Joe Biden Live Interview Body Language around Tara Reade Interview

last night hey chase have you got a have you got a light to go oh there you are getting a little bit lit up there okay good got into giant lights up here okay mate just a just me my computer's acting weird today I was just doing too much stuff on it try to turn this on while I was doing that I don't know how to let me see if I can it I could be different I can definitely do mine okay okay so here we go I'm Scott rasmalai language expert analyst and I trained law enforcement the military an interrogation body language Greg I'm Greg Hartley I'm the former army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor and I've covered just about anything you can imagine from the human behavior and body language piece for major networks including like Jodi arias trial Brad Pitt Angelina Jolie's breakup you name it they call and now I've moved that mostly to business I'm the author of 10 books including this one the most dangerous business book you'll ever read and today I spend most of my time with corporate America and Wall Street Marc I've had a mop Odin I'm an expert in human behavior of body language and I help people all over the world to stand out win trust gain credibility every time they communicate including some of the leaders of the g7 I'm interested in how body language can be used for influence and persuasion and how critical thinking can be used to counter measure that influence of persuasion okay chase hey I'm chase Hughes I did 20 years of the US military and nowadays I've published a couple of books on body language and I teach body language behavior profiling interrogation and intelligence operations around the world specifically dealing with persuasion and influence and I am a trial consultant here in the United States excellent so here's we're good oh this read still this around the room Greg you had an idea yeah guys this is such a fun thing every one of us finds it different and we come to it from different angles I just want to ask what's your favorite thing in body language just unscripted what do you what's your favorite no I'll tell you one last we're going to go first all right okay so so um one of my favorite things is really the the context is what's happening outside of the what's happening in the room has somebody had some opportunity to set up some kind of context it could be what have they placed in the background what are they wearing specifically so what is it around body language that helps influence our ideas about that person and even some of the gestures they might be making excellent chase one of the most reliable things I've seen and analyzing tens of thousands hours of interrogation videos is called digital flexion and you can see this if somebody's hands are on a table the moment that they experience any kind of discomfort or concealed disagreement you'll see the fingers kind of curl up on the table not making a fist but just kind of a gradual retreat into the palm and it is one of the most reliable things I have ever seen and just like Mark said the moment that you put together the ability to read the room and what caused that behavior it becomes just a little micro super power Scott your turn I think my favorite thing is a thing that I actually coined a phrase called extra face and that's where you see someone on who knows they're being launched for example when you watch the Kardashians so obviously they know they're being watched but you never see a natural face one time I was with my brother and he was directing a TV show and he kept you on cut and tell these people in the back to quit to look normal stop making that face and I was like what face you talking about he said when people are supposed to be acting like you're talking supposed to be like like your family but when they're not doing anything they'll be reading I could like to read them you're doing this and they make this space that you never make but like you know like you and look Pleasant so I started spotting that everywhere people and usually people in public don't show it until they think somebody's watching them until they're aware of what's going around and then they'll put that little look on their face but I look for that all the times for my favorite things to look for and point out that's how I feel on Zoom now for me mine's similar to all of yours it's a simple thing in its amusement that amusement is the simplest of things when a person's so just on what they're thinking it's so internal their face softens a little like slightly smiling corners of their mouth their face is all soft through here their brow can be doing something else entirely so it's all contextual to your point I mean a person can use it to be calm friendly and polite kind with a very simple smile or we can be treacherous and horrible looking because they're amusing what they're going to do to you or surprised so it's really interesting that you have to play that one piece of body language can tie in to so many others you have to tie back to what they're seeing at the to your point chase that digital collection if to look at everything else or you'll miss read it it's a great illustrator of no there's no absolutes excellent excellent so what we're gonna do today is we're going to go over the Joe Biden situation with Tara Reid and his conversation he had on MSNBC and before we do that since this is a political situation we're looking at you've got to know for what will you do for a living and we're not political we don't fall on one side the other we call them like we see him if we think someone's being deceptive we say that person's being deceptive I believe because of this this and this if we think they're being honest we say we think that person's being honest because of this isn't this it's not political we call them like we see them it's important to understand that and keep that in mind as we go along now there's another thing that we need to talk about you for a second most people who watch things like this are under the impression the only thing we're looking for is the answer when someone answers the question that's why you always see the person asking the question then it cuts the person answering the question this is a great interview because we see both sides of it what we're interested in is the person reacting to the question and then answering the question so as we see them being asked the question that's just as important or maybe more sometimes than just hearing what the answer is and watching them answer so in this situation we're getting to see mica ask the question as Joe answered as Joe reacts to us he acts as she asks the question and then he answers so that's great so let's start off by watching the first question that she asked Joe Biden in this conversation did you sexually assault Tara Reid no it is not true I'm saying unequivocally it never never happened did it didn't it never happened or who was go first chase sure so we see a large deviation from his normal baseline behaviors in this so and most of his videos when he's on the news he's getting interviewed granted this is his first interview on the news in quite a while he's been quarantined for a while but his expressions go outside of this box so Biden's normal expressions in everyday interviews go outside of this box here they're out they're out and they're mostly open as he answered the question we saw an increase in blink rate and we didn't see anger which we would typically see in in mine experience as doing interviews if you accuse an innocent person or ask an innocent person if they do something we see a little bit of anger and less composure okay Gregor do you see it yeah I see the same thing I see a blink rate increase I don't see it looks rehearsed it looks practiced it looks emphatic but it doesn't look demonstrative like I'm trying to tell you can't you hear me and to your point chase I think that's a great call that he's still in box not out of box moving his hands but as importantly to me they're telling everything is tight everything is it looks like he's regurgitating something and he's not there's a thing I call request for approval when someone's asking you to believe them their forehead is up and wrinkled it isn't there okay mark where you go yeah I agree very contained rehearsed in the in that sense buttoned down one thing that interest me it never ever happened and it didn't and it did and it didn't well you suspect that I might think that you were not telling me the truth the first time around that it was so so there's a list that little kind of jarring moment there that makes me feel a little bit odd around around this it never ever happened and they didn't okay one thing it bothered me was the the part where when she asked him he's supposed to be saying that never happened when she says did it happened he says he shakes his head yes as he says no Pollak man that's one of his yeah always points out so that kind of that bugged me around the gate just saying his head shaking yes nodding yes as he's saying no well I would remind us that baseline matters if we went back and watched him he's not he's a product and mark you more than anybody can tell us this a politician is not Joe Biden he's Joe Biden dot-org right yeah product so we did have to look back at some of his oddities and then he shakes it's just we need to remind our the people that are watching that's important that we get a baseline we don't just yes and as we as we he goes through this interview which is a pretty tough interview I would say you know what we start to learn is is is how well does that product work under stress how well how well does his training stand up during this I would say already out of the gate it never ever happened and it didn't I don't think he ever rehearsed and putting hand II didn't afterwards that's that's his unconscious mind going oh I gotta be really in Phatak about about this one just in case you didn't believe me the first time around when I said it never ever happened it shows up again later he does some of that rambling I need to reinforce what I said before things so yeah mark I don't think you would coach your g7 leaders to say you can poke you can coach him and then there's what happens under the lights and the stress and the the stress of the interview all right you're a plan x1 yeah do you remember her do you remember any any types of complaints that she might have made I don't remember any type of complaint she may have made it was 27 years ago and I don't remember and nor does anyone else that I'm aware of and the fact is that I don't remember I don't remember any complaint ever having been made okay now think right out of the gate well a lot of people gonna think is that cop means something it may mean something small but at the very top of this he coughs I think he's trying to clears throat so that may not be what we usually people jump right on there sale sums up the thing jumps out at me and out of me one of the one of the biggies is that half shoulder that little love that little half shrug real quick uncertainty yeah totally certainty so what else he got mark you wanna go no no just unimpressed like