Full Length Car Detail AMMO Training Academy 207

[Music] what's up guys this is the last episode of the 200 series now we've shot 201 202 2 3 204 205 and 206. if you haven't watched those go to ammonyc.com click on the training link and you'll see all of them there so for this last one we want to change a few things up we're actually changing the set everything and what we're doing is called live to tape so basically a lot of you have asked can you shoot a full length series a full length episode and sort of watch what we're doing so of course we're going to do that today it's kind of fun we're not really going to stop i think the only thing we're going to stop is if our cameras run out of battery if our microphones run out of battery we need to go the bathroom or drink water or whatever so i think we're taking a lunch break too a lunch break too so we're going to be doing that as well now let's go over some housekeeping things one there's camera one right here it's gonna be a fixed shot all the way over here is camera two and then we have uh two cameramen we have sully over there hello sully and then dp camera one ryan behind the camera so we got a lot going on here try to keep it as as live as possible as you can hear we're taping up the car behind us we've played it already so let's let's think here the purpose of the series that we shot was to talk about the techniques or the mechanics of using a polisher it's not like a hey you're going to watch this one video and all of a sudden be at kevin brown level it doesn't make any sense you have to go through a training session and so that's what the purpose was with this so we're going to really be talking about the curves how to use the machine how much pressure to put down here's a little bit of the catch and the interesting part we've been at drive customs for the last couple of days these guys are awesome what they do is upfit police cars meaning they put lights and you know buttons and all kinds of all the gear that's in a police car they do that electrical work here likewise they also do competition car audio which is a whole other subject i hope to film one day but it's crazy how amazing their their radios and sounds um kind of reverberate i sat in a car the other day it was amazing anyways um jesse and meredith own this shop and so we asked meredith hey do you have a car that we can use and of course we're using a 2013 red accord behind us it was actually at sema now the interesting part that kevin and i were talking about off camera was can we get meredith who has some experience polishing but by no means as a pro can we have her work with kevin and i and sort of go through that learning process together and make the mistakes and ask the questions sort of as if you guys were here in the same room oh wait a second wait a second kevin what's going on here what's going on there so that is a long way of saying it we're not taking any takes or any breaks really unless we run out of batteries so yeah i'm trying to think what else do we have we have kevin brown's containment system over here which we're going to go into in a little bit it's kind of cool it's basically capturing the residue we're going to do some examples on this panel here of heat expansion something we learned on this trip which is kind of fun uh what else am i missing kevin anything we're gonna just run meredith through the gamut we're gonna inspect the vehicle we're gonna do a test spot and then we're gonna prep the panel and we're gonna start teaching polishing technique kind of like driving technique we're not going to necessarily go all the way through the steps to perfect every section i'm more concerned about her learning the angle of approach right how to best utilize the pad in that situation so it's not going to be something we're trying to go for the 100 point detail it's really truly about technique technique techniques right and so on that note what is your mission and your goal with this particular car because you have a bunch of ridiculous competition cars behind you that are amazing this is your daily driver what's your mission right yeah i just want to protect the car it's been neglected for too many years so just time to give it a little bit of tlc not make it perfect i'm not looking for like show quality shine but to make sure it's protected probably gonna do a coating at some point later so we're getting prepped for that totally makes sense um so let me make sure i hit everything did i miss anything uh no i think you've got it all got it all right ready to go okay and then we got to talk about this too we have a clear brawn here so the first step would be walking around do you have your lights you have your light behind you yep i got my light in my pocket and my tape so if you know pretending there's 50 people here meredith is representing the uh the youtubers out there first step yeah we want to remember you're blocking the camera here so watch your back i want to do a walk around and just look for obvious big damage because while we're at it learning to buff we might as well take out some of the stuff that's been concerning you so i'm looking for gouges and and etching or anything like that we've got a lot of towels scratching and daily driver type of defects i call love marks you love your car you're wiping it down and so i would say the first step is kind of just oh compressor going on uh is to kind of find the big things where you're may run into an issue you're gonna put a piece of tape there because sometimes i feel like we get a bit of tunnel vision as we're detailing it's like you're running you're running bang you run into that spot that you didn't you didn't remember it's not too bad on this side and so what are we running into what would you consider this just uh swirls marring i think this is typical of a daily driver it doesn't have a lot of it's a nice car it doesn't have dings it doesn't have gouges it just has a lot let me see kevin i mean uh ryan are you getting that in the can you see that in your yeah let's get in a little tighter there oh yeah now i can see that there's like swirls and what else are you guys seeing here a little bit of deeper random scratches but there's one i think there's a few right here oh yeah that's a nice big one that one yeah look at that one that one on that oh that one's deep so remark there we go just be able to just be aware of that yeah but yeah that's what we're looking for stuff like that there so it's not like you're going to spend what two hours doing a walk around but it's a good idea to get a yeah we're also looking for things we know this vehicle but if we didn't we would be saying wow there's some funny looking texture there or it's unusually smooth and shiny there let's ask the customer about that right or let's measure it now before we wash the car we clean you know we gave it a quick clean and now we're gonna we're gonna tape these up too right we're taping up and then we're gonna we're to do some cl we're going to claying and we where we forgot to do something sort of getting the paint naked as we talked about the previous chapters so we're going to keep doing that likewise ryan come over here on the front while they're taping things oh there's tape so we've already done the tape here that's good on the front you can see there's ppf but it was put on how many years ago about five and a half five and a half years ago so that was right around the time when it started getting you know the ppf started to jump in quality so my mind is going oh okay let's be a little cautious here because if you look at it in here can you can you get that on camera no it's you want it swirled out but it's it's got a lot of what would you call it not haze but it's distorted so yeah it's milky distortion as opposed to okay like paint here there's a bit of reflection obviously it's swirled out so okay fine but when you move to this it's just duller it's hard to explain so that it could be the the top coat or the adhesive like you said before yeah so we're gonna have to deal with this right now um you know meredith would like to have it polished out but it's still a daily driver so it's not like we're gonna rip it off and polish it because right now we're not gonna put another one on so that's something to keep in keep in mind for sure what do you say in terms of time for uh taping about another five minutes of taping four or five minutes yeah we're doing a minimal amount of taping we're not gonna put it on every panel i'm trying i don't like to tape on paint and leave it there for a long period of time i've had a lot of situations where i've removed the tape and have seen texturing from the tape or sweating underneath it all kinds of things can happen so i'm very aware of not leaving tape on actual paint for a long period of time i'll do that panel by panel section by section but we know that we want to protect these rubber pieces and there's no nothing to worry about with those so we're just going to do the minimal amount i actually got an email from a guy i can't remember his name hopefully he's watching but he was doing a uh it was in europe somewhere he was doing a car um and every time he did the the front lip the plastic itself when he was taping it like the front uh split splitter there every time you put tape on it uh it would actually pull the tape off the plastic i pulled the paint off the plastic thing yeah which i was like i've never heard that before he got it repainted and i was like okay that makes sense and then he let it sit for 60 days put the tape back on pulled it off and it pulled off again i have to remember the car but it was it was some it wasn't like a honda or a chevy or i did look into some of that because plastic bumpers uh for a while there you were seeing where polishing was being done and at times it would tear a section of the paint off i mean like a sheet of paper tear it off including all the way down to the primer and that was really interesting and again there's a lot of expansion expansion and contraction of plastics versus a regular body panel so it has to be the paint has to be very flexible but and even even today's paints they're not using flex agent much because the urethane paints are so flexible and resilient and twisty okay but what was interesting is my friend jamie the painter where we got the hood i was talking to him about this and he was telling me that there was a section of time where they were having to change their procedure for pre-paint prep and one of those things was to use a panel wipe at a specific temperature well guess what the temperatures he was talking about are some of the temperatures you can create using a rotary or a random orbital right because at that temperature there was a gassing out or leaching out of a solvent uh from the release agent when they make the bumpers really so imagine it so when you heat the bumper up when it's being made in this particular case like in the factory and so you're factoring them in your release agent okay so that they can they can make the bumper and i mean it's not out of the mold okay got it right that was leaching into the actual structure of the bumper right and then when they would go to paint it or reheat it would start to sweat and swell and they'd get fish eyeing and all kinds of problems so they were then told bring it up to this temperature use the panel wipe let it let it flash off now do your painting and i think that a lot of that would happen with polishing was you'd hit that temperature and that would happen and the adhesion would just go away and you'd be tearing paint off so so even today with bumpers or anything plastic i'll do very i'll do a couple passes i'll wait i'll move i'll come back i'll do a couple passes i'll wait i don't ever let the heat get up or the friction load where it's grabbing so hard that it tears yeah yeah what's interesting is when we were doing the tests where we thought the expansion was just moving uh vertically i guess north and south we sort of had an aha moment literally on within this series we were sort of prepping the panel over there and thinking hey how can we how can we demonstrate this to my whole mission with these videos is oh we can talk and talk and talk talk but how do we demonstrate it so that people at home can do it and we went across the street to his buddy's place that the place he just mentioned we asked him for a panel sure enough he had a big one all right yeah i figured i'll just leave this one here yeah so we um went across street got that panel that's right here so we could do some tests and i want to sort of motivate everybody and say you can practice you don't necessarily need to practice on your brother's car your you know little cousin's car whatever it is you can go to the uh the body shop pick something up and and burn through it make a mistake you know figure out you know these little edges here and burn through an edge here burn through and hedge ear i kind of equate it to maybe you're being like let's say uh you know you know me in my race car driving or want to be race car driver you know these guys it's sometimes okay to run into the wall because they figure out where that limit is and you know do it on a scrap junk piece of panel that we've been using for the rest of the uh the series so the point of the story is we we're gonna do it later probably when we polish but we're gonna heat up the paint and first measure it then we're gonna heat up the paint and i'll have a heat gun you know so i can measure how much temperature you know how hot it is and what's happening is kevin and i realized that the paint started to go this direction and decreased as opposed to what we made a couple we made a couple phone calls including jason rose we're like what is going on why is the paint thinning out versus we thought it would just go north south so let's say if it was five mils you heat it up we'd go to i'm making this up six mils oh my gosh it expanded but in fact the substrate the metal was actually thinning out and sort of we did discuss this uh when you were generating the graphics and was talking about expansion but can you make it bubble too because that would indicate expansion in all directions but then kind of forgot about in the real well we wanted to do a test and show it and it's like we did it outside and you're on your we have a problem because it's not showing what we want to show and so this is going to be difficult and it was a pretty shocking moment right but that's the reality is some panels expand one way or another that doesn't mean that as it's stretching this way it's it's thinning out the paint because it's pulling it it doesn't mean that it's not absorbing and swelling this way too we just we couldn't measure it because it was pouring more this way maybe we should have done um maybe not mills but the microns to see if there's a little difference there and we can test that we can actually do that we're going to expect we're going to expect to see it shrivel some because it's pulling but wasn't it the metal that actually versus the metal yeah the metal was pulling versus the four layers sure the metal is pulling all the layers right so it's not just the layers thinning out it's it's because they're stretching like a band-aid so in theory a rubber band rubber band yeah so in theory if it wasn't metal or aluminum right and you get that what if we did carbon fiber everything's going to be different all right that's what i was sort of figuring all right so we've done our walk around we've done our taping well and can i add to that that you may not add to it thank you talk about messing up your thoughts let's say we have a hundred micron and then we go ahead and do our test we heat it up and it comes down to 95 micron right but we know that the panel is going to come back to rest back to 100 let's say it doesn't always work that way because this is a structure so as it expands any structure steel wool scrubby pads kids toys whatever think of a structure that moves paint is resilient and twisty and flexible it has its own inner friction so as it expands it contracts it's not always going to do it exactly the same every time it may take a while to finally come down like when you you have your car jacked up you drop it in the springs and the tires are gripping takes a while you got to move it around and drive it and it finally comes to rest right at the normal ride height same kind of idea so even then if we start at 100 micron went down to 95 came back it might go to 102 it might go to 98. you don't really know we could just do that with heat just to prove the point that we didn't even polish it we could use a heat gun and show that we didn't even polish it and it's changed right it's so interesting that right so so that leads me on to the uh paint up gauge yeah discussion because right now so in theory you know we've we cleaned the car we've clayed the car we're taping the car we've walked around we've put tape on the spots that you know we think when you have some concern you don't want to run into we talked about the clear bra so now i usually you know we're going to have a healthy debate about this i usually if i have a paint that gauge it's kind of like a it's seeing like the whole landscape as opposed to being a sniper you know i don't know how to put well part of it is if you started with a meter you're comfortable using the meter yeah i didn't have a meter