Scientist Thinks Mysterious Interstellar Object is Extraterrestrial

the jurogan experience you came on my radar when uh you were discussing uh um that's the right thing which is an object that we detected in space that you believe could possibly have been extraterrestrial in origin meaning from some sort of a civilization right yeah why did you did what please explain to people what a muammuala is why it's so extraordinary and why you think it's possible that it came from some other intelligent civilization right so i'm a scientist and i basically follow the evidence just like sherlock holmes trying to find solutions it's a detective story you have some anomalies some things that don't quite match what you expected and you're trying to find an explanation and the thing about omua moa is that it was discovered on october 19 2017. a little more than three years ago and it was the very first object that visited our vicinity in the solar system from outside the solar system it moved too fast to be bound to the sun very first object that we have found coming to us from interstellar space from other places and at first astronomers said oh yeah it's probably just like the objects we had in our solar system all the rocks that we have seen before we've seen comets and asteroids so a a comet is a rock that is covered with ice water ice so when it gets close to the sun the surface gets warmed up and the ice turns into vapor [Music] gas and you see this beautiful cometary tail behind it that's what a comet is an asteroid is just rock without much ice on it actually the first person to explain what comets are was at harvard the university that i am affiliated with and the story goes that i mean it was fred whipple that he went to harvard square and saw all the slush during the winter day you know and came up with the idea that it's just icy rock or rc i see rocks or you know rocky ice uh and that's what a comet is and the comets come to us from the periphery of the solar system and you know astronomers said okay other stars may have them as well and you know since they are loosely bound if they are in the periphery they can be easily ripped apart from their host star and some of them will fly in our direction we will see them so they said o muamma is probably a comet the only problem is there wasn't any cometary tale so you look for a duck but it doesn't look like a duck you know so then the question is what is it and so people say okay it's just a rock without any ice on it then the problem was that it exhibited an extra push away from the sun and usually you get it from the rocket effect that when when you make the cometary tail uh it pushes the object in the opposite direction just like a jet plane a jet plane works by throwing gas out and that's pushing you forward so a comet has an extra push when it evaporates but there was no commentary there so why did it show an extra push that was the key question in my mind at which point i started thinking maybe it's not a comet and not an asteroid something else you know and the other strange thing about it it it changes its brightness by a factor of 10 or more and the brightness of the object the light that we see is simply reflected sunlight so just think about it think about a piece of paper razor thin piece of paper tumbling in the wind and changing the area that we can see the projected area of that piece of paper by a factor of 10 as we look at it that's exactly what we inferred from this object spinning around every eight hours but changing its brightness by a factor of 10 meaning that the area projected on the sky that we see that reflects sunlight changed by a factor of 10 so that means it has an extreme geometry most likely flat if you try to interpret the light that it reflected over as it was tumbling around and so a flat object about the size of a football field that has an extra push if it were a comet it needed to lose about a tenth of its weight so a lot of evaporation you can't just say oh it's a little bit of evaporation and therefore that's why we don't see it it should have lost a tenth of its weight you know if we go on a diet and lose a tenth of our weight that's that's a big chunk of of mass right so this object didn't lose that because we didn't see it and the speed of space telescope looked very deeply behind it to see if there are any traces of dust or gas didn't see anything so then you know just like sherlock holmes i was trying to think together with a postdoc of mine uh shmuel bialy what could explain it and the only thing that came to mind is reflecting sunlight so the object itself is being pushed by the sunlight reflecting off its surface and you know that would agree with everything we know about the object but in order for it to work the object needs to be very thin like a sail you know the sail on a boat uh so a sail is pushed by a wind uh but you can also push an object a thin object by light and that is called the light sail and we're actually using this technology now developing it for space exploration the big advantage is you don't need to carry the fuel with the spacecraft you just reflect light off it and it's being pushed now a science fiction movie that did something like that i think it was called sunlight quite possibly i should mention an anecdote in september just a few months ago in september 2020 there was another object that showed an extra push no commentary tail and then astronomers so astronomers gave it a name 2020 so okay september 2020 and then they uh extrapolated back in time and found that it came from earth actually and then they looked at the history books and show and and so that indeed there was a rocket booster from a lunar lander that was kicked into space and this is the object now why did it show this push because it's a hollow it's a very thin structure so here is an example where we can tell it's artificial and we know that we made it but umuamua could not have been made by us because it was passing near us just for a few months very quickly faster than any rocket that we can launch that's why we couldn't really chase it when it was receding away from us and it came from outside the solar system so you know i just do one plus one equal to i say okay it looks very peculiar maybe it belongs to another civilization i just put it in a scientific paper i didn't think you know we didn't have any press release then it went viral the public got extremely interested and the thing that really surprised me is that my colleagues were pushing back they were very upset that this possibility was even mentioned you know we had a seminar a lecture about this object at harvard and if a colleague of mine after the lecture said this object is really weird i wish it never existed now to me you know that i was really appointed by this how can you say something like that you should you should be happy about whatever nature gives you you know you learn something new if if something doesn't look right it actually teaches us oh it's a learning experience we learned that we have to revise the way we think about reality you know that's a good thing that's not a bad you shouldn't always be in your comfort zone and think that the future will be the same as the past so i actually see it as a blessing you know i can't imagine why anybody would be upset that it exists like i wish it didn't exist that's kind of hilarious because it takes you away from your comfort zone you know i know but it's if you're studying the heavens you're studying the cosmos what is the ultimate thing that you could find another civilization or a piece of something well another civilization that's exactly my point but if you go back in time let me give you okay two examples uh galileo galilei said i think the earth moves around the sun but at the time philosophers knew for sure that the sun moves around the earth you see it moving in the sky it was consistent with their religious beliefs everything so they said we don't want to look through your telescope to change our view we will put you in house arrest now what did they achieve by that and by the way i'm in house arrest but it's because of the pandemic not because so what did they achieve by that they maintained their ignorance and the earth continued to move around the sun you know reality is the one thing that never goes away irrespective whether you ignore it you can ignore it now there is another example there is a student a student at harvard that as a result of my book on this subject that is about to come out in in a week or so she she was inspired to do her phd by you know on the theme of my book so she invited me to a thesis exam just a couple of months ago and one of the examiners a professor asked her do you know why giordano bruno an italian guy was burned at the stake and she said well he was an obnoxious guy he irritated a lot of people which is true you know he was an abnormal but the professor corrected her and said no it was because he said that other stars are just like the sun you know there are stars like the sun and they have planets like the earth around them and there may be life on those planets and that was offensive to the church because if there is life there and it had sinned you know then christ should have visited those planets to save them to save the life life forms and you know you need multi copies of christ to to visit those planets and that was unacceptable so they burned the guy so you see that you know throughout history people are not really open-minded about the sky the heavens as you said catch new episodes of the joe rogan experience for free only on spotify watch back catalog jre videos on spotify including clips easily seamlessly switch between video and audio experience on spotify you can listen to the jre in the background by using other apps and can download episodes to save on data cost all for free spotify is absolutely free you don't have to have a premium account to watch new jre episodes you just need to search 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[u/probably420stoned]

