This trend NEEDS to stop with motherboards!

I told you guys in my CPU complaints video about how the CPU Market is just so oversaturated now with too many skus and stuff remember there were 35 of them in current generation between Intel and AMD I said I was going to kind of move on to the topic of motherboards uh when it comes to buyer advice and sort of just some whiny complaints that I have about the current motherboard landscape and then give you guys some advice on how to just cut through the fluff and get what you need and save some money DK water blocks is a premier leader when it comes to All Things water cooling their lineup includes fittings tubing tools radiators fans pumps coolants and of course water blocks the vector 2 Series GPU blocks utilize a 10 millimeter thick copper cold plate and a 3D machined acrylic jet insert for improved flow distribution and thermal performance every Vector 2 water block includes a high grade aluminum backplate that encloses the entire GPU with its distinctive L-shaped profile for 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go back to this motherboard right here this is an old FX AMD CPU wow it's so light it's just weird feeling anyway this is an old AMD FX CPU motherboard and this is the ga 990fx aud3 the ud3 was one of my most recommended motherboards of the era because of the cost to Performance the feature set that you got for it uh shout out to the PCI slot still existing on here by the way and Air when PCI was already pretty much phased out anyway moving on it didn't have anything super fancy it never was flat because it twists when it's just sitting there under all the tension that the coolers and stuff put on there but you know it would flatten out as you know uh it's supposed to do that part of the design anyway it just it had what you needed all right we had one two three four five six PCI Express slots couple of them are 1X and then we had an uh 16x and then you know this is 8x that's a 4X but anyway I digress I gave you what you needed it got the job done four dim slots and it was robust and if you got the Rev three or higher it was reliable this motherboard was like a hundred dollars or so at the time moving on what was considered an expensive motherboard at the time with something like this msim power this is back when MSI had basically three tiers of product they had the gaming tier which had red accents they had like the productivity tier or their mainstream tier which had the blue accents and then they had their overclocking tier which was their yellow accents and it was simple it was like small medium and large in terms of what you wanted to get this board feels significantly heavier than the gigabyte counterpart this is a z7 a z97 almost a z790 if that shows you how far we've come this is the z97 chipset with a 4770k currently installed by the way subscribe if you guys aren't if you're interested in the fact that we are going to be hooking up this over 10 year old system now well about 10 years old to see how it handles today's games in low settings and stuff to see if you're running something this old is it time to upgrade so anyway subscribe if you're interested in that video but moving on if you wanna know how old this is too this is fourth gen Intel Intel Core we are on 13th gen so do the math on that anyway moving on this motherboard at the time was about 280-ish dollars depending on you know if you could find a sale or something yeah back then the price is advertised are the prices that they were imagine that moving on though this is what was considered an expensive motherboard if you wanted something exotic you'd get something like this EVGA classified sr2 yeah the pins are smashed on this but this was given to us just for display piece because I love the way it looked this is when it was like super custom dual proc obviously on here just a complete one-off super high-end balls to the wall type of build when EVGA was still like kind of doing that sort of stuff okay so what's this motherboard cost 569 bucks at the time all the Articles and stuff were like this is such an expensive system but it was also a very off like Edge case and it comes when it comes to use cases and stuff well let's talk about current pricing right this is the z670e Crosshair hero motherboard from am from uh Asus Republic of Gamers for the new you know am5 chipset or N5 socket and new chipset for amd's 7000 series processors this is the same motherboard I'm using in my personal build at home this is actually the bad one that kind of leans into some of the complaints I have about the fact that you can even get a bad motherboard in with with the cost that they are this motherboard is not top spec this motherboard is not top of the line and it's also technically the most expensive motherboard second most expensive motherboard I've ever used in any of my high-end builds at 700 spending 700 on a motherboard is like outrageous nobody should have to spend that kind of money on a motherboard they shouldn't need to exist so the guy who's actually running one yeah I know okay so I digress this guy is the same motherboard but it's the Crosshair extreme this msrp'd at twelve hundred dollars but I'm actually seeing them on like Newegg and Amazon for about a thousand this is the first time I've seen something go below MSRP for the most part because of the fact that if people are not really shopping twelve hundred dollar motherboards this one component costs as much as this entire build did back when I used this motherboard this was my personal weatherboard I used this system personally so how did we get here first of all how we got here has nothing to do with chipset or cost of chipset or any of that it has even less to do with like the quality of the components that are on the motherboard because back there in this era of like the M power and the gigabyte um Ultra durable the ud stands for Ultra durable by the way that was like advertising solid Japanese capacitors you know it was like better