Intel just can't beat AMD anymore...

all right it's that time intel's eleven nine hundred k embargo has just lifted i'm sure you could tell by your inboxes in the amount of videos i probably just went live for it we're gonna see how it stands up as intel's new mainstream flagship where they chopped off four threads and uh apparently increased the ipc a little bit but is it enough to hold off amd's eight core 16 thread ryzen 7 5800 x that's been out now for about six months or so well today we're going to tell you [Music] phil just pointed out this is a ryzen 5 box it's a 3600 xt in there it's just a prop don't worry i mean this is just my two dollars about it not my two cents but anyway that's all i had my wallet leave me alone the 11 700k a cpu that accidentally launched early through a lot of retailers there's a lot of videos out already about that because it wasn't under embargo in fact they didn't even send us an 11 700k because those videos were live not even ours we didn't talk about it i didn't buy one you had to buy it like europe and have it shipped and it wasn't that important to me so um 11 600k and 11 900k is what we have we didn't touch the 600k today because we just wanted to see like all right this is this is the first time we're seeing like core for core thread for thread price per price literally be kind of like the same between amd and intel when it comes to their cpus remember for the longest time you could get more cores for the same amount of money as intel's lesser core count but now what we're seeing with you know 5000 series ryzen as well as 11th gen intel is that they've pretty much aligned them now i think that's because intel knew no longer can they count on this whole like we're a better gaming cpu because we can charge more and we're intel i think they're realizing now like they've got to kind of like pull that back a little bit just sort of slow their role with a lot of that kool-aid they've been drinking and realize that hey amd's ipc is no joke so let's talk about some testing methodology here because intel does have some built-in boost algorithms and logic in terms of turbo timers and they've even disliked their next generation of the way the turbo clocks work amd has sort of the same thing with pbo or precision boost overdrive but the motherboard manufacturers have all kind of like started to come up with their own logic and the way the cpu should work so it's important to point out that we are using asus motherboards for both of these tests um our first test here obviously with intel is with the asus um rog strix z590e wi-fi 6 motherboard it's a wi-fi 6e motherboard so this is a more middle of the line in terms of the rog product range there we there's maximus 13 and stuff which have a lot of crazy built-in features we decided to use one that'd be a little bit more indicative of what an average buyer might have the amd build is actually on an x570 which is funny this is z590 that's x570 so this is now 20 better according to intel than amd 20 better units but that's the same the same deal going on over there we let the cpu manufacturer handle all of the logic turbo timers um the amount of power draw how long it can do that power draw the amp limits all of that is set to factory for the cpu we took any of the asus motherboards trying to control any of that in terms of core enhancement removal of intel limits all of the limits are in place so we wanted this to be as manufacturer versus manufacturer spec as possible for this particular test now when it comes to the actual benchmarks that we did we used a bunch of different stuff that uses different types of instruction sets we've got some cinebench r20 in there we did some single core obviously we've got our geekbench we've got a handbrake transcode which is actually new for for us not it's not like we don't done it it's just we're adding that back because i think people have noticed a lot of these tasks that we're showing you today the exception of something like cinebench can be offloaded to a gpu and once you do that you sort of take some of the argument out as to who's better at certain um like trans code codecs like h.264 x.264 um you got nvec encoder available to you same thing with handbrake um so we we did test that we're synthetically designed to work on either cpu or gpu and so obviously cpu was used for all of these that way there's no sort of benefit same thing with the intel we made sure that igpu was not doing anything by default because a lot of the video encoding type stuff can be offloaded to uh quick sync on intel which we made sure none of that was was present so this is the way that the eight core 16 thread shootout looks [Music] so [Music] [Music] so we were expecting anywhere between like a seven to ten percent ipc improvement based on the slides and the uh the press day behind the scenes like education that we get there was a lot of information that was presented about uh intel's 11th gen they cut like i said two cores and four threads off of their top tier cpu there's a couple of reasons why i think they might have done that and now this is completely speculatory or speculative i don't have any insider information about this i believe if you take a look at the yields of the 10900k and how they became extremely difficult to find and then the introduction of the eight seven or the ten eight seven five k which is the exact same cpu minus 100 megahertz 100 megahertz less all core 100 megahertz less single core i think they were having a problem with actually getting enough 1100ks at 10 core 20 thread to actually make it uh through the testing process so they came up with that lesser you know clock speed to try and make up for that uh this time around it's actually more of a generational improvement if you will over the 9900k which you'll notice is not here in this particular test because we just simply in this particular video wanted to test the top tier desktop mainstream processor set from intel which is what this is which is funny it only directly competes with amd's ryzen 7 not even the ryzen 9 family but if you compare these two and i keep showing this box which is not it we'll just do that we pretend it's a it's a it's a seven okay the 5800x is the top tier of the 5800 series remember we got 5900x and 5950x also available on the same mainstream motherboard from amd whereas intel has now stopped at 8 core 16 thread i have a a a sneaky suspicion we're going to see x platform coming out uh on ddr5 later this year which is why we're going to see probably 10 corn up from there possibly go as high as maybe even 20 core 40 thread or maybe even 24 core 48 thread on x platform uh not having to go over to the w3175x like we saw in the past so that's a speculatory prediction we'll see if it comes true i'll do a video about that later but the benchmarks tell a huge story here when it comes to just straight up raw processing the 5800x is faster pretty much everywhere it matters i say where it matters if you're doing video rendering it's faster at premiere as you guys could