Glasgow Gangster Paul Ferris The Wee Man | True Crime Podcast 409 Scotland

foreign [Music] was because it was a high purity I don't know whether they moved it's a Mercury towel or they put an indicator on but the bomb exploded underneath the passenger seat killed on it though I've never known it as the god named The Other Side let's go and see The Godfather if they died they would go and see a movie and I went well actually you're done he says I've got a jeweler shops uh I know the things I'm looking for some of the producer I take it when I show up but there was a lot of severe blooming the anger got tell me you'll sort these feet work one day and I died but James did put a nice up put it on his neck the guy stood in the chair James just kicked the chair over walked her and shot the doorman mum will go for lunch now I'm looking going guys dad let's go over there and the people that are using these I don't believe they set her to kill people jumping on me but you had a wrong tendon somewhere you hit something when it bleed to death [Applause] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] [Laughter] we are greatly honored I've watched the way man a couple of times now it was on a wild man's all-time favorite movies I've watched Paul's other podcasts mesmerizing story and huge thank you for coming on Paul thank you Paul absolute pleasure thank you so yeah I've been honored with the first question today I never know I never normally get it so I'm pretty honest so Patrick Bergin who plays Arthur Thompson The Godfather in the film Wee Man you had a little story about him you wanted to speak I don't I actually stayed in the same uh hotel near the film studios the reporter it does later drink a lot of people like to drink but on this occasion we were sitting at the foyer in the hotel and uh there's no great secret about the fact our day light up off all right so I'm outside I'm having a puff uh Patrick berkins walked to it because the patio doors was open and I searched on and says he's smoking that stuff son no but yeah did you want to put yeah 12 rolled them one and then went upstairs uh to the hotel room and by that time uh when I came back down in the left the doors weren't quite surreal the the left doors is on Patrick Bergen's there and I said all right Arthur and he's about no I said what's wrong with you can I get another smoke let's say but the patio doors were shot by this time and we're up myself and having a cigarette and I've asked him about his past career he's got a phenomenal TV uh and and then I said to him what what is your possession now he said uh half drunk half Stone I died tomorrow son come on what she says I died tomorrow all right but should we die tomorrow Arthur's there then the father and uh she's character so then I've asked them how many movies he's been on and how many times he's died and he went oh that shall be the 12th lovely movies and they get killed oh I died a lot of people criticize the fact that he's Scottish no worries but the when Rebuilders and the carnival done the movie it's a a global audience classical people would notice the difference uh as is it something we could have changed was it well with my control but part to me something like Patrick Berlin was went fantastic the only problem was when he finished the the the the smoke he thought the part of the walls were still open and bounced off them so he nearly was there the next morning anyway but that was his character and the pub and and powder great a nice guy to talk to as well big name yeah and so fair play for dinner and the actor playing you was uh Martin constant um I know him from liner GT Mass Effect I knew Martin the I never knew of him I knew him before uh uh another movie is on sweet 16. uh great movie bro and then uh won the Three Brothers within the casting that they mentioned Martin constant and I met Martin a few times he's very very professional actor uh it's just unfortunate to uncovered uh that we never another deal because it is then moved on to BBC he's probably he's got all these different things that's gone from he's he's the BBC guy does it does he want to go back and play me no no so there's a new six-part series that unfortunately Martin won't be involved on but what he done was an absolute credit to to the film uh I went on on set a few times had a good chat well I'm very close a very funny guy and a good Celtic supporter as well so we had a great bit of fun watching well uh a lot of people were saying oh surely he could do the second part in a friend of mine of knowing them socially through the uh through the movie and I watch him well and do it he's done so you said you've got a six-part series coming uh well those are potential six part series coming up now it's called Uh rain of the underworld and what we have got is Sir Jack Peppard media and asked the owners why do you call it Jack felt a media and it's took between uh some of the Rolling Stone stuff and the jump Jack Flash and the The Beatles the Jack pepper of whatever it is so they put the two of them together it's actually Brian Anderson who's a renowned photographer and Ian Jeffries who was the understudy theory about this for all the works so what they've looked at is total six-part series it's going to come from Glasgow Edinburgh Newcastle Liverpool Manchester and London it will start for the 70s come through in the 90s so that would be little series one some of them interested to develop myself because uh rtb part as a consultant and do what I can do oh okay all right so for our International audience then we're not familiar with your story Paul just to set the stage a little bit at the back your background growing up in a wee man I was particularly moved by your relationship with your father what was it like growing up well you grew up and your relationship with your father well I was born in Glasgow and hugginsville Street in 1963. uh my dad as I was growing up had two single decker buses where my dad was a Protestant my mum's a Catholic it was kind of taboo and Glasgow it was like it's like a mad thing that was going on but my dad and because he did the football fixtures celt it would be playing away one weekend and then Rangers were playing another weekend and Annie had these uh his private traps to let the Vatican the weddings sort of things and my job was to clean the bus but but to clean the bus was to sweep it up and and I remember one day because we lived on hogenfield Street which was vulner block uh Harrison uh when you would follow them I was at the private area I was lucky that the dad was working full-time he had his things and accidentally when I was cleaning the bus one the there was a one of these seats that was not put on properly and I thought I couldn't push and clicker so I've opened her and found two or three quad then I thought that must be more than this so my job was right up at the back of the bus flapped by the seats up my dad used to give me 53 for cleaning I said maybe three or four clubs never declared though so I was kind of uh I I remember a young uh a young guy maybe less than 10 years of it playing football Zombie kicked a bone and stuck on it the fence and went I said don't worry we'll go and get a new one so we went and let's post office shop and the lady behind it could I keep saying we've got cooler curves we want this and she's putting them up and she's looking at me and said and who's paying for this how about me I don't have a very very good upbringer uh until I realized that when my dad went my dad was a an armed robber and when he vanished off the scene we used to go and visit my grand at lunch time and I get toast and bins and then my mom came back she was off uh a worker a cleaner and uh the the hotels and the hospitals and I get toast and beans again so I was Associated my dad just lost the toast and bins so my dad could spend five years on Prison but they're upbringing was it was great we knew everybody was a great Community uh and then a lot of nonsense started at school so uh for the ages of 10 uh probably two is about 12 there was a lot of severe billing gonna told that Vanilla Ice to my mum theft I fell downstairs upstairs my black guy was really a black guy and then just nonsense but that made me very very vindictive that brings us to that scene that upset you and upset well when a dog gets your dog gets stumped on to be fair we're not I read the scratch uh we were able to real confirmness but what when I first read it I had to stop it and say Ray I love dogs it's a passion why have you put that on remember that's a film that's not a documentary it's not a docky drama he's using it as a thread and he said to me the the reason why he's put that um about the dog is because uh the young actor uh Daniel care they couldn't expose him to to the level of violence that I got through the film uh but what is that she has uh John of course it got about right I mean to be like quite honestly he then said powerful can you swear yeah he said Paul for foxy you've either got somebody Idol's got a dog a cat a hamster a budgie a goldfish a parakeet whatever it is and see if they've not got one Sunday has a good one what you try to do is use the thread and the empathy my dog did get killed but knowing that protect my fashion but it did get killed it kicked the ribs and uh any detail but pet lovers would know the rib went through the long and it drowned uh and and it's time so it was up it was kind of kind of powerful I I know I'm laughing I shouldn't laugh because when we've done the premiere in London it was two old ladies uh that you have to go and meet the investors first thing they say that that you get the impact for the dogs I love it now those bullets flying about bonds they're beautiful and they talk about the dog and I thought all right yeah yeah I don't get them back and money on where I Told You So Ria's got another couple uh but you can tell the elderly and uh the gentleman said to me did you get them back for the dog son and I've looked at Rave oddest again I've next one it asked me I need to tell them the whole story they focused on the forget about the thousands of bullets and bombed and explosives and tells a dog did you get them back and they're all good told you we got them but uh realistically it's a thread it was artistic license that I understood uh it's not a documentary it's not a docky drama it's a film it's that entertain people he's got 120 Minutes to fold us and and that partly the scene set the process for the ones that what create the violence that was the only part you couldn't watch wasn't it I had to turn away yeah and hide under the cover yeah I can't stand the thought of anyone hurting an animal so yeah I can see how it stuck the dog did die it was assaulted uh enough and a graveyard never happened like that but in the movie uh some the dog died that's fact the how it happened was autistic license and really was very clever because the next Finance scene was your girlfriend getting government time getting attacked at a house party and yourself walking away and coming back and scalping and well I don't know if I can say it's putting a knife up the man's bum who's trying to rape your girlfriend there's a lot of misconceptions for that one because it wasn't my girlfriend I was asked John the the live interview with the Jewish people uh it was uh no no I wasn't even Caught no I was attracted to her but she had a boyfriend we're at school and let's particular time I'd been hiding on the bushes uh because I know those are a party going on and there's people in that I see when I was revengeful this is where I'm gonna get these back test them out which I'm going to get them so they're in this party we run the bushes when I say we it's me and a friend of mine in the build shoes and I saw this girl coming up it wasn't my girlfriend she's a school friend but probably a girlfriend that you say it's a friend that's a girl yeah I wasn't foreign but she was followed during this party uh probably looking a bit drunk and and some did steal a few things and punched her right over this this fence and there was a few sexual things getting mentioned uh the people who were doing it we went there I wasn't there to be in and put to them but I couldn't sit in the bushes and we'll see enough until I've jumped it and uh somebody lost an apple because it was a nipple no the guy lost his nipple uh somebody get stabbed in the arm I get ambushed and uh very flexible put the thing right behind me and could I swear again yeah stuck over you have his ass all right so there were three of them now got this girl away our name was for clarification for fish you might want to add this so her name was Ellen which is a very very good she was actually a friend my girlfriend at school but at that time she's probably 16. she'd never been at that party anyway but the I'm not very safe but alien uh to be honest I'm not it's about an Evangeline people and I never done it see these Lads did they end up in hospital for a while after but I ended up missing accident emergency because I got my face cut people wonder why I got it because one of them put me in a headlock over a fence and the one that caught me was the one that got the the knife up his rectum so when um family getting snatched up I know I'm laughing I shouldn't laugh at these things but while I'm going to start stop there's three of them in different cubicles talking about that Ferris when we get him and I thought oh here we go I just looked at the trolley stole the sizzles scalpels I'm up fragging bandages but it never came in that I just got stretched up and then I had to move from my mom's to Butterfield because the three guys that are done well big players was there a point Paul where you went from being bullied to turn into tables was there some was there a catalyst I I think the Catalyst was uh when my dad was