Ken Shamrock | Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson

why do you think we we love fighting so much i think it's because we're good at it we want something from it yeah yeah it gives us something we want something from a gift of status it's the beginning of this time the strongest man in the world achilles since the since achilles everybody wanted to be the toughest man in the world king of the hill yeah [Music] here we go [Music] what's up everybody welcome to another episode of hot boxing i am evan britton and i'm mike tyson mike we got a great guest a legend yes the champion from the beginning one of the og's ken shamrock well thank you very much man hey listen i'm honored to be sitting at the table here did you start the lions then i did or wow take us to that yeah it's uh i remember when i was going over to japan uh they hadn't started it here um the bare knuckle no rules it hadn't started so when i went over and actually saw this this um videotape of what these guys were doing because one of my students had actually showed it to me and said hey look what these guys are doing over there and i was looking at i was going wow i mean they're literally punching like open hand strikes and then they're kicking and ning and then when they went to the ground they were like doing all these like leg locks and arm bars and i was like what is that i mean i never saw anything like that before you either were a striker or you were a wrestler and at that time i was more of a wrestler and so i saw that i said i don't want to do that so i got with a friend of mine who was doing pro wrestling his name was dean malenko great shooter great wrestler so he introduced me to his dad which had sammy saranaca who was the promoter for japan uh in florida and so i flew out there to do a tryout and my tryout consisted of fighting four different guys in the gym they weren't from japan they were american guys that were already going over there and where i came from i came from group home in the streets and kind of grew up rough and so for me fighting was a natural thing for me so when i went into the gym i basically did dirty boxing and and wrestled him the ground and just beat the snot out of these guys who were supposedly these trained guys from japan i was like i felt i felt pretty good like wow okay well then sammy calls me i'm saying hey how'd you like to come to japan and and um and uh you know visit our facilities like i said yeah sounds good so i go down there and i remember when i walked into the dojo right after i got off the plane they picked me up it's a 12-hour flight they picked me up they drive me to the dojo and they said okay gear up and i was like huh i was like oh now he's like yeah i gear up so i said all right so i put my gear on and i'm standing there warming up and these two young boys come in and he says okay uh go with the you know this young boy and so i go with him and i pretty much dominated him just beat him up i was about 20 minutes or so so he puts in the other young boy and he's like okay go with him so cool so i go with him and i'm i'm feeling pretty cocky right now so i get in i start thumping him i'm gonna throw him around boom boom boom and he says okay good well as i'm sitting there these other two guys walk in and these two guys that i see now are masa katsu funaki and menorah suzuki the two guys that i saw on the tape fighting and i was like that's those dudes there and i was like what are they doing here well come to find out they were going to be there for me sammy goes hey you still got more in you of course me i never turned down a fight i was like yeah i'm good so he throws 12 hours on a plane two sparring matches already but i mean i literally did handle these guys and i think those guys weren't there to really shoot on me even though i probably could have beat them because they were young boys but i think they were there just just to kind of warm me up those two guys walked in to see whether or not i would go ahead and go with them after i was tired a little bit because this was all a test so i was like yeah let's go well the first guy comes in it's menorah suzuki he's probably 180 pounds maybe five nine so he's a smaller guy i'm going about 220 right and i'm benching 605 i'm a strong guy i'm you know i got wrestling background i got boxing a little bit dirty boxing i was like yeah i'll squash this guy so we get going and i take him down i slam him on top of him and next thing i know i wake up whoa i'm like uh did i win he's standing above me going hey he's handing his hand out to me and he's saying something japanese i'm like what happened so he goes you say he goes you want to go some more and i was go yeah of course i'm thinking what just happened to me so i get down and i start wrestling again next thing i know i'm he's got me in his leg luck and it hurts but yet i'm fighting like a dog just trying to get out and sammy's going tap you know how to tap and i'm looking at what what what are you saying like remember nobody knows what tapping is nobody understands what that is no one said hey we're playing uncle they said fight so i was like i don't know what that is i don't know what that means and he says mary if it hurts especially in training just tap the mat and he'll he'll let go so he tells me after about five minutes this guy torquing on my leg and i'm like trying to fight to get out and i'm not showing any pain it's hurting right he's going if it hurts tap i was like what so i tap the guy beats me up literally just thrashes me 180 pound guy for 20 25 minutes so i after he gets done he's okay good and he says uh you ready to go a little bit more and of course me and i says absolutely i'm not going to quit i'm not giving up man so here comes fennake now finaki's about six foot six one about 205 pounds so he's much bigger and i'm thinking oh my goodness this little guy just killed me and i saw those two guys fighting and he won so i said bring it so i went after him too the same thing i just got beat up just tortured and so after it was over sammy goes okay you good and i said no we go some more got somebody else and i was beat up but i just i felt like man i i wanted to do more because i felt like i let myself down i let everybody else down and i just wanted to try to try to prove myself even more but he said no no it's good and i said are you sure man i could do more because i thought like i blew it and he's no no it's good good good well they send me home and i get a call like a month later and the whole time i'm thinking i blew it man these guys don't like me well he calls me back and said how would you like to fight and i was like yes absolutely he says why don't you come up to japan for a little while and we'll train you and get you prepared for the fight and so i flew up six weeks before the fight that we were supposed to have and i remember training every single day i spent my whole day in there it was like a dojo they fed me those guys slept there but i slept somewhere else but i end up staying there from six in the morning till six at night and i constantly trained every day with the young boys when i had my fight i won my first fight now the whole thing on that was what sammy was trying to find out was which is do you have the heart of a warrior do you have the ability to never give up and not quit that's what they were looking for and that's how i actually structured my dojo because it didn't matter how much skill you had it didn't matter how good you were how athletic you were what it mattered to them and to me was whether or not you had the mentality of never giving up and always fighting to be better and that's literally where i got it from it's the fighter spirit the warrior spirit yeah that's what it's all about you've talked about that much what it's all about you know some of these guys don't even look like much you know they look really skinny guys look they wear glasses you know they never curse then they get in the ring they beat the [ __ ] out of you yeah it's just it doesn't have to