Neuroscientist Dr. Huberman on Foot Fetishes, Drugs, and NoFap

why do I like feet oh yeah I need this answer Big Time foot fetish guys big time I don't [ __ ] them okay don't make it yeah so they're they're two reasons okay Left Foot Right Foot yeah that's all you need to know um there are two reasons um okay so there's true fetish okay and in the clinical sense a fetish is something that somebody actually requires in order to get aroused okay so so you know so fetish can be like people talk about fetish light or people talk about but then they're they're true fetishes where people actually require um feet or okay let's think about the the extreme fetishes right and uh um so this is the dark side of this okay so let's think like let's put feet there but it doesn't have to be dark but then you could think like um feces dead bodies right bestiality this is dark stuff exactly it's an immediate so we have a circuit we have circuits in our brain that immediately give us the reaction you just give you put your head back it's kind of like Get me away from that topic yeah right so our brain tends to put us into approach types that which we call a petitive like smell in the odor taste you want to get close to something or aversive right animals have this humans have this okay but if you think about the classic fetishes all of those feet historically had the potential to be sites of infection right historically not now right we wash our feet we have socks we have shoes dead bodies obviously very infectious what do we do with dead bodies we we preserve them when we get them into the ground or we cremate them depending on your your leanings whatever um but you try and not get infected by them this is all has been known a long time things like feces are contagious right we know this that it's putrid or vomit these things this is the harsh way to start off the discussion think about it all of these tend to evoke for most people and aversive response you want to get away from it so there are people who have this appetitive approach to things that are very infectious and a lot a lot of the fetishes at their extreme reflect a kind of I don't want to say miswiring but a a flip in what normally happens right when you see vomit you don't go I'm gonna take a sniff for that but when you smell big fresh baked cookies you're like I'm gonna take a smell that's how I feel about it exactly okay okay so these are like cookies so that so the thing here is people don't develop fetishes to like water bottles or to tables or to like posts to things that so there's this kind of edginess of it's like they're sort of dancing between aversive and repetitive and that's what makes it edgy leather is another fetish right and you know this it has to do with like animal hides people think now a lot of this is speculation because we don't really know how all this evolved but because that's extreme fetishes but then there are people who have have like they like a nice clean beautiful foot yeah exactly right in yeah you know like the or the Contour or you think about um like for some people um they they like they like Toes or they like um or they will like leather is like a turn on to them right but a lot of a lot of what we think of as a petitive kind of sexual arousal type things are right at that edge like you know everybody knows or should know right yeah I think it's well known that like a little bit of leg like a little hint like what's the slit up the side of the skirt it's a hint right it's not it's very different than a than you know less clothing overall it's a hint at what's there and the way the nervous system works is through contrast you know you only see light objects through dark objects and so on so this like playing if you look historically at clothing you can think of like Victorian era clothing or like the high collar everything covered just the face the Pasty face or you think about like if you watch that show madman or when there are these lines in there where they're like shorts are getting skirted skirts are getting shorter excuse me um that's my Lex dixia coming back the um what you can imagine that during the 60s in particular in the 70s like clothing was moving from less and less of a hint and more and more of a reveal nowadays we are living in a time where there is a lot of reveal right I mean it's pretty incredible right how much if clothing has evolved but so I do want to just frame up that there there's like classic fetish that can actually be a clinical issue because people can't get aroused without exposing themselves to dangerous infection right that's sort of the extreme but then there's this kind of subtle playing of of hints and hinting and suggestions like counter-intuitive to like Darwinism and evolution and all that no one really knows I mean like that I wasn't consulted in the design phase for any of this you know you know so like I don't know but but there there does seem to be uh well the human mating dance right is a very complicated thing right yeah it's a it's a it's a complicated dance between um it's all about obviously it's about two things really it's about possibility and it's about negotiating power right and there's been a lot of beautiful writings about this that you know when you like think about objectifying somebody or that let's say them objectifying you right when objectifying someone is you want them right you desire them but you don't need them for anything you don't need them to pay your rent you don't need them for emotional support you don't need to be held you don't need any of that The Closer you get get to somebody you form a real emotional bond the harder it is to objectify them they're no longer just an object you're no longer just an object to them so that the human mating dance is one of at first objectification yeah anyone who argues different has uh is probably not of our species and then slowly over time less and less objectification and more emotional dependence but don't you think that you still need to objectify a little so absolutely in all of the literature like the person who's most commonly um I like being certified yeah and I think some people do and some people don't I think that a lot of there's a great book it's got a terrible title uh in my opinion um but the the book is called can love last it's written by a very serious psychologist that talks about this that sexual attraction is is uh the thing of objectification but then as you enter into relationship you lose that and so a lot of times people have affairs people will start looking at pornography excessively instead of their person so a lot of the um they give a really incredible example of how relationships can continue long periods of time with a lot of excitement like sexual excitement but also healthy attachment Yeah by cycling in and out of objectification yeah attachment objectification attachment You Know It's Tricky right because everyone loves the when you get to the point of relationship where you just just hang out you just watch movies and stuff but then you know if you if you're not actually objectifying each other every once in a while you need to it can go really flat 100 and then we always hear like oh you know after 20 years they're no longer together or you see celebrity couples where one or both are like super attractive and you're like he cheated on her yeah well how could that possibly be it's because the world objectified her but at some point they hit the kind of best friends mode you know and I think how do you stop that well there's okay so there's a chemical version all this that has to do with kids and this they're really cool data on this in humans there's a hormone called prolactin it's involved in milk let down for um nursing you know when mothers nurse you know there but it's also released in men and women when they have kids and it literally suppresses sexual desire and emphasizes laying down a body fat making you more still it's all there to direct your energy towards racism physiological thing I did that before I had kids it happens before yeah it's a nesting what people you see this in Birds you see this in humans what people think is that it's laying down of fat stores in order to anticipate the long nights of No Sleep listen our species is fundamentally about making more of ourselves yeah and protecting our young and and food but I use them interchangeably okay so it's interesting also okay to get to thoroughly answer your foot question yeah if I were to look at the representation of your body surface in your brain what that means is in your brain you have a map of your body's surface there are certain areas on your body that you have very little sensitivity it's we measure this by 2.2 Point discrimination it's called so what I do is I take two two fingers and I poke them against the middle of your back with you looking in the other direction behind your book like this I say how how many places am I touching you'd say two but if I move them this far apart you'd say one why because you don't it's like you don't have many pixels back there but if I do that on your hand right you have very high two-point discrimination two pins right next to each other you say those are two points what does this mean in your brain you have a lot more representation of certain areas of your body which areas of your body fingertips lips face feet and genitals and the representation of the feet and the genitals in males and females is right next to each other in the brain this some people there's a guy at UC San Diego whose last name is ramachandran his first name is even harder to pronounce so I'm not even gonna try and what he showed or wait was that people who have uh a foot amputated they have a phantom foot they sort of think it's still there and when they experience orgasm oftentimes they will experience it in their Phantom foot so a lot of people you know part of the orgasm responds is a curling back of the toes and a bunch of other things back yeah curling back of the toes what about forward oh that means something's really is that what happens no I'm just kidding yeah before you go right now if you're getting crazy heads I I honestly haven't I might have this backwards but um uh if I do I apologize I don't think I've ever been like like that like huh maybe maybe you're backwards when you're coming which way are you facing yeah I think I'm facing well are you on all four I think it's curl the toes of your um uh northerner yeah if you're in Australia it's like the toilet bowl like twirling the other way do you spread your toes when you orgasm let me think about coming yeah yeah sometimes I go out sometimes sometimes yeah I think it varies wow I don't know how good the head is yeah what's interesting is early on in my career I studied sex differentiation and sexual behavior and you know it's fundamental right we're all here because some sperm I did I mean it was the same universe it's almost like an alumni box oh for real what was the most popular Street Del Playa and sure for uh DP you know what I'm saying hey yeah I didn't live on DP you did it no but he was there in the year I partied there I was there in the era where people pushed houses off of cliffs on deep yeah it was crazy yeah I mean and then a bunch of Darkness happened later after I left yeah I did mass shootings and stuff but after I left them too oh that was after you left yeah yeah that town is an interesting mix of um it's one square mile that's located directly next to the school and all the kids live there and nobody but kids lives there and it's an absolute debauchery it is I mean it was crazy one of the we had a storm that clogged all the storm drains and people just bought rafts and were literally like going down and just the amount of alcohol consumed there is insane they're no adults they're just no adults it's a it's a wild wild place um so your feet are very sensitive yeah your genitals are very sensitive your lips are very sensitive and so these so-called erogenous zones are really just High sensitivity zones so I'm what I'm I'm normal as long as you don't need anything weird that they don't like I think y'all are the weird ones well what do we do with people that like feed them why should we lobotomize them let them answer the um so well there's this idea of an arousal template right like people have an array of things that to them are arousing and for some people that arousal template is very narrow and very specific yeah and that can be problematic right that means they have to find somebody or situations where that you know that works and only that works yeah um and there are safe ways that people do that right now they're like um I'm not on the apps because that's not my thing but I I researched this a lot um through other people um like there are now apps like that app the newest one is this app field right field is very much where people can be extremely specific about what they want in fact there are people now going on the internet they were only interested in sexting for instance people who are like I wonder people who want a relationship friendly to sex sex like fire or only with my wife last week and she called me she's like did you mean to send me that what's this no I was like trying to be like cute and stuff and she was like what the what the [ __ ] is going on like I think she thought I was cheating or something like that she's like why would you say that do you signal when you send those I don't signal but there's something like when are you gonna Peg me again he's a professional another DM you guys yeah I learned from a friend who uh was in the Securities Community for a long time that any thought that isn't in your head is available for download and so that's uh that's scary um oh it's out there it's out there it's out there yeah okay so so basically there are fetishes of the strict like definition of fetish you think infectious stuff and and that can be problematic and then there are people have an arousal template a bunch of things that they like yeah right just being there you know it's like how narrow is your template yeah and I think that um most people would probably agree that having some range some diversity of that template like look some people like um sweet soft sex some people like rougher sex some people like an array of that yeah some people are you know uh and this is discussed in certain communities more than others but some people are like pure dominant pure submissive some people are what they call switch right there's this um there's this whole landscape yeah and that's because a lot of the like what people don't the psychologists and the Freudian types really appreciated and we understand a little bit from biology is that there's also a power negotiation in any kind of interaction like sexual interaction right because both people are making themselves very vulnerable if you look at two dogs when they meet let's just take animals two dogs when they meet yeah what do they do they sniff each other's genitals and the more submissive one rolls back opens their legs and is like making their reproductive potential vulnerable to the other one biting it off and in the animal kingdom a lot of animals hurt other animals not by killing them yeah they literally trying to rip their testicles because when I'm having sex the first thing I do is roll on my back so fight off these genitals so it's interesting because my go-to will just all the discussions around consent all right they're very valid nowadays because what we're really talking about is that there is inevitably a power negotiation if I'm on my back it's always consensual yeah right think about it if I'm on my back and always consensual right if I'm on the bed like this you wouldn't argue the logic well it might not be content so there is a phenomenon yeah there is topping from the bottom topping from the bottom from the bottom that's that now you're speaking my [ __ ] laser oh boy that's me bottom top I'm a bottom side bro so I'm not a sex therapist nor am I yeah but but if you look at the speaking so I look at everything through the lens of Neuroscience and so we're really talking about is this brain area called the hypothalamus which has a mix of neurons some of them to stimulate mating behavior some to stimulate violent Behavior whoa some just stimulate eating and some to stimulate suppression of appetite you know some people merge food and sex in their mind right they think chocolate and it's and it could be because they learned you know maybe it was some you know Valentine's Day Valentine's Day every day foreign [Laughter] but there was a movie in the I think it was the 80s or the 90s right I think it was uh was it like nine and a half weeks with Mickey Rourke before his face like was all you know um and there was a scene I think where he was like feeding her right and then it led into sex and that was considered one of the raciest scenes like the most provocative scenes just sort of like the Basic Instinct thing the leg cross uncross thing like now that's like that's like nothing decency standards have have changed right oh yeah you're saying now you could get away with that but back now that's like I'm I'm sure you can find that as a clip on YouTube right which is then and you had to like get into the Raider our movie it was a big deal people were