chokes multi-layer PCB you know that kind of stuff which is all true however those components themselves do not raise the motherboard prices 3x or 4X in terms of cost what you've started to experience now is competition amongst the motherboard Brands themselves one upping each other on a feature to the point where we've leapfrogged ourselves now to thousand dollar motherboards so back then back here you'll notice there's no m.2 there's no nvme didn't exist yet in fact the biggest thing you'd find people asking a motherboard reviews back then and finding and seeing the USB 3.0 header on here like this was like amongst the first era where you're finding it like on the motherboard standard and you can find it here as well on the uh on the ud but look we had three usb2 headers right there and a 1394 firewire which is kind of rare but again time for different what you started seeing were companies start to one-up each other on features so how many setup six ports did it have was it you know SATA 6 or was it SATA three you know that kind of thing and so now we're finding motherboards that have OLED screens on them they have q code readouts they have live voltage monitoring headers multiple USB 3.0 USBC built-in Thunderbolt um how many m.2 slots does it have how many layers is the PCB is it made out of solid gold you know to the point to where these features over time has started adding costs and cost and cost and as the motherboards got more robust the vrm coolers like the the chunks of aluminum they're sitting on here to keep them cooler have gotten a bit more well I mean if we compare it to like the ud right they've gotten a little bit more robust but again that doesn't add three to four times the cost what has kind of led to a lot of where we are today just is unfortunately inflation with within the Tech Community itself and this is this is not even like Kobe related this is a trend that was going along for a long time so motherboard manufacturers would absolutely love to have you believe you have to buy their high-end stuff to get the Ultimate Experience now I have a couple motherboards on this table uh that I have purchased that are great examples of motherboards that aren't going to quote unquote break the bank but they are absolutely going to give you a solid uh platform to build your system on without all the extra cost associated with it so the first one I have right here this is the Asus z690 tough this is actually a D4 which means it is a ddr4 version of the motherboard so it doesn't use ddr5 which is perfectly fine but you'll notice here we don't have like funky solid covers everywhere making it so you can't see any of the PCB because that's one of the things you'll notice too as the motherboards get more expensive you see less of the board and it's really freaking heavy like this armor thing on the back is nice it helps you potentially not short stuff out but again all these things lead to cost but the tough comes in in about 269 dollars and here's the funny thing remember when I said that was how much the top tier cost back then I see a lot of people now questioning how good a 200 motherboard could be back in the day and I say back in the day I'm talking about like when I started my YouTube channel in 2012 we would I would recommend a lot of 79 motherboards all day long because the motherboard the motherboard just did its job things connected to it and that was all there was to it it could it completed the connections amongst the components and then and then the BIOS handled everything else it was it worked there was just none of this extra tier stuff so you'll notice this doesn't have an OLED screen on it heck does it even have a Q code readout it does not it's going to have debug LEDs though just about every motherboard these days has an LED that will light up red if something's wrong and it'll tell you on the manual or at least on the PCB written out CPU hard drive GPU whatever you can build a solid system off of a 250 motherboard and feel perfectly fine about it and it just absolutely blows my mind that I'm having to say that right now and convince someone that 250 dollars is an okay price to spend on a motherboard because it's not too cheap a 250 motherboard 10 years ago was just like the top of the line that's that's the thing this right here is the MSI MPG Edge motherboard why is it sticky it's actually sticky anyway moving on it's sticky I don't know why it's performance goop Corsair brings gaming to the next level with the Xenon 45 inch flexible OLED Xenia on Flex display with up to 240Hz refresh rate 0.03 millisecond graded gray response time motion blur canceling anti-reflective coating burning protection and customizable Bend based on user's preference has any on Flex from Corsair allows Gamers to truly tailor their display to their liking click the link below for more details uh again you'll see this motherboard doesn't have a Q code readout it doesn't have an OLED screen it doesn't have anything flashy it does actually have you know covers down here you're going to find most motherboards these days are going to have you know three m.2 slots at least minimum two they're probably gonna have three one under here probably two under here right there this is potentially even another one but it's again this is a 299 dollar motherboard I bought this I bought two of these on Amazon actually just to have on hand for builds and it's funny because I bought the MSI brand one specifically because of the fact that um I was having so many issues with Asus boards lately I'm like it's just time to try another brand just to see what's been what's happening but this has you know plenty of SATA on there it's got your USBC it's got your USB 3.0 your 24 pin header four slots for your RAM plenty of uh fan headers it's got your argb headers your 12 volt RGB headers and they'll support up to 3900k with overclocking it's perfectly fine you know I've seen it when we go to Micro Center I see as many people standing in front of the the