do with the something with the mind it's something with the brain because some people are almost like they never talk they're introverts and they're great fighters you know i was just like i mean you look at suzuki when he came in i mean he was i mean he was a small guy he was five nine 180 pounds he did not look like much but boy did i find out different because listen when you were in the ufc there was no weight limit no man oh i can remember though your fee might have been fighting a guy 80 pounds heavier right yeah 100 pounds yeah i mean over 300 pound dudes in there it was awesome too because you think about it man it was literally style against style yeah did you ever fight dan severant i did i fought him twice yeah i beat him the first time and then the second time we went to a distance that's when he was running right he was running around yeah that was the 907 his but that was the worst fight in ufc history and i was a part of that fight partially blamed for that fight it was bad it was bad did he just not want to fight no it wasn't him i think it was a little both of us severing him came in because the first time i fought him i choked him out quickly so the second time he came in he had the strategy of like okay i'm not gonna shoot on him he's gonna stay around the outside and make me attack him the only problem with that was that before that i had broken my nose in training and i fractured a little rib and i also had a meniscus tear on my knee so going into that fight obviously i couldn't back out of the fight and they took away that was the time where they actually came in and said if you punch we're gonna arrest you like it's illegal you can't do that and uh just two weeks prior to that over the border there in canada they literally arrested the main event because they told them the same thing and they went ahead and punched well the ufc came in and said oh yeah we'll we'll we're gonna find you guys at our leisure so in other words they were basically saying we'll warn you a couple times 10 times and then we'll find you after that so really what they were doing was saying go ahead and do it we'll abide by the rules but we'll do it through warnings and things of that nature well i chose not to do that i chose not to punch because i had a group home for kids i was teaching kids you can accomplish anything you want in life as long as you stay within the rules you can push the boundaries a little bit but stay with the rules you will be able to accomplish whatever you want in life go get it and then i was asked and put in that situation to where i was told that it was okay to break the rules because even though they were laid down it was okay to do that because we weren't going to do anything other than find you or not find you but warn you several times even though there will be no fine on the end of it and i just felt like that in my position and what i was representing at the time with those kids that i was sending the wrong message to those kids that were young and that they were up and coming and trying to find where they belonged in life and how they were going to live life that i just didn't want to represent that so i chose not to strike and unfortunately because i chose that and because of the way the fight was not that it was dan's fault either because he had a strategy of not losing because if i got him on the ground i'd beat him so he was hoping that i would come in on him and he would get top position and uh because of the the different natures of where he was at and where i was at that's the kind of fight we had it was oh interesting yes very interesting now you guys have met before you guys are old friends yes absolutely i thought that wasn't your last fight with gracie was that your last fight song was in norfolk virginia somewhere no you mean the one where he lifted my nuts into my throat oh no kicked them in the ball yeah and the ref didn't see it oh wasn't that what was that in virginia right oh man where was that one at uh norfolk no i don't even remember that was that um was that norfolk i thought it was yeah i don't remember was that because i'm still trying to find my nuts [Laughter] that was a tricky one yeah he had him here too hoist was here right yeah yeah yeah here's the thing with hoist man what uh what's your beef with him there's really no beef there you know i mean i'm the kind of guy that just you know i i get into a fight i get in people's houses i'm talking about personalities you know i i have character i have a certain thing that i follow when a guy at least i would and i think most fighters would when you hit somebody in the nuts and you know you did you don't go well that's the way we used to fight i was like what it's like now you're saying you did it on purpose and then not have any remorse about it right literally just go like oh well that's you know oh well it happened uh that's the way we used to fight he should have been ready for and i was like dude you have so much uh credibility in this sport so much people want to honor you for because of what he's done in the sport and then you have that kind of character where you're like oh yeah um that's just the way it is i i and then not wanna like literally fight me again like i said dude that was a low blow let's do a rematch and literally he doesn't want the rematch because in my opinion the only reason why he hit me low was because he knew he didn't want to be in the ring with me and that's the rivalry i think that union had a rivalry yes it was a rivalry yeah no question and this you can't take anyway anything that guy's done was tremendous but man just uh for for that's interesting yeah to have that kind of manual brass to be able to sit there and and accept the fact you need some of the nuts and that's okay with you that that that bothers me yeah that bothers me yeah that makes sense it makes sense who's the greatest fighter you ever fought i would probably have to say uh masakatsu fanaki uh he helped train me and so for me to fight him and be my trainer and be able to beat him that right there was really when it told me that you know okay i'm getting where i need to be to be a professional fighter uh his his uh his ceiling was my floor and um that's a sign of a true teacher somebody that really wants you to succeed and so i was able to do that and so when i fought in the first time man it was it was tough because almost like he knew he was already in my head like he knew where i was going all the time that's awesome awesome talk a little bit about where you grew up and where you come from because i know that's that's really so much of the dna of your fighting spirit yeah i was uh i was born in georgia um in macon uh and i was at warner robins hospital and my biological mother uh was a go-go dancer of course you know in those days stripper dancer and we were left home quite a bit i have two older brothers one's doing life in prison right now the other one's you know surviving they went in some bad directions just as i did as a young kid and fighting all the time you know 10 years old i had strong arm robbery um got stabbed behind a store in you know in a fight end up in a hospital with a knife in my arm and 10 years old i was a ward of the court uh became uh my parents became the judge and the probation officer i went through several placements very angry very frustrated hated the world anybody that said anything to me i would fight him at a drop of a hat no matter how big or small they were i just had no thought of what i was doing i just wanted to kill something i wanted to fight somebody i just want to release that anger and that frustration i had inside of me and so i went through several placements and unconsciously i was searching for something better because all these other homes i went to it just felt like i was a number i wasn't a person they weren't like treating me as an individual they didn't care what my problems were they just said hey do your time we'll send you home but yet they weren't trying to fix me like they weren't trying