talking about it and talking about it I mean I you just remember these kind of moments in movies and things have changed I could smell her through the screen wait you went to 4D oh that's amazing yeah I mean food isn't it um you know so some people merge like flavors and sensuality in general yeah and it could be because they had an experience it was amazing meal which led to a you know amazing sexual interaction would led to a relationship and so they link up to all of those experiences that's just kind of we're very pavlovian in that way what the thing that to ourselves what's that can we create pavlovian reactions to ourselves to the things that we want well there's a dark side to this too and it's something that I think especially guys young guys have to be careful of which is nowadays the availability of pornography is nothing like it used to be right someone used to have a magazine or a video now there's access to pornography is just you know a couple you know thumb Taps to a couple people and people can get very you know young people can develop a lot of their arousal template yeah to very extreme experiences right because of the availability of extreme porn to and never actually have any real world experience yes so if you think about their brains are becoming wired up to become aroused watching other people have sex instead of having sex themselves no they're they're I've hurt people like oh they need to watch porn in order to come so they're having or even together or even to get aroused and and I and your clinical things I have to say you know that I get hundreds and hundreds maybe thousands of questions different Health topics and science topics one of the most common questions I get is how to quit porn addiction and I would say about 25 of the people that I'm aware of based on those questions and a few people that I happen to know um who are porn addicted are women yeah and so and it becomes an issue where so there can be so do you ask can there become a like self-conditioned pavlovian response yes like absolutely anything that's just to clarify real quick for people listening what a pavlovian oh yeah yeah so uh Pavlov won the Nobel Prize uh the so-called Pavlov dog experiments where basically you offer an animal some food or the smell of food it starts salivating but right before that you ring a bell and then pretty soon all you need to do is ring the bell and the animals start salivating so now they're reacting to the bell ring right not the actual Psychology major UCS oh baby you take the final exam now she ate a class together oh my goodness it's gonna be amazing um so I think that you know any time not I think so you're saying we're doing that with porn well and with any any with anything anytime we experience a powerful emotional response or physical response so that could be sexual arousal it could be hunger it could be um fear it could be excitement whatever preceded that becomes the thing that our brain basically thinks leads to that so the brain is a prediction machine so for you know and this has all sorts of roots around trauma and things that could be positive or negative so you can imagine that if every time you know um your parent blinked and then they hit you when you were a kid you see someone blinking and you get kind of your heart rate goes up Etc because the brain generalizes but it wants to predict what's going to happen next on the positive side if every time you arrived at your grandmother's house like you knew that there was going to be delicious food and you're going to feel very nourished like no trauma then well then you know just walking up to a doorbell of a similar home you might find like oh I just feel good right now we are very kind of crude in our wiring right our brain generalizes to try and predict so but in terms of the extreme things like sexual arousal if young and I do say guys it's women watch pornography also that's been well established but I get a lot of questions from guys who are addicted to porn and who have challenges and sexual interactions in the real world because they either need that or they don't really understand they haven't been socialized in terms of normal consensual sexual interactions and I always say you know there's four anytime we're talking about this sort of thing we the the disclaimer is we're talking about age-appropriate consensual context appropriate species appropriate right you know throwing species appropriate because you know there's all sorts of things out there so some Scottish people listening right now so I think that um it's it's interesting you know like extreme stuff of any kind or even for instance people who get really into fetish type sex or they get into um you know having multiple uh they get really into threesomes right yeah this is a very you know as long as we're talking openly there are a lot of people that I know who got really into this during the kind of early stages of the polyamory movement yeah right so you know what started in the 70s but then came back again in the like early 2000s and then they found that they could not get aroused with just one partner and that's because their brain was so used to a certain set of things preceding this that's extreme right I mean it's you know for some people but then the guy who just can't get off without two girls so but but that person is rendered um sometimes challenged with one person sometimes not yeah it depends on how the diversity of their arousal template so I'm not saying foreign what we're saying is the brain anytime there's a big release that there's wiring towards it yeah everything whatever proceed to do you got to diversify yeah yeah no no I don't think it's only with these extreme examples I think a lot of times and I'm curious your thoughts on this but let's say you we open up Instagram or anything or Tick Tock right the algorithm is just feeding you attractive women stunningly attractive women and they're defeating me like random Bodega fights lately okay I don't even know how that happened like I think I watched like damn Michael Rapaport or something and now all I'm getting is yeah is like Bodega violence yeah and like I didn't ask for this yeah like Bodega violence and like and um and badly proportioned male bodybuilders like I didn't look this stuff up like what is going on interesting I'm getting thoughts we need to change we need to change phones we really need to do that immediately but I guess what I'm saying is I'm seeing all this right and I'm like I think this is unhealthy for me because I'm just seeing all these these girls that are filtered their bodies are filtered they have plastic surgery they have makeup not one of these girls is naturally looking this way and I think it's tricking my brain to not even tricking my brain but there is this reaction where I'm like oh this is normalcy you know people obviously have have um you know action to different different phenotypes they do 100 they do absolutely because my boxing trainer likes them thick yeah yeah I mean some people some people um like to answer people that are curvier but I I think that that's a function of something else some women um uh more report I think he wants more warmth than the winner because in the summer he doesn't like thick girls as much but in the winter there's a seasonality time being I think he wants a warmer event it actually makes sense yeah is this Egyptian dude and he's just like I don't I don't think he knows how to he's this awesome amazing boxer but I don't know if he knows how to work his uh radiator or whatever like that so I think in in the in the winter it's like he wants a little bit more someone to Get Cozy with yeah yeah um yeah well you know that the phrase three I bought him a blanket and he was like um okay this is good too you know the phrase Three Dog Night originates a three dog night that phrase originates because it used to be that people would sleep with three dogs in order to stay warm really yeah actual animals if you need three of them in order to stay warm yeah animals used to be for work not for for pets eventually now they're bred to basically be like they're as little it's like now especially in New York I feel like dogs are like like they're like an accessory oh yeah which I don't like because I'm a huge animal lover I don't like it when people because I need to see people take real really good care animals yeah I see animals that are badly taken care of there's this part of me that wants to steal them yeah give them away guys pushing the [ __ ] dog in the stroller have you seen that that's crazy yeah that's crazy that's awesome craziest thing yeah homeless people actually are some of the best pet owners have you ever seen the way like how obedient their pets can be compared to some of the the rich people in major cities the way that their their dogs can't behave they've got these cavapoos that go crazy well the cavapoos dogs can't behave I wonder but you can also but I do think people do like different uh biological shapes people like different shapes so there's a guy down at UT Austin who's one of the founders of evolutionary biology um David Buss and you know there is a Texas it's a ratio issue so there is this thing about um you know what signals fertility right oh yeah now and then with women they'll report you know that some women like guys that are really heavily muscled and some like men that are more more svelt more you know more slim right you know and uh what else felt is crazy imagine your girl described you as Felts I just felt yeah I don't want that Jack Brad Pitt guys and this is changing too back like guys I thought it was you that's on your backpack she was telling me in that situation so I think that the uh uh you know it's all changing like now um because of action movies there's this tendency for especially young guys to think that they have to look like action heroes yeah right like Mark like they want to be really muscled out yeah but you know in reality when it doesn't on average right so average women don't want everything are averages everything are averages and then remember these guys don't eat anything they're eating so much they're trying to put on all this weight and stuff like that girls don't like that evolutionarily aren't women more attracted to the ability it's all ability to provide for Offspring right so for men it's portions that can give me Offspring for women it's who can make the money yeah to take care of our Offspring yeah so what's interesting is if evolutionarily so pistol length too so here so here I am well well okay it used to be that people would wear belts with sash with like with like a long belt hanging out that was like I mean or swords like the length of swords and things like that but there's a whole literature look what he has there's a whole literature on this um [Laughter] no while we're talking about pistols real quick that was something I noticed when we went to your show there were so many beautiful women at this show oh yeah and I'm like what the [ __ ] is going on here like this is really cool like women are interested in like neuroscience and everything you have to do and then you stepped on stage and you had the Bulge working bro crazy literally yeah what did I literally message Mark I was like I can't even concentrate I saw the message so everyone was taking notes on the lecture and no the girls were zooming in there were two girls in front of her joking no they were no no no you were wearing black which is slimming but not that day it was crazy and the girls were zooming in it yeah and then you turned around and showed off the Hee Haw yeah you did dude no you were packing that day man you were absolutely packing yeah do you fluff before the show dude if I'm just saying it was it was abnormal it was abnormal you had a little cuttlefish in there and we could talk about cuttlefish I know you're like one of my favorite topics is that what you call it yeah um it's objectification that's all it is again he's like how long do I have to be here um [Laughter] you got the doctor's Pizza no we just have to talk about the root yeah but for real no he did you brought one of them redwoods on the stage at the Beacon Theater it was crazy that was great because we were trying to learn some things yeah and you were trying to hammer yeah that's where nootropics come from right you know he's a donor okay okay let's be serious can we be seriously I really have a genuinely serious this is a doctor yeah please what when you say you have to stare at the Sun you don't mean it no no no right okay so um thanks for taking us out of that deep water to close the hatch on on Ranger on um on ranges so there there are there are a number there are also issues of sort of body type preference and and safety and by safety I mean two different things right yeah I mean safety for the woman and listen and for the man some listen there's a there's a really interesting literature about this if you if you look at sort of who people select to have sex with versus who people select to try and form long-term relationships with them I mean there are many men who would not choose to be with the woman that is most attractive to everybody because they don't have the confidence they could keep her that's that's a good point even if she's not a flirt and wouldn't and wouldn't be looking right even if she didn't have a Wandering eye some men deliberately wouldn't want to be with the most beautiful people tend to match up pretty closely in terms of attractiveness pretty closely pretty closely not not always it's not because and then there are AirHeads but you asked about income and I want to make sure that because I had David Buss on my podcast and he's really the expert on this so um we're gonna have to fact check this with him um but yes it's true that resource potential is an important variable because people have to think about safety and child care and a number of things but women work too right women can work too right they can opt to work and make money but more often than more important than any other feature across all cultures is that the woman reports that she sought someone who is kind to them not necessarily kind to everybody but kind to them right kind to them okay so even if you think of like extreme money right extreme money or you think of extreme bodies or extreme resources right that somebody has women in terms of who they tend to pair up with long term assuming heterosexual right there they're heterosexual because here we're making a bunch of assumptions but in that in that mold what is shown up over and over again in the data is that their top priority is that someone be kind to them in other words they're not interested in being with someone who's really wealthy who treats them like garbage is that and I think this gets lost because people think oh it's all about money it's not all about money it's about it's about safety and kindness because you're talking about a long-term Bond right now then people say well what about this notion of gold diggers and by the way they're male and female gold diggers they're I mean I had friends in college who who would say things like they wanted to marry a really wealthy woman I was like really that's I just heard this from a few people I was like wow you're thinking about that as your primary concern they're like nobody would be great I would hear people say that um you they're also the female to male version of that it's very it's actually pretty rare yeah right it's about safety and resources and this also varies by culture whether or not women tend to work or not work but overall again I don't you know I don't mean to you know be a dead horse with this but it's really that kindness towards them is critical but not necessarily kindness to everybody is that tied to reproductive success also and that like if he's kind to me he'll be kind to my kids and they have a better chance of surviving yeah we're doing a bit of a just so story there like we I don't know exactly what the experiment would look like and I'm sure the experiment's been done but I have to assume yes right because the last thing you want is someone with a ton of reproductive potential resource potential yeah who's going to treat you like garbage chances are they're not going to stay with you yeah or you're going to be there but then they're gonna have a they're gonna bring in other mates yeah you know and so when you look at the roots of jealousy and and concerns about infidelity or you look at the roots of sort of like concerns about resource potential and all that it all kind of makes sense in this very old-fashioned model it also makes sense in in the model that we live in now kindness toward each other is fundamentally the most important variable which is kind of reassuring I don't say that to be politically correct that's how the data fall out yeah and that never gets discussed because it's not as edgy as thinking like oh yeah it's all about money it's all about beauty it's all about this it's it's about the Lamborghini it's like no like how is it how is he going to treat you and so there's also something very special to people about the other person who is very desired by a lot of people treating them particularly nice yeah right like I mean you hear this notion of being picked right yeah and there's Mutual