CPU cabinet with their phones doing research trying to pick a CPU as I do seeing people stand at the motherboard aisle looking at different motherboard boxes trying to make sense of what what the difference is because now you'll have like a Wi-Fi and a non-wifi version of every motherboard let me tell you right now with the cost of motherboards there is no reason whatsoever for any motherboard not to come with with Wi-Fi integrated into it period any motherboard manufacturer that is charging extra for a Wi-Fi variant of a motherboard is doing so just because they can and it's in my opinion it's it's screwed up because at their cost I guarantee it it is negligible to be able to install it and not have to raise the price on the customer and have one skew so I'm going to take a look at right now is uh I'm going to look at Newegg and I'm gonna see just randomly looking at some motherboard tabs on here our motherboard uh skus what do they cost so okay sort by Price highest sold by Newegg I don't want the marketplace stuff because again that's just that's just crazy so it's funny some of their oldest are their their most expensive stuff is actually um older Generation by a couple gens and I think sometimes that has to do with someone needing an older gen motherboard like we had a garage sale the amount of people that were telling me like gee I need this particular chipset because I have this CPU and I need to reuse it in this build and do you have this yes I have some older stuff and I'm like yes and it all sold so if that tells you anything anyways Asus RG Maximus 8 extreme which is a z590 board for 1390 [Music] um we have the Asus Pro wsw 790 Sage uh which again is a it's a pcie 5.0 this is a workstation board for 1300. Asus Rog Crosshair x670e extreme if I translate that it's actually Asus Republic of Gamers Crosshair extreme 670 extreme extreme 998 dollars what does the extreme do that this doesn't has an extra extreme in the name this is an eatx board okay it has much bigger power delivery system in terms of phases and stuff it has the 90 degree header 90 degree stuff on there because it's eatx this also really limits how many cases it's going to fit in full cover down here but it's going to have like four m.2 slots down here it's got a 10 gig ethernet and a two and a half gig ethernet it's got one two three four five six seven eight USB 3 super speeds it's got one two three four USBC slash Thunderbolts on here um actually none of them are Thunderbolt technically but two of them are DisplayPort outs but the thing is like is this worth 400 more than that because think about it I could buy that and I can't believe I'm using this as an example of value I could buy the Crosshair hero and have four hundred dollars to put towards the CPU which could honestly pay for the CPU but in what in what planet should you pair a motherboard that's more expensive than the CPU with the CPU that's cheaper than it like I'm all day long I would say spend 250 on a motherboard and spend 500 on like a 13 900k or a 7950x level CPU and profit and by profit I mean just have some sort of value there there's there's the expensive motherboards it's just a trend I hate to see because I I love PC Building I want everyone to have a computer and be able to build a computer but the problem is when the when your low end entry level stuff now is approaching approaching the pricing that the high level stuff was 10 years ago this is more than just inflation this is artificially inflated at this point because even if you do the price conversions they're nowhere near where they are today so I know this video probably just kind of seemed all over the place but I feel better when I vent about this sort of stuff the brands say they're listening they say they take the kind of stuff we as creators say seriously I feel like they should maybe prove it by having more entry-level products that are under 200. again a sentence that sounds so weird to say because to me an entry-level motherboard would be like 55 which is what you could spend a while back yes you have the B series motherboards yes you have both B series for Intel and B series for AMD because they're all just copying each other now on naming but the reality is there's even less skus available to you there and less and it's just they spend all their time marketing Z series stuff but Jay you have only Z series stuff on the table Yeah because guess what that's the only crap they'll really send us yeah we I think we have two B series motherboards for modern gen stuff sitting out there um and the problem is if you go and you shop between the two you'll find there's not much cost difference between a B series motherboard and a Z series motherboard so at that point you're like you might as well at least get the Z series motherboards because you are getting bios feature sets an unlocked overclock ability for a few extra bucks and to me that's worth it with what we do maybe not for you all right anyway enough of that enough complaining and stuff just when you're shopping for motherboards really honestly ask yourself do you need the extra features that are on the motherboard the extreme over the hero this these are next to each other in the SKU lineup that's how much of a price Gap that there is there is no feature on the Crosshair hero uh that doesn't exist that I would need the extreme for if that makes sense they both have OLED screens they both have you know um well the irony is if you look at today's motherboards they have even less PCI Express slots than they used to back in the day so ask yourself are you really getting anything for the money 200 to 250 that's as much as anyone should ever have to spend on a motherboard take the extra money and put it into uh your CPU or your GPU like I've said there's ways you can save money on a build and you don't you don't need this level of stuff thanks for listening

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Length: 18min 51sec (1131 seconds)

Published: Sat Apr 15 2023