It's the Best Gaming CPU on the Planet.. AND I'M MAD. - Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review

the ryzen 7 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU on the planet Bar None it isn't even close I should be celebrating then yeah so why do I look so mad because as far as I can tell AMD intentionally manipulated the community in the lead-up to this launch first they pushed their most rabid fans to more expensive and arguably worse ryzen 9 x 3D CPUs at launch although that's nothing new and all the major players have done this at one time or another but the second one is much more nefarious and reminds me of the way that Intel timed the release of their 10th gen hddt processors in a way that avoided direct comparisons to amd's far superior threadripper 3000 it's yucky and I'm gonna spell out why it's such a problem shortly first I need to spell out why AMD now makes the only gaming CPUs that matter and I need to spell out this s-e-g-u-e to our sponsor gizmogo looking for a way to sell your old or broken devices well gizmogo can help select your device on their website answer a few questions about its condition and get a free instant quote so check out gizmogo at the link down below it's been almost a year since AMD launched their first processor featuring 3D vcash technology the ryzen 7 5800 X 3D and to say that it's been a game changer would be both an understatement and a delightfully delicious dad joke the details are complex but the result is simple 3D vcache allows AMD to stack up the caches in their processors vertically increasing their capacity without increasing the die area of the finished chip a larger cache means that any data the processor needs is more likely to be right at hand rather than stored in much slower system memory or heaven forbid persistent storage like an SSD there are trade-offs reading between the lines 3D V cache has some downsides it appears to be much more sensitive to high voltages which makes overclocking a less fruitful not to mention riskier Endeavor and has forced AMD to reduce their out-of-the-box clock speeds it also reduces the rate at which heat can be dissipated from the course meaning that 3D V cache chips have their thermal targets reigned in but it seems to be worth it because while amd's slide deck has the 7800x 3D competing with the core i7 13700k in terms of pricing if we consider quite literally anything else it is not even a contest especially in gaming where it makes such a difference to Performance that well I'll just let the graphs do the talking here look at these margins of Victory dang I mean if you like spending a hundred dollars more for Less performance from Team blue then that's kind of your prerogative but if you're the sort of gamer looking to drive the latest 1080p High refresh rate monitors the only sensible choices we're looking at here are the 5800x 3D on a cheap and cheerful am4 board with 16 gigs of memory for another 50 bucks or if you've got the extra cash to put into a newer platform amd's 7800x 3D absolutely obliterates everything in its weight class I mean even its own x3d equipped Bigger Brothers fall considerably behind which raises some big questions like what the and why Paulo kohilo said that the core of beauty is Simplicity and I think that applies well here the 7800x 3D comes equipped with a mere 8 course on a single core complex die or CCD that means virtually all applications will benefit from its whopping 104 megabytes of on-die cache and since there's only one CCD there's no latency penalty from pulling cached data off of another die by contrast the 7900x3d and the 7950x3d have 12 cores and 16 cores respectively across two heterogeneous ccds amd's rationale for the design Choice does make sense half of the cores get 3D V cash for killer gaming performance while the other half issue it in favor of higher yields and higher boost clocks for productivity but in practice getting applications to run on the most optimal core is a big challenge especially when you don't bother to build an on-chip Hardware sketch or load balancer and it results in lower real world performance that puts the ryzen 9x3d chips in this super weird in-between Zone where they fall behind their lean mean ryzen 7 relative in gaming and then fall behind their own non-x3d counterparts in other applications of course as we pointed out in our review of those chips most people aren't buying 500 CPUs or even 350 ones for that matter to game at 1080P and if the 7800x 3D can't keep its lead going into 1440p I think oh it does looking at average frame rates the 7800x3d tops the charts almost without exception only losing in games where Intel CPUs tend to provide improvements in one percent lows even games that are clearly GPU Bound in our testing like Modern Warfare 2 and Red Dead Redemption 2 see the 7800x3d generally eke out a small W there are exceptions occasionally even gay won't benefit from 3D V cash and would just much rather have a CPU that boosts higher but the overall picture is clear to the point where I'm not sure I remember ever seeing anything quite like this I mean the thing is for you the viewer watching this 10 FPS here five percent difference there it might not seem like that big of a deal I don't even play those games you might say but that isn't the point our test Suite is designed to guide you toward the product that will provide the best long-term value not just in games today but in games in the future and that five percent today can easily turn into eight percent tomorrow or 15 a few years from now when faster gpus arrive and need more powerful CPUs to perform their best here's an edge case that illustrates my point very well factorio's unit simulation update rate is capped in game to 60 per second that means that any one of our CPUs is going to deliver a peak optimal experience in this game but by forcing the game's engine to push Beyond these artificial limits we can at least attempt to draw conclusions about the benefits we might enjoy in future Sim heavy games if we choose the right Hardware