many many years ago and so i'm very comfortable not utilizing a meter if i have it i'll use it right do i need it no does it worry me no right for you it's a comfort thing that hey it's a red flag thing that's right it's another tool that says like hey there's no paint or there's two mills but it's not the end all beyond absolutely not you can't just go into the pharmacy and put your hand in the free blood pressure meter and say oh i'm 120 over 80. healthy good to go yeah it's just it's just one piece of data yeah incomplete so same kind of thing yeah so what we got four point and these are accurate they're very accurate but the paint is dynamic it's always shifting so these have a high accuracy reading a rate sure but the paint doesn't yeah that's actually a good point yeah so these are very accurate it is saying what it what it is at this current rate right now but i guess the point you're making is that rate fluctuates and it's not like you're constantly having a paint that gauge on it 24 hours a day and seeing it go up and down so you can't assume that it's always going to be no and you're not and we've had discussions with a manufacturer and he's alluded to that fact that hey it's too dynamic right to give you accurate readings to know with certainty that you have removed x amount can you do you have the keys to there just to pop the door real fast so typically what i do is to my little technique here it's four point unlocked it's unlocked no it doesn't like you oh all right all right there you go let me just open that real quick just want to do we cut it already so 4.35 so typically i go into the door frame see it's 2.26 i would like to have us tape a little bit around for hand so let's try it again but you're gonna obviously have to say that's what four point three arguments three point two just use your skin well you know what no point four five i don't want to tape it basically we have pain in there between yeah we'll wait and do that as we need it and then basically four or five so really to me that's normal doesn't seem like this car has been like compounded or polished like crazy again there's an asterisk or a little mark saying we can't exactly take that for uh you know it's not written in stone but to me if i was normally doing this car in my process i'd be like okay there's there's certainly enough clear coat on here there's no red flags popping off saying like hey you've got your car sanded and polished again just on this section i'm done the rest of it and i know my i know my car's history not everybody will yeah so i know that it's only been so what i'm saying right like you haven't like sanded it down to like no i'm sure you polished it once or twice one time yeah so there you go poor thing that's good 4.9 the more you can leave on there the better that was a little low that's getting a little low there but 4.12 4.25 4.7 i mean we're all in the ballpark there's nothing but let's have some fun let's see if this actually measures out so if this is four point four point eight let's see if we do it on the clear bra see this is one of those fun examples all right so if you do let's do this as a i've done this in the in the gt3 video so we have 4.69 so this is what the paint is uncovered and if you go on the clear bra again this is an old clear bra so 4.7 let's call it just for argument's sake 11. so what's the math there somebody do it sully math 4.7 so let's call it five to six six ish so that's six so this clear bot is six mils but you can see this this is it's actually got lines in it this is this is the cut-off point of when clear bra started to get like really good you know what i mean that's talking to you ryan well i can't tell i forgot i was having a conversation with you and pointing move the camera up and down yeah so there's definitely clear bra on there it's about six mils so in terms of so you know i wouldn't say kevin and i uh differ at all it's just you know i've been using this since forever and he's been doing this for 150 years and they didn't have these so i wouldn't call it i'm reliable you know relying on it but i kind of am so i kind of have to pick and choose i think his point is it's fluctuating so much that that isn't always correct but for me i go like that gives me an idea of what's going on i kind of like open the door peek in but i didn't walk into the building i just looked and like okay it looks kind of safe close the door and then use my eyes to you know do an analysis or whatever so right now what are you doing you're just claying or doing the wipe down yeah we're just playing right now playing so again we're still doing a little bit of prep before the actual mechanical part of it just checking my notes making sure we're on schedule did you just do that or did you do the whole thing yeah so we're doing the wipe down and i'm getting crazy hot see me take my jacket off is that exciting television because i had hair really clean um well that's just all right a little bit let's swipe down so we can do this faster you guys wanted a live video you're getting a lot of video of course i'm glad that we taped all this tape around it so now it's a lot of fun to play yeah i know right i think what i'm going to do is we're going to revisit the panel because i didn't plan ahead and now i can't clay where the tape starts we're going to remove any bonded contaminants see that that wasn't there when i started there's some color there that was all stuck onto the paint so remember in previous episodes talk about that in previous episodes to this to us the last one we talked about residue control and so that's what that whole kevin brown we're making up a fake name kevin brown containment unit system whatever behind us that you just made that's the whole purpose of clang so it doesn't interfere now i remember do we actually have more clay you want more place well if i can be helpful here it is you guys are done with uh cleaning the car we're gonna do a cut bathroom break already very smooth on the bottom yeah just the top a little bit of fallout probably sits outside all day long so so at this point you guys are just washing down the car getting the contaminants off right just prepping the paint so that when we do polish it you don't have to interact with a lot of yeah anything we take off before we start to buff it keeps the pads clean the liquids cleaner some of the stuff's pretty hard particles so it could actually cause calories bad scouring well we live fairly close to the ocean so our air the air quality is pretty good here meredith meredith would know about that but right where we're located we actually have a couple of pretty decent sized airports that's right you're right over there planes overhead all the time you end up with some environmental faults certainly know that from filming here yeah all day every day not to mention a treatment plant right there interesting smells and sounds huh several years ago i did 14 overspray jobs right here because they were repainting that plant and it came across and hit 900 cars and it's epoxy urethane oh my god it was a bad deal but you see a little spot there i need a light on this side but you see see i'm scout dodging it a little bit with my finger it's coming clay works on so i just took it off so clay works on friction not necessarily pressure but one of the downsides of clay is look at the little marring can you can you get that marring right there i'll try to dry it off do you see the little the little marks i just put in right there i see it in my eye can you get that where are we at oh yeah actually that so there's the swirls and then the marring i just caused because i kind of went after that little spot right there put your finger there so i can uh that side okay yeah i can see it you see the difference in the swirls in the margin let's move your light around so you can see swirls swirls are the the ones we've been filming before i need the light over here for that squirrels do you see the swirls versus the marring it's a different so that can occur with clay does it matter right now not necessarily because we're going to polish it out but if you were just going to clay your people oh i want to clean my car i want to clean my car that's kind of like my big thing clay is like going to the emergency room is my little analogy you don't want to do it because then you have to correct that mind you maybe this paint is soft maybe i clayed too hard maybe my lubricant isn't good enough and we're back we took a little break there now we're going to be working on the back of the car doing a test panel likewise i also have jason rose on the phone he just happened to call in during the break so hello they can hear you say hello it's a phone modern technology um yeah so like i said we're just rolling with it and jason happened to call in because kevin's here and we're doing a bunch of stuff so anyways test panel explained us the test panel on camera and we have our friend hey buddy it's good to see you you know usually when meredith and i and you are doing a project we watch you on the phone and now we are watching you on the phone again remotely on the phone yes all right so talk to me a little bit about and then obviously jason hop in uh what's the first step in a test panel so we did basically we cleaned the car we've clayed it we've taped it okay we're done with that now we're talking about the texture we did the visual inspection we played it it's smooth so now we're going to do a test run we're going to see how rapidly the paint is removed right you know and so before we even do that i like to take the polish we're going to be using and the applicator and what is the polish we're going to be using it's over here on the table yeah just so this is important when you're doing uh a car is to obviously do a test panel because we have no idea you know really what's going on and to do let's say you compound the entire car and you polish the entire car yeah right and you just want to oh gosh we didn't get the scratches out now you have to repeat the whole thing doesn't make any sense yeah so this this is the polish we're going to be using yes so i'm just going to apply a little bit to a microfiber applicator and just we're going to work meredith in this area so i'm just going to apply some quickly and this is just hopefully removing a little bit of oxidation it keeps the pad cleaner it gives us a better shot of what we're actually working on i can see that it's going to remove some of that light water spot damage and now it you see that can you pick that up yeah that's a tell tale that something is there either something is attached still that didn't come off with the clay or it's a nick and that is a nick yeah okay big surprise so look for that too that's another way to use this just to double check your panel are you getting all this hand me a clean white towel yes i can't see the nick you're talking about it's there did you describe what the importance of the test panel is no why don't you do that for us indulge us because paint is a variable the hardness the defects everything about the paint is a variable so you can't possibly do the same procedure the same product combinations on every single car so a test panel the purpose of it is really to identify what what is best for this particular paint uh so we're going to learn about hardness we're going to learn about defect removal rate and we're going to learn about the porosity of the paint so all those things that are different from car to car uh the test panel is going to reveal what this particular paint likes and which product combination in terms of the you know compound and pad you know what this paint likes so the paint's gonna paint's gonna talk to us and tell us what it needs interesting so up front you just gave a little tutorial of what's going on with that what tool what's next we're going to go ahead and do a test run we're going to do a single one way pass got to get that machine we're gonna set up meredith with uh cordless yes we didn't talk about machines come over here first i didn't do that in the intro i forgot okay hold on to that while i'm doing this all right so what we're gonna use is jason we have uh first over here um the 15 millimeter throw with a cordless on the flex yeah and then we have the 21 millimeter uh a large stroke and then jason or kevin getting confused with the two of them on the phone he's gonna use the uh rotary again cordless we're kind of um jazzed out about the cordless stuff right now so it's you know this particular time of the year is or this you know i'm talking about the cordless stuff yeah before this is kind of it's here now yeah and then of course we have three inch so pick your poison here for meredith because it's lightweight it's new it's neat we're going to use this one random orbit battery power i'm going to grab her a foam pad we're going to start with foam because it tends to take away paint at a slower rate than a microfiber and if that does the job great but i'm guessing we'll probably end up going to the microfiber got it i'll meet you there let's do that all right i'll hold this here you're now uh okay you're now on stage i can't hear what what happened there we'll we'll be using that machine as well i know you love the porter cable so we'll be using that clean clean pad brand new okay is this the strangest call you've ever had i thought i call you randomly all the time with weird stuff this one this one takes the cake huh the paw patrol not so much not on camera all right pay attention jason pay attention we're using a polish which has been engineered or designed to remove paint slowly versus a compound which is designed to remove it rapidly doesn't mean that it's it can't do it rapidly it's just saying from the onset it was designed to remove it slower than a compound would do you agree with that i guess moving on all right that went well was not able to see it you didn't see that that was the polish a polish oh yeah oh yeah let's continue here let's just do uh we're going to start with just a traditional method doing a try to figure out a few droplets okay okay i'm going to show you and then you're going to continue on so we're going to do a single one-way pass okay just to see how rapidly things are being removed and what kind of speed are we going i'm starting slow what we want to do on any machine rotary random orbital sander anything is you turn on the machine on a slow speed okay now watch it's gripping and grabbing steering me around we don't want that so you bump the speed up until you have good control and that's that's the right speed okay you see that yep as you bump speed up the grip decreases you drop it down it increases so pad drag in increases at lower rates of speed look at that low speed it's not skimming it's steering everywhere so you bump up to a speed that gets the pad gliding along smoothly and that enables you to dial in initially for any pad any liquid any machine any paint awesome okay so you're going to do a single one-way pass actually i'm going to do it first and we're just going to move the machine along and see how much work's getting done and we're going to wipe that now i would imagine since i worked here so much it's going to wipe easily right and then progressively as i was going from left to right we're getting loaded up with more and more dead oxidized paint or paint residue and it's causing uh things to get sticky and harder to remove but maybe it'll just come off well because we did do that initial application with by hand and it actually did so what do we see larry actually a lot of you did a lot of work there quite a bit of improvement so far we might get lucky and just use the foam yeah and the machine action you know obviously dictates how much you know it adds to the cut rate so let's let's go with that okay so the plan is to use 205 or use polish and a foam pad yep this is a polishing pad just a mid-range polishing pad so i can talk about pads briefly if you want me to but um basically the pad has a few functions right it's got to apply the product everything does that it's got to distribute the polishing energy which means the machine motion my pressure the weight of the machine all those things if i tilt or not so the pad has to apply the product all pads do that it has to distribute the machine the polishing energy right the power of the machine but the most important thing that it must do is squeegee the surface clean in other words if i am working and then at some point that polish locks down and now my pad rides on top of it and it's not squeezing the surface clean i'm not getting any work right okay so that's to me is the most important thing so that way you'll know can i use that polishing pad on this paint or with a compound well if it has the ability to squeegee the surface clean and not pinch and bend underneath and grab and grip and steer unusually then yes that's that's a good one you can you can attempt it okay finally some pads have the ability to increase the cut rate so as an example if you compared foam to a heavy cut wool pad that pad is adding cutting ability sensible yeah makes sense anything to add to that jason yeah so if you've done that testbot and you did you let's say you only got 50 of the defects out there's there's adjustments you can make right definitely you can do another pass you can bump speed up you can add liquid or take it away depending if it's a slippery