in prison uh my mom used to go to what in the morning Chad Walker went to the bus stop and the reason why I walked up to the bus stop was because I used to tie him up step by step getting to the the main road as I said our traffic lights then there's a school the minute the traffic lights went and you had so many steps before the Bell goes then you've got your line up so I've read I've read some psychology about the pavlovian food either but the dog that was mine wow every month I used to count the steps take on there and and the queue uh get your name red gone immerse yourself in your education and then bang another bill so there's a good bill that's a bad Bill good bill was getting done in the morning the bad Bill was lunch couldn't have faceless and then having it come back on again and I remember a few times when I say violence let's look leg s she get punished to take stuff off that never happened every day but they feel it happened every day with some uh Atlantic cry through anger and and that was walked in my dance for lunch and the anger turned to rejection I never knew how many how much fluid you could have in your eyes I just the anger got tell me you'll sort these feet work one day and that Dad is the fact that they go off lightly would you say the satisfaction of casting Revenge was quite addictive I don't think satisfaction as it satisfaction is showing your dirt but I I think for under for other people we understand what I've done there's a report I don't make any excuses for what I've done uh probably could have done a lot worse of circumstances but different it's just the fact that that I feel good about it you know that I thought and I want tonight what subjects were you most interested in what was your relations with your teachers like oh great at uh brilliant English teacher and one of the things he kept going about was the captain cook and then Devon the New Zealand and and one of the things I've done was we made I've done a replica of the ship but use matches with glue and glue that all back up and I got awarded a book uh which was uh Johan Cruyff the certificate the first thing I ever bought my wife and then recently when I started mentioning one 12 years ago that obviously the teacher had has passed away but his son knew about it and he converted he went that was my dad that gave you that book you know and that was primary qualifications uh I'd spent a year in hospital uh just probably had an Elvis director and I never knew it uh that's from the psoriasis character how old were you then uh probably leaving Primary School Equity secondary school maybe yeah yeah I just it was something that worked catchy of these stories about or do you think that she's bad and putting your way to see what's happening there so there's loads of Brothers loads I I think I just lost that uh I remember getting took uh to the doctors uh and it was always a thing of it because you're comfortable area it must be scabies it must be an infectious disease much better and I never knew what it was but it was chronic and they identified that psoriasis so I spent a full year and the stop how Hospital and the kids what I'm I'm physically capable why not and I've seen kids that were really unwell and I was like what the am I doing here but the the the Nazis on there they had a hard time yeah I had 80 body mass psoriasis no but nothing on my feet my channel is my hands my face so when I was like the mummy put the coal Tire on and wrapped you up and I had the good rapport with Nazis because maybe on a Friday night they get a curry probably went back it was great to be in that environment sure when I went back to uh Secondary School that was a big state for me that was me but met a lot of few people knew people for different areas one in particular I'll mention just now these came back and my life as uh Jim Kelly just a few other people that you met that give you about strength that you could go and get the bus in confidence but stole that angers I knew that you're thinking if I see these people I'll walk this on but they went to a different school and I enjoyed it enjoyed it for the next couple of years English was probably my strongest fine but what I found recently is when you start to write as the eye before the e you know the grammatic my sounding makes me look a good writer the problem is what I've found is a former as recording uh it's only transcribe and there was one that happened recently was with Steve rith see if you get a Scotsman I draw the admin and then these wads come up and it just showed you how you can change one word that it can create a whole different story but we got there in the end it was great so when was your first brushing with the law first brush for the law was uh we have the the older boys uh that broke a uh being to the warehouse stealing everything quotes fellows and power tools and the problem with doing it for three or four months the time we get told about it we thought ah let us go um the the boys told us how to get on without certain alarms off this is going to take the window off the door take the glass to it otherwise the alarm's gonna go but what we never knew was there was loads of CID oh oh the house playing they call it house brightness yeah and Scotland uh it was a being here John walked on there with a friend in mine I've got a crowbar we know how we're going to get I'm going to take the window I know I heard was the radio was going off baggage baggage it's some like stuck in anyway bigger surrounded I get took the the crowbar off me and get hot over the head but and I remember line thing uh that's shouldn't be going like this and then I hear the alarm going through but not put the crowbarrow the door that we will never get in so the alarm goes off so I've got to tell the lawyer when I went to court I never had a lawyer I've got a court appointed lawyer and when I spoke to the lawyer about what matter of fact uh they couldn't entertain me because the blood's rushing them you probably see a scale there you know that he's took it right down a black hole police station and made a complaint and next day I'm standing at Street Corner two CID fill up the car and it's a threat it's a threat everybody else run away I didn't recently run away maybe the weird reasons to run away but that's passengers he said uh making a complaint um uh-huh should you drop it another I thought and how old were you at this point 15 15. I thought I just dropped left and he's uh I want to mention names but it was a well-renowned uh detective and Bird Street police station did you end up in young offenders at all uh never at that time I ended up the young offenders the first time I ended up on there was my dad was always forced for the the sexting to get a job my mum is still in bed yeah this happened daily a lot of people have had that you still on your bed for doors get kicked right anyway you've got your job center I got a job as a fanboy uh with a company called Waverly uh Ventus which is a subsidiary Scottish Newcastle Police what that does is you know what split says it's like Wayne's Champions and so did the whiskeys and so they deliver that uh had a great job there really enjoyed that uh getting 180 pound a week and there was one occasion where a friend in mine uh had stopped outside my parents house and I heard the home so I looked at the window and I thought I can't really stole a brand new BMW I need to tell me to take it away so when I brought them into the house it says BMW it butter you knew I could drive I could drive for very early Edge which a lot of people don't know but I learned that so they offered me a possession to be a driver because you couldn't trust people and I went well actually you're done this is I've got a jeweler shops I know the things I'm looking for some of the producer I take it and run at the shop he said when I run at the shop I've not got a driver I don't think and all right just put 500 equivalent give me 500 quads where's the blank blank say that was was black it was a different story right something else but remember panic and only had that 500 pound for my mom my mum was taught Catholic she would never tell lies that anybody saw I remember putting it on one of the speakers on my hi-fi and I refused it two or three times but he said keep up that's for us and the whole irony is my mum made me sandwiches every morning to go to work I know anyone I don't know I shouldn't laugh right but it got a stage where I had been arrested on a jewelry and then the Cox went back to my mum and said your son falls on Frozen and she went no she said what I don't think he is my mum was more pissed off she made with sandwiches for three months I used to put the overalls on the way what then take them off then go through something else so much so when I get arrested for uh an attempty theft uh uh that's when I got remanded to the young of to I get reminded people anyway first and bolani used to have a separate Wang for young offenders and I remember haven't you stand on this desk and look at it get about a sunlight and I could see my neighbor's back Gardens and I thought why am I doing and as kids we used to hide and the bushes near the pub and sang their song about the Black Mariah when it was a that was the Vans if you think he went no I've got a recall I can remember singing that song looking up at this one that was but but I'm looking back down and going how did I get here uh and then things developed so what year was that that would have been uh 1980 and 1980 I was took to court um I was given three months detention uh and the Detention Center I only know it was three months but the you know and this was something else that's just like a boot camp it says oh you've been growing up you'll get blankets on uh you don't really see it too much when you get home now there's no what so I'm marching still can't even shave but there was a thing in the morning they don't call it toilets they call it ablution right so in the morning you've got a pair of shorts on you get slapped us on you get a towel folded over there you get a plastic cup and uh to follow the queue I need abolitions and there's a prisoner of somewhere no foreign no thank you so if you stand there I'm saying why the I don't know I can't even shave So eventually I've heard no thank you sir but last time the president officer was obviously uh xluc I don't know it's because I was a Catholic but when I went to shave I kept the plastic but at these right hand out on my face I'm thinking I know it's either next time so detention I really enjoyed that after a while the discipline uh the worst thing I've ever done was put my hands up and say that I used to go back cross country and I thought I forgot I'm lying on demand I was last I don't have my own six minutes with this physical instructor picked me up they asked one cross country Runner second you'll be able to talk though so a man needs to get it done if I've I couldn't I couldn't beat five twelve Five Thirteen so it was average but I showed progress the further down there was throwing uh it doesn't great things that you could take for uh like the discipline the food the nutrition but the violence was up they were very violent and the The Next Step going for the young offenders uh another left the uh the Detention Center because another at another court case pendant they got first so I left the detention center and I went to court and then I get 12 months and uh the young offenders uh which was next door to the detention center but the funniest thing about it and there is I met somebody called James and Hill they called them nearly the bomb he's always making the explosive devices up he's just matches and stuff like that he was somebody who was a very much antennaunts because what you had the sex offenders on the planet they used to get mixed in the present and uh and all that James and Neil ran the prison gang and glenoku called The glenoko Wolves so because I've done about a time on the young offenders institution and they got caught with a shotgun and it's a big thing being a well uh pass and it being an illegal and awful cool wolves but you've got your sat and watch what somebody else is going to do it all I feel and some of these things were just the one I remember most was there was a sex offender next door to James Daniel and uh he said Paul come up and see me and the person chose uh that's normally Pleasant to us right but what he's done he's got a razorflade never cut it in half cut it done at the end but foreign you can put the knot up enter the bar and shut the window so he sent me this is shown so I can't even remember who it was that's his so-and-so show Paul how serious that you are for the crimes that you've committed and what you're going to do tonight sure he's got the nurse up put it that James has put a nice up put it on his neck the guy stood in the chair Jim just kicked the chair over walked to it shot the door mom will go for lunch and now I'm looking going guys dad it's quite it's good with that the time we get to the uh the dining hall did their checks it survived at there's been a bell that's been pressed he's been up and nearly died the James were just absolute nuts towards his feet oh the other one that I remember uh same thing again invited that it's on the office sale and he's got a piece of metal that's the the workshop and the prison and he said right sure Paul what you're going to do tonight all right and if the boycott his itself about and he's about no I do it properly I'll show you I sang this way and again I'm not saying nearly uh James O'Neill was uh potentially vicious what that's it after a while I changed what the is in this one they said probably wouldn't remember they've done out of cards do you know Hank their dads their moms their uncles and aunties would want to do something about it we're in prison that's my