Rishikesh, India I Want to Show You an Easy Way Out of Suffering 19 February 2020 / Satsang Excerpt
(with subtitles) [Mooji] OK. Go! [Questioner] Namaste Moojiji.
[Mooji] Namaste. [Q.] Is there a permanent end to seeking, and if so, do we choose when it ends? [Mooji] No, you don't choose when it ends, but you may have a play in choosing that
it continues until it ends. And it does end. The seeking is very important, more important than the seeker. The seeking is alive, it is a seeking. When the seeking or the seeker
finds what it is searching for, the seeker vanishes and is no more, as well as that, the seeking also ends. It doesn't become a finder. It simply becomes itself, which is not a seeker. A seeker is the instrument, the mode, the necessary urge that comes through grace when the Self, or the consciousness,
or the beingness has an urge to discover its own source. That has to be already in you if you can come here
and sit for more than one or two days. But there are forces also,
apparently contradictory, contrasting forces from the mind, that have to do with the sense of our person, and sometimes with the addiction to personhood,
which is only a state. Whereas, our true state is without addiction.
It is pure. Does it come to an end?
Yes! It comes to an end. It comes to an end
which has no end or beginning. [silence] [Mooji] It can come to an end right here,
for some people today! [Mooji] It can come to an end.
The doubt ... The doubt can fall away. The seeing, the recognition can happen. But sometimes,
even after the happening of a recognition, doubts can come, still. But in the light of the recognition the doubts will have little conviction in you. They will begin to fall away, gradually,
and there will be a seeming experiential increase
in your stability and power. [silence] I am not speaking here about religion, or even spirituality in a kind of ... Just Truth! Therefore, everyone can understand, in fact. The conviction in the state of personhood appears to stand in its own way,
but only appears to. Everything is a great appearing, a great seeming! [Mooji] Say! [Q.] I just wanted to make sure that I don't also get addicted
to the identity of seeking, as well. [Mooji] If your seeking is earnest, you will not fall for such a state. Just like, when you are hungry,
you might try tasting some other food, somebody might give you some toasted cardboard. [Mooji mimics bad taste] You are not going to get addicted to that. When you find good food,
you go, 'Ah, thank you', and that you will eat. Don't worry,
you will not become addicted to what is false. Already, enough of what is false brought you to the search for what is true. Your seeking, actually,
is not such a unique private seeking, it is a movement from the entire universe! Just like a wave. A wave cannot decide, 'Guys, I think, I'm going
to go this way instead, today. I will catch you later.' It cannot. Every movement of each wave
has the total ocean behind it. Your wishing to wake up is a universal movement. It may sound huge. It means that you are not independent. Because you think in terms of personhood, you think that
you can be forgotten or overlooked. But even in the state of personhood, you are so totally enmeshed
in the matrix of the cosmic manifestation. You cannot be forgotten. You forget your Self,
but only by taking on a shape. This we were compelled to do, by the way. You didn't do anything wrong! Just like, all the beings
who live in the ocean are wet, all the beings who come into manifestation
are conditioned, for a while. Otherwise the game could not happen. The game is a game of transcendence, of looking, learning and paying attention, and sometimes moving very slowly, sometimes appearing to be stagnating, another time moving rapidly,
another time totally beyond movement. [Q.] Thank you. [M.] Yes, but you are here now.
Have your best shot! Let's have a go and see what comes. [Mooji] Why not today? Let's have a look.
Maybe not today, but why not? [Q.] If I can't choose,
then I just have to wait or look. Correct? [Q.] If I can't choose when it happens,
I can only ... [Mooji] But even then to look is also a choosing.
You can call it that. Some urge is there,
something inside you universally, some urge is there to look for this. Otherwise, there are so many things
to see in our world. To look for that which
cannot be seen with the eyes, is a rare thing. Everybody is looking for something that
they can hold, touch and smell, and enjoy through the senses or the mind, but This you cannot. This is before all these things. If you remove all these things,
and the memory of them, that which remains cannot be removed,
and it is always here. The invitation is to find that, to discover that. It is not hidden, and it is not hiding,
but it appears hidden, because we are living inside a mask that
we take to be real. And your coming here
is already an auspicious sign that, that masking concept is removable. That masking identity is removable. [silence] It is like, if you imagine that
there is a great book, a great fiction, with all these characters in there, every kind of character is in this book. Do you think, or imagine that, these characters are planning a secret meeting to protest against the author,
without the author knowing? [laughter] There is an awareness in you, that awareness in which all things are visible, but only because you wish them to be visible,
actually. When you lose interest in a thing,
you don't even notice it. One of the most crippling things that
can happen to a mind, is when we lose ... When it becomes insignificant for you,
then you pay no attention to it. Presently, we give so much importance
to our thoughts and feelings, we have to navigate through that. Because some are fine and some are not, and we must exercise
your present level of discernment to find the right balance in some way. I don't want to work in that way. I want to show you an easy way out. But you will only find it if you are ready, and I assume you are ready
because you came here. But I don't say that
you will not have challenges. Challenges are part of the play, a part of the climate in which you will wake up. We need them also
to provide the necessary friction for the aspiration and the urge
to be free of them. Hear and forget what I say, if you want. One becomes totally empty. I am totally empty, even of what I am speaking,
in fact, at some place. Something comes to zero, without fear. And in the zero there is no fear. Yet there is a dynamic body and senses,
I have not thrown them away. I have not said, My senses are not important. I have got family. And things that we do, they still happen. I have not found,
'Why do these things still keep coming?' Sometimes, sometimes, yes, yes. But a deeper understanding knows that
it has to come, and we move. But everything is moving inside the unmoving. Every happening, every happening is a blip inside the immensity of the non-happening. And there is no conflict,
there is no contradiction, there is no opposition. One side is your dynamic play, the dynamic,
in which the consciousness is there, too. The nirguna is in the saguna, it is all there and you think,
'Either one, or...' No! One is unchanging,
and the other one is bound in time, in change. As long as the vital force, the breath, the body and consciousness are there, there will be a sense of maturing in the immensity of the unchanging,
at the same time. This is a kind of paradox. Maybe I am not saying the right words right now.
I don't know. [Mooji] Do you listen to 'The Invitation'
in the morning? [Sangha] Yes.
[Mooji] Somebody speak from this place! Speak from this, what you discovered. [Mooji] What you discovered, has it gone?
[Sangha] No. [Mooji] Has it faded?
[Sangha] No. [Mooji] But then we say,
'But the mind is still there'. The mind is there, here and there,
it comes and goes. That which you discovered,
has that come and gone? [Sangha] No.
[M.] Just be there! Then the mind comes and goes,
that doesn't matter, mind comes and goes. Put more attention on that
which doesn't come and go, and comings and goings
won't become so important to you. They become natural, you deal with it.
We could finish right there! We could finish right there,
if you would accept it. [loud, insistent voice
from loudspeaker outside the satsang hall] Suppose this voice here, selling, was found to be,
'Ugh! I wish he would stop! Oh my God!' Because you wish that it would stop,
it starts to disturb you even more. [now loud singing comes from loudspeaker outside]
[laughter] And then what happened? Now you say, 'Oh my God! I was really listening to Mooji,
and then this guy!' I say, wow.
We disturb ourselves like that all the time. But when you recognise that all of this
is arising in the ... [voice outside suddenly stops]
... silence ... [laughter and applause] [Mooji] Then you are not troubled by it,
you are not troubled by it. [laughter and applause] [laughter] You believe in yourself personally. We believed, out of habit, in our self personally. And because of that it appears to eclipse the immensity of the impersonal. [Mooji] OK. Thank you.
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