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I mean I knew what I was doing I know how to choke someone out without killing him lawyers what's the worst way you've seen a person screw over someone else in court nasty custody fight the ex-wife was a lawyer and represented herself the ex-husband had a pretty bad lawyer she kept hauling things back to court trying to get more benefits from him and his lawyer just let it keep happening and it was destroying his life allegations of child abuse was taking so much money that he could barely afford a nasty apartment and couldn't afford a car which both figured and later for custody finally the ex-wife's father also a lawyer asked to meet with the judge and mentioned a few things that he knew were going on one of the children was manic-depressive and the ex-wife would take him off his meds before it was the ex-husbands turn for custody the child abuse allegations were from the ex-husband trying to restrain the child during a manic episode because he wasn't medicated the ex-wife had intentionally timed the child abuse allegation to fall just before the holidays so the ex-husband couldn't see the kids for Halloween Thanksgiving Christmas she bragged to family that it would do the maximum emotional damage possible doing it then the ex-wife had forged documents to overstate the ex-husband's income when alimony was being determined oh and the ex-wife was sleeping with the ex-husbands lawyer the ex-husbands lawyer was reported to the bar not sure what happened there the judge ordered a review of everything and arranged for a new lawyer for the ex-husband it was looking like the alimony would be vastly reduced and the ex-husband was going to get custody but then the ex-husband died blood clot two months later years of being screwed over finally saw a light at the end of the tunnel but ended up being the wrong light at the end of the wrong tunnel prosecutor here I showed up for a bond hearing one morning and the defendant asked the judge if he could say something the first words out of his mouth were hey Oh judge look like the reason I hit her was because she disrespect me he did not prevail not my case but still my favorite story dude screwed himself over when he went to jury trial for a burglary charge and wore the same distinct sweatshirt he wore the night he committed the crime kind of hard to argue the guy in the video isn't your client at that point needless to say he was convicted and spent a few years in do see there's a lawyer in my town who has a reputation for being a real male genital he left a very successful firm to go off on his own he and the firm negotiated which clients he would take and how eventual fees from those clients would be divided all seemed fine and dandy as soon as he's out the door he sues his old firm saying the deal is unenforceable and that he should 100% of the fees from the clients who came with him he lost and appealed lost again and appealed to the state Supreme Court where they shut his rectum down end in extremely diplomatic language pretty much called him a male genital not a lawyer but when my father-in-law and mother-in-law got divorced she wanted to file jointly for the previous year because they were still married they would have gotten a decent refund he insisted on filing separately despite the fact that he would owe 4k because he wanted her to also owe the IRS he did it to frost her but more of a case of screwing himself over but here goes this was a case another prosecutor in my office had a few years back thirty year-old defendant was charged with sexual assault of a child after he got his girlfriend's fourteen-year-old sister pregnant she actually kept the baby so the police just waited and got a paternity test no surprise defendant was the father defendant wanted probation preceptor refused to offer it he decided to plead guilty and have a jury trial on punishment here in Texas you can choose to have the jury set punishment evidence mostly proceeded as expected the victim testified to having consensual aside from not being old enough to consent sex with the defendant getting pregnant etc paternity test introduced defendant took the stand his version of events was that he snuck into victims room at night covered her mouth and held her down while he forcibly had sex with her against her will it seemed like his own lawyer had no idea that's the story he settled on the jury deliberated about 15 minutes before returning a verdict of 17 years the maximum possible as charged was 20 when interviewed by the attorneys afterwards them said they decided on 17 years so the defendant would never forget the age of consent in Texas again I had a guy admit to being high on meth when he totaled his car and put himself in the hospital during a probation violation hearing for something completely unrelated the cops picked him up at the hospital when he was discharged then he started mouthing off to the cop about f the judge F probation F the police nobody asked him why he got in the accident for all I knew there weren't even DUI charges against him related to the accident he had just stopped showing up to his probation meetings so a warrant was put out but he was kind enough to run his mouth for five minutes and admit to a bunch of things he shouldn't have admitted to when asked if I wanted to make any closing remarks I said something like no your honor the record is crystal clear why the state is requesting mr. defendant to have his sentence reinstated and she gave one of those Amen kind of looks I've seen a parent use non-existent discipline as a tool to win over their teenage child so that the child will choose to live with said rubbish parent and rubbish parent will receive child support from the other parent it boils my blood seeing someone allowing their fifteen year old child to drop out of school get high every day buy them drugs alcohol just about every negative thing you could do to a kid just so they don't have to pay $100 in child support a month child support amounts in my jurisdiction are relative based upon the paying parenting situation income schooling assets etc they were deadbeats part-time under the table