Joe Rogan & Dennis McKenna Go DEEP Into Simulation Theory

I honestly think it's coming Phil's wife certain Huck could I like this I think it's coming from his wife is this going around - this is a jacket you were - uh-oh what she's saying it says I really don't care do you yeah and this was to a meeting of day like immigration yeah kids kids yeah what is that is that but is that some fashion jacket that she wore to that event yeah what a stupid [ __ ] thing to wear I really don't care do you yeah I care yeah yeah I do care but what are you talking about what a bizarre open-ended question I really don't care this is what the tone deafness of these people they have no sensitivity she's a little critic though of separating children from their families and she actually made a surprise visit to the Mexican border today to check in on it yeah see what's going on good for her yeah good for she's an immigrant I mean this is the Ernie of the whole thing she barely speaks English the whole thing is so bizarre is that his own wife is a [ __ ] immigrant young clearly the whole thing's crazy it's it's really strange but that jacket this well this is the sign of the simulation have you considered the simulation theory yes it might be real I'm well sometimes I do wonder I mean it's like it's like reality whatever we choose to call it is becoming so weird that I often ask myself who is writing this [ __ ] and can't they get a better writer you know I mean the plot is so absurd and yet yeah I began actively considering it when congressman Weiner kept pulling his dick out this is just crazy that guy this is just too much and then when Trump won I just was sitting down going imagine if we one day someone shuts it off and the lights dim and then they turned back on and you realize well the game's over how did you like it and you're like what that was fake yeah you you just went it would only took an hour how long did it seem like 50 years you know and yeah you you you're in a simulation with artificial memories implanted into your mind well the one day that there's the ideas that there's going to be an artificial reality or a virtual reality that's so good that it's indistinguishable I mean this is almost inevitable if technology increases the same rate that it's increasing now whether it's five years from now or a hundred years from now we're going to reach some point in time so the real question is when we do reach that how will we know well what if we're already there yes what if it is a simulation yes how would we know and how we test it yeah how do we test it do you but another aspect of this is do we really want this you know do I mean do we want to be immersed in a virtual reality even if we could produce one so sophisticated we couldn't tell it from from whatever this is let's assume for the moment that this is reality it's that's it do we want to migrate into a virtual reality my concern my real concern is that we are the last wave of the biological human I'm really I really do believe this I'm concerned about that too and I'm not sure I think that that's a good thing I don't necessarily think it's a good thing for the biological human but I feel like if you separate yourself from the idea of good and bad and the inevitability of innovation and progress its if human beings continue to make more and more complex electronics with higher and higher capabilities it's inevitable that we become symbiotic with these things that we ingrain them into our they're gonna become a part of your body we're gonna replace body parts with more efficient body parts right and we're one day going to create some sort of artificial life now whether we become a part of that artificial life we we you know merge with it or it just assumes the role of the leader of the earth one of those things is likely to happen within the next five hundred years it's just and that's that's a really generous time frame no I think that's a generous time frame yeah well you know this this I mean it in some ways this is sort of you know this this raises the issue about you know one of the things that psychedelics put in front of us front and center is the fact that we are getting estranged from nature yeah you know that's the main lesson we're getting estranged from nature we have to reenter stand our relationship and and you know become a partner it's in the symbiosis with nature and this projection is the exact opposite of that yeah so is that you know so maybe you know and this this race is also in one issue that we haven't really touched on but here but you know technology which is what this virtual reality stuff is and what any artifact is psychedelics are technology molecular biology as technology cybernetics as technology technology inherently has no moral dimension you know these are not good or bad things you know the way that they are used by humans the decisions that humans make in the way that they're going to exploit or deploy these technologies that's where the moral dimension comes in morality comes out of the human heart you know and we are one of our problems I feel as a species we're extremely clever but we're not wise that's what it is we're not wise about what we do we're not able to step back and say well yeah we can produce we can you know download the brain into cybernetics or we can produce an artificial body or we can do all this genetic stuff do we ever stop to think about just because we can do something should we do something you know we and the arrogance of science this is also a problem the scientists will say well they are scientists right we can do it so let's do it you know Brian we can do the Hadron experiment and oh maybe it'll collapse the space-time continuum but a very small probability so let's do it right yeah and this is something we have to