like what's that going to do that's not going to help me but unconsciously i didn't know that i just knew i wanted something better i'd failed a bunch of them i ended up in in juvenile hall i remember the probation house came to me and said hey this is your last chance if you fail this placement you're going to go to california youth authority and i was like oh wow i mean i'm 10 years old right okay what big deal right you're gonna give me three squares and three squares a meal and i'll hang out with my friends right that wasn't even a threat didn't think anything of it so i ended up going to the shamrock boys home after failing all those different placements i was probably around 13 years old at the time i entered the shamrock boys home my original last name was kilpatrick i ended up there and the first thing i noticed was that when bob shamrock took in i was with two other boys that the probationary officers brought us up and he sat down and he literally sent the probation officer off with some coffee and some cookies with our cook that was there and he talked to us i mean like that never had use they sent us off and they talked to probation officer well he sat us down into this bar and it had like coke and cookie and ice creams all this thing in this bar thing and it was like i mean we walked into this house it was a mansion and i was like dude this is the wrong house and i literally thought to myself when i walked into this place i was i don't belong here like this i can't live here i'm not wearing a tie at dinner i'm not gonna you know everything was weird to me it was like there's what's the catch and uh so when i got there i was really defensive and in fact in my mind i felt like i was gonna run away steal everything as much as i could and i would run away sell it and you know how how as young people think that we can make the money last so i was thinking about all these other things that i could steal and run away but something just kept me there and it was just more i think it was more curiosity what's the deal now remember as i stayed there longer and longer the things that were happening were i remember there was this kid who was a great artist he went to school and he was more introvert like i was outward i want to beat people up everything you knew you could see well some of them were like smoking weed or they were into drugs or they were into rapping or singing they were more inward right and they would let it out through art or whatever else singing or whatever else right well me it was through violence and uh so here's this kid like he goes to school and he's going to continuation school and he draws this picture in school where he was like killing all these people he's standing on top of the bodies and literally with his blood everywhere and it said kill them all and so the teachers freaked out oh my goodness this kid's sick and they sent him home well when he gets home i remember my my my mom looked at the picture and she goes wow that's good because it was really a good pic drawing i mean it was really good very talented wow but what was on the picture was like disturbing right but she saw through that because he was releasing something but she saw the talent and so she said after multiple discussions with them said you know you can take an hour we had a study hour an hour study hour you could take that hour and that you can literally draw whatever you want to draw but part of that hour i want you to draw an addition onto this house so take that time we want this this and this but the other time you can draw what you want whatever you want so he draws this edition and it comes out like beautiful she says well how are you going to build it he's like what do you mean he says well where are the specs i mean how far is the measurements to where when where and the kid goes uh uh so she says well you know why don't you go figure that out so literally put somebody with him to help him actually understand the architect part of that of that drawing that kid went on to college and became an architect right only because somebody saw the talent in his aggression and anger well same thing happened to me right i mean i was outward with it my father her adopted father bob shamrock put me in sports he put me in football yeah and i remember man the first time i hit somebody in a in a practice i hit him so hard he was blowing snot bubbles i mean i am hard you're like [ __ ] yeah i mean i they gave me a plastic helmet plastic shoulder pads and i just i just like ah and i just hit people and people thought i was on crack drugs because i was so intense i became relevant because i was good at something before that i was a punk kid that was going to die before i was 18. now all of a sudden i got coaches helping me with my homework making sure i get good grades i got teachers that are helping me i'm i'm i'm dating the head cheerleader yeah girls think about that like here i was everybody would look at me like i was weird and i had to play to where now all of a sudden i was important oh because i was good at a sport and i i literally latched onto that i said okay this is my way out and i latched on to that and i became a football player and a wrestler i got scholarships and here's the thing right i mean everybody goes through some sort of sort of adversity i remembered after i was there four years i was a senior i had the world by the balls i mean literally i was it one instant it was taken away i walked into the wrestling room i already played football i had a great season i walk into wrestling i was undefeated that season had not been beaten i walked in there for the after the season qualifying for state i walk in that mats are not taped together nobody's there i got people to come in and help me we start practicing and rolling around nothing's put together right we just rolled the mats out so we start wrestling and coach says you better take him down i want to do walls which is conditioning drill because i was kind of goofing off and i remember in one moment i took a step went to take him down i slipped kid fell on top of me kid was probably about 200 205 pounds i was probably 170 pounds broke my neck whoa boom done i'm laying there on the ground he's saying get up get up and i'm getting up but i ain't moving and then literally about 30 seconds in i'm like i can't move 30 minutes later i'm snapped together in a star wars board put a clamp on me pick me up put me in the ambulance they take me to reading california right then they told me i broke my neck i was like okay how long am i out for it's like doctor's like um you broke your neck i said oh i heard that how long am i out now i'm not moving they got me clamped down he's like uh let me look at the x-rays and i'll get back to you well he pulls my dad aside wasn't my dad then but he pulls him aside and he explains to him what the deal is and you never play contact sports again you know he's gonna have to think about some other things and so he comes in he starts to explain it to me and i remember thinking to myself wait a minute i didn't do anything wrong why wha why is this happening wait what this this camp only reason why i am where i'm at right now is because i was good at something and you're telling me i can't do that say no no no no no that's not possible that can't happen and he's literally my dad says listen you can lay there and pout or you can get up and do something about it and i was like he's right now i took it different than the way he meant it but i was like yeah he's right how's this doctor telling me what i can't do he doesn't know me he has no idea what i'm willing to do to get to where i want to go he doesn't know me so he can't tell me i can't do this and i literally in my mind as soon as i got out of the hospital i remember i had this halo on this metal brackets attached to my chest went through my bone my hip in my bone and infused it in my front of my neck here and i remember i tore the bolts out in my head twice because i was working out one time and i got in a fight another