entertainment if you're in you're in if you don't want to then I thought come on so that's that's the experience that that had for a number of years the young offenders institution there were always targets sex offenders and grasses were always targets I could imagine and what other acts of violence were quite freaking Frozen uh that was a common thing that uh you would get a disposable razor blade and funny enough I had ones I don't even use so the stamp on it take the blade off it they get the toothbrush heat heat the toothbrush up get the plastic on it they milk the plastic back on it and then they get the red thread at the blanket and wrap it around so they've got a wet and shank yeah it's not showing a Shanks for stubborn what's what's the razor for slashing slashing the face of the neck [Music] children used well which is raises and sharp objects and that would be from 1980 to 19 84. I can imagine the conditions back in 1980 were pretty rough a bit porridge like Depends for your defense we had a map to one of the surreal situations as people who are in orbit presence they know that when you're going to get your food there's a steel tray those indentations on it where you put your you get a bowl of serve you get your mint of course and then you get your your your dessert uh I knew somebody was going to be having serious issues on the exercise yet and it kicked off before the exercise held and I went through last three but and I thought I thought I thought I got away with it do you know the fella who welds the weights behind the it's a prison officer who wears white because he's partly itself in the food oh I didn't know that so he saw me if I could saw that and I was like oh here we go and the worst pain that I've ever had in my life was when they jumped me so I've got a prison officer with that arm throws an officer with that um person after each leg so that's full first person officers hold your head done so you don't know why if they know where you're going you can going somewhere and that's fine run up behind me and kicked me right in the box or not you're floating here in the walking that was just a pin that I've never felt in my life until I ended I had the courage to say to them I hope you get back and tell your wife's and your girlfriends so you treat your how you treat it they just drop me if you met there which but it probably was took me two days to recover but they thought I genuinely heartless Fresnos it was an accident but I did tell them and I've had many home but that that's just sort of level of violence that you got and I get put on Charlie confinement for that I was on uh Demand on on valanie and uh because they put you on an escapee thing you're only allowed to your your pajama I'm not watching they're asking a lot of things it's it's it's funny at times because they take your prison clothes off you put them on a chair outside and give you pajamas which is great yeah because I always roosted for Java to put creams on and do everything but at night time they come and give you your tea I can't remember what heart does I've ended up losing the buttons off the the pajama top I get maybe half a cup of tea That's lying side but it's important and I lost one sliver give me your turn so I've managed to get a drink tea no no no uh tied the bottom it's like a blush there's no buttons on it so I've tied the book I'm looking for this other slapper can't find it but it's concrete floors so I've got the left slipper took that off and um standing with two feet on the one slopper just to keep the cold off right but this blow stuff because we've got no buttons on it and this screw comes running up and just my home goes I don't know I had a version of his black back Black Hill when I was younger when a skateboard if that makes sense I don't know but that was that mate that was it was just bad uh probably drew a lot of discipline how we reacted it was was definitely just the way it was in the young offenders situation so the Detention Center violent uh but I liked it but I don't I'm gonna say I don't like that I like the discipline when we wake up in the morning we get out of bed and we start our day with coral snacks Toro is a healthy snacks brand focusing on bringing additive free natural ingredients to their customers refer prices in bulk Packaging they have everything from nut Butters to free from baking ingredients to cooking Essentials and of course the snacks look what's in this gym it's a vegan power mix from Coro so we have a mixture of nut canals dried fruit KK nips soy Crispies and hemp seed hold what these little red ones that's good fresh and healthy so what makes Coral special in comparison to others coro's quality management team carefully and regularly reviews the quality of the products for the five percent discount on Carol's products use the code True Crime with no space in between true and crime the link to karos online shop is in the description box on YouTube thanks for supporting our sponsor young offenders that was uh violent prison officers to feel the Detention Center that worked next door and we cannot saw the Irish one that gave a lot of people the red and Ulster so unpleasant you know but that's fine Sean I get nominated as a shot starter when I see it I should start out I'll explain that for the benefit the audience please people get asked to donate either urine or excellent and I thought for what reason because it's going over our flows and also's head all right so when you get enough for that it's going to be done in such a way it's three cool and my job was just wish to start but how I had this thought it was was facts oh I put used to be fixed on them when I was gonna go straight that's not done leave a toe all over that it's only with angle and to speak to somebody else the punishment I I remember the noise the noise is just look weird but it was already sad the trash is already short and I've done that with somebody else is free but when it took off it it was like a slapping noise oh but I suck that I'd done at the time but he should remember I don't treat kudzler at the Detention Center because they grew up was there any repercussions from that oh there was otherwise the funniest thing was in the afternoon I went back to the hospital went to get a bath and what the President also done all this on the benches so everybody's working when he said only before they go to what I know I missed that so Johnny boy steal he gave me a tour around by the prison yeah and he was telling me stories of the big bad boss of ballooning and I think there was a scene watched slasher gallica so can you tell the viewers about slashing Gallery was a governor who thought he was a gangster and he would get an open yourself with several screws there I think the first one I'd done it was I I I got it to know about them after this career was getting finished at the point in time uh he had an alter occasion with Jeremy Boyle uh I even Alice last year they had to fight a mad fight that's what they call them slasher Gallagher but what it would do is being a prison Governor would be aggressive she's normally is a prison Governor he's got prison security and they can't cut like barley field a bad bad time a bad bad timing but I don't know how they've done that uh never actually met John I've left a bit a few East family first time but he had a bad bad table and and gave it quite a few about what you got but slasher garlic he was renowned and a governor acting like opening the door and saying okay you watched right now not too much but how could you fight somebody that's to get a gang now so if you beat him you're getting smashed up anyway but he was kind of famous and the piano system and belani and what was his downfall what was he down for I don't really know that Sean I think prop oh TV's going forward he took cartridges and it uh I first the shotgun counties to be accident but you shouldn't have them in there and someday and the security didn't let him go and moved up but apart for that even the prison officers didn't like them it was the don't let user sword Gustavo but they loved her and so did some onions so it was a bit older than me and the irony has uh Tommy Campbell bought his Autos when he got his compensation [Music] yeah but slice of garlic uh with Governor the same well I think he used the mentality that his gang was big on anybody else that's how they'd line up but I think it caught on the outside without his gang then he'd have been in trouble in the movie you get quite chopsy with the governor and the prison did that happen at that time I helped quite a lot because because the the second years you've got November when you're going to see the governor there's a long table so you can't get them all right so he SATs at bigtable he's got two body girls and you've got two people there or you've got is your voice and on that occasion that was took a something in which were when I was on the what they call the segregation the Wendy house in Bellini uh and that have friendly Pleasant officers but also had not so friendly prison officers right and there was one occasion I was slipped I know under under a door regarding the supergrassi was Dennis Whitman who was just getting took at the security wings with that and I was always Governor that signed them up so I waited until a week two weeks went past and then I asked to see security governor and then it was a whole series he said that we sit on is it two rottweilers with a spaghetti on the heart and you know the way it works on right and the big long table so you can't yeah it's always what so he was one lung yes because I put the request down to see the security governor so you're getting the right Ferry switch to the request I said the request as how well do you know Dennis said they Wilkinson and they looked at the right silly way towards these two security yeah did that name that's it helped it out now I said you'll be hearing a lot about that now why did you saying about such and such a date I just rattled or memorized that I said don't bother explain it to me and if you're involved and try to manufacture evidence against me you'll find out better when I get up I forget if I don't get hurt someone will come and pay your visit is that a threat I said no just you again Acorn explain how you don't know but you do you signed them out five times talk when you explain that one that's what I got so that was a friendly people telling me that we don't like what's going on here so and probably because I was a Catholic anyway and I brought us an environment that my dad I thought all of it before attacks but when you've got a green card and most of them are kind of got the crown on that that show the loyalty all right well could you explain to the viewers who Arthur Thompson was and how you first became aware of him what one Arthur Thompson Senior Arthur Thomas uh the first time that I heard of Arthur Thompson Senior as a kid uh there was an explosion that that took place uh roughly 150 yards to run my fiancee says uh going up my parents front door going through a backfield that resides on it Thompson's 1200 Mile Road so as the crow flies that was less than two minutes I never had the explosion we heard the better and apparently it was uh designed uh Thompson Senior because it was put under the passenger seat because you always had a driver you're one of the mafia films that the driver doesn't turn up the guy gets whacked that's probably what no I'm not saying what happened because I think the bomb was already planted the night before uh is mother-in-law who's absolutely innocent it's none I try to do out and and Arthur Thompson Senior decided to take her home uh I don't know whether they moved it's a Mercury towel or they put an indicator on but the bomb exploded underneath the passenger seat killed her out right so that was the bad news about who Arthur Thompson was and then growing up uh my dad had always said a few Choice words not again it was always warnings but as kids do you think you know about on all the rest of them but it was uh it was regarded as the fagger had uh never known as the god when they ever said let's go and see The Godfather if they died yeah it was either older so old man 80 matter of fact I don't even think they liked it uh at fact because he's he's seller sell later on Joe butrama had gave someone said that's the media spin they put on so the media gave him the name I think it was about balance with it but it played up to a few times as well to the magic so when I got to to Norm personally I spoke to him personally where there was a uh Association involved with one of his nephews uh I don't know if it was a stolen car but his nephew was driving a vehicle that hot pedestrian that had my young sister happened to see her and a partner I think she gave a statement to the police and different things like that so foreign and there'll be no statements for this family uh one explained that Arthur Thompson Senior then invited me to the problem now one to see him later on but he gave us a carton of cigarettes mum and dad never smoked but he gives a carton of cigarettes and a bottle of whiskey to take back to my dad so it was a little thanks for that that's how we do it that that's my first meeting and then you got approach to work for him we got pretty much do what I'm after that I was probably 16 17 and how it came at the attention was doing that particular time we'll go back to the building uh there was so funny enough when I see it funny and I don't mean it'd be funny about it but the family who was involved with the feud between Arthur Thompson the bombs and all the rest have to be the younger generation that was bullying me so the the things that are Dash to uh was uh horrific Scout someday somebody's throat get cut suddenly get really really sorted up and then when you when Thompson found out about this it