you guys are really good at picking up those shrugs when when you were sharing notes about this earlier I was looking at all these shrugs going wow these you're really picking this stuff up so no my hat is just off to you Thanks all right chase where you get all we have immediately after the cough we have something called a positional shift which is where the butt moves in the chair and that's typically an anxiety response but it could be the anxiety that was produced from coughing on camera and knowing that there's going to be people like us somewhere out there analyzing this on the interwebs second as he's emphatically denying it we see another increase in blink rate which deviates wildly from his normal average blink rate I sampled at nine other interviews today and his average blink rate was an 11 so we went up to about a 27 during this emphatic denial here again followed by the shoulder shrug and one of the most roundabout strange answers I've heard in a very long time I've interviewed at least three people in my life and I've never heard an explanation like that so this was a roundabout answer that never really said no there was no clear no and and I called this is not just body language we're doing this is deception we're talking about the way a human being communicates that distancing and rambling is a way to let your brain scramble and think and if you're a quick thinker it can cover a lot of ground I mark I'm sure you use something like this but I always call those interjection words and you can build entire sentences that interject wow you think well he's not thinking as fast as he's interjecting is the only problem so he's scrambling a bunch of garbage into the sentence excuse me also in the training of somebody around this what might be done is to construct sentences on purpose in order that there's a get out further down the line well I didn't say no I said I I have no knowledge of anybody else who has any knowledge of of this he's almost I call this the matador constantly flipping around spinning your cape to make the bull pass you you just not as agile a matador as he once was he's quietly Weiner Anthony Weiner master really good absolute master and it's a master that so something else as well notice that y'all are gonna do this but as we go through notice how he starts he gets more of this shift he starts moving more as he goes along his little straighter started getting bigger but the more he talks about these files we're gonna get to in just a second watch how he starts moving more in his seat other than that he's not moving a whole lot as anyone who just saw outside that he's not moving until those files come up then he starts gonna see lot of scooting around so everybody good with that you're sure we move the next one have you or your campaign have you reached out to her no I have not reached out to her as 27 years ago there this never happened and when she first made the claim we made it clear that it never happened and that's as simple as that so come out of that anybody Greg what do you think what do you see yeah a couple things you know I'm a posture guy I pay attention to posture when people are denying things they typically are proud of denying they're going to tell you no but when they're not proud of things they shrink to make the target smaller and smaller now he's not a young man so I'll take that into account but anytime you've interrogate someone when you're getting close to the fact that shrinking person to make the target smaller is starting to happen now am I saying he is telling a lie no what I'm saying is he's feeling the pressure and he's trying to shrink that target you'll watch him throughout this interview shrink many times and pop back up in some cases because she calls me mr. vice president reminds him who yes in other cases he just is cognizant the only one I noticed is never happened never happened never happened he has a mantra he's repeating and you'll hear it throughout however he's still entangling that long drawn-out answer to a short question so aside from the body like me just the what he is saying and how he's saying it Jay mark where do you go yeah I mean I agree that what we're saying is long protracted answers that don't necessarily need to be there have you reached out to her no Jason I was fairly square on on Mark's point there that if I ask you do you sell drugs you're gonna say no and it's it's gonna be you don't need to emphatically deny anything or politicize it towards the end of that video we saw a shoulder shrug on his right shoulder towards the end there and it's another thing that just communicates for people that don't study body language that's the way that I teach it in my courses is that it indicates a lack of confidence and what's being said not deception a lack of confidence in the statement exactly mark let's talk just a second we talked earlier about you know and when we're deal with persuasion or trying to persuade somebody to do something we're trying to persuade someone to think along the lines we want to think what are you seeing in that background mark so one icon that I really and really it's a collection of icons it's a I would say it's a piece of pop art because it's a collection of some things are visible and some are not visible but the things that are the thing that's very very visible there is the football and my guess is is that's about fair play and winning a trophy for a fair play winner it's to put in our mind there we've got you know fair person here a winning person and therefore we should view everything that they say within that framework of fair and a winner one thing that isn't shown in this particular interview but does show up in some others is the folded flag as well and and you know there's other guys on this interview who will know about the fold it's like far better than I do but my understanding is is not only does it commemorate the death of a of a relative who was in the forces but also commemorates the binding of States together so it's a it's a sense of we're all together and in unity around this it doesn't show up in in this it's cropped out but just interesting to see what the Biden product and team are putting together the framework around him I think it equates to service for me chase I'm sure when you're retired you got to fold the flag and people you know I worked Arlington Cemetery that's the highest honor you can give to a family is that flag for burial folded and I think you're right that taps into you know a long life of service and the guy's been in public service since he was thirty I mean in Senate since he was thirty so I'm sure they're playing on that cool all right let's go the clip for in the past 30 minutes or so you've released a statement on medium and among other set things you you write this there's only one place a complaint of this kind could be the National Archives I am requesting that the Secretary of State ask the Senate asked the archives to identify any record of the complaint she alleges she filed if there was any such complaint the record will be there are you preparing us for a complaint that might be revealed in some way are you confident there is nothing I'm confident there's nothing no one ever brought it to the attention of me 27 years ago this is any assertion at all no one that I'm aware of in my campaign that I received my Senate office at the time is aware of any such request and or any such complaint and and so that I I'm not worried about it at all if there is a complaint that's where it would be that sure would be filed and if it's there put it out but I've never seen it no one has that I'm aware okay cool yeah it's a rather gate you can say she's asking the question you can see him bracing when she hits certain parts of that another thing earlier in the last in this last video we listened to before or watched before this one we heard me could take a big deep breath she's slowly ramp I think she's a little bit angry now but she's slower she's put out but she's ramping up being angry in a few minutes as we listen to this as we go through listen those big heavy sighs I'll point those out as we go but that's something tells you what were her minds or it's that's it but I think that bracing for the for the rest of the question that's important along with the pursed lips we'll see but you guys can talk about that Greg yeah you know you can see the fighter flights starting to rise anytime you get a fighter flight it turns off to systems that you don't need reproduction and digestion turns off all those all those mucous membranes and your mouth starts to get dry and you're starting to see it in him that's the tongue through the lips in this case wetting the lips you also can see that he is slumped and suddenly straightens himself back up to bases his opponent there's as you get further in that he does this is a very noticeable shoulder shrug for me when he says I am certain absolutely the exact body language you said it earlier chase to certainty is raising your right shoulder those are three really good indicators there's lots of others in there you can see it is rising in all those pieces but yet certainly there's a pattern emerging we got cheese oh wait thanks for losing you know microphone there you go I'm gonna go a different direction than Greg on the lip licking my view of this is as a hygienic gesture that he knows there's a question coming and the hygienic gesture like adjusting our hair or clothing is designed to improve our appearance I also think it's it's tied to fight or flight 100% but I think it's it's media management that he's been programmed for for years yep and as the question goes on I think part of that postural shift where his posture increases as he's pronouncing that nothing's gonna be found in these records his hands moved from inside his box to a little further out because he's more confident in that statement his postures increased and as he as the questions asked his blink rates around a twenty and towards the middle to end of that clip his blink rates up to almost 70 hmm I know we're talking about the illustrators when someone is their brain is emphasizing specific words and phrases they have that's what their hands do that's what they point at mark let's talk about what what is this what do you what is this area that Chase is talking about yes well I've coined that area a navel height as the truth plane simply because it doesn't mean if somebody's gesturing there that they're telling you the truth but it does influence and persuade others that they're being honest trustworthy because essentially they're being open at the solar plexus which is a very vulnerable area of the body and it says look there's no predators in the room I'm not a predator the this this environment is now a low risk environment so I'd agree with chase there would that we see him open up in the truth plane there and I would agree as well I think we see him rise to that maybe because he's hearing Mika regurgitate the script that's been offered which is he says that there they put out as she says they put out a statement yeah the statement I'm going to assume was written which means verbally was very easy to control