time with a halo on i tore the bolts out of my head i mean i just it was i had this mentality like you can't tell me i can't do something because if it's something i really want i'm gonna do it all right who was it that you saw you said that was a bad i said yeah i'm gonna be something like that it has been somebody you saw that you said he ain't taking [ __ ] from nobody nobody talks to him any kind of way but respects him i want to be like that well i to be honest with you um it wasn't uh a role model it was more of a concept exactly i understand yeah it was a concept because the way i grew up was i watched how the gangs worked and i watched how the guys in power worked and i thought to myself i ain't nobody's punk and um i'm gonna i'm gonna get to the top of the food chain in that world because that's how it's gonna be run the baddest guy the toughest guy the smartest guy that's what i wanted obviously as things progressed and i started seeing how the real world works that wasn't the case i knew those guys were punks everybody's going to bend over and get their ass checked when they went into prison so nobody was nobody was that tough nobody was that bad nobody was that much power so i really realized that early on and then i thought more like the sports industry was like okay now i see where the power is at you be good at something really good at it and now you have the power i literally watched you fight and i remembered the eye contact i remembered the confidence i remember beating fighters before you ever walked into the ring if you watch my fights over in japan and you watch them really closely that's how i entered my fights was that i wanted to make sure that the guy that i was fighting knew i was going to fight him knew i was going to hurt him and knew i was going to destroy him and when i looked at him in the eyes after all the other stuff i said and did that he looked straight into my eyes knew i was confident that i was going to hurt him and a lot of that stuff i got from you when you were fighting when you walked into the ring a lot of that stuff i picked up from you so for me it was about winning the fight before i ever walked into the ring that was bruce lee winning the fight before without fighting yeah you know i mean that was his philosophy yeah yeah art of war yeah and it's true because you can destroy people's minds before they ever get to the ring fighting without fighting yeah you know this episode of hot boxing is brought to you by manscape the best of men below the waist groom and manscape offers precision engineers tools for your family jewels they are obsessed with the giving you the best trim for below your rim get 20 off free trust me shipping with code 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sternum and then it came as it stretched it came back down wham and it just it stuck there and it literally was just i mean you're talking i mean just inches from me just being paralyzed or dead right and i was very very fortunate very blessed uh that that i was able to recover from that and not only recover from it but you know become the athlete i am today but it really was determination in my mind was that you know and it came from me the streets that's that's where i got it from was that um i'm either going to lay down and die or i'm going to stand up and fight there's no other there's no there's no in between you either do it or you don't do it and that's really what what it was about was really my experience from the street was like i have two options you can't you there's no way you're going to talk your way out of it there's no way you're going to be a a a what do you call that an ambassador somebody that has good with words be able to talk your way out of it because you ain't getting that far so either you're going to fight or you're going to get beat up and and that's just the way it was wow [ __ ] man can i ask you what is what is your relationship like with frank yeah yeah wow that's uh you know i want to love him picture you guys together yeah i guess yes i i want to love the guy i want to help i want to embrace him he makes it so hard because i know when my father passed away he was passing away he was in the hospital he was on response we brought him home he chose that he didn't want to be you know doing uh you know all the things he needed to do to to live because he was pretty bad off and so i brought him home and and let him pass away at home well and i remember one of his his requests were can you get frank i want to talk to him i want to put aside our our difference because they were fighting at the time and so we called and reached out to frank and frank said he'd mourn at home he did not give my father a chance to ask for forgiveness he didn't give him a chance to put that aside and and i think today it haunts frank i think that's why he's having issues and the things that he's going through is because of of that that he didn't allow for whatever reason he didn't allow that to be put aside and and to make things right this man without this man i wouldn't be where i'm at and without this man he wouldn't be where he's at and for him not to give him that chance it breaks my heart i don't hate him i feel for him because i know the more the longer he lives the more he has family and different things that he grows and understands how this works the more it's going to eat at him that he didn't honor the the request that that his father wanted wow um how many kids did uh the shamrock family bring in well i know my dad had over 500 boys wow within the time spirit the time period that we were at the shamrock boys home in susanville i know he had it in anza california for a short time i think there was i don't know maybe a 50 or 60 kids he had there but he and not only did he help the kids in the home he always helping kids in the community kids that were struggling they weren't doing well at home he would invite him out to the house he gave him square meals he let him stay um he was always he was just one of those kind of guys that was always reaching out and helping kids that was his thing he just he knew how to i mean listen nobody knew how to deal with me i mean i was i was a bad kid yeah and he knew how to deal with me he literally you know he was the same way yeah he's telling a story i was saying when it came to cuts i saw this big you know i'm from the gut i said 14 victoria master wow i'mma live here and i thought about the same that's all about robbing them too rob this year that's hard not to think that you're a street person she's got all this stuff and he said no all this stuff is yours you live here you're one of us but i don't know i still wanted to rob him and then he started talking to me about my character and this and that and he's you know and i said who this guy i thought it was some gay guy or something so you look nice you haven't what the [ __ ] is he talking about right what's the game what's he want what the hell does he want and i said what's this white guy go teach me about fighting who what did i [ __ ] find out you know me told me about the character talking about the spirit of fighting you know that's bigger than fighting the spirit of fighting you know he just that one i became a slave i said teach me more well those two guys seem very similar bob shamrock and customato and what they who they were in the world and i'm interested to hear from you guys what do you think it is that and i think i know but for our audience what do you think it was that he wanted oh there's no question in my mind that his true intentions were was to help a troubled youth somebody that had the ability to be do better things in life i mean he didn't reach out to me because um he thought like well i'm just gonna you know help this kid he saw something in me he literally saw something was special and he goes you know to be a shame that somebody doesn't reach out and actually help this kid reach his potential because he can be great and i know that's what he thought and so for him to really the