liquid you would take some away if it wasn't so slippery you could add so if it has abrasives in the the compound or polish well if we use more of it we're getting more work done because there's more activity from the abrasives correct all right so per our video that you know i promised everybody your turn get behind the wheel here i would start over there maybe right do we need to add any more compound i think we do right now yes we do and we should clean this pad but we're going to do it just for the sake of the video right now and because the pad blowout is across the room okay so just a single one-way pass and move about inch per second okay we'll stop about here okay now is it grabbing and gripping and steering should i bump it up just a little bit yeah there you go okay now when i say stop to stop where you're at stop don't lift now this is already telling us a few things before we even look at the paint we're learning your technique this is a six-inch pad and it's got a 15-millimeter orbit so if this was in complete contact with this if you had this right on the trunk and it was a flat trunk we would see six inch pad plus the orbit so six and a half six and a half seven inches what are we seeing we're seeing initially the machine was off and so it was that rest and then when you started either the panel chain shape or your your the way you're holding it changed so in this case you probably added some tilt this way okay so you look at your pattern as you polish and that'll determine if you should add some tilt which is safe to do this pad is designed to be cushiony and foam and contour or or you don't need to and so in this case i would say the next time we do do this be aware of that and then make an adjustment either tilt up and down this way okay so can you see another way that the pad should be what's the word horizontal to the surface that you're yeah like if if the machine was up like this right exaggerating you see how you screw this out hold that okay thank you yeah so obviously um if they're nice and flat nice wide pattern but you can already see inside here the size here yeah it's changing with my arm motion even see the size was consistent around here and the previous one was up this helps to dictate hey this is probably not reasonable i can't keep it's good to control my the way on my body design as i went away you can see it start to wiggle i can't i can't control it that way right up close i've got total control i can add tilt you see how skinny i can add tilt you see how skinny or i can add tilt to get maximum width now you're perfectly horizontal yeah now there it is without losing the fact that we were doing a test path but we do already know that this removes rapidly so be careful uh is this the right direction to even polish this piece why does it remove what why do you know that it removes because i did a test over there right initially and we determined that wow that removed a lot of the defects because we were using a product that removes the excess slowly slowly and it did it rapidly we did it pretty well in our mind we're saying hey in one pass we used a a slow one that's slow meaning a polish but i think we did this for a reason so that it it makes your mind you know think certain ways so we used something that was slow we used a pad that was a slower remover let's say right and after doing all that math the paint came out or or we abraded it quickly yes so if we were to go to something stronger it'd go even faster the reason we're doing a test cause scouring probably more work and take off more paint everything so i know we're spending a lot of time on the test panel but like to me at least i think this is one of the most important things we need to talk about because i see a lot of people oh it's uh i do that all the time the mechanics are like first we're going to do this step and then we're going to do that step and it's like did you do a test panel yet no no i just polished the entire car and then you get back you're like wait a second i didn't get any scratches out because hypothetically the paint was hard in that example right so test panels you know i think we've learned a lot already yeah now without changing too much i can tell right now that very likely for meredith for anybody instead of going across what about coming up and back like this and then moving this way [Music] now talk a little bit about the about the eyes we were doing this again off camera where your where your face is meaning like if i'm polishing over here i can't see where this right you know so i try to focus my eyes at the edge of the pad and i and that means that i if i have a dangerous area this ridge on the trunk this spoiler this this panel excuse me i'm gonna move my head or get my body to the point so i can see the dangerous areas and i'm going to be right here and move up to it this is what one of the reasons why this is a good approach for this trunk if i'm coming this way and i'm just cruising i can't really see if i'm riding on that or grabbing dirt off of the rubber right you know all these things are going through my head to say hey i want total control of what's happening it dramatically decreases your risk okay yeah anything you with us you still with us he just put a light on he's trying to see it so here's what actually happened i tried to call jason but jason is traveling because he has a life apparently and he wasn't he wasn't able to be here so we loved jason and we wanted to get him on the phone so that's why we're doing it any other any other parting words because i'm getting tired of holding this phone anything else no i just miss you guys thanks so much thank you jason have fun we'll see you later bye say bye bye so that was fun we wanted to get jason jason's our man he's our buddy there you go okay so where do let's let's wipe this clean i want to blow this pad out oh you want to do the section on the pad blowing now or do you want to do it later let's talk about that yeah because we have done a lot of polishing now just playing around and showing you different techniques and things it's removed a lot of paint and so if we don't clean this pad a couple things happen that polish is saturating into the foam and changing its integrity or its design right it gets a lot of liquid in it gets heavier the machine comes a little more out of balance right the liquid is heavy and the abrasives and the paint by comparison right right and so that can cause uh imbalance issues it can cause the pad to drag differently or collapse so a lot of reason to clean it out number one is the residue affects the rate of cut and the ability to finish it we talked about that in in the later series of of the ata as our number one thing like uh what was it polishing mistakes to avoid was not understanding the concept of residue control we really talked about the wood we kept talking about all that kind of stuff where sure we where we vacuumed out the the sawdust of the wood there's the sawdust i'm using air quotes on the pad but we are using clear sawdust we're using we're working on clear paint you can't see that resin right and we have no vacuum remember the vacuum right sure so it's like because yeah in other industries woodworking as they sand away the wood they get hook a vacuum to it there's little holes in the in the back but it sucks up and removes the debris the contamination the wood residue when you're machining parts you know you've got a cnc machine they're constantly flushing the debris away and filtering that out all the time right in that previous episode we didn't talk about how to remove it so are you cool should i pull the the kevin brown whatever we're calling it now so we're going to pull this in and show how to remove the residue control are we good on the test panel do you think we've got it we're going to do a final inspection on that but we've already determined that we can do a lot of work with this mid-range and if it didn't work you would have done multiple more passes you could do more or you would have gone to compound or you would have changed your pad we would have changed the pad you know we would have went more passes made some adjustments to liquid and then if that didn't give us a satisfactory result we would change the pad and do it again okay i'm just trying to make sure that when people are watching at home they're not just saying okay i gotta do one pass the polish and then that's it this just the paint told us what it wanted and that's what it wanted and that's the other thing is we we did one pass we would inspect it and say hey let's try another it looks like it's working and let's try another and we would deduce by the third pass or fourth pass right we got where we want to or hey you know what this is taking a long time let's make an adjustment but now you know in general i can probably do two back and forth passes or three and get this car to look like that instead of five and six and seven passes taking more time right removing more paint getting more residue everything's worse the longer we polish right yeah okay let's pull this in this is the i don't know what we're calling it again kevin brown containment whatever system yeah so i know you made a whole crazy thing here but what can people normally do at home we're just trying to control the dust because we we have to blow out the pads it's just it's a given and and it creates a lot of debris right floating around so we want to contain that so sometimes we use a little trash can and a vacuum if that's all we have at the time we did with the mclaren thing that was like a weird little thing you built on the spot yep other guys i know they'll take a big cardboard box and they'll flip it and cut a little hole and they'll blow inside the box other guys put water in all kinds of ways a gallon bucket blow it out just switch sticks i had these fans i have racking i made this up last night and it's simply two fans blowing down air and exhausting through inexpensive filters for your house and so turn them on now show us an example should you get can you are you able to see this in the light without i'm gonna do a pump of water put on stream yeah it's not working i don't see anything i was waiting now we're gonna do we're gonna try to use this and keep the dust to a minimum we'll get everything probably not right there's no vacuum or anything but i have plenty of videos of shooting uh so we're using compressed air yep and that's still my favorite way to clean so stand over here yep i'm gonna lay it down here get that pad going is it actually working back i don't know yeah i can't really see anything going up so i guess that's the goal and that's it depending on the pad we would do that two or three times microfiber we would tend to have a lot more debris there because it really grabs and holds this foam is pretty easy to release the material so all right and that's that would you like this out of the way now yeah let's put this out of the way for the moment and we'll go back to uh bringing everything the way it was and get back to work lots to do so you don't think i need to use a microfiber cutting pad or just go straight to i i think uh we'll do a closer analysis to finalize that that's this is doing the job but maybe microfiber on scratches or something like this yeah yeah so maybe i maybe i should do that maybe i should just focus maybe i'll take the three inch and just go hit all the okay the thing is while your guys are finishing whatever you're doing okay carry on yes yeah that did pretty good not bad i'm gonna do another run with it okay okay and then we'll get back to technique but i want to confirm this is doing the trick yeah i need to get meredith doing something here okay where's the three inch there it is helps if you open it huh yeah i know thank you i just want to get a quick look that light let's get some light on this huh i can see really well from here [Applause] that helped yeah tremendously come to this side see i'm watching this side now [Music] i'm certain i can do that but this is much easier for me to see and control okay let's just see how that looks blind myself and a fresh towel that's kind of wet get that light up there let's see if that's wow that's pretty good now we do have some we we could easily bump that pad up and i think if you want to get rid of all the i think that we we would save a little time if we did go to microfiber larry oh see over here i think we can clean that up but i mean i think we can get it absolutely perfect with microfiber that's why i was like we're going to go two stages yeah i think we're going to try that we're going to try and do microfiber all the way through so i'm going to use we're going to use a finishing disc right here six inch i'm sorry now are you going to change to uh are you going to continue using the polish yes okay it's working just fine six set this one aside so basically we're stretching the plan a little bit here because the polish made it look pretty good but there are some deep scratches or ribs random isolated deep scratches so like this one here it's just not going to come out with polish and so if you have a bunch of them and you polish this section it looks really good and this one is kind of reduced it's like well you know you've already swum halfway across the ocean you also just finished the job so and then in this case well we typically will prime microfiber because when you put polish there microfiber so good at grabbing and holding it doesn't migrate it just tends to stay there so we prime microfiber specifically microfiber sometimes if you do this with foam you'd get splatter or wool you'd get splattered it doesn't have the same kind of control and in this case because i want to get strategic in other words i want to see what i'm working on and then stop i'm not going to add an abundance of liquid we don't have a lot of oxidation that stuff we had a lot of it came off with the hand so i want to put a minimal amount of polish so now there's abrasives in that polish micro fine super micro fine abrasive polish or abrasives they're going to attach and stay in place for the most part they're going to move around some but they're going to stay in place that gives me high efficiency of transferring the machine motion so if the particles stay in place they're being directly driven versus if i put a bunch on there and let it smear and roll around you wouldn't get as quick of a cut and it would be more difficult to see so what will happen though the negative is if we are removing a lot of paint we got to clean out a lot more because it because the paint residue buries the abrasives buries the strings you can watch the cut go down and if you're going an inch per second and you're watching closely within two seconds you can say whoa it just quit cutting it virtually stops so the example you gave me just to kind of come at it from a different direction you said there was a hardwood floor we did it's like two weeks ago on the floor there's a hardwood floor and imagine two different things one is you put a bunch of rocks on the floor and you go like this with your feet right right there's there's one and the rocks rolling around and you're going like this number two is you come in and you get a rock stuck in the treads of your shoe yes and you go like this on it yeah you walk in on a slippery surface you walk in from your gravel driveway and some of the some of the rocks get stuck in your shoe and you make a quick stop and you slip right all your weight is dragging those rocks are staying in place and they're gouging right versus if i walked in and there was some pebbles or bearings or little marbles and i hit it there my foot's gonna roll they're still gonna create a ridge and some damage but nothing like something that's been locked in place and drugged so the analogy here is you are using the you're having it stick on this particular one where sometimes if you would over put a lot more quantity of liquid right and then that would be the other okay okay i'm an analogy guy good so yeah i want to watch right here because it's still hard harder to see through but i kind of count seconds thousand one thousand two you know i go in there hold it and come back i want to see so i'm going to just kissing up against this section let's see what that did switch flip much better now there's a tiny bit left and we're seeing a little haze it's not as clear right that is the effects of the paint residue right and locking in the locked on a bracelet so i'm going to blow this out quickly come back and not add anything to this just use what's left in there because there's still be plenty in there and we'll do just a clean up and see how so just to reiterate here you're using a microfiber finishing disc as opposed to a cutting disc so yes when we were doing that like do no harm segment or do the least amount of aggression i think i probably would have maybe just out of habit gone to the cutting because that's like my go-to right do you think if i would have done that in this case i'm just trying to think out loud you think i would have potentially taken more clear coat off than was necessary it would have taken off more rapidly so you could have maybe worked a little less time slower right but those in that particular in this system right there's a cutting disc and a finishing disc the cutting disc has longer strands and less of them so as you use them has less strands less