that statement so now he's saying great she's got on to the statement that we controlled I'm now a little more confident around this situation now and so I wonder whether it could be excitement it could be like great we've got on to the stuff that we're now controlling good yeah I can see clearly when it starts that this is something he's comfortable with versus the other things that we will see he is very uncomfortable with as the breathing increases from Myka and she starts to really go after him and box him in then all of that goes away that's when he starts to ramble and fall apart yeah overall I saw higher honesty but also higher stress and relate the higher the blink rate is the more somebody's experiencing stress like the last time you watched a really cool movie that captured all of your focus your blink rate might have been around a 3 per minute and his was really high compared to that and that's one of the one of the reasons that that's so reliable is that it's unconscious we're not really aware of how often we're blinking all the time well there's there's physiology to that right as your body starts to take blood flow away from mucous membranes that is there to protect your I am wet your eye and when you drag a dry cloth over your eye you do it more times trying to wet trying to wet trying to wet we're primitive creatures we just forget we're primitive and our job is to point out how primitive we all are easily beautifully said now as we go through this one for the person watching not only you're looking for things and watching for listen to how they say things but listen to what's going on listen to the to the outside noises they make with what they're doing with their with their body with their clothes this is a great example coming up of what to listen for and you really don't it's it's tough to pay attention so we can't see everything going on but listen as well to what's happening and keep an eye on mica as well because she started ramp a little bit your Senate documents at the University of Delaware were supposed to go public and then they were resealed the access was changed I know that you're saying any HR complaints could be in the National Archives but why not reveal your tenant documents that are being held in Delaware I know there's 1800 plus boxes but if it's if she believes and she alleges that the complaints may be hidden there why not strive for complete transparency why was the access to those documents sealed up when they were supposed to be revealed well they weren't supposed to be revealed though I gave them the University the University said it's gonna take them time to go through all the boxes they said it wouldn't be and that wouldn't be before 2020 that that occurred or 2021 I can't remember the year they said but look her record like this can only be one place it would be at the it would not be the University of Delaware my archives do not contain personal files my archives contain document and I said that's what I say personal personnel files they don't contain any personnel files they're public records my speeches my paper is my position papers and if that document existed it would be stored in the National Archives were documents from the office she claims to have filed a complaint with are stored that's where those they are stored the Senate controls those archives so I'm asking the Secretary of the Senate today to identify whether any such document exists if it does make it public that's a great one wonderful yeah all right so come out of there we're here in all kinds of things were here in somebody writing it's it may be mica but we cut back to her and her arms are together usually so somebody somebody's either writing something to her and showing it to her because you can get these big underlying things going on or I don't think it's gel because it doesn't sound like it's in the same room that are the same room that he's in but we heard rubbing the pans one of the things people do when they're they know they're in trouble things aren't going well they'll start rubbing their pants and it sounds like his legs just about to pop on fire from he's like it sounds like you started to stop sort of campfire with his pants there especially there at the end were a story where just before he answers he see him pull his coat real real tight real quick I know Greg that's two of your favorite things that's one of them so rubbing the thighs to me I call that batter on deck if you ever watch a guy's standing getting ready to bat he's rubbing his thighs and people say he's trying to get sweat off responsible he'll his hands are covered in pine tar and gloves so it's not sweat he's rubbing his legs to relax and that's an it that's an adapter a body language piece that allows us to make familiar the unfamiliar so the more stressed we are the more those will do play with their ear women will troll their hair if I could find mine I might but then he moves immediately into other fighter flight things and he does a lip compression you see him start which is hiding information and you see him start to expose his lower teeth that's anger usually when a person does that headed toward rage and his trademark anger body language is that smile that Joe Biden smiled would hear people say that he immediately realizes he's about to look angry and goes into that Joe Biden smile as he blows out air when she says Tara Reed says here that explosive pushed away I think that's just discounting and then he's been doing this for so long that he's smart enough to know he doesn't need to huff and puff and he opens his mouth slightly to breathe through his mouth instead of flaring nostrils and doing all that this is showing how polished Joe Biden a politician really is but he's starting to look a little tattered from you know years as well as the pressure is being put on there's clearly fight or flight and he's moving his body around a bit to get away from it awesome mark what'd he get yeah the one I want to pick up on which I which I love is that Superman yeah that happens there because it shows up really well on his mic as well you can't see his hand doing it but you see it in the jacket I'm a little puppy and when she wants to make a point to me she goes like that and it and he kind of does the same he's - he does it later on where it when he thinks he's made a good point you know and that's it with now we're done where it's over by I'm in control of this now so that's starting to ramp up for him I want to say one more thing about this which is a piece of logic that he's putting forward which we're going to try and critically think around the tri-city tries to show up later on as well it's the idea that if if something isn't in the place it should be it doesn't exist now that's his piece of logic you know if if the any evidence would be in a specific report and that report would be in a specific place and if you can't find that report in a specific place then there is no evidence that isn't logic but he's gonna tell you later on it stands to reason that you shouldn't look in the Delaware papers because logic says nothing can be there but logic doesn't say that at all critical thinking would say it possibly something possibly there now we I'm not saying that there is a complaint in those Delaware papers but certainly there's something he would prefer people don't see or hear about in those I would suggest this first comes up is when you see the anger now you see that you know this is a thing he's been trying to avoid is this Delaware papers it feels like in this whole show yeah geez I agree and if if anybody's ever watched an episode of the old detective show Columbo which Scott and I are huge fans of I think Greg Martin okay everybody is it is a master class in psychology that entire show but one thing you see in every episode is what I call in interrogations the singular justification and I'm pushing this one narrative the bad guys in all the show's every show I've seen it in interrogations I've seen in interviews I'll say if this is true then I have to be innocent this has to exist and nothing's there that makes every makes sense to you and that should make sense to you and one thing if you're watching this you can go back to the beginning in this video and see some really strong chin boss movement here and this is the grief or shame muscle which we've rightly called it by the guy who did all the research Paul Ekman we see up strong right there and then the moment that that the interviewer says she alleges you see that contempt smile facial expression he shows the contempt very strongly on the right side of his face the moment that the accuser is brought up that Terra's brought up now let's talk about the right side of his face as well he said this is a little brain surgery I believe and I don't think his face is working in an asymmetric fashion like a normal person's you've seen those pictures where he's smiled like that you've got that thing that Joe Navarro talks about where you have that the asymmetric emotions you have one thing over here and one thing going over here he's got these great examples of that so I think I agree with you but at the same time let's take in consideration what is let's pay attention that what his face does most of that smiles happened over there as well it's on that side so that my it's you're probably right it's probably disdain that he feels toward that but he's he's is inability to show that I think it's because his mouth is that side of his face doesn't work the same as the other side but into that you know blow when when he mentions that she believes and he blows an excuse her I think all of it together when you talk clusters you see that there's certainly a go away and if you look Scott a hundred percent agree with you and I had to watch that and because you're saying right in here everybody says like you know these behavior experts will get it the first time I had to watch that video of five or six times on slow motion and the the difference in his regular smile versus that clip was that this part of the face which is heavily involved in contempt was involved tenfold more in in that expression so I thought it was there's a high likelihood that there was there was contempt at the mention of Terra's name yeah yeah yeah you're probably right I'm I'm agreeing with you but I'm say let's keep in mind that that was part of this yeah and that's good for the viewers to know too yeah yeah all right now as we go out of this next one pay attention and I keep bringing me yet but this fascinates me because watch how angry she starts getting so we're starting to see her get into her lip compression went when he starts saying look every time says let's get this straight every time he says something to her Greg calls that like the teaching what do you what's the term you call it Greg was people are doing that you know when they're batoning I'm whipping you inside yeah he's doing it to her verbally he answers the answers every difficult question every one that's really hard he starts with the word look yeah the whole interview does a good part of this never watched Joe Biden his whole life and that's what he does we've all watched