picking and everything is changing now too right I mean the way that that you know there's there's apps like Bumble where women actually have to say that it's yes I will talk to you right it's not a bi-directional convert there's an asymmetric conversation yeah so again not on the apps but I'm fascinated by this because it's human dating Behavior but it's always going to be through the filter well maybe you can answer this because you're a neuroscientist so can the brain outpace Evolution where we have millions of years of evolution that men say I'm attracted to these proportions that will nourish my kids the best and women say I'm attracted to these features that say he'll take care of my kids now Society is changing in the last seven years crazy rate of change all this is is [ __ ] is like getting changed up can your brain outpace your Evolution which has been hardwired for millions of years and say you know what I don't care about all these things um well people can make so we have this real estate in our brain right behind on our forehead um called the prefrontal cortex and it's your rule setting machine okay so you can create new rules for what's going to drive your behavior like we can decide that what's important in a given set of situations is blank you actually see this right if people go away on Retreats or they go to some event and there's only you know let's say again we're assuming heterosexual relationships here 10 men and 10 women they're all heterosexual you know who you find most attractive will be gauged against the other nine right yeah and so but in a world in New York City right then the mean is that the distribution is much broader and the mean is shifted perhaps right and so you can you can't beat Evolution you're always going to be constrained by brain wiring but you can condition certain things and also sometimes people are selecting for somebody who's really nice really funny we get along so well I mean there are other criteria right just trying to get you say okay versus shallow really at the end I mean it's it's as okay to be shallow as being shallow is as important to you right that there are people who um are like they have their list right they're like I want to be with someone who graduated college or I don't care or I want to be with somebody who you know is physically attracted to et cetera Etc I mean the reality is that no matter how attract two people are to one another like at some point it becomes familiar but there are certain people like I would put I'll just disclosure I'm actually become in a Rel relationship monogamous relationship actually become more attracted to the person I'm with and I think it's something through the nose it's like a pheromone thing yeah I become very conditioned to them right it's not that no one else becomes attracted to me but I become very conditioned to them and so I don't know that everyone's like that I've only been me but I know that there are some people that get really restless after they've been with the same person for a while and sometimes that's psychological like they never got it out of their system they married the first person they were with and other times it could be physical logical you know so there's a lot of range on these I mean the biology constrains it to answer your question it constrains it sets some outer bounds on this like I don't think for instance that we can become attracted to like tree frogs for instance just because we decide that they're the only option you've been to India that's true I have not no they did they had they uh the 14 dudes that raped the lizard you didn't hear about this I was trying to make a little joke here and but no for real be doing another study yeah this is a joke no this is not a joke there are these these guys that gang raped a lizard and then ate it afterward how big was this lizard I mean I don't know yeah excellent question that is a good that is very important when I was a kid occasionally catch a lizard but it was like a little lizard yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's like no lizard he's big enough for me [Laughter] take this guy to King's Landing Game of Thrones Game of Thrones the dragons that's what they're saying that's the lizard you need yeah you need the big one you know what I mean [Laughter] um so there's some there are limits right just like anything right it's sort of like food right I mean could I get used like I I like fermented food so like I love kimchi and I love Korean food and like yeah but like Japanese natto the first time I tried that I was like wow it's really like stream like it's kind of mucousy but it a few times I kind of got to like same thing with the uni the urchin not into it right I hate it everyone's like you have to try you have to try and I was like this just tastes like bad Tong yeah and like it's just but now over time I've gotten a little more used to it a little more easy but it's it's just barely in bounds for me whereas people love it right that's prefrontal cortex conditioning you can you can override things to some extent now there is an asymmetry to all this so if you ever get sick eating something you have a really bad experience yeah even a bad experience in a city I have some friends that visit San Francisco I texted them be careful don't leave your computers in your car they wrote back too late they had 11 laptops stolen they'll break into your car in the middle of the day in front of cops they don't care okay they hate San Francisco that's one incident on one street those guys are right in one street right now some people they have a bad meal at like um is House of Nan King still here that Chinese restaurant that serves Congee in the middle of the night so good okay so good like I will forever have good associations to that place yeah and you know I had that like I got really drunk and uh I was a really hungover or something like that like I threw up the food that I had eaten that night you're never going New York it's called one child conditioning it took me years it's like a hot flame you're never going near it again it was uh Ramen right I had Ramen and it literally took me maybe 10 years before I had Ramen again and now I can eat it and I don't associate it but for those 10 years all I thought of was that exact smell and flavor exactly see you still get it yeah there's that aversive thing and notice like that it's like we tend to close up the various yeah right that we have when we when we see something we really like if I see puke on the street and start to use these extreme examples but hopefully they'll resonate with people I'm like oh like you cringe you close up your Airways why because it's infectious now remember when you smell something good or bad you are literally inhaling the molecules yeah from that thing and so like this always gets people because they're like oh it smells like [ __ ] you know and that's like you're literally inhaling everything and everybody smells it they're taking unfortunately yeah unfortunately yeah yeah okay now back to just looking at the sun I you don't literally want me to stare at this [ __ ] sun no okay so the reason I encourage people to get sunlight in their eyes especially early in the day is that it helps wake you up it improves your mood improves hormone output it improves Focus it's good for so many aspects and it helps you hurting and it helps you sleep at night okay so what you want to do people have different levels of sensitivity you want to look in the general direction of the sun okay if it's low in the sky it's no problem you could literally look at it like this now the higher It Gets In The Sky the more imposing it is and you'll want to close your eyes if it if it forces you to Blink you need to look away from it a little bit indirect light is fine on a real really clear day yeah um if it's if it's very very bright and you need to blink blink I'd say take your sunglasses off for doing this Eyeglasses and Contacts are fine and after you know two three minutes you're good and if you're walking to work in the morning it's nice sunny morning but the sun is New York so a lot of the sun's blocked by these big buildings you just get the indirect sunlight and that's okay that's okay but through a window these tinted windows that are everywhere here or through windshields not going to happen it's just never going to set this this mechanism in the ways you need so if you you know watching a sunset you can literally watch it yeah Isla Vista we used to watch sunsets right we're going to disappear off Del Playa with the oil rigs out there and every people don't know these oil platforms that sit off the beach in Santa Barbara and they it seeps up all this tar um but it's very beautiful sunsets out there and you can look directly at it when the sun is low in the sky um when the sun is overhead is when it tends to be really bright don't stare at it so what is the advantage of this it just wakes you up so you have neurons nerve cells in your eye that connect that when that sunlight hits them they send a signal to your brain that's a wake-up signal gosh improves your mood increases testosterone it increases metabolism it lets you focus better and it sets a timer so that you can fall asleep fall asleep at night about 12 to 16 hours later if you're not getting light in your eyes and if you wake up and you're just on your phone that's fine if the sun isn't out but if you're on your phone for the first two hours a day and then you get outside and get sunlight and the sun's already overhead and you go out with your sunglasses on that kind of thing you're you're going to find it's very hard to fall asleep that night because you're not setting the timer that's right think of the morning the morning bright light is your wake-up signal got you get as much sunlight in your eyes as you safely can throughout the day I wear sunglasses but not when I do this morning sunlight viewing and then in the evening try and catch some sun before it goes down in the winter obviously that's going to happen earlier and then at night you really want to try and dim the lights I always say like like the fighters at the fight last night like we're wearing sunglasses yeah you know dim the lights dim the dim the screens um between 10 pm and 4 am now look you guys are at the fight last night I happen to be there too I'm sort of a new UFC fan so I'm not very educated on this but it was really bright it's not big deal every once in a while to get stay up late I was up till 1 30 which for me is very late but you know I would say 80 of the days and nights of your life get some sunlight in your eyes and try and dim the lights at night but you're in New York yeah Bright Lights big city right so you're gonna have to do a little bit more sunlight viewing in the early part of the day if you wake up and the sun isn't out yet you know once it's out get out there okay yeah as it has huge outside positive effects like a lot of guys are or and women say oh you know I don't feel well I'm having trouble focusing I'm having trouble sleeping before we could get into any discussion about supplements or hormone therapy or ice baths and saunas all that stuff is great but the number one thing for health is going to be quality sleep and the best way to get quality sleep is get sunlight in your eyes early in the day and on cloudy days when you can't see the sun people always say there's no sun here I'm like the sun is still there yeah it's just and you get a lot of sun through that those clouds just get outside a little bit longer all right guys we're going to take a break real quick so I can tell you about rocket money formerly true bill rocket money is an all-in-one Finance platform that it helps you save more and spend less this personal finance app allows you to manage subscriptions lower bills build a custom budget and grow your savings all in one place I use rocket money to cancel unwanted subscriptions safely and securely it identifies reoccurring charges 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either do it or not do it yeah um and it does whereas some people they really enjoy alcohol yeah I'm not one of those people it's just never been my thing um but in any case sleep meaning getting enough quality sleep eighty percent of the nights of your life and I always say the other 20 just try and make the fact that you're not getting enough sleep for fund reasons out with friends relationship like ideally it's not because you're lying in bed stressing or Etc but try and get enough quality sleep 80 of the nights of your life how much sleep do you need enough to feel rested during the day maybe you need a short nap napping is great as long as it doesn't screw up your nighttime sleep how long shouldn't that be no longer than 90 minutes and if you can't nap don't don't worry about it like this is not a big deal like you don't have to be a napper but a lot of people need a nap in the early afternoon or late afternoon in order to reset that's totally normal it has to do with body temperature regulation otherwise your body temperature goes up in the afternoon then starts to drop you tend to get a little bit sleepy one way to avoid the afternoon crash by the way is don't drink caffeine for the first hour and a half to two hours after you wake up let a bunch of the sleeping molecules get cleared away sleep molecules things like adenosine blah blah blah and then drink your caffeine at first it's kind of painful to do but you'll just go all day feeling great it's pretty pretty fantastic now alcohol disrupts the architecture the quality of your sleep you can fall asleep but the sleep you get is not restorative and the first part of your night when you sleep is really for repair of the body growth hormone release Etc the second half is when two things happen one is you tend to have dreams that are very emotionally Laden but you are paralyzed you have sleep atonia um you can't move and it's a kind of trauma therapy you actually if you ever had like a disturbing interaction or something's bothering you if you get a few nights good sleep you're like okay like it's like water under the bridge if you don't people tend to kind of maintain the emotional load of things now the sleepa Tony is kind of interesting has anyone here ever um woken up and you were still paralyzed to my wife it's terrifying yeah well it happens more often to cannabis users but it's uh it's not uncommon for for non-cannabis users too so you wake up and it's just like you kind of jolt awake um it's pretty terrifying actually to be wide awake but you can't move but that's what it's like in that second half of the night of sleep if you drink alcohol you tend to screw up the first part of the night of sleep and so the physical repair doesn't happen as well now look I'm not somebody saying like you could never have a glass of wine or a cocktail or something it depends on how many other healthy things you're doing and how many other unhealthy things this is important yeah so you know if you were to be really strict you'd say the data point to the fact that no alcohol is better for your immediate and long-term Health than any alcohol and people say well red Wine's good and in these blue zones where people live to be 110 they're doing a lot of other things too the reality is the Resveratrol and red wine you'd have to drink so much red wine in order to get the Resveratrol you'd be drinking all day it's just that argument is feeble but if you're gonna drink you can probably have two drinks maybe three per week no problem no problem uh total drinks per week per week but if you're gonna drink more than that and I'm not listen I don't tell people what to do I just say you know but know what you're doing right yeah you're gonna do that then you probably want to make some effort to do other things right for instance I would hope that people are avoiding hard drugs like cocaine amphetamine why because they lead to huge increases in dopamine that basically reward only one thing cocaine and amphetamine and over time everything else feels a little weak in comparison right it is it's an extreme experience that you didn't really have to earn right there's nothing earned and so you tend then everything else seems a little bit weak and so cocaine amphetamine are very very bad and opioids are just really bad and the fentanyl thing now is super scary where young people old people are just dying so those just like put those in the heroin let's just put those in a category of like yeah let's not even entertain there are people Adderalls in that thing too well Adderall it's crazy whenever I come to New York whenever I run into the the investment banker types especially the young guys overall is Big out here yeah big big big and New York City's Adderall culture like you're not even just it's any job at an office you're probably doing Adderall yeah it's the cocaine it's prescription cocaine basically yeah I am you know unless you have clinically diagnosed ADHD I would you know Steer clear of Adderall Vyvanse even modafinil occasionally used to modafinil which was developed for narcolepsy and things like that maybe for certainly it's very modafinil is very expensive prohibitively expensive for most people there are certain supplements that work not as well but things like Alpha GPC which are safer 300 milligrams