difference between everyone else was that they weren't talking a game they weren't telling you something without producing something and he literally produced my anger and my frustration and he showed me how to take all that that that that frustration and that ability to want to kill and hurt people and he literally said here go ahead take it out on these guys here that are playing football take it out of these guys here that are wrestling but here's the key you got to stay within the rules yeah you can go as hard as you want you'll be as angry as you want you'll be as frustrated as you want you can you can explode hard as you want but stay within that whistle stay within that matted area and you can go as hard as you want and be whoever you want to be within that rule and i it was hard for me no question because i lost control a lot of times but he'd always bring me back and said hey you know this is this is the rules right here this is where you got to be he said i'm not telling you you can't do it i'm saying you got to do it within this and then once i started catching on to that and all of a sudden i became relevant and i was like whoa i'm important like these guys like me and literally they didn't just like me as a person but they liked what i could do for them that's fine because now i understood and my father helped me understand that was like they want something from you you want something from them so you guys work with each other and get what you want exactly if cousin was happy that made me happy if me knocking out people made him happy [ __ ] i want to do it i want to knock out of five people a day really because that made them happy that was my job i just wanted them to be happy and being happy made me happy the pride on their face like oh is that my dad yeah like whenever i go in and pin a guy i beat two state champions and i wasn't even ranked i mean it was i was just got there and he'd be on the phone talking to his friends the old friend oh he beat him and this and that and he doesn't even have a lot of fights he just started he beat the champion of the neighborhood he did this and that he feel proud oh that major made you like everything that you had gone through and everything that you were all of a sudden you became loved and and you were important to this human being and it it wasn't selfish it was they were truly happy for you big time and ken you've really you've taken that and you've paid that forward right i mean you have your own group homes now for boys i did yeah you did i ran those homes and and uh we gave kids an outlet same thing wanted to try to do that nowadays with the way the laws are on the way kids lie and this and that and they and you're a famous guy that polarized that that's crazy i could never my wife loves when kids come to visit my kid over the house i'm nervous yeah when their friends come over the house i don't know what these kids don't know what they did karen their parents planned them to do i don't know they may think we wealthy we live in this neighborhood in this big [ __ ] house they may think we have more money than we actually have it's funny too because like i mean you think about that man and that's that's you people are so out to be able to just i mean you look at social media and everybody's out to try to get a buck by suing her or or posting something for himself yeah and it's just sick man and that's that's the truth man you got to watch yourself tell my wife don't leave me alone in here with this [ __ ] name you're right it's cleaner wait did she leave then you can leave don't leave me alone with this woman this will ruin our life baby all this are you gonna leave all this [ __ ] we work [ __ ] go one word can lose all this [ __ ] we as hard we work we just came from nothing baby yeah let's imagine this this one was gonna lose all this [ __ ] we got uh all they got to say is one word man they don't got to be true you know all it has to do is say it and the rumors go they don't even got to go to court they don't have to do anything but just say it and it's everywhere it's all in social media whether it's true or not true it was said and you're dead no more no more doing the um walton commercials for you buddy normal kentucky fried chicken commercial yeah no more all-american guy hey well hey i heard pornhub's hiring yeah exactly exactly that's about it oh okay that's hysterical um don't ask me how i know that yeah um well what are you up to these days man what do you spend your time on well i tell you what man something that um i think hopefully mike might be interested in is i went up to uh columbia and metidine and i did stem cells and oh man you know i'm one of those kind of guys people say oh dude do this man it was game changing i was like yeah whatever i heard that a million times and i was like okay well then i actually got footage from matt hughes chuck liddell kevin i saw his story a documentary unbelievable and that's what sold me i was like okay i'm gonna i'll give it a try so i go up there and i do this thing and they put me under they give me all these stem cells i wake up one morning and they tell me you're gonna be sore in these different joint areas and i was like okay so i wake up and i'm gonna get up going to bathroom it's like three four in the morning i get to go to the bathroom and i go back down and lay in bed and i was like wait a minute it's like my shoulder's swimming he's your shoulder everything but where i get really stiff is my lower back of my neck because i broke my neck twice in my lower back once in the middle of my back's all jacked up and i'm like there's no pain i got no infl i got no information i was like okay i'm gonna go to bed i'm dreaming i wake up by nine o'clock next morning i'm like i wake up again and i'm like i i don't have any inflammation i'm still sewing shoulders and everything but they warn that and i was like wow this okay i'm gonna slow down on this i'm not gonna jump out of here and say everything's working so i wait a week i couldn't raise my arms above my head going to the airport i'd go this high because i've got a titanium ball in my shoulder i mean completely reconstructed so i have a hard time with my arms within a week to two weeks bam i'm like wow this is a game changer literally i went up to australia and i did a 40 minute match with dan severn i'd have never been able to do that before these stem cell dreams i've been out and now i'm in to do it three weeks now i'm supposed to see more results david truett said hey this is just the beginning man you're gonna see so many results within six months that it's going to be a game changer it already is for me so i'm like man if i can share this with people and let them know how it's done to me and they can help them man i'm all about that so i hope that maybe you'll get a chance to at least see what that is because i i really truly and i'm not saying this just to say it i'm telling you it is a game changer down there listen for sure but one thing too i want to talk about is i want to talk about my love right please i fought in the very first ufc yeah yeah i fought over in japan with open hand strikes i fought with four ounce gloves on i fought muay thai i've done it all i fought everything i fought boxing i sparred with guys to help them get ready for their fights i've done it all and the one thing that i fell in love with was bare knuckle and the reason why i fell in love with it was because i felt like like this is just pure i mean it's man against man god given talent and that there's nothing there that's going to get in the way i mean you hit with a jab it counts right any time you hit somebody it counts but if you miss it it also counts because it works against you your hand so i fell in love with that man and i said you know if i ever get a chance to bring back bare knuckle because they started putting four ounces on glove four ounce gloves on guys and started saying we're gonna make it safer well the reality of that's not true they wanted to protect the guys that were winning the