I REALLY underestimated the 5600X3D!

all right so we talked last week about the fact that there is an AMD launch of the 5600x3d that's exclusive to Micro Center only which means 99.9 of the world will never have a chance to own one but that means we went ahead and tested it anyway and you know what it's kind of surprising the crap out of us [Music] this video to bring you a special message from iFixit no weird interrupt card but inventory sucks fix the inventory problems with iFixit Whoa Don't drop it can't fix that with I fix it just kidding yes you can wish you could take iFixit with you anywhere but your pockets aren't big enough introducing you Moray and the new minnow take them with you anywhere so good I fix it for your loved one or just get them for yourself so in the announcement video we talked about the specs and whatnot so we'll just kind of do a quick high level recap of the specs uh it's a 5600 x 3D built on the exact same process as a 5800x 3D the difference is it has two less cores and four less threads three megabyte L2 cache 96 megabyte L3 cache compared to the 32 megabyte L2 cat or L3 cache found on the non-x3d variant or the 5600x so it's up to 4.4 gigahertz on the Boost frequency and it's 100 megahertz lower than the 5800x3d they have limited overclocking support because the V cash as we know is extremely sensitive to voltage and temperatures um even though it is a 105 watt part uh versus the 65 watt part of a 5600x now when it comes to reviewing the CPU it was it was interesting because we we've moved along from am4 rather quickly over the last year or so with all the am5 CPUs and the new x3d CPUs that have made their way to am5 of course I'm talking about the 7800 X 3D remember the one that um some other boy manufacturers were over volting and causing to explode both the motherboard and the CPU literally explode the 7900 x3d and 7950x3d and I've been running the 7950x3d in my personal rig ever since it came out and so far no problems and I haven't tuned any of the voltage and stuff um which makes things interesting the fact that AMD has basically come out with a limited run of a CPU um based off the 1500x3d and am4 now the major differences between the two platforms obviously is going to be am5 and Zen 4 architecture on the 7000 series CPUs and then obviously Zen 3 architecture that exists on the um 5000 series CPU or the 5600 x 3D now in this testing I had wanted to do a pretty wide range of CPUs because it is the thing the CPU costs are 229 dollars that's a pretty uniform price because they're only available at Micro Center and one of the reasons for that is since this is such a limited run of CPUs that was basically a re reusing the 5800x3d process to basically kind of recycle silicon that the company was kind of collecting and not sure what to do with is why they came out with a lower tiered part of the x3d variant they don't have a lot of them which is why they only paired up with one retailer and I'm not even saying e-tailer because you cannot buy CPU um bundles or CPUs motherboards and gpus online at Micro Center for shipping you can buy online for in-store pickup but you cannot have it shipped to your location so unless you live within driving distance or you're willing to take a trip to one it's gonna be very difficult for you to get your hands on anyway with that said at that 229 price point there and we talked about this on the rtfm show on Friday there's quite a boost in price for that x3d for instance the 5600x non-3d costs 148 dollars at Amazon and I'm not even using Micro Center's pricing because finding an alternative if you can't get to Micro Center is going to be the pricing you're subject to whether it be on Amazon Newegg Best Buy whatever so 148 was the price for the 5600x on Best Buy I really really really wanted to test this with a 5600 or 5700x or a 5800x which cost 189 and 208 respectively so even 208 dollars for a 5800x non-3d is twenty dollars or twenty one dollars less than what it would cost at Micro Center and that's a pretty a pretty decent chunk of change like 20 bucks still can go towards half your RAM because we already talked about the fact that ddr4 uh 16 gigabytes of ddr4 Team group 3200 megahertz is 30 bucks so you add ten dollars to that there's your RAM by just going with a higher end CPU in terms of core count and clock speed but giving up the V cash which is all about gaming performance so realistically this CPU is targeted towards Gamers Gamers that want to get as much fps out of their GPU as possible however unless you're finding yourself with a high enough n GPU to actually bottleneck the CPU you're not going to see any any benefit to the V cash so that's one of the things that we were looking for here and that's why we tested it with an RTX 4090. a pairing that I would think makes no sense whatsoever because the RTX 4090 can cost up to 10 times more than the CPU even if you get it for MSRP at around 15 1600 bucks for the founders Edition that