him if you remember the debate he's he's reminding her of his position of such an and that's the thing you talk about Scott where I'm the teacher you're the student look you I'm the vice president you're an interviewer there's a million of you on the radio look at these four guys I pay for their own show bring him on here we get the same treatment I'm one of a kind there many of you is kind of that that mindset the teacher is the same way that teacher in the role of saying look I'm telling you you're not telling me and I think that's what you're saying Shaw nobody what is that quite a bit yeah they're going to add one thing to that which is certainly the training that I give politicians I will train them to use the word now look and what we're trying to do is get the audience to look at the picture to actually because because the audience are doing something else right now everybody's doing something else and not watching this and what I want is that politicians trainers for the audience to look up from that whatever else they're doing and see the image and not don't care about what they listen to I'm suspecting they're not listening right now but what I want to say what I wanted to say is a strong good image a positive image so he may be using at times with that look but adding you know something of an aggressive you know pointed nature to his expression of it but he may be using that technique of trying to get his audience to look at the imagery it's like a saddest reminder and a focus enhancer doesn't just be a catch for a placeholder for him to give him his brain time to think of the next answer we all use that every one of us we're standing in front of a group of people who ask us a hard question we haven't considered before right right there's a guy named Charles Stanley dr. Charles Stanley oh yeah he's a preacher on TV and we don't go to church that's what we'll watch you know my parents watch it well watch it too as well and that's what he says all the time now look at this leave this look any Isis look so that's mark that mate I don't know if he's if you've trained him before but if he if you did you did a great job at it if I had I couldn't possibly tell you all right well now this next one again keep it on on Mika because here's where he says let's get this straight watch out she starts she starts getting fired up and worked up on this it's it's wonderful right but there are claims and concerns and reports and Business Insider and she claims that possibly a complaint or some sort of record of this might be at the University of Delaware so for complete transparency why not push for the release of any documents with Tara Reid's name on them whether it's at the University of Delaware or the National Archives first of all let's get this straight there there are no personnel documents but you can't do that you wouldn't for example if you worked with mayor I work for you and you had my my income tax returns you had my whatever their their private documents they're not for them they don't they don't get put out in the public they're not part of the public record that in fact is that any senator or a vice president or Prez has in their documents if look there was one place that she could file the complaint and the plane then and that office at the time was all those records from that office are in the archives and they're controlled by the Senate that's where personnel documents would be if they exist that's where the complaint would be if it exists what she get mad she's here breathing hey be there at the end there as well well Gregor do you see him well the first one and I know you hit blink rate over and over and over and you're probably counting blank I didn't but he looks like he's about to take off from Pilot clutter there I don't know how he can even even make contact and now I missed one of them I was gonna make a note he also gets to the point where he starts to go back and tether he's going back to the thing he's argued before look this thing is there I do believe look is a catchphrase for him because he uses it casually you may use it also to be emphatic and to say hey pay attention you're absolutely right Mika's getting quite thin she angry about about this I would I would suggest and Biden now is going to this idea of look he just don't get it you just don't understand you don't understand how this works you can't go and find something where it should never be and again for me this push of that logic defies logic because she's gonna come up come back with a simple idea of just a name search just search the name we're not looking for anything else other than a name and he put so much effort into this argument that we're gonna see him really get stumped by this very simple idea of just searching for a name in the Delaware papers he did something I've seen an interrogation many many times and I'm gonna say this can be edited out but my [ __ ] meter gets pegged when somebody does this as if they can't understand what you're saying they're squinting too reduce the amount of data they're taking in they're tilting their head and they're going what I can't be that almost every time I interrogated someone proceeded a big lie and me uncovering that they were in fact doing exactly what we thought they had done and that is it's an eight I mean you can look at what they're doing to see it him as very odd I would not have ever expected chase you've done as many interrogations as I have probably I'm sure you see the same thing in you Scott I don't know what you would call it but that's my term for it you know they're they're limiting information they're trying to appear as if they don't understand what you're talking about by the whole concern look he does it twice in this video chase I absolutely agree that little squint I've seen at least a couple of times and in the you can see the interviewer Mika's just getting more and more incredulous so and her squinting in response to his answer is starting to go up and towards the end of this when he gets more confident his blink rate goes down to just about nothing and he's staring at the camera and if you look at the books from the 1970s it'll say people who break eye contact are more likely to lie that's not true and I think everybody here will agree with that or hell yeah it's a hundred percent true yeah these were the first things they talked about well we'll make just because that myth is so pervasive that people are more likely to stare you directly in the eye not blink stare right at the camera and along with what Greg was saying about the the blink rate we had high fluttering behavior in the beginning and I teach that there's a difference between blink rate and shutter speed that blink rate is a fear indicator and shutter speed the the speed that the eyelid shuts and then opens back up again if that changes then that means something so if it goes from slow movements to fast movements we think of an animal that's afraid all the time like a chihuahua they're always on the lookout for a predator so they're minimizing the amount of time that their eyes shut so that shutter speed increases and finally towards the end when you see him kind of adjust posture a little bit you see the humerus bones pull in towards his body and if there's one thing that fear does to our bodies it makes us protect arteries even the facial expression of fear the first muscles to move are the middle-class toyed muscles down here and they actually move in front of the carotid artery these arms move back into the body to protect the brachial artery so we see a little bit of a withdrawal of the humerus bone squeezing into the body there all right and now that we're talking about when you look at the breaking eye contact that's one of the most like we said famous myths there are and so let's go into that just just a little bit deeper from what I've studied before I understand Fleniken says and and and the other research shows is the reason someone keeps looking at you when you're lying too is because they want to make sure you believe them and are they believe you know that as you're talked to so they will say something and wait and they'll keep looking at their blink rate goes way down yeah so good most people on the impression that goes way up is they're lying to you and they'll break eye contact at the same time if they when you if you don't say anything if you'll pause after they actually finish the answer you just sit there looking at and they'll start adding things to it to make their answer more believable Greg you're squishy already got yeah yeah I'm squishing around because they're two things right i movement I can simply fix that for you if you're watching us right now answer this question and pay attention to your own eyes what's the fifth word of the star-spangled banner' well you're gonna find as you try to listen to words your eyes move around in your head now we have to look for a baseline and what's normal for you but if I ask you a question I need an answer - your eyes are gonna search for the data and bring it back to me so that blows that myth out of the water and the thing you're talking about I call glassy is when a person is so focused on you that nothing else matters because they're trying to figure out whether you're perceiving them as positive or negative that's all that stuff allows so many people to get away with lies it's just insane cool all right let's move on let's go to our next clip and again listen these are she's getting all worked up now so let's listen to her as well given the fact that you have said in the past that if a woman goes under the lights and talks about something like this we have to consider that the essence of this is real is the essence of what she is saying is real why do you think she's doing this I'm not gonna question her motive I'm not gonna get into that at all I don't know why she's saying this I don't know why after 27 years all of a sudden this gets raised I don't understand it but I'm not going to go in and question her motive I'm not going to attack her she has a right to say whatever she wants to say but I have a right to say look at the facts check it out find out whether any of them what she says is a certain or true and based on the investigations that have taken place so far to the best of my knowledge by two major papers they interviewed dozens of my staff members not just senior staff but staff members I'm told at least that's what they said and nobody this was not the atmosphere in my office at all no one has ever said anything like this we're starting now she's because at the spot where she's got her arms crossed at some points we all know that doesn't mean just means you don't want to hear what somebody has to say you're turned off those types of things and so as this goes along she'll be doing that but watch for the adapters to start where she started squeeze her arm and as Jo Navarro calls it the self pacification as she starts doing those also notice his answers are getting longer he's adding more to him he's making him sound remember his first out right out of the gate his first question the answer's no as he said yes you know so and it was just a few words