microfiber strings yes but they're longer yes so as you turn on the machine they flatten and drag as opposed like a chain put a chain in the ground and you spin it around it anything that's on the ground it knocks right through it right this disc has very short strings or fibers and they're packed tightly together they'll tend to stay more vertical okay so in this case yes you would have probably got more cut but you would have had deeper scratches got it okay and then the backing plate is different as well right this is a softer foam more contourable so let me see if i have a red one here yeah so yeah aren't there's one uh yeah see if it's a foam totally different foam you know oops backwards so different microfiber different microfiber and then different foam i gotta be honest with you i probably would have gone with this i think you were right i'd have more work on the back end yeah there's a tremendous amount of strings here and each microfiber string has lots of different uh size sizes sides it's designed to have multiple multi-surface area yeah like a star you know lots of little a lot of one string has a lot of juts uh on so a lot of surface area working so it gets a lot of work done quickly interesting yeah okay let me blow this out and then all right that actually changed my mind a little bit there as to what i'm going to do yeah what are you doing over here well what i'm doing over here was normally like i said i would be using sorry i'm actually thinking because that was interesting um i normally would my go-to is a microfiber cutting pad like i just said but even on camera here i'm trying to think because i'm just learning from kevin as always that this in this case it would have cut too much i i still think the microfiber cutting pad on something like this is going to be necessary because otherwise i'm gonna be with with the foam pad here and it's just gonna take me forever to cut through that so i'll probably go with the microfiber cutting pad but um yeah anyway i guess the point of doing like an hour long you know test panel is that you actually save a whole lot of time by doing this because imagine put it this way imagine if i just did the microphone my go-to i walk in i go okay fine i'm going to use the microfiber cutting pad like i always you know my typical and then i use a foam pad to polish out i would have i would have thought that i was going in and saving time by doing that because i want to hit the car like we've talked about in the videos drop my bags down and attack the paint but if i didn't kind of like chill and relax and and take the you know we're doing a little longer because we're on camera here and taking breaks and go to the bathroom or whatever but a test panel 10 15 minutes or whatever but it's like the most important 10-15 minutes you could possibly do on the car because you get the whole game plan for the rest of it so anyways that's what's going on let's check it in an hour before we or two hours because there is some heat absorption it causes it to stretch and swell right and think about it not just with heat do you get this stretching and expansion and pulling of panels etc but you get absorption so now we take a machine and we force our liquid we're twisting under torque under force not just heating up the panel but also moving the paint around and then with liquid and it's a porous structure you could be pressing in liquid and it happens on a microscopic level so what i like to do is finish up my panels as well as i can get them and then come back in a few hours an hour or two hours whatever and let anything let any you know migration or or contraction happen check it again and we might find out that we could just literally do one pass with foam and it's dialed so we would save a lot of time just waiting my key is to buff as least as possible sure i want to keep this because this has got a lot of paint on it still and you've had how long um yeah it'll be six years yeah so that's done great job yeah come here so i just picked up this this um polisher and the cord was dirty and i just put the pad on look at the pad that's perfect example of working clean so if you if you see kevin i don't know i don't know if you've got any footage of him he's always cleaning the hoses like the blue hose right there before we got started he was cleaning it you know took a towel dirty towel and was you know like you would clean a extension cord i just touched this i don't know what i touched but look at that pad are you catching that on camera yeah so now i got to go blow this pad out because i just contaminated it before i even touched it so like this residue control thing is such a massive concept i say 400 times because it's it's that big it kind of changed my whole career i guess so anyways i gotta go blow this pad out which i haven't even touched or primed yet because i just got it dirty technically you didn't touch it yes i did touch it yes i touched it the wrong way so now i want you to do again we're not we are trying to get the car as good as we can as your car but it's technique so what i want you to do is find an area of the car that you can comfortably come in and see this edge i want you to initially i want you to work this half okay okay so and judging from what we were talking about i want you to come in this way then move and do that that procedure see if that works for you or not so if you want to do it from the side or from there probably from this way because i can see this that's what i do too you have better control both arms you can go straight back and control that okay can you see any scratching yeah is it tell me where you like the light right there it's probably fine and again i'm mainly concerned you can see this edge okay there we go clean took two seconds gotta make sure my hands are clean now tilt a little bit now when i say stop just stop where you're at okay stop now a couple things one we're watching this area because it's dangerous but this is equally dangerous sure and look how close you came to that area so be aware of that second thing to to mitigate that problem and to get a better bite on this edge so in other words if you stay totally flat you've got equal pressure everywhere you see this part of the pad it's not supported right so it's not really doing much out here but yet it's affecting where you're stopping because that's where you you see where you're stopping so let's do this run the machine and then let's add a little bit of tilt you see that yep now i can still move as much as i want to but i'm i'm focusing the polishing energy forward forward okay so look there versus that right and then of course if we got extreme and said hey like that let's see well i would tell you hey that's okay but you need to lift a little bit or you're really forcing that as this thing swings around it's really digging a lot of paint so so and i'm not even opposed to saying hey if you do want to use that much tilt that's fine start here bring it in gently you follow you can you can do this at low speed that's totally fine bring it down come in anyway so just what i want you to do this time is think of this one watch this one think of that one okay and i'm yeah go ahead and i'll i'll keep you a bumper stop so you'll feel it a little more arm speed straight up straight back now move straight up back move now i want you to come ahead go ahead and come back this way over here just come all the way over okay and i want to add tilt like that now mine see that my hands underneath it so if you feel it on the back go ahead up back down move over up straight lines up like this boom boom like a machine boom boom you got that yeah now i think is this comfortable or not no it feels good now okay you have good control left and right yeah it's not wiggling too much okay yeah so what will we do if we have gripping and grabbing and steering what's the natural if everything is perfect you like your angle you can see that you're where everything's comfortable but we have pad grip what do we do we talked about it about an hour ago if the pads grabbing and gripping and steering speed it up yeah people associate speed with increasing polishing or or force or partly true if you just as you increase speed you bear down more too but speed can cause that pad to glide along and and therefore not grip as well okay okay so try that okay so right now over here okay you want more are you good that's pretty good let's try it just so you can feel it too much speed for you maybe a little bit yeah a little bit faster i think it's better but you can tell the difference that's good yeah [Music] yep that's my hand stop now just to try it come over here and try to polish um from this angle tell me which what do you think yeah i want you to still work this area okay but i want you to tell me immediately do you have more comfort going from here this way or did you like it better this way in other words you're aware like i don't want to ruin that edge i have better control going this way or i have better control going that way so you tell me which one feels like you can keep total control so i'm essentially going to be going this direction yeah instead of coming up to the edge right just going along it see if you can control it better that way or the way we did it all right let me see all right [Music] now as you keep going up you start losing control don't you yep okay go back yeah did you notice that and you were tilting up too right and look look where you're at you're here yep i shifted yeah you're not even near that area so way easier to go the other direction yeah total control you come up see exactly where you're at you can even bump i do that a lot i'll do this uh just bumping bumping back up um call it scalloping i'll come in there and go so i'm not locking on that for a long period of time boom boom boom i don't care if i'm polishing this much doesn't bother me a bit i'm trying to take off the least amount of paint and get the best job done i don't care that i'm only doing this much if i'm tilting i just care about how much paint i'm getting off and how efficient am i i can come over here later and come this way yeah right and then if i want to then i can do the middle whatever yeah i don't feel comfortable working in this way yeah and that's the thing is a lot of people are taught or think that i have to go front to back yeah on the car on the hood i even on the roofs i don't polish front to back i start over here and yours is i'll start out here and i can i want to see when i come here and stop and go back usually you're getting a much better fit this way okay versus this hoping not not knowing hoping i mean because really you're either got to bring it in and now you don't have the control if this thing hits something it pushes you back so we'll talk about that with the rotary but basically when i'm working on these i support myself on things that don't dent and then i lock an arm and i can move i have a really good control if i can lock an arm but we'll talk about that with rotary so okay okay so i think at this point let's see what larry's doing you get all done larry i'm i'm done you finished you're up okay okay [Music] yeah right no really i i was gonna have to say something oh say something come over here i'm here for you there i heard lunch louise all right so when i just blew out the pad a minute ago the pad was yellow just by doing this spot here can you ninja buy without getting caught there and that mean kevin yeah so the thing i wanted to show where's my pen um is the look at you sully i got the face can you go in for the type he's just getting around the thing yeah um i don't know if ryan can pick that up looking good huh well see we took out the majority of the the swirls these i didn't clean this out yeah oh yeah we took out the majority of the swirls but there's the deeper ones so the question is do i just go at it longer with the the finishing pad right do i switch to a you know a little three inch or something and go after these little random deeper ones then the second question is how would you attack these co this door is kind of curved if you look it's kind of interesting it goes clean clean clean clean clean tell me if you can see this you guys but right in this little strip you know you always get that strip where you just we didn't get it sure so like i'm thinking a scallop here but how would you right that's how i would do it because when you switch to smaller diameter pads they are easier to fit in areas but they load up more quickly and you start to haze things right you have to clean more often all the time right so i went to go clean it off i was going to show you real quick but you guys were doing your thing yeah this was bright bright yellow it was it was okay yeah there's no reason to switch to a smaller pad so light me up and that's you gotta probably prime that up a little bit okay do you have the bigger can you give me the bigger um scan grip thing like the handheld one unless you have it in your pocket that's right here so i'm gonna be working i'm gonna scalp like i said i'm gonna move in and move out like backing into a space and then backing back out and going to the next one like oh i want to pull into this one oh i don't there's a tree there i want to back out and move over so this section here looks good but yeah i can really see it now wow can you get that ryan or no let's see what we got here is clean meaning it looks good there's some isolated scratches and the idea is hey do i stay with the foam pad at the finishing powder go to the compounding then the other question was hey when people do this because every door nowadays has these you know beautiful designs we're going to try to knock both of that we have more scratches here and a funny shape so i'm going to increase the quantity of liquid but in this case i'm putting most of it out here because i'm going to work that part of the pad so and the reason it's not explain why i can't hit this can you see the side just again i'll put the light in you can see the crevice you can imagine see the light this is the extreme let me get in tight there yeah okay i can see that there's that crevice now how am i gonna form that i'd have to really push down hard and now i have tremendous pressure here almost nothing here right so we would have extreme removal of paint here and this would be dancing around and bouncing and scouring doing no work just making more mess so what i just taught meredith is what we're going to do here we're going to use part of the pad i'm on speed two i've got extra polish on there yep and i'm gonna come up this way and down and see that can you pick that up ryan that most of this is not touching bump it up a little bit for more flip i get more control that way right from the top larry i can see that edge there you go keep catching that line that path i'm aware of that edge this is clear bra here all right i'm going to come back i'm really curving with that panel i can feel it now talk about the rotation it's not that big a deal a large stroke that it stalls because that's side action is still getting there's so much time i'm gonna stop that's basically what three back and forth passes uh here i just happen to have this one close okay no that towel is kinda there we go i see a little bit there but you definitely got this portion of it so i would be aware of this area would i mask could i open the door that's going to go in so not in this car sometimes you can do that and access that panel might be better to get a small machine for that area i think that would be the wise move because if i tape this then i'm riding on the tape or i'm on the protection field and that's transferring onto the paint now i see some haziness which i expected because i'd use a lot i used that that polish for a long time and i still see a gouge here so what we're going to do because you know you have to be reasonable you can't have five machines with five different pads that's true but i would like to blow this out real fast okay hold that thing how you're gonna do that unplug yeah take it off just do it real fast oh you want to put on another machine get on a machine that'll let it rotate there's one up here and there's a wait a minute where was it that definitely cut the defects but it did leave it hazy machine could you do this by hand you could okay that's smart yeah yeah and the same things apply you take the microfiber left matter of fact grab the microfiber applicator just randomly slap it on doesn't matter at this point do you see that stuff coming out basically that's all the sawdust that just came out you know what i mean when we were explaining before that's all the sawdust when we were doing like a red car i know this is red but a red single stage ferrari that he and i did years ago at 40. we were blowing i'll try to find that footage we were blowing it in slow motion you could see red junk all over the place again this one's got clear coat on it so it's not we're blowing clear stuff out but if it was single stage we'd be blowing red green blue whatever the color of the car was this way you're getting into those valleys so when you do hand application you mimic what a machine might do for you when you pre when you have tilt and random orbit action okay now we flip and grab that water okay so it looks a little scary a lot of paint and keep in mind we're using microfiber we can go to foam too so i'm going to start flipping