is a 229 CPU paired with a 1600 plus dollar GPU is just a terrible terrible uh thing but in our testing what we're looking for here is not the best pairing that would be a different type of video this is what happens if we just throw a lot of GPU at it and compare it with the different CPUs to see what the bottlenecks look like in the comparative CPUs so although I would love to have compared it with a 5700 or 5800x apparently I don't have any I know for a fact I did I can't seem to find them so I'm and I cannot get them here in time for this review to make it out on embargo day which is a day before they go on sale which is important for you guys to be able to have this information prior to them going on sale so you determine if a three-hour trip to Microcenter is even worth your time for this CPU with that said I compared it to a ryzen 5 7 600 non-x and the reason why I did that is you can get that CPU for 219. however the caveat what that is you obviously have to adopt ddr5 which is a bit more expensive so both of our systems are actually running g-skill Trident memory one's ddr4 Neo specifically for AMD and then the ddr5 is running um the Expo Ram also designed for AMD and both are running 32 gigabytes of RAM now you can get 32 gigabytes of Team group for 80 bucks versus 32 gigabytes of Team group ddr4 for 48 bucks you can see there's more costs obviously with going with the ddr5 platform now that is basically where um like the similarities kind of end because we're talking forward compatibility and forward upgradability on am5 with unless you go with like a 5800 X 3D if you still want the v3d cache um that's the only other CPU you could upgrade to in terms of gaming on the am4 platform unless you're just going to go with like a 5950x or something like that for ultimate productivity and still decent gaming performance we really didn't know what to expect with this CPU and Phil and I both tag teamed this testing as he was testing on the uh he was testing the 5600 x3d while I was simultaneously testing the 7600 and then we took the exact same GPU off one system and plopped it on the other so there were no variants in GPU performance at all same exact GPU on these two different platforms so the am4 platform is running an x570 ORS extreme motherboard which is extremely overpriced for this type of setup we would highly recommend like a b550 or something like that for the CPU because overclocking is not something you can even really do it's very limited there'd be no reason to pair it with an expensive overclocking board but I chose it because it's not Asus and then the am5 platform is actually running the uh x570x extreme Tai Chi ASRock motherboard so let's go and start talking about our results shall we when it comes to uh CPU we did a test methodology here of some synthetic CPU benchmarks as well as GPU benchmarks because although it is definitely aimed at gaming you have to see what the trade-off is going to be between the two different types of CPUs to be able to say whether or not giving up productivity is worth the Improvement in gaming and again we are looking for bottlenecks we intentionally are throwing a big GPU at it obviously as the GPU comes down the stack into a more mid-range or lower high end range and not a 40 90 you would see these gaps probably be even less okay let's talk performance numbers because ultimately that's what matters the 5600x 3D and I want to point something out here you have to update the bios for your motherboard uh if you're running any sort of old bios if you're running a bios that came out prior to the 5800x 3D then it won't accurately know what to do with a 5600x3d and this is true no matter what like any newer CPU that's also come out because it updates the motherboard to know what the heck it's dealing with so initially we ran our numbers with just the BIOS that launched with the orus um with the bioset launcher theorus because initially we were told like yeah you don't really need to do anything with your motherboard but that's only half true if you have to update it to whatever at least 5800x 3D or newer to to be able to deal with this because what we noticed when we observed was that the numbers were really low because the clocks were not boosting they were just staying at their base clock of about 3.4 gigahertz so initially our numbers were extremely low um and to be honest we won't even go through what those numbers are because they're completely irrelevant but it's just absurd Behavior update your bios it's extremely important to at least something Beyond a 50 100x3d support and compatibility moving on um when we look at the post bios numbers our multi-core got us a 9401 now that's versus the 7600s 12 000 112. now this makes perfect sense because the 7600 boosts to over 5 gigahertz um in single core and about 5.9 or 4.9 gigahertz in all core and because of the fact that it's got a newer architecture and higher clock speed you would expect the numbers to be higher