can tell when they're  making the show the way they walk on the set   they're like i'm on a hit yeah i'm on a hit yeah  that's i can do anything after this none of those   people are working anymore none of them michael  chiklis is a monster you can't even see his face   and all those other when they were like you  know i mean some of walton goggins is like fine   keeps finding work and he's a great voice yeah  but but they're not what they were on that show   and they were winning everything and  they were all anybody was talking about   and that's not a bad story that's a good story  you get to be this shining thing yeah but you   got to give it up you got to be willing to give  it up and dismount like you know i was dismounted and i'm grateful for that because i don't know  i don't know what i i don't know what it would   have been like i don't know i did prepare for it  well that's yeah yes i did but uh but the trip   down no matter how it's done i think it's rough  it's for anybody is it cool nobody gives it up on   purpose nobody goes like that's i've had it that's  enough yeah only george washington that's right   pearl jam did they give it up though they actively  stopped doing interviews stopped making music   videos and made themselves much smaller and now  they're a huge touring band they can still do   stadiums here and they'll do fenway park or safe  coat field yeah but a lot of people i'm a big   pearl jam guy i've seen them 42 times and i'll say  i'm going to pearl gin they go pearl jam are they   together because they have a very healthy thing  yeah they sell out we go to all the shows you meet   people that go oh i'm seeing six shows eight shows  but they're not they're putting out records that   kick ass there's no grammys there's no platinum  records you know when i learned like steven wright   i came from boston and he was the first phenom  out of boston in my in the 80s and everybody loved   stephen wright yeah he was in he was in tarantino  movies he was you know made he got an oscar for a   short film he was just you know [ __ ] and gold  and uh and then he found this perfect cruising   altitude he still today goes out to all the best  cities works really sweet theaters and makes a   damn good income yeah just doing that and it and  it's about his fans and his voice and you know   so he got big enough to look for that cruising  altitude to be pretty decent that what comic   thinks we straddling both worlds well is burr  burr's got the love he's got the industry but   he also doesn't seem to care about any of it he's  doing his own thing got his podcast still got his   netflix specialists but just like i'm doing me all  the time but has like it seems like he's right out   of the crosshairs of like mainstream news you  know like and i think that's kind of where you   want to be like when you become the thing that  gets clicks for a headline like that's what   i mean it was rogan goes through all the [ __ ]  time now elon's going through it but it's like   when you get to operate and i want to make my  cool [ __ ] and put it out and people enjoy   it that's the best it keeps you going and and  the other stuff is it you live or die by it and   it's very tumultuous it's like heavy heavy uh uh  turbulence yeah yeah yeah and so it's not a good   way to it's not a good way to it's a good thing  to ride for a minute yeah yeah and then people   remember man that guy rode that for a little while  yeah but i did also when i was up there i did say   no to stuff that i thought would be like that's  going to that's going to put me beyond where i   can get home from it oh really you know like what  somebody asked me if i wanted to be george jetson   uh in a live action yeah that's my one  impression i do the jetson's vehicle   that's [ __ ] so good that's a great  impression it's awesome it's also   eclipse there's a uh there was a rumor you were  gonna be in the new wakanda movie the new black   panther you were gonna replace that's right  yes yeah you said no to that for some reason   i don't like black people i thought that  was the reason that there's no offense listen i know i know you guys probably got  to go i don't want to take that anymore   uh nothing okay black guy has no  questions but let's see the film yeah we're obviously huge fans both of you guys and  thank you guys very much for taking the time   and it's uh i really i really do admire what  you guys are doing and i'm really grateful for   what you did and i know it's uncomfortable to  browse furrowing but i i mean this sincerely   that that i wouldn't be able to do it without  you doing it and that means a lot to me so   thank you everyone for somebody else so good  for you hopefully thank you all right man   thank you luisa can join us everybody

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