became my enemies his enemy sort of thing and it was it was put to me at one time uh what are you doing all this for they couldn't understand why it was all gone I said building at school and that's when I was asked about do you want to do some similar for finance he's develop the anonymous yeah and I thought was that the way it goes yeah and that's what I met Arthur Thompson Jr he just got released foreign to be fair I'd like to see a lot of things about him but he's dead but what what I do remember about um was I'm not going to be disrespectful I love the fact that uh he loved off his dad's reputation one of the first things that I never got on them about uh was uh he's come up the house one day he's got a can I see as gas and there's an old fella walking up towards us thanks man I'll wait to see if this works spray that in this guy's first and collapsed and I thought I'd but he knew everything about Firearms they taught me a little bit firearms we used to make with a M you know ammunition and loads of other stuff it was very clever but mad at the same time uh I think because his dad and he's creating an Empire and all the rest of it so uh he was tolerated because he whose dad was and that was the main thing because yeah they put trade in the film as being a bit of a billy big bollocks uh that was probably on my old version the fact that even been put through it in the movie in real life people say it never water suit that's photographs he'll set me a shot and die there's people that wanted sympathize women different things like that he was dangerous financially dangerous he could pay a lot of money to different people to get things done that's a problem and what age did you well Tamara grow first coming into your life Tom McGraw uh Tim McGraw First Community my life I knew you were tired of a time ago I was lived in another part of the city and when I was involved um uh recording serving police officers uh about killing me uh but planting drugs I've had different things like because if I never had the recording nobody nobody's going to believe you so when Canada does I thought it was clever moon for a d Division and another version but it still struck like police and the guy that got me the first property and and balala was to Tom Bacon who was uh also an enforcer and debt collector for Thompson so he said Paul come over here and get away with it and the first time I was driving at the state he says there's a failure in here called Tim McGraw tell him hello the bollocks tell him knowing that you're then because he he's working with other people so right away before I even met Tom I grew I knew he was a police asset and that would be 19 uh if it was a police asset why did nobody put a hit on him that's right how many times uh quite a few I stayed in the bottom flat one time and there was people underneath his window somebody peeped to harm and he looked at the wrong window so he'd been very lucky on life but what you had was how it started he had his ice cream events and then you get the local uniform cups going to set the van so that their sleeve of cigarettes that would be he's compromising them he was he corrupted them as well as their corrupted time so very early stages he's reporting all the Vans reporting other people for doing this and at the stage these uniform cops have grown up to be sergeants detective Sergeant so that that's terrible but uh there was a a kind of scenario Tommy Campbell talked about it at one time where there was a an actual struggle between uh police officers there was one arrest them for some and see these crime Squad that was his asset having an argument in the streets where tug of war he's coming around this noise I've got no reason to believe this belief Tommy Campbell we're up but it was well known what he's done so was Arthur Thompson paying the cops off as well I I thought Thompson game Arthur Thompson was somebody who to my knowledge was providing vast amounts of firearms for loyalists there was a suggestion and there was information that came back that he was actually been working with Security Services because apparently they put trackers on it so when they they know where it goes that's what it was that's where you get left along quite a bit in the movie so I should keep referring back to it but your sister seemed quite distraught as you enter in into the crime world was that a realistic version of how she was acting it's probably quite an accurate I can't but my sister called Kathy Catherine at that time uh she did quite of her hard life so I never knew what happened when she was growing up I was just she was always there for me uh that was always a safe house that I could get back to and the the strange thing about it was there was a a place in Glasgow called uh a Battlefield the name of the street was Stanford Street and she lived in 1.159 Stanford Street which says the border between two gangs if you go to your right hand Tom you're in a place called The the torch I didn't talk to her or do you go left and this is far uh when I was young feel another fall of it but my sister she was always very very emotional uh she always she was like my second mum and she's still there and and then what she's done so that that's probably a very realistic now yeah but what was your hurriest moment working for Arthur Thompson the what the hurriest the like most dangerous moment the most dangerous moment uh the most dangerous moment it's quite a bit Firearms right because you used to make bullets up in the back garden and we're good and test them but that's that's particular time I'm not driving Tom Bergen's driving Arthur Thomas and Junior's in the back seat I'm the passenger seat so we get any of these country roads and he pops the sunroof and he's shooting at 30 male and Earth signs and what other things but what you forget says the casings no one done a bark your time and he looked at me and I had enough for us working here so you should watch that she's pressed the sunroof because it was kind of portly Tom said she's pressed the sunroof and he's jammed in and he just start damn starts rallying it run the country in a year Thompson Thompson junior show you don't slow down or tell my dad see that's if you make it so hairy ass time probably things like that or get any areas to collect money hey you don't know you don't even know if you're giving back up you know if you get that money there yeah no so when you're gonna have it [Music] and cut a guy's face on his front door for nothing how real was the scene with uh G Alfred Thompson Jr where you ran into the rival gang um and he didn't have a gun but he did he allegedly that was embarrassing was it I was embarrassing because I packed him up that day and the movie that's a red Mercedes I got involved with 264 GLE I'd packed him up and the the the that part in the film uh he's got autistic license but in reality what happened does he's in the Fasteners you'll see I've just picked him up we'll stop that set traffic lights and we can name the bank for others yeah yeah the banks from us we're coming back from sailing on the dhss because they've all got the same initial right some of them with a big quotes on but it's one of these serial moments Sam went for the traffic likes to go see them they see me the courts go up and luckily his bloodshot I've got put right on the windscreen where am I five or six shorts or purple so as you do right through the red light Thompson's screaming at me uh take me down I need to see my dad I don't think the new album's on the car and I'm saying what if why anyway so I'm trying to say I need one of them I'm going back and actually lean down the car and he's that show The holster all right that's when I knew there was some there's these are the people that killed his he's he's gone yeah I got the white brown luckily for me it was bloodshot but I get arrested driving back up oh so you didn't make it into the house that time uh not that time now not that time what can we talk about about the time you did make it into the house on YouTube that wasn't through the front door that was a steel band through a black one a back window but that's never been mentioned so we'll leave that one yeah why did you fall out of alpha Thompson uh when I was arrested in Rossi I thought it was protected uh I got a set of keys which was for a Daimler I was given the address I was familiar with the place because yet it used to have a boat done there so for me to be on the run to get in there uh I've got a car there's no mine I'm on a ferry there's no mirror to get a set of keys for the players at Stone line [Music] at that time was six months pregnant looking for me uh uh covert phone calls I managed to get somebody to take her down on the fact now if they knew I was there they'd arrested me at the ferry right people said that he stayed the night and I must stay the night it was on my relationship with we weren't short and watched the foot watch the football game and they came in at night we never even stayed the night they knew it was here incidentally I've reviewed some of the information and the police officer who was the Firearms expert on the island confirmed that has voice in Glasgow had asked them to look out for a dimler vehicle about the address so they knew that the warrant was already there but the time I go to try on a look through it it's somebody who's very well versed and legal stuff and said foreign that's a process that may take half an hour later I know signed on the island before I even get there magic bad smell about that one and was Junior really plotting against his own dad uh what happened there was his dad was nearly late uh you probably heard the story about the mafia and her some people liked the drug some people didn't like the drug [Music] there was a lust handwritten lust cocaine South black don't have sand right so they knew what it was done that's why you get fatted up try to get arrested and the 12th of December 1984 and he was arrested in January thereafter gang that just when they got that they know his hand right and finger France could have got his dad down in trouble because on the reverse side of the envelope was uh designed for a window that his dad was making for somewhere else could have been used as corroboration for a conspiracy so that that's when I knew there's a lack of thruster so your two friends um I believe was it Jimmy and Johnny Johnny on the phone yeah but that's not their real name's name no we're murdered by Arthur Thompson's gang how much of the story is that true um uh what what wedge uh Makai but my blood through their partner had done those they focused on what's the word on the street for to I'm in Pleasant I don't know listen to people when I go what industry as that's how that happened that's how that's gossip we hope you enjoying the podcast is it with my 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you say it does we're going to use the best part of the gossip and we're going to put it under the book and we'll hear which says what that Reg Makai wrote for it's a load of warlocks because it happened like this veg is very clever honestly it should definitely clever shall we we go more and more and more and more information found the main that stole the two live mother inquiries uh some of the people who have been involved are no longer there uh uh there's other people who are there but um they might not be there for too long either these sort of things don't go away too easy but the fact that they were betrayed by a phone call it was uh was a hard one yeah and were they displayed at the funeral procession uh the dead bodies to those two different things that uh that there's a journalistic story a bitter where if you look at the logistics Arthur Thompson and his son who was buried the graveyard is 500 yards so why would they need a travel female they go and do that if you did there I don't know if it did that's some short your other people look who's lying on now don't know if it happened I'm unpleasant but I think logistically if you're going to bury Sunday 500 yards away that could have happened I don't I don't know uh were they were they displayed uh they were they were obviously somewhere overnight uh others talk about they will shut up the innocent or the rest that uh I've got a friend of mine that that's in the ought to officer reports that they were shot in the head uh once and shorten the heart shot in the trust that must have been so devastating you're inside and you hear the news of their deaths how did it affect you that affected me when certain personal officer a lot of newspaper off and put it under my door and said you're going to end up with your friends oh and I thought really well you know who I am I'll try to start the Flames here I said well you know who I am up this fire hall let me see who you are gonna talk with good screws good place so that's how I learned of it they like that newspaper and flung I don't cry of course but [Music] it was just something that was a shock to the system and our thinking I'm not saying it would have happened if I was hurt that people were saying oh you're lucky you could kiss their four walls and you survived that I went to trial and I get released and I stayed in Glasgow for two years so what was the problem so what were you in prison for that time I was unpleasant for a knee count when you got out did the meeting really happen no no we're next before that Sean because I knew the individual who got kneecapped and I knew what he was doing uh applied for Bill uh what I've done was I had to sack my solicit on go there myself uh the material change in circumstances as that they couldn't take me under escort to get there because it was like Moses in the Red Sea blue lights and they never waited for red traffic like just straight out so I decided the material change and circumstances in law