flipping flipping flipping pad okay towel let me get you a cleaner one you can most certainly get to where you need to much better yeah not perfect but much better i would stick with this polish and use more and flip my path maybe have a couple applicators or you know something like you're saying use that pad instead of she asked if meredith asked if is it reasonable to use hand applications if you don't have the small machine and you're worried about getting in there with the machine you have can you satisfactorily get the work done and you can but at the same time if it was deeper scratches it'd be wise to go to a compound first then follow follow up but look how much better that is so that's totally reasonable especially in areas like this right professionals are always trying to use machines in there and sometimes just hand applications the easiest best way to go i see a lot larger scratch i can get to that you're gonna stick with i didn't put that on right so i just threw it on there you need to polish no i think i'm gonna just oh no i want to see if i can get haze free and then you can work on that yourself so let's get you down right there okay right there we wouldn't normally try to finish out with microfiber because it's so good at grabbing and holding onto debris that it immediately starts to load up and cause a scouring issue but this has a lot of microfiber springs so we're hoping some of that gets moved around and hidden away it's much much better and again just as we talked about meredith i would finish my door i would let it sit for an hour or two come back and check it again and if it needed to i'd follow up with foam i see a couple of deeper scratches i would leave them leave as much paint as you can on this car it's such great shape you're going to keep it so you're talking about expansion contraction kind of yeah i'm thinking that you know it's always a good idea to finish out your panel as best you can get it and then come back to it come back in a couple hours a few hours hour whatever it is let it do its shifting and adjusting and cooling down and moving and then you might say oh wow it is a little hazy right i stopped with microfiber it looked good but now that i let it rest i'm going to finish up with foam okay so ryan we're close to lunch is what you're telling me yeah we need to do a break for all right so what we're going to do is when we come back uh we're going to use that test panel that's behind there and we're going to talk about expansion and contraction the stuff that we did on your car and we kind of had that aha eureka moment so i think after lunch we come back we explain that because i mean to get that on camera is is pretty ridiculous you know that expansion stuff sure so we good lunch all right we'll be back in two seconds now as you mentioned on the other side of meredith's car we were talking about expansion and contraction and how important that is to the paint and you talked about letting it sit for a few minutes right we just finished up the panel and i said you know normally what i'll do is get it as where i think it's ready it's done right and i'll come back and revisit it in an hour or two just to see if any expansion of the panel and the paint from the heat and the twisting and the pressure has come back to rest all right so my goal here was to sort of prove that not do it necessarily on meredith's car yeah um so we have a scrap panel here we went across the street talked to a body shop guy he said hey you know do we have any scrap metal or whatever and he said yeah absolutely i went back we looked we got it it's always a good idea to do that and you can do some tests and burn through and have a good time i i've had my test panel for like three four years and i've burned through it and play with it anyways um let's but we're going to measure the paint first right then we're going to heat it up with a heat gun right what we're attempting to show is the the panel the primer the base coat and the clear coat are going to expand with the heat okay now expand indicates immediately they go get bigger but in this case and in most cases from what we found recently is that as we get expansion it goes in all directions so it can stretch and give you a reading of thinness but at the same time you can also get a reading where you've got some absorption of solvents or you know with the expansion and contraction it didn't come back to rest exactly or right away it's not a it's not an open and closed this much and that much every time it's constantly shifting its dynamic it's one of the reasons why we want to show that these are a great tool to have but you shouldn't solely rely on the readings makes sense all right so here we go let's put this down again we're going to use a heat gun so that we don't remove paint during a polishing right because normally we're polishing and we're heating up the paint but we're also braiding paint away so that's to take that that out of the equation let's say oh right there ready yeah okay just putting fire out you go ahead yeah just a little bit so i can get it in the same spot that good that is perfect all right so 5.2 we're all good there let me just do this real quick yes 5.3 5.2 that's how sensitive it is so let's call it 5.2 because i was off a little bit before 5.4 of course and we we have done this before and the ink has actually falsified the reading oh yeah you're adding material yeah 5.3 5.2 we're right in the area all right you got your temperature yeah the temperature right now yes let me just put my finger there because i can't see it there it is take my finger away it's about 72 degrees you see that yep got it what do you want me to bring this up to larry just about 150 160 okay would you say what in the sun roughly 140 150. like a black card in the sun certainly so and that does the entire panel so it might act differently but we think that's a good indicator to show that it's actually occurring where we at 1 125 140 seems sensible that if you heat the entire panel you might get more expansion right because this is fighting to push that out or it might cause it to not expand that much that way but more this way right 150 go to 150 160. 160. okay i'll keep telling you you're almost here maybe two more passes there you go now you're up to 170. all right so well yeah 61. okay ready okay let's see here without burning myself yes no it's really on no it's hot 5.2 5.1 5.1 5.1 5.1 just a little bit yeah so went down 0.2 again we're in we're in um another thing to consider that you brought up a good point is that we have the same quantity of paint and material right but we either make it less dense or more dense so if we froze this it would contract and become dense right if we do the opposite like we just did and we heat it it becomes less dense or more malleable and we found that even by pressing on the hotter paint that we were getting indentation marks which indicates that this was actually able to go in deeper and give you a false reading again right the way i was saying it was like a mattress so if your mattress was like this at normal rest normal temperature right and then you had all kinds of feathers or whatever it is down in there then you heated it up hypothetically and increased the top of the of the mattress on the bottom but you didn't change the amount of fillings feathers in there yeah so when when this thing was getting bigger and bigger and there's you know more room in here as you would jump onto the bed let's say you would go yeah maybe fluffier and essentially twistier more malleable socks we sort of proved that by having this little tip right there you see that thing okay got it yeah that tip right there you know it's relatively hard because it's got to you know measure the paint so as it was doing it was indenting the paint and and pushing it left the mark it def left the marks right so we're still at 5.1 let's see if it actually goes up over i can feel the heat in my hands right now it's so hot sometimes it doesn't measure there you go 5.2 is starting to come back up 5.2 yeah 5.2 5.2 so obviously as it he you know it expanded and as it's cooling it's starting to come back up again it's going to do that so that was kind of what we were doing and it might even take if you're doing entire panels it could take it's still 98 degrees oh yeah okay so that's why it's just slowly starting to go and when you're polishing now you're adding twisting force and you're adding liquid that's in the buffing so you're going like this to it you are pressing in a liquid under force twisting pushing moving this is a structure that can absorb so you would be possibly instilling a liquid into there and that has to evaporate it has to be moved out so that slows the process so you could get a false reading you could think it looks perfect today it looks pretty good tomorrow but next week you might start seeing some hazing and that was just because it it finally came back to rest so does that work the same as if like you pulled your you finished your car then you pulled it out into the sun yeah let it sit in the parking lot or whatever and put it back inside we actually do that and a lot of guys do that when they're doing coatings because it's so critical to get the paint perfected with certain coatings they don't hide anything the last thing you want to do is you spend all this time and energy installing a super durable coating and then come to find out a week later oh my goodness look at all the micro marring yeah that's super common we recommend that you cycle it cool it let it go to room temperature take it outside okay a lot of guys use the infrared lights and bring it up to different varying temperatures let it expand contract expand contract when you're confident you're not seeing anything in return now do the coating got it all right so you guys are gonna head back and do scalloping on the rear yeah we're going to just continue on the other side and keep this project okay follow them all right great get this out of the way up here we want to move this thing out of the way oh yeah mind grabbing that side there isn't like hooked on no no let me just pick it up good enough that's fine okey dokey pokey okay now we could certainly pull out a small padded machine like this one and work this area which would be the obvious thing you'd want to do right but let's say you didn't have this i want to teach you how to you know maximize using using one one pad one liquid one machine so let's get the machine and have you work with that i'm gonna blow this out really quick just double check that it's wiped down completely i didn't see where we stopped hmm all right and everything's going to be the same same polish everything light prime i tend to do it on the outer ring we're not using much okay so kind of the same ideas we're gonna watch our dangerous areas can we get some of that light yeah let me get find out where he took us yeah i don't know where the little handheld went oh the handheld yeah we need the hand let's get the handheld that's that's the one i really need [Music] that's fine yeah you got it finally great the same kind of idea you can choose to go this way bad idea yeah we're already on this edge on that edge div it there really bad we have no choice either get a smaller pad or start to utilize this one the way we did there so in this case um you can either look here and remember that this has to be up and start you can start the machine and come this way you see that yeah that's pretty safe that feels comfortable i'm using a lower speed because i want to be very careful okay but i'm picking up my arm to repeated you know i can either bump speed up of the machine and get more uh slipperiness of the pad or i can just move my arms faster right so do that and then we come this way being aware like wow this is really high right so you might even want to come down uh you might want to come at this this way see and you can see this side here so and just not even moving the machine just barely just turning it more than anything see that we can check the pattern watch stop that's where it stopped right there you see yeah so this is a difficult one but you're you're up okay try to take your time all right and just be aware of the danger areas okay and it's a it's even for me it's a little awkward do you think it would be too weird to go at it no i don't think it'd be weird at all and i'm going to keep my hand here so i can tell you if you're hitting my thumb and say hey your your angle's not good okay go ahead there you go you're totally safe on the back end oh sorry slow down a little bit stop stay right where you're at now it's okay for that to momentarily come across that but it is coming across so too much okay and i would bump my speed a little bit and hold the machine hold and come down and just don't rest it on the pad okay you are holding it here and here and you are adjusting your hands exactly doing that much better okay more tilt there you go more tilt lift the back end up more keep it going [Music] no no let me do it you just hold it you see that yep you see that if it doesn't if it doesn't rotate what you do is it's stalling you go up new spot okay okay nothing wrong with that there we go now i can see it stop you're way off kilter you had it just on this side difficult yeah that's not easy it's definitely not easy uh let's try the back side now go to the side okay and let's try and see if that helps you to yeah maybe you're going to maybe that will be easier for you i'm going to keep my finger here you see you've got to have a lot of tilt right you got to go more than that just to be safe okay you go ahead let's see if this will work that's good slow down take it easy not as easy maybe because it's getting further away from me okay well here how about this let's see here you can take it like this right you can do this way yeah we don't have to do this or this we can go this way so again this is what you're going to do you're not going to rest the pad and let it direct you're going to do all the work yourself you're going to twist and hold see [Music] and if you want to start it i'm limiting the rotation there obviously high speed no no low speed not a problem if it starts rotating too much just drag your hand right through your finger there you go you see that yeah i'm completely holding the machine see that i can go nice and slow i can move um this is an option too but you really gotta watch this is really dangerous so do a couple more passes and then we're gonna move on to something else but that's something you should practice on a front fender you know how shape they are these days they're so contoured to be a good one to get one from the junkyard or the body shop so i'm going to be doing this kind of motion yes and i'll keep this here so you're going to watch there let's go down your arm speed a little bit yeah there you go because we're moving so slow and so soft it's gonna take a while to cut come back my way slow down take it easy you can add a little more pressure drop it down a little bit yeah bump your speed a little bit up and then drop a little drop the machine down a little bit you can wiggle a little bit more you can teeter-totter a little bit more to get more of that panel done or that that's this this panel this part stops difficult yeah if you had to do that for a while you'd say man the next machine i'm getting something with three inches right so now let's just let's just do that let's see how much easier that is probably a lot easier yeah that is uh here let me get the finishing disc on that's on make sure i'm not twisted up how important is cable management there very yeah pull the whole thing down and the lights over and everything not that's happened to you ever happens to me small pad takes very little liquid hold that prime it up speed start there slow range okay what range are you in what speed well i just started out on a one to six i'm just going to i'm going to assume with the microfiber and all this cushioning it's not going to have a lot of rotation initially so um yeah there we go [Applause] that's perfect i can even go slower but i want to work on just now is for pad drag so much better nervous i can scale up i can run any direction i want to now you come over here and you try all right i know you've used the the smaller uh system before so it's we don't need a lot of time on it the switch is here oh yeah this kind of rocks figure that out getting it push on the back there you go oh you got it now you can either go back and forth or you can scallop still you can still do half and half slow down you got to slow it slow down there you go watch your back you're already hitting that back you still can tilt here okay okay relax it's okay we're gonna oh no give me some more tilt this back is hitting the back there you go a little more tilt yeah bring your back hand up there you go there you go okay stop and lift i want to show you hard to see it i think we're going to add a little polish just so we can see what's what it's doing not so concerned about defect removal this looks like this one's tinted or single stage um what the paint this oh i don't know this is a factory add-on so who knows what well this is an indicator right there yeah i don't know what they do yeah something different for their boltons so look what you had last time was slow down think you're looking at this edge and you're thinking of this edge