after that now they've got to these long almost rambling answers so let's baby listen to his cadence listen to his cadence it's animated inhuman at the moment not regurgitated and pasted right it's getting ready to start looping here just yet trying to regurgitate what he remembers and interjecting whatever craziness comes out along with it but yes right now it's still human and animated and all of that yeah yeah I want to pick up on something sorry to jump in there I want to pick up on something that Joe Navarro says about the the folded arm which he puts it in the context of comfort rather than it being you know display or stress or being closed what I think might be happening from Myka here in her crossing of the arms is is I think she knows she's heading to get him on the ropes here and I think she also knows at the same time she could get out of control so she's got to control herself now to keep this on track yeah because because one of the simplest things people are gonna say is oh she got out of control she she didn't ask questions where she you know she knows that that you know as the female presenter here against the male the vice president she's a target okay so I think she's doing the right thing which is to go I'm gonna button this one right down cuz I'm now coming in strong and I'm not gonna get knocked off on this one so she tightens it down for herself there again so she can be comfortable that she's in control and she's gonna do a great job here which I think she does cool I always teach that this means nothing if you read it alone just like the amusement thing earlier means nothing because if I do this and look down my glasses at you it means something much different than if I'm leaned back and looking the way I also teach that and you start to rub and cross you're creating something I call sacred space it gives you room and it gives you control of the environment you're in so as you're ramping up it's a great way to read to take some control back more to your point if a person is feeling awkward or feeling like they might lose control as they move forward so yeah sacred space is a worker chase with the arm cross thing I love I'm really fascinated just being in here learning how you guys teach this differently that's so cool but I teach that arm crossing is is irrelevant ignore it but if someone's crossing their arms the one thing and pay attention for is Digital flexion the fingers starting to dig in towards the arms which depending on the context is either some kind of self soothing self restraint or disagreement it could be one it depends on what's what's going on so I think there's a little bit of self restraint a little bit disagreement going on in this context for sure and we see Joe I think I'm the first one to comment on on Joe's response here is he has something called that Barbara and Allen peas wrote about in their book there's a for anybody that's probably in this group right here with we've read the book it's the definitive guide to body language by Barbara and Allen piece I cut my teeth on their on their work and Julie is fast but he exhibits something called a downward cast head and in the in the definitive book of body language Allen peas puts a picture of Marilyn Monroe looking through the top of her eyes and that's at the very beginning of his answer and that that is the communication of innocence and an openness and just being frail and vulnerable and he calls out the motive and wants to specifically address the person's motive for doing this not the reason he doesn't say reason he says motives and he says motive several times throughout this response which is suspicious at best it doesn't really it's nothing definitive and he says look at the facts he doesn't say it never happened again he says let's look at the facts let's examine this let's look at everything that happened and let's look at all the all the data and if it's there then it's there he doesn't say this never happened again and if I'm talking to you if you're watching this video if I'm sitting across the table from you or in a news interview like this and I say why not do this your response any a truthful response would include this didn't happen I'm happy to do whatever you want there you'll never find any evidence anywhere this didn't happen we'll refer back to our statement of innocence and one thing we learn in interrogation courses which everybody here probably knows that everybody kind of gets angry in the interrogation room innocent people stay angry in the interrogation ricky al angry the anger dissipates over time when we talk to a guilty person and we're seeing the dissipation here a little bit and then we see something called that I call exclusions to the best of my knowledge as far as I know if memory serves if I recall correctly these statements and there's a way that the exclusions are not not deceptive if I say Scott are you cooking meth in your garage and you say oh not to the best of my knowledge that's deceptive what if I say Scott is the guy who lives six doors down from you cooking meth in his garage and you say not to the best of my knowledge that's that could be truthful right so it depends on the question so his response based on the question is potentially deceptive and he follows that up with another deception indicator that I teach called a resume statement where he he talks about how many staff have been spoken to the quality of his office that how his office has been run so if I'm talking to a person interrogation room and I say what happened when that 14 year old girl was sitting in your passenger seat and you guys were parked at the softball field and he goes on to explain how he has a master's degree he's been volunteering for ten years it's a very similar response and we call a resume statement apologized for the for the long answer that's a great would that last part the two things you have when I look at Joe there's one interesting thing when she's saying you've said this before and if you believe Morris that's distaste or whatever you wanted whatever you were to call it doesn't mean Morris said that babies that's their first note just pushing something out it can also mean distaste just interesting timing it could be meaningless it's interesting timing and as you get into that long rambling thing he does if you look at the mechanics of it you look at mechanics of the rambling it's disqualifying to your point it's distancing it's all of those pieces you got man watching there you got the naked ape is best right yeah this is people watching man watching this just came today and I'm so bummed out because it's falling apart that's the best thing I could get the pine bound men are men watching but yeah I think the key for me there is that long rambling thing he does it's the beginnings of him thinking for himself even if he was coached to say X or Y and trying to interject and you'll start to see he's getting back on script as he goes further add they totally agree cool all right let's move on it's what's useful that but mr. vice president as it pertained to dr. Ford everyone wanted that high level Democrat said she should be believed that they believed it happened you said if someone like dr. Ford were to come out the essence of what she is saying has to be believed has to be real no I know what is real for dr. Ford but not for Tara Reid there because the facts are that look she I'm not suggesting she had no right to come forward and I never and I'm not saying any woman's they should come forward they should be heard and then it should be investigated it should be investigated and if there's anything that makes it that is consistent with what's being said and she makes the case or their case is made then it should be believed but all the way of the truth matters the truth matters its period I fought my entire life to change to change the whole notion of the law and the cultural sexual around the coast around sexual assault and I fought the strengthen and protect the process for survivors I believe we've come a long way and we have a long way to go in this system before we in fact are in a position that there's a fair and unbiased view but all that end of the day it has to be looked at these claims are not true there's no corporate I mean they're not true isn't this a great example of can we just read out my resume a written campaign is hard here yeah thanks on the ground they start saying look my whole life and and and and this is important and we still are falling short and if you if you shoot me now I won't be able to do this right diff exactly exist one thing with that we all say an interrogation room like once I walk out that door it's a I can't help you anymore yeah yeah well he's using that request for approval really hard in this one because it's something he knows well and his brows up and he's waiting and he's hoping he's hoping that something will turn here and it does but not in his directions if we go back to the beginning of this right when he starts his answer there's a look of absolute sadness like a child that's been caught doing something and I challenge you to go back and look at it and there is a a bodily facial resemblance of surrender there you said if someone like dr. Ford were to come out the essence of what she is saying has to be believed has to be real no I know what is real for dr. Ford but not for terror raid and he immediately regains ground by saying look again which maybe is his power word that brings him back into a mental state of feeling powerful there because the facts are that look she I'm not suggesting she had no right to come forward and she says you know what about these documents and he says if there's anything he doesn't say there's nothing he says if there's anything then it can be investigated and there is a massive eyes squeezed shut as he's saying it's not true the second time because he's where he's repeated it twice as he says it the second time the eyes are just locked shut and if you watch it again you remember the thing I was saying earlier about shrinking how small he is in that video and again he's not a big he's a little older but he is getting smaller and smaller and I agree with you the sadness is in his face and he's getting smaller and smaller in that image and then he starts to toss all of that information back and and try to gain some ground Marius Stacey Abrams said during the Cavanaugh hearings I believe women I believe survivors of assault should be supported and divorce is heard Kirsten Gillibrand tweeted do we believe women do we give them the opportunity to tell their story we must be a country that says yes every time they now both support you Nancy Pelosi falls into this category too as well as many other leaders in the Democratic Party or women to be believed or women to be believed unless it pertains to you look women are to be believed given the benefit of the doubt if they come forward and say something that is that they said happened to them they should start off with the presumption they're telling the truth then you have to look at the circumstances and the facts and the facts in this case do not exist they never happened and there's so many inconsistencies