guys that were knocking people out because they knew they could him in the back of the head the side of the head and they wouldn't damage their hand and and so they made it into a four billion dollar business kudos good job but that's not what i fell in love with i fell in love with the bare knuckle part because it was so pure and i said you know i get a chance to do that i'm going to bring it back bare knuckle fighting valor bare knuckle fighting i'm bringing it back people kept screaming stand them up stand them up well we're standing them up nice man why do you think we we love fighting so much [Laughter] i think it's because we're good at it [Laughter] we want something from it yeah yeah yeah it gives us something we want something from it gives us status since the beginning of time the strongest man in the world achilles since the since achilles everybody wanted to be the toughest man in the world king of the hill yeah respect respect then it works against you after you get old they start looking at you like what happened to my respect no even that becomes the form of respect right well yes yes depending on that even that becomes a form of respect yeah well i've seen this emergence of bare knuckle and i think it's really interesting and so you you believe that or maybe the science says because it would make sense i mean you put four ounces you put weighted you know accessories on your on your weapons and that's gonna add damage you know it's like a football helmet in football you know really you're just putting a t a a spear on that thing you know giving a guy a chance to do more damage without hurting their hand but you know and and and england bare knuckle fighting is just brilliant is it quicker it's quicker it is so fast malinagi went in and fought uh lobov um i think it was one of conor mcgregor's guys and it was really boxing against mma and when a boxer goes into a bare knuckle fight malonagi i think made a mistake because he thought bare knuckle would be like boxing well that's crazy because you got to think about in boxing you got eight ounce gloves well those eight ounces gloves are a lot bigger so you could pick a boom you can block bare knuckle you can't block you know so yeah use your footwork you got to be moved more and malaji came in there with the wrong idea he thought he could block yep and he got he got lit up and um so i think that's i really think that's the exciting part of it because it's almost like in the very beginning days with ufc when they first started out it's like now we have that same concept where you're trying to figure out everybody says boxing's going to adapt better or mma might adapt better and i'm thinking to myself i think it's the individual i think it's the character of an individual that says hey i'm going to come in i'm going to learn because it's different and a lot of these guys want to try to think it's similar or the same it's not bare knuckle is his own beast it's different it's faster from the time the bell rings to the end of the bell in the third round it's on there's no feeling out process there's not a trend it's like when he fought it was like well on goal right i mean you did great yeah but now a lot of guys they always want to kind of get that one or two rounds and feel it out well in bare knuckle you take one or two rounds and feel it out and you're done game over yeah what's your feeling on it mike it's interesting really um yeah um with the rules that they have it's not really like bare knuckle fighting boxing they had different rules you know they didn't have the um marcus of queensberry three minutes and one minute rest if you knocked the guy down in 1880 if you knocked him down at the end of the round so you knocked the guy down ten times you're not that's ten rounds you know so they had to change the rules but um i think it's pretty awesome it has a it has um it has a base yeah it wants to see it yeah i've seen yeah so i think it's necessary well it seems very exciting i don't go like well one one fighting sport is worse than another spike but we're fighting you can die fighting that's an unwritten law when we sign the contract that's the law that we know because we've seen it over and over again that's growing up being fighters that's the unwritten law you can die training uh in the fight and it's i'm glad he said that because i hear a lot of people trying to say bare knuckles more dangerous or boxing's more dangerous because more people have died while baron hasn't been it's been here forever but it's just starting back again or mma is to me it's this man every single combat sport whether it's football i mean even in soccer i mean there's danger in any athletic sport so when people talk about this yeah people can get hurt yeah somebody may die but look at it like this anybody that steps in the ring signs a contract and understands what they're getting into there's a trade-off like we talked about earlier there's a status about being a fighter about being the best in the world about combat achilles being on top of the world there's a trade-off to that too you can die yeah so you don't have to do it but if you want the status well yeah but listen to this too look at my life i live in brownsville brooklyn i'm going to cut off welfare i'm going to die in this building if i don't rob and steal i'll get shot from stealing somebody's [ __ ] i'll get caught and get put to jail for the rest of my life i'mma die and get paid money my life is worth it i thought i forfeited my life for it if i died [ __ ] it i signed the contract don't you think you know how many people all over the world you don't think you think you know how many other people would have no [ __ ] say that and they got talent some people don't know how to fight the [ __ ] i do it for money yeah yeah you have to get the word please nobody care about dying that's what it comes to the concept of when the real concept no one cares about dying we're not going to eat there's no thought we don't think about that about that yeah um yeah that argument is it goes nowhere you know because like you said i mean that's that's part of why people do it you know it's because the stakes are so high and you look at the why people watch it because the stakes are so high right it's it's exciting and this is why i think that bare knuckle is really starting to take off is because it is fast people when they sit down want to be interested especially in today's generation with all the social media everything is happening out there they don't want to wait for something to happen they don't want to wait for a story line to play out they want it now yeah bare knuckle is that kind of fighting where it's happening now yeah where is that at it's at four bears casino in newtown north dakota awesome and um i'll tell you what i did before what's that like oh yeah yeah north dakota man well i tell you the native american territory it is and it's it's a beautiful place i would love to go see it you know i mean it's a beautiful wasn't that cool though yeah yeah this is my experience there was awesome those guys are really proud people they put on i mean they're just the way they are when you go there they treat you with respect their casino is pretty much brand new even the event center itself is new the area around it is just i mean it is loaded with oil you see oil wells everywhere wow so there's a lot of money running through there not long just with the indian reservation but also with the oil and stuff that goes on there man it's tremendous right now wow there's a lot like when i drove from the airport to there i must have saw at least two to three hundred and this is no i'm not kidding you two to three hundred different oil things going on it's everywhere drive from there interesting never would have thought that yeah why don't you think about going to business with them your fighting stuff goes well with them you can get a contract with the with the casino yeah so right now man we're excited to be there and work with them and we look forward to a