and Scott's law was Alpha was present when I helped us out of dispensed with my Council to have made that application I wasn't allowed to be there but I'm going there now my argument was quite simple under Scottish law you need two parts of corroboration what we go as one absolute idiot that had already had an Irish department and was just I it was tell telling tall tales so I've protected the Terracotta and the judges my understanding the application of law you've got an individual verbally claiming something I know that you've got none corroborate of evidence to substantiate we send so therefore I should follow Bill until you get it just before the Christmas and then I wondered why all these cars were all falling there again I'm gonna eat a local police station I can play it that's his harassment as soon as I walked and gave my name you hold on a minute that's for the the charged me for mother because when I left Maloney that's Dennis Woodman fatter you know who he was this confession that I'm supposed to there's times I don't even tell myself and I never mean forget something else yeah right and then all of a sudden he's done what he's done and made his statements so I get re-arrested and I get to it back and the Bellini did the meeting really happen well Arthur told you not to touch his son Junior I never harmed such there was a mediator that was sent because he died didn't fancy done enough can we discuss who shot Junior who shot Junior all right what who actually called the tiger go on well I wasn't actually there to see the Tiger but uh it's it's something that I know well oh no well and people think it's foreign anyway that was done how did Sam McGraw meet his end uh strangely enough were in nearly made that two or three times uh it survived a bomb being diffused under his car uh a sniper hunting something else that Target was it uh luckily the Bulletproof the vest on that something and I think excuse me for being red but I think you get five or six really deep stub wins up his ass oh God uh Andy's hats and his neck uh on the only basis of that but hurry mates how he makes his death his wife was having no I don't want a secret for an opener and she took him to the hospital that morning for his checkup and he's came back when and he's bad she's made on teen toast the boyfriends up he's in the teen toast and starts to Chuck on the toast being told about us the boyfriends try the CPR but I think he's blown outside his mouth [Laughter] he wasn't comfortable getting that close to him even in the moment of life or death why is he even there why is he on your way toes for yeah actually I think he's playing all the Chuck when they eventually died they've done three autopsy autopsies on them because he's just back for a medical examination the fact I've done something with milk I think I've done something somehow they may even think that I prayed the the secret boyfriend to strangling and he would have done they couldn't believe this asset's dead over a slice of toast considering yeah because subtle nothing that he survived on yeah so anyway that is the whole story behind that I didn't put that in the movie I wouldn't work because that's an advert for Hovis [Music] the crust Hazard maybe we should have put more butter [Laughter] it's a strange way it died yeah he was jury Dutton of Blazer gory animaster so being indicted for murder facing a long prison sentence how did that affect you psychologically uh uh on the first occasion I was arrested uh I'm a local boy in the area in berlini so normally we're gonna get a cleaner's job or something like that a new song was strange when I seen it was some literally judged red like overalls numbers on the heart no the hearts to visors Shields dogs and I thought this is what changed since the last time I never knew him on category I never knew I'm getting much free and it doesn't what this and uh probably about exhausted typical honestly checking every 15 minutes what do you remember is what waking up the next morning and it was like and it's judge LED soldiers again the Shields open and a ball comes through with horizontal where's your breakfast and all you've got and there is a chamber pot where you urinate you do your things on it and I want to get rid of that before even yeah we'll get you in a minute so it became about yesterday if the psychologically have wars with me luckily I was well experienced being a young offender totally reversed it back on them and and Ken I knew that what my possession is something's going to happen somewhere down the line uh at that point back and when you touched on earlier when I was a teenager and a young offenders the only way I could camp at the only way I could drop the temperature in my body was take the pajama pajamas off and lie naked spread eagle on the floor and then turn over and I denounced My Religion at that time personally because I asked for help and I never got it but what I'd understand as uh you should hope other bit worse for you and not be too selfish and asking for yourself so I re-engage for I can't help with baloney read a lot of books the Holy Blood Holy Grail challenge one religion and it wasn't until the the main style one is Dennis Whitman who's got history again his name was Wilkerson away back the past uh I've been written the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and some parts here interrupts your flow because it mentions John chapter five so if you're familiar with the Bible you know what it is like oh are we doing about here then some now contact to look at Proverbs to any of the Bible I'm three months only this woman and I thought it takes a bagel because you know what the other thing controller so anyway press the puzzle screws go how can I help you I said I'd later Bible you like what I said a Bible and it was the quietest this the spider hole is usually a bit of metal it's just quite as The Silver been put down and I could tell so the next thing for the doors open there's a priest there but the book that I'm reading is Holy Blood and hologram was upside down on the on the pillow all right and when I'm discussing that the priest sees what I'm reading you know even and he was like an exorcist that's blessed because it was an academic thesis on was it Jesus on the Quran McCarthy I'm quite to look at me in religion was it Jesus on the cross she's an academic he says archaeologists open your mind to these sort of things but I want you know what's on this Bible then he said and this is do you want your favor for that but yeah I said shut the door I said took you three months to come and see me so that's what I get into with the the main games I used to deliberately get books and so security and go once you're done reading that heavy duty books that uh look my brother's camera's off and back classic things with it and they would keep them because you think there's maybe a bit harsh on it there's a drug on it then it got to no hard copies but uh there was I've got to say honestly there was really really good prisoners people call them screws and there was really really bad prison officers did the reading take your mind off your predicament no I've been used to Solitaire and myself uh it's it's part of my life that when you're getting there that is your life so what I learned very on early on and as young offenders you cannot build barriers or your vision is that well forget about looking past that well your versions are well that's your life uh visits were hard and and I talk about visits and I talk about the visits were your sat now as a prisoner I I your wife your mum your parents or your kids over there seemingly woke up when they stand up and walk at that door you've gave yourself that sentence the judge has not done it for you and that's one of the hardest one wants to take you know so uh budget cycle and and the segregation Unit were behind the bulletproof screen uh in case what was said I'll get somebody to bring up a firearming Escape and I laughed at her and I said do you realize that methright escape was an admission ago so the other armor budgets were non-contact non-human none nothing that was up for eight months and that was your missus coming to visit did she I kind of had I don't know each other with my partner at the time and I was seeing somebody else and what I've done is I sent a a visiting slapper with with when it's a new clothes on it and the screws swapped without that no later my partner Anne Marie came up last time she's asked me questions and I thought what are you getting at Chipotle put it right on the window who's this and I thought we've had domestic issues uh cheese Club probably you've got a letter and she's got Europe but somebody done it the visit I'll be speaking to you in a minute so when that visits left they said you want exercise I went right into the yard I said if you're man enough go and pick the guy that swapped his letters and tell him he came out here more salt that's her and see if you don't I'll be doing something better so you found out who it was no no it was an idea who it was but I went back and he so whoever it was it might not be named but something had to take the office up and then they've got to ask why was that and then somebody's going there and ask why would you like swamp letters psychological warfare you just revert back and he it's no nice don't go as wrong I don't like doing it but if you go and punch fun at them we'll use a shank and let it get another 10 yeah would you say that God's respected you in prison half and half dead half and half that did that people knew me as low low the local boy uh I've been never physically well built uh to go on well I remember one occasion where I thought it's going to kick off yeah all I've got is a a bottle of undiluted lunch and I was thinking right I'm pulling up over the floor put shampoo over the floor first one it comes on I want to kick them right up there but I'll get present shoes on generally crocodile ones that you get you might have seen them probably at 99 pencils but I thought I'm gonna when I went to kick this guy this prisoner officer I'm lying first time smelling nice orange and and chamfer the next thing I've been dragged up uh but the quiet so um you know how to lay you on your your belly and then they get one arm up there up there and then they bring their legs up oh yeah and then they hold one and they go right oh that's after they take all your clothes off you right so I'm naked this one guy is holding the two hands and and I'll let you know how it works aren't they but the minute I'll let you go it's like elastic shove I've jumped up and uh and I thought how the they get here starting in barlock smelling that shampoo and that all went wrong so when over with the cell door and somebody tried to lift it quietly and I like that like this big screen I went and I've kicked it off that was a young person also and I said look I can't do and get me my clothes back we'll sort those up and they did they were fine they weren't you sure about that I gave me a weapons and then when they walked they thought I got my clothes back I said I might have a job fused would you get hurt that was really good until you've done that that was called the the cold Mufti right it's an acronym for minimum use of force restraint technique hmm but the man I'm used to fool says depending who's bending your arms up I saw I sort of painful but it's not the only bones broke it's just how professional they've done it again to give them credit I was professional me punches makeups just in there you get clothes on one minute next time you're hot a lot of talking and then they'll let you go so were you confident of beating the murder case [Music] and the only time I was ever strongly aware it was go back to this Bible again so Gideon's Bible uh people like to look at what your star sign is for that day and all the rest of this playable is Gideon Bible I had an almanac at the back so it doesn't matter what year is January Fosters over Johnny you're familiar with that Sean yeah yeah sure I've I've sat at this trial thinking this is going to get stopped shortly I don't even know the guy I've never spoke to him it's impossible to know that I'm trying to work out how they're going to do it right and then he swore on his two kids there there she's I think he's telling the truth and I couldn't even look at the jury honestly I just thought General how the am I going to explain this one we can back up to uh tipolini just wrote something I wrote about Peter satcliffe I don't know ever in a book future I know the thing Peter Sackler killed Every Other Woman apart for his own wife Sonia so there must be some mechanism and these people that protects the family and that thread allowed me to believe in their thesis for Donald Findlay the next day it's a he's either not get kids all the kids are alive and well because you know gonna need this who's going to desecrate that the kid's ashes so when I've done that thesis and then I thought right whatever I read today this is the biggest Point yeah I bought the almanac I want to get the pages I want to get the numbers because it's important for me to Tyler's date don't know I've opened it up and it's it was to read the Proverbs out there and the proverb was do not feel the serpent that's that that bears false witness against you no do not feel the serpent with a fork tongue that bursts false Fitness again she I dropped to I don't know Electric Shot and I thought I need to read that again in case I bought the wrong day so I'm armed with the thesis for Donald Finley I get a massive amount of Courage for somewhere and go on I'm having a go with us look for signs and and it was just when I went and presented what an Avenue is my lawyer Peter Forbes and Donald Finley had already requested the attendance for this guy's ex-wife so I gained my head and back some satin