in what has been said in this case so you just look at the facts and I assure you it did not happen period period I think coming out I think coming it out and he's gassed I think he's getting tired you get that mouth open his breathing rate is he's getting his readings getting deeper it could be the fight of flight he's probably got that going on his pride his brains probably flipping out his limbic system but at the same time I think he's gassed he looks like he's he's lost energy right in there right in there's when it hits him I think what do you think chase yeah we saw at the at the beginning we saw a big postural bump this postural shift and I stole that I stole that word from Tonya Ryman believe it or not well I think we'll have on the show here pretty soon but after after that postural bump we saw a little bit of confusion come across the face it's just uncertain on how to answer uncertain how to respond to the question or uncertain about the question I'm not sure of course we don't know blink rate goes up to 65 per minute and keep in mind the average is about 11 per minute give or take and an interesting statement that I've never heard in my life before and he says the facts in this case don't exist which I thought was unusual to say the least that bugged me too I couldn't figure out never heard that before either but I kept running that thinking the facts don't exist there wasn't she come back and we were of course were used to when no matter what they say we'd come back with something but me and that would seem like such a because a long bright baseline for a minute Joe is you know pony face dog boy or whatever he came up with so he does some unusual word patterning so I wouldn't take too much into that although I agree with you it's an odd statement when he goes to that thing where he looks kind of out of it to me that's an internalization he's just disengaged outs outside for a second or two and I'm not sure when I would love to see the face-to-face when I'm looking at is he looking at her and seeing all of this stuff going on with mica or is it an internalization when he says Stacey Abrams has said and is it an internalization to realize how much political damage this may be taking but he certainly disengages from her and from the camera and goes into an internal kind of a set very quickly she's be kidding you can see her getting angry yes other things they tell you she's so maybe there may be sketching some of that I mean he's gonna be reacting to that for sure I mean exhalation there was really loud but he would have seen that I suspect he would certainly hear that if he's not watching her carefully you know whether that is a an exhalation around exasperation or trying to rebalance oxygen and carbon dioxide again to keep control of herself because my guess is is she knows she's heading in the right direction now and she's she's doing very well at keeping him on the roads here he she would know he's now in trouble he's turned to run chase agreed okay but why is it different now do you regret what you said during the Cavanaugh hearings well I said during the Cavanaugh here is was that she had a right to be heard and the fact that she came forward the presumption would be she's telling the truth unless his proof she wasn't telling the truth they're not proved this is clear for the facts surrounding it it's not the truth what I like about this and and and you know you would know techniques around this better than I would she's giving them the in the opportunity here to sign up for regret and my guess is is because if you could sign somebody up to regret you might if Bella they might sign up to some other emotions around some other stuff to tell me guys what what are you thoughts on that case I open every one of my interrogation courses with a single quote from the art of war and that is build your opponent a Golden Bridge upon which to retreat and I think that's what she's doing she's getting him starting a small scale in a retreat of retreat of if that's a word process mm-hmm it's it's funny chase you say that my last note from the next few minutes is that he's protecting his retreat with all of this language that he's building he's protecting his retreat planes all that that I'm aware of or this or that and in this one I noticed one specific piece of body language and it also was in his voice and that's that request for approval believe me believe me believe me and his forehead is up all time yeah I notice there's a lot of a lot of the eyebrow flash or whatever you guys call it behavior where the the eyebrows go up and for anybody watching for all primates which which include humans the anger like if you're watching this video now and you make an anger facial expression it makes your eyebrows go down and together and the opposite of that is is the eyebrow flash we communicate innocence and and being non-threatening using that that eyebrow flash will it's also an indicator of I already know you we're already friends ok nicety about the brow always is it's the single most important important part of the face to me because it's what we use to socialize if I want to make contact with you from across the room that does it if I do a quick eyebrow flash and I'm sure you guys who have interrogated have done this you find two people who supposedly don't know each other you want to ask each other in their browser eyes just that easy it's the organ of engagement for for humans interestingly for me I find like in Asperger's and people who have that not as much brow engagement so you notice it when you talk to them it's I did a thing for neurotypical for a movie and I walked and talked with these folks and a lot of them I noticed didn't use as much eyebrow engagement of course these brain fields and residuals if you do that yeah it's our communication to them as we this is a very I'm sorry guys please English as we await for the records from the National Archives are you absolutely certain are you absolutely positive there is no record of any complaint by Tara Reed against you I am absolutely positive that no one that I'm aware of ever has been made aware of any complaint a formal complaint made by or complaint by Tara Reid against me at the time this allegedly happened 27 years ago or until the I announced for prep well it was guess who was in April or May of this year I've known no one who's aware that any complaint was made yeah this is my favorite of the entire thing he took a yes-or-no question and answered with about a twenty seven word answer that is just if you heard its cadenced as if he's practiced it and at the same time bungled and a mess this is marks were gone bad a train wreck in front of the camera number one he distances from the answer we always wonder if I say so chase did you kill this woman and he goes well it depends on how you define kill well he's distancing he also shifts to that new cadence it indicates he had a a statement a prepared statement that he bungles he gets so legalistic and hedging in this it's a Faustian deal hey Satan can I have X well sure let's make a contract that's us that's a Faustian deal if you ever heard one where he's trying to parse every detail as he's working through and his request for approval is certainly there his blink rate is up and all of this every one of those Faustian details is a way to listen back to your statement earlier chase a way to protect his retreat everything he's saying is protecting his back that's all it is mark pretty good there's nothing more than can be said about about that other than yes look you can you can train people how to spin but when if they spin too much if they're spinning yours spin and it's wheels within wheels I mean it's not you can't a human being can't follow that so you know I altum Utley there's there's some thought patterns there that don't sign up to our usual way of just trying to explain to somebody it didn't happen no chase in my deception training and teach if someone removes you from the answer twice there's a high likelihood of deception well if you ask me did you kill that guy well you know according to this and this BAM that's twice removed so if you're watching this video I challenge you to go back and I'll check that I'll check the comments go back and count how many times did did we get removed if I'm imagining this scenario how many times did I get removed from that man by date or time or person or group or anything else that takes us out of the yes-or-no question let's see how many times we got that's a great distance yeah yeah you know often often in in in the the training of somebody like this what we might do is to create some of that distancing or what we might call nested loops so interruptions non-sequiturs but then at the end of that we'd only usually do three rounds at the end of that you'd make a very clear statement you know I did there so this so there you know so it never happened and what you're hoping for is that the confusion that will mean that when you give a clear statement everybody signs up for the statement goes well thank goodness that it was understandable so I'll sign up with with that I mean doesn't even happen here it is a disaster on a stick one of the things I teach and I teach how to use confusion in a kind of a weaponized way but you know our brain when we're confused acts like we're just thrown into the deep end of a pool in the middle of the night it's pitch dark what's the first thing our body does we're gonna flail around we're gonna move around arms and legs and the first solid object that we touch we're gonna we're gonna grab it hard even if it's a thorn bush we're gonna grab it so during confusion you know I teach that the brain acts that much the same way and if there's a logical statement after that like Mark said we'll accept it we'll grab on to it the brain does it there's also a piece and I teach this when I'm talking to people about email deception and email when people write an email that is deceptive they'll go through and doctor the hell out of that email and they'll leave gaps in places and you know unless you're using a tool to pick that up people don't but as a result of that when you go through and edit your document and push all of that data to the end there's junk there you have to go and clear out it sounds like he's done the same thing mentally and forgotten to clear out the junk at the end of the statement and he's just continuing to ramble whatever he's heard and it's just spitting it out yeah and he's been doing double-talk for decades he's a senator for how many decades so he knows how to say something with no content but this is not the time to say something with no content and this messy did anybody catch her chin yet guys no I was doing watching him oh man I was through it I kept watched I started watching her and she boy she is Pio tat this CAD rant but yeah she gets a hardcore old-school chin jet up on him so guys all right here we go next one the first is ambassador University of Delaware records do you agree with reporting that those records were supposed to be revealed to the public and then they were resealed for a longer period of time until after you leave quote public life