long relationship with them for sure yep three bears north dakota are you still fighting ken no i don't you know that's funny that's funny when people say that because like i uh there's other people that have mentioned it on their shows and people are still fighting well you're in great shape man i'm just curious you're in [ __ ] great shape i wrestle like i've got a show coming out of an impact on the 20th of september where i'm not 20 september 20th of october i don't even remember i got so much stuff going on but i'm wrestling for impact i got a couple shows i'm doing with them i'm excited to to be in the ring and wrestle but mark coleman came out and started saying stuff about fighting me bearing up well me and mark are friends we're good friends and me and him we're joking about it he says hey dude we just run with this so we ran with it right he said yeah but not once did i ever say i was fighting he did but i never said that right and so people just picked it up and started thinking we're gonna fight then they started saying well he's too old to fight i don't know what he's thinking maybe he needs the money and they're all speculating on this you're threat you're watching my name going hey ask me yeah ask me i never said i was why are you saying why are you saying that they're scared of you man oh my goodness all the [ __ ] talking heads are scared help me little [ __ ] help me yeah so tell me what was that guy that killed himself kevin the black guy kevin something randleman random women yeah think about they had mental illness did something happen what happened i used to watch him fight a minute yeah he was a beast he was an [ __ ] a great wrestler amazing speed yeah he's fast yeah wow he's a great wrestler man good dude too he was not a punk he was a nice guy and i really hated to see that happen but you know i mean in this business man it really when especially when you get along in the tooth and you start moving out of that and you're trying to find yourself in another career when everybody wants you and you're important and then you get the end of your career and you just got a small amount of people that kind of want to step on you as you're going out the door and i think that's kind of what happened was it just he just didn't there was no one there to keep him lifted up and he got depressed because it's a hard thing to do i mean i mean i'm sure mike can speak to this too because it was tough for me i'm gonna probably didn't kill myself i'm glad you did yeah but it's hard for a fighter who is the best in the world literally the best in the world and then to say okay you're not relevant anymore that is that's a hard truth no no forget not being relevant and they're saying they treat you like that really booyah right there and then you gave free tickets with brought them in your parties your after-party little coming your answer right let them sleep over your house they don't give a [ __ ] yeah they would never [ __ ] their nasty ass when you let somebody just because they're around you they're trying to [ __ ] them nasty no good [ __ ] then they say [ __ ] you mike that's the truth man i tell you there's a lot of klingons guys that just like are in your camp that constantly are there when the party's happening and everything's going well the minute it turns they spit on you and that is that's so hard to deal with because it's very hard i know with me and i know what mike talked so bad about you yeah they took care of their family their mother they didn't know what out of the country was you took care of it you put them on planes probably you did a nice thing and he says you're a piece of [ __ ] they might testify against you in court yeah man i can't be saying that it pierces my heart because those are people you care about and then all of a sudden they turn on you it breaks your heart it does it hurts you madness is the woman that you loved and told everything about you how you love them she's the love of your life and then you see you understand saying you're a piece of [ __ ] you abuse her you're nothing this and that oh god i'm such a sucker it's so interesting you know that people do that it hurts just hearing him say that because it brings back memories you know we all do money attracts those kind of people um you know and you just don't see the colors until it's gone so you don't until you're out so you're you're struggling yourself colors you don't want to see it it's too good to be true you don't want to make this i want to see this light is what it is too good to expose it for what it is i don't even want to believe you're lying to me i don't believe i don't want to believe you [ __ ] this guy behind my back i don't even want to believe i know you're telling me but i don't believe it don't want to deal with it don't want to do it yeah you didn't do it no you didn't [ __ ] just move on man it hurts too much i don't want to see that i don't want to deal with it he's in there listening and i ain't infecting i thought i was tough i thought it was a badass time my heart got broken that's a [ __ ] i ain't [ __ ] that's a true man that's just just hearing i mean i like i said i just i mean it's ditto right i mean you just feel it yeah yeah kind of just go through those thoughts again where you were at and the people that you thought were your friends and you thought you didn't these [ __ ] i love them too you still love them but they just rot into this toxic too you can't help them that kill you that's i think that's the hardest part like he just said that you still love them you still care about them and there's a lot of them and you and you you just kind of rationalize it in your head like well maybe i was part of the problem and maybe you maybe i was like because i wasn't the nicest person either when i was at the top at the same time man it's just you just can't believe that people that were that close to you on the inner circle would literally just kick you in the nuts and just not care just literally not care and then we have to look at from this perspective and go outside of ourselves and say no this is what you need to grow we know what you need you don't know what you need [ __ ] this is what you need to grow you know when god talks to us we know it's him but we don't know how to we don't know how to finance him you know we don't know how to say hey god just told me this because that sounds like [ __ ] god didn't tell me [ __ ] but he did just send me this who said it who said i'm not smart enough to think this [ __ ] up then who said it right who said it yeah yeah when you start thinking it was you that's when things start going wrong because you ain't that smart [Laughter] i'm not that smart that's working on this [ __ ] ain't me i ain't thinking of this [ __ ] no it's too deep for me is just transmissions man thinking about this [ __ ] it's the transmissions we received yeah wow man yeah working yeah exactly man ken is there anything else you want to hit before we wrap it up want people to know about you where you're at how to get in contact with you yeah kenshamrock.com and um also uh valor bk valerie okay that's where we have all of our instagram social media sites you can go there and check us out you want to get tickets go check that out well listen big bear not go to me don't get promoted enough how do you get promoted how do you promote it i mean at a big level because it's not getting promoted enough well i think it's first time we came out for that first week they promoted the [ __ ] they must have spent every nickel they had in their pants to promote it because when was that when they first when they had those first pilots maybe a year ago almost a year six months ago yeah yeah yeah eight months ago they started having all the fights that everybody knew about it the octagon square everybody was fighting in there and then it stopped so now you're just coming back yeah i think what we got to do is basically and this has been our approach since the beginning is that we got to educate people on what they're watching