moving on Sunday bench r23.2 uh multi-core performance we got a 10 000 799 with the 5600 x3d versus a 14339 for the 7600 so obviously you can see the benefits to the new New Horizon architecture and the newer platform and ddr5 although cinebench doesn't really use Ram that much so moving on now to uh Times by extreme 5600 x 3D got a uh I should just call it started calling 56 5600 3D easier to say whatever 4032 versus the 7600s uh 4662 so a little bit closer but still 600 points are well over 10 percent difference in terms of score there now the last CPU specific test that we did was a blender Benchmark now that has three tests it runs within it Monster junk shop in classroom it's basically kind of like what cinebench does with path tracing and stuff to draw the image the 5600x3d in Monster got a 75.8 samples per minute versus the 76 hundreds 96.6 so you can see in terms of computational tasks it cannot come close to a cheaper CPU on a newer platform junk shop it's 48.4 on the 3D versus 61.0 I got a 36.1 in classroom on the x3d and in the standard 7600 it got 48.4 so a fairly sizable measurable difference nzxt's build is a quick and easy way to get a new gaming computer build a gaming PC on your budget using the built-in configurator and see exactly how your favorite games will perform don't want to spec it yourself then choose from bld's pre-configured player PC systems designed to fit your needs and budget to see the full lineup and specs of the NZXT BLD player series pre-built PCS follow the sponsored Link in the description below now this is where going into the CPU or the GPU test Phil and I both were like oh man how the heck is it going to make up for this well we tested cyberpunk at both 1080p medium uh medium preset no dlss no retracing no frame gen no Shenanigans just 1080p medium with a 40 90. I know we need to see if we bottleneck the CPU what are the two different caps what's the minimum FPS what's the max FPS what's the average that will tell us how big our swings are on the 7600 we got a minimum FPS of 78 a Max FPS of 265 and an average FPS of 178 but now it's like beat that and Phil was like okay uh how does a minimum of 72 a Max of 290 and an average of 201 sound same GPU same exact settings but the V cash the V cash is what made that that major uplift once we go to 4K it's a much different story because obviously 4K Ultra preset same thing no DLS that's no frame generally is at we take a lot of that alleviation off of the CPU when we put it onto the GPU to do a lot of of scene processing so the 5600 x 3D in 4k um got a minimum of 64 a Max of 110 and an average of 82.5 the 7600 A Min of 68 a Max of 111 and an average of 83.17 really really close which makes perfect sense now let's go ahead and move into a little bit older title um this is for for Verizon Forza Horizon 5. all we're looking for here is the average FPS that's given you in the corner and then the percentage of GPU limitation because it will show you everything on there in terms of all the timing and stuff and FPS for both the CPU renderer the simulation render as well as the GPU the 7600 and 1080p medium preset on Forza Horizon 5 264 with a GPU bound of zero if we look at the 5600 x 3D however it got 271 FPS average at get this GPU limitation of 1.7 so what does that mean it means the GPU started to become the limiting factor against that CPU at 1080p medium I initially never planned on using a 490 simply because of the fact that that seemed completely ludicrous to put it on a CPU like this but it shows the power of the V cash and the fact that it can still be 1.7 percent waiting on the GPU to do its thing so what happens when we go ahead and move that limitation now up to 4K Ultra the 7600 is a 165 FPS average with a 25.1 percent GPU limitation so that means 25 percent uh GPU bound if we look over here at the 4K Ultra 217 FPS with a limitation of 18.4 so what does that mean it means we hadn't hit the engine cap and there was plenty of more FPS on the table for the game to be allowed to render more if we hit 200 200 200 200 then we'd know like we hit the engine cap of the game I think the engine Captain forces up in the 400s to be honest 18.4 sold less GPU limited on the older platform running the 3D V cache our last test here was shadow of the Tomb Raider just an older title that is guaranteed to be able to push the gpus as far as they can go uh and the CPU but we love this title as well as the other ones we picked because it gives us a percentage of GPU which shows us a bigger picture than just an FPS number 5600 x 3D in times excuse me shadow of the Tomb Raider 1080p medium with small enabled no dlss no Ray tracing 309 FPS average zero percent GPU bound 7 600 224 also zero percent GPU bound so there you go there's a direct comparison CPU to CPU a difference of like 80 FPS between the two but moving on to 4K now this is on highest settings because again we want to now take the load and put it back on the GPU the 7600 181 FPS