and if you agree with that if that's what happened why did that happen because look the fact is that there's a lot of things that of speeches I've made positions I've taken interviews that that I did overseas with people all of those things related to my job and the idea that they would all be made public in the fact while I was running for public office they could be really taken out of context the papers are position papers they are documents that existent and and that that when I was for example when I go when I met with Putin or when I met with whomever and all of that to be fodder in a campaign at this time and I don't know of anybody who's done anything like that and so the National Archives is the only place there would be anything having to do with personnel records there are no personnel records in the Biden papers at the University who wants to go first I guess his his argument here is that the sensitive stuff in there it's kind of maybe even secret stuff and you shouldn't really go in there and also it was kind of said that people wouldn't just kind of maybe promise to me that they wouldn't do that and so again he's this is now gonna be his best argument and so I just want to bring that up because we're gonna see how that argument pans out for him for me this might be the most lucid few seconds of video I've seen and you can see he's navigating something he's prepared and even there's a point where if you watch all the muscles in his forehead is he has awareness happen as his or head Rises and he's cognizant of what's going on and he he isn't almost like a moment that he lights up where he's inserting a piece of data he almost forgot you could you can't miss the body language to go back and watch of his brow waking and him saying okay look yeah oh there's something else in moments for you but he's you can see his hands starting to walk down this is the thing mark I was saying he looks like the first time I saw an amateur theater guy regurgitating Shakespeare's hands are doing this right right it's almost like he's it's the logical possession progression if this then this then this then this practiced and I think he's got it I think this is an area where he feels comfortable and he knows exactly what he's saying that's the most elusive moment I start the entire thing at the top of that he looks like a little boy who's getting in trouble and she looks like a mom he's getting mad cuz that's when she starts with her adapters of the peso classification of Jose it's of his squeezing her arms and she's getting into it his eyebrows go up he's this looks like a lot felt sorry for over so he's felt like it looks like a little kid I didn't break the cookie jar I promise yeah yeah Jase yeah we had that same kind of surrender confusion in the beginning like he was a little kid getting yelled at and that moment that Gregg talked about that I didn't pick up on extremely well where he just kind of came back to life and used the look phrase again and every time he talks about anything he wants you to believe and buy into he's gesturing and leaning over to his right every time he's talking about the Delaware papers he starts moving over here to his left and you can watch that throughout the entire interview it's dead it's here's the here's the stuff you want to take and Delaware papers aren't a big deal these are that you were repetitive theme street magician right never mind what's going on Curtin okay all right now this next one's really interesting because we've seen him do like a big tongue jut here which is like another one that that Greg goes to it's one of his go twos but didn't you see him again he starts bracing himself throughout this you see you've seen majest and then brace himself to get ready for the and this is a biggie so because it's and it's starting to get little bit hairy for him so personnel records aside are you certain there was nothing about Tara Reid in those records and if so I'm absolutely sure why not why not approve a search of her name in those records approve a search of her name yes and the only thing that might be related to Tara Reid in the University of Delaware records there is nothing they wouldn't they're not there and if they had you know I don't understand what your point you're trying to make the point I'm trying to make is that you are approving and actually calling for a search of the National Archives records of everything pertaining to Tara Reid I'm asking why not do the same in the University of Delaware records which have raised questions because they were supposed to be revealed to the public and then they were sealed for a longer period of time why not do it for both sets of records because the material in the University of Delaware has no personnel files that it has but it does have a lot of confidential conversations that I had with the president about a particular issue that I had with the heads of state of other places that that would not be something that would be revealed while I was in public office or while I was seeking public office it just stands the reason the best of my knowledge no one else has done that either I'm just talking about her name not anybody else in those records a search for that the moment after she asked him that question was fabulous when there was an extremely awkward silence right there and then she takes a big inhale like she's about to talk and then joe biden's quiet and then she waits for him to talk and he goes men search for that do you guys remember this scene silence is a powerful tool yeah I mean she uses it really well there's that there's a standoff around that a little bit later on in this interview where they both go quiet and of course Myka hosta come in with something because you know advertisers are paying for that stuff to happen in the news not for nothing to happen and just so you know it's it's again what are the one of the techniques we teach politicians is if you don't want to answer the question just do nothing very time right time completely still because it will maybe even just look like you frozen and the the interviewer has to fill the space eventually so we get that a little bit later on the the thing that I just want to point out about this coming back to the the critical thinking is he uses the idea here of it just stands to reason and the idea is is that when you mention reason or logic or something like this most people will go oh okay then oh yeah sorry I'm not being reasonable what you said is reasonable or or you know so it's just logical it's just reasonable it's just reason most people will comply around this she doesn't comply Myka doesn't go oh and yeah I'm sorry yes sorry that is reasonable oh that is logical she carries on and that's why he's now in trouble is that she's not gonna buy this it's his reason around this there's one question I wish she would have asked is one of those confidential discussions between you and Barack Obama about sexual harassment charges yeah that would've been great follow-on question yeah keep them on the on the roast but because why do you bring up confidential between us why don't you just say notes from my vice presidency you know we always say people leak what they're thinking maybe there's the smoking gun why doesn't want that done of course if I were running for White House and look at the other piece we talked about context this is a culmination of a 50-year political career and this one thing big as it is surely seems like a little thing to him at this point I would imagine you know he's reaching for the for the ring as close as he's going to get and now this and there's a certain amount of frustration that's natural for that even if he didn't do anything there's a certain amount of frustration you know I think we need that in mind as we're watching his body language that we don't read because it's easy for us to see everything that as we're paying attention to it let's remember that element of this whole thing because that's gonna create its own version of this body language as well the frustration that anger that that I was actually concerned did he actually understand what she was asking in the beginning because he was so far down the path mark that you're talking about that he was already starting to close the gate in his mind hey of course this is reasonable and right well I think he I think he thinks he's got it because he does that jacket pull again to go on it done it had reasonable there's my argument no more be said about it anything he's so totally wrong he doesn't have it yeah he's good in it yeah one thing we really notice in this clip is that we see him making statements and without analyzing any of the nonverbal behavior so if you strip this clip down to the audio we would still I would personally still score it as deceptive no matter who it is if it's a Republican I'm gonna do the exact same thing of course none of us are gonna be biased in any of our our decisions here especially on this channel here and it's just the audio by itself especially in this clip and and and the one that we just watched is what I would rate is highly there's a high potential for deception one quick note guys I think this is an important when Trump is gonna get the same treatment at some point you ever when we're all we're gonna have these guys we're gonna do after shows for debates we're gonna take these guys all to the mat this is not going to be the Biden show we're going after anybody really yeah like we say at the top or not political if we calm like we see him that's really important we have one left if you could speak directly to Tara Reid about her claims or anything what would you say I would this never ever happened I don't know what is motivating her I don't know what I don't know it's behind any of it but it's irrelevant it never happened it never happened period I'm not gonna start questioning her her her her her motive I'm not gonna get into that I'm not gonna start I'm not gonna go after Tara Reid for saying these things it's simple what are the facts through any of the things she said do they add up yeah I ran out of the gate on that one you could see him you see the pursed lips he doesn't want to date he knows what he wants to say to her but he's not gonna say a word unless the same to her so see in chase she brought up earlier that cleansing lips he's preparing for a statement in this one that is a fighter flight that's nothing he's ready to get that thing going the other one for me is there certainly anger you talked earlier about brow being a powerful tool there's certainly anger in that statement with his brow down and his chin drawing the this one is he's trying to tie all these elements back together and give a closing statement to his debate you guys are gonna see some things I didn't but for me I see him as trying to be cognizant trying to be as polished as he possibly can and as a politician and just trying to save what he probably should have said all along never happened it never happened period there would have been a great stop point yeah I mean I think what he does here is something quite clever in that what she does with her question is to put him in a perceptual positioning