of alpha GPC um but listen I there I have a colleague who won a Nobel Prize he's a professor of Columbia everyone in our business knows that he choose like five or six pieces of Nicorette a day because when he was a smoker nicotine is an amazing nootropic but the the delivery device will kill you vaping is not good for you smoking's not good for you dipping is not good for you snuffing's not good for you in Scandinavia they use the little Zen pouches yeah look I'm not going to push nicotine on people but the reason I take Alpha GPC to work every once in a while is because it stimulates nicotine release and you can focus like a laser and I don't need it but I do enjoy it every once in a while and it it's safe ish for me you know obviously people have to decide what's safe for them but you know nicotine is a focuses the brain in an incredible way um Adderall you know the problem is is very addictive because there's nothing like that narrow tunnel of focus that you get from like the Limitless drug I took actually maybe I took a full at Burning Man yeah but I didn't feel that as much but I've heard if you got work to do it's [ __ ] you're you know it's done yeah you're in the tunnel and and so it becomes a used so there's use there's dependency and then there's addiction right an addiction I Define and this is based on the biology of it but we don't have to get into that right now because we've done long episodes of that some of the episodes of my podcast are so long they're like in a cure insomnia for sure but but you know Addiction in my mind is as the biology says it's a progressive narrowing of the things that bring you pleasure and it's also a progressive narrowing of the things that bring you the effect you want it's like the fetish thing right are you addicted to boots you know boots is the other one right uh like some people have a boot fetish no no take the boot off sock off yeah he likes the feet you need the boot off of the unless there's a little window one toe showing I like Andrew's there yeah the um but you know if you need Adderall in order to focus you're becoming dependent are you addicted well I don't know it depends but yesterday I ran into a guy on the street and uh we were talking about this and he said he's he's off Adderall now but he has to go to AAA and N A meetings in order to stay sober so that tells me he's you know this is serious yeah and you know I think that the current estimate is that more than 80 80 of college students take Adderall Vyvanse or you know um Ritalin at some point so it's it's amphetamine and I you know people are struggling with it you know one incentive to get off of it is that it's not good for your heart it tends to push all the blood towards sort of core organs it's like stress response because when you're stressed your pupils get big and your vision gets like you know this narrow that's why I put blinders on horses so that they don't look around and focus on other things um I mean it'll uh it'll shrink the penis you know not permanently but it causes vasoconstriction right it's the opposite of things that cause the vasodilation you should never take an Adderall I've never taken Adderall never taken Vyvanse I took uh I know I tried I tried um uh our modafinil once I got a prescription for our modafinil and um I took it and I had to give a lecture that day and I couldn't stop lecturing here's the problem for me anyway but um I just was just sewing the tunnel I didn't like it gave me a brutal headache I don't think I'd ever do it again but I like caffeine I think healthy use caffeine's amazing it's amazing that nicotine has its place for certain people it's protect nicotine is protective against Parkinson's yeah as neuroprotective effects but I don't think people should be smoking dipping vaping and and snuffing and nobody snuffs anymore snuff I think is they literally put the tobacco at the nose yeah caffeine is too much caffeine is there an amount oh I did too much you know if you spread it out the amount that doesn't let you sleep on the timing counts there too and nowadays they put um theanine in energy drinks because it takes the Jitters off which allows you to drink more rocks you know I'm not gonna name brands dude but uh more energy drink that's not a bad thing it's great in and of it so yeah theanine's great um and you know for Sleep magnesium three theanine epigenin inositol those things work well I'd rather see people use supplements like that than rely heavily on melatonin Ambien you know in any barbiturates okay but okay but you're drinking you want to drink so let me just ask you this so in order to be happy this stage of your life how many drinks do you need per week one beer wine or one cocktail each representing one and just you know like like I didn't drink for 10 years I don't need like when I was in Santa Barbara I didn't drink yeah so like wait really yeah I mean everyone maybe like the first two years by the time it was legal for me to drink I didn't drink then you became a pothead in Europe yeah I don't drink when we first met he didn't drink he didn't smoke weed he didn't do anything yeah what were you into well surfing and comedy comedy that's where you picked up comedy yeah feet yeah no no no where did you do comedy I did comedy in Santa Barbara for the first time but like where where is a restaurant there called a bricks Cafe that I was managing and uh wow and uh yeah they had a common night and I just tried it out then I did it when I got back but but yeah so it's like I cannot drink very easily though I do like drinking and I I think it's fun I think it's cool I think it's a nice like it's a quick disassociation I actually prefer weed but I just get such a hangover front the next day like I get like really affected by it makes me like really insecure and anxious the next day well cannabis so just briefly like cannabis is a mixture of THC and CBD and then I did an episode on this and nowadays you know there's more THC in some of them and some CBD and the Cannabis can be of the sativa type or the Indica type Indica tends to be in general and the pot smokers always come after me about this but in general they call it like Indica like into couch yeah yeah right it's like a Mellows you and sativa is kind of more elevating depends and then there's this whole world of terpenes which are like the things that give it like a citrusy taste dish smell terpenes are plant-based compounds and like now you get these like it's amazing how cannabis people who love cannabis they're like no you got to talk about the terpenes and you're not you know so you don't want to use blanket statements with cannabis because it does have its uses for glaucoma there's a pure CBD form of marijuana that is only available in Colorado called Charlotte's Web that parents actually move there if their kids have certain forms of psychosis and epilepsy this doesn't get them high but seems to help so I'm not one of these people that says cannabis is bad it has certain medical purposes however high THC cannabis that's Vaped in particular because it hits the bloodstream and brain so fast and if that's used in young people for young people that have a predisposition to bipolar schizophrenia it can trigger psychosis later in life and then you know I put this out on the internet in a podcast and boy did I get attacked I was like listen I'm not saying cannabis is bad right I'm I'm basically a Live and Let Live kind of type as long as people aren't harming other people um and you know for the most part um it's you know I'm not one to tell people what to do I'm not a cop but um or a politician but I think if people have Tendencies towards bipolar smoking very high THC cannabis is really risky and that's just what we've seen over and over again there's these huge data sets out of Canada that show this and again I'm not trying to shut down the Cannabis industry I think it's really interesting what's happened people always say well is cannabis safer than alcohol and I would say who cares like if you really want to do cannabis you're going to do it right let's just know let's just be realistic is it safer well yeah for driving maybe but if it's very high THC maybe not and so you kind of get into this these arguments that don't really make sense what is very high THC sorry is the percentage it's going to be the ratio of CBD so when you start getting past like 50 50 ratios and like and you can buy pure THC now people are vaping pure THC I mean which is you know and if you have a stable mental Constitution you're healthy in other ways maybe it's fine and with what frequency of vapings it would have caused that's interesting that gets into the realm of what psychologists would call adaptive maladaptive Behavior so if you um for instance can't function in your work it's too much right but there are people who are in Creative Endeavors or even programmers who do really well smoking you know two or three times a day and so I'm not going to be the one who says don't do it you know the drugs we talked about before you know cocaine amphetamine heroin sorry those you kind of put into a bin of like bad yes right just can't be good right no one thrives on those sure right and many people destroy their lives with them but in terms of triggering psychosis with what frequency from those Canadian studies so you do see that the more high THC cannabis that people smoke the higher probability they're going to have a psychotic episode later even if it was just a couple of times they smoked that seems pretty unlikely that seems pretty unlikely only takes one or two uses to trigger a psychotic absolutely I have a friend from high school who was always a little weird his whole family was kind of weird because these things run in families and he uh did amphetamine it wasn't meth he did amphetamine one or two times and he's still walking the streets of San Francisco he's like like a homeless guy who's crazy he's crazy is there any way to fix it's sad or reverse that sometimes people can take these drugs antipsychotics but the problem is those antipsychotic drugs usually block dopamine and people don't like to have their dopamine blocked yeah in fact if you ever see a homeless person who's on the street doing this kind of riding thing there are two versions of that one is the there's the meth addict version of that the walk yeah right the meth walk and then there's the the schizophrenics who are are taking their psychotic medications excuse me we'll get something called tardy dyskinesia Parkinson's is loss of dopamine when they take antipsychotic medication they're blocking dopamine you get Parkinson's like things where movement gets messed up um cannabis look I think cannabis again has its medical applications certainly stimulating appetite for cancer patients uh glaucoma in some cases um I my if I had a magic wand I'd say hey kids let your brain develop and then explore if you're going to explore same thing with psychedelics yeah um you know MDMA is an interesting drug we could talk about um there's a lot of data on that what about what about uh mushrooms yeah yeah I'm 38 and then I just found out wheat is fun and mushrooms sound fun too um touched it before either never did anything or alcohol I was a [ __ ] dork I I've been buzzed twice and then alcohol to me was always worse than weeds you don't even need the X's The Straight Edge thing that tattooed on your hands right Brad no that's growing up it was like who gets tattoos that's sin yeah right and it's more like is it true now tattoos are not really in like I in my generation like tattoos were yeah it was more common to have a tattoo than not for our age group there's something special about the art of the like yeah bathroom stall yeah people mushrooms mushrooms okay so psilocybin so um there are clinical trials showing that macro dose psilocybin so we're talking massive dose that puts people into a highly hallucinogenic State how many grams is that um we're talking like two to Flame we're like one to five dollars mushrooms yeah so it's interesting they stimulate High release of Serotonin among other things but there's there's work by Matthew Johnson at uh Johns Hopkins and worked out UCSF by Robin Harris showing that you know psilocybin at the macro dose used once or twice in a therapeutic setting can really help people move through depression and Trauma and maybe even eating disorders and maybe some other things too wow it seems to create some sort of opportunity for learning new relationships between things like if you're somebody who's always felt like you were going to fail in Life or you couldn't get over a loss or a death or a relationship like it does allow people somehow to imagine new possibilities in fact 66 percent of people that in those trials found lasting relief years or more from psilocybin now that doesn't mean go crazy recreational psilocybin also I'm just citing what Matthew Johnson is like the leader one of the leaders in this field told me I was like what about microdosing and I was gonna ask and he said he said very little evidence maybe it's because the studies aren't done yet but at least to my knowledge very little evidence he said macro dosing so that was kind of surprise that's surprising I hear about people doing like 0.2 over the course of a couple weeks period just a little bit type of new flow yeah um you know psilocybin is a very because it's very serotonergic it tends to be kind of Mossy earthy people hallucinate it's kind of a mellow people talk about ego dissolution kind of um allows you to see yourself through different perspectives work through things then there's of course MDMA now psilocybin is generally considered safe for adults in the clinical setting the safety profiles are very very high but this isn't the kind of thing you want to take and then go you know and then go for a drive obviously yeah you need some limits in place and there was a case in Florida not that long ago where a guy walked up to a family sitting having lunch and killed them and then sat down on the on the ground and they found out oh he's high on psilocybin now did he have violent tendencies before who knows but you know and it happens and that's one case right and how many people did that on alcohol or didn't even require so it's almost you have to be careful with these you probably need to be guided like I've heard there's a type of therapy where they will give you shrooms and the guy will guide you through it is that the way to do it if people are going to explore this I highly recommend you doing it with a trained licensed clinician and these are moving towards legalization currently they're still illegal right but they are decriminalized in a lot of places which is different than being legal and then there's this question of like how often right um and there isn't a really good answer for that but you know if you're macro dosing psilocybin you can't really do it that often yeah and then you're booking the weekend yeah and then there's the integration remember what happens during the session is one thing but that window of neuroplasticity the ability to change your brain goes on for weeks and weeks and weeks so it may not be just about the experience it's also about what happens in the wake of that experience but there are very exciting drugs frankly because and psychiatrists who are progressive and we have several of them at Stanford are really interested in this there's DMT there's I've again and we could talk about it for hours what about Ayahuasca what is actually happening yeah oh that's great so that's a DMT uh experience so this is um I mean it's amazing two plants that you have to combine in order to get this into massive shift in space and time recognition Ayahuasca um is a bit more of a complicated interpretation like as to whether or not it's safe it tends to bring up a lot of heavy issues but what is happening like actually in your brain massive release of Serotonin and DMT dimethyltryptamine yeah so people it's a very I don't want again the Psychonauts gonna jump all over me for this but it has some very like LSD like qualities some very psilocybin-like qualities yeah um tends to distort your Notions of space and time um DMT itself is just a is like a freight train only lasts about 15 minutes but one of these like gnomes that people say that they see yeah yeah the green men the green people yeah there's some things that people tend to see but the same way that like if people take LSD you see tracers right it just it disrupts your visual perception so your motion perception is off that's because all these chemicals are used all over the brain you know I'm gonna I'll be honest I mean I think that there are less data on Ayahuasca psilocybin is being tested and MDMA the data on MDMA are incredible and MDMA is this massive increase in serotonins but also dopamine and the thing about MDMA is for years it was thought that it is neurotoxic and that's because the paper was published on this it turns out they were using methamphetamine not MDMA in these studies the safety profiles of MDMA provided its real MDMA it's not cut with methamphetamine are actually quite high this was discussed by a guy named Nolan Williams who's in our department of Psychiatry at Stanford he's at one of these crazy like triple board-certified psychiatrists twice over and