Gun Shop Employees, What Red Flags Caused You To Deny A Sale? - AskReddit

I need to see if it fits in this backpack first a school backpack people who work in gun shops what are some red flags you've seen that made you deny a sale something I can answer when I was younger I landed a seasonal position as a gun counter person at a local gun store I never actually received a training or anything on when and why did deny assail we were told to only deny a sale if it was an obvious straw buy where the background check came back as a no-go one morning about 15 minutes after we opened two females enter the shop they stood at the door for a moment and I greeted them and asked if they needed help one of them responded that they were looking for a gun for home defense I said sure we had plenty for that purpose I began to show her some handguns and some 20 gauge pump shotguns we chatted for a minute but the other woman had not said a word the entire time the other woman had not even glanced at her the entire time so I asked if she's ever owned or fired a gun before and she said no so I suggested maybe attending some courses we offered right there in the shop she declined and wanted to pick up a gun that day she eventually settled on a point two to semi-automatic pistol I tried to argue with her that point two to LR is a poor choice for self-defense but it's better for a small game use that it wasn't effective for assailants that while deadly as any firearm bullet is it was less likely to be a stopping round unless she was able to land precise shots perfectly every time she argued that the point - - was perfect for what she wanted it for whatever I can't change her mind and it was a fairly pricey 22 pistol so I was happy to take the commission as I had her take a seat in our back room and complete a background check I had began to box up the weapon the quiet woman approached me turned out the woman was her sister and was very against the woman purchasing a gun and tagged along to try and convince her otherwise she very quietly told to not sell the woman a gun that she wanted to firearm to shoot at some local kids on her street that skateboard near her property so that's why she choose the point - - she saw it as a benefit that it was less likely to kill and I had essentially argued for more reasons for her to settle on the point - - so I made the call and decided to veto the sale luckily for me she actually checked yes on the line that asks if you have ever been declared mentally defunct go figure I told the woman that I can't sell her the gun because she filled it out that way and that her owning a firearm would be illegal so she just left the store without a further word super-weird I can tell you one time when I almost got denied for purchasing a rifle it was a bolt action point 3:08 made by Savage the rifle came with a scope not great but just a little extra over there standard rifle in that package the store was over an hour away and so I invited my younger brother to keep me company during the ride he was 17 or 18 at the time as I was wrapping up the sale we had friendly banter back and forth with the salesman and I was talking about videos of several men pegging popkins at 1,000 meters with this gun and my brother for whatever stupid reasons I can only attribute to being young and dumb says hey we need to test it on some people dumbfounded I just looked at him and I was just thinking what the hell why would you say that the salesman was understanding and very kindly replied you need to be careful with that language I can refuse this sale to you I politely apologized and reprimanded my brother for saying something that ridiculous I had one guy who was a resident from another state come in and say that he wanted to buy a cz po7 I told him I legally can't sell pistols to out-of-state residents and he got pissed and stormed off maybe 20 minutes later he comes back with his brother who was an in-state resident and as soon as his brother walks up to the counter he points to the exact same gun and says I want to buy that one he didn't even ask to hold it or look at it first that's a clear straw purchase I told them to kick rocks I'm not going to break the law for you I had another guy try to buy a shotgun and answered yes to having been convicted of a felony I asked him if he was actually a felon you'd be surprised how many guys accidentally checked the wrong box this idiot looked at me and said yeah is that a problem dude yes it's a problem the gun store I worked at had a varied and diverse clientele usually that meant that more law abiding citizens were looking to purchase firearms but the usual wacko or two would come by the one I remember clearest was the guy who came in and wanted to see only two types of firearms a pistol grip shotgun and a large frame revolver as I was asking him what he wanted those specific types of firearms for since they aren't really the greatest for home defense or personal protection he tells me that he wants a revolver because it won't leave evidence at the scene of a shooting I nope doubt of that one and told him we didn't have the type of equipment he was in search of I passed along his name to the local police but nothing ever came of it I used to work as management in Walmart and as such had to be licensed to do any job in the store including firearm sales there had been many cases of background checks not clearing which is normal one that I made a judgment call to refuse however was the guy who kept joking that