situation you know if you if if you had a hair what would you say to her and so it go you go into an imaginative state right then when you to a mastiff state you get more potentially more emotional and so what the interviewer is al is is suggesting is that he get into an emotional state right now I think he was just about to do that I think it was just about to do an enactment of being with Reed and talking to her and he stops himself and and that's really clever because he stopped himself showing emotion here and then he gets into a statement where he departs from her he positions itself away from her I would say which again it is better for his his general position and that makes sense at the beginning he blinks out the question and I've heard several experts refer to this as the windshield wipers kind of clearing the mind before we we answered her question so we see a much stronger blink out at the beginning of his answer and then he goes back he ignores the get into character or get into the the imagination thing that Fritz Perls kind of scenario and he just goes back to the statement pieces that are written somewhere and he's talking about motive he's talking about I won't address her I'm not gonna accuse her of anything I'm the motive behind it he's saying the motive behind it and he goes right back to his final statement before he makes his denials of asking what are the facts what are the facts I think I think I just want to pick up on that chase because I mean it's it makes me think about something you said before in our last talk together when you were talking about you know creating entertainment really and influence and persuasion and and propaganda essentially which is this idea of create a seed of doubt and the idea of motive I don't know what motivates her creates a seed of doubt in people and so my guess is is what we start to see is that seed of doubt around motive exploited certainly if I were helping on this that's what I'd be trying to do is exploit this idea of well there must be a motive in there that motive can't be good so let's let's start this doubt going already so we can exploit that area that word always carries heavy connotations especially in politics what's your motivation what's your motive right that kind of thing for me watching this whole thing I would say if I wrapped him up I would say there's a pattern of uncertainty I think he's not certain what is out there what's in this record what's in that record yeah is a pretty good feel for that might not be here but the other one could be a mess I also think he has a lot of preparation for denial we hear it in the rehearsed and bungled he has containment around fight or flight somebody's coached him I mean he's been in this a long time he knows what he's doing he distances from complex things and pushes you use turns I use distancing he's pushing himself as far away from the danger as he possibly can and then he's it he's clearly a polished politician who's been at this a long time but he's frayed he is not the politician of 20 years ago or that I mean he's not the guy was even ten years ago in terms of dealing with us his first time he's been put on the griddle for this one usually it's something else hard to say this guy was lying about this we see patterns of deception in places but would any of us put our hand on raise our hand and say this guy's lying about that that he did it look offer will to point out where things are in my opinion you guys have a different opinion yeah beYOU know only that only that I would have a lot of certainty I think around there's something in the Delaware papers oh good eye yes that would would hurt him and I don't know what it is could be something to do with read nothing to do with read I have no idea I don't think we can tell but I think I would I would you know I would put my life down that there's some in there something good something he doesn't want getting out he wants a cap on that that's the one I would put because you see it in his in his recognition when they first bring it up oh that kind of well he talks about how there are some things in there he'd like some conversations he had with Obama about some other world leaders that he didn't want to get out so he talks about that way but he doesn't scooch around until it until they're talking about Tara Reid specifically so maybe it's a situation where she's filed a complaint was that I think Greg and I talked about this earlier Greg I think you're right maybe it wasn't the complaint about what about that part of it was about something else you know so there was a complaint in there maybe it was I mean what do you think about that Greg yeah I think here's the thing who knows what happened 27 years ago but what we do know is that she had some kind of a interchange with leaders first of all she was told to tell him something down they all said that she was she had trouble she ended up killing that girl from the thing who knows what unfolded in there now if she filed a complaint that said he did X Y & Z he physically touched her I don't think we're gonna see that because she says she never posed she never put that in but if she fought a sexual harassment charge and she says she went up the chain of command we're military guys chase and I that is the process you go up the chain of command and you you write out a form when you get to that point or you fill out whatever it's not usually a form you're following a chain of command if she if her story and you go listen to the one that is out of out there on Katy helpers interview if her story is that there was a pattern of sexual harassment meaning that you're attractive and you should serve drinks and then when you don't there's some kind of a repercussions if that's what she filed and that's what they found that then starts to make her more believable and it's more dangerous to him if there's something in the Obama record about him telling Obama a one time I had this problem and it's documented then he said got a report let's assume it's not her but there's some other some other person who filed something or who said something and it's in the Delaware records then all of this becomes more believable I think there's no smoking gun for us to be able to say exactly what's in there to Mark's point but I think all of this together we all know that if you hang out with bad guys you're typically a bad guy and there can be other things that aren't the smoking gun that incriminate and that is what I think it probably was doctored that's conjecture that's just me thinking out loud that's not based on facts I see these patterns of uncertainty about what he is out there I think he's afraid for this to get exposed they certainly get it yeah so wrap up of the whole thing I think there was there was deception present but we can't say definitively that it was being deceptive there were small indicators there but not a whole lot of clusters but I would say that overall the interview was more concealing than deceiving there was a massive effort to conceal and redirect throughout the entire thing I agree with both of you guys on the Delaware papers and one thing that now we probably don't mention to the public very often is we say that were deception detection specialists we're also truth detection specialists and I didn't see a whole lot of truth there I know I know exactly how to see the truth and I didn't see a whole lot of that that's a Grayson yeah yeah I think so too and I think as overall I think it was really good I think this might end up being one of those classics that people will study because you know like the Clinton you know I did not because of all these things that are in there that you can see not just on his part but her part as well I mean it is it's hate to sound so cornball but man it's beautiful with all that stuff in there it's just it's there's so many classic things you can point out and say and we can reference people Desmond Morris Joe Navarro Eggman we can talk about anybody who's done Studies on what we're seeing in these you know and and everybody here there's this is in these same things we're seeing or in your books as well you know certainly the things we've worked on and the research of all those so I think it could be one of those classic pieces that will that be around a long time you know what yeah I was gonna say just worth shouting out around the interviewer Meeker as well good class in how to keep the pressure on sure and how do you avoid some classics of comply that being asked for from somebody of very high status so brilliant to watch that as well well the thing I'm really pleased that this one came out because we're hitting the opportunity to see language we use differently and things that we say differently about how we perceive this whole thing as well and if we all read the same books and we all stayed on that same topic it didn't become individual contributors to this overall thing we probably all have exactly the same language we all spoke Moroso we all spoke fast or we all spoke fat but what you're seeing is all of us have come at this from a different angle and are bringing new things to it and creating your own language around it as well and that's kind of a branding thing I suppose but at the core it's all the same different language for me that's been useful same you know alright let's kinda wrap this up each person get about 15 20 seconds of what they think about what happened and about what we saw in this now things wit and mark we'll start with you yes so watch out we're for compliance when you're trying to be influenced and persuaded by people watch out for it stands to reason or it's just logical usually when that said it doesn't stand to reason and there's been no logic involved whatsoever just just watch out for that great yeah I'm a baseliner all of us are look for a baseline and a deviation when something changes whatever that is if a person always does this and suddenly does something else it means something so when a person stares at you too intently versus eye movement casually and looking at you that means something don't fall back on the crossed arms and the things you learned in high school psychology because they're just not true chase all right pay attention if you're in sales or you're a parent or you talk to humans anytime pay attention to those upper bones in the arm once they start squeezing in or somebody's got their elbows in a table and their arms come in especially if you're in sales you know immediately that you've got some work to do excellent and I would say when you ask someone a question make sure you get the answer especially if it's a yes-or-no question make sure you get a yes or a No specifically in there and pay attention to how they approach that and the things they say without saying yes or no you may have the feeling they say yet they said yes or they said no but listen it's so important to listen to what they said and how they're saying it okay good being with you guys Thanks thank you great guys we'll see you see you next up do you guys before I go to that

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Length: 95min 52sec (5752 seconds)

Published: Wed May 06 2020