see multi-core rendering it's faster at the um warp stabilization we were not using premiere 2021 for this we were using 2020 which is single core warp speed warp speed warp wow engage no it's single core warp uh stabilization which i guess maybe we should have done at 2021 also the problem is our project that we're using is on 2020 not 2021 2021 does do multi-core warp civilization so we'll revisit that in the future handbrake was like six minutes faster at transcoding our 1080p video to 4k um cinebench was faster single core was also faster however when you go to the ipc where we lock them at four gigahertz it's kind of a sad story for intel where you can see although we saw an improvement in ipc or instructions for clock and we locked them at the same frequency the same memory speed that's another thing i forgot to mention we were running the same speed memory on these tests across the board as well between amd and intel intel's ipc improvement was not enough to make up for uh resin's latest ipc which is just absolutely phenomenal and then the only thing that makes intel even compete with the 5800x is the fact that it has a dominant core clock now let's talk about the cork lock here for a sec when we were doing the handbrake transcode it dropped all the way down to 3.9 gigahertz now remember the way the turbo clock works on on intel's out of the box spec is it's a max of 56 seconds at least on 10th gen i there's some new logic here with the 11th chain like i said i'm not going to depth on that but it will only hold those boost clocks for so long and then what will happen is it will drop the clock uh and then throughout the remainder of the test now it started at 4.7 which is actually 100 megahertz less than the 4.8 gigahertz all core clock you'd expect to see but even down at the 3.9 gigahertz while we were doing the transcode all threads were loaded 100 load and we were seeing a 125 watt package uh draw from the cpu so that tells us we were power limited which is why we were seeing the actual core clock drop now temperatures were actually really good during that it was only at 49 c started at 55 and then came down to 49. the hottest i saw this cpu get in any of our tests and the same boot was running the entire time was 67c running on a 360 millimeter radiator now that's actually a really good temp a lot of people might notice that amd was actually hotter at about 77c but remember amd with pbo was designed with a boost logic to turbo clock the frequency as high as possible as long as it's within a certain threshold of power draw amp draw as well as temperature so it's going to go higher it's the thing is it'll hit about adc at the most even on a water cooler and then it will never go higher because it's determined that's as high as we should go so you're getting extra performance out of it but when it comes to cpu now if you look at the ipc in the core clock i don't think it's enough to really make it matter in games like we saw with tenchan now for instance 10th gen uh 10900k we saw the fps averages at 1080p lower than amd however most people that are running a top-tier cpu like a 100k a 5900x i don't feel are actually running 1080p panels they're running 1440p which means that as soon as you start to offload more of that load to the gpu to run higher resolutions the frame rates drop which makes the cpu bottleneck a little bit less noticeable that's something we'll be testing in the future here is actual gaming performance on these cpus but i think if you're running anything 4040p or higher you're it's not going to matter whether you're intel or amd it's going to be a lot less noticeable in terms of gaming performance in fact you would never notice the difference in a side-by-side like coke versus pepsi challenge you would only notice it by seeing what the actual benchmarks results tell you there's one major thing to consider here though it's the availability i don't know what the actual yields are going to be like on 1100 k's eight core 16 thread i have to assume they're high because they're not pushing that uh the the wafer size on the actual substrate size it's really small versus how many cores is in there i don't think they'll have a hard time actually producing these they might have a hard time keeping them in stock potentially if the 10th gen has told us anything about their yields another thing to consider is the fact that if you go online right now remember this is prior to the launch while you guys are seeing this it's gonna probably be a show out there i'm seeing nothing but scalped pricing on confirmed pre-orders when it comes to 1100k which is interesting to me because i'm not sure who was doing pre-orders on them but we all know that they're launching on march 30th which is uh i i guess some retailers are doing pre-order we're seeing the cheapest ones go for about 900 bucks and on average about 1199 for this cpu the sad part is right now while making this video i went online and i found on amazon plenty of 5800 x's available on prime for next day delivery at 549 or best buy of all places becoming one of the more reliable places to actually buy a cpu has the amd ryzen 5800x 4th gen 8 core 16 thread for 449 available with one hour pickup right now so seeing those charts and then seeing the potential pricing of the 1100k being scalped would you take the ryzen 7 5800x remember pretend it's a 5. or would you actually go with intel on this one you know my recommendation to anyone building a computer right now is although amd can end up having some wonkiness on motherboards sometimes and compatibility with memory and you know admittedly so our 585800x rig wouldn't run 3200 with a certain set of ram that was 3200 but we swapped it out with another set and it ran fine whereas intel you kind of know most of the time it's going to work that price if you have to pay scalper pricing to get intel is absolutely not worth it i hope that enough of these hit retail markets to where scalpers just look stupid trying to sell their pre-orders for double what the actual cpu's worth because the 5800 x right now looks like an amazing cpu at 449 at best buy 100 cheaper than amazon think about that versus 11 900 k's offerings a little short and a little late for intel on this one we needed to see a bigger generational improvement to what we are not seeing them cut cores off and then keep the clock speeds essentially where they were on 10th gen with slightly better ipc remember it's 10 nanometer ported to 14 nanometer which phil looked up because i keep saying what the hell does that mean it's the same process size they basically just control t the corner and sl sided you know size it up a little bit we need to see a true improvement process from intel before these you know what seemed like harping on intel videos end because i'll be honest it still seems like a giant multi-billion dollar company that's tone deaf

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Length: 14min 59sec (899 seconds)

Published: Tue Mar 30 2021

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