seasonal employment and government welfare another unfortunate part of the whole ordeal was the party that was losing their child were stand-up people who worked meaning that since they weren't deadbeats and reported their income the child support payments they had to make to the deadbeat was in the realm of $1,000 one time I saw an indigent defendant who was in custody tell the judge his public defender wasn't working hard enough and he wanted the judge to appoint different counsel the judge asked him what specifically was the problem and he said I don't want a female lawyer I need a man who can take charge and fight for me or something very similar to that the judge also female said that's not how it works then he's starting yelling and getting into space about his public defender just mainly I don't like her she won't visit me etc the judge is annoyed and looks at him and is like fine I'll appoint another attorney for you but because you are not satisfied with your attorney and I need time to appoint you new counsel I am not going to hear any other issues today and will reset your case a few days later the judge sends defendant notice of his new appointed attorney who happens to also be female and notice of the case reset for six weeks the case was originally set for a bond hearing and the DA and his PD had agreed to release him on an unsecured bond meaning he would have gotten out that day if he hadn't thrown his temper tantrum instead he waited another six weeks in jail just to have another female attorney represent a wife filed for a restraining order because she wanted the house during divorce husband has good a job like 200 K per year employer finds out about restraining order husband is fired he was very specialized employee so only the job he can find close to to house ex-wife and daughter is 50k house gets foreclosed child supported less than $500 per month wife has to get job as waitress four cars get repossessed was involved in a custody case where a wife cheated on her husband and had a child as a result she let husband believe the child was his until she was about five years old and they were divorcing to stop him from getting custody she convinced the biological father to try to get custody thinking that if he won she would wind up with a child became a huge three-way fight multiple sets of grandparents involved attorneys fees skyrocketed because the case would have been pretty quick otherwise she couldn't pay her attorney try to get the bio dad to got even Messier etc basically there still isn't an agreement all parties will follow they are in and out of court every year or so she screwed herself this wasn't my case but followed it closely because it was an acquaintance's divorce proceedings he and his now ex-wife shared some commercial property that was worth some dough they were both on the paperwork access to the same info well some poop hit the fan and the property was in arrears and I think some lien was filed the husband would try to talk to his then-wife about the whole thing and she would blow him off not only would she ignore him in the finances she started cheating on him fast-forward to divorce it's contentious and they get down to fighting for the primary residence whose market value unencumbered is much less than the commercial building she demanded the house and the husband effectively offered to give her the commercial building if he could keep the residence she never paid attention to how bad off the commercial building was and for some strange reason her lawyer didn't do any due diligence so they took the deal I don't know if the asset allocation included any saving conditions or caveats for the ex-wife but I did like to see that her own disinterest may have led to bargaining for an underwater property instead of a paid off house I have been in dispute with British Gas for around ten years every now and again they take me to court every time I win and we go away for another few years the last time I lawyer it up it's Anna Magistrates even though it's a civil matter my solicitor waited for the British Gas guy to swear his oath to tell the truth the whole truth etcetera then asked him what he knew of the previous court cases when the guy said he didn't know anything about them my solicitor ripped into him saying he'd just claimed to tell the whole truth so clearly nothing he says can be trusted it went on for a few minutes it was kind of brutal the magistrates agreed and we walked away with six hundred pounds and costs it was a joy to watch this bloke who is all we're coming to make entry to your house and the police will help before we went and be told to sit down and not say anything else unless he was asked a question to fend off some of the questions it's to do with a disconnected mirror at my house for electric to a closed shop I have written to the CEO I've had my MP involved and been to court four times British Gas don't change don't listen so I've given up I'll just go to court every now and again and claim my six hundred pounds not a lawyer but this story always gets me my biological grandmother died 20 years ago of ovarian cancer she left all her money trusts and bonds to my grandfather to use while alive and his purse after death my grandfather remarried something like fifteen years ago to my step grandma my grandfather ended up dying first a few years back my step aunt is a greedy witch she lives on the opposite side of the country she's lived off of her mother and my and father for all of her life she'd come over and take them on vacation where she'd used their money to buy herself things and get a free skiing trip about eight times a year after my grandfather passed my step grandma had to move where her children live to get care for dementia my step head has access to not only her own mother's estate but my grandfather's as well to take care of her needs that wasn't enough she decided to try and sue my dad and uncle for their dead biological mother's estate my dad is bilaterally paralyzed and in a wheelchair my uncle is a triple bypass survivor with a pacemaker in multiple stints both are on fixed disability income the court date came and I literally