neurologist so I trust him he's very very conservative about this stuff pure MDMA pure MDMA has been tested at minimal use meaning just a couple of times moderate use which is I think like you know like five to ten times or so and then people have used a lot of it and the safety profiles showed that people tend to be cognitively normal despite those uses but it the sourcing matters and what's interesting you know who those Studies have to be one of these test subjects you know who they did those studies on if you think about what's the one group of people that don't do any drugs don't drink alcohol they did them on Mormons and then the Mormons told me that that Mormon now I'm supposed to say LDS latter days but you know so and I have some very close Mormon friends and like that it's really interesting so there's a there turns out MDMA is not on the banned substance list for Mormons Wow Wow for LDS and so they did these studies in Utah on people from LDS this is what Nolan tells me I looked at the study yeah wild right what a great population and it makes sense they also looked at kids they seem what kids who have done MDMA and so this is a smaller data set but the safety profiles on the actual compounds are pretty impressive the problem is the stuff off the street is cut yeah with amphetamine amphetamine is neurotoxic so when you see someone doing the meth walk down the street that is because they have brain degeneration at that point and nobody wants that is I mean meth is just a terrible drug right and so you know sourcing matters and then MDMA the one problem with MDMA is it makes you feel attached and bonded to anything so if you're listening to music it's like you're like I'm really into music I have a friend you decide you want to be a musician inside of the MDMA session like that's what you got out of it yeah he's still a terrible musician you know but so working with somebody to keep you you know who's licensed and can tell you listen like let's focus back on your relationship to yourself or you're back on your relationship to whatever this person but the data are really impressive it's what about ketamine oh this is the new drug by the way yeah so when we were at Burning Man cocaine was almost non-existent thank goodness because of fentanyl everybody's terrified of getting offensive fentanyl is dangerous fentanyl killed cocaine yeah I think yeah yeah uh a lot of people and people but also the joy that cocaine brings us no uh but but uh yeah so nobody's using the game but but ketamine was rampant everybody was on ketamine yeah so what are your thoughts on ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic yeah it's PCP whoa we grew up hearing that PCP was the thing that was was the reason why people were throwing punches at light poles remember yeah super human strength PCP both ketamine and yeah npcp they're same thing basically you're a bass head bro no they are a bass head well it's so crazy because you are taught the media listen I'm not a concerned everybody was doing yeah it's a devil's weed right I mean they used to say that marijuana was going to make people psychotically violent yeah it can make people psychotic all of the way we talked about before but you know I mean the messaging around certain things is just crazy I mean it's just crazy I'm I'm all for a real discussion I mean uh Joe's friend uh who he's had on the podcast he was up at Columbia here at Carl Hart he takes a very extreme stance he even he wrote the book um drug use for adults I think I have the title as a regular user of uh his he talks a lot about like the war on drugs and how that created these perceptions he's kind of at the extreme end I'm a kind of middle heroine well he talked about recreational use of it yeah and um and how you know constipation is the major side effect I was like you know I yeah you know listen I I he's done far more research on this than I have but I I think that that's a very extreme stance that's not likely yeah not like [ __ ] exactly it's not likely to be adopted in the US anytime soon I think that right now we're in a really exciting time to reevaluate these things for their clinical potential but you think ketamine is so ketamine is legal right it's being used as dissociative anesthetic and it tends to make people feel like they're in the third person they're watching themselves go through an experience now here's what's Wild the data on psilocybins say that if people take large doses of psilocybin and work with a therapist and get to the point of letting go where they're willing to like let themselves almost panic and then break through the other side they experience long lasting relief that we know is true on the other end of the extreme if people take ketamine and they talk about their depressive experiences and they work through them in a very dissociated kind of like distanced way they're able to work through it so I thought how can this be right like they're just opposite effects that's like saying um being wide awake and being asleep are both good for the same thing and turns out it's true because the way it works is you have to go through this Arc of getting really really stressed about something and then breaking through to like sense of Peace the brain seems to need to learn that it can think about a problem or sit next to an experience in any or all of those States and so both ketamine and psilocybin separately not in the same session have been shown to be really effective for the treatment of depression now the issue with ketamine is it often doesn't last the effect doesn't last that long and so people have to go back and get it every you know week every two weeks or month whereas the psilocybin we're talking about one or two sessions and more than two-thirds of people in those studies experience long lasting relief from otherwise what they call intractable depression which is incredible and you know you look five years ago three years ago I would have been afraid to have this conversation as an academic now we have Labs at Stanford Johns Hopkins UCSF University College London that are focusing on and the pharmaceutical industry is like jumping on this really yeah because these are some of the most effective treatments for depression that anyone's ever observed with minimal side effect potential which is pretty fantastic it's amazing is it is it depression primarily because a lot of kids struggle with anxiety the whatever else they're going through I mean well anxiety is a tricky one because there are a lot of different sources sometimes there's anxiety weaved into depression and vice versa um you know anxiety is you know you don't want people taking sedatives but people need to learn how to work through their anxiety and that's like a lot of what my lab works on like tools you know double inhale through the nose until your lungs are full then long exhale that's the fastest way we know to really quickly calm down this isn't breath work this is just a pattern of breathing that we know can really dispel stress quickly yeah um so-called it's like can you just dump all this carbon dioxide which is so some people frankly um a lot of people are really overweight or even mildly overweight who have sleep apnea have more anxiety because they're not getting rid of CO2 yeah so they're literally suffocating in sleeping there you'll see these people their mouth breathers not even necessarily just people who are overweight so it's not good to be a mouth breather um you don't blow off enough CO2 anxiety yeah you should sleep with like athletic tape on your mouth so you train yourself to breathe through your nose because apparently it's way better for you yeah I'll do cardio I do a long run once a week or some long cardio I do it um I try and not a mouth breed the whole time can it also change face shape yeah so this is a wild book called Jaws a hidden epidemic by colleagues of mine at Stanford and they show they have these twin studies one kid grows up in a culture where they eat a lot of soft foods drinking Capri Sun eating applesauce baby food the other one is you know got stuck in the jungle or whatever it is and they're chewing on Bones and chewing their food and one kid these are identical twins has beautiful jaw structure and high cheekbones and the eyes and look nice and clear the other kid is like droopy the teeth are there in their mouth breathing they show this there's one case of this young girl who just she got a pet or a pet hamster I think it was got a a allergy to the hamster and literally this beautiful young girl and she just her face just starts aging at a rapid rate they get rid of the hamster she goes back to nasal breathing they do a little encouragement of nasal breathing using the mouth closure thing at night do a little bit of medical tape and like her these beautiful almost like model-esque features come back in this girl jaw shape and the clearer to the nasal passages you know really there's no reason why any of us should ever had had braces but all your teeth should fit in your mouth right and you should be able to put your tongue on the roof of your mouth with your mouth closed I can't quite do it your palate should be somewhat wide you know and so when we see now there's the jawser Sizer is really big in Hollywood that and peptides are like taking over yeah these like things were like bouncy mouthpiece yeah it looks the only problem is it makes people drool it's pretty gross but you know it's work exercise they definitely work they change your facial structure they dilate the the um uh the nasal passages you look at somebody who keeps their facial muscles strong there's and this is for women and men their jaw muscles strong we're not talking about the like you know like I mean there's certain people like genetic freaks like my friend Laird Hamilton he's got you know he's like big old neck and like yeah like he looks like a you know an actor from the 70s or something he's just naturally that way um but people who care about their facial structure especially who don't want a lot of people are concerned or like what's going on with my skin a lot of um women and men are like putting all the stuff on and figure out how to get rid of the droopy eyes it's actually a facial muscle issue and where they just just to do some jaw exercises and focus on not mouth breathing it completely changes the structure of the face in just two three months and there's yeah there's like skin care salons called like face gym and other places where they're literally giving your face a workout and you'll notice that it's like a lymphatic type of massage it'll change after one session so I imagine just doing the training yeah so when girls are getting like maybe this doesn't work actually when girls getting filler to like put in like they have the hollow space or whatever here or here does that does that well I look at the plastic surgery thing now and it's kind of crazy I mean maybe this just reflects my age and my generation but I see some people with wearing so much dark eye makeup plus they're getting the cheekbone inserts they look like skeletons now that's not yeah I really listen everyone's got their taste especially if they're really lean you know and then but facial structure is something that can be modified um and so the having a chewing your food chewing hard Foods is something we used to do a lot more all this slurping down of food and calories we know isn't good from the Obesity side but it's also not good from the Jaw structure teeth structure face structure and it's all related you know so that book Jaws is amazing people can just look it up online if they want to buy them but just who um you know Jaws um mouth structure face structure and then just go images and you'll see these pictures and this was known in the 1800s there was a book called shut your mouth by a British Doctor Who talked about the fact that people who snore asleep like this and then during the daytime they become mouth breathers he said they become less attractive than the people who are um uh nose breathers yeah it's pretty interesting yeah it's really interesting and this is like a zero cost thing but um it's not emphasized enough at all yeah yeah I've heard this is crazy crazy I mean I saw random things on like maybe Tick Tock or Instagram of of uh people who said yeah I started chewing this thing or maybe it was like that was a hard gum I thought yeah yeah there's a hard gum yeah and I was I thought that this was some like uh I don't know just some Ploy some like gimmick yeah to get some quick money out of people but no this is legit yeah yeah and there's a you know also for avoiding orthodontia you know like uh kids who chew hard food to have to chew their food eating real food and chewing their food not just peanut butter you know slurping down food all the time they using their jaw and their teeth they have really nice teeth in fact the argument was made and there's a you know animals in the animal kingdom have beautiful teeth structure you don't see the the messed up teeth the beautiful teeth structure and they don't wear braces but they're tearing flesh and they're doing their thing we brought this up before you look at like mummified people from like way back in the day their teeth are always like pretty good yeah and like they're not they don't have all crazy they're not eating sugar at the same rate stuff like that but those are the elites bro you know Olivia's got chewing on Bones and things like that well and if people think this sounds like kind of like actually wait that makes sense they were probably the ones eating the best food the ones having to chew on meat because it was the rich people that are going to be able to get that meat because I don't think they were mummifying everybody right I mean like people like the bog man that like is in you know England that got frozen in like some boss oh okay even he yeah like their teeth are not in the way the American teeth are now so then why did why did humans start losing their teeth there's like the this nice structure you mean yeah like you even look back at you know old presidents and stuff like that like George Washington and all fake teeth like what did he start ingesting that's getting rid of well I think back then the problem was that you know there was no I mean Dental Care is still a good idea yeah in fact bacteria in the teeth and not I'm terrible about floss maybe sugar too sugar and also people not flossing I mean flossing and you know flossing in tooth care actually improves heart health this is not pseudoscience yeah I've heard that because if you have bacteria living in your mouth right and starting to take residence in your mouth and they get into your system it can cause issues for the rest of your body I mean we of course operate it as a whole system um you know I'm pretty bad about flossing I was one of these kids had tons of cavities it was just and I took decent brush twice a day I don't know are any of you three times a day brushers people they always impress me they're brushing their teeth after lunch yeah it's not me either um you know flossing and brushing definitely good um to keep bacteria out but it's amazing what you know chewing your food really well yeah will do for a facial structure and I I want to use a bathroom real quick but when I get back can we do like a can we go over like a few small things like this like maybe like the five or ten tiny things that you can do they'll have yeah almost like it's the biggest biggest yeah I read that both your parents had a dancing ability yeah well my mom and then my dad learned for sure and you have dancing ability I don't know about that I mean you know obviously I'm the best dancer in this podcast it's not even close do you want to have another competition pick your dance what's the dance sturdy guess you know it's getting sturdy let's go I love Dancing Yeah dance is the best yeah yeah we're supposed to dance yeah I mean listen I I think dances me you know it's also linked to verbal ability I guess on the podcast he's amazing he's here his name is Eric Jarvis I mean here in in New York he's a professor at the Rockefeller okay he was invited to although turned down legitimately I checked this um to be an Alvin Ailey Dance Company wow became a neuroscientist he studies speech language and dance it turns out that species of non-human species that have language like birds that like the types of birds that can mimic and have can speak dance you know you see the thing of the cockatoos yeah he can really dance you don't see elaborate language in species including humans that can't dance and he thinks that song and dance actually evolved before the kind of speech that we're doing right now I completely believe yeah yeah he's an incredible human human being Amazing Story grew up in Harlem his story and the story of his family is incredible yeah that makes perfect sense and he's running it he's running a lab here at the Rockefeller which is um we got something incredible incredible guy and yeah you should dance is a form of communication probably the original form yeah I was we were talking to uh I was talking to Jordan Peterson the other day and that he even brought that up we were just talking about like the importance of play and um uh play allows you to enter these somewhat like dangerous or fearful