Thaaank you. I will be watching this later.

[u/PM_me_your_syscoin]

I've been saying this for years. Does anyone recall Gary McKinnon, the Brit who hacked into NASA and claimed he saw images of UFOs?

My dialup 56K connection was very slow trying to download one of these picture files. As this was happening, I had remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting. There was no reference to the size of the object and the picture was taken presumably by a satellite looking down on it. The object didn't look manmade or anything like what we have created. Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected.

[u/reddittimenow]

The anecdote about the heretic Giordano Bruno is super misleading, although it is a common sentiment among scientists who take him as a martyr. It’s true that the Catholic Church objected to his speculations about infinite occupied worlds. But Bruno also argued against the trinity, against the church as a structure, against transubstantiation, and finally Bruno delved into magic in the hermetic tradition. He also wrote about abuse of children by Catholics in at least one of his plays. Bruno was a committed heretic — he had been excommunicated from more than one time and in more than one country!

Bruno is a fascinating person, and his works are pretty cool and ahead of their times in my opinion. But he was not a scientist. He wasn’t burned for making scientific claims. He was deeply critical of powerful religious forces, and they clamped an iron on his tongue and burned him alive when he refused to recant.

The SEP article on Bruno is fantastic and highly recommended. I no longer have a copy of the biography I’m getting this information from, so it’s possible I’m getting some details wrong.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bruno/

TL,DR

Bruno was a dedicated heretic who challenged many tenants of Christianity. The plurality of worlds was one of many charges against him, and it was not the most severe.

[u/ZincFishExplosion]

I like that he isn't arguing that IT IS something built by an extraterrestrial civilization, but rather that IT COULD BE based on the information available to us.

[u/[deleted]]

Are others agreeing with the professor? On what basis does he thinks its extraterestial?

[u/mrlanke]

His anti covid podcast with Elon musk was the last one I listened to. So much arrogant bs.

[u/bobofango]

Avi Loeb has been doing a ton of interview and podcasts

[u/Vadey_V_One]

Does Avi believe this is alien or is he saying it's possible, and we shouldn't rule that possibility out? I watched the brief interview but it isn't clear.

[u/TheCoastalCardician]

This is super left field, but Undertaker was on recently and he was pretty funny. Can tell a good story too.

Origins of Undertaker Character