learn I think also the psychedelics are important in that regard too they are ways that we can bring our and our wisdom into sync so that we have the wisdom not to do something even though we might be able to we shouldn't do it just because we can do it you know we really have to as a species ask ourselves is this a good idea and I think again these the psychedelics are teaching tools for learning this and and really propagating the message from the community of species that's for sure going to be a meme with a photo of your face that we are very clever but we're not wise that's for sure going to be a meme some some dudes right or gal it's working on that right now well I've been talking about this so so striking you're not my real concern with this stuff is that this is inevitable and this is just like the single-celled organism became the multi-celled organism and that the the thinking curious monkey who strives for material possessions is designed to create artificial life and this is just what we've we've we're set here I've described it as that we are the technological butterfly that will emerge from the cocoon and right now we're creating this cocoon that we are this caterpillar yeah its technological caterpillar and we don't know why we're making this cocoon and that we are going to give birth to this artificial life this next stage and that may complexity that may be true too I mean I mean what you say is true you know on some level anything that can be done is going to be done somebody's gonna do it right but so you know is it good is it is it good or is it good for the collective I mean you know there are always megalomaniacs who will say well like I can do it I can start a nuclear war so why don't we do this you know and that's that's the tricky part again I think you know psychedelics are important in giving us a moral compass I mean a wisdom not not a set of you know rules about that come out of the religious perception that's of rules that come out of the biological perception what is most compatible what is most nourishing nourishing for living things presumably we don't want to trash this planet you know we now have the ability to do that you know the forces that we can manipulate for the first time in history pose a real possibility that we could and life on Earth III think it's hard but I think we may be able to do it that I for one don't want to see that happen I had a bit a few years back in my comedy act about the origins of the universe and that what happens is people get so smart that they develop a Big Bang machine and that someone sitting around and some guy who's on the autism spectrum was filled up with SSRIs and antidepressants and drinking Red Bull all day it just goes [ __ ] it I'll press it and he hits the button and boom we start from scratch and then every you know 14 plus billion years someone develops the Big Bang machine and hits it and that's the the restart of the universe overly obsessed with this idea of the universal simulation yeah I am in some ways it's possible I mean it's possible it is well it's inevitable that there will be simulated worlds right I'm not necessarily completely obsessed with the idea that we're living in a simulation but I am completely obsessed that we are a relic and that we are on our way out I really am I really do think that maybe that's one of the reasons why we're so crazy and so haywire it's just shows there's no logical progression for our culture that it's as advanced as we are as much access to information as we have we're also as crazy as we have ever been if not crazier yeah yeah yeah so the age of the curious monkey is coming to a close I wonder how much of the limitation our biology is - I mean the you think about what it took to get to here and all the battles we had to fight and the animals we had to run from and all these human reward systems that are ingrained into our DNA and that now here we are in a place where we hardly need them and yet we still have them just blowing up and exploding and vomiting all over the place in these weird ways you know have them sort of manifesting themselves with very strange behaviors that aren't aren't good for anybody and this constant need to acquire material possessions and conquer and and and you know obtain things that this is this is not tenable this is not something that makes sense in the long haul but yet we still go down the theological road and that this is really just because this is the best way to fuel innovation our extreme desire for material possessions is the best way to ensure that they're going to keep coming up with new or better things every year which will eventually give birth to the electronic butterfly well I don't know what to say about that I mean it may be that maybe we're we're where we're headed and it and you know it may be that this is a necessary step I mean if if our destiny is to actually leave the earth at some point if if the earth is an incubator for life and we're just a destined to leave it and spread out into the galaxy and beyond who knows I mean then maybe this is inevitable that we have to that we have to do that if that's what's happening but the question is what kind of being will we be when we do that you know we won't be human right we'll be something different than human that's what I've always wondered about the alien archetype that big-headed thing with the no genitals and no mouth that may be what we think of as being the ultimate form that the the human animal takes right if when we do if we do symbiotically merge with technology and electronics that that might be the form that we take it's just so strange at that one accepted form and I've heard I've heard the idea that this this image is something when young eyes from a newborn baby sees a doctor and see the