okay and so i think in in this last case you were not enough tilt you need to come in here again being aware that this is going to hit so it's okay to have tilt you just control the pressure right we're holding it sorry too much speed start out start at one okay let's just do that for the time being see there look at that back see there completely off completely off i can continue to do that just fine and how do you know check the pattern up down up down up down move it away look completely avoiding it now this one obviously it's going to take a long time to get the work done right here but it just takes a moment to damage it so it's okay you can now once you know the way you're going to approach this panel now you can bump up and start getting some work done right i use my fingers a lot you see my fingers yeah i'm making sure that i'm not going to hit paint is that a good idea i don't know i still have my fingers do better with gloves but i've done that for years to help slow the rotation doesn't hurt and i know that i'm not touching it yes you could also apply a piece of tape but if we're trying to final polish which we are yeah if you hit that tape this abrasive takes off some of the uppermost portion of the tape transfers into the pad and now you're scouring and this is pretty solid i think this is a different paint than this it should be uh so let's wipe that clean that up let's move on to something else okay that's the stuff you'll have to practice absolutely yes look at that it's hard to wipe isn't it that's an indicator that we're cutting a lot of paint because what happens is interesting is that when you get difficult wipe off because i get those calls a lot like this this i've been doing this buffing and this pain man it's just so hard to wipe off it doesn't usually happen well it's coming off rapidly right let's do this um no just grab the same polish you're using apply a little bit to that towel and yeah just or an applicator and just rub it on there and it'll take it right off cool yeah what happens is interesting in that we're using all kinds of hard particles there's a lot of there's liquid ingredients and there's solid ingredients yeah in about typical buffing liquid right some of them are in there to actually cut paint some are in there to control to make sure that the emulsion stays together some is made to have absorbency all kinds of things anyway a lot of hard particle in there you start to polish and you're cutting away paint and now you've got more hard particle and eventually your pad instead of being soft and fluffy is now loaded with hard particulate to the point you now have a hard barrier you have this layered and tiny hard pieces of material they're not any they're just tiny they're still just as hard now assume this is fully loaded with hard material in in the meantime we just were doing a test showing how you get expansion and malleability this is warming up and becoming softer and softer and softer you have now a hard surface a soft surface and you have remnants of paint and abrasive rolling around under force what's going to happen it can't even get in here it's fully loaded it's going to go down there and stick you're knocking it in there it's like you're kicking rocks and mud and just going oh interesting huh so when someone gets a liquid that they're used to and it normally is easy to wipe off but on a certain paint system it's difficult it's a good indicator that you're cutting a lot of paint away or it's unusually dry so increase your liquid or use that quantity of liquid for less time in a smaller area change one of those parameters to solve that problem good okay at this point we've compounded and polished uh most if not all of this side wrapped around here then we got to the tail light which i think is an interesting place to stop and have a bit of a conversation so the tail light is made of plastic of course we're going to talk about that and there's a little bit of a ridge or a ledge or whatever you want to call it so a random orbital with a large stroke may not be ideal here it's not it does that karate chopping action right as it orbits around it it can hit that that fender and it's also not efficient that polishing that edge as it's swinging around it's only polishing that very outer edge some of the time now we talked about that in an earlier episode where you know it's not as efficient at that outer edge and you know we talked about cutting the pads all that kind of stuff but it's coming to play right now yeah so we're going to transition to the best machine for that for strategic polishing the rotary and i'm going to tape this uh portion of the paint as we mentioned before i'd like to tape immediately before i polish and then remove it immediately wait a second then what did you do as well oh you're doing things so fast the camera well that's just an old trick that the body shop guys have done for years is just take some of the tack away because if you have any lint this one probably doesn't it's just a habit right it won't stick as much and come off easier because i don't need it to last a long time i just need it to protect in case i hit the pad against it on that note over there there was a guy i can't remember your name but you emailed me and you kept saying that every time i pull the tape off i'm ripping the paint off of a front spoiler or something like that there's a trick there you go there's the kevin brown right there something that's been done a lot a long time okay so i'm gonna go ahead and show meredith a very brief process and then she's going to replicate it okay and so obviously we need very little polish for a very little pad and talk about if you were to hit this tape or you hit the glass or you hit the plastic or you hit the rubber what is that going to do well if since we're working on plastic you want to keep in mind different material than the paint and there is plastic being removed as we polish just like paint so we have plastic residue so keep that in mind if you happen to be doing an entire polishing session that you're polishing paint and then you migrate from there and go i think i'll just knock out that that plastic lens when you come back to the paint you could very likely have you will have plastic residue in your compound stuck to your pad so it's best to say well i'm going to just use a dedicated pad for plastics yeah stick to paint paint stick the plastic plastic and if you do happen to hit tape or rubber you kind of have to blow it out not start over again but you're going to have contaminants in it yeah that's right the tape too every other material rubber and rubber is the big one yeah it taped rubber to protect the rubber from getting burned of course but that transfers all kinds of ingredients onto the edge of your pad it's definitely contamination that's hard to remove by just blowing out right so show us how you're going to prime that okay so this one's very easy i'm just going to use the tiniest of droplet and let it spread itself for the most part and that hasn't been primed right no that's a brand new pad brand new pad show that to the camera real fast this side to rob ryan yep okay there we go yeah there's barely anything there yep okay so i'm gonna let it set it down we're on a low speed and again meredith we're gonna do what we talked about before we're going to find a speed that lets the pad glide along smoothly and we're going to use that speed unless we know why we're going up or down in other words we want a reason why would i add speed or take it away and we'll talk about that because we're going to go from this small pad system to a larger pad on the quarter panel okay and watch his fingerprints now watch this watch it this is what this is some of the things that makes the job easier see the finger there i i am going to use my finger as a guide and i'm so i've got good control up and down in and out left and right you see that and now i can start here if i wanted to and come in and i can move in like we talked about i can tilt i can do all those things i can just drag i don't see there we go so you have a little tilt going right now yeah same ideas apply i want to be aware that i'm i've got an edge here and i've got an edge here you're gonna have a better shot over my shoulder right put another drop right there i think what we're gonna do in this case is just put a tiny drop there that's good and we're just going to apply it i don't do this on paint too much because i don't like it sitting there swelling the paint but in this case i'll move out of the way you can get close okay and that's a lot so i'm going to and that's going to let my fingers slide too there we go so let's see here we go right now you can't see it but my knuckle my pinky is sliding across this part so i'm always got something to help stabilize that pad better angle for me would be here i can really see that but i can't get the stability i want so i'm gonna go back get like this level right there you go you see where my end of the machine is where's the back of the machine meredith completely off of the tail light no no the back of the actual machine right up against your chest yep i'm using the body to help stabilize it so it doesn't bounce around it's a trick and you'll see that a lot with old school professional detailers where they're leaning on things and they're securing themselves and they're they're trying to make it so that this torquey motion isn't steering them around it really does help even in this small area so something like that see that just a natural it's just a natural to touch something and figure out where to stabilize see how that is and this is actually a great way if somebody wants to learn the rotary you start out with very small pads and low speeds and you learn look at that see i didn't i wanted to show you but when you get used to this you try you start to think of the edges and you start to think well if i come in at this edge and grab it it bites right it's steering me so i'm here i'm tilting you see that i'm rolling off the edge always rolling off the edge i try to say here's the center line of the tool that point is the center i want to set i want to line that up if i have to roll off of an edge i want to lay that down on the center line and tilt you see that and you can look at this put another droplet there i'll show you what i'm talking about what you can look for as you teach yourself to rotary polish use an abundance of liquid and look for the pattern can you get a close-up of that and see the the lines of where the buffing pad slid and it's coming out like that what if i was incorrectly polishing it i was gonna say you see that coming i'm hitting everywhere i'm heading on and off there no control here you see the way it'll start over there if i'm wrong you can see the way it's coming up and curving i want to come off i want to slide off so it's not knocking biting you did that in one of the earlier videos you should so start up here center line center tilt and you can see the line give me another dab meredith please i want to see the whitish emulsion so it'll show the pattern start tilt oh a little more see curve straight off straight off not biting okay so you keep that in mind and you go a little faster you learn to transition just as you go you're you're tilting or you're moving the machine it's not so hard it just takes a little bit of practice so for that reason use a small pad use a a polish design to move paint slowly and you won't get in any trouble and then when you get down to these areas here again even if it is a tiny pad with with a product that removes paint or plastic slowly you still want to be at the level of the pad i want to be able to see right here so if i want to and this is so controlled because it's small i can tilt go back and forth like we were talking about it's not always easy to do or safe to do or i can do what we showed you before up and down and move right over now right now you wouldn't think so we've got a tremendous amount of plastic residue yeah so i'm gonna knock off the oxidized plastic really quick and blow this pad out and then let you try okay so you're doing like a little miniature shock and all here so to speak yeah yeah i'm cutting off the oxidation and little water spots right because one of the downsides of having a the smaller pad is that it just fills up immediately loading yeah you don't think about it but it's in seconds yeah if you look on the top here the top already looked better because he was actually doing that and if you look at the side you see it's still got swirls in it because you just you kind of just try to take off we're going to use an excess of polish for you just so it feels so it glides along and we're not going to worry about defects right now they're coming out really easy anyway so prime with your glove your gloved hand and then let's just give me another dab and just let's just smear it so that we have some lubricity on the surface so wherever you decide you want to polish that's fine with me i'm just going to help guide you along where do you want to start oh i just do this okay let's start there because that's and we'll transition and i might reach in there and grab and if i tell you to stop exactly the way i just let off the trigger because you might be at an angle i want to show something or something like that i might grab it and help you too okay okay the way i'm just trying to get her right now the fingers are fine you're already you want to tilt you're going to start flat so go ahead and fire it up and minus it down again start out here now just touch it move back see your pattern okay you're square you're getting a full circle see that yep now do it again good now watch when you tilt you can see the pattern if you tilt move in you see that about a third of the pad so all that polishing energy now focus now just go ahead and start going i'm going to be quiet for a minute and do what you think you want to do i'm just going to watch for edges and stops look at your look at the width it's smaller than the diameter of the pad so that tells you only a portion is touching right so if it's the center that's an issue i'd rather have you only have a portion of the outer edge that way you have consistency because if you use the center can you get that shot tremendous amount of pressure right where it's touching and it progressively gets less as you go out there and in bigger systems or heavier pads or higher speeds this pad will start to flutter and bounce and scour and cause control issues so better to say well yeah i can only have so much touching but if i do that we're really putting a lot of energy there in heat so better to just have a portion bring it in and use that portion and and then curve your hands to match that you see you you you mimic the shape by moving yes there you go back hand is adjusting the front one just supporting getting a little chatter yeah a little bit it's loading up a little bit with the compound and now tell me what happens when i go from one does it feel more comfortable or is it what's happening actually feels pretty good right okay so what happened just another dynamic with speed as you drop speed we talked about earlier you increase pad drag however the pad becomes more soft and supple more like it is at rest so if it's a soft pliable pad at very low speed it remains a soft pliable pad you bump speed up there's less time for it to make an adjustment it's like hitting a speed bump at five miles an hour where you go over the speed bump and the tire sidewall has time to flex and bend versus 80 miles an hour you hit it so fast you blow the tires then the rims break the suspension okay stop let's go ahead and let me blow that out and we're going to have you do up here okay what do you think larry i think that's pretty cool i think that's pretty cool i've been watching kevin do this for i don't know 10 years or something every time i watch him it's still spectacular even though i've seen the show 50 times it's great and even though we were talking and we were actually getting work done it actually it looks a lot better already yeah from here it's really really nice like new compared to this one did you trade these out okay now try to not think about it too much polish larry thank you so just hurry up don't think too much about getting work done just think about two things one don't bite into that that that tape and two get your hand where you can somehow slide along and support this thing i'm gonna make this slippery so figure out where you can use there you go that's perfect that's a good way to do that as well okay go ahead that's fine is he a genius or am i losing my mind isn't this so fun to watch on camera this is like my favorite scene i've ever done go over there and check him out yeah isn't that nice yeah it feels good feels good that way you don't have to worry too much about this outer edge that way now do it the way you did first go without scalping seems good but you're having a more difficult time aren't you keeping that line and you're not thinking about this good thing you do have a good tilt though now do it that way the scalping is a lot more comfortable way more comfortable more controllable you're going to get less problems that when you're just barely tapping the tape too that's perfect because that part of the pad is not going to for the most part touch the lens okay good very good so go ahead and just