today and the right choice isn't always obvious from the manufacturer's marketing you might quickly skim a headline or two and go oh okay 3D V cache is great I'll just get the best one with that but as you can see when we force factorio to run on the 3D V cache cores by disabling the other ones it performs right neck and neck with the 7800x 3D but when we leave it at default with all the cores enabled it falls way back in line with the rest of the pack pretty questionable behavior for a gaming CPU don't you think and pretty questionable behavior from AMD when they split up the launch of the 7000 X 3D product line I believed that they simply wanted to capitalize on early adopters who were willing to pay for more cores than they needed in order to get the latest shiny 3 3db cash chips I mean why play an ace if a tool do it's not an unusual strategy and is absolutely the reason that Nvidia slow rolls their product lineups top to bottom over time but the thing Nvidia doesn't do is launch a 4090 at Halo tier pricing only for buyers to end up ticked off when the 4070 arrives a few months later and is not only cheaper but actually performs better in games and it wouldn't have bothered me so much if AMD had seated review samples of the chips at the same time then simply staggered availability like we did with our screwdriver that is now live shipping on ltdstore.com but by splitting up the launches they created an environment where users who are seeking a review today of the ryzen 9 x 3D chips are going to find countless articles comparing against Intel 13th gen but very few comparing against the cheaper Superior gaming product in amd's own lineup now I doubt this strategy will make any kind of material difference to their sales in spite of Intel jumping a day ahead of amd's release 10th gen core I9 was a sales disaster but I just don't like being played and I feel a little played right now though of course there is the argument that none of this matters Anyway by the time you get into Ultra HD gaming which is likely where many of those ryzen 9s are headed we didn't test as many games at this resolution since there's only so many times you can try to split the same hair but the bottom line is that the worst we're looking at across the entire range of chips we tested is about six to seven percent however that is due to the Mass massive 20 range in F1 2022 if you're the kind of gamer then who prefers High Fidelity experiences over a Competitive Edge then GPU bound games like cyberpunk and Shadow of the Tomb Raider you're just not gonna notice a difference and the same is true in our Ray Trace 4K games where the difference is even smaller I'm still a bit irritated it is kind of my job because I could make that exact same well it doesn't really matter anyway argument about the ryzen 9 x 3D chips as I move into our productivity results if a few percent FPS here and there doesn't matter to you in games well then you still should be paying the premium for these x3d chips because you would still be more than happy gaming on the regular X variants for cheaper and those non-3d chips will perform anywhere from about the same as their x3d equivalents to even better outside of games sorry this has gotten a bit derailed the video is supposed to be about the 7800x 3D and as you see on all of these charts it isn't a top performer here but we never expected it to be though it did Crush another metric that we did expect in our review of the ryzen 9 x 3D chips we took issue with amd's marketing they called them gaming CPUs but we felt that their strength was actually in their efficiency and we are seeing the exact same thing here except that it is also a standout gaming value I know that the average gamer doesn't salivate over better performance per watt but this chip is so exceptional that I gotta slow you down and talk through this if you game two hours a day in California your 7800 X 3D is going to cost you about 750 a year to run for context amd's closest non-x3d the 7700x is gonna cost you more like 950 and an Intel 13600k about nine dollars now watch this let's add an hour a day of video encoding or 3D rendering some other heavy load then let's assume a five-year lifespan for this system and holy crap the total cost of ownership goes from a boring metric for data center Architects to a serious consideration for enthusiasts and Gamers especially if they live in a region where energy costs are spiraling out of control like in the UK of course though value over time isn't the only consideration when specing out a new pc how much is this thing costing me today Linus less than you'd think at launch amb's am5 platform took a lot of flack for being poorly positioned compared to Intel's relatively inexpensive LGA 1700 socket they did have the benefit of a supposedly longer support roadmap but amd's record on that is imperfect these days at best and the chips the RAM and the motherboards were very expensive nowadays though the story is quite different a solid b650 board is going to run you around 200 US dollars 16 gigs of high-speed ddr5 will set you back under a hundred and the fastest gaming chip on the Block the 7800x 3D is going to cost you 450 bucks throw in a GPU and some other bits and Bobs and you're looking at an absolutely killer machine for less than fifteen hundred dollars still not cheap but if you want to save a buck the 5800 X 3D is still out there for a hundred dollars less and the market is flooded with dirt cheap am4 motherboards and ddr4 memory I wouldn't say then that Intel is down for the count but they do need to counter hard or it's going to be hard to come up with a reason to build blue that is at least for now almost as hard as a reason to segue to our sponsor thanks to mine for sponsoring this video mine is the Smart data assistant that helps you discover where your data is and helps you keep it where you want it to be with mine you can exercise ownership over your data and reclaim your right to be forgotten 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Length: 13min 43sec (823 seconds)