and the the dog now here's this name being called this navarroveron a witness last I used to send off any notes to ask different things as I sent my note as an I think I wrote who the is this the only time running away it was Dennis wilkerson's ex-wife and I never knew it at the same so when she even under the witness box I seen the prosecution went to stand up the judge had made a motion so there he took his wig off and had a chat dang that's his surreal but what he said to us uh how long were you married to your ex-husband it was a couple of years have you got any kids yeah the two kids buying a girl uh long you've been separated and it was like 18 months or so have you get any has your husband any kids with anybody else and she said no right so when would your ex-husband would have known the kids were alive and well and she said last week we sent him letters and photographs oh wow and I've looked at it really well it's a joke but they should have stopped the trial yes they should have stopped to just fast but further on I I couldn't believe what the trial judge said to the jury he said sometimes ladies and gentlemen in the jewelry even the worst Alliance may tell the truth sometimes I've done so much money invested in it didn't they as well chocolate is about his longest so fast you you take away all that evidence work they go out there nothing absolutely it should never even went it through how do you feel when the verdict came down uh do you know what there's a story about that there's a story about it I get loads of stuff a lot loads of confidence she written material that was written when I seen the jury coming on it was this girl who was crying and I thought they fell for us so I'm getting ready for the fact that I'm not going to shouting oh I'm not Scott except us it's just another one my head's elsewhere and Torah here not guilty not guilty not guilty not guilty and you know what I found that day I failed that test I never kept my face and she's the man that recognized that so I came back and then when I've seen the Loyals and they said there's a crowd out there for do you need to go and face it say that you've got to say ask for a public inquiry and if they tell you it would mean you're gonna get it all because they don't like the other dirty laundry in public but oh well and continue to do it so there's a one that they've done the scandals at shop Scotland that was introduced somebody like that it's a witness I hope you all got the sack when you are found innocent Paul how did that affect you physically the relief from facing a Life Center physically it was it was strange because I had the belief uh weeks and weeks before uh I've got the strength I got through my solitude my reading uh the kind of Machiavellian stuff that they were trying to do I've seen it all before but this was really the chemical should I take be confident confident in myself and one of the cereal things that happened was the police officers that technical It's usually the same ones so you've got the outriders the motorcyclists you'll get the van and you've got another van and the helicopter and all the rest so the Pete won the van the police horse was on the van one of them happened to certainly uh Paul do you think this Trail will last until the end of June and I thought I can't hold no I says I'm going to the Bahamas on the 12th and they look and they laugh and they've got nowhere and a half past three and they laughed they had a joke that was maybe three weeks before all this right wow all right so the jury retired on the 11th oh dear the because of the nonsense some of these zombies won the kids ashes people who are well tuned on it can violent stories so that's a big No-No uh show that in itself I I had an idea that's going to go bad for the prosecution but on the 11th of uh June and the sales all day walking up doing work for a verdict waiting for a verdict nothing sure gets to it back uh I knew on the 12th I don't know why I knew I knew I was going home people say that I might have had the jewelry store did at least it was just my belief in my system and what I had at the start I couldn't look at the jury at the start of so many charges that that I'm supposed to have confessed no they know so I left I know what on the desk and my present cell with a couple of packs of baskets and chocolate and I said an event that I'll be off to Bahamas and uh right there that on the 12th spent another half a day caught the lunch came back up to court uh and and I'm saying I'm just I'm gone I just hear the vertex and what what made me feel is all of no get the strength to accept us don't know about it happens and they accept that I know people have been in the same position that Tommy Campbell George Steele and what are you going to do shouting yeah mug yourself so I've seen two of the people come in and crying um body language my confidence went completely went I'm just thinking waiting for this if I can't get me down the stairs and then I had the verdicts and as I'm here in the veltics I'm thinking you've just filled a test you've not kept to the end but when I'm asking myself again do you really apologize for not keeping this this faith if you don't get an honest time strength walking back normally the strength came back about humor came back because when I was when they said right you're free to go as I walked on the stairs I look at the clock foreign and as soon as I seen them over I've got an apology to meet you in the gun this is 15 minutes they thought I had the jewelry novel that was just a throwaway thing that sort of just something like that so when uh I get took out in the main Chambers with Arnold Finley he's up the cotton and went have a look at that and I'm wondering why there are all these people there because I'm in solitary confinement I don't know most of them are all family friends it was like a spectacle and we we just see me standing on the stairs talking to the media before there's a guy called Stevie Wilkie who was a senior Greymouth of Kramer for I'm sure it was a son newspaper or the other news at the world and because I'm free and that's he said probably give us an interview I see Steve you got a car out there he's like yeah because at that time I know I'd met her again I was asked to keep a diary and what I had in the diary was just honest stuff that I had to write but what I wrote In The Diary was about personal stuff that the girl who used to come up and give me clothes every day at that different clothes every day for a trial uh that I went away from my ex partner I was no loving when a girl but I've thought something in the diary that I found that when I went back to see my kid and my ex-partner I felt why did I leave and then there's a reason why I should believe him because it just creates a bad static and then I was just with this other girl and thinking what am I down here so I'm trying to write it as best as terms I can in this diary because it's got to go to solicitor so what I've wrote on Asana I found myself in a possession a weak possession I'm not strong enough to tell them both that I love them and that was a I I I I I'm honest upon you so there was a lot of other stuff in the diary uh eventually seized the diary anyway and yeah and and I'm in the wetness Fox and at last time the two girls don't know in love with each other all right I know I'm laughing I shouldn't my mouth but the prosecution he is a way of what stands at the end of it next to the jury and so it's production such and such which was the diary so I've got so I think he's going to go for something he said uh got a page whatever page it was so I put those page up and it starts I couldn't find it in my heart to tell them both to love them I he's trying to make me uh I love that because that's six females on the journey so they said could you read the production such as search read paid search and such I've mumbled and he's at the end they're going I can't hear you we can't hear you son of this kind of Blacktown and looked right up at the gallery and whether and apologized so when I'm getting hurt the relevance has been stevieve okay I couldn't go to one I thought embarrassing another I just I had to sort myself up and what was the repercussions of you having to repeat the dinosaurs both of them had an idea but it's it's I'm still friends really still friends I'm not spoke for many many years but but for me [Music] the strange thing about it then the next day there's two of them are certain next to each other and wherever she had the deck in the management machine London so they're getting a lot they know about it oh no but at that stage I could not personally go and embrace one but with it without Barrister that's why you see me making that kind of shorts but to the the vehicle with Stevie Walker so I went for there and gave them uh an interview I never took anyone if for the interview uh I've done it on the basis get me away for that one that's right what was your life like after you got out yeah what was the first one you did after your release yeah there was quite a lot of press interest there was a lot of people wanted to jump on and say a few things and people made the assessment that uh oh he'll disappear I know I stayed in Glasgow for a year I've got two friends of two partners two wives that uh they were good enough for their for me I ain't running away of furniture did stuff kick off again uh no body wanted to know after that it's just that there was a spurious the crown office letter that was manufactured for a guy called John Gallagher along with Thompson Jr see that I've been working with the authorities for years that that letter was used to put through uh defense Witnesses the letterbox just to let them know shouldn't go to trial but I use that for my defense I got the alleged author but it's supposed to have signed that said because apparently there was a DX number on it that should maybe on it it's old stock and it was in her signature on it sure it shows and demonstrates more about them that they can't have a have a fight without having a kind of reduce somebody's character uh for for whatever reason so uh they tried a lot of different tactics but the fact that uh Thompson Senior died attack it it actually died on 180 and my friend's wife's birthday and was it in the pub like the film no no no it wasn't in the pub but they couldn't show the whole thing about it and the whole real story uh was it was too long it took a heart attack the time the ambulance got there never worked is namely charged them up whether they did work or no they don't know but uh it did die and and his house and it's quite an early demise I think it was 60. uh I think he was 61.61. what happened to his Empire crashed the bird crumbled she was death I don't know that's one of the ones it was on my the m-file that you had to know that I still I don't know what was on the the kind of close Circle it was it was loads of math I had quite a few quads that were quite wealth and doing what they're doing but why go through all that much of it not enjoys found on it and treating people at Art so the Empire everything that much on Empire that was media-led that stuffed all the rest of nothing maybe that I don't know but uh not a lot of people seen any uh and voices coming back [Music] so we interviewed me in Wildman through the ex Scotland cop who gave a Paul Ferris story do you have a different version of events of that story would Jack the offshore representative sorry what is it um it was a very it's a four I think it was a four-hour podcast we did with the cop was that the one that uh oh that's it that's it yeah yeah what obviously what a phone strange about it as the uh the cognitive awareness is employment has done everything together should have been spot on whether he's been a young cop that's just been told to be on the main he's the main Firearms expert for the island he's been told you're not getting a gun what he also admits is there was four guns only three was ever saying that during the course Club but what he did get wrong was and I liked his attitude I've been put uh they never chopped the door there's two storm doors that just came in the wizard I was in the living room with my partner who's six months pregnant time watched the football game I've got a pair of tracksuit buttons on it and a t-shirt that's it me and eight go as you said ain't something about your laugh uh to immediately we um they've done it professionally spun in the air fished on handcuffs and in the room the next thing there's a green Bank bag there who's a brown powder you can't tell what color a powder is unless you know you brought it yeah but the slump God but that was true because uh I knew a bit Finance I still know about Finance that's it's something which uh this cop is six feet six snowy weight here pushing it right anymore because half my face is looking up which saved me at that time is uh my partner walked it and let the scream up they never knew it was a w there was there was I never knew it was a female in there and it all went by I got a WPC at the kept on the sales as well over the weekend so that particular thing I don't criticize them I think maybe his knowledge and his memory goes on and he should remember this one that the the earliest you take a statement it's clearer for what it is for the longevity of the time he got the drug drone it was the cooking it was heroin gotta get uh fatty that way the reason why I get fatted up the heroin was because it was a high purity and anything that was going to high Purity they calculate it then and it's worth thousands then But the irony is I'm on the run on an island that's probably I don't know you take it I've had that ever then there would have been the wheel was arrested I'm thrown in the ground uh we've got an independent toxic or just done uh to describe but the the what he's