take uh take about a minute and just start polishing i want we haven't even touched that area so keep in mind the things we talked do you want me to i'm going to throw some tape here are you done up here um i think it's because let's pull the tape if you are i would say i want it out of there yeah okay i'm gonna come behind you here and i'm gonna you want to use that one go ahead have at it oops oopsie daisy whoops do you think you i'm going to cover that one i don't even want to risk it that little bump there would take about a micro second and the paint would be gone totally these panels don't fit perfectly either so it probably is a little bit raised that's from that subwoofers i wear a silicone fix to your fingers when you're wearing glasses there you go tuck that in there there cool okay let me know if you need more polish it starts if it starts to chatter bounce and hop it indicates that you're you're loaded with plastic residue or your polish is completely dried up or the pad's loaded yeah pad's loaded or your just say the word and i'll all right is it gliding along fine feels good okay that's the right speed yep there you go and move your head to see right at the edge right as you get lower you're gonna have to sit down or and then keep in mind there you go stop okay right there what's gonna happen the machine again you gotta keep in mind so that's a good idea yeah it's hard to have your hand there but but protect back here but keep that in mind because it can it can hit right on bigger machines you're gonna hit yeah or your your cord is gonna drag if it's not cordless but i noticed that you started to move down and you tilted more as you came down because you can't you can't see that now where this was the critical areas down here is the critical so now you come down and you figure out do i want to adjust my machine like this it's not reasonable unless you have your hand protecting it right maybe i need to come at it you can do that and definitely again like we talked about you can start here out here and bring it in and you can reverse it seems very odd but look at what i'm supporting with my knuckles and my finger it's it's completely in control to use the back side of that pad it's very rare that you do but you know obviously you can come over here and turn the machine like that right get it out of the way now i can see everything and i can i've got support right here this is the best way see that so you try that we'll put a little polish and again we should probably clean that but just for the sake of teaching there you go start out away are you are you able to see it okay yeah i think so you can go a little flatter the pad will will flex up a bit nope get your eyes down you you're not t you're not hitting here get your eyes down to here there you go okay can you rest a hand on this to give you support let's see oh stop let's see how did i do that can you get you need to get i probably need to just you're positioning we're like right yeah exactly and then get your hand to support you you see that and then you've got great control so move where i am i'm probably blocking you i'll come around your way get totally comfortable so that's the most important thing is that better it feels better yeah and get your hand against the panel start away from it if you want to there you go you keep going i'm going to show you curve come up come over curve see that we're getting in good contact all the way down that way let's go back the other way see that the top of the pad is not touching that's okay you've got to have that curve right okay you go ahead i'm gonna you got it get your eyes down when you get to the bottom keep going i'm gonna turn turn see that yeah okay next purchase no more amplifiers get yourself a little lift huh your taillights okay that's good all right yeah okay we're transitioning from the small rotary to a larger size this is a five inch pad and we're going to use the time tested the industry standard been around for decades wool it's a newer wool pad and it's a it's a soft very very fine wool so it'll be comfortable i want to use the wool first not to show you the rate of cut just to show you how it feels and then we're going to switch to foam and see how that feels so our goal is to see how these two feel and i'm going to run this on the slowest speed and if it's grabbing and dripping and steering then we'll change it up but i don't i'm not concerned about cutting so i'm just going to prime this again sorry that i don't have my glove on because i was taping i'm actually putting tape on it's difficult but there's i don't want to put too much polish on this because wool is not so great at grabbing and holding onto it like microfiber so put too much we'll be wearing it right okay okay so we're on speed one okay which is a very low speed and we're gonna do an up and down like i showed you before okay so that's how fast we're gonna go it's okay to come out here and then drop in come up same exact principles apply to this machine as the random orbital i can tell you right now that because we are tilting it's concentrating the energy tremendously it's going to cut a lot quicker yeah now plus is cuts a lot quicker negative cuts a lot quicker right also because we're not generally using the entirety of the pad why because as you do it wants to go where it wants to go depending on the panel you see that i'm not i'm not even causing it so i'm just tilting so we have to use kilt for control so you tilt to the right just tilt that way you tilt down it's gonna it's gonna change direction on you for us right now just to get the feel of this i want you to drop in a little bit of tilt watch that edge come down move over nice this rate of feed okay okay and it's okay to go up to that edge because like you learn here i'm watching my curve and it's right there if it was if i was tilted too much we could see it and it would be obviously coming right down so you watch the pattern that the machine puts out to determine exactly what your what your pad's doing a little more polished just to show that on the camera so see there curve i'm going to tilt to the left see there yes there there there obvious i was on this there there okay so if i'm here i want do not want to be digging if i have to be in an odd area where i'm on an edge and have to roll off it i want to roll off see that yeah shooting off and up not biting in okay so i'm gonna keep it running and i'll i'm gonna add a little polish to the surface just for slip you're gonna be aware of the bottom but i'm gonna watch the bottom okay and i want you to go maybe from here to here just doing the skeleton so go ahead you're going to watch this feel it you feel it does that feel all controllable uh yeah it's okay take a minute to get used to it okay now you watch out nope get a little tilt like that there we go down over very machine like you know not gradually move it just okay i'm i'm shortening up so i know there's a curve here okay stop it takes some getting used to one this is different i have never used one well come over here a little bit this is why um which machine is better which one is the best for finishing which one's the fastest cutting if they were all equally capable one day we have a magic pad and liquid system that you can put on any machine and you get an equal result this is still the most difficult to master because of its capabilities to focus all the polishing energy on a very small area and and the torque action the way it steers you the steering action and the ability to focus is great uh but it's also difficult to master so now you know what that felt like we're using a lot of foam these days and unbeknownst to many people they assume that foam is a cooler running pad versus wool that's not true in most cases this this actually is like using an eraser it's got tremendous amount of grab and as the pad squishes it it compresses the pores and becomes more concentrated it starts to steer you around so same thing see that bounce yeah isn't that crazy do you need to bump your feet up a little bit or no no look at the chatter inbounds feels pretty good right now okay we got a lot of tilt so let's go flat first class okay that's okay come this way and curve with the panel boom but it's a lot different isn't it it is a lot different you continue to come this way i'll watch the bottom you're good you're good a little more when you come with that top come a little more okay now you can also get more rapid right you can do that quicker action it gives you more slipperiness right you go ahead and do that you feel it yep [Music] and of course if you if you come well you can go left to right but again you have more control with both arms straight up and down okay you can stop because we're getting a lot of chatter and bouncers the compounds drying up but this is gonna take a long time to master in the larger sizes and and it's definitely more dangerous to do that on a car so you want to use something like a test code or a fender to get become exceptionally good with this but do you want to become exceptionally good with this for this area if you can get the same job done with the random orbital or gear driven and it's comfortable and easier to learn we have all the proper backing plates pads liquids you know systems designed around them then do that right it doesn't make you better or worse because you don't own this machine or that one or don't know how to utilize this machine or that one it's whatever you're comfortable with yeah you can be exceptionally good just using one or two things and turn out world-class work sure so that's about it for this part of the rotary i know you got to get going so meredith we finished up uh with your little section here give me some thoughts some feedback what did you think of the machines um it was really interesting seeing all the different types of machines that you actually have to use on a car surface you know which is going to go at it with one type for every single panel or piece of you know tail light or headlight that you're working on um so personally um i enjoyed working with the cordless random orbitals i think we all did it was really fun you don't want to worry about the cord exactly so that's like one less thing to worry about especially when you're a novice like me because i you know of course i'm worried about damaging the paint you know that's my main priority sure it's your car yeah exactly but throwing a cord over your shoulder is another thing to worry about right and then the rotary how would you feel comfortable i know that's a little challenging but it was the first time i used one so um definitely need a lot more practice on that before i would feel comfortable using on a car again well we have a couple of hours kevin and i are going to finish this up i know you have a life it's sunday night at seven o'clock or whatever it is we're gonna work through the night get this car perfect i know you have work tomorrow and got things to do so as always thank you for letting us use the shop and the car very cool and uh hope you enjoyed and learned some stuff cool thanks larry all righty good enough there [Applause] this is when my bad knee comes into shape it's killing me that's why i have that down that jack i lift the car up so i can be right here with it this is like an awkward place and that's all my weight's going on my good knee and this is my bad but that's not here nor there okay if we talk a lot does the work go faster just checking we're getting made fun of already what's that i am using tools i am using a polish and i'm using a microfiber finishing dip larry's using a cutting disc and a different machine so this goes to show that he's using his favorite setup i'm using mine and we'll get a very similar result i am doing a quick slow down i'm loading up a lot of paint but i'm going to clean that in a minute i expect a little bit of scouring but i want to knock out this first section all right so on the um the forums and whatnot or whatever on the internet there is uh you know a thing going around where people are saying hey on that last pass that beautification pass liftoff and sort of feather you know that's been around for as long as i can remember polishing and not just in random orbital but rotary and it sounds really good but with with super refined abrasive loaded the compounds let's talk about that non-diminishing abrasive they take the most refined abrasive they they can locate put it into a compound spend two years designing this compound uh or polish and we have microfibers that are you know best in the world foam pads we have the best of everything and then we dial in a procedure i spend time figuring out how much speed pressure tilt all those type of things but if i don't lighten up at the end i'm not getting a great result right do you mow your lawn and then in the last few passes bump it up a couple notches do you what this is really funny well i'm just saying at the racetrack if you could adjust your tire pressure on the last couple laps like i got to catch this guy i'm in the lead or we're side by side i know what i'm going to do to get the best out of this i'm going to drop my tire pressure okay and the last lap we're dialing in a procedure the products are designed to be highly consistent if your procedure delivers consistent results why would you change it at the end it does sound like it's reasonable would you say would you sand with 3000 grit or 5000 grit and then lighten up on the last few passes okay it's not an exact analogy but it's similar in where if if i took this pad primed it blew out all the excess there's still going to be some liquid with abrasive grains stuck to the microfiber or the foam it's consistently applied okay when i turn on the machine they're stuck in place they're going to move at the exact same rate in motion as the machine just like a sanding disc right why would i then not lighten up on the sanding disc well do you think it's like old mentality old thought process from diminishing abrasives well it never went away it could be but the other problem is is let's say you do lighten up on the last few passes and you unload the pad number one if you if you have the pad planted and then you lighten up it's unplanted now your speed jumps up okay sure now so what happened with this speeder you're not like squeegeeing anymore right and then you if you have a random orbital and the backing plate doesn't fully support the pad which a lot of them don't now you've got change of speed we've shown that how the patterns change with speed and pressure that's all gone out the window that's changed and now anything that was stuck to these strings that are not in complete contact or running fast are now stuck and dragging and scouring just basically throwing like a curveball in the last second of your polish it sounds like the right thing to do but it's really not and i haven't been in a situation where i thought wow i really wish i would have lifted up on the last few passes and that's what i try to do with my entire polishing philosophy is to say do i need this product do i need this machine have i sat behind the wheel of a 21 and thought man i sure wish i had a 15 right now if i did then i would get one but if i'm happy with the 21 in this size pad i'm going to stick with it i've never had that happen do you understand where i'm going is that if there's a reason or an actual reason like wow i noticed the difference and i think if you're doing proper procedure these days with our liquids our pads our machines i don't think that is something you need to do and i think it will be detrimental yeah so does that answer it that answers that question in a nutshell in a nutshell okay get to work huh i'm getting yelled at for talking did you notice before i put my finger on there i didn't want to forget where i see little scratches where i have to go and get them later just kind of helps me it's sort of like a sticky note you know what i'm saying i'll put a little sticky note there just remember right now i got to tilt up there's one little scratch i want to go after we're after that guy not exactly a fancy method but it helps me remember like a little spot right there all right and since i'm changing pads on that same top topic let's assume that i did lift up and there was some abrasives that were stuck in the pad but now they unload at the last second and it was a diminishing abrasive you had a diminishing brace that was stuck in the pad not going anywhere wasn't going to do anything and then you lift up and now it momentarily adjusts and comes out of place that's not diminished you see what i mean you'd have a perfectly polished finish right at the end sparkly new and i've had that i remember that now that i know what is happening right i gotta pull this bad boy up this thing's filling up fast yeah i'm just running uh three pads i'm just gonna then i'll blow them all out yeah cheater yeah i know oh another thing is you're blowing out the pad you see the tip right here you don't want the tip to touch just like i did right there because now i just put a little streak right there i just put a little bit of rubber that's on the end of this in here sort of like hitting a you know the rubber on the scene between the windows or whatever so now i got to clean this out again that mark right there is from see that shininess right there so just don't be careless with that just turn it on you