Published: Wed Apr 05 2023

Reddit Comments

[u/wtfrd42258]

Props to Linus for discussing the anti-consumer nonsense, showing some results in more "realistic" scenarios and showcasing just how much Intel needs to improve it's power consumption.

Seeing a review talk about the TCO is refreshing.

[u/Heikkila14]

Faster than the 7950x3d in their results, so much for it being slightly behind the 7950x3d in gaming according to AMD.

[u/angrykrabba]

I disabled 1 CCD on my 7950x3d and gained a huge performance boost @ 1080p

https://preview.redd.it/clunhu4jp4sa1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=aafbaf8bfe7089fb04a108d3ff969d570db9c1b2

Tested In Far Cry 6 benchmark.

[u/Kr4k4J4Ck]

Are there any reviews that cover Unreal Engine games, I didn't see any one Hardware Unboxed, Linus or Gamers Nexus

[u/Advan0s]

Yeah i think I'm just going to buy 5800x3d and keep it for like 10 years or something

[u/Splintert]

Anyone who thought a 8:8 or 6:6 core cpu would beat an 8:0 core cpu didn't pay any attention to the past 6 years of AMD CPU releases. It's always been like this. One CCX > multiple CCX for games.

[u/Drinking_King]

Gotta agree with the ginger man this time. This was a dirty sales tactic to force the 79X0x3Ds on people. Which I find outright stupid, because they have now sold this chip for about 1 month and it'll be remembered as "the bad pick" and "the scam" for years.

If you want to sell them, it's pretty simple:

• 7800x3D for games
• 7900x3D for cheaper high tier gaming and productivity
• 7950x3D for highest end gaming and productivity

and you insist a lot in the marketing on the lower power consumption.

Linus did a better marketing job selling the value of the x3D chips in the last 5 minutes of his video than AMD's marketing team did by doing nothing. And instead of doing nothing, they chose this dirty move to try and hide that the top end X3Ds were just not that interesting right now.

[u/CatalyticDragon]

Releasing your highest end parts first to help recoup R&D costs has been standard business practice since the industrial revolution started. Complaining about it now and calling it deception is really stretching things perhaps even into dishonesty.

You release high end, high margin parts first for a lot of sensible reasons;

1. Claw back some of that initial outlay.
2. Grab some marketing mindshare from a halo product.
3. The practical effect of giving you some time to build up inventory for the volume parts.

Everybody had the specs, the prices, and the release dates at the same time.

You have to be a special kind of person to turn your inability to wait a few weeks for the part you want into "deception!"

[u/ThisToxicProphet]

I just watched this review while I was eating jalapeno mac and cheese with some chicken bites and they were so fucking good guys