wield my dad and while my uncle walked with a cane my step head is entirely able-bodied and rolling in the millions my step grandma and grandfather worked their whole lives to earn the judge took one look at the whole picture and she was absolutely denied access to my biological grandmother's estate we were there for less than an hour there was a case going on in my town between a father and son that was hilarious the dad is a big-time personal injury attorney around here who started his own firm under his name George sink and his son ended up joining the family business well they had a falling-out so the son goes off to start his own firm he has his dad's name so the dad is suing the son for using the name he gave him to start his own law firm not a lawyer legal assistant my attorney is pretty old so he needs me to help him find papers and stuff in the courtroom so I go over for all domestic and criminal cases we had a custody case where the mom was already screwed because she was literally picked up by a bounty hunter while the dad was there getting their daughter for visitation anyway dad's new wife gets on stand and testifies that the mom the defendant threatened to blow their house up mom gets on stands and says I didn't threaten to blow your house up I threatened to blow you up judge was just smiling I remembered another one had a criminal client who choked his wife out told the investigator I mean I knew what I was doing I know how to choke someone out without killing him had a criminal jury trial for misdemeanor criminal mischief over four years ago state filed charges and kept amending the information to the point where they left the actual victim out of the and proceeded with the two eyewitnesses well one of the witnesses was my clients ex and the other witness was the ex's new girlfriend they claimed my client vent alized the actual victims car client denied everything well apparently the state and both witnesses had no idea that the ex had outstanding warrant for not paying child support to my client which created a motive for him to lie I asked him if he was aware that he had a warrant out for his arrest on the stand he didn't know the judge excused the jurors the bailiffs arrested the ex on the stand state rested judge granted our motion for judgment of acquittal because we a good case law for the victim not being their client walked away free and the ex went to jail the guy and his lawyer missed court appearances sometimes one of them sometimes both with little or no warning and with suspect excuses it started getting ridiculous and we kept pointing out holes in his story like he said he left for another country without knowing about the appearance but his lawyer stood in court and said he told him beforehand were all of a sudden he was in a former Soviet bloc country for fertility treatments and it would ruin everything if he came back now or when he was visiting dying relatives on another continent or he was going to the airport when he had to rush to the hospital and showed us an admitting form in another language that we translated it showed he was there but also that he was discharged he also tried firing his attorney and saying he needed more time to brief a new attorney who at the next appearance would say he hasn't been able to talk to his client so he needs to adjourn or that he hasn't been paid in his client is basically a butthole and he needs to be relieved we kept saying to the judge he was doing it to stall but the judge kept giving him the benefit of the doubt we even showed him other cases where he skipped appearances and the judges threatened sanctions until finally he didn't show up for an appearance where the judge had specifically told him I don't care if your meeting with the Pope I'm ordering you to be here boom his answer was stricken default judgment in full was granted to our side neither him nor his lawyer showed up for the hearing where the judge determined exactly how much of a judgement we should get and then had the nerve to file a motion that the judgment was unfair because he didn't get a chance to dispute anything my dad is an executive safety officer at the company he works at and one of the company's truck drivers got into an accident the driver wasn't at fault but it is company policy any time a driver gets into an accident they drug test them on the same day and when the results came back the guy failed the test the guy disputed the results so they had him retake it when he finishes up in the testing facilities bathroom the sample he gives them isn't warm at all clearly hadn't just come out of a person and in the bathroom which they meticulously cleaned between each test they find a strip of tape and like a little violin cap thing that would have went on to a small vial kind of container so my dad has to be on a conference call with the driver and his manager and some other relevant parties and the guy maintains his innocence and they can't like conclusively prove the tape or cap means he cheated the test so they're kind of at an impasse as they're getting off the call my father just kind of takes a shot and asks the driver really nonchalantly and in passing say doesn't taping the vial to your leg hurt like how do you get it off and the guy replies without missing a beat oh no it was just painters tape comes off easy didn't hurt at all there was like five seconds of dead air after that before the guy scrambled and tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube the company was able to fire him without any trouble not a lawyer but this happened to my family my husband's kids asked us to fight for full custody after years of systemic abuse from their mom my stepdaughter was sexually assaulted and mom decided to marry a guy who was best friends with the guy who assaulted her mom never told us what happened never got her counseling never reported it to the police in mediation she brought up a conversation I had with her which she denied ever happening until then she started saying lie after lie and all my husband had to say was my wife had that conversation with you to explain how uncomfortable my daughter is living with this man because