actually done is took the like a credit card folder up through the ground then put out right and then the phone money and another room cut the 100 opponent survival money so they've come out and put all their Productions on the one back so they've seized my clothes for an attempted number when I'm at the solicitor at the court is rather a child he says you that have a new possession diamorphine or until it Supply tell him how it got there he made an application he sees my clothes right because you've got an opening shop Bank folder you've got a bank bag a green Bank bag that I think it was designed for either 10 pence pieces or 20 pounds pieces so you're going to get spell it from that bag and in our folder there's no other type container to just open a folder and if that was in my pocket that we had been arrested span up done there would have been movement soon enough sort of checked the bag and during the course is the the evidence the ferocity even the cop who fatted me up put his finger Donald friendly said can you put your finger inside that bag what color is your finger the light green right so now I've got the feel the glass fill with a brown powder in it put that on what colors are brown hey do we both get the top forensic toxicologist for Glasgow University he's got a white piece of paper and a black piece of paper if you put the white piece of paper on what color is it you see the light green put a dark piece of paper I don't know what colors up dark green he said could you tell if there was brown powder in that as well unless it was dark green I like yeah which and the the tracksuit pocket was forensically examined uh uh until a thousand times thinner than a human hair they never found nothing on the Parker what they've done they found and the folder so it explains how it got in the folder jewelry scene through it I could phone not guilt I would lock you in that up against five cops in and they've found that well they didn't like that one that's a huge forensics against them so the Rossi episode was that one and what caused you to finally go on the straight and narrow yes me uh quite easy uh took me roughly two months sitting in belmus 1997. apparently there was a legal remap where you can get fast tracked on a quick trial you don't need to wait for the man the rest solicitor 2 is nominated turned up with boxes and boxes of stuff and I thought that's really quick anyway what else I said case fails I said no this is that sure supergrass statements that's your super super Glaston it was all people would so you're the main manufacturer of the firearms point in the direction this guy this guy's pointed it they're all like that so anyway I thought and there was surveillance reports on it so when I seen all the MI5 stuff on it when you're involved in criminal like you don't think you can't attention to these people what I saw what I heard and what I've read I thought go on with my sentence put my hands up and I'm gonna happen to construct to lock the catalyst so I'm going to thank MI5 for that they've actually mentioned me in the Centenary the defense of the realm 100 years and protection that just a small one uh I actually told Ray about this because you look for new material what what for great film was what page it was so after I phoned them up one day I said Rachel you get on with uh how are you on with us the this book [Music] then I laughed actually just stole the Cold War get this up and we're doing that so there's no need to be further but that we were the first uh uh non-terrorless in the UK uh to be subject to MI5 surveillance so that's that's why it's on it big stuff when you get out the lifestyle did you miss the excitement yeah uh I'll just replace it with something else I I know I I replaced it with success I replaced it with proven everybody along the problem at that face further down the line was uh we went the first year tunnel security company we went the first year probably just under quarter million second year 3.6 million quite a jump third gear of all products they sent a check back Tim I've read those later this for the bank manager Fred Goodwin hammock was Fred The Shred that that was Robin I'll rephrase that I never robbed that invest money it was a pretentious bank manager that did obviously didn't like naturally growing fruit so he'd get always thrown on for France that's how pretentious it was and he's the sort of guy that was after running Royal Bank of Scotland at the time his office staying this is your check I've closed your account we'll shut your balance we don't need to tell you why now for like that don't know I don't know and I'm supposed to put a villain I'll never get to any old ladies up smash my Windows 10 where's my pension money are you dead so I've mentioned that a few things so there was a report of a allegations that were London money anybody that knows what a fact on situation is means the surrender and voices de facto they charge you your fear right how to speak to the factor personally whoever do is run it at time told them the whole situation he said Paul if you have money London you must be the one in the was in the world because it says it gives you the money they're giving us 85 percent of the totality of the invoices no we were working on a basis that we gave the clients 30 days you don't get paid the 30 days 45 60 is a maximum right but we need to pay yards wages admin wages every week to know that if for us to get that facility we get it for Factor and what he said is us if we want is Andrew 200 000 phone don't need a bank take a add a proof of funds with guitar let me Point name asking where you go to do it because it's not a real business that's a point in order to whenever you use cash so then they went on another situation where they got involved and the security industry Authority unfortunately my convictions are never spent um so I can't get a license I can't get involved next but slowly slowly slowly slow so I played the game but I'm still playing the game uh I've had a a case officer for hmrc that we're dealing with Phil Liverpool and uh actually all changed because Scotland's goat is the ball powers to collect its own taxation and I'm mistakenly openly I think it was coming for Liverpool and it was just a threat after threat you don't do this while doing that you don't do this we're doing that I don't like it threatened food for anybody at all no so I told them you'll get it when I get it so I hate that I sold the sold the farm I've got all the legal stuff it should have been concluded on the 12th of December last year no no this was in 2019. [Music] I get a letter through confirmation that's all getting done and dusted then the lawyer phones up said do you realize I'm on a chain at a chain of the property that people who will want to buy my farm have to wait until somebody has to sell their house before they sell this and I was like why the should I go to me it's proof of funds I said so anyway so what must then uh 12th of February I had no plan B they the whole Christmas up it it sounds as well told the whole lies for thmrc oh they weren't as when I used to deal with it the Liverpool case agent know that we're on first name terms but there were several on the basis right Paul how much have you got and when did we get it that's all they want you know these wines will look you don't do this it's a kind of threat so I had to speak to my ex-partner other people to go I've got to work to February for this one so I was up it was about the afternoon I accepted anyway plus I sold it for 300 000 less than what I bought it for just to pull the partnership I wanted my terms which I did uh difficult to get back there again and unless you don't want to crack on and do it again so I think we'll use guys do for your your interviews and your audience is getting the raw material for people that maybe on a roller coaster some they might be having the same problem or some this has got worse problems and lastly um he thinks he's good performance weapons basically what as as for an unscripted uh interviews which is there and I I like the liner questioning it you're done because it triggers a proper response and and where we're going so the fight still continues with me yeah so what else have you got planned next uh doing that sixth part yeah uh we'll get six part uh but the problem what I seen the jackpot on media was uh the look uh investor stage in October these investors are away in Holiday October November December and they'll come back by January or the end of January that's what we do so they'll get a working script uh they've got they've done to be fair they've done a documentary but wreckage reverse about how he started off his uh Xfm who's uh radio yes and then I've done another one worth uh Alvin Welsh uh it's so the the plugging away but this is a big investment you're probably talking about 1.2 million quite an episode to get it done wow so basically with the thing there is backhand either investor portfolio and then see how it goes further well you mentioned you like this podcast did you not do a podcast with Mark demister one of our podcast guests meltdown store yeah uh no I I tell you I've done Mark with someone called [Music] a new podcast uh along with makewormer Tosca Jackson Porsche location right in uh Harley Street yes right and Mark's gonna special coach we asked people the question Mark's funny yeah really really nice so I got asked as a guest to be honest but that's the one I had with a baseball cap but Trump because he psoriasis but the level of question I thought it was totally different but I I felt the they could have had somebody in the chair [Music] and I thought the balance between racial stuff religious stuff we're going to be talking about drugs were going to be talking about Mark's stories about [Music] his dad was very friendly with we become his dad so it was a good farmer but I felt that I couldn't commit to it's a full-time thing I'm sorry well no it's not so much a full-time thing it's just a few without any repetition you can tell one story but you might forget about something but obviously it comes out yeah we had to be aware what I wasn't aware that they all met through Alcoholics Anonymous sure we met up at the sports bar near Victoria and I'll get off double vodkan Red Bull a little more artists [Laughter] no I know and it tells your story about them yeah I thought oh yeah I better just make that but not really a good time I don't think the reason why I don't think they're getting the numbers is because whoever's doing the upload Steve I don't think is key down to the algorithm he's putting the name be with us for the podcast he's now using the algorithms either names Michael Emma Mark Dempster meet and that should be a primary one it's actually words you know that yourself as well and obviously for your audience as they know that and the gas that you bring on like me and other people uh is for a reason I've got projects that I'm want to explore and talk of it maybe later on but I did oh yeah an interview uh there was two or three are done with James English uh the other one I got offered was to do the live Bible and I thought it would be better and so personal insult but then that was having to facilitate this one so maybe you can contact your guys and see right that's done or unless you want me back for re-editing yeah maybe you've never asked enough questions Jen you never know well exactly I could ask them what was your fondest memory of Glasgow growing up tell us about all the darkness the fondness Glasgow growing up don't you watch my football team played in the European Cup I was only a kid but I can't remember I remember the crowd and too young and the for that was a bag up bag event that would have been 1967 already done the two 1967. uh a few good memories but I thought the drop song then last night a tweet uh I'm on Twitter because somebody was pretending with me years ago and I kept reading massive people saying for that that was really good you've done in two hours that was funny people are saying Paul I've not seen you for a while here's my phone number and whoever's sitting at the back could be a female I don't know so I had to make Twitter aware that I had to send my passport copy the passport proof her arm delete size account and I get one for nothing 2011. so I've started and uh I've done an archive search last night on Old photographs at black girl and nothing's really changed as much apart for the aesthetic new buildings uh the people who are the people who run the city the previous people who run the city the previous people who used to police the city not so much the ones that are currently placing it just now I was like a tone called malice and I put it on it's a jam except our favorite track for me it's obviously bought another town somewhere but that is my gonna slap towards city council police wouldn't have done was nothing changed and I'm trying to get involved on Rehabilitation projects and things like that I know the problem the problem is they've got here they've got to explain their wages and how long they've been getting that far because if I find out about it I want you know where you've been done and what changes can get me so where can people find the real Paul Paris a company uh CAC company uh based in Stoughton Trent uh the main figurehead is there's film here and what we have got as something in which to uh look at the last 12 weeks is on the present sentence uh so that we can make sure they've got accommodated you know yourself they open the door there's 45 pound and a grand the third way to see the dealer they might you know even have something else but don't deal with sex offenders we don't do informals we deal with people with the long term just about that length for a sentence give us their 12 weeks we'll show them how it occur paint decorate all these