once we can start getting the education out there that this is not barbaric and this isn't something that is coming out from the streets and it's not sanctioned and it's not professional we're bringing in professional fighters and to be able to understand that people say oh well it's bare knuckle oh somebody's going to get hurt the reality of it is it's not because when you're fighting bare knuckle you can break your hands so you got to ease up on your punches and plus and bare knuckle fighting this is something i do agree because i know about better mostly um they stop the fights because the guys get cut later yeah so they ain't nobody's taking a beating right here three times four time boom [ __ ] start opening up you're not defending yourself you're gonna start opening up so even though it looks more more violent because of the blood yeah but it's just more cuts yeah visually imagine taking three but nobody ain't nobody in this court goes gonna let a fight be enough we'll take three rounds of beating right right no no yeah yeah one round might be they might get too ugly on one nobody's gonna take a beating well let me get a little deeper than that too i might think about this and it just happened about a month ago where you got a guy that's really tough right and so this guy knocks him down three or four times but the guy keeps getting up and because he's so tough and that he has a chin he keeps getting up but he's he's taking brain damage but you can't see it you can't see it yeah so but with bare knuckle that will never happen because when a punch lands like those punches were landing guys are going to get cut they're going to get broken noses there's going to be blood and they're going to stop the fight as opposed to boxing gloves where you're going to hit a guy 100 times and he may be cut once but he just took 100 brain shots right yeah yeah yeah so that's very good the purpose of and it can't happen somebody but the purpose of really where people get hurt is because um the continual pounding over time yeah in the gym and everything all the time they get aneurysms sometimes people are born with aneurysms and they may die the first time you get hit and they may they get you may die after 20 years of getting hit and no one knows when you're gonna die but you're gonna die even in sparring like i mean in barranca you don't spar right you use double in bags you try to be more accurate you don't need power and then when you spar with actual gloves on you're not trying to hit hard because all you're trying to do is get your footwork in and you're handling so the sparring is much much less than it would be if you're trying to train for an mma fight or a boxing fight because you have to get those rounds in that are aggressive with baronacho you don't you don't have to because you know that when you hit somebody with your fists they will count so you don't have to go 15 rounds or 12 rounds or five five minute rounds it's three three minute rounds and it from the bell to the bell fight is on very interesting very exciting american champion before we could challenge an english champion that's where the money's gonna come and england have been doing it for 500 years something like that what was ll's ancestor's name tom tom nelson no tom mullen john sullivan like yeah he's like um the 16th tom molina tom mononuka 16 15 16 10. well we have two two guys from england in our tournament facts we got one former champion from england his god beer he's fighting in this bare knuckle tournament so james god beard god beard yeah good name right whoa intense name right imagine when he goes to church yeah [ __ ] bro we in america don't have nothing on toughness when it comes to the english they've been doing they might be better fighters i'm talking about pure toughness like walking through a [ __ ] ball and you slug out a bunch of big bad mother no they got that they got to eat with that yeah it's that gypsy right i mean they little gypsy circus any of them yeah there's a whole bunch of [ __ ] english [ __ ] that are bunch of fighters [ __ ] fighters yeah and don't give a [ __ ] if they get killed to knock down coal in the street just going for it they're used to it man yeah they've been doing that for a year they've been in so many wars over the years of their existence can you imagine well it's interesting to think about that and tie it to the united kingdom the land mass and how they're such a small piece of land yet they have so much significance throughout the history that oh there's a connection to the connections to the romans and the great yeah yeah it's very rich in history too man yes man well ken it's been an absolute honor man to have you here thank you man i appreciate it thank you so much pleasure my friend amazing to share your story and your insight it's really powerful stuff girlfriend get together and show love you know maybe you can go to the um gravesite together yeah that would be beautiful that's something i hope for you know like i said i'm not a person who wants to hold i want to make sure that i don't have anything when i move on in life that i have to have grudges or hold grudges because i'm not about that listen ken right believe it or not right we're not we're almost it's almost over for us yeah we're here that's right ego probably tells me that bad as we healthy we look good but it's almost over we're here for a short time now yeah it's almost over can't be mad can't go to can't leave here being mad at somebody we love that's it brother no no question i mean i had beefs with tito ortiz i had beefs with dana i went to every single one of those guys and said hey man i'm sorry and put our piece behind us because i felt like i was involved in this great thing that people love so much and that the fans deserve to be able to go to events and not have to worry about guys that have feuds with one another so that was important to me to make sure that we we bury that and that we can move on and just just be friends with each other so the fans can enjoy the history and that's awesome i noticed about most fighters the majority of us just say 98 95 of us you know where we come from we fight for pride and we're not businessmen and so people take advantage of us because of our pride because we want to be somebody because we're never nobody we're always nobody now we want to be somebody we don't think about no [ __ ] money we fight for free yeah yeah yeah i would fight for free if they let me fight you know what i mean yeah just they won't let me fight yeah just get me out there let me fight the best guy man and i even said it many times until until we started making money and i realized i was i was a mark he's like hey can't come over here we'll take you so i realized it was a business then but yeah that's kind of how i felt man was like man just put me in a ring i want to fight they'd be talking about some guy oh he's i'll fight him i said i'll fight him you know you're not ready not yet mike we'll give you a chance you're not ready for them yet well but i still would have fought him here to kick my ass but i don't know i wouldn't have been afraid of it maybe i would've heard my intentions would have been the [ __ ] hurdle back down to no one yeah words to live by guys well amazing episode thank you again ken it's really an honor to have you here mike great episode incredible everybody thank you so much for listening to this episode of hot boxing be sure to subscribe to our youtube channel hop up hot boxing with mike tyson check out our website hotboxingpodcast.com a lot of great stuff there all the episodes merch etc good stuff i'm evan britton i'm mike tyson and i'm ken shamrock peace peace out everybody here oh that was great now thank you thank you man thank you [Music] two

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Length: 63min 55sec (3835 seconds)

Published: Thu Oct 08 2020

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In the mid 90's this was the fight I really wanted to see. Gonna check this out later while I do my work.