he is connected to her sexual assault the mediator was not amused she said you have someone living in your house who is connected to your daughter's assault your relationship with your children is broken she spent the rest of the session sobbing and signed away custody because this was just the tip of the iceberg that we had on her and she knew it hearing her sobbing made me so happy after all she put these kids through I had to walk my stepdaughter into the police station to report her sexual assault I usually don't want people to suffer but after warning her this guy was coming between her and her kids and then her lying about the context of that conversation I'll make an exception I tried to stop her from the chain of events that lead us to court and she tried to use it against me not my case but my dad's he was the equivalent of a public defender decades ago there was this guy that would get caught for being drunk in public public lewdness etc every weekend he seemed to draw the same judges and was pretty well known to everyone in the courthouse as an absolute lost cause one of the regular judges had him appear in his court again the judge is ready to give him a prison sentence because he was driving a car this time but the guy starts crying that he finally got a job out of town and was trying to turn his life around judge tells him as long as he never makes a mistake in his town again he would just drop the charges well sure as hell the guy shows up the following Monday same judge driving drunk again my dad now has his case the judge tells him he gave him his final chance to which the guy sobs and replies I was leaving town Your Honor but my friends decided to throw me a going-away party the judge was not amused my dad had to do everything he could to not laugh not a lawyer but my dad is a physician and is sometimes called as a professional witness in cases of malpractice in one memorable case a family was suing a doctor for something fairly frivolous and my dad was a witness for the defense the lawyer representing the family was cross-examining my dad and brought up a chapter in a medical textbook and asked my dad to read a highlighted paragraph he does and the lawyer says something to the effect of so what you just read means blah blah medical thing my dad confidently replied no it does not mean that lawyer no but if you read XYZ the author clearly states bla bla medical thing dad no really that's not what the author means lawyer how do you know that's not what the author meant dad well because I wrote it judge basically face bumped while the lawyer mimicked a goldfish and stared at the author name on the chapter basically the best moment of my dad's professional life yes rule was in the defendants favor I was a very new lawyer with no bankruptcy experience a partner sent me to bankruptcy court to try to make a claim as a creditor related to a 50 million dollar building that was being sold time and lack of knowledge will prevent me from accurately describing everything that went down but I will do my best the court handled my clients claim very quickly and easily at first the court ruled we were not a creditor because her claim was against a tenant which was correct note we had purchased the claim from someone merely to try to somehow wedge our way into buying the property which was very transparent to the court so I could just set back for the remainder of the hearing and watch the two premier bankruptcy attorneys go at it one represented the debtor in the owner of the building the other represented a secured creditor with a lien against the building they absolutely hated each other on a personal level and we're arguing with great venom about the plan to sell the real estate there was a small break in the action while the judge took care of another matter when we came back the secured creditor attorney told the court the following his client the creditor had purchased controlling interest in the debtor the owner of the building he had been directed to fire the other attorney he had been directed to withdraw the motion to sell the real estate he then did both there in the courtroom I have practiced for almost three decades it was the coolest thing I had ever seen and was particularly noteworthy because the courtroom was packed with other attorneys watching and those two attorneys absolutely hated each other I am being sparse on details here due to confidentiality but I had a client who was accused of a very nasty sexual offense he had an alibi he was at work where he was the boss he had an employee who could absolutely vouch for his being there I talked to the employee employee confirmed this it gets closer to the trial and around the time when I need to send in an alibi notice which is advance notice to the crown so that they can investigate the alibi and determine whether or not it's true but I am being careful so I called the employee up again turns out my client fired him in the interim and so the employee quite candidly tells me oh yeah he was definitely at work but that's not what I'll say in court if that guy he is going down I did not call him as a witness or filed the alibi notice still won the trial but if I hadn't thought to call the guy or if he'd been less candid my client would have been messed up Hart sex offender registry jail time the works completely innocent too many criminal clients situations to count of them screwing themselves over one of the very few family law cases I handled as a young attorney sticks out to me though young woman and young man have child young woman seeks divorce from young man because he enjoys the thug life he had recently been arrested and charged for possession and distribution of meth felony and in possession of a firearm unlawful carry young man doesn't like her leaving him he hires a local big-name top divorce attorney granted very royal area gets temp divorce order entered saying she cannot have overnight guests of the opposite sex common in rural conservative areas think it's mostly a thing of the past in more urban places young woman starts seeing someone new young man is very upset about this has his fancy lawyer asked for a hearing