he most certainly was not under any circumstances going to use this point to to rifle to shoot his wife you'd get all sorts of rednecks who think they're hilarious while they're gearing up for the next hunting season but by the third time he brought up not shooting his wife I just shut down the entire process had to have him removed from the building after his break down turned verbally aggressive I denied a handful of sales in two years attempted straw purchase not malicious this was usually a wife buying for her husband for a gift but had no idea what to get it's legal but a little sketchy illegal purchased by out-of-state residents this happened the most frequently you can only purchase from an FFL if you or a resident of this state or one that adjoins it first-time buyers are frequently not aware of this stank of marijuana could not have accurately filled out a 4473 could not shoulder a weapon would have posed a massive danger to himself where others the people who raised behavioral red flags almost exclusively shop for handguns which my store didn't sell or are just looking because they are too poor to afford even a $200 12ga aside from the many obvious straw sales at my store and several attempts to make purchases with a credit card under the wrong name and many people who were obviously high or drunk I almost got through the sale with one guy who wanted to buy a handgun he was a little jittery and weird but not quite enough to refuse a sale but then he started talking about the possibility of the coming apocalypse and the inevitable race war he mentioned how every race has genocide at some point he didn't hate any particular race but obviously we all have to stick together if it comes down to it I explained that despite our matching skin tones he and I were not on the same page our story was not going to provide him with a firearm he actually left without any argument this was at my old job so this man comes in at 9:30 thirty minutes before closing he has his two kids with him and both of them look uncomfortable and won't make eye contact the man is acting a little strange too and I feel pretty uneasy about it already but I chalk all that up to maybe they're just a socially awkward family so as we're doing the paperwork the man is telling me about his life and what all is going on in it currently then he says he's divorcing his wife and starts complaining about all the things he doesn't like about her his kids still haven't spoken a word or looked up but they're so uncomfortable at this point that they're constantly shifting their arms and legs I pretend to keep filling out the form while listening closely to what the man is saying he mumbles under his breath almost where I couldn't hear him sometimes I could just kill her I was an 18 year old girl completely alone on that entire half of the store and I was flipping my absolute crap inside I pretended not to hear him and kept filling out the form while actually cancelling it then I said okay I'm at the point where I need a manager's approval for the form to go through one second and let me get him and get the gun out of the back room so I go to the manager's office and I tell my manager there's a man wanting to buy a gun and I think he's going to kill his wife with it he says okay let me handle it and you stay in here until I come back by the time he comes back it's already half an hour past when my shift ended he said he had to get the police to escort the man out of the store and I believe he was arrested but I can't entirely remember since it was a good many years ago that memory still scares me because what if I hadn't have hurt him I was the only thing standing between him buying a gun that night to shoot his wife I still wonder about whatever happened to them I used to sell firearms when I was in college only a few years ago though 2016 to 2018 there were a few times where I denied people that weren't already denied by the next check probably the most absurd was a guy asked me what gun will have the most blowback if somebody comes in my house I want to see him fly in another room like the movies that was an auto deny for me and contacted my manager not sure what happened after that usually we would call all the other gun stores in the area within an hour half drive and share information another one was a younger guy came in and asked would you recommend this gun for suicide while filling out paperwork I denied him as well and reported it to my manager like the one above the majority of people that will be denied already know they can't own guns don't both this kind of surprised me when I started I though denies would have been way more frequent I've overheard a co-worker working the firearms department be asked I need to see if it fits in this backpack first a school backpack kiyomi standing behind him and waving at my coworker silently with that do not pass go do not collect $200 waive you do with your hands kind of crossing shaking my head mouthing no no hell no he didn't get sold anything and the store owner alerted the ATF and FBI after we briefed him on what happened no idea what happened to him but CCW or not he wasn't getting a gun from us thanks for listening to radio ammunition hit the subscribe button and activate the notification bell for more videos like this and please let me know your crazy gun store experiences in the comments below [Music] [Music]

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Length: 10min 27sec (627 seconds)

Published: Sat Aug 31 2019