White Cartel Dealer Explains How To SURVIVE Prison

what's up everybody Welcome to flagrant and today we are joined by a nice and Charming white kid from Portland that threw it all away to become a drug kingpin yeah moving wait for the Sinaloa cartel pushing that [ __ ] for the Italian mafia got locked up didn't snitch got out snitching on everybody [Music] okay so that is that is the thing that I was most curious because obviously I'm seeing all your stuff we were talking earlier about it you know on shorts and I'm not the YouTube videos and I'm like you didn't you didn't snitch you took the time no no they offered me a deal they came back like multiple times like I was in the county jail locked up you know in solitary and they just send dudes down every week like hey did you change your mind you change your mind there's still time like all the way up to the date of my sentencing and did they know exactly who they were going for they knew your connect they knew everything no no no they knew almost nothing okay that's why okay so that's the reason if they if they come and arrest you yeah and say nothing you're [ __ ] what did they do when they just say come with me we've got a warrant out like you're done yeah it means they already have an indictment they have you on a wire they don't need anything from you exactly but when when I got the day I got arrested they spent hours interrogating me that means they don't it's like no poker when you have a good hand you're quiet and when you're bluffing you're blustery and Loud incorrect so so criminals forget that too right it's like they stumble over themselves trying to talk their way out of it if they keep asking you questions it means they've got a nugget but yeah yeah like they're trying to get you to spill the beans so I just clammed up you know you had enough separation between you and the cartels and the mafia well here's the thing I wasn't working for the cartels that was just The Re-Up that was just the connect okay let them know so I don't work for you I don't know it'll work for me [Laughter] that's crazy are they not Mexicans but they are it's a Mexican cartel yeah the way you said it just felt good that was [ __ ] up at Home Depot bro that was crazy like there's other places you can meet them at well that's how I met them that's how I met them [Laughter] so no no they tried to get me to work for him at one point though oh really yeah so I oh so I would go to them and I'd say okay give me like 50 joints give me 50 pounds right and they saw I was moving it so quick so they would be like hey why don't I give you 50 more you know pay you come back yeah you pay me when you want to give you on consignment exactly and I'm like no no no I'm not taking [ __ ] from you because there's no way when you're in their debt if something [ __ ] up it's like now I owe you 150 racks okay hold on I got a question about that will they ever give you [ __ ] have someone rob their own [ __ ] from you so you're now in debt to them no no way no way they're super logical dude Mexicans believe it or not just like just like me and you [Laughter] I mean in Mexico if they want you to smuggle some [ __ ] they might kidnap a family member and be like you have to mule this across right uh but no on the state side no no it's all it's all just it's all business okay I want to get to the beginning of the story but first this is the number one question I'm sure you're asked it's the one that everybody's thinking at home you're locked up yep you're a pretty little white boy yeah yeah oh I never felt prettier it never felt prettier let's do a Tall Tree to climb yeah you know yeah we'll take two or three of them you know you know what did it no nothing unfortunately because because if it had I'd have a [ __ ] Netflix wait a minute I regret it okay so but you're locked up in Oregon yeah okay yeah and there's at no point did they is there any no no no because as soon as I hit the the main line in the county jail hey we're watching old school and getting tempted by the real life version sitting right there in the cell no because I faded immediately like immediate stand-up fade is a fight you know so it's like they test you right away like you can't even live on the main line which is the the like general population yeah you have to fight right away translate everything okay so if you refused as soon as you like get to County Jail yeah put your things down you don't even get a chance to eat you just walk out and empty stomachs exactly yeah and you're in like sand you're in these plastic sandals like you already that this was going to go down like somebody told you yes they warned me the dudes on the Chain as I was getting LED in they were they were like this is what time it is you know like to their credit they were nice they primed me so it was this big [ __ ] skinhead dude he had just got locked up a white wanted to fight you a white yeah oh it's white on white this way it's it's rarely Portland bro plenty of blacks plenty of blacks in the county jail actually it might be Progressive to say too many yeah I mean like it's actually we gotta stop yeah yeah there are too many putting all these blacks in prison bro exactly yeah what's that the 14th Amendment what is it yeah 14th 13th yeah 13th 13th Amendment yeah yeah we got to gentrify the prison system yeah you gotta move some more white people in there oh yeah it's the only place that's diverse in Portland okay so this big white [ __ ] comes steps to you yeah yeah and he's uh and his name is Cameron and he's got like the swastika right there and you know it's meth and all that [ __ ] so uh so he walks up and he [ __ ] I think I got like my paperwork like I'm sitting at a little desk in the day room and I'm just [ __ ] making notes and [ __ ] like looking at what they're charging me with like holy [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] and he just [ __ ] pushes it off the table and he's like Punk check you know and everybody it's like being in the lunchroom and somebody took your milk in high school and dumped it all over your sandwich you know what I mean so everybody's looking they're like you better go dog so we just [ __ ] found a little blind spot in the bathroom and I wrapped my knuckles with like toilet paper right because I didn't know I don't know how to fight you know but I knew I just had to [ __ ] drop them and hit him as hard as I could from the jump it was the only way I was gonna have a chance so we went in there and we just [ __ ] faded for like a minute how small is the space smaller than this studio it's about the the bathroom's about this size and then you just you just there's a little corner with no cameras and you just duke it out just one-on-one like a fair the fairest fight yeah I caught him and you said the guard basically caught me four or five times okay yeah absolutely too but there was some respect that you actually fought back oh absolutely yeah it's not necessarily about winning but it's about showing you're not [ __ ] exactly exactly not worth the trouble too in this video you said it was over cinnamon roll that was that was a different okay that was going to the next jail okay you know so it's like by the time I actually ended up getting locked up like going to prison I'd been in like four or five fights into the hole okay my security level was like the highest you could be so next thing you know I'm in a Maximum Security Prison with killers and I'm in there over a weed beef yeah you know but it's like what was I supposed to do I had to fight but that's what kicked my my security clearance how many different prison systems were you in so including a jail so you hit like the holding tank when you when you first get arrested yeah then you're in uh what would be the equivalent of like the the Detention Center downtown Manhattan yeah and then when you find out you're not getting out you're not bailing out you're not taking the deal so they're not kicking you out yeah that's when you get sent to like what would be Rikers which is long-term County jail holding right so I'm I'm at the Portland equivalent of Rikers okay and I was in there for like eight months and you know fighting my case fighting inmates yeah all that [ __ ] yeah yeah some video where you said I didn't see sunlight for eight months I'm like bro you're from Portland [Laughter] caught the Fate over the Swedish meatballs and [ __ ] you know what what do you get locked up for what is Swedish jail like it sounds it's like something sounds like I said it's so nice Ikea furniture 20098 fiance that actually amazing I had this thought as I was listening to your stuff jail sounds so awful because you're like really a smart dude in your life but you're like yo selling drugs is a thing you can do and make money at but the deterrent is I would get killed in jail immediately if you're in Europe where Jail's not that bad there's not really leave that deterrent like it's almost kind of good jail is as rough as it is in America yeah criminals that's why that's why Europe is like the coat Capital right now that's why everybody like the cartels make way more money in Europe yeah you know if you get your bricks like uh like a brick wholesale at the border right now you know in the in America is like 18 Grand over there it's like 60. you know in Australia it's like a hundreds wholesale Coke out there they love Coke why can't they make it in like Cambodia or something like that is the climate not right I don't know because they make heroin down there yeah tons of heroin tons of meth I don't know they're figuring it out though yeah they probably will but it's like it's wild man they got the best and brightest on it you know the r d those Asians will figure it out yeah so you get so you go through like all these different systems and everyone you got to be thinking they're gonna try to butt [ __ ] me or is that just the regular person's fear because my fear about jails the butt [ __ ] I saw some locked up [ __ ] where the dude was like the booty Bandit and he was talking I'm sure everybody's seen that yeah where he was just going around he was butt [ __ ] people so that's like my deterrent like that's the reason why I obey the law for real because it's not until you go to a prison like the long-term sentences but if you're in jail most of these people are getting out within a year or two that's the the worst they not because they're doing it for the Love of the Game on the neck like it's exactly that's tough so maybe that's we can almost respect yeah you know he's not doing it for cup of noodles he's not doing it for cigarettes no he just loves you so I don't know this premise almost got him in a fight in the Village Lantern like years ago I know if you remember he said the only reason I don't want to go to jail is the butt [ __ ] otherwise I'm stealing everything yeah some guy got super offended oh that he was like started talking [ __ ] and then yeah Andrew was about to go fight him upstairs and then literally his dad walked up and was like what are you doing what's going on a Marine no but is that a thing that like prison dudes are sensitive because the second I'm watching your [ __ ] and I'm like yo two years if you didn't choose up as part of a gang no no but I mean also I was Miceli uh Jimmy was a shock caller for the Hell's Angels in there so I really lucked out so you know did he look after you left yes he was my cellmate and they put me in there obviously because like I'm the squarest one they're gonna put with the the roughest dude to try to like deter you know they're trying to keep everybody separate you know so he was a big reason I probably didn't get killed I was worried about the sticking bro so I was just butt [ __ ] was the last thing I was worried about I swear to [ __ ] God I swear to god dude 90 of the gay [ __ ] that goes on in there is is consensual bro consensual and then they come out and they're like I was raped or whatever the same these women in Hollywood I don't know what's going on you're not selling this story to nobody Johnny I'm trying to work dogs I got felonies and [ __ ] I can't get a point already ah damn bro well civilization is consensual yeah we had a saying in there yeah it was called soon six months to the gate that meant if you quit doing gay [ __ ] like me and you were straight we've been in there maybe 20 years or so you know we're uh we're getting sweet we're [ __ ] sucking whatever it is if we quit doing it six months before we get out it's not gay you're good you're going back to your life it's hilarious that's like written into the [ __ ] rule book dude yeah it could be like we gotta hurry up dog [Music] Behavior now remember he did three years so you had two and a half years and trust me if I could have seen this like whoa Society we were coming into like at least the [ __ ] tongue kiss yeah like we would have been in on it of course it would have been like buying an Apple stock in like like I couldn't see what was coming dude I thought like I'm like from that era where like being straight was like you're like proud you're like I never sucked a dick you know and now it's like you can't even say that take that part out no wow but [Laughter] um okay so you went out unscathed yes I went out on the scale I mean no no but not like no there was like traumatic [ __ ] bro you can't call that [ __ ] unscathed but just just just unscathed in the ass yeah you know yeah okay who is the scariest person that you saw in jail yeah I mean like dude I would see I'd be in the [ __ ] prison shower and I'd see like some some life or black dude with like a tattoo tear and like an abnormally small penis and I'd be like that [ __ ] will kill you you know what I mean like that's I would see a dude like that I'm like that's probably about this in here you know it was like it was [ __ ] like that it was dude you wouldn't expect or like you know the guy that had killed his wife like the professor you know the genius that uh had murdered his wife with poison you know what I mean like weird dudes like that like that those were the scariest [ __ ] because they had nothing to lose right yeah and they weren't like gang-banging criminals like gang banging Killers killers that have killed over drugs or respect yeah it's kind of all in the game yeah you know what you're getting into killing your wife with poison yeah Schultz was like okay yeah what like a year and a half just a year and a half yeah no but that is a good point those are the scariest [ __ ] if you were to go shoot somebody for some get back that's different yeah than like just being an absolute Bonafide psycho psychopath yeah so you're in there with Psychopaths so at any point in time they could snap yeah well bro the first night locked up with Jimmy I know he's doing life life Hell's Angels bro I'm I'm sitting there with my pen like a pen that's all I had and I'm sleeping I'm not sleeping I'm sitting here I'm on the bottom bunk he's on the top bunk the whole night I'm just sitting there with the pen cap off she's like this [ __ ] rushes me I'm gonna try to hit him in the artery or some [ __ ] like that you know like didn't know because he didn't talk to me I didn't know if he was going to snap and [ __ ] come down and try to kill me yeah when do you ingratiate yourself to him the next day and the next day he was like I could see you're a good kid and he gave me a shank he gave me a burner yeah and he was like I wouldn't leave unless you go off to like work or off to you know do something away from other inmates I would at least have this [ __ ] on you and when you are when you're like meeting these dudes yeah is there like a method to you becoming their friends are you like are you feeling energy are you trying to make them laugh are you just giving them their space letting them reach out to you yeah yeah that for sure what is the anger for sure so because you can't just go talk to like a dude doing 20 30 life you can't as like a you're like a freshman trying to talk to a super scene did anything I think you were uh you were a chomo no because you just they knew they know your paperwork that's a child molester no no brother if you're like a tall white dude they just assume they're like oh yeah I would assume that yeah I'm [ __ ] [ __ ] up [Laughter] dude because I'm always when I was a kid I was afraid I was gonna get diddled so I'm always on the lookout oh yeah but he didn't ring any bells so you're good yeah yeah no so they they know as soon yeah bro I'm trying to ingratiate himself a one-term really blend in I know the one term that's the wrong one criminals so me and my you know felon friend can ingratiate ourselves together you know okay I'm commiserating you know that thing I said about not getting raped in prison I don't know dude did you have to get down with like white power dudes just for safety no I refused I refused so that's why like uh I'm like no I swear to God because it's like they were like cats they were like we don't want you playing basketball with the blacks we don't watch playing dominoes I'm like well how would you like me to associate with them though like what else do you want me to do oh and you played ball in that yeah so I had a good paperwork I had a good crime and I was a good Hooper so like that's what like you know that's how I got my respect yeah you know so wait but they let you play ball yeah bro they insisted on it my first day and locked up I was walking around the yard I talked about this in the show and the black dudes are running it's good running there too at OSP or no this was at two rivers and uh and they were they saw the height and they were like get over here yeah [ __ ] but I mean though the white power guys they didn't mind I mean I think I honestly think it was it was a combination of Jimmy Miceli yeah and and the black dudes because they wanted me to run dude they wanted me to move is is are the Hell's Angels separate from white power uh it's white power is just a blanket term for white gangs so gotcha there's like the Aryan Brotherhood that's the big one in like California prisons yeah that's a [ __ ] gangster if I was in a California prison I probably would have had to like you know you have to right would have to put in work or like go to protective custody or yeah it would have been bad and if you go to protective custody you basically end with the choma and with the chomos you're in with the snitches so you could argue that might even be worse because now you're just fraternizing with child molesters all day absolutely absolutely and then you and then somebody somebody gets to you in general population and they say you got to kill one of these [ __ ] or next time exactly exactly the stress yeah so it's stressful it's fine but you are killing a child molester right like yeah but then you gotta get you gotta go do life yeah you know yeah okay so they're not doing that so the thing I'm curious about is like do you think that you handle the stress better because you handled stress outside with the drug dealing so in other words you think like your cortisol levels are operating at a much lower level or you just become acclimated to being in a stressful environment it took about a year it takes about a year to get acclimated in jail to be like okay this is what this is where I'm at this is my home you know you look around it was honestly the hair loss you look around all these bald [ __ ] just stressed out and I was like that's that's what's going to make me coffee you couldn't get the propitious in the [ __ ] prison bro I should start I should have smuggled in balloons hundred percent of the [ __ ] hair pills yeah are you on it now yeah you got it yeah yeah you too right I've been honest since I'm 24 years old yeah you know what it is yeah it's thin you're a little worried about it like you're combed over but like this right here I got a Jewish doctor in the valley though we're going to get like the hairline's coming down yeah next time I'm on here I'm gonna look like a Mexican guy start at the eyebrows and go back listen you got to do the um the turkey I was about to say turkey but I don't know if that's obviously with what happened in Turkey yeah I'm not going to Turkey that's I heard turkey they're like the kingpins of the hair yeah it's just yeah Immaculate that's like Columbia for like three thousand you could do Colombia too Colombia Colombia is uh turkey is the hair transplant so Colombia is to tits so they [ __ ] set up I was going to invest in a business down there back when I was balling this guy who I met there was like I'm setting up this company where we recruit you know chicks in the states who don't have them down exactly a whole pack nice hotel yeah and back yep they do that with turkey it's unreal yeah yeah that would actually really work with you because you have all your hair up here exactly yeah we just got to bring it down like a centimeter I know you got some money stashed yeah I got money I got my money stashed oh from that no no not anymore not anymore no okay so you get through jail okay let's let's go YouTube yeah okay you can't say that so let's go back so you start selling a little weed I want you to fill this in the whole story you start selling a little weed early in high school everybody sold a little weed of course at what point do you jump to no I could probably make some real money or this could be a real as soon as I found out you could make a living selling weed that was like like I was like it's all I want to do well you didn't think that people were doing that before no no I I had no idea I thought you had to be like you know the the biggest to be the biggest boss the biggest the biggest boss just to make any money selling weed I had no idea you know what I mean because I'm not from that life how did you find out that that was a living you knew people that were doing it yeah it was like a friend's older brother got you you know or uh my friend's father he was like a you know he was like one of these OG guys he was everything he was a pimp sold crack sold weed all that [ __ ] he was my first connect that's like the Costco of crime he's like doing everything yeah anything you need he's got it yeah you would knock on his door he'd be it would be like 4 P.M he'd been like a leopard skid robe you know what I mean he had the perm and [ __ ] he had like a couple of [ __ ] and you're like that's what I want to be I lost my virginity to one of his hoes yeah I talk about in my book yeah yeah it was a bad [ __ ] did he bring it up I wanted to give them money I wanted to like you know I felt bad dude well yeah you did oh yeah I did give them up yeah yeah okay I wanted to like just tip them this is how hookers work oh I found out later are you into the hookers well yeah I mean when I was a baller yeah of course come on just easier yeah it's just easier and it's like I'm living that life you know I'm in Colombia with like hundreds of thousands of dollars okay let's go to the beginning so when I found out yeah it was just like his his father was like yeah this is