intense and stuff for the discipline I go for the Detention Center 12 weeks enough and then we'll give them vouchers to go and buy the we want to show them what they can do with potatoes uh pasta rice make their own dishes and forget phoning up her barberates because that's a fiber for a start yes go and get your stuff make them a bit more self-sufficient uh I think there's more you know a uh receptive nature and and England to get things done then I was in Scotland as too much politics for me fully accept I've not been an angel but don't think they have either and uh if I get an opportunity to share some dirty laundry but I'll certainly hang it up slightly bloody Lids off that's the way it goes it's a fight it's a fight's a verbal fight but produce the goods one person had said to his poet with my youth possession no donut but do you know a thing that you're uh dismissing the people who are currently in prison that are doing why Aid denying them that opportunity and I thought that's a fair point so I'll make that simultaneously to see what it is we're a private investor because the money you take you've interviewed Bobby comments no no no Bobby Cummins has favorite scene has probably take government money you're going to dance to their tune a private investor go and do it you won't do it so that that's the AIM the goals and the objectives for for this year so you're a prolific author Paul have you got another book in you I have funny enough it's not an on-claim one uh we started doing it uh what I normally do is record and there's an issue is an embarrassing on a data stack that's lost maybe 20 30 hours worth of stuff I ain't going to mention who had that but it's a close family member oh no that's gone so we've got to start again but the hill the whole Sim in the book guys is taking on a journey on 21 years it may have been free a crime I get released in January the 21st 2002. I've got my small issues in between them but no no custodial services and I think it's a road map ahead towards some they think they can come up to prison and change in two or three years no I've been at 21 years in the snow saying less Rehabilitation to our mouth let's educate people that let them cook for the sale the link in the show are going to fix it you know forget there's favor for Uber each foot look at your your volume what you're doing and and in some occasions people I went through the lifetime and I've had a certificate we'll give them to The Next Step under that 12-week period so I'm looking for partners to come on to provide these things and what we intended to do is build a 32 one bedroom Flats that have took probably 18 months and the cost and 4.6 memory card I've actually met somebody who had said we're gonna alleviate all your problems I can get 40 Caravans done now within three weeks yeah as long as the reason for the flats you'd never get planted for it but as long as it's for vocational residents you need to HUB though sure Street pulse will be kicking it at some point this year and thanks for giving us an opportunity to plug it and see what it goes for there and check out Paul's um audiobook unfinished business that he did with Steve Rafe which is our best seller at gad5 press every month it's the best I think we gave the the the narrative uh queerahub portunity to read the true transcripts or the audio tapes the record I think if we either anglophile I'll put I'll put uh subtitles up it could work couldn't work but we're going to get back and visit that one the the the new book that we're going to return us again titled on funniest business but the business use is the subtitle one the genre from Frozen talk about Fred The Shred the security the how difficult that is just to get a National Insurance number again people believe in you it's beauty stuff I study newspapers the Sia criticized you for something I've done in the past so how can you how can you inform whether you've got all that these things catching up with you there's too much Paul attacks I'm glad I came done to visit uh in England when I sold the farm never came down to stay covered captain and I spent the first covered people and laughing I shouldn't laugh again with my old aunt who's 90. who's get the head your 21 year old it's kind of fun yeah she's kept me on my toes I love her I absolutely love it so I'm here for the duration uh and strangely enough uh I I came back to visit Scotland quite recently and my cousin committed to be Paul how do you feel do you feel you've left home are you coming back home and I thought I feel I'm coming back up well that's a good start remember to put the bands out in the morning because I did a couple of things but it was really good she's gonna come over here you're back come anyway yeah yeah we come and Lewis uh 165 ridiculous day uh it's massive just for privacy of walking the boat uh just to help me as best I can yeah and and hopefully I'll get another time there and do what I'm doing but the invites there to come over yeah bro thank you I haven't been involved in knife crime what do you say to the young people watching this who might have gangster artists uh naive crime I can only work on an experience where some people have a knife for comfort just sure they can go at the shops but the problem that you've got if you've got a knife you're going to use it but if you ain't got a knife you ain't gonna you look at that comfort blanket where does it stop back out I'm not going to be a happy clip and say I put the knife that is a lot aren't in eighth crime campaigns uh one in particular uh knife Stone gloves up to all these shorter ones uh that are doing it but you get this arm that's the they used to have an amnesty in glass I'm not saying it's it's a stage prop they go and buy them throw them on the bun and then make something at them but hey as Tony there is we've still got to work but then it's a culture cultural thing there is a the only way I could see it probably as heaven or the high-tech stuff if you walk through it and it goes off you've got some that's a because what you've got there is maybe someday who's been told they're gonna get it as well by her we can't tell you well I'm having this because it's my protection or somebody's never the threat saying we need that an organic this is our recent example for London I'm going to buy tobacco I've rolled up tobacco there's a corner shop that I can see on the main road I got a walk across the road my nephew Graham's mom and said no no no we'll use that shot and right away I thought he shoplifted his next Sumner to his band so we walked down and get the tobacco so on the way back up and have that all up and I've asked them have you been banned have you been short laughter you don't know you see that's another territory if we cross that road we will get stabbed because that's a postcode Lottery that's how close it is normally it was the north London East London South London West London it's a postcode Lottery the only the only people that can figure all that so as you could probably say community leaders but you need like the like Marvin helper I don't know if it goes on one and but he's got a voice because it's something which that he's been under he's lucky to be alive but the problem is he can have a great message people need to respect the source before they accept a message and I'm not going to be a happy cat saying oh you shouldn't be carrying knife guys if you feel they need to carry a knife to protect yourself what do you want to be a helmet because I've not got a knife they're going to get a gun and it's not like that Gunner I know they're going to get a sword Max Erin to feel comfortable but it's like that game it's not a game it's like Crocodile Dundee hey give us your wallet that's not a nice son that's the name the things that they're pulling out was produced for Krillin bushes in the Amazon never mind fine in short to get up with one of them I think it Dawns on them when somebody's lost her life and then it's a gang culture then it's all about I never done it they've done it collectively they all done it and and it's only when Frozen having that thing again must I say to you earlier when the family got up and walk up that's the other sentence and some of these boys would with IPP independent sentences were they've not got a date uh so that backlog is creating through the violence and all the rest is creating gowns and and Frozen you won't get knives in frozen of course you can make your own but for the young ones spend more time looking for something that can get your wage and keep off the green because oh don't do it very closely I'm not going to ask more cutting uh the young young people they know what's up there and it's just I don't know if they get enough respect for people in the community thought they'll listen all this amnesty thing makes a lot of people look good financials one the problem is you get make one guy saying you know what I'm gonna listen if what was said there when I dropped my knife and want to give it all up and he's at the shops the next day and get stabbed to death yeah Catch 22 and he's on it and the people that are using these I don't believe they said to kill people someone on me but you had a wrong tendon somewhere you had someone to put when it bleed to death so what my what my wants to them would be think about the next 20 years now and look back because that's what you're going to get yeah actually you're going to get guaranteed if you want to spend the next 20 years noticing your family get in prison for a damn you've got they can't even go to the shops think about it just for a short period of time try and stay any weekend men think how many weekends that you're never gonna go what whether that's receptive enough but wanted him in the issues that we're going to use for Street pulse as we've got an independent mandatory dog testing facility because we don't want to be accused of massage and Marine for the doctor so the one of the ones we've got done I'm sure it was ladies World Cup team [Music] that highly elevated very well got in the in the community on the basis that if we get people in that group that are testing negative the chances are the luster to all the advice you want to go and have a meeting and Community Hall and all the rest yeah you probably looked at the watch gone up we need to go and get a rock but that's the truth no listening to this who you attend that but a few Sunday as want to change their life go off for drugs as best as you can have been on it that was an expert not an expert I was experimenting on different things and all the rest here addiction as and the mind you can get physio production you can get amount of reduction but what you have got is the priority say stop it but sometimes the Poetry stopper they'll jump on something else but at least it's not as tolerant until they get running mate uh a decision but the younger ones growing up want to play the gangsters the teenagers the teenagers won't have all the money that the boys and the street are getting and the other ones are sat back going yeah look at the Carnage look at the colonies and then no long after that you get the same young boys setting in a cell we know they honor the the door card and then of course the courses and that's they're putting these people into pocket seriously but what is the intervention rate probably nothing did people look like it's been unpleasant when they know when no involved in authorities you think somebody's going to set done in have the whole conversation with social worker a probation officer but someday when I wanted one versus The Avenue it's good uh with probably implement something and Street posts with that but I think there's two too many people with too many knife claim messages that should either come the garage politics just about getting results so you may have somebody with your mercies that thinks it's amazing but there's maybe an alarm acids because people don't respect the source or you might have something with the catchy message that that might be something else but an evention right now don't see it I honestly don't see it but it's one of these cases I'll get worse for it gets better you may have another generation that's grown up and gone remember them up stabbing each other it could be a whole thing I know we have a better a humor and and light-heartedness about it it's a bag bag issue there's no magic one towards it because if you look at the even if that story with the shop it's a local shop just straightly straight you get that and every city and and everything in every country and but the whole part of the country Scotland I'd have a massively knife crime success but I'll grow up and it sort it away has an Ender virtual got enough comfort and themselves to go up and face the world without the knife for protection the problem you've got there is they might be physically well built that they could maybe smash two or three of them up but as a gang there's a gang of hyenas it might be something might know want to use a knife it might wave up about its protection and then run away but if you've got a knife you're going to use it if you look at a knife but it's hard to use it and if you could not get a knife I know I took NASA as a comfort blanket for me I know what it's like it's really nice leave your mouse behind they should foreign public places where the people the stronger metal detectors on the door oh what's that metals like I've got your belt one I take the belt off you should find the knife because I know that so I used to look samurai swords all right but it's it's a difficult one well Sean and I don't think there's any easy answer on it then we'll probably find that a bit of table be finished I sent a viewer before the weekends finished there's a couple of more fatalities definitely mothers 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