know and if you're sometimes i like to start the spin not exactly sure if that does anything but my habit nothing else is coming out nice and clean good to go good to go sully no this is challenging for long-legged people [Music] some reverse scalloping right now well scalloping up here now i'm scalloping with this side of the pad tilt it up i'll go in clean it up a little bit you know what i'm gonna do i forgot i'm gonna do a 50 50 shot too everybody loves the 50 50 a shot [Music] listen up it's a 60 40 shot but it'll work hi kevin tell me a little bit about this water spritzing that you do okay i'll do that uh in just a second but you generally will water spritz for two reasons one to create a drag well it's the re when you water splits you create a connection or drag between the pad and the paint so i could go ahead and start i could apply a compound or a polish in abundance start to polish and something like a microfiber pad is really good at grabbing and holding on to the abrasives they're fresh there's plenty there but it's locked onto the pad i can spray water and pull that product right back out of the pad onto the paint surface so i can reuse that product so it's actually opposite of what people would think hey i'm spraying water diluting it no you're not and and what's interesting too is you know in in the old way of thinking is that people will tell you hey you need to polish until the abrasives break down in the old way the diminishing abrasives sure and how do i know that how do i know to polish until how do i know that i polish and the abrasives have broken down well it'll look oily and the surface will become clear right in in a way it's saying you will be able to know that the big abrasives have broken down so fine now that you can see through them or they're not blocking really that's that doesn't that's not sensible in the way you prove that out is simply take a bottle of water spray go across and wow all the all the broken down abrasive is right back on the surface so it's not breaking down and the oiliness is not indicating that the particles are so fine you can see through it's an emulsion break the emulsion is all of the different liquid ingredients all of the hard particle ingredients have separated so some of it has gone into the pad some of the things have evaporated some things have dusted away right so by spritzing it it releases what's in the pad back on right so you start out with an emulsion you know it looks creamy you got the let's say oil water solvents abrasives buffering agents things that help keep things connected or from dusting away all these things are mixed together and it looks kind of like mayonnaise consistency or milky and it's white and as you polish the polishing action breaks everything apart now we still have the same exact ingredients but they're not combined together anymore they've been broken apart abrasives here water here solvents here right it's an emulsion break i polish i polish it goes clear i know from experience the abrasive is just fine it's just stuck to the pad i grab my water i spritz pull that those remnants out of the pad it doesn't it doesn't reinvigorate and make an emulsion again it just takes what's in the pad off of the pad onto the surface and it can affect the cut it can increase the cut which is totally counter intuitive right it can increase the cut which can also increase scouring it can change the the characteristic of a pad as an example if you're using a rotary polisher and you have long wool strings and you water spritz every time you water spritz depending on the wool if it's cotton or it's nylon or polyester or wool they have different absorbency rates so if you get a wool pad a wolf or a string pad that has a lot of absorbency when it gets wet and you're spinning at a high speed the fibers start to get wet and then they stretch and they pack tighter and tighter and tighter and more compacted now what was once a soft fluffy contour contourable pad becomes condensed and dense and tight and that thing will just level yeah it'll hop if it's loaded up but it can also really level so plus is that they can really level if that's what you want and cut rapidly the drawback is going to leave a lot of string marks possibly and chatter and hop and bounce so there's always a plus and a minus yeah but yeah water spritzing is really good for a lot of things but a lot of times it's being used improperly and someone thinks well i'll just add water and it'll take the haze away because i heard that on the internet i read your articles it's like well you didn't dice decipher what i was saying because it will cause scouring in that situation the other reason you would water spritz is that you are using such a small quantity of liquid let's say a polish let's say i'm working on the most sensitive haze prone paint and i've found out that by using too much polish it's giving me too much cut so i really just want the the liquid emulsion of the polish not the abrasives yeah because i want i want the pad to slip and not bite right i called you years ago when i was doing that porsche i basically went from a percentage down basically to water right i just started boxing with water so there's times if you happen to use such a diminutive size of of polish i mean we're talking just the tiniest droplet and we're we're we're preaching single one-way passes yeah okay that's pretty small that is never going to transfer across the entirety of this pad in one single one-way pass right right so obviously we don't do that very often we do sometimes use that quantity or weigh less in some water and shake it up and we're spreading it but if if we were using just you know just i'd say hey just you know the the proverbial pea-sized drop yeah okay cut that in a quarter a fourth of a piece size drop and take that quantity and put some at 12 o'clock two o'clock four six eight ten at the outer edge of the pad because we're going to do one pass and we have no time for that stuff to migrate outward right right i want you to water spritz because or or spritz the pad because that's going to help spread that in that singular one-way pass so on one hand we use water spritzing when you have an abundance of abrasive in your pad to pull it back out or just tighten strings up on the other hand the other extreme we use it because we're going to be short cycling with a diminutive amount of polish and we need it to spread rapidly it's interesting yeah that is that is huge but there are two entirely different reasons to do that so if you happen to be chasing your tail final polishing but you're using a regular quantity of polish and then you water spritz you've just ramped up the cut you've just changed the characteristics of the polish as it was designed to work right you've just changed you made it made it worse so don't water spritz as an automatic use it you should be using it when you know why you're using it don't just assume that's just a normal thing that you do know why you're doing it because it's not a normal thing you don't normally have to do that right the the liquids we're using the pads we're using the systems are using they're designed to do certain things and you are really changing what they were designed to do by introducing a water spritz right so i'm not it seems like i'm the guy says don't do anything that's orthodox no i'm saying do everything orthodox but consider these things that we've found out when the paint is not playing right when the paint's really soft or when there's something weird when the paint's telling you something funky it doesn't work do what the system says to do first if it's not working for you let's make small incremental adjustments and go to if you have to go to the extremes we have that available we know lots and lots of liquid the little liquid water there's all these little variants that you can use yep fascinating all right back to work yep back to work all right a few minutes ago i was working with kevin and he grabbed my hand as i was polishing because i was having some issues doing it and i think i i just had like sort of an aha moment it's getting late as you can probably imagine working on this for a while and i want to describe something and write something down but i'm sort of i don't know whatever reenacting a little bit of what we just did off camera which was real so i started polishing this section i'm having a little bit of issue here and so basically what i'm doing is tilting and then going flat tilting going flat tilting and and that concept was wrong uh because i didn't notice something until you explained it to me so polish the weight show me that what you were doing before and then show me what you're doing and then i want you to give it to me and then grab my hand and i want to explain something so i am there's a lot of polish on here right now right i just loaded it a bit and i'm gonna coming up and i'm pressing down contouring up down so what i was doing was scalloping scalloping scalloping but i wasn't tilting enough so give me the polisher and so when you were when you handed it to me now grab my hands when you were doing that with me was i thought that you were making me tilt too much too far when i'm saying okay it's kevin brown i'm sure there's a logic here and i started tilting more as opposed i was basically before i was going uh scallop and then flat gallop show me i was doing like this [Applause] you're coming in okay you're coming in and then it's for see that look at that see that come under right you're you're dragging and then you come in you're trying to tilt and look at it's it's it's twisty bouncy it's inconsistent but then when i was coming off i wasn't going into the into the what we're doing is let's just get it up there right and then drag yeah i felt as if you were keeping the nose of the machine going down too far and then when it started to work i realized okay here's what i did i'm this if you look at the where where ryan is if you look at the slope of the door are you getting that yeah you see this so if you look at it here i i drew it on uh you know on a piece of paper does that make sense are you getting that yes okay so it's on my little sketch pad basically in this face i'm gonna get the i'll get the pad all right so if this is the door right here i was going in it's a little bit extreme of course i was going in and tilting down can you see me here sorry ryan i want to ryan kevin's six yeah as i was going in this direction i was tilting in tilting in and getting this but i started yeah but i was going flat here so i was missing this section yeah right in here yeah and so when i was feeling when kevin put his hand on me before off camera and we just reenacted it now i felt like uh like you were pushing me too hard going but you were coming in and this thing is swinging and digging and digging and pushing you're moving this way and you're and it's digging well we reversed that and said hey move it this way and it's not digging right and then you you seem to have more downward pressure for longer where i was coming out of the scallop earlier i was going flatter quicker you we need to have consistency of pressure yeah he's i'm exaggerating he was going like this with the nose i'm exaggerating it i was going in and then flat yeah in and then he's going like this just there and start there but you can't just on these type of machines you can't just go oh because it starts to ramp up speed and spin so you have to get it up there and then start your action right versus this bye and it's spinning and wiggling and bouncing trying to throw the pad off and you crash land at 50 or you know rotation that's that's not good so the goal for us was to get it up there and then start to work on the way down right so my my aha moment or my aha moment over here was i have to look at the panel as it is right now on the side i have to look at it this way visually you know in my mind to think hey how am i going to see horizontally yeah so like i've taken the door like this like this door not going in my mind and now i know if i see these ridges because you were saying like i didn't even realize how voluptuous we have so many shadows in here right i i put lighting and then you said put your head against the thing i'm like oh my gosh i didn't i mean i knew this little point obviously here's the telltale so here's how you can discern if you have the pad planted and we always talk about the pad planner but i'm saying if you know you've got to have if you have a six inch pad and a 21 millimeter throw that's almost seven inch pattern we should see if it was perfect consistent a seven inch width of polishing if we don't i shouldn't show it wrong again okay i can outline this look at that it's missing right in there see that yeah so we have to go in there and say okay get it up there you see that you see the nose like this like it's already better if the nose if this was the if this was the flatness of the path this is what i'm what i'm learning here and that's a wicked child flatness of the pad he's going in like this right and then coming back down it's like this this i wish we could draw it i didn't even think about that until you just said that see i was going in like this flat because i didn't even realize there was a bump you were coming in and then trying to scallop but you can't scout because boom you're hitting you're coming in and you're trying to scallop you can't because this pat looked you're coming in and you knew you had to move right so you were trying to keep it on there and move but you can't so i'm saying so the scallop is going down yeah let's get it up and reverse scallop so let's get it up there now that that's that's the part where i was feeling i was feeling you do that i'm going what the heck is he doing right now trying to do the least amount of impact on the way up you know i could work on them i don't want to take too much paint away but see i'm rolling over just the pads i'm swinging [Music] [Music] pattern's really good and and then you maybe think more about the cushioning of the pad like the the more cushion you have the more you can kind of contour to this voluptuous so to me the bottom line is if i look at this if i my first thing i should do is look at the door from the side and kind of visually take this door and go and flip it for me just mentally flip it sideways and go like hey how flat exactly and then i can say okay how am i going to attack this because i honestly i just went and i dropped my bags like you know the saying drop my bags i want to attack it i'm doing it i didn't realize that right from here to here is convex yes the cave is in no concave is in here but in from here to here it's convex it pops back out yeah we always get good results on this because it's pressurizing right right through here i was killing it yeah everything's planted properly you're very easy to keep the same pressure here here here here that's when you get in these areas that you don't you have always we always have scours and missed up and scratches in there and we think well let's just go to a smaller pad which we could do but you and i know that it's very difficult to to mimic or or replicate the power and the cutting speed of a large stroke machine with a large pad and the other thing is yes with the larger stroke machine you can get a taller pad that's more squishy and even so what if it absorbs five or six orbits of the orbit diameter you still got 15 or 14 or 13. you put this on the same pad on an eight millimeter throw machine and it absorbs six right you got an out of two now you're buzzing doing nothing and that's what that's what the machines have that uh reputation of oh it just buzzes and creates haze it doesn't do anything it doesn't sit there and buzz while the pad was too tall or too wide too cushiony but we can get away with a lot with these in these kind of situations and we don't need to have a lot of speed to get a good cut total control so for me you know we've been doing this for a couple of hours we got the hood to do and then we're going to call it it's been multiple days of detailing but a long time on this car i'm excited it just i don't even know how to put into words i guess i'm getting a little bit tired here but when you grabbed my hand uh that was like a huge it's like a going with an instructor like you can be driving forever but like you bring an instructor and you're like oh my god i didn't even think of it this way and for whatever reason i'll never forget you grabbing at me thinking thinking about when you were grabbing it like what the heck is he doing like why are you pushing my nose of the machine why are you pushing my nose i was fighting yeah and i'm like i'm like why are you pushing my nose down like really you can do this gently like i just did yeah and get it up there it's because i was fighting you because my brain was like you were which is exactly what i'm was looking for as much as we're trying our best to to relay technique there's nothing like yeah the hands-on part i'm not going to ever forget that right i know we're having like a little existential whatever like tell me i was like i i couldn't believe it because i thought you were anyways i just i was like what basically what the hell is this guy doing what are you doing to me right now you're pushing the thing down but now i i'll so from now on my bottom line is sorry ryan i'll wrap up take the door panel that's