all I do is like I sell I basically just sell weed and I pay my rent and like that was enough for me you know and you're clearly this is the interesting thing about it is you have him ambition because you want to do this at a high level but you just don't want to have ambition with like a regular legit job no lazy as [ __ ] it's laziness yeah yeah okay because now it seems like you're hustling crazy so the laziness is gone yeah it's I've always been like hard-working and dedicated to something I want to do but you're like yo these Square jobs seem absolutely horrible I want nothing I played ball I thought I was going to play ball legit or in Europe or so I was a 90s white kid who thought he was black yeah so I was like you know how it was like the Camron album back in the day sports drugs or entertainment that was it okay there was no use trying to make money any other way like I didn't want like because I grew up middle class I didn't want that lifestyle at all so dad like hate his job and you saw it and you're like I'm not gonna be that way yeah he kind of did like he was like he was a lawyer and he was a square and it was miserable all the time complaining about it kind of like that cliche you see it in every movie you know and um yeah I just knew from a very young age that I didn't want it and then of course dude watching movies like paid in full and all that [ __ ] we we fantasized about all dude movies and music do influence you do yeah yeah exactly exactly most people don't go off and do that [ __ ] though yeah you know what I mean I was just dumb enough to actually like try to go live that yeah so so you start out selling you know nickel and diamond right you don't know what you're doing you do that for years it's like comedy you're open miking drug dealing for like five years we didn't make any real money until like seven years in the game like I put in my time putting my ten thousand hours now real money is give us the example okay so if you're making a living right it took about four years to make like a living where I didn't have to have like a side job I didn't have to like hustle other drugs okay because you were hustling some Coke or whatever exactly when I was in Eugene Oregon going to the University of Oregon uh you know sometimes the weed would dry out meaning you couldn't get enough Supply right whatever the connect would get [ __ ] up so we would go to our Coke guy and we'd get like a nine piece like nine ounces maybe get like a half a key move that get that off or whatever sell some shrooms so it was kind of like you know it was whatever it was a Coke money seductive at all uh yeah risk is high but at the same time but you could take half a block which is nothing and make crazy and make you know three times what you make having to sell 30 pounds a week yeah you know yeah I think I heard you say in one episode I still if you want to sell drugs and make money Coke is still the way to go Coke's still the way to go because he's such a good product and that's why the fentanyl's [ __ ] it up it's bad for the coke dealers no you're right about bad for the brand yeah yeah so it's like um but back in the day dude oh it was so like um you know it still is like it's a drug that middle class people do [Music] um it's viewed as acceptable right and yes yeah yeah and it was just you know the hardest part is getting your hands on good Coke yeah so if you go watch my show you learn all about how to cut it up yeah keep them coming back still okay cutting it up for [ __ ] no no we would just pull like a two-step on it a two-step means we would just cut it up like once or twice very lightly what do you use use Adderall uh no no um rookie uh so uh no no we put like some B12 in it and like some caffeine pills so B12 is just like an energy booster exactly exactly they don't even know the difference between getting the Natural Energy booster the caffeine correct and you would short them a bit right like I like just doing that like if I could get a good price on it it was fire like chunked up blocked up I don't even waste it don't even yeah I'll just sell you less of it but it's fire so you're gonna come back and most people if they have a good experience with it they're not weighing out on a [ __ ] gram scale no right they trust that they have good Coke they go right back exactly okay so then how did you have the discipline to not chase the coke dream because the coke dream is where the [ __ ] money is uh yes because I didn't it got so crazy when you're selling Coke and you have good Coke especially in a small town like Eugene your phone is buzzing all the time all the time I'm in class class became like a money loss like I'd be in government how much time you're going to do yeah yeah I was in law school um so I would I'd be in there like and by my burner phone is like buzzing off the [ __ ] hook and it got to the point where I'm like I either gotta drop out of school or I gotta like fall back from selling Coke and just focus on the weed did something scare you and that's why you didn't want to do the coke thing well yeah we can robbed at gunpoint and [ __ ] yeah getting jokes maybe bring this up this oh sure sure this is what like middle class like thugging looks like we were we we were we were in a house okay on on the busiest Street in Eugene Oregon it's just my friends so they're all in school too yeah and but they're all civilians so it's like I didn't I lived like a double life like they know what I'm doing I'm the every crew as a dope man right every crew back then had the D boy but everybody else was like just live normal lives you know okay but they got they bore like the brunt of like the consequences from being with me so we're playing Mario Kart for the Nintendo 64. great okay great game fantastic bro and I'm like killing I'm on like choco Mountain I'm like beating my time my record time and we hear a knock at the door yeah and somebody opens it up and they go yo are you here my drug dealing partner yeah right uh and we're like yeah we think he's in the back we didn't know who it was yeah and then we look out for Mark because people are always coming in and out of the house it was like a college house yeah of course and we look up and there's [ __ ] two digits of ski masks with the [ __ ] joints on our face yeah just like run it imagine that and one of the dudes is like shaking like these are not Pros yeah so we were like hey just take your finger off the trigger dude we'll go get it for you so you were cool in the moment everybody was cool I was so proud of my dudes they were just like what the [ __ ] but you specifically did you freak out when you're like this is it it's over you're like they need the coke first they're not gonna kill me immediately no well I knew most of the work wasn't even in the house did you pause the game or is it was the music going in the back [Laughter] okay yo we definitely finished that [ __ ] after they left um so but I knew we had a couple pounds of weed in the house which was like we can give that up no problem but like the real money the work with no way I would keep it in like where you're at of course not right so I was like I was like just be cool not home but I know where it is I'll go get it for you it's got to give it to them they [ __ ] bounced out you go with them to go get it yeah yeah on my [ __ ] life this whole time he's in the bathroom taking a [ __ ] he came out like what's going on guys are you guys calling me yeah you guys this guy dude I didn't have any guns yeah no there's no point there's if you're really if you're really right exactly go tell that to a dude in Harlem you know you don't need a gun when you're selling crack dude what's the matter with you yeah but it's like but that's also double the time though so you gotta you gotta hedge the risk right like you getting jokes for like that's just a business expense as long as it's not the law like we'll give that up you know if you get if you can take him for the whole trap the whole [ __ ] the whole package that's on you you're slipping no but the dudes came in you didn't give them any pushback and now they can come back anytime they want to just to keep yeah yeah but what am I going to do you know I'm gonna [ __ ] around one of these dudes and get shot in the head you know it's not you have to you look at it like like nothing nothing is worth that you know and that's the difference between selling drugs in the ghetto is like that's true like that will we have kids to feed and these dudes will kill you yeah so it's just a whole different it's a whole different thing so at that point you have to start going all right if we're gonna scale this up we either need to partner with some people that will protect us right or we protect ourselves that has to go through your head a little bit no we have to get we have to move up from all Street sales no more oh the street sales where it gets [ __ ] of course of course and and the the you know because at this point we're we're selling Coke hand-to-hand and we're maybe like mid-level dealers for weed so we're we're sir we're we're giving it out to dealers we're the dealers dealer right but those dudes that robbed us were working for us we found out later yeah they were working for us and they just wanted they were like these dudes are [ __ ] they ain't got no hard we're gonna go take it from them it's like good luck with that and then you're gonna eat once and then you'll never eat again yeah exactly yeah I'll starve your ass you know so it's like that's the kind of stupidity but we were like Yeah from here on out like it's got to be we're only dealing with two or three dudes right so so if you were so it goes cartel you at this point were you getting stuff directly at this point I'm not dealing with the Cena loans we're gonna work up to that I'm dealing with uh I call them the rednecks and so the best part in the entire country the best outdoor workout right NorCal in southern Oregon Southern Oregon is actually you know and I'm up filming with dudes in Washington Heights last month yeah and they were like oh you're from Portland that's where we used to get our our [ __ ] that was the best [ __ ] exactly yeah we're gonna get to that too yeah yeah yeah um so we so we were getting it from the Rednecks picking up maybe 10 10 pounds at a time right yeah and we're just selling locally but I'm like if we're gonna get rich we got to start moving it across the country yeah that's where the markup is if UPS had same day shipping nobody would ever get caught dealing drugs together well they've sold more drugs than Chapo Pablo Escobar well they they're delivering meth right now with a smile dude all the time like came Queens like if that show but like it just turned into Breaking Bad in the middle of it yeah Kevin James just starts losing weight but that is the problem is like you you can't wait two or three business days to get your [ __ ] we get it the next day though next day really yeah but I'm saying if you're like uh like you just want a dime back of course not you're not gonna wait yeah but there would be no person-to-person interaction exactly government handle all that [ __ ] and it's the separation which I like so I never and I never got caught with any work they never found me with any drugs and it's I think it's because I created that barrier between myself and the the customer yeah okay I interrupt you so the best weed is coming from Southern Oregon to Northern California yeah you're getting the weed from the Rednecks exactly exactly and then you know just through happenstance we ended up meeting a guy who introduced us to these Mexicans that were from Sinaloa which is where the it's it was the beginning of the weed industry like they made sense of Mia they figured out how to make the bud with that scene Samia you speak Spanish yeah they were the ones who [ __ ] figure that all out they're the best Growers they're Farmers back in the day back in the you know from the 90s through you know a couple of years ago they would send members lieutenants up to Oregon and Northern California to set up grows to set up these huge thousands and thousands of plant growth locally there exactly they just have the good product to grow they have the experts they like the Monsanto yes yeah because it's all about the seed right of course and Ace and they're the ones that are willing to go high into the middle of nowhere in the mountains and they can rig irrigation to make it go from whatever water source whatever river is you know up the way and and they're able to like make the sunlight hit the plants through those gigantic trees and it's like brilliant and then what you do is and then they find guys like me and they just dish it off and they send all the profit back to Mexico so they heard about you no no no I paid to meet them oh this is fun yeah bro so I hit give me this happenstance [ __ ] that you're talking about there's no happening you know what the [ __ ] is going on what what really happened here so one of the guys who had introduced us one of these white boys from Southern Oregon who actually initially introduced us to these rednecks they were getting out of the business the redneck said we don't want to be in it anymore correct correct they just made enough money you know yeah which never happens it's very rare right never happens so he happened to know a guy who a Mexican guy Mexican-American grew up here and his uncle was one of the guys growing for these one of these big scene alone operations now just so I can get this right he's growing in America correct but they're all owned by the sin allowance all owned by the and these [ __ ] bro not only they they don't speak English they don't know what state they're in they know they're on the west coast they don't know where the [ __ ] they are how do they get in what is it all coyotes of course yeah okay so they're they're illegally yeah are they buying the land or they're just growing oh they're just they're just growing in the middle of the forest they're like squatting on the land and growing in the middle of a forest now and eventually they would set up like greenhouses they got more sophisticated with it but no dude they were marching their ass [ __ ] days into the forest for food like ah no they lug it up okay they lug it up okay um this is like 2007 2008 exactly they don't do that anymore because it's not worth it to them like weed is legal now like they stopped doing that maybe probably like 10 years ago they quit sending their guys up here to do that kind of [ __ ] yeah but it was wild I was locked up with a dude Mexican dude from uh Colima just close to Sinaloa he was telling me that he was part of he was working on one of these growth sites he was like in overalls didn't have shoes on the place because the spot got raided he ran into the forest got away and made it back to Mexico oh wow without shoes off wow it's like when you drop a dog off in the park and then he makes it back home he's gonna find his way home that's crazy give a horse's head he'll find his way home yeah wow yeah yeah okay so they're setting up these things so you meet this guy yeah well do you speak Spanish okay so you're able to communicate with these guys so there's a little bit more trust maybe yeah actually it's even less trust I found out do not go in there speaking Spanish of course bro of course do not go in there try to impress these [ __ ] they're like he spent six months in Colombia yeah oh I studied in Argentina you know I'm figuring that if you were DEA they'd send you down to be one of these like uh what is it called Narco uh traffic or whatever guys well no no you're like an undercover yeah like an undercover DEA guy but all those dudes speak perfect Spanish so like and they were immediately like what the [ __ ] and and my boy was with me was like no no he's cool like look at his student ID yeah yeah yeah yeah you got this at the quad he's not a [ __ ] DEA agent okay so how do you convince them um money okay you just go how much you have to spend to meet them 10 10 Stacks just for 10 minutes just for the intro but I'm like I told my partner I'm like dude it's worth it I think we're on to something so how'd you hear about them from the Rednecks no from yes just a guy I was involved with them and he was he was a Mexican kid but he grew up in the states and had this connection one of his uncles exactly was working in this grow so I was like just take me down there I went down there with didn't even buy anything the first trip right I was like just let me like what's the ticket it's official okay two two thousand a pound okay I'll be back with 80 grand give me 40 of those things to start and then I got a guy on the East Coast buying them for 35 a piece and then you're going to do that 40 pounds of weed get back down however long back up now is there any part as you're about to link up with the cartel that you're like oh this is where it gets too big this is a bad idea no there's no inner self dialogue like oh cartel is not are you [ __ ] up are you weirdly thinking it's the thing it's safer because you're cutting out more interactions the more people that know the more chances you go down it was of course yeah I was like I I was like yeah this is not only it's not only safer but once I met the dude on the East Coast that was like he was like how much can you get me a pound for 35 that cheap I called I was like we're about to get rich it's like we're about to it moment you're buying for two selling it for like flipping four yeah yeah and if he was buying in bulk like like 10 or more I give it to him for three it didn't matter exactly if I'm making a thousand fifteen hundred profit per piece and we're doing 40 or 50 of those a week it's a million dollar spot so and and that's and that's when my friend was like I'm gonna get out I think I'm gonna walk because he made how much he made first of all how much are you making a month on this at the height so 80. she's making 80 grand a month 80 after expenses and yeah I'm averaging some months were better but I want to be like I want to like say you're making a million a year okay exactly so Reggie you make a million a year for how long before Reggie goes okay I think I'm good no no I bought him out before any of this happened wait you bought him out yeah yeah he wanted out he wanted out and then he also wanted to be bought out that's a weird thing to buy someone out of an illegitimate business it was just out of respect it was just out of respect how much did you give him I gave him 20 grand yeah because that was like because The Re-Up back then like what you have in the pot to make your your re-ups your buys yeah it was about 40 or 50 Grand so like here this is your half anyways you know and we didn't know we didn't really know it was gonna hit like this of course you're like when you think you're on to something you're like I think we're gonna get rich but we didn't really know how did you find the guy on the East Coast yeah I was this is the most white boy way I love this yes amazing aren't white people the best how many friends got out I got out and I didn't miss a beat okay okay okay yo so I'm I'm sorry rugby they rug to be in high school Andrew it was Polo okay it was respect respect um no I meant I was studying it because you know I was failing in school I was [ __ ] up left and right you know what I mean STDs all that [ __ ] so yeah hell yeah dude hell yeah thanks so I was like oh but but you can get a bunch of credits by just like studying abroad it was like a joke right so I was like okay if I do this I graduate on time so I studied in Argentina for like three or four months you went to Spain right yeah yeah same [ __ ] yeah so I'm kicking it my best friend down there was a dude from Philly you know just one of these like dirty Philly kids right yeah um because [ __ ] the worst white people yeah yeah yeah it pounds for how much yeah yeah um and he he all of his friends were connected they were all like either their parents were Mobsters yeah uh no no connected like the garbage business like like Mafia yeah yeah Oh I thought you might like okay is that the sign you know oh okay sure sure you wouldn't you wouldn't know oh yeah [Laughter] so so yeah so um but all those dudes are into drugs now like the mafia is long since like relinquished like that we don't sell drugs policy you know what I mean if that was ever a policy I think that was romanticized I think so that's a little part of it I think there was long ago like people that recognize like Meyer Lansky was never like we're gonna sell drugs you know what I mean gambling women all that [ __ ] what Palestine that can affect Too Many Lives yeah yeah so um I'm sorry so um we uh yeah so he was he was like my best friend down there we're going out getting drunk all this [ __ ] and it was surreal I was fine he was finally like okay so so you're buying everything you're I have my own apartment like I didn't even live with a family down there right you know how most students like course yeah have to stay in like a you know a studio apartment with 10 people I was like I'm just gonna go get my own high rise on the river you know yeah right yeah um and so he was like what the [ __ ] you know like he game recognized game and I was like yes what I do blah blah are you doing it while you were there no no no I would take a hiatus gotcha you know so money's always moving right yeah and he was like oh yeah my friends you know uh uh what's the school in Temple or whatever yeah you know all their parents are [ __ ] mob dudes and all that [ __ ] and yeah this is what they do it'd be wild you know you could get them their weed you know they'd probably pay uh oh that is smooth and then see how like how subtle he's asking you to do it yeah oh he's a pro that's gonna pick up on that at all yeah oh so uh and I was like oh yeah that would be crazy I think he might be you know yeah no so we're like oh yeah that's wild and then we just didn't even think about it right we didn't think I'm like oh but that's crazy like how do you move product out there I gotta like pay somebody to drive it out there he's just gonna steal it like you can't do that what are we drug traffickers come on so but then like six months later we graduated and I'm watching this like I think it's like a CNN like expose on how people traffic weed through the mail oh you thought this was gonna deter me this is a [ __ ] video dude I guess that's what my show is right yeah yeah so I was like okay let's see if there's something here and you know just little by little we start with like sending a couple ounces over you know doing this through USPS or UPS or all three okay all three so there's the the USPS Post Office yep there's FedEx and there's UPS um UPS is the worst they're [ __ ] criminals okay don't call me the criminal wow those [ __ ] stole so much packages from me bro yeah they know they just know yeah and they've got scumbags working for them and I guess they don't shake them down when they leave the Sorting warehouses wherever