doctor with a mask and the you know face and this is what they see and that this is imprinted in our mind this traumatic experience of the birth and the bright lights and the operating Abell this is why so many of these alien abduction experiences do take place in these very clinic clinical sterile environments and it seems like a medical procedure as if this is a remnant of the birth process I've heard that experience I've heard that explanation but it also just it strikes me that these things are there if you go you go from ancient hominids you go from Australia Pittacus and then you go to modern computer programmer who doesn't exercise and you look at their body this sort of like doughy thin body it doesn't move very well right it's it's and then you go back to this muscular ape-like creature that's covered in hair they've lost all the hair they've lost all the muscle they've become thin and then where is that going well it's obviously going in that same direction it's not gonna people are not going to get more muscular and harder and hairier as time goes on unless something radical changes and we need to perhaps right so that would be the normal I mean the path would that would be the natural progression that we would eventually have bigger heads because we have bigger heads in Australia Pittacus and certainly bigger heads than chimps or bonobos and that it just keeps going in that same direction mm-hmm well possibly yeah or maybe we just leave the biological shell behind you know but then we're really shocked I mean we are trans human them yeah and we you know I'm I'm not sure I want to go there I don't think I want to go there but I'm what I'm thinking is like what is what is it that's making me cling to these ideas is it that I love emotions I love illogical behavior do I love art yeah I love all those things I love music and food and all the things that cooking and all the things that make a person a person camaraderie but what are those things aren't those chemical reactions we have with other beings and natural reward systems that are built in the sort of enhanced community and camaraderie so that we stay together so that the species survives like what if there's something that supplants that well if there's something that far surpasses that in terms of pleasure and connectivity and we realized that emotions are these these ancient systems that were put into place when there wasn't wasn't a better option with these better options it's it's much better to get your food from a supermarket than it is to chase down a gazelle for two days until it dies you know of heatstroke you know I mean these these systems improve over time you know this this animal that we are now is very different than the we at the animal we used to be why do we want to stay in this imperfect state that seems even more ridiculous that we'd like to stay humans forever humans are so flawed we mean there's a reason why we we have all this nonsense in the world and our society is sick and we are twisted and confused but a part of it at least has to be that the human animal itself is very flawed because there's no perfect culture you can't just no chalk it up to culture because if you did chalk it up to culture you would say well this culture sucks but if you go to this culture it's amazing there's no crime everyone loves everyone it's completely open there's no need to worry about money because everybody's generous and and everything gets and they're they're very brilliant and they get along and they create newbs architecture and everything's fantastic it's the perfect society that doesn't exist but isn't that the culture that we can create with the help of psychedelic oh no isn't that what we're shooting for now we're talking human a truly humanistic culture where people were loved is what's happening where it's driven by love and not by hatred and rivalry and scarcity and fear you know and that's the whole thing the psychedelics can be the catalyst that teaches us how to love ourselves how to love each other how to love the earth I mean I know that sounds cliche and and trivial but that is easy act that is in fact what the promise that they hold for us that's why they're teachers they're teaching learning tools they can teach us to be the human beings that we would like to be you know and I and that's the thing that's that's the alternative to this hyper technological future you know and I mean I'm I'm all for technology I'm not against technology but again I think we have to you know we have to we have to bring wisdom to it we have to make a situation where you know it is not controlling us we are controlling it and we're thinking clearly about we have you know this enormous panoply of technologies that can do so many things we have to think about how do we deploy those in such a way to maximize human potential or you know our humanity so that's really I think what the promise that psychedelics hold out and that's you know that's what we're hoping to create you know as a kernel and we're not the only ones obviously a lot of people have this idea and it's happening but that's the idea is to create a place where people can learn this and you know and that's my hope for the future of humanity well it's it's a great hope for the future that people that are alive today and I think that's the most important we don't know what's coming but we do know it's here right and I think that's a great hope for what's here

Channel: JRE Clips

Views: 492,962

Rating: 4.8325381 out of 5

Keywords: Joe Rogan, JRE, Joe Rogan Experience, JRE Clips, PowerfulJRE, Joe Rogan Fan Page, Joe Rogan Podcast, podcast, MMA, Joe Rogan MMA Show, UFC, comedy, comedian, stand up, funny, clip, favorite, best of

Id: D0OClR1Wnzc

Length: 18min 59sec (1139 seconds)

Published: Sun Oct 07 2018