fearful zones in a very safe way and dance is a version of that like if you go dance with a girl you can flirt with her you can get very close to her you can do all these things that would be incredibly dangerous and terrifying for her if you're just on the subway but because of this safe little scenario you guys can be almost very sexual through this you know this game that you're playing so of course you would want to learn that especially if you couldn't say anything to people we're talking about millions of years ago we don't have language figured out yet I mean [ __ ] probably when we were younger most of the girls that we like hooked up with we didn't even talk to yet right like you're at a nightclub you're dancing you guys make out then you find out what their name that's the most Primal way to hook up and they might even tell you their real name yeah wow dude that's interesting yeah you know and dance there's also the power dynamics who's leading and allowing oneself to be led yeah so again we're back to this thing about again when people think power they always power over but what I'm talking about is an a consensual exchange of power yeah yeah right and so yeah the Jarvis lab is doing amazing work on this there are a few other labs too yeah it's sort of the dance is the most primitive but also a very sophisticated form of communication also the hands are a form of communication and the representation of the hands and the brain is right next to the speech area try and try and do your job try to do what you do with keeping your hands still very very hard yeah and I'm guessing when you do comedy on stage I haven't paid specific attention to your hands but now I feel like I need to go back and watch oh absolutely and so I'm guessing that you you know facial expressions and hands like it's a huge part of it right yeah not as much as I pick up speech patterns from friends I'll pick up like sometimes I'll find myself moving my hands like Andrew I'm like what the [ __ ] what am I doing yeah I think that's normal yeah you can tell a lot about someone's energy I used to I love animals and so I used to study people from like what animals they represent and like you know see some women for instance and men but oftentimes I I had a friend and she just moved like a cat and I was like what is it to move like a cat and what would happen is the part of the limb closest to the body and the nerd speak we call it the distal limb would move before the sorry the proximal limb before the distal limb distal is far away I I said it back twice today I said things backwards so when she would reach for something she wouldn't go like this like I would like a you know like a primate right she would go it was like very feline it was like the arm would move first closest to the body and then she would reach and every one of her movements was amazing I once watched her unwrap a birthday gift and it was like a piece of art she was just like yeah I could I still remember it in my mind some people are more crude they're like you know it's like all body you know that the limbs are all moving together very primate yeah some people were very feline some people move smoothly some people when they talk it's very staccato yeah and some people like their their limb movements are very smooth and it has a lot to do with their kind of demeanor and what they're saying and when people are angry the other day we were walking um down the street in New York and you know it's always great to see some of the things you see and and you look and clearly there was a couple she'd either caught him cheating or she was pissed and I don't know what she said but her hand movement said it all yeah and like I was like this guy's gonna get knocked out with her words but her hands were moving at a mile a minute were way up in his face yeah very different than if somebody is you know very demure very very interesting the way the body and language sync up yeah and you said mentioned music yeah so with music I mean our ability to create keep going I'm going to just fix this oh thank you you're good I feel so well cared for here yeah he's a very nurturing group of men you know by the way thank you um and you know music and song was probably the original form of communication if you think let's go back to this aversive competitive thing when you smell something that you hate you go ugh you tend to Exhale yep you don't want to ingest them all just when you smell something or someone that you really like it's it's like bring that into my system right when you think about certain language which is like they call the plosive words they'll like get this away from me swearing yeah right it's like you know like imagine your four-letter words whatever one is explosive you're sending things out yeah whereas like love is a softer word not just if you say it that way yeah now you can say I hate you you can say I love you and I hate you way or you can say I hate you and I love you way but that gets in to some of the you know the finer finer Nuance but in reality that the structure of our language whether or not we're doing a or a tends to associate with the strength of the word and what it means in the same way that when we do a m or ah right so language is built up from these primitive forms of breathing right you're just language is just controlling the errors it leaves it was amazing right you're just taking a breath you're exhaling and you're controlling the exhales wow but music like let's say you loved somebody you would probably tell them in the way that you would vocalize independent of the words and if you hate somebody you can tell them in the way that you you know like I'm gonna kill you is probably like yeah it's not gonna be even the word kill like that hard sharp sound absolutely so there's a lot there's a lot there listen we're basically we are evolved from very primitive structures right yeah and you cannot do away with that primitive stuff so you ask can you evolve this away you can make decisions about how to control your behavior someone can really make you angry you decide not to not to hurt them or you might decide to hurt them later in a very specific way right like that's like it almost feels diabolical but you could say Okay now's not the right context I could get hurt if I do it that way I'm gonna wait take my time Dart them later through this other interaction and that you know whether or not people resort to Violent interactions or more um uh diabolical types of things or whether or not you know you could decide you really like somebody yeah so you're going to ignore them and you're going to wait till not everyone in the room is hitting on them and you're gonna you know approach them differently than everybody approaches yeah Etc et cetera we have a lot of control but the basic drives right make more of our species take great care of our young nurture that thing about kindness nurture the person we're with we like to be nurtured too um gestures of affection and and things like that that's all pretty that's been around a long long time I'm curious your thoughts on on story I was watching your show I've noticed it from just telling stories on stage and just watching other comedians tell stories I've noticed the way that I react when I see stories I know it's a way that like when you're with a group of people and one person begins a story the group just shuts the [ __ ] up now if the story sucks eventually people will move on but everybody's given like a few seconds if the story is set up right is there something biologically wired in our brain to like pay attention to this to react in a way like even with the Cuttlefish story you told did you notice the energy shift in the room I mean at that moment I'm just in it as you know as like on stage like uh I felt a shift man yeah I mean people got I mean I love like we're still learning things but we're learning it through story which is like I think it's a more impactful way yeah yeah so without question story is the most powerful way to communicate information yeah just no question I mean why I wish I knew here here you know it's not often I'm lost for words yeah this is one of those cases I don't we can't point to a specific biological mechanism yeah I wish I could tell you it's because of this that the other thing but here's a couple of hard biological findings that are really cool if we were to each listen to the same story in separate rooms and we start the story at different times maybe even on different days and I track your heart rate your heart rate my heart rate is and his heart rate and then we were to look your Baseline heart rate would be different than everyone else's and vice versa but the adjustment but the adjustments map almost that's it perfectly this was a study that was published in cell reports last year and I love this because and we're coming up on the holidays here and like you never want to timestamp a podcast this way or like but the or Time Capsule this way but you know when we read story and we hear story together we synchronize our physiology this is this is one of the coolest studies ever and so there's something about sharing the same physiological response and look it doesn't all boil back down to sex but as long as we have an opportunity to talk about sex in a healthy context what is sex okay sex is reproduction in some context not others it's but you're you're taking your physiologies and you're saying to some extent I'm gonna let you control my physiology and I'm going to control your physiology in a consensual way right that's consensual sex and when we listen to story whether or not let's say I listen to a story you know Eastern European Time 9 p.m and you're listening to 8 A.M and then we're totally out of sync but our heart rates map onto the same Contour so I I so that's the best answer this is awesome in terms of data and that's it that paper is one of my favorites let's work on this because I'm really excited about this as as I've started to do bigger venues you know when we're on tour we've been doing it starts at you're doing comedy clubs 300 seeds then you're doing a thousand two thousand radio cities six thousand and I started to go okay the way that we hold attention in bigger spaces has to be different and I don't think that everything has to be stored I think that you need to like mix things up but I have noticed it's so funny that you said that but I have noticed that story can wrap up a room of many more people when it's 30 40 people we can do premises quick ideas potshot jokes Mr X and that kind of stuff but holding ten thousand ten thousands you need everybody to have similar reactions at similar times and I've been thinking about this for a [ __ ] year straight going how do I do twenty thousand how do I hold twenty thousand and have everybody waiting for that moment for the laugh to happen and you tell me right now that when people listen to story they all have the same reaction in those same moments opposed to like just giving an opinion or like stating a premise some people might disagree they might get turned off they might be upset right some people might find it hilarious but a story even if it upsets you you're still reacting with all those other people that's right that's shared reaction it's like waves on the ocean we're all going up and down together at the on the same on the same boat and before he started doing movies with The Rock who was the biggest tour in comic in decades yeah Kevin Hart yeah Kevin Hart's doing [ __ ] the link that's how you fill that space and that's how you get everybody in the same thing I mean you look at you look at at Chappelle you know he's he's been able to do these like massive venues these incredible Storyteller oh yeah and that last special he's talking about his friend from San Francisco yes uh from San Francisco weaves that through yeah Dance I mean we used to gather and you know people would hunt together people would cook together people would sing together people would dance together story telling I mean it's been said where the storytelling species no it seems like I mean it seems like a a cheat code almost to be honest to like convey information I mean I even look at like you know sometimes when I'm trying to get inspiration I do it outside of Comedy like I'll even look at like politicians who were very like charismatic I'm like why are they charismatic what are they doing and like I was watching an old Bill Clinton interview regardless what you think about [ __ ] Bill Clinton he's undeniably charismatic right and that's why I was able to be president of United [ __ ] States right despite exactly despite all the [ __ ] that people forget just as a point I'm still amazed and I'm like listen politics aside like I know people that still love him despite the fact that he got caught lying and they're just like they kind of forgave him almost because he forgave himself it seemed like he forgave himself and so people forgave him I mean how loud or [ __ ] he was accused of let's put it that way cheating is the least of the position yeah I'm very uh and I'm not playing uh Dodge here but I'm very naive when it comes to your house because it just confuses me because I feel like there's no data it's worse than alcohol for recovery but the point is I was watching him one of these late night shows and he was asked a question about the climate or something like that and he didn't just give a day to answer he told a story he's like you know what when I was in South Carolina I remember once and there's this guy and he came up to me and he talked to me and everybody just gets immediately wrapped into this story about and he somehow proves that it's affecting coal miners or something like that I'm not exactly sure but through the story and had like a little funny punch line at the end and I'm like wow that's the greatest answer I've ever heard on this it was absolutely amazing I'm like this is a superpower yeah learning how to use that but the fact that everybody's reacting in the same moment that's how you fill those spaces that was so helpful um I'll pass you the study please you have a degree in Psychology from our alma mater the study is almost the same when you think about it I'm just not as funny as you said yeah there we go that's the only difference we're as obsessed with feet um but uh in any case it's a really interesting study this is the first one that I'm aware of that really sees you know different rooms different times of day different subjects same story and of course you're going to get people to have greater and lesser reactions to a story some people like it more or less and we have different attention but if all they are they lay out the curves and they just map onto one another you go oh my goodness I you know I saw this when I saw why we want to watch shows together and I mean this like you know every Sunday there would be like the HBO show that comes on at nine o'clock whether it was Game of Thrones or excuse me it doesn't matter what whether it was AMC with Mad Men it didn't matter but like we do want that group experience we do want to watch a show the movie theaters like being in there with all these people and a movie is the story yeah for an hour and a half we're all just in the same place you want to feel that we want to have those reactions we want to be scared and have everybody go huh together yeah the story is the thing that wow I didn't think about like that a story is something that creates what do you say shared physiological we could think about as resonance you know it's like a feeling that we're kind of one in the same we've we felt the same about the same things even if we don't know it's got somewhat subconscious remember I saw um Joe Rogan um no last name needed but Joe Rogan uh two comedy at the Vulcan Club down yeah he does that submission sometimes in Austin and he's got this bit I won't even try and repeat what is but it's hilarious but he's leading you down this path and you're thinking oh no he's not going there but you kind of know where he's going yeah but you're not sure and it was amazing because I was like wow I'm not sure if it's leading to a surprise or a confirmation of where I think he's going yeah and then I realized like it doesn't matter we are all online and then of course the the end is great and I don't want to cue people to it because if you haven't heard for the first time it's it's amazing it's amazing the third time because I've seen it three times um but his ability to spool out the narrative because you have to keep people on board because we all know that guy or that girl who starts a story and then you're like oh my God where's this going like is this going you know that that's but there's often because there's no uh information Gap like there's nothing that we want to know that's right creating that information Gap our curiosity spikes and we're like all right well take me there like it's the horror movie right you're like what's down the hallway right where's somebody following her is somebody outside you got to create that I think the people that don't tell the stories well they just create no information Gap they give you all the information right that's right you know in great courtroom you know drama is really about bringing the I mean I have friends who are lawyers who