they go yeah because we had several boxes with like 10 or 15 pounds in them yeah that would show up weeks later to the address gone oh there'd be no weed in it should still deliver it so they would still figure out a way to deliver it you know dude I had a I want to get back to I had a friend of mine's in this cereal business and uh they're shipping cereal around the country right all of a sudden they get a call from one of their uh from like the police or something somewhere and they go hey uh we had to pull over your trucker Uber does Freight okay we have to pull over the Uber free and um because there was drugs in your shipment and then they go what they go yeah there was like a lot of drugs you had like a few pallets of cereal then drugs and then more pounds of cereal right and then she's like I don't know what the [ __ ] is going on this is really weird so they arrest the guy they find out and they start looking back into their shipping logs right and they would find that the cereal would make it to certain destinations but only like half of it and then a week later the other half would show up and basically what the shipping company was doing was taking out using the drugs using that to get the drugs around yeah squeezing in between but still making sure all the shipments got there so you would be nonetheless no it's brilliant it's on Uber is Uber's the one doing the freight wow wow that's one of the things I recommend in how to episode 18 how to move drugs efficiently yeah you [ __ ] you use one of those like third party huh thanks would have been nice 45 minutes ago you don't have other people end up to work here come on be a little afraid you know um so yeah that's that's a common method and then they can't put it on you so if you own a shipping company yeah it's like I just got the bill of sale I just ship what people bring to me yeah so it's like and that's why actually Chapo became who he was is because he he perfected how to distribute no to smuggle bulk coke through you know on legal freight trucks across the board all right guys we're gonna take a break for a second because listen you got to be entering the new year you know it's almost done with February we're almost in March if you are not in clothes that give you confidence by now then it's a problem and you can be thanks to our sponsor true classic you'll have everything you need to hit the gym take it slow treat yourself to something nice for a limited time only you're gonna get 25 off with the code flagrant trueclassic.com now I'm telling you when it comes to these men's Essentials they got you you want 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few back in the day but I'm coming I'll see y'all August 27th go to dandruffshells.com you get tickets for that it is part of the Great Outdoors Festival so it's gonna be wild I will see you there because so that's really what makes somebody special in the game is distribution because that's the most difficult part anybody can cop somebody was telling me about that I was talking to somebody about um Escobar and my understanding of Escobar was the genius was his ability to distribute and the way that he like won over that girl what was the girl's name she's like the cocaine cowgirl or whatever I think Griselda apparently like she was like I need this much coke in Miami by tomorrow or something crazy she walks out the door leaves that it's like if you do it you're you're in and if you don't you're not and like he just had the ability to make these things happen yeah it's funny that distribution because because like it's like Amazon that's what I was about to say it's like Amazon you win the game through getting the product of course it doesn't matter what it is yeah there's just way higher Stakes here but back in the day it was easy Escobar could literally fly a plane and landed in Miami now you can't do that anymore so it's really the the game that [ __ ] about the ogs which ones a lot of them we're going to film with Griselda his uh her son Michael Corleone next week in Miami get out of here yeah yeah we're doing all right so uh yeah so but it was the Mexicans that made uh the the Colombians work for the Mexicans now you want to know the truth let's go yeah yeah let's go right next to the best number one yeah the number one there's thank you bro they're the best Latins for sure yeah do that takeover yeah so so but you know it's at the point now where uh yeah it's like the Colombians are begging people to give the Mexicans to take their coat because the Mexicans got because they can get into America of course they own they monopolize the land border it's like it's us or nothing plus they have fentanyl coke uh they're selling weeds still uh so it's like it's like what can I what can you do for me so we were down filming in Sinaloa yeah where it all jumped off last month with Chapo's son ovidia we're in culiacan I got this [ __ ] this rosary actually from a sicario that was guarding El Mayo who was the last remaining uh Senor from the old you know Kingpin era you spoke to him no no no we can never get that close we spoke to his bodyguards and they're cool to talk to you like they went off camera they didn't let they didn't let us film off camera and [ __ ] yeah how do you know what you can and can't get away with we're kind of learning as we go we're learning the name of the cartel and I'm like I'm sure people know they sell drugs yeah but you just saying I sold for them probably not the best look are they upset about that no you're in everything all they all want to be on camera they all want to be you know every OG wait this is really interesting to me so so it's on some uh what was the movie uh with Denzel where he wears the [ __ ] mink uh American American Gangster yeah and what was what was prolific about him was his ability to stay low profile right and then they marketed this part of the movie as in like hey the second you want the attention it's over that's the whole goddy thing too so you're saying that these guys despite having all the riches and all the Liberties and all the freedoms they still won it's not enough they still they still want ego they have ego they still want attention they want like man what is man really driven by money yes but people want respect they want respect exactly yeah and anything you do so it's not enough to live in the shadows it is for the old guys because they understand it correct and El mile zimbaba who's sicarios we talked to he's he's the last guy because he there's only three existing photos of him and yeah and this is and he's probably connected with the CIA and the DEA you know he he feeds I want to get into he feeds the car he feeds the government other cartel leaders this is what you don't know about it's a dirty little secret Mexican cartel bosses every now and then just like when Frank Lucas wore the mink and he got a little too hot yeah every now and then somebody from the Mexican and United States government yeah yeah we'll see a guy and he's getting too big he's got to let him eat exactly we got to feed you somebody let you eat and zambata has been feeding he fed them Chapo he fed them uh probably ovivio Chapo's son who they just went and snatched uh that they're all you stay alive exactly and they don't look at it as ratting though they don't look at it as snitches it's business it's part of how you do business part of how you survive they don't look at it because they're at the highest levels where they're already interacting with the police they're already interacting the police know all of it yeah so it's like the idea of not talking to the police is 10 levels below No in fact you must because the cops will come to you if you're a governor in uh Chihuahua yeah you and and I'm the boss you come to me and say look I'm having a problem with these gang bangers they're they're dropping bodies all this kind of foolishness plus I need to bring too much attention exactly plus I need some roads paved plus I need I need a new water supply you know for the town what can you do for me and and then that's how I say I'll take care of all of it but now my drugs need to move through your state unfettered in fact we need the military to protect it and that's how drug routes are established okay okay is is are the cartels my nipples are hard are the cartels in Mexico almost similar to like um like big Tech in America and where like the business has just grown so big and it's so important to the to the government that it has to bind together yeah you know what I'm saying probably like for example like Facebook it's like you work with the government you have to yeah you're not an independent company like if if a politician wants something they make the phone call right right yeah and I imagine Mexico that is these conglomerates are so massive and they're so dependent both are dominated that they kind of work together oh absolutely they're completely interdependent completely I mean that [ __ ] they just arrested uh a guy who used to work for the former Administration uh the last Mexico president okay the guy the secretary of defense was taking hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes from Chapo that would be like Hillary Clinton when she was working for Obama yeah you know dealing with you know whoever the biggest criminal in the country so if you're someone like Chapo that's like maybe underneath one of these other guys how do you not get clipped like how do you keep yourself from getting fed yeah oh yeah man and how do you keep a low profile you keep a low profile because as soon as as soon as you like El mencho you've heard of that guy I don't know he's the guy that uh the the competition to Sinaloa is the Nuevo Jalisco cartel yeah and they're the guys out of Jalisco yeah and Men show is their leader and he's getting he's getting hot he's getting way too hot now they're coming for him if he's not already dead they're like actively looking and by they you mean the government and the other cartels or just the other cartels just the government the Mexican Government because they need support from America and America is like look we're going to give you all this these stimulus for your economy and for your military but we need some headlines so why did Joe buy you Joe Budden was in Mexico last month what happened three days before he visited they came and snatched a video out of culiacan wow wait wait wait wait so break down this relationship we need support from the United States for other things non-drug relations [ __ ] uh we're geopolitical partners and we need to have like um what is it like certain political wins in order to Curry favor yeah it's all about appearances so we need to look like we got this drug [ __ ] under control of course oh [ __ ] yeah so if you're not Top Dog you're fine you you're either fine or you're getting clipped if you get too hot that's the thing like yeah it's almost like hmm if yeah there's like a nice comfortable like Middle Ground yeah absolutely absolutely you don't even want to go higher than that and a guy told us just that the guide who's who's taking us around Cooley Khan was like nobody wants to be Chapo anymore anymore you gotta blast through that dangerous you need to be doing that no but you need the escape Velocity he's right because if you get to the point where you're interfacing with the government right you're keeping [ __ ] cool and you're the one feeding yeah the new folks you're straight yeah but breaking through that yeah it's terrifying and in my my opinion there's no more doing that well there's no more because the old days are gone everything's decentralized there's radar everywhere they can the satellite can you know pick up your license plate from space it's just everything is too so in other words there's there's the technology to arrest whoever we want exactly in a moment's notice so if anybody is pushing weight it has been allowed yes and you cannot not become like one of these like grandfather kingpins anymore like you're just gonna get you're just gonna get caught you're gonna get popped without grandfather kingpins is Mexico any safer and like the way we look at it the cartel runs everything it's dangerous does that a lot of that go away with with people not trying to be Top Dog I feel like it's worse no probably worse yeah because everybody's you know when there's no structure up top all the [ __ ] all the rats are trying to grab that cheese you know yeah so it's going off right yeah yeah now the scene alone is getting weakened because they came and arrested ovidio yes you got now you're gonna have warring parties go in there so it's almost better that all the illegal activity is done by one group a couple of them yeah a couple that's kind of how it works up in Canada where like uh like the cambodians will handle the illegal gambling and the Italians will do this and then the Chinese will do that as it's monopolized you can bargain yeah and they and everybody kind of knows each other's space yeah and they're [ __ ] Canadian about it yeah they're not like too disrespectful [ __ ] annoying though but it stays safer yeah when everybody's beefing and going after it and thinks that they're gonna be Top Dog of course that's where you get people starting to get murdered of course but you can't be top dog in Canada you can't be top dog in America there's no real kingpins because you're always getting it from somebody in Mexico if you own the food supply you control the manufacturing dude like you it gets no higher than that so that's that those are the only that's what being a Kingpin really is you have to own the supply you have to own the distribution they control how much product gets shipped up when you literally control the price that is a cartel that's OPEC that's oil yeah like Federal Reserve you can make the prices of [ __ ] going in and out but now now hang on to your britches now what's happening is even that is getting flat why because every because as the world gets decentralized the cartels are no longer monopolizing every level of the drug chain so it used to be where if the Sinaloa cartel had pretty much everybody on payroll I pay the drivers I pay the mules I pay the workers I have people in the United States receiving the drugs to to distribute it and sell send the money back right it's not really like that anymore it's all independent contractors you're a trucker from culiacan I got a load of fentanyl that needs to make it to the border and I have the drug route I will pay you for your services rendered then and this is according to Luis Luis chaparro a good friend who works for Vice news is the number one cartel journalist in all of Latin America so this is not me talking this is from him it's years of study and being down there embedded uh you're a truck driver you will move it to the Border then an American will meet you pay for the drugs wholesale and they will mule it across the board and then all these people are completely separate exactly and that's and it makes it impossible to take an organization down that way so so it is the fact is decentralized creates more security for the people in charge but there's less control over what happens with the drugs of course and that's where you get fentanyl getting inserted into the coke that's where you get other people snitching so the risk is the snitching you just hope that you could create enough of a barrier between you and them exactly yeah now now how [ __ ] furious were the cartels when the fentanyl stuff was happening with the coke oh yeah well I asked about that a ton down what they say right they don't give a [ __ ] yeah I mean they kind of give a [ __ ] but like I was like do you guys feel bad at all and they were like oh no no no no no no no I'm not I mean I did Coke once out there I that was the only time I've ever done Coke and I'm not a big how'd you like it uh it was it was awesome yeah it should be this popular like you've heard is good and you're like oh he deserves it that exactly what I wanted to do but what what I noticed from everyone buddy was that the Casual drug went from I mean I've gone to Birdman a bunch of times it was coke only to ketamine yeah and there the overwhelming reaction to Coke initially was like oh yeah I don't trust the Coker all right we gotta test the coke now if I'm a cartel boss that makes money off of Coke I'm going we have a marketing issue right here yeah yeah actually I take it back you're right because what they've started to do is when they send the fentanyl pills up to the Border they are starting to make them pink so so you can't crush it into the things and when you do when you do you'll see that when you're sniffing Coke on the U.S side and it looks a little pink stay away from it because that means a dumbass dealer has crushed up Fentanyl and mixed it in with his with his powder now you're helping people come on do what I can man you know [ __ ] because that fentanyl [ __ ] is game over right game over game over I had friends die from it yeah really my favorite Barber died of it that's why I'm rocking this mullet I don't know what to do it's like losing a [ __ ] loved one bro seven years this [ __ ] you know no went and kicked the bucket just one line because he thought he was blowing Coke of course yeah yeah we lost a couple Comics that way exactly and not the not the comics we wanted you know how do you not get back in the gate because I I used to do it very low like just talking about it right now oh my gosh just keep talking about Jail jail so I don't even think about it I'm glad we got that [ __ ] out there well it's like alcoholic goes to AAA meetings and talks about man you remember when I used to black out and you know wake up with a dick in my mouth like he does that to remind himself of the horrible exactly or or just to get it out because they love talking about alcoholic War Stories that's that's kind of why I do this you know because I do love talking about it it gives me my rush and then I can fall back you know here's something safe there's nothing here's something you know everything you know what it's cap I just don't want to break my parents heart once they kick wrong so I picked up on this and I listened to you talk and listen to your stuff on YouTube you are super disciplined when you were doing this yeah like you could have been very successful being legit you said that wasn't for you I understand that why did you go comedy afterward is there a similar yeah feeling you get somewhere well of course it's like it's a complete risk you're like when you're on stage you're walking this tightrope and you would just die at any moment a much more figurative depth though yeah for sure for sure but it's the same it's the same kind of Rush yeah it's the same kind of Rush like when you get a package through yeah I can't describe it it's like the hardest you've ever killed on stage right when when you know that a box of 20 pounds of weed has just made it to Washington Heights right because I was working with Dominicans up there too uh when you find that out and you're like so many people are going to be getting high off my [ __ ] I did this when you open up a box and 70 100 000 falls out of it Wall Street bro I was saying you cash in the mail yeah yeah and that's how I got knocked that's how I got pinched eventually I got the money coming back yeah okay okay before we get to you getting knocked just I'm sorry we've gone on tangible this is how we do this this is great okay so so your your you establish this relationship with the Italians okay when do they trust you because they got to vet you this is old school Mafia [ __ ] you know but their kids are their kids are all you know private school kids they're all they get soft exactly of course they get dumb they're [ __ ] Breaking All the Rules you know nice kids but they're idiots remember that thing we were saying about white people yeah yeah I know and they're from yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's right they're guineas from Philly yeah exactly so uh thank God for Italians yeah it's just the last cool idea Freedom no no it's the last it's we can be racist it's the only people that white people can still be racist against yeah that's cool you know but they they like I would open up a box or you know UPS package with 20 20 1000 so it was like 20 grand in it and it would just reek of weed it was just real I'm like I could smell this through the box practically like it's like you guys are like smoking Blunts and Counting them yeah blowing it over the money I'm like you gotta send my money the way I wrap your dope that's kind of romantic it's like when you spray a letter with cologne yeah I do it in jail dude um so yeah that and that's ultimately that pulls me the way I got pinched was that you know a dog in a FedEx facility I popped and they put a little tracking device in there and then followed it to uh you know Portland Oregon damn so it was complete it was a complete a happenstance like they had no idea what I was doing there was no uh crazy money exactly there was no big time set up on me nothing like that now did you get a phone call or like uh yeah not even a tip like did did somebody back east go hey man how you how you feeling about this case oh yeah like like they thought I might have [ __ ] might have been in there singing yeah no I never heard from them but I mean really I never heard from them but when I got out I I got a phone call from a few of them and they were like thank you um and they were like Drew if you want to get back to work like we can do that so I could get back in the game in a minute I'm connected in Medellin I can go get a brick for two grand I can get two dollars a gram think about that even now with talking about you know the game so much on YouTube and everything like that they would still no this is when I got out 10 years ago oh it was when I got out 10 years ago yeah yeah I'm too Pub too famous now I'm too popular yeah you know yeah but um but yeah so that's that was kind of that's how that imploded you know what happened just getting getting lazy getting sloppy before you got popped with they're sending you and shortchanging you do you have any recourse about that like the people you're working with if they don't send you the full amount if you're 20 short with my [ __ ] money I'm gonna starve you yeah yeah I was I'm Scottish like you I'm a cheap [ __ ] you short me 20 yeah nothing's getting sent has that happened before you got to call them up and be like hey are you counting wrong like what's up um I mean I sent a I I met a few guys who I thought were going to become buyers like in Ohio and you know I would ship them a pound just as you know test it out and I've never hear from them yeah but it's like whatever that's nothing what is two is two G's his members the businesses like in a game you're going to have to take losses and I know I know this would take longer but why weren't you just using people to drive it back and forth I know because it's just like that's um who are you gonna do how