accusing her violating court order and seeking full custody on top of attorney fees young woman on advice from a mutual friend hires me for this hearing I sit down with opposing counsel and she basically tries to strong-arm me with her experience and lays out egregious terms mother must not only give up primary custody but must have visitation with a supervisor and pay child support and attorney fees she knows I'm a new baby attorney in town fairly certain I had been licensed for less than a year I Balkan she says she'll see us in court I go into hearing with a copy of his probation arrangement on his pause with intent to sell and unlawful carry he hasn't told his attorney about this and she is unaware she calls him up establishes how my client had her new boyfriend over on X Y Z nights judge is very conservative not pleased then opposing counsel passes the witness I asked him if he has a job no what do you do for money things here and there Oh Ms opposing counsel is awfully expensive do you sell meth what have you ever sold drugs to make ends meet oh no introduce a copy of his guilty plea and straight probation sent to thing judge is now staring daggers at him I lean over to my clients sitting next to me and whisper if you took a drug test today be honest would you be completely clean yes I asked the young man when was the last time you did math attorney objects but judge overrules I know this judge will drug test people on the spot as he is also the misdemeanor drug court judge it's been years I'm clean so if you were tested you'd be clean yes opposing counsel asks the same of my client we agree judge has them both tested he tests positive for meth my client is clean judge denies his motion and asks me to send in new temp orders where young man is required to maintain employment and start paying child support and places him unsupervised visits icing on the cake opposing counsel actually calls me and leaves me a voicemail congratulating me on and I quote handing her butt to her for the first time in a long time well not my story but a prior boss's story they had a drunk driver kills a car worth of people case at the time when there were a general practitioner my boss was representing the family that got hit one were the two kids and the wife had died but the father had not and wanted the college guys drunk driving skin to be mounted on a wall this was back before Facebook was commonly used in court proceedings and before tons of people realized that this is too great for any attorney worth their weight in salt to pass up so the kid drunk driving college kid had managed to get the judges sympathy during the first part of the hearing by saying he was sorry haunted never going to drink again this was going to ruin his life etc the judge seemed to really be eating it up then comes my boss and immediately burns this kid's remorse to the ground by showing numerous facebook statuses and photos of them binge drinking partying and even joking about driving drunk from the date of the accident up until a night ago the kid looked like he was being forced to swallow hot coals and the judge was absolutely livid needless to say the kid had to do way more than just apologize and be remorseful after that lady brought a frivolous case to get out of a contract she signed she lost then sued the attorney and the witnesses for conspiring against her they got her case dismissed and an award of tourney's fees which she refused to pay lawyer recorded it as a lien on her house and scheduled a foreclosure sale which caused her mortgage Lander to declare a default and accelerate entire mortgage balance lawyer made a side deal with Lander to pay them all proceeds of the sale and then sold her house on courthouse steps to highest bidder and then arranged for sheriff to forcibly eject her onto the street with her stuff she's homeless now short story honor your contracts and don't sue your lawyer when you don't a witness for the plaintiff in a civil suit who is a coworker of the plaintiff testified very strongly against the company and in favor of the plaintiff I questioned her about bias toward the plaintiff if they knew each other well were friends etc she said no just friendly co-workers work friends at best I pinned her to it when I got a chance to cross-examine the plaintiff she had no choice but to burn her witness's credibility because no only were they very close friends but they had become sisters-in-law just a few years before no they did not have the same last name or anything but I had done my homework I still don't get why people wanted to fight small bias by destroying their credibility but it happens more than you'd think I am in court for one of the first times after passing the bar exam and handling a routine child support case the events that transpired do not involve my client from that day when one party is unrepresented in family court in Massachusetts there is a pre-trial meeting with the probation officers so they can assist the judge in framing the case these probation officers are trained social workers who act as mediators in these instances so nothing like criminal probation officers so these two parties are meeting you can see the guy is just angry over everything but they are making progress working out the divorce then all of sudden he stands up and throws his chair over and yells fu Kim you took my house you took my kids you even took my [ __ ] dog I will kill you if you think you are keeping my name to UF and which within seconds he is restrained by court guards and escorted to a private room he ended up being arrested for threatening to kill her all because she wanted to keep his last name instead of going back to her maiden name to make it easier on the kids the judge ended up moving forward that day with their case and she got everything she wanted him being arrested for disorderly conduct during the pre-trial meeting was held to be as fault for missing the pre-trial conference which means unmask the judge can dissolve the marriage that day if one party is present and the other is not thanks for listening to radio TTS hit the like button if you 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