do criminal court and civil court where a ton is on the line and they create a narrative about the other person they use the person actually to fill in words to create the narrative they want so they create this argument using other people's words I mean lawyers are masterful they're really good ones are masterful at getting a narrative into the juries none of that that's that'd be great just seeing how they build narrative build curiosity Alex used to work in the court system so yeah I would say that and the best lawyers were the best storytellers like everyone's just like we're just like engaged and it's like yeah real so notable difference when there was someone who was really good oh yeah and then the bad ones are the ones that are just giving you the info they're just like ah this thing happened at this time and this is why you know I'm in the health and you got to sell me on it and would you see someone who you thought might have been guilty would you see like wow the reaction from people change yeah and that's why having a good lawyer is so important because it's like even if the person is innocent or guilty if the other lawyer can convey it better it's like you can get that person off it might be a reach but is that why the media is so powerful because they write the story yeah once they craft the narrative and get everybody into it it's it's set yeah I mean you know I think about I used to I try and avoid like serial killer crime stuff because it's dark and it's out there and like I don't want to focus on that now but I was living in Davis when uh there was a whole Scott Peterson Lacey Peterson murder yeah she was pregnant it was it was really around me at one point they discovered body parts in this uh canister not far from where my lab was at that time and it turned out that was a guy working at the coroner's office who was taking his work home but he wasn't involved in the murders it wasn't her body but there were all these things happening and then he died remember then Scott Pearson dyed his hair ran from Mexico he had this thing with this woman who was this massage therapist and they literally had footage or of him saying oh yeah I'm here in Paris under the Eiffel Tower and there he was at the vigil for his dead wife you know know the media did a masterful job of piecing together all these things that basically set him up and I from what I understand he's guilty right I don't know it wasn't there but I wasn't there but the uh good album but the you know they piece together this thing of like all these behaviors created the story of this guy who was a liar a cheater a guy who would try and disguise himself and leave but they never actually got him directly to confess or anything like that so they create this narrative that you go like this guy killed his wife and his unborn child and he should go to prison forever maybe he got a death penalty I can't remember I think they reversed on it anyway the point is that like the media created a narrative about him yeah well right now Liz Holmes is going to get um sentenced in a few days right theranos yeah company with all these blood tests and the fabricated stuff she's been found guilty I've watched uh uh what is it um bad blood I think is the you know the story around her is so powerful that you know and it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens so I'm really curious to see what happens but the media lives on information they live on the story and yeah it's like why haven't they sentenced her yet like let's get the show on the road yeah um she's had two kids now she's a mother an expecting mother with a kid so now there's a sympathy weave and like you know and and so listen I don't know who did what but the media is masterful at doing this politicians on the other hand at least as far as I can tell are just trying to navigate the next 12 hours of the news cycle yeah and make someone else look bad so that the lens is off them yeah I think this is why really good people don't run for for office there are a few good ones out there like I'm a fan of a few of them but most it's just kind of like protect oneself and point fingers at everyone else for 12 hours 12 hours 12 hours it's pretty awesome survival game and then just yeah no Visionaries like I mean the right now I'm I think we're really we you know we need Visionaries we need people who can get out there and and tell us also it's like who would do it right like you think about what you go through like the scrutiny like even our friends what they've gone through like Joe being in his position and having so much power and influence and then just putting his name behind a candidate and then immediately the next day having an onslaught of media narratives like look so imagine that's you like imagine you're already a billionaire I look at all these guys who are independently wealthy and they're like well why don't why doesn't uh well Jeff Bezos run for president it's like why would that because he loves his life exactly it's like it makes your life horrible they're gonna look at what your kids do they're gonna do everything they possibly can to make you radioactive and just destroy any symbols of happiness you have we have a system where it actually behooves you to already be a piece of [ __ ] before you run I think everyone who runs through office should make their second speech all the things that they did wrong that they can remember and then ask whether or not people still want them to run yeah and then yeah and let people like post to that list yeah let's not waste the time yeah I was just like here's all the terrible stuff like Eminem The Eight Mile like Eminem I think everyone would be better off yeah I think everyone we do need good people I really hope that somebody listening to this is like gonna like bite the bullet and just you know run let's hope maybe you yeah not never gonna happen I think you have more influence in culture like I I don't know I like being a part of culture I don't want to be a part of politics I don't want to be a part of like telling people what to do I want to be a part of like reflecting on what people do and what we love and to me that's way more fun than making rules you know what I mean no way I mean it doesn't appeal to me at all I ran for office in the seventh grade I I lost I started skateboarding so much quick team sports after that and just yeah no I'm like do my own thing and science is fun because there are definitely rules but there are rules around trying to figure things out yeah and no one becomes and stays a scientist if they don't really want the truth yeah because it in the end like there's no real incentive for figuring out stuff that's not true yeah every once in a while you hear of these people it turns out that 90 of the time when people commit scientific fraud they're medical doctors who get into science they're not pure scientists and guess what they get caught and they do it again they get rehired and they do it again I have a friend who who knows this area like Sport and he loves he's brilliant he loves telling stories about all these people get caught doing terrible things like you'll falsifying it and they do it again and again and again I think it's a compulsion I think it's like the it's like the people who they're just delusional I think I think the game for them becomes trying to get one over on people it's not really about environmental doctors want egos um doctors come in two forms and I think there are many many excellent doctors who have incredible beds I may really care about their patients and then there are a lot of them that would like to be well known and famous and it's very hard to be well known and famous in that profession and doctors who go into science oftentimes get a little bit of a of a boost because their training is unique and special and um yeah for whatever reason they're when you look at data for application more often it's medical doctors turn scientists than pure scientists wow um but but I do want to say that again not for political reasons but most doctors probably 99 of doctors are very well intentioned and very you know just trying to help in whatever field they can oftentimes very unhealthy themselves I see that a lot I look at some of the doctors you know Stanford is different to be fair like people pay more attention to their health I think but sometimes I see like I've seen dentists with bad teeth yes wow so it's weird right and people always go you know it doesn't compute yeah but anyway that who knows yeah so let's um a peptides just means a chain of amino acids um but let's just get this um out so because there's a lot of interest in this now um right you need to sleep exercise good nutrition uh good social interactions you need to do all that stuff right you're never going to optimize testosterone muscle fat loss Etc if you're not doing those things you need to everyone needs to do that then there's a question of like supplementation and there are some good supplements that are legal things like Tonga Ali fadojia aggressives they can boost testosterone somewhat um and that people get benefit from and don't shut down your own testosterone production or growth hormone production then there are drugs prescription drugs like growth hormone testosterone that people use for testosterone replacement therapy and then just all out steroids like Anadrol Ox angelone where like you see the guys you you know the look right I mean you know yeah um you know and that can be abused Etc any of those things could be abused but but there's this new kind of wedge in between supplements and prescription drugs that are called peptides and they're a bunch of different kinds and the ones that are most popular right now in health and fitness for use in both males and females are for instance things that stimulate the release of growth hormone they're called secretagogues that sounds like synagogue but it's secret agog things like sermoreline Tessa morellin hypomerellen they all you take it as an injection they can be bought without a prescription or with a prescription we can talk about what's better um and they're taking before sleep if you haven't eaten anything for a couple of hours they stimulate massive growth hormone release igf-1 Etc they help you recover faster fat loss muscle repair they also stimulate libido pretty pretty this is America yeah what is this sir Moreland why are we not all how can we well okay a couple of reasons one to get it really good sir morality in your prescription but there are lots of doctors that will prescribe you can work on that yeah what if I'm trying to have a baby does that [ __ ] that up it does not disrupt so testosterone will disrupt sperm production you can offset that so let's say you were to take testosterone um it would shut down your own sperm production testicle shrink some people more than others but some people take HCG human chorionic gonadotropin that can stimulate the testes to continue to make sperm HCG incidentally used to be now they make it in a laboratory you inject it used to be um collected from pregnant women's urine so in the bodybuilding Community people used to live really like try and drink pregnant women's urine there was a black market for it yeah I knew that yeah I figured that story was going to widen somebody um but did you notice I went in yes exactly so people can maintain fertility on uh testosterone but sir Moreland will not disrupt fertility um why wouldn't you take it okay well there is this issue that first of all you need a prescription to get it clean there are sources online where you can just buy it without a prescription it's a little sketchy you go to these sites and then like they say venmo me but venmo me under this name so it's kind of gray Market the problem with those is you don't know about the Purity you don't know if you're getting what you think let's assume that we have some connections MDS will prescribe us for Moreland yeah I've used sermoreline before I actually still listen I'm really open about this because I never want to be like a Natty or not video on me I'll just say like not you know I mean not meaning I'm I take store Morel in about three or five nights a week um helps me get into really deep sleep quickly you get a bit of a IG F1 boost it's great you recover fat I never recovered very quickly from exercise I didn't start until I was 45. um you look great now you look like what I thought Lance Armstrong would look like with the steroids I ride a bicycle but not like him yeah um uh there's another joke there but I'm not going to make it what is that no no no no no no no no no um I had to be careful um I never met Lance I'm sure he's a nice guy there's a guy who eventually eventually came clean about his and people still seem to like him like yeah they don't wear The Wristband though it took a while but wristband's gone yeah instead of Live Strong and sort of like live honest and by not wearing The Wristband yeah sorry Lance um okay the downside is it causes growth of all things right so if you have for instance a small cancer growing on your pancreas it will accelerate growth of that cancer now so you tend to want to cycle these things doing infrequent use you know five nights a week or three nights a week or occasional use you know look I'll tell you right now a lot of the bodies you see in Hollywood films are on peptides because right now the look isn't really super huge like 80s professional wrestling yeah the look is you know the women are a little bit leaner and stronger than in past years the men are sort of in that middle range you know it's more about definition and you know okay um sir Moreland then there's also something called bpc157 which is actually based on a gastric peptide turns out that there's a gastric peptide that we all make that can promote healing of tissues and I've talked to Joe a lot about this they're not a lot of data on this whereas there are a lot of data on sermorelin but bpc like I had a L5 compression and I was always like in pain standing up from a dumb thing I don't deadlift anymore I just made a dumb mistake um in terms of form and massage Heat their electric therapy the whole thing two injections of bpc157 look if it was Placebo okay I'll take it gone gone BB and the bbc157 is remarkable a few years ago a guy um tore his Achilles right before the Olympics came back bbz157 was implicated in that so again you want to get good clean sources there are Physicians that will prescribe these again these aren't going to shut down fertility or testosterone production um and then there's his wonky or anything like that not that we are aware of not that we're aware your kids are going to be okay your kids are just gonna have so much fire in them you know what I need to take something so I have someone to blame it on when my kids are like a beautiful couple you have all this energy you've lived in New York like you're gonna raise them in New York it was the peptides yeah you're gonna raise them in New York I hope I don't know yeah we'll see I think it was the late Philip Seymour Hoffman that said in his will that his kids wouldn't get any money if they lived outside of New York or Chicago or London because he wanted their brain to develop in a sensory Rich environment is that where he grew up because I'm going to arrange my kids in a different place I'm sorry I know he he unfortunately tapped out through unfortunate circumstances but I think there is something having that intensity you know I mean kids from who aren't from New York they come here and they hear a siren go by and they're like you know my niece grows up in big city and she's like totally comfortable in noise and Chaos she's super calm I see the kids here they're just like whatever you know it's like they just can cope you take a kid like that you put them in California and they're going to run the company yeah because it's just they have so much energy and so much force yeah you know and everyone else is like dissolving into a puddle of Tears because it's too much we're staying here yeah sorry um so okay so there's BP's there's sir morellen there's bpc157 there's and then there's this whole landscape now of like tb500 Etc there's a lot of kind of um cocktails of peptides I know less about that um and they're far less data on that now as long as we're having this discussion because of this audience I have to assume has heard of trt and testosterone replacement there's a lot evolving there I'm hearing about guys going on really young I really worry about that because it will shut down your sperm production unless you won't be able to conceive kids unless you're doing something to offset that like taking HCG and that should always be done with a doctor the new way of doing this is not to get one shot every two weeks of massive testosterone but taking smaller doses every third or fourth day dividing that up and then doing the HCG as well that's very common but trt you know the r is replacement therapy and the range of testosterone is really Broad and I what I would think I what I think guys should do is I started weight training when I was 16 started I was running and weight training and then when I got to Santa Barbara I was more like weight training and hanging out a bit and then I got serious about studies but the point is that you want to train