can you move product that fast but it's less risky yes but also but also they have checkpoints on major highways they have the car in your name everything's tracked back to you I mean I wouldn't have a car that's crazy but like I would I would uh that's kind of bully you um this is my cover by the way like dumb white guy that doesn't know anything about drugs you look like a guy who arrested me no [ __ ] he looks like a [ __ ] guy they all dress like you dress like they ain't got no money this is like sporty athleisure you know what I mean no I'm not saying no no this is like a good dress down thing I hate jokes just bomber jacket gonna pour the milk on me we gotta go in the bathroom real quick when uh when I got arrested I offered you know I tried to bribe the cops and [ __ ] wait really yeah of course bro how often does that work well I'm over one yeah so so but it's it's not the feds it's just three local PDS bro it was the local Vice so I was like this is the time to do it yeah and I'm like look at [ __ ] you're looking at a half a million dollars in cash right now your boss is not here none of the boys are here I will go get you another 200. you just gotta give me a day and I gotta get I gotta run I gotta make a run for it this is my crazy brain I'm like I got money hidden in all type of places I'm gonna I'm gonna run for the Border I'm gonna go to Mexico and then Colombia this is my thinking so yeah I try to you know okay how'd you pitch it Mario Kart's still playing you literally just that I was like I was like can you come in the room yeah yeah yeah you hate your jobs your wives are fat okay with that you're wiser I was actually really smart yeah that was probably the best thing you could have said but no it was it was it was just one guy in there because they they had like three or I think man there were four Dudes there and they were walking in and out they're on their walkie-talkies like if you heard of this guy John Mitchell because you know when you your name is in the system it's bouncing around you know they're calling Homeland Security they're they're calling the de have you heard of this guy nothing nothing nothing he's got to be connected with a cartel because they saw the kind of money that I had in one place and they were like oh he's clearly this guy's a big time coke dealer heroin deal they just had no idea about no [ __ ] idea money in one place well it wasn't all the money in one place but it was just a big ship yeah exactly it was the one the money was the one thing that I just didn't trust anybody to hold for me not really you know what I mean it's a hard thing I want to get into the money thing a little bit yeah okay so so there's one guy so and he was like the nice guy you know yeah you got your [ __ ] and you get your nice guy yeah uh and he was like look you could just sign a quick you just give a quick confession and like we will kick you loose and like we'll let you go out there and keep dealing right saying this to you of course this is how it works dude this is how it works and explain why Gwen because when you're out there do you believe it because when you're out there dealing you can go just like the cartel a Kingpin in Mexico every now and then has got to feed the government uh a Rival Dealer it happens on the street level too like we're gonna kick you loose we just caught you with an ounce of heroin we're gonna kick you loose and keep dealing but every month [ __ ] we gotta we need something we're gonna need something oh so you basically become the informant you basically become the informant you become but you're still dealing so they're allowing crime to happen always right never not even trying to get the bigger fish bro it's just it's all another the other day they're the average salary for an informant is like 80k 80k yeah I didn't know you get paid to be an informed oh yeah yeah so why are they still dealing because you have to deal that's how you've got time you're doing the work for them yeah that's why everybody I'm giving deals to everybody everybody's getting free weeds 80k a year to snitch that's one of the most drug dealers yeah I know you know so yeah it's pretty everybody station um and I was like you know like of course I'm I can't do that you know what I mean yeah uh and the whole time I'm still thinking like I'm gonna get back into this like I'm somehow I'm gonna wiggle out of this so I don't have any drugs they don't got money that's all they got yeah and you know you're not snitching yeah you're assuming the People Back Home aren't snitching no no no I assumed it they were snitching I assumed my drivers my mules were snitching uh my brain's going crazy who's telling I don't know at this point exactly until we get the discovery paperwork how they pop me and they pop you just from the UPS [ __ ] somebody smelled it exactly exactly and you know this iPhones have just come out so uh they were able to trace like where I had been they just plugged the cell tower exactly and I was like oh boy oh boy they can't they don't they can't tell exactly where you are they can just tell exactly exactly yeah there's Towers everywhere now so let's try to bribe the officer what would they get you on you just have a lot of money uh they had they would get me on well they got me on moneyline pondering conspiracy there there was weed in the house it's just personal weed but that added up to like a half a pound yeah they tied that in and all that uh so that yeah as they can as much as they can and then you just knock as many down when you go to court so so I was just like hey I mean and it's not it was not this smooth okay I'm gonna make myself sound cool it was not this smooth because my mouth is right it's like when you're bombing on stage you have no saliva in your mouth you're terrified yeah you know you're like my life is over this version you know this one's really good I just picture yeah I picture a black butt [ __ ] yeah you know why it's got to be a black guy you know as it would be um I feel like the lights go the gayest first in jail wait really of course of course because the black guys you guys don't do that sex play [ __ ] yeah like if you're born before 1990 and you're black in America like yeah yeah you're like no games kids have like gay fun yeah they didn't do that no fart fun yeah no gay [ __ ] yeah Eddie Murphy said that in the Delirious yeah now my mouth is open okay so all right so so so yeah give me the pitch so so I was just like I I was like there's more of this like I was like there's I I have a safe deposit box I can be back in an hour before you just gotta let me go before it closes it was like 3 P.M I'll go bring you back another 200 000 that's 550 000. nobody's here it's just us four take it all I just need it I just need a day if you paid them off why why even stop because why even leave the country because I'm assuming they're gonna take the money and then still quit me anyway yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah and I was trying to I was trying to be reasonable with them I'm like yeah just let me go I'm not saying you just take the money and don't charge me yeah just give me a head start you know what I mean yeah take 200 000 out charge me with 350 000 in the [ __ ] thing I'm not gonna say anything give me 24 hours to get the hell out of here you could say that I ran like you could say whatever you want that's a good deal trying to like say I'm trying to work with these guys yeah and these [ __ ] dorks now if this had been Philly if this had been the East Coast look here [ __ ] Northwest dorks you know what Portland is the worst city in the [ __ ] country okay yeah I mean so um so no the guy just looks at me and you go and he just flipped like he went from nice guy and he goes you little [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] and he grabs me and he and he calls the dudes over and he's like guess what guess what this little [ __ ] just insinuated and they were pissed like I thought they were I thought they were gonna start [ __ ] me up like really like laying hands on me they were pissed off about it yeah so I guess cops think they're doing good for the community and it's like it's an insult yeah I guess to a cop who's straight yeah that he would even consider taking for sure taking my money but I'm like come on dude yeah it's a shot in the dark just a piss it's like when you think a girl's into you yeah you got a boyfriend that's fine yeah [Laughter] which they couldn't prove though so it's real it's their words recorded your whatever's there and I had to pay lawyers so we [ __ ] we we got that okay yeah okay money I think this is yeah a couple things about money that I think I'm very curious about there's obviously how much total you made I'm curious about yeah I made I crested a million dollars a year or no just total okay so that's total so you hit a million that and that means you have a million cash or that means you're spending as you're making uh that included The Re-Up that included the Rio but The Re-Up was only um Maria was wasn't more like 150 000 okay because you know I'm paying I'm getting the ticket I'm getting it for the low yeah so I'm really only have to bring the Mexicans 100 100 000 if I'm buying 50 joints this is two a pop more or less yeah right in the summer time it's gonna be a little higher when Supply is lower but you know so yeah a lot of that is just [ __ ] cash so you're sitting on a million at one point what is your get out number in your head yes dude it started out with a hundred thousand dollars I'm like God 250 I feel that [ __ ] about stand up Yeah the more you make the more yeah yeah yeah but but your overhead is way lower than in this [ __ ] you know what I mean so it's like dude I mean there's no taxes uh people are working for me for peanuts this is during the recession so I got nice college educated white dudes women even making that drive down there for me muelling my [ __ ] back for like a hundred dollars a joint but to them it's like five grand just to do this is big money you know like I'm gonna do that I'm hurting so but it's just insane so a hundred thousand was like my get out number then it went up to 250 and I was like yo I looked at the forecast and I was like okay we're gonna be at a million in no time let's just do that right but then I had this opportunity to go into business down in Columbia I mean I had a lot of business opportunities but the get out plan was going to be this real estate deal I was going to do in Colombia so I was and that was going to cost me about four or 500 Grand so I'm like I gotta get I gotta make that back like I'm gonna invest that but I want to be 1.5 so you can do that deal I want to be a million liquid plus whatever I have in assets you know what I mean and that was close and you were I remember you saying you were like a few months away or something yeah okay so where are you hiding the money you're not just keeping a million dollars cash in one place uh you know I had [ __ ] my parents addict had it in the garden safe deposites vegan digging bro digging I'm Mexican now I am the Mexican now you know you're digging you're putting it in the garden yeah you have some at your folks Place yeah your folks Savvy to it a little bit or not to this level now they knew throughout the years I'd be home from college and my mom would be like hey I was cleaning your room and I found like 50 000 in cash in your backpack so you're gonna have to you can't stay here we know you're back dealing drugs you know but we'll still pay for college okay you can't stay here for the summer time about you it's about them they don't want their kid to not go to college of course yeah of course and the embarrassment too like that yeah that's the worst part like yes he sells the drugs but he got a bachelor also though like and this is no knock on like the black community or or any like lower class communities it almost makes drug dealer hear me out comfortable with casual races that's like for to be from Portland and then be like yeah the blacks are like this in prison from casual I started out yeah this is professional racism that's what I'm saying if you're if you're from a family of entrenched drug dealers I'm not saying say you're from Harlem and your uncle's been locked up and your [ __ ] grandfather was locked up this is the family business and you get locked up it's horrible it doesn't make the pain any less but it's just a little more normalized so like the embarrassment that a family that's not used to incarceration feels is enough for me to never do it again and dude and like W.E.B Du Bois talked about that he's like that's the or his counterpart whatever the other dude was that's what he said he was like uh that embarrassment that expectation that white people have is kind of what keeps them in school on the straight narrow you know what I mean I knew I was talking to a guy that got locked up he did like 10 years for selling drugs in Boston he said when he got locked up when he first walked into the prison it was as if it was like college orientation and you were like a sophomore and you saw a freshman from your school come in they were all like dude we're waiting for you yeah is everybody yeah everybody it was just like the guys on their block and he was like oh yeah welcome to the crew like this is where we sit this is where we eat we're waiting for you they got a seat for you yeah literally they were like we knew you're gonna be here yeah yeah so that's that's kind of what I mean by that yeah my parents were embarrassed I did this the expectation is everything the expectation is huge yeah it's huge because even with the Sweden thing happened even though I really didn't do something bad to get in that situation the biggest thing I felt was guilt that I disappointed my mom yeah but she did something wrong in raising you did you know that she busted her ass so I gave you all the opportunities yeah yes I'm doing fine I was the man in there though I was a cool American you were their black friend yeah so so the money's held in your parents like that I gotta say if the posit boxes everywhere okay um connected to Banks don't do that don't don't do that obviously connected to your name like an LLC yeah what's the best way to flip it like you obviously you see the breaking bad [ __ ] where they're you know like do you think about starting a business listen I was very young I was 22 23 when this all started to pop off so I was just started and that's really what began like my financial literacy was because I would I would buy like Rich Dad Poor Dad how to invest I was reading Warren Buffett Dave Ramsey yeah counting my drug money while I was reading uh you know yeah [ __ ] Mark Cuban's books right yeah and uh I should have started flipping it from the beginning from my first 50 000. how do you make it clean can you talk about the gifts I would go by and I do a whole episode on this episode five you gotta launder your money okay they're monetizing it still on YouTube crazy yeah so I I would start buying sneakers okay I had 50 Grand just to move I would pay some kids to go stand down at that Supreme store okay right and and buy 50 Grand worth of sneakers and then we just go put those shits online and sell them even if you take a loss it's 10 grand loss you sell them off for ten percent bro it's less than taxes explain to people explain to people what uh it usually costs to clean money because you can get it professionally yeah yeah longer but what did they take and they're taking like a third I don't know I I have no idea you know like a Scarface is like the they were talking about like 30 right let me do three points on your money yeah whatever but I actually have no idea that's the highest level and even there like that's a way to get yourself caught because you've got a guy putting you know millions of dollars into a shell company it's all traceable still right when you take cash and buy oh he's gonna get clipped of course he's going to talk about your ass that's the first person they go after because the financial crimes are easier to to I guess um there's more evidence there's more proof of these friends always a paper trail yeah but but if I'm because we want it low-key because we want to make sure that we know where our [ __ ] money of course yeah yeah that's the only thing that you can't relinquish any trust you know or like any responsibility it's like I need to know exactly where the bank account is I need to know where the yeah and because of that there's no separation there's no barrier dude I talked to I talked to Roger Reeves he was Pablo Escobar's number one cocaine pilot him and Barry seal I had him on my podcast he had like 50 million in Cayman Island bank accounts and they they went and you know I'm like that's not going to be me that's not going to be I'd rather make 5 million bucks and just launder it over 10 years 40 50 Grand at a time yeah because if I'm the IRS I could conceivably come to you Andrew and be like where did you get the money to buy uh 100 pairs of sneakers yeah but you just get lost there's no way it's just two if you're paying your taxes though exactly you can pay them off right away you so you have bills of sales the only thing you don't have is bills of purchases right bills of sales so when you were the sneakers right you don't have proof of making the money yes exactly well they look at that kind of [ __ ] at a low enough level again 1500 000 I don't think so when you ping it around enough and then you immediately take that 40 Grand and you put it into some real estate yeah right you're just making it inconvenient to track down of course make it hard it's hard for them like if they're getting their pound of Flesh why would they even look into you correct correct I'm almost like finally on IRS I'm like you're paying extra 33 or 40 like exactly like you it's like you tell on yourself first yeah it's like you got you I'm paying you and you I come to you I'm not waiting for you to come to me immediately yeah exactly he also said there's the simplest things I learned from watching this [ __ ] and whatever um the gift situation yeah you can give a gift up to what 16 yeah and I didn't know this I actually did not know the Shawshank [ __ ] uh what's that the scene of Shawshank you can gift your you can gift your wife up to 10 grand remember he tells the the CEO that yeah tells the CEO that he tells the CEO that you could gift your wife up to yeah he goes do you love your wife and the CEO is about to beat you know they're dangling them over the building yeah but that's what he starts doing all the taxes okay so break down the gift so now it's up to like what did I say on the episode 16 000 I had to research that because I know I did not know that back then somebody if I'm your mom I can gift you just give you sixteen thousand dollars don't have to declare it on my end yeah and it's tax-free on your end yeah so and actually I did that a few times like because I did have an LLC open I would just give my boys five grand each here let's fly to Vegas just don't burn it all in the chips and then give me the receipts and we go cash out and then we go put that back all right don't burn it on the chips buy bread and chips yeah you know lose 2500 of it and then we'll go and then exactly and then give me the bill of sale thank you so on a low level you can have 10 friends give you a gift every year exactly 160 000 use laundered exactly as opposed to hey I'll cut you a check for 16 000. you give to me sixteen thousand and now my money you're allowed to receive infinite gifts yeah correct tax-free correct There's No Limit there's no one per year so you have to basically give them money so that they can give you the gift correct now now if you're tied into a big if you have a big Federal Rico indictment yeah they're going to come they're going to come lean on those people right but you know I give advice to like middle class I'm making a million a year yeah drug dealers yeah that's the way you do it is you get the [ __ ] out of the game yeah you know is there a game now with like weed being legal Pharmaceuticals being so dope yeah I almost feel like like I almost feel like all drugs are getting squeezed out like I mean that for real like yeah yeah it's sad like Pharmacy it's sad it's sad there was a good back in my day it was coke Heron and weed it was CBS NBC yeah ABC it was a simpler times now it's a goofy ship yeah but it's it's goofy [ __ ] but it's almost like more safe it's like you could get a similar high from your parents [ __ ] uh what's called medicine cabinet right without the risk of having something illegal on you the weed you're just getting from the store yeah so I'm like yeah being a drug dealer now nah but the drug dealers are they're into the pills too they're like oh so they're basically getting the pills and then flipping the pills so people got you yeah and I I guess drug dealers are selling perks and yeah perks I don't know I don't know it was never my game I never liked small change I never liked small change items I've also I've heard that like weed has actually become more popular for like small drug dealers now that it's been legalized actually that's true why is that because the taxes 80 or 75 of the the uh marijuana Market in California is still illegal still in the black market so that makes sense because if you decriminalize it now I don't have any risk in buying it from a drug dealer and if I'm a drug dealer I don't have any risk in selling it because decriminalize and if it's that much cheaper these dumb [ __ ] tax weed yeah it's a more drug dealers again yeah more people are smoking weed on top of that so like if I'm a kid that's like oh I don't want to smoke a weed but now I'm like oh I love you know now that's legal yeah it's better for the consumer it's worse for the dealer because everybody's dealing now too so yeah there's crazy back in my day I took that risk knowingly because nobody else wanted to take it and more or less and that's where that that Vig that fee came in you know yeah now everybody's selling it the only way to really get rich is an American drug dealer is to have huge grows huge and then sell it wholesale to a bunch of dispensers so the jail was a big buried entry that allowed you to make money because most people are not risking jail guys like me like there's no more there's no more just got middlemen Pure middlemen never touch the scale I go take the bricks and just give them to the next guy right right because now because now if I'm a drug wholesaler a dealer in Philly New York I could just go straight to California and make a deal with the grower himself right but back in the day those were secret connections because now that the Growers are public exactly you can Google them you'd call them bro they take down these huge grows out in the desert like Palm Springs area greenhouses with tens of thousands of plants they'll rate it like it's a drug raid nobody will go to jail just write them a ticket here you go wow are you are you able