average with a gbq limitation of 99 which makes sense because the GPU is now handling 4K highest settings and that's that's a lot of load even for a 40 90. um okay with it being 99 at 181 I would expect that to be the case over the 5600x 3D however that's not the case because it was 188 at 99 so Phil and I were kind of joking like yeah is it was it 99.1 versus 99.99.8 which could make up for that 9 FPS in there somewhere but the point is even in GPU balance situations the 5600 x 3D is showing an uplift in performance when you do a bad pairing um versus a 40 90 and a 5600x3d and it's a bad pairing with a 7600x as well so couple things to talk about though now whether or not which one is right for you the am4 platform is still dead ended I I would be shocked if a new CPU came out for it I'd also be shocked if the CPUs lasted more than a few weeks Micro Center is expecting it to last a few months worth of inventory maybe not based on how well these numbers are actually performing the problem is the 229 dollar price tag because as I mentioned if we take a look at other prices as of Friday 5600x non-3d 148 obviously the 5600x would not perform anywhere near an x3d I need to get one of those in hand so I can do an x3d and non-x3d comparison 5700x 189 5800x 209 or 208 so that 5800x though I don't think it would be enough to uplift it above the 5600x 3D in gaming but you definitely would gain a lot of productivity Improvement because of the extra cores and the extra threads simultaneous multi-threading is is a game changer when it comes to almost everything being multi-threaded these days but what's the cheapest am4 platform you could build would be a 5600x and then with the 16 gigabytes of RAM at 30 dollars and then averaging 109 to 149 dollars for a b550 motherboard depending on how beefy you want it to be built up you could build an entire am4 platform for 287 dollars and that's only 50 bucks more well 60 bucks not quite 60 bucks more than just the CPU cost of a 5600x3d remember the 7600 is um 219 which is only ten dollars cheaper but you get forward compatibility of upgrade path when it comes to putting a newer CPU in there even next-gen CPUs will still work with am5 just how am4 was supported from 2016 up until 2022. technically 23 with this CPU so you've got to ask yourself are you willing to save money for the sake of a gaming CPU that came out two years after um the last CPUs came out for that particular platform the 5000 series CPUs or do you want to have forward compatibility if you're trying to save as much money as possible then you probably wouldn't buy an x3d CPU to begin with Because unless you're putting a high-end GPU on it or something that's going to actually be reaching the cpu's limitations you're not going to see the amount of spacing or gap between these two CPUs as we showed with the 4090 because you would never put a 4090 with a 5600 CPU whether it's an X or an x3d or not you'd probably end up putting something like a 3070 with it somewhere around there maybe a 6800 XT you would definitely not see as much of a gap but the other really compelling thing is apparently Micro Center has a bundle deal which makes sense if they're the only ones selling it they can put together these bundle deals for 329 dollars that will get you the 5600 x 3D a b550 motherboard and 16 gigabytes of RAM so what does that mean it means the motherboard the ram only cost you 100 bucks extra that's a pretty compelling argument like I said I would have loved to have compared this with more CPUs I'm going to get them in hand I'm going to do the testing at the very least to have the numbers myself uh there's other reviewers that are probably doing a deeper dive with more CPUs I honestly thought I had a 5800x and a 5700x and apparently I don't so where the heck they went I don't know I've got to find them so my ultimate recommendation although the performance is there productivity wise it's pretty far behind a 7600 and productivity wise it would even be behind a 5600x non-3d because of the clock speed differences so you got to ask yourself again do you want to spend about an extra 150 or so total going with an am5 platform and having future upgrade path which I personally think would be worth it or do you want to buy kind of like the last hurray of a dead end platform so that's the ultimate decision sound off down below what you guys would do if you even if you're not in the market of buying a CPU or motherboard or Ram or whatever what would you do if you were would you go with the older platform and the newer CPU that my biggest concern honestly is if they're such limited and you have one that fails or goes dead will they even have RMA ability or not so anyway older platform or a little bit more expensive newer platform that has a future alright guys thanks for watching and as always we'll see you in the next one

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Length: 21min 18sec (1278 seconds)

Published: Thu Jul 06 2023