on your own hormones get learn good sleep good nutrition good habits and also live your life right you're not gonna like not have a beer or two every once in a while at age 22 just because you might not recover as well like okay if you have a tendency towards alcoholism be careful but you know let's live your life is my my uh stance but once you have all those things in place let's say you already have kids and people are feeling tired and more sluggish than testosterone replacement therapy can make sense for some people the problem is a lot of people think of a little less good more is better and that's and that's not good and also it's what you do with that you still have to run eat well yeah you know preserve your cardiovascular health yeah it doesn't replace those they still need blood work to make sure your prostate antigens aren't going crazy and stuff like that yeah I hear about young guys who are just like you know they're slamming Viagra and testosterone it's like this and that that's not gonna play out very well over time right like see what you can do naturally with hard work and dedication and balance yeah and then over time you can explore things but the peptides are interesting they're kind of a you know Middle Ground where you're not risking as much in terms of long-term fertility issues um they're not going to they're not going to give you a ton of acne or something or you know make someone look crazy um like they could if they abuse steroids and women are using them a lot more now because they're milder they don't have these so-called androgenic effects they're not going to deepen The Voice they're not going to create facial hair for women that kind of thing but yeah they certainly work they're banned in sports for a reason although last night I don't want to get beat up by any of the MMA trial but I can look at some I mean some of the athletes are either genetic freaks or they're using in the off season I mean I think I've seen some photos of Conor McGregor now I mean he's big yeah he's big so either he has ridiculous genetics yeah or he's on something listen no shame in that I mean it's his life he can do what he wants yeah um you know there's a runner who ran for Stanford I think still holds the American record for Marathon for fastest U.S Marathon Ryan Hall he was like a stick finished running got out started lifting weights he's a beast looks like something out of a Marvel movie really mostly because he's just eating and dead lifting and squatting now he still runs a little bit but he's not running yeah gazillion miles a week yeah yeah dude yeah so the peptides are interesting but make sure you get a clean Source there's some good sources like tailor-made you need a prescription is a good Pharmacy for peptides these are cleaning because you don't want to go to where the guy you get yours from yeah I mean I can I can definitely I mean I mean I can give up I mean listen there there is a physician who's doing this kind of work online yeah but and it's not illicit you know I mean he'll make you do blood work and that kind of thing yeah but I'll do I do take sermoreline about three to four nights a week you can't take it every night because it has less of an effect um now and then there's this whole landscape of gray Market in the old days we're not doing that [ __ ] yeah in the old days it was the big drug out here um in the club scene was GHB gamma hydroxybutyrate that's increased growth hormone that's what River Phoenix that's the date rape drug right uh that's Rohypnol Rohypnol yeah isn't that GHB GHB uh no GHB stimulates growth hormone release it's a hypnotic and it was big in the club scene and then it became big in the kind of sex club scene um and then when River Phoenix died it became implicated in that and they actually used to be able to buy it at GNC get the [ __ ] yeah but not anymore so they but it turns out River Phoenix you know sadly had a heroin cocaine marijuana alcohol um and GHB in his system which is obviously you know very you know is that poppers what's poppers uh poppers I think were something of I don't know you know what the two drugs that totally disappeared are are Quaaludes and poppers yeah quailers are gone Quaaludes I don't even know what a quaalude is me neither but look fun actual finite Supply from Wolf of Wall Street which I rewatched recently great movie but they're they're gone because people just took them all and it was supposed to I think help you sleep or something but then they found out if you stayed awake past a certain point you got super high and it got fun that sounds like GHB um and remember ketamine used to be a recreational drug right um yeah all these drugs listen if people are gonna explode with a medical doctor I'm not saying that to protect me I'm saying that to protect you being in the audience like you have to these are not things you want a cowboy especially with all the fentanyl stuff happening now is is so crazy I mean you just die the first time that just yeah because I remember growing up they said if you smoke crack once you're gonna be addicted for Life remember that was the public message um it does seem like you can die from fentanyl first time yeah yeah sorry to go dark there but I feel a bunch of comedians yeah yeah really yeah why would they is it true that comedians they thought there was cocaine in the comedy scene I think it was a huge in like the 80s yeah and I think for sure it's still a little bit more in LA and stuff like that cocaine is just like uh or was before this fentanyl stuff it was just a recreational drug I was surprised I mean I'll be honest especially like younger people how often they were using it it was just like every weekend it was like smoking weed drinking alcohol do something I feel like when I went to college there was some people smoked some pots maybe some psilocybin use but it was really just alcohol yeah it wasn't for Santa Barbara it wasn't a big um cocaine scene or heroin scene I'm sure there were pockets of that but I was never exposed to that um well yeah I think that the the peptides thing is interesting um I mean interested in the peptides I'm curious your question before like what are five or six things that you implemented like oh yes daily or weekly routine that you do that you think more people should do okay and we gotta we gotta wrap this one up I think okay yeah so um I want to ask one question I'm not known for being succinct no no yes I love this podcast I listened to it so for me I came here to listen to you guys and then I ended up talking um so okay foundational things get more get sunlight in your eyes in the morning especially on cloudy days as many days of your life as you can and make it a pleasureful thing yeah right just get up and get outside get out on a porch get outside you know take your sunglasses just do it right um uh most days if not every day try and get your sleep right now younger people with different schedules like don't give up a social life but you know try and get a good amount of sleep get good at that some people are great sleepers some people aren't very good idea if you want to be healthy to do three days a week of weight training we're talking about 10 minutes of warm up and 50 to 60 Minutes of working out if you want we have a schedule like that encompasses all this that's on hubertinlab.com you get it free there's nothing to sell here it's just like a fitness tool kit that we have a sleep tool kit all that zero cost you just downloads a PDF three pages so you don't have to listen to me talk yeah then I would say three days a week of resistance training and train your legs guys come on you know like how like come on um and yeah and and three days a week of some cardiovascular work people might say well listen I'm in my 20s or 30s like I'm not worried about it it's not about being worried about a heart attack it's about maintaining blood flow to everything what is some cardiovascular okay so I think one day a week you take a long slow jog or pedal on the bike or treadmill or Swim whatever your favorite thing is if you want to make it social and you're out with somebody you could literally get one like wear a weight vest for a hike if you want to make it harder but um you could skip rope whatever the other cardio day Sprint is real easy find a patch of land Sprint for 30 seconds to 45 seconds then walk back for a minute to 90 seconds Sprint again do that five to ten times till but by the end you will have increased your speed your VO2 max your output and then another day make do something fun like take I got a friend he's a musician I won't name his name he's well known musician he's like really into Pilates right now probably for a bunch of reasons loves Pilates he's like yo I'm loving Pilates in these Pilates some other cardiovascular thing that's kind of fun it could be basketball yeah could be skateboarding like something that you enjoy at least three days a week the other day is a weight train it's not complicated and then one day a week just take off as a recovery day and the way to organize this so that your legs recover in time for the Sprint day and your Sprints are kind of double as a leg day we have an episode on this called toolkit for Fitness you don't have to watch it you will just have our fitness toolkit lays out the schedule exercise selection rest sets all that super easy it's minimal time commitment and listen there are reasons to do it for aesthetic reasons is a reason to do it for heart health reasons this is key okay so sunlight that I think have some tool to be able to control your stress some people are super mellow but some non-pharmaceutical tool the double inhale through the nose the physiological size so big deep inhale through the nose then sneak in a little bit more air then dump all your air with your mouth that's the fastest way to calm down if you're scared of public speaking if you uh you know you're tense about some interaction and listen if I can't bring you on board with that way um let's I'll just be very direct you want to delay orgasm the works for that too because remember orgasm is a increase in the Sim what we call the sympathetic tone of the nervous it's actually kind of like the stress response and then comes the relaxation afterwards so you know sort of like if you need like a an incentive for real well and in the tantric Community they talk about using this type of breathing Tech to for couples to be able to have sex for long periods of time to be able to explore the different forms of of sensual connection so there you go like um physiological jokes well there is something called retrograde you know about the retrograde ejaculation thing right no well this is crazy so the um and I have a story that you have to be careful with this uh not to get too wild with this so there is this thing about um there's a lot on the internet about semen retention and Qi right yeah after orgasm in here we're talking about males and females but for in males after ejaculation there's an increase in the hormone prolactin which makes you very mellow and that sets the refractory period and during that time you're not getting enough other actually you're not having sex again this is why drugs that increase dopamine sometimes are kind of pro-sexual drugs but if people take too much of them then they're just like all gas pedal but they're not relaxed enough to actually get an erection right this is the cocaine thing right so you know sex is a dance between arousal and relaxation right Tantra under excuse me understands that and they try and bring people into kind of a mellow plane where they are controlling all that that rise and fall of of arousal over and over again that's the idea so there is this notion of ret in the from in Asian certain Asian cultures have talked about retaining Chi by instead of allowing semen to leave the body during orgasm they there's a practice of pulling it back in by inhaling and clamping essentially the muscles around the prostate so I have a friend who got really into experimenting with this his wife um it happened to be in the kind of Qigong Community uh was a really interesting you know into Qigong and he did this but he developed terrible prostatitis so you have to be really careful but he was walking around feeling like he had twice as much energy as he ever did before right before he's about to bust he sucks it back in yeah and again you can mess yourself up with this you know that's crazy it's crazy it's crazy seems like the worst idea it seems like yeah exactly uh for some people it's gonna be the worst idea for other people you know you know I'm not I'm not promoting this but there is this notion of retrograde ejaculation do you ever let it out do I personally no no no yeah no no no do you like when you when you retrograde do you ever actually ejaculate they do they recommend they do it like you know like once a week or something like that I mean the yeah um a lot as long as we're on this topic if you do want to get your partner pregnant um stay out of hot tubs and saunas in the 60 days preceding that um 60 days but you can put an ice pack between your legs if you want to mainta you want to keep your your testicles cool there's a reason why the scrotum moves yeah yeah because you keep the uh on us yeah 60 days before trying to conceive yeah and it's not a good form of birth control either because I think plenty of people have been conceived in hot tubs and saunas yeah um I don't know the exact number but let's assume um so the so we got sunlight we gotta don't do it we don't somehow we got to retreated ejaculation we've got sunlight exercise Stress Control through physiological double inhale long exhale through the mouth um try and be a nose breather and not a mouth breather um listen I also think it's a really good idea in addition to seeking good social connection Etc I think it's good to have some practice that makes you more resilient and I'm a big fan of cold showers and I ice baths and cold they have great banyas here in New York and um you know put yourself into uncomfortable cold three or five days a week it's not about the metabolism increase as much as is the mental training of doing something that sucks I mean David Goggins has this right and actually this brings us back to this the the importance of Story I mean David is a guy who just keeps pushing himself and pushing himself to do the hard thing but I think the reason he's so effective as a communicator is because we understand that he had to go through a journey that was incredible from being this 300 plus pound guy to that and he's still doing it so we're like in his story he's still going and so I think all of us would do well to yeah to push ourselves to be uncomfortable and then within the cold what's beautiful is after you get out of the cold and I like to end on warm shower you do a minute or three minutes of a cold or getting the ice bath or whatever it is you get this huge long-lasting surge in dopamine that sets your mood and your positivity for hours and hours this has been shown by data and so I think it's a wonderful tool and it's listen these are basically Zero costumes they take time I wish I had developed these tools in my 20s yeah I built them gradually I've been working out a long time and little things here and there but if you start them early they stay with you and I always think the best way to outperform everybody in your business or at least keep up in very competitive business and Joe Rogan is a beautiful example of this is to take excellent care of your health yeah he's I mean think about three or four four hour podcasts a week plus the comedy thing but it's a superhuman plus UFC you're doing this like people who are really good at their craft invest in taking really good care of themselves and then of course that includes avoid toxic relationships just avoid them they ruin people's lives they'll ruin your life like just do your best to be in healthy relationships and then everything's good and I don't say that lightly like that's a big one I've seen so many people who were doing great but because they got caught up in some drama they just nosedive the whole thing so those are those would be the recommendations there are a bunch of others and I'll keep spouting them out on the internet doctor [ __ ] just saved your life okay you could do all that stuff or you could just go get peptides like the rest of us because we're not gonna give a [ __ ] we're gonna do psilocybin we're gonna smoke weed we're gonna not do Fentanyl but we're gonna definitely do what does it do what was the other one no no no no no salmonella R2D2 retrograde the retrograde we're retrograding we're not nothing anymore it's no nut November December January February it's all no nuts doctors making money in November we're coming to you prostate doctors literally uh okay so I want you to make sure that you go check out humor Miss podcast make sure you check out his website the human Labs as well get all the information right there and follow him on all platforms and go see him lives and go check out the live show yes thanks for coming up absolutely we love the live show that was great I remember he wears the same outfit every time so you get to see that junk thank you so much

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Published: Thu Nov 17 2022