to like suss out when someone's playing with drug money like like if you had gotten out clean you would have had this real estate business you would have been chilling on like a Mill and everyone would have been like wow this guy's just like good at business or something or if his parents gave him money whatever they would have thought something about you because but if I meet someone that has like a small business and they're like making a bunch of money and I don't really get it I never assume drugs I always assume like inheritance or their genuses or Bitcoin or some [ __ ] yeah are you able to like figure out like oh no this person's playing with drugs well if they're white I always assume it's an inheritance financially responsible you know um no I I don't I don't I don't even know I don't think like that right like um if if somebody's good at legal business it doesn't matter how they got their drug money because they would have been good at this [ __ ] regardless you know that's interesting wait wait wait do you really believe that yeah yeah now now if I hear people say that but I don't I don't I don't buy it you don't think Jay-Z would be Jay-Z if he didn't sell drugs he totally would wait what was the question just so I can understand I don't think Jay-Z would be Jay-Z right now if he never I think Jay-Z happened to be a really good businessman that also sold drugs I think there are a lot of people who sell drugs I think it's a much easier thing to be profitable on because there's much less competition right Jay-Z needed the drug game to give him what do you mean like Jay-Z needed to open a pizza shop it's like 75 [ __ ] pizza shops in New York if you're selling cocaine it's like not that many people are going to take that risk sure sure so so when you have something simple like a pizzeria like of course having a bunch of drug money helps you expand right away right right um but you probably could have you could have done that regardless would it just take any longer you know what I mean I feel like selling drugs would be helpful for international export import businesses even if they're legit because it's about building those relay relationships and making sure that there's enough of a moat around those relationships where you can get that product be it legal it could be [ __ ] olive oil but being able to connect that person with this person over here like what you're doing right building enough Connections in [ __ ] a developing country you can see a country kind of changing around you go oh I need to tap into certain industries like I feel like drug dealers would be really good at that but once it's open market I don't know if I could say specifically that they could apply the same business practices to like you really want to compete with Bezos like there's no way you know what I mean these guys are savages yeah well drug dealing built a lot of America definitely go to Medellin I mean it looks like [ __ ] Beverly Hills it's crazy Miami culiacan Mexico dude yeah there's no homeless people I met Los Angeles absolutely looks worse than culiacan Mexico the only legal industry is tomatoes and and they're Farmers you know what I mean that's how they learn how to grow weed Goods back in the day so but but that money absolutely pays for public work [ __ ] you know all different kinds of things wow but you know to your point like I don't know I think I think good business people would be that way regardless just drugs gave them a boost let me put this I think it's very possible that there are people that are good at business and happen to fall into drug dealing and I think that's also possible that there are people who aren't that good at business but since they're dealing drugs they're having more successful business I think that Jay-Z is a specific type who's like yeah whatever he was going to do he was going to be really good and also Jay-Z didn't take his drug money and start Rockefeller that was done who is it big big who got ended up getting locked up so it wasn't even his drug money it was just his selling drugs that gave him a little bit of talk about yeah yeah I think you're doing I was thinking about this I think that you're doing a good job of like embracing a thing that people are interested in and like what I think a lot of people do is when they want to get into stand up but they're known from for another thing they almost like have like a resentment for I know you've been doing stand up for a while but they almost have like this resentment for this other thing that they're known for and it's like that's you're lucky people know you for something you got to get it how it comes yeah and then you funnel a certain like for me for earlier my my my career I was doing obviously MTV stuff I had this podcast with Charlemagne the God and I knew that a certain amount of those people might be interested in my stand-up and I was so grateful yeah that I could funnel some of them yeah and then that was able to grow and build all these kind of cool things but I think it's a smart thing that you don't go oh I need to only be seen yeah as a stand-up comments like this is an interesting part of your life yeah it is you clearly are passionate about and it's and it's I think it's smart to funnel and then hopefully you get 10 of these people that's not like it it's in that 10 to 20 30 40. but don't yeah that would be my only advice it's like Embrace this you got to take what the games the game gives you it's like the drug game right like I can't I can't go be uh a Kingpin anymore but you know the game gave me this I was born you know in an era in a historical era in in a geographically advantageous place and it's like I can't be a crack Kingpin but like I can go do this right and let me just work with what I got and play the cards I'm dealt was there was there any party that was like oh I'm gonna try to link up with the Mexicans or Colombians and just work on that end and like go higher than middle man [ __ ] or are you not allowed in because you're not family well that that but I did have one of them approached me to to bring me in on like a big time like Coke shipment because I can see you being beneficial for them like okay I'm like go to business white dude that can interface with all these white middle men in the country I speak Spanish well now now if I was still in the game I'd be at the border because back in the day they would only sell to their people right right but as I told you now it's Americans going down to the border and buying wholesale from the cartel and the cartel is retreating back to the safety of Mexico so I could go down to Tijuana and be like I'm I will go in on I got 100 kilos I gotta move right you've got a couple of mules I'll split the cost with you but I'm just going to pay for all these bricks right here so you're saying you would go across the border yep because you get them for 10 grand cheaper just by Crossing that in business you just drive it to Tijuana and that is the leverage Point The Leverage point is controlling the distribution it's easier to buy it on this side because the risk has already taken of course you want to take the risk yeah because there's the bread with the risk yeah right bigger the problem the bigger the money associated with it okay yeah so so okay break that down now if you oh this is kind of fun now if you were to get in the game what it can you talk about yeah you can talk about this okay now you're getting the game how do you do it how do you get it across how do you stay safe how much money am I starting with just make up a number I'm a reasonable number 100 000 is that reasonable I think hundred thousand yeah yeah so I could you know a price at the border with my connections um no let's back up if I if I got a hundred I'm going straight you're not a felon so you can't cross right I can go anywhere I got passports I got a Canadian passport oh bro I got an Easy Pass dog yeah okay good good good good yeah so this thing started zero even though you have some connections yeah you're not you haven't gotten clipped yet so yeah okay so say I got a 100 racks yep okay so I'm gonna go to Medellin because I can go to La officeina who are the offshoots of the Pablos and Jorge's Medellin cartel they're the guys who are running it now so I would go I would say just give me five joints it's ten grand five joints is uh joint is a kilo okay give me five units okay give me five units and I'm just gonna stick in a unit yeah that's ten Grand that's that's an easy risk uh I'm gonna pay somebody to help me you know know disguise it uh you know maybe they work at DHL which is international FedEx right and I'm simply going and I'll create a fake company do all that ground work yeah I'm simply going to mail it to the United States hold on as simple as simple as just buying it in Colombia yeah you take the coke you just mail it to dress it up where would you mail it in the United States how do you dress it up I would I would mail it to I have to think about that you I mean maybe you mail it to a Colombian neighborhood like Jackson Heights Queens right yeah because it's a there's an expectation why wouldn't something Colombian go to jail are they going to look at extra closely as DHL going to look extra closely in any Colombian package it will only be Customs on that side only because it look on the Colombian side you mean American Customs it'll just be the same as any sorting facility package it'll just be like it's just a risk and it's just random audits right yeah just random audits but I'm playing the numbers exactly and down there it's virtually impossible because I'm dealing with the right people to get knocked I'm not getting arrested down there it's not happening so you know and maybe I find a product what does Colombia export a lot of furniture coffee fine but let's do something a little less hack s yeah Furniture Columbia Furniture that's like the easiest premise coffee yeah he said what are they known for [ __ ] Colombian chair fake tits dude we're gonna smuggle them in a bitch's fake tits yeah not a bad idea because we fit in fake like Coke infected um ah let's okay fine I don't know we're gonna make it really small though okay really small coffee is like that's a whole thing like it's enough to fit in like two boxes you know so let's find like a product owned by a company like a Wayfair dresser or something like that yeah that really is what they're known for is exporting Furniture so it's just something like that and then we just go like this because what's so what it gets intercepted I'm gonna know because you can track a package from its origin point where you dropped it off where do you send it to so it doesn't have any connection to you well I'd be online back in the day like oh okay my weed's in Louisville no but it'll be in but where do you send it to oh uh sorry go ahead where do you send it to what address do you send it to so if it does get clipped because if it does get clipped they're probably going to notify somebody and say listen there's a guy over here that was trying to send cocaine to this address you guys should look at it well usually um usually they'll contact that person they'll have somebody if a box gets picked up say it's coming to you in a whatever City a box gets picked up they're going to call you from FedEx and employee will call you and be like hey there was a problem with your package uh it's it's down here just come come down and pick it up and you're gonna say kiss dicks you know but so that's probably what would happen something like that but immediately if it doesn't get there when it says it's going to be there it's a dead package right so that's how we would do it but aside from like going straight to the source and mailing it okay we're going down to Mexico I'm going to take 100 Grand down there you just drive it in from California there's no you don't even go through checkpoints that's how much they're like yeah you just go to Mexico we don't give a [ __ ] it's coming back right so I would drive 100 Grand down there I'd link up with whoever my connect is and I would use him pay him to introduce me to people that can run it across for me so you you basically tell the connect yeah where are the mules because I tell you exactly earlier that they that they basically stopped at the border and they make the people up North but but the big guys you know if you got a hundred thousand or half a million to spend and you're an American drug dealer you're not driving that [ __ ] across you're paying you know they have guys that's like what they do for a living so you basically run the same risk they're going to stop x amount of the cars and you hope that they don't stop the car exactly to pay off a specific border agent so I knew a guy Mexican who had one friend who worked at on the American side he was a Mexican-American worked for the border at the San Ysidro Crossing into San Diego they one day a month the cartel paid him I want to say 40 grand every month for one day a month let it in they would give him the license plate number and just he would see it because he was working at the checkpoint stand and we just pass him through [ __ ] that's it yeah wow so that happens a lot and that's not even anything special nothing special it's nothing super deep you only took like a few cars anyway and you're a Border guard you make an extra half a million a year wow do you think every single Border guard is getting paid like that not every single one but there's a shitload would you say half I mean it seems like so insignificant so insignificant it's one car yeah one day a month yeah you let it go no as many cars he would say like if you had three license plates that's just one day a month but it's one day whatever you can get through so so the other days you can clip [ __ ] of course so no one even knows of course of course in fact I'll do you one better Border guard I will let you know when some mules are bringing some drugs yeah I'll clip them so nobody says anything yeah they feed people yeah [ __ ] yeah do those mules know that they're food no they don't know their food wow I hooked up with this chick in Columbia she had swallowed cocaine before bad [ __ ] right and but poor you know so it's either you marry a uh you know a cartel member or like can you fit a half a kilo in that cute little tum tum whoa and walk across you know and fly to New York and she would be like yeah you know there'd be like 10 of us on a plane but I only knew about one of them and she was like yeah I know the cartel will will call up TSA and be like look out for Maria Consuela yeah but then the other eight walked through it's dirty bro wow it's dirty dirty so yeah I wouldn't want to I would not do any of that that's real that goes from being businessman drug dealer to criminal yeah exactly it's snitching it's ratting it's despicable but that's but I but paying somebody a fair price for the risk yeah you know the risk baby and I gotta say I got 20 kilos that I bought we're gonna break them up into four different cars five kilos so far that's okay exactly 75 exactly and that's still profitable it's still profitable and I just bought them for 12 Grand a piece so and then I'm just breaking and then what I would do is is we're just gonna go stone for stone on that maybe sell ounces just just Kibbles and we're just gonna break it up Graham uh you know uh eighth half ounce at a time like if I got 10 kilos across I'm taking my time I'm squeezing all the profit out there I'm not gonna sell wholesale even though I can sell it for a 10 grand markup wholesale to a dealer yeah I'm just gonna bust it down and just sell it out why why why why not just just run it back if you haven't gone because I maximized because because I can either make 10 grand selling it to you wholesale or I can make almost a hundred thousand a gram of good blow 100 like unstepped on blow in LA right now is 100 bucks that's a hundred thousand dollars off a thousand grams in a kilo over a few months I just paid 12 grand for it you know so plus whatever my costs were so he can charge even more if they know your stuff is trustworthy because there's 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26th obviously Pat stay legendary Battle Rapper big fan of the podcast always supported us we want to support him and his family so get your tickets for that at kotd.com it's going to be a crazy battle battle rappers from every League apparently that's a big deal that doesn't happen often so get your tickets there for that as well if you're in Canada or anywhere near bye let's get back to the show however I think in Switzerland Switzerland used to have a really bad heroin problem I really think they're government clinics that are injecting synthetic heroin into junkies now I think Portugal legalized everything they did back in the next day it was such a bad drug problem yeah but you still go to prison for selling drugs so yeah it's the usage that is decriminalized yeah exactly so but they they do that in Portland now Seattle San Francisco you can buy shrooms and [ __ ] yeah all those super and then but like and it's a mess it's a mess but is it a mess before yeah I don't know I don't know why it's a separate like why is why are white people born so [ __ ] weird bro you're the only like well the normal guy that I've met from point and I mean this sincerely you're from Eugene there's something dark out there yeah I'm not even trying to like bust balls I'm being dead serious it's like dope all my people in Portland are going to see this go in no but there's like a like Mark said it he was like yo like I think this is what happens when when white people don't have God and like no yeah there's like too many strip clubs yeah there's just there's not enough sun and there's like this apathy yeah it's like an amorphous blob of humanity there is like a sapping just [ __ ] is that about well look I grew up in 90s Portland so a little different but believe it or not I did not know one trans person okay I didn't even know Portland's trans and scores of black people I knew that back in the day now it's everybody's got blue hair everybody is antifa yeah or or yeah they're just white people with no ambition right yes but they're acting for some sort of identity they can latch on because they're missing there's no New York has hustle because it doesn't rain as much you think Portland had rain so much we were like oh my God yeah the reigning is uh the raining is like a really disgusting like the cold is one thing but there's something about rain that just smells but I think about Ireland yeah Ireland England Ireland creates this beautiful art like you look at like music poetry like these actors it's like it's Ireland is like white Jamaica that's the way I look at it where it's just this tiny little island that produces like all this like amazing artists but like struggle too though it comes from struggle you know white people from the west coast of Portland acting like they struggling yeah don't make any art no maybe back in the day where was uh no Seattle Washington whatever clear you know like like Courtney why is there so much KKK still up there Mark actually had a good point when we went to Seattle and he was saying Washington was kind of founded on this like white supremacist idea and then you have the people who reject that so they're going to be the most liberal the more races of places the more liberal the capital cities yes exactly and I don't want to say that Texas is racist whatever but like Austin is like super because of how like right and I think you'll see that in most places yeah um but to your question I mean I think that's what it is yeah it's just it's it's not having culture it's not having enough diversity and and it's just it ain't nothing to do and it's everybody's kind of comfortable you know it's boring as [ __ ] but I grew up thank God pre-gentrification thank God like I I my parents were both lawyers ninth grade my boy whose father I later later ended up being my connect bro he's got like a gun and a sack an ounce of crack in gym class I'm holding you know what I mean like that's the kind of dichotomy it used to be that was pretty gentrificing that was pre-gentification but then like the mid-2000s it's like you know it's Portland became the hot City like Austin is the hot City right now that's how like Portland used to be like a mid-level city will just have a moment you know yeah and that's kind of how it was and then you know like all the black people lived in the inner city like I'm right on the line oh you're saying the white people moved into the interstate exactly where and I'm from the inner city grew up like like one block from like the red line where you were not supposed to cross you know but there was tons of blending yeah you know I was like fortunate like it was a good place to grow up yeah but now it's just you know it's just blended into like you feel it too I'm not I'm not biased when I say this like would you say that most people from Portland also did not that like grew up there they recognized because I would ask the Uber drivers I'm like yo what's up with this place yeah and they would be upset at it too yeah it maybe they feel like there's been some trying to kind of transition happen there yeah I think it was I I it was the it was the gentrification it was the gentrification they just they moved the black people around no they just came into the black communities bought up the houses I mean why people bubbled off that [ __ ] too you know that's the thing about gentrification people forget yeah in cities not like New York where you know a lot of these black communities they're living in government housing already like black people in cities that have been gentrified around the country owned that [ __ ] property a lot they got bought out of it it's such a small group that more like that and then everything gets knocked down yeah um but you know like I was up in Harlem they're making money off gentrification in Harlem they're charging one price on Wednesday and they're charging the [ __ ] the white the white price it's like Cuba there's two different yeah exactly yeah exactly yeah yeah that's that's how I get back bro you were saying that European cartels made more money than Colombian cartels absolutely yeah yeah uh their their markup their profit is higher than Colombia but is it the same hustle we were just doing DHL packages over today no no no no no dude the albanians in London the Italian mob and then there because they got the big Port there bro they're going so far as to like send their people to set up shop in Colombia right they're have they're starting Colombian families setting up these big distribution networks where they buy companies have shipping routes and they're so they're me buying the brick for 2000 in Medellin but 2 000 at a time and they're getting them to their people in London where they're going for 60 wholesale they're using they're making deals in the shipping routes like where they're in the shipping business they'll come into like where they trade conflict diamonds and make deal deals with those guys to say don't touch our drugs we won't touch here conflict diamonds there's a show called um if you want to see this it's called zero zero zero it's on yeah Amazon it's a good show they talk about like in dangata where you have to be in the family working with right Colombian uh yeah and do the cartels in Columbia give them any pushback for going to Columbia and starting like I don't think so because they they still own the the factories they still they are still the source getting in that exactly but they love it I think because it's like uh you know the Mexicans don't need them I mean obviously they take them they don't need them but Coke is coking Europe right now is what it was in America in the 80s [ __ ] everywhere yeah it's fire right yeah so yeah but I mean it's like the popularity of it is what I meant like like it's you know like bus drivers in Spain are doing it right like it's it's really like that kind of thing and you talk to these kingpins Uptown and I'm like how is this how are you making so much money they were like it's simple 95 of the people were on drugs that's how a junior Kingpin a 21 year old kid in a week could be a millionaire off crack cocaine not even didn't even have a source with buying it from another black dude or a Dominican who was wholesaling in front of Columbia Community yeah it was drug lines like well unfortunately they really missed out because if they could have like obviously it's a fantasy but think about millions of dollars in your community what a [ __ ] asset what a blessing that is yeah it really was that's a Nino Brown [ __ ] right like you could argue was a better time because at least because a young man a young man now who still doesn't have the same opportunities that a white person has yeah education system still [ __ ] up yeah family's still in prison yeah he now doesn't even have the [ __ ] streets to go feed him now what would the argument against it be there's first of all there is way less racism there is there is more opportunity now not as much but there's a lot more opportunity right right and um and you don't have a whole Community that's missing doing life yeah you know what I mean so that's that's like Financial upside and like yeah as you kind of like zoom out of you know American uh when you look into like American excellence and like you know historic American families like you go back far enough they all sold some illegal [ __ ] he says this Ted Roosevelt grandfather roosevelty Kennedy shows mobbed up Joe Kennedy that guy's a boss like he literally was like yeah my kid's gonna be president and then his kid got [ __ ] lopsided in in the war and they was like okay my other kid will be president and then it happened it happened like because he's talking to Chicago the Chicago mob yeah you know yeah there's some yeah there's some rumors about that not because of course well JFK went in there and he's like I think we're shutting down the mob and he was like whoa how about we [ __ ] reach out my brother as a whole it is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah so I think it's I understand the frustration I'm sure when a community looks at like these like you see these last names the Kennedy Center in DC and it's just like some [ __ ] drug dealer is now lauded over and exalted and if you're a great performer you get to perform at the Kennedy Center that's like this is how we celebrate you you go to some [ __ ] crack dealers yeah theater well money can buy you reputation right like they're paying for they're not doing it because he's a great guy but think about making your kid president removes any stain from your legacy that's the beauty if you guys see narcos season three that's what the Kali cartel was trying to do the Kali cartel so after Pablo gets knocked it's a true story The Kali is number one so there's medella sorry Pablo's Medellin yep and then and the Kali cartel who's actually bigger and moved more product they're the biggest drug Travelers in history they were just low-key about it and they were fly about it and [ __ ] you know back then Pablo wasn't number one no in fact he he was kind of like what Chapo was like really more of a a manager it was Jorge Ochoa by the way we're interviewing next month in Colombia the ochos are in the uh yeah series exactly so uh he was the he found the game is that why he's yeah okay okay he's not the game so um you know a lot of these guys got out yeah and their money is carrying them I mean look at Miami bro yeah a lot of these white boys that worked with the Colombians yeah they took deals right so they they ratted yeah got out in 12 15 years and they got millions of dollars dollars and they are living and they're living life yes and there are Generations that's what Kali was trying to do they made a deal with the government after Pablo got whacked now the spotlight's on them remember it's all about publicity you don't want the [ __ ] hot potato you don't want that he's like you almost want Pablo to be there getting all the shinies of course of course and that's why El Mayo from the Sinaloa cartel was like when Chapo started yeah yeah yeah exactly okay so so Kali Kali went to the government of Colombia and was like we will surrender we will get out of the game we'll do a little prison time down here you're not gonna yeah and we're gonna hold on to our assets yeah but we will make no violence and we will relinquish we will walk away and he references Joe Kennedy he's like there was a man named Joe Kennedy you know in Spanish he and his you know children came went on to become politicals and all that stuff so because that's what Joe was with alcohol right he was a bootlegger exactly I'm pretty sure yeah he worked with the Bootleggers I don't know how involved like he was Hands-On probably pretty Hands-On actually because you know they had connections they're getting it from Ireland these are Irish dudes so they're they're bringing it in from Scotland and Ireland yeah so if the black people in the 80s hadn't had those those sentences It just knocked them out the game Life oh [ __ ] those 25 years kills you if you're back in three but if you're back you have all your money yeah 10 years yeah yeah so you know you guys actually [ __ ] dumb it was dumb of like the American uh judicial system in a way because it's like if they go listen if they come back in three and we make it harder enough for them to continue to sell drugs now you just have all this money that's in this community and hopefully they do legit things with it you build up these communities that have been historically suppressed I don't think Americans you think they were building up the community yeah yeah I think that's the point but yeah but you have to understand also from their perspective which is like it costs them money to police these communities put them in jail like there are certain costs that on the government and on the cities that they don't want to incur if it is in Mexico dude yeah what do you mean by that like because Mexico works that way it's bribery and it's logic they're not going to stop selling crack people aren't going to stop using it let's work something out you know America's dumb now America we want to see results and they have the ability to look back and see what happened with these family because it wasn't only the Kennedys I think the uh who was in the the opium trade one of you yeah I talk about that that was the uh the Roosevelts yeah it's like grandfather Roosevelt Library you can trace back to selling some illegal [ __ ] what's that quote from it's like balls on every great uh Fortune is a greatest even greater crime yeah and that's from like behind January every great generational wealth is an even greater crime yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah [Music] yeah but no it's true man yeah it's [ __ ] true so I understand why like a dude who was in the game and selling drugs is like don't make me look like I'm any different than these [ __ ] you got on the library right of course of course that's like pigs now it's so such a great story so uh Biggs is part of he started to help start Rockefeller yeah he was selling a lot of weed and maybe other things but I know he was big in the weekend so he gets pinched he did like maybe what 10 years or something like that yeah and now he comes out and now he has illegal marijuana business yeah yeah we're going yeah these companies I know that we're going to shoot we're going to shoot with the white boys from Florida the Square Grouper guys they were part of like the same guys who did Cocaine Cowboys did a square grouper we're going to talk to them yeah they have like a legal weed company now but it's so accepted now like if the crack if crack exploded now yes you'd see dudes getting out with less time because it's just way more yeah it's way more Progressive you know I don't think anything hit like crack like like I mean alcohol didn't hit like crack alcohol didn't like destroy the community like crap like it was just a it was a profoundly unique experience yeah but also crack let's be honest there's smokers up there on 154th Street that have been smoking since 86 yeah and functioning sort of I don't know this it's not like heroin it's not like heroin which really turns you into a zombie and you'll you'll you could smoke crack for decades so that [ __ ] was absolutely fear-mongering in my opinion okay you know my understanding is it did the community decays everybody's everybody's addicted to crack the community's [ __ ] obviously it's bad but it's still cocaine you know the biggest problem was the violence because he's a 20 year old kid down the block I'm a 20 year old kid you guys are amazing there's millions of dollars at stake I'm not even a bad guy but it just turned me into a killer because that's just what it was back then yeah and why wouldn't he start selling if he sees how you're coming of course dude you could just take over an abandoned storefront open up shop dude and we got it's 50 Grand a day moving through there like it's nothing like that's light work where are they getting the money that's the thing that's crazy yeah yeah where's the community generating it well you know that's also the problem is [ __ ] so they're they're like what they're robbing other people like yeah yeah I mean yeah like how do you get like so they're making a million dollars a week right that means a million dollars need to and if they're just selling to the community that means you need to get a million dollars cash into that community so that's where the trickle down of yeah violence and crime comes from and that's probably why the white people got worried because they're like oh no hold on hold on if y'all had enough money in in your community to support this on your own that'd be fine but you're coming over here you're robbing our [ __ ] but actually bro go watch that that crack documentary it's called crack on Netflix it was Charles Rangel it was it was black people he was the senator or the representative I think he's dead now but he was he was the Harlem you know congressional representative yeah and it was black people that leaned on him they were like you got to go to Congress and tell them to do something Reagan was like you know he's racist he was like yeah whatever let these animals wipe themselves out yeah but you know when mothers start seeing and why wouldn't they of course so they were like do something and so there was this huge over-correction so it was really you know like black people don't want to hear that sometimes but like it was that they were like about that he's like we spoke to the black caucus and the black caucus was begging us to make these changes yeah as of course they would you see the community get decimated you're looking at the police you're looking at the politicians like you're supposed to serve us what are you going to do but then then it went you know now you got Biden right in the [ __ ] super Predator bill yeah and you see you see all those contracts from prisons everybody making money from prison you see what they're donating to every correction is an over correction every correction especially in America yeah especially in America everything is based on that perception like I don't know is it you said that or Al said that but like everything is how do I let the constituents know that I've done something for it yes yes it's not what is the best thing for these people it's what is the best [Music] there was a black caucus that went to Reagan and I'm not saying the correction was wasn't an over correction but doesn't that kind of prove that crack was decimating the community in a way that they were going to Reagan me like please do [ __ ] something yeah yeah I mean more so just the crime for people trying to sell it yeah yeah it's not necessarily just the drugs opportunities in our communities this is the fastest way I can make money the collateral damage of the drug war the crack is the collateral damage of it because it's hard to I mean you you can OD on crack but it's like I was locked up with a lot of crack smokers you know and you have no teeth and you're dirty but like I've been out there smoking you know and and it's like meth like you can yeah exactly a long time so because that's the thing it's like you see you can get sucked up on cocaine that way on Powder cocaine yeah you know they're just trying to sell crack like it's this evil thing when it's really just like an economic response to like something being too expensive but still being really awesome it's got to be awesome yeah were you ever in proposition to like smoke crack no but I probably I'd probably smoke crack once yeah no [ __ ] if it was like if I was still doing drugs if I was still a partier I'd probably now knowing what I know smoke crack yeah but did they ever ask you like remove weapons or move like yeah two months ago when I was down in couliacan they were like you know because we're we're in these trap houses in Korea con Sinaloa these weed houses and they're growing all this weed because now they're open in dispensaries down there okay because there's no more weed traffic in the U.S they can't make money exporting it but they're about to Legalize It Down In Mexico so the cartels are like give me that yeah right so they're opening up trap shops but they look you go into them they look like it could be in La wow customer service and they're branding it they're making gummies and Edibles and all that [ __ ] but it's the cartels that control all of it and they never get raided you know how dare you you're like we're gonna shoot it out so they got they go untouched so that [ __ ] is crazy wild bro if they just start bucking at the [ __ ] Army yeah it's it's no no it's in the rule book it's like when you get a job like here's like the response they're like you're gonna here's the dress code and you're gonna show up in time and if you get raided you will start shooting at them like there's no like should we shoot it out it's like it's like the first response they're coming at us oh they're coming wow and and all those dudes that shot it out with the government last month when they came to ghetto video yeah they're not arrested yeah yeah maybe some of them got killed but they're not going to jail for shooting and not in the rain it's its own government is the strategy like it is in prison like when someone bullies you I'ma fight you and I'm gonna make it not worth it so if you come at me I'm gonna shoot at you that's exactly what it is it's not gonna be we might die but it's not gonna be worth it for you to keep coming it's a deterrent it's like saying you had the balls to come into our city that we pay the rent you know what I mean we pay the light bill we take care of the people take care of the people you're not doing [ __ ] come in and get our guy we're gonna light you the [ __ ] up so it's a deterrent so they think long and hard before they can do that yeah they think long and hard the cartels paying for the cops they're paying for all the local authorities everybody all the way up to the military they're paying all the way up to the military but especially in their area of Mexico like oh yeah we were funding everything yeah so we were on uh exactly but hold on let me answer your question real quick what was your question if I ever asked you for like to bring weapons we're down there in this trap house you know looking at like the grow operations and [ __ ] like I'm holding on to like this guy's got a newsie he's got the Mac 11. I'm like yeah I hold this [ __ ] and he was like you know he was in Spanish he was like yeah if you can get we'll buy as many guns as you can get us down here yeah just drive him down yeah and I was like okay I was like I will keep that in mind because you can go buy because that's where they get all their guns guns are illegal there's no second amendment in Mexico of course so you can go buy I don't know what an Uzi costs in California but just go to Arizona you can buy it like it's a [ __ ] 7-Eleven Tostito you know and it's and you could buy 10 of them and again there's no nobody's checking you going through the border to Mexico so if you can I don't know how hard it is to drive a day down to culiacan but you sell them for four times five times what you bought them for yeah so yeah so yeah absolutely propositions that's how that's like how weapons trafficking yeah of course but back in the game no there's never any that it wasn't really popping backgrounds yeah weapons dealing we're making we're making so much money America's making so much money off the [ __ ] yeah well that's like the Fast and the Furious like CIA [ __ ] that they were doing down there so all those foreigners are getting busted at the oh the military are getting busted out with Americans hustle you drive down a bunch of weapons you get some drugs drive up with the drugs and then you sell it or something else like I wonder if the cartels give money to conservative politicians who are super pro-second Amendment because they know that that's their food they'll be smart as well if you hit it on that you hit it on the nose and also they want the Border they want that border oh they want it locked of course they do because the price of the brick goes up it's really bad over here you keep weapons open and people feel bad for us you get sympathy all CDs and [ __ ] yeah yeah so if they can get things through the tunnel why even waste the time with the cars yeah because because that's a good question with the tunnels you can get that much and they're able with satellites to see this holding up it's called lidar or something's crazy yeah video where they do jumps on you ain't paying me enough for that it's crazy yeah yeah it was Avatar bro it was crazy it was like insane dude they build those shits in the jungle of Columbia and just yeah just load them up and they can make them to Europe yes we were down in Colombia this guy told us hey a a wild story about what the cartels do to the Narco cops so they they have these people that aren't the Narco cops but essentially they do is they try to find the grow sites and they try to unroot the cocoa trees before they grow right and then what the cartels will do now is attach grenades to the bottom of them so when you unroot them you [ __ ] die anybody around you dies so now to pay some poor Colombian guy to do that job it's like 40 of them are gonna [ __ ] die yeah you I'm not signing up no there's no way so that's easy so now no cops will do it so hey problem solved [ __ ] no one takes a couple of them do you know why some countries in Central America are so like cartel governed and why some are just like completely peaceful like a Costa Rica versus uh oh yeah yeah uh tourism is a big one in Costa Rica but also it's just not a strategic point right you know what I mean like you get it into Panama and then you don't have to go to Costa Rica you just go up into Nicaragua uh Honduras and Honduras and that's so they're so poor that you could just pay it's easy to pay the government off so it's strategy and it's also like a failed bypass I think you could or maybe not well you can't bypass Costa Rica is it just go Panama Costa Rica than the rest of Central America I think you have to because Costa Rica has water on both sides interesting so then you just pop it around so you get it to Panama and you just pop it around it and land it into Guatemala that makes sense but it was something that I noticed when I was down there I was like wow this is really interesting you don't feel in any cartel box and what what I was told is that there's like a focus on not having nighttime tourism and at nighttime tourism brings the Coke and the coke brings the [ __ ] animals out exactly right if your whole tourism is built around like 6 a.m yoga you're not gonna have like partying like that yeah and and it was a conscious decision made by the government right also another thing by the government in Costa Rica they don't have an army they made a decision they're like [ __ ] that we're not wasting money if anybody the the the land is so dense that's the Army right like there's no way like you could take them over yeah but it's just gonna be a pain in the ass yeah they also don't have bad [ __ ] like Panama which is a huge issue exactly because if they have bad [ __ ] dudes [ __ ] bad [ __ ] and that will create a cartel did you like them Prestige going around being like the coke dude or like being the drug dude like at parties and [ __ ] no no no you didn't like that like you're at a party you're at a party in Medellin and like all these girls are popping up to you like you don't enjoy the no no no I like just being an American you don't have to be a coke dealer down there if you just got swag and you're not like a scumbag like most of the the animals from Europe and Australia I mean oh disgusting they ruin everything like if you're an American down there you don't have to be a drug dealer you know in fact it's better that you they don't think you are because they get all like and they're like oh we're more than just cocaine like no you're not stop it stop it we didn't know about Coke was it hard to develop a serious relationship like professional yeah well I'll address that first so yeah it's uh it's extremely lonely because you live in the shadows so unless you're surrounded by people who also do what you do yeah cartels family cartels are just families now it makes more sense of course of course it does um no it was like I was living a double life by the end like my friends closest friends didn't even know to the you know the level that I was moving you know yeah so I that's why I want to get out the loneliness like it felt it was like it was it's what we talked about before why do cartels want to be on camera but they got all this money well I had all this money but like nobody knows it nobody knows you you haven't built real relationships before closer they get they're going to find out about this stuff it's like I never had like a relationship with a woman like like a crucial phase where you know you learn how to do that yeah it's like I can't bring her into the mix also I had all these [ __ ] Colombians it also makes an exposes no pushback you have you have collateral like if someone wants to [ __ ] with you you have a personal relationship that's like bro in some way public and there's so many stories I'd be locked up with dudes like bro it's the [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] told it all yeah you know you know like they just take the kid and the woman's immediately like I'll tell you where the drugs are yeah so it was that too yeah so yeah were you lonely yeah I was like depressing and [ __ ] like God damn I mean that's sincerely because that's what I thought about when I was watching and I was like lonely yeah no you don't now which is which is kind of it kind of makes me happy a little bit but when I reflect on what we have and I think comedy can even be really low comedy is mad [ __ ] lonely and I'm like wow I'm so lucky that we built something we have a crew we have family and we can ball bust but also really like trust everybody's intentions around us yeah and I think a lot of times in comedy it's like I I see Comics do this I [ __ ] hate it like we'll like talk and the second we start talking they're like [ __ ] on somebody that's like they're close to their friend and I'm just like yo man yeah wow I can't build with you I know because then what you're gonna say about me the second I leave and I'm like I feel so lucky and then I thought about what you were doing with the drug dealers like man you can't really tell everybody what's stressing you out you can't tell anybody who like what's what's really bad you can't tell anybody how terrified you are you have to create a different version of yourself man exactly yeah that shit's [ __ ] up a little bit I know it's incredible what you build here yeah we're very we're very nothing like this in L.A yeah you know LA's done it's real lonely to begin with but uh yeah it's just people are drowning it's like people are trying to sell comedians in LA are trying to sell drugs like it's 1970. they think we're there uh I'm just gonna go to get rich off cocaine it's like no you're not game has changed people ain't buying it like there was you know so I see that the changing Trends in comedy the way I would look at the trends with drugs so the drug game absolutely helped me in whatever the [ __ ] I'm doing now was it hard for you to like develop close relationships immediately after you go legit you're clean yeah was it hard to just be like to tell somebody the things that are stressing you for sure well especially when I first got out like I moved straight to La you know and people like I'm working at Nobu and Malibu right spilling up espresso on Denzel Washington you know yeah and uh and I got some managers they're trying to tell me to do something yeah and I'm like how about I just throw you over this balcony yeah yeah yeah yeah that's how I got fired I told him that I was I was I had PTSD bro and I'm [ __ ] with the [ __ ] like I guess it's like a me too thing well I didn't know [ __ ] about that I was like sexually harassing everybody [Laughter] you know how old are you when you got out I got I was 26 I went in when I was 24 I got out when I was 26 and I started doing stand-up in prison at these stats these really uh these talent show nights that's where I first learned to kill bro God damn like I think I could do this I have a letter that I wrote to my brother and I was like I don't know what this is like it's like a stand-up I think you have it might have to be black to do this I'm not really sure but like I'm like going in and there was about to be a riot too and I was like I may and it was a little dramatic but I was like I I don't know if I'm gonna get carved up but like yeah they were like warring factions and it is you just feel it when the beef is on like you just feel it and and when the beef is on you just like that's when when you start seeing people in prison wear their boots to the shower yeah that's where you know people it's about to be on [ __ ] yeah and you just instinctually are obviously going to do that of course that's a sign that you're also in on it also no because I'm with Jimmy so Jimmy knows all he spills all the tea my my salad because he's everybody every all the information is going back to Jimmy exactly so he's like dude don't leave the cell block without your shank to go with a bar go with a buddy to the shower pay for protection no but I had to put in work for him yeah like I would smuggle balloons and [ __ ] for him yeah yeah he was like look I want you to get out of here I don't want I want you and because he would see me do the talent shows too and he was like I gotta get you out of here I gotta get you out of here it was like real love like I can't even what a guy yeah bro I owe him my life and he literally is he out yet no he's doing all day and in fact in fact uh I got shipped out and he ended up killing a dude it was self-defense no way it's self-defense yeah but they still trying to get the death penalty for it so it's tough so he's still playing there what's up still keep in touch with him no because this happened like immediately after I left so he's been it on death row his lawyer actually interviewed me came and visited me when I was in LA and he was like this is what happened with Jimmy he's fighting his case can you give him a can you give us a character reference for him I was like yeah absolutely wow but did you ever consider moving like drugs in prison well I moved them around prison sometimes because Jimmy would be like look I'm gonna make sure you don't get killed or suck a dick but nobody rides for free you know yeah so I had to do some of that [ __ ] yeah the worst of it was like because you know I'm not a gang affiliated so I'm the perfect guy to move like a balloon from the cell block to the kitchen you know what I mean now do the other gangs start to realize that and do they also give you a pass because you're getting the drugs around that they might also use no no he knew nobody knew only the people only no only the people that were supposed to know knew right so it's like I might have had to jam a little balloon in my balloon yeah [ __ ] would you plug it but that's the only way yeah oh yeah whole video yeah yeah you plug it it's like a tampon you make sure that little end of the balloon is out there so you pull it out at the end right yeah you maybe get a little mayo some Vaseline lube it up yeah yeah it doesn't go deep you know I mean it depends that's really up to you yeah yeah he's like it's a big ship and you're like God damn it [ __ ] dude I gotta do [ __ ] kegels you know or the opposite of keywords right and what was the currency in this system it was just like cigarettes and [ __ ] it was it was money on yes of course it was like it was cigarettes it was you know cup of noodles but for drugs like cigarettes are illegal in there now oh really so yeah so that's a whole other [ __ ] business for gangs in there tobacco's illegal so what is replace tobacco as the currency no tobacco's in oh what has replaced it um if you're buying drugs that's cash if you're if you're an inmate you're a junkie and you need just a little [ __ ] two to meth and I'm Jimmy I'm selling it to you you're gonna send money to one of my people on the one of your people on the outside is going to send money to one of my people on the outside once that goes through you get your drugs wow because dude you know why what I heard non-smokers in prison other inmates started complaining yeah can you just shut down smoking like dip or like smoking outside in the yard crazy exactly I mean everybody smokes anyways right everybody smokes but it's like it just creates another big business wow for gangs what about like cell phones and [ __ ] like that did you ever actually get that [ __ ] in um were you in there when the cell phones were more prevalent yeah this was like 2010 so there were no iPhones there were no Tick Tock accounts yeah yeah well there's probably some inmates locked up right now watching this show yeah you know what I mean yeah so it's wild but no shout out to y'all um Jimmy had a couple of cell phones we never kept them in our cell right but it was about a thousand bucks it's about a going rate to pay a guard to bring that [ __ ] in for you you might not have needed this because you had Jimmy but I'm curious you're very charismatic guy I notice when you walk in you greet Everybody by their name all of us is that something you've developed in prison no it's respect right away is respect right away it's carrying yourself tall it's you know and plus I'm just physically big so it's like I'm not just an immediate victim right you know what I mean so but it's like you you give love to get love yeah sometimes you don't even get it back but you know you're not you're not you're never out of line did you sit with Jimmy and all them like no I never said I could you never let me sit with him he would never I would never associate with them you know on the yard or anything like that because he didn't want the person yeah so it's also to his benefit because he can use you as a mule yeah and nobody's gonna know absolutely where'd you sit I sat with just some other non-affiliated dudes white boys but like the the the racial segregation isn't as strict in Oregon just because there's less races right less [ __ ] so it's not like California where you've got the Mexicans relax the whites yeah yeah predict the intake of these guys right over here like who's getting what's happening at each one day one for tax evasion because I know what it's like if you're saying what happens what happens what does he do I feel like everybody's really enjoying what's good hour one did they even go after the Indians there are no Indians in prison so maybe I could like teach them about your Mexican you know what I mean well yeah you're not in prison bro yeah you're running with you're if you're in Oregon you're running you're you're either Latin you're Latino or you're running with the Native Americans the natives they call them Jesus yeah yes and the natives was some there were some hard hard [ __ ] really yeah yeah they put in a lot of work I mean they're Warriors after all you know what I mean so that good one yeah exactly you just started coughing I spent half of my time when I was locked up so I was I did eight months in county and then a little over six months in a Max and then I got classed down to minimum and and for a couple of months okay cool yeah were you ever in solitary yeah how did you stay why'd you go to solitary first so immediately County Jail fighting uh right my second or third fight they put me and that's bro and that's the reason I ended up in a Max in the first place is because every time you immediately go in there everything every infraction you get written up for so as soon as I go for my sentencing the the the D.A who's trying to lock me up is already pissed that he's not getting me on a RICO he's not getting me on something big could get me to rat yeah so he's like Mitchell bare minimum so they're gonna make it he was like this look at this son of a [ __ ] not only did he have the balls to [ __ ] move drugs and we're like objection no drugs were found that doesn't matter you know like to do what he did that audacity he's in he's fighting he's causing all kinds of Racket you know so immediately the the system is like oh he's a high risk right so now I'm in with [ __ ] Killers right I said something when you were going inside interrupt but I I this struck me real quick it was the the isolation yeah yeah yeah yeah is that as bad as everybody makes it seem like it's worse how long were you in I think it's worse because they keep the light on yeah it's not like Andy Dufresne Shawshank it's like straight up you know black it's torturous because you're trying to go to bed and you're [ __ ] under a light like that how long was it uh so for fighting you do like two weeks and what did you did you do anything you do 30 days in prison two weeks about encountering what'd you do to stay Sharp uh [ __ ] wrote letters I started writing screenplays right and uh and just jerk off till there's no just jerking dick off your body you don't have any human interaction at all yeah yeah well well actually because it's in you do have human interaction you just don't see anybody you're interacting with the people that are on in the solitary wing and so that's where you get like people will pass notes to each other by hooking it on like taking a piece of string hooking a note to like a pencil and just dangling it out and fishing exactly [ __ ] like that but it's like if you ever get some wild [ __ ] no I never this guy Andre that I was talking to he said he was he was put in there for like eight months or something solitary for eight months yeah and stab somebody you'd be in there for a year yeah how do you cope with it so he was like okay I'm in there for the first two or three months he's like reading a bunch but every like three months he's in he's like next to like the hardest guy in the whole prison that was there like three months before him and right around like three to five months he starts smearing [ __ ] all over himself he starts going crazy he starts yelling at people but like the guy next to him starts going crazy and then another guy at three months starts going crazy and another like he sees people falling like dominoes like and so he feels the wave coming and he's sitting there being like all right it's been two months it's coming and I feel myself starting to lose it and I'm not getting any notes and no one's sending me money like nothing's happening and so he starts getting newspapers and like trying to solve geopolitical problems and like doing crosswords and [ __ ] so like he'll be reading the newspaper he'll be like uh Ukraine Russia and he's like okay what would I do if I was Putin yeah what would I do if I was uh you know Ukraine what like he tries to solve every problem and then read it again and then again and again just to give your brain exercise or else you just lose your mind I would create stories in my mind like how I would have done it differently yeah I mean and I would go back to the beginning and I would create these whole movies in my head that's how I started writing screenplays right story you know what I mean yeah that's how that that was the the beginning of that the Genesis of that was in solitary right just trying to pass the time because if you're not actively putting your brain to something mush you'd literally just study in French yes they give you books sometimes you go in there and there would only be like two books and one time I was in there and it was like a French to English like dictionary so I'm just in there like trying to learn French because why the [ __ ] not best thing you read in prison oh my God uh they're making it into a show finally now uh there we go boom what what is it easily yeah it's uh you wanna do the honors yeah you got it okay so set in India uh and it's about uh based off the true story of this white boy wild ass dude he's a bank robber in Australia um he escapes from a Maximum Security Prison in Australia and makes it to India and he starts working for the Bombay mob because they got big Mafia over there in Mumbai Bombay Mumbai so yeah it's just the whole Odyssey and it's like a thousand pages and it's beautifully written and you were locked in exactly I was locked in bro does it feel like time's flying I'm trying to imagine like is it like time flies in prison though people forget really time flies in prison when you're on a routine and every day is the same and you know you're getting fed every day at the same time and going to yards the same time markers on you couldn't even imagine it and I at one point I feel like that for me bro well because you're short timing oh so you don't have your routine you don't have your job exactly these different things every day I'm just thinking on this day you will ever do in prison is the very first day but but you know you got a stretch to do you better forget all that [ __ ] that's true you know yeah so if your team speeds it up explain it yeah absolutely and if you can live in the moment it's kind it puts you in the moment like we're always thinking about the next thing right yeah yeah so when you're worried about getting butt [ __ ] it's like laser function yeah yeah yeah fighting off a bear yeah I gotta worry about a shadow ban on Instagram when I got a guy trying to [ __ ] you know yeah and there is no next thing it's every day is the same yeah so so there was a moment where I I felt myself slipping into this like uh this presence and it was it was really it was peaceful what do you mean it when I got on the routine and when uh you know Jimmy would get shipped off to like medical because he had medical problems so sometimes it'd be a week or so in the cell alone I'm like up and I'm reading a good book and there's no Funk and I'm just like watching the days go by and I'm like this ain't bad I could do a couple more of these oh really yeah yeah I was like it's really it's you said no that's a that's a weird feeling you know dudes get institutional yes I was about to say like imagine being in prison and then having that like organic emotional reaction of this is pretty good bro this is that would [ __ ] with now you have accidental crisis Andre said he would leave and he would like after he got he spent 15 years he would go up to like the mountain and look over the prison and just look at it and just remember what it was like to have everything done for you when he was out when we got out he said he missed it so much he was like thinking about doing crimes just to go back because he's like [ __ ] like I just missed like waking up food is taking care of all my best friends were there my whole life was prison everything I know was this and now I got to figure out what to do I got to make my choices in life yeah in the prison I was at they would try to you know start [ __ ] get in fights yeah and they normally don't fall for it yeah they don't fall for it like like if he [ __ ] around and punched a guard like it's too big dude Rodney he'd done like all day right so many years most of his life in prison and they they didn't even charge him they're like nope you got to go big fella yeah because we got bed space yeah we got to fill it up because somebody else is gonna be right around the corner to [ __ ] take your [ __ ] what jobs did you have I worked in the prison kitchen and that was convenient for Jimmy because that's where I would meet the dude to [ __ ] you know exactly did you randomly get that job or did he assign you like no no I just took the job it was a huge mistake because first of all because after two days I was like oh this is horrendous you know why why because it's work you know yeah it's still a drug dealer and I'm working with all these Mexicans and my nickname was perezoso lazy I'm like guys yeah yeah we don't you take a break that's the Mexican work ethic like they said pride in washing a prison tray it's wild that was like a stand-up thing for them but you like siestas you're more like napping yeah yeah I got the mullet now yeah yeah the Spaniards so so yeah no but I so I went to the lieutenant I'm like yo I'm done and he was like no no no well fine but you're gonna lose a month of good time how'd you like that so in other words I signed up for a job didn't want it anymore and they were like we're going to take good time away and they have the ability to do that just because you want to stop doing it exactly it's like slavery Bro think about that Freedom over your head because you don't want to work for a dollar a day it's wild yeah and then Jimmy was like just chill we're about to live good and here's also yeah there's also a little thing you gotta do but so worth it it seems like your relationship it was it was so worth it yeah yeah exactly and our and our cell bro it looked like a 7-Eleven the snacks my dog really yeah Jordans what was the uh wait what's the etiquette like in the cell like do you have like give an example so so obviously was he a clean freak it's like being in in with a career military guy that's like and if I would go out of the cell with like my shirt a little wrinkled he'd be like no no no you're not going to Chow looking like that my hair had to be combed because I just wanted to roll out like a college kid and be like yeah yeah everybody yes and all the car they call them cars that's the The Gangs the clicks you better come out looking sharp with your shirt tucked in yeah because it's like because it's like this we have to have something and dignity is basically all we have okay question is this the first time you've had true honest camaraderie in like five years six years before you even start dealing like is this the first person you feel like you can actually respond with um like I'm wondering if partially that's what you miss about it which is like you can tell people things in there you can actually be friends you have to live a double life he was he was like a your favorite uncle he was bbcame a family member because you had to [ __ ] lied everybody yeah yeah he was like a parent you know and I would be like yo I'm so [ __ ] depressed my life is over and what he should have done was been like I'm never getting out so I will just I'm just gonna I'm gonna beat you to death for talking that [ __ ] but instead he listens instead he listened yeah wow you can confide in him and other people while you were locked up you weren't afraid that they would you know try to use information you told them and no I'm on a stu judge a character you know so it's like I would never share that with somebody that wasn't in the family oh God but he would tell me he'd be like don't ever talk that [ __ ] to anybody else you said something you talked to a lifer you talk that [ __ ] to him he'll well he has no incentive not to kill you other than how he feels a little tired after lunch and you know he did indeed sorry we were going to say you said something that was that was interesting in your series you said there's a difference between a snitch on a rat I didn't know this yeah yeah sorry about that so A snitch uh a snitch is just you did what you had to do on the outside maybe you took a deal you know uh it's still you'll get a beat down you know you'll wear a snitch jacket when you you'll have to probably be in protective custody PC up that's what we call having a jacket I got a jacket it means you have bad paperwork that means you're either a snitch and then four or you're a uh you know you've got a sex crime that's having a sex jacket but a rat is is when you're running in prison working you know doing dirt putting in work and you're informing on uh you know your crew oh so okay and that's going to get you tagged up that's good you're gonna be killed and that's not just in prison like you could be a rat out no snitching on the street it doesn't call immediately for you uh getting killed in prison like if you're a bank robber and you know you're out there robbing banks with a dude and you took a deal and might have informed on him like and you go to prison you hit the yard you might get a beat down or you might just be shunned right uh but you're not necessarily it doesn't it's not a death sentence but if you're if we're running dope in prison and I get jammed up and you I tell the whole [ __ ] bro it's it's a wrap yeah the five dudes are gonna run in my cell and just [ __ ] game over yeah if you're an informant on the streets or you were around at that point when you're like constantly feeding information yeah I mean uh you know I don't know we're mincing words right but that's doesn't necessarily I would just call that a snitch because it doesn't necessarily uh uh translate to how you're treated on the inside okay you know what I mean it just means you're going to be shunned at best beat down and forced to live with you know rotten scum horrible people yeah it's Jimmy this Jimmy connection like is really interesting to me your guys relationship what was he in there for he was a biker he was a Hell's Angel he claims to know the original real Walter White Breaking Bad claims it yeah even though that was based on some truth yeah it's based off a real guy and they were moving ICE this was back in like a previous meth yes yes this is back before you know back in the 80s when uh the Mexicans weren't making meth at all because you could just get as much uh what is it Sudafed Stateside yeah and then we just have these big Cooks yeah so he was involved in that yeah but he got sucked up on it you know he was he became a junkie smoking his own [ __ ] so he's there for drugs no we ended up whacking his partner okay so he's there for murder right you're you're bonding with this guy and like building a very deep relationship with a dude that you also know is a murderer yeah do you have his partner they turn on his partner like they turned on a person that he was like working with felt horrible for it yeah I'm like I'm so curious he was so spun out yeah not in his right mind and he claims he went to Rob him and didn't intend on killing him which is also a possibility yeah right he's a guy who's high in meth it's just like those kids that came to Rob us playing Mario Kart right yeah yeah it slipped and bam yeah does it give you like more forgiveness like do you understand that people are yes absolutely judge in the context of their situation absolutely absolutely I mean the same with these [ __ ] kingpins you know they're just getting out in Harlem that we interviewed like yeah everybody's got bodies on them multiple bodies yeah and they all have normal everyday problems worries concerns loved ones people they love yeah you know just sometimes the game that's the drug game yeah you know what I mean sometimes you're born into it too sometimes you don't even really have a choice yeah if it's a family thing you know yeah yeah I I don't accept that as it's hard well talk to me about that yeah because I every you've really got a choice you have a choice down to like my choice to risk my life to not join a gang in prison over being like well I got to protect myself I might have to go kill somebody immediately exactly exactly and now obviously and logically too I'm like let's tool up and if you got a problem with it come see me in my cell and if I end up killing you in self-defense at least I can beat a life sentence right that so I'm thinking about it logically too but I'm like you know that there's there's choices to be made yeah you know did your parents send you money yeah oh yeah and what was their like what was that process like of like getting sentenced well they sent them I gave my mom cash before I went into oh really like I told them where they could find some money smart yeah what was that phone call like when you were talking to them after you got jammed up well for yeah that's the first phone call you make it's always to your mother so and like they hear this is a call from the Multnomah County jail and she was like John and I was like she was very calm about I was like Mom it's happened I need you to call the fat man that was my lawyer obese guy Gorski is his real name shout out he had four fingers on one hand but he was the one of the best goddamn criminal defense lawyers yeah that is [ __ ] and I'm like that guy's eating he must be winning some games exactly bro so so I was just like it's happened I need you to call the fat man Gorski yeah and she's like okay she's like okay you know devastated but when you get locked Beyond crying yeah um when I'm locked up yeah when they see me Shackled like Daya sentencing it's like dude that age 10 years yeah you can't wait what you do to your family is like you can't even have you like you feel like you've apologize enough for that or do you are you have you compartmentalize it you must feel guilt about well yeah yeah I did for I did for a long time I did for sure I feel more guilty now and be honest I was a kid then I was very selfish yeah very selfish yeah I didn't feel that much guilt over them I was like uh I was mad that they were mad almost like you knew who I was like I'm I'm I'm running yeah [ __ ] I'm sorry one time not you yeah exactly but you didn't realize how much they [ __ ] love you and how painful it is yeah like actually when I got out because I have a bad relationship with my father you know he's like this old school Midwest Catholic dude never showed me any affection or whatever uh dad got home he's just bawling wow yeah and I was like oh so you're probably on some level acting up because you want attention from this guy yeah and maybe you resent him a little bit so you don't want to go the straight narrow because they're like well if I disappoint my dad [ __ ] my dad I don't even care he hasn't showed any interest in me and then you finally get out and you realize that he just didn't know how to show interest you didn't know how to show love 100 and he's just a [ __ ] he's just so happy to see you yeah unless you're in solitary visitation is you can be at a table that's how a lot of [ __ ] gets through right so when I was locked up the black dudes had the weed because their baby mamas or wives they were the ones willing to come passing balloons through the visiting room wow white dudes it was meth right if you ever have to proposition your parents to bring something maybe Jimmy would say that no no no no none of that [ __ ] nothing nothing [ __ ] inside yeah yeah exactly exactly uh and after he found out like I love doing stand-up he's like I heard about what you're doing down there because I would I would start killing at these shows yeah by the way good audience the best can't offend them they all murder people I thought that was like n a or AA shows like yeah a lot of times first of all great listeners yes and two they've been through the most [ __ ] up [ __ ] in their own lives you're not gonna bother them exact certain words exactly it's the same [ __ ] it's bad it's a little racist but I got a big laugh so like there's this gang in there yeah I mean this is good prison is a pretty racist yeah yeah uh it's a there's a gang in there called the black gorilla family oh wow yeah and so I'm in there I'm like the black gorilla family what they can call themselves monkeys but we can't and then and they everybody lost it were you just performing for the white no no it was everybody it was a challenge what are the guys yeah the black guys love that [ __ ] bro and so so people will come up to me and be like hey trash us yeah so so you know like I'd be like make fun of the Mexicans like Carlos your girl's eight months pregnant but you've been in here two years you better talk to your cousin yeah whatever you know [ __ ] like that right like the guys from that car did they ever were they pissed at all like no they didn't know I was I was scared to death to to I would never in a million years like be busting balls with especially not black guys or anybody who's like I wasn't affiliated with like outside of that environment of course which is what a comedian that's how comedians are of course we're usually awkward and we don't we don't do make a lot of jokes off stage but on stage I was like oh this is a freedom hold on one second this is a risky move yeah did you have like the approval from anyone over there like what made you feel comfortable doing it because I started out like trashing like you know like the guards yeah I would like dip my toes into it you know what I mean yeah um but yeah no no but that was one of the first jokes a little bit or did you see other people also go in and everybody knew that this is just a performance it's not that bad but at the same time like you you're making fun of a group that have weapons yeah and you're insulting them he doesn't have any protection they're not a group they're a gang yeah they're a gang yeah yeah yeah but if they're a family yeah yeah yeah you must had a good game this is yeah no and this I do a joke about that so I won't I won't make it like Punchy but yeah the first day that's where I got my stripes for being a Hooper yeah because because the black dudes are running and I see my [ __ ] six six lanky ass and they were like get your ass and I went out I was just wet yeah and you run inside you run in jeans most people you have shorts most people play shirtless in jeans why Converse so playing in 1950. yeah but I don't know and I think it's because I honestly think it's because of the funk like if some [ __ ] jumps off and you gotta start fighting and stabbing yeah you can't you don't want to be in shorts yeah yeah you wanna you wanna be in some [ __ ] Levi's you know so I was running shirtless in jeans and I was just flashing splashing bro it was like was it a good game even for you were you like yeah I felt like it was divine intervention so we're going to church how am I gonna keep this up I know there's one sanity yeah no no it was kind of an issue because that was as good as it got yeah you know it was definitely let down if it stopped asking me to play with them you know eventually yeah yeah but you were safe at that point so it was good exactly but that was like the tryout to see if I was gonna you know and get stabbed yeah yeah or or whatever you know get turned into a lady boy yeah I don't put a mop on my head you know and when you guys sent to the minimum was it like a camp or was it just yeah it was on the it was on the Oregon coast and it wasn't a camp there was a little fence around it but you could hop over that [ __ ] if you want right yeah so it's everybody there who's just like listen we're just getting over our time it's just no big deal you felt no sir did you walk over there feeling like the big boss absolutely absolutely you got to punk out these like colored crimes yeah I walked in there like oh these [ __ ] move yeah I got the Spades table now yeah yeah but it was way more chill right yeah Monopoly yeah yeah but it was one more chill right you didn't have to deal with the constant threat there's like no lifers there's no no there's no lifers it's uh it's people some people are getting out like coming down from doing long bids right um you know some people would go crazy and like Escape yeah because they heard their girls were cheating on them and they got eight months left and then they jump over the fence and run out and hitchhike to go uh you know confront their girl and they get caught now they got another two years bro I heard stories of this I was talking to this kid Ian that said that there would be guys that would run off he was at a camp for like six months I think he would run out he would run off into the woods hook up with their girl oh yeah McDonald's get Chick-fil-A bring it back for the whole car and then run it back yeah yeah yeah yeah I heard about [ __ ] like that was that happening at your spot uh it might have been yeah but like I wasn't want to hear about you you know running off the woods bro because these [ __ ] some of these old ladies donkeys everybody in prison claims to have the best the baddest [ __ ] he would have got locked up any like potential drug dealers uh hire you as a consultant I get DMS almost every day I would think that happens yeah I had to do the other day from Afghanistan he DMS me and he goes hey I'm a drug dealer from Afghanistan taliban's dealing right I'm like you have internet hey you're the [ __ ] Taliban like there's no like you don't sell drugs you work for the Taliban yeah that's what it is that's crazy so I get dudes I mean even inside I had people they would find out what I was into and they were like all right no take my number yeah when you touch down this is where I'm going to be so do you do Consulting no I don't do Consulting anymore what about from movies like I feel like my show is almost Consulting yeah but like will a studio maybe hire you they have like a drug movie or a drug show and they're like hey are we doing this this right this often happens with like Navy Seals right or like a ranger or a Navy SEAL to go hey do these a little what's it called War scenes actually make sense yeah you've never had any higher drug movies are usually based off like a specific person so they already have that so they usually yeah they usually have that guy our show's like we're trying to like pitch the show they got people reaching out yeah but I think the dynamic between you and this Jimmy guy and your original father I think that and also like you the loneliness my original father I like that yeah like I mean no but I mean that like to me that's really interesting like finally getting this listen listen there are plenty of movies or plenty of TV shows about drug dealing there's plenty of about violence it's what we're drawn to it's what we're we have to watch we can't look away but what's going to separate the story is not the amount of weight that you push what's going to separate the story is like your character and like what you went through and how you were able to like have a relationship with this person in a way that maybe you never have with your father and then that moment coming out with your dad I don't know as you were speaking more to like your emotional growth in this like place that could suppress growth completely yeah that that to me is really interesting yeah you're right it is about the dynamic between me and Jimmy no it's probably your growth at the end of the day and it's painted it is and it's painted in the larger historical backdrop of like a script the fact that I was one of the last generations of like Bootleggers yeah that is pretty cool yeah and I think about it like that I really have no regrets yeah no regrets because I got into stand up yeah but I have no regrets because it was like the American dream because I it was the Joseph Kennedy uh Teddy Roosevelt dream yeah I was like I can really get out of this [ __ ] maybe yeah and be set for life yeah it's like I you know I gotta go for it yeah people like why did you do what you did I'm like it was a lick yeah it would just be like if you knew a Brinks truck was dropping off a million bucks at a CVS that day and you just had the drop on it you it's 50 50. yeah you might have not done it but I'm not you when you were looking into that um I think the mansion that you were going to buy in Colombia and but then you were hooking up with dude's wife oh yeah yeah dumbest thing that he's ever done yeah it was Reckless bro yeah God damn white privilege is good that'd be great if you think about consequences wait what happened I was I was hooking up with this chick in Columbia who was dating basically living with a guy who was going to launder my money and he was also working for the cartels so if he found out that second I was a [ __ ] this [ __ ] yeah you deserve to be lost that was the dumbest thing he could have done yeah I think the only reason why you're alive is because that guy got got first so that guy got God yeah oh really yeah you got God and that's why we never ended up making the deal because he yeah he got you know got the wet t-shirt contest before we could give him the money you know what I mean yeah thank God in some way yeah absolutely absolutely do you like gambling I don't really I don't because to me it's like not even though it seems like I'm I am a risk taker yeah like a calculated risk taker it's like that's just money you're given to the house I'd rather be the house right it doesn't give you that rush though no not really yeah not really yeah I don't like gambling you know yeah I'm a cheapskid I'd rather invest the money you know what I'm saying like I never was [ __ ] off money unless it was on women yeah you know what I mean yeah so so the Russia is the win yeah there's too many L's with gambling yeah yeah you just want high stakes win yeah I said women but yes yes no I'm saying the win oh yeah yeah you need the victory like the package arriving you that's where the rush comes yeah yeah such a rush because think about it yeah all think about it now you're getting excited about it yeah it's the forces all the forces of society are against you the laws yeah the will of the people yeah the DEA the most powerful government in the history of the world yeah yeah yeah and they couldn't stop my [ __ ] package from guessing yeah we gotta get Johnny's two kilos of course not but that's I think that's smart like yeah but I think it's a truth say again you'll do stand up and like you'll kill for 50 people but then you get off stage and you're like I'm the greatest ever yes if you zoom anything out to the macro level like it's all insignificant yeah you get one package through on the government you're like I'm the I beat the government yeah yeah you beat that crowd it's the hero's journey that's what you're building in your head but I think most rushes are like that yeah that most people feel that really was gambling you beat the house All Odds Against you yeah it's just that many losses with gambling that's the tricky thing about this yeah but if I could gamble I'm the guy that could walk away after winning once you know what I mean I just couldn't walk away with this you know with this drug [ __ ] yeah you know yeah so but yeah I really invented a story in my own head I think we all invent you know the Days of Our Lives we we live by that we invent you know a narrative to to guide our life I really invented you know this idea of a guy who was like a mini you know Joseph Kennedy yeah right yeah hitting a lick getting money off the street and then getting out you know that's like that's what a game you said that I want to build dynastic wealth I remember you saying that and you mentioned Kennedy mentioned Roosevelt yeah because that's the gangster the idea the goal of a gangster is to not be a gangster right that's what these old school mob guys you know they want their kids yeah maybe their goal is their kids aren't gangsters that's yeah exactly and that's why you know even these New York families now they got to go to Sicily because they don't have the numbers because their kids don't want to be they're like America I don't want to be in a garbage position I want to be in marketing podcast you know yeah that's whatever was there any part of you after you got out that was like I'll get into Insurance I'll live like that regular life and kind of stay low-key and you know it's never a regular life I was like I I I was like ah this show business thing is too hard it's not logical let me like figure out like how to get into real estate and be like a you know the best at that or whatever but it always had to be big yeah it always had to be big here's a little bit of like uh I don't say [ __ ] but where I pick it you're like I just don't want to be a drug dealer anymore okay you had every opportunity to not be a drug dealer you're born into a good family all that stuff and again if if you listen to his stuff he is a [ __ ] you are a smart guy incredibly disciplined you could have built dynastic wealth legally one thousand percent no question in my mind yeah so to stay in the drugs it's not just about it's about the lick and the getting over yeah I don't know if he would have gotten out that easily I think the even if I had not got popped that time you think I think you might have kept building raising the money and raising people say that most people say that you're probably right I was going to move to LA that was the plan was like to move to LA start buying businesses yeah and yeah and that weed was becoming legal then so I probably would have you know who knows that transition exactly but been super illegal still right like yeah yeah no that's a good point it got knocked for Coke I said it to say that part of you that was like if they're still there it's like [ __ ] I should have just got out when I had a million I'd say that to put that part of these like I don't I think you were in it for more than just the money yeah you got it you got to transfer that addiction so what did I say sports drugs are entertainment yeah it's only acceptable one of three ways yeah and you've done all three at this point yeah yeah none of them very good you know so this is probably the best yeah yeah for now yeah maybe you get drafted you know who knows guys listen Johnny thank you so much for sharing your story man it's a very interesting story so cool I appreciate you guys I appreciate you yes yeah and we really wish you the best of luck with everything you're doing obviously with stand up but also kind of continue to explore this underworld that clearly there's a lot of Fascination about yeah I mean I came across you from short clips they're probably 60 seconds and I found myself watching them and I I scrutinized short form content yeah you know so it's probably hard to grab my attention and keep it but it was some really cool stuff so I I really wish you the best of luck on your journey I hope you don't do anything illegal anymore and I hope you find the no just trying to dodge yourself back in the game right now I got a number for you bro whatever he's paying him son have you any legal disappoint both your dads [ __ ] terrible don't do it guys Johnny Mitchell make sure you check him out he's got a YouTube show yeah Johnny you got the the connector that's the YouTube show you also got your stand up on your personal Channel which is Johnny Mitchell you just I put a ton of stand up there still uh all the time good uh I got a special dropping this year I think we're in talks with a prison to shoot the stand up yeah cool so that's that's in the works and then uh let's get those Instagram numbers up guys yeah and DM me if you're a bad [ __ ] no more drug dealer [ __ ] DS yeah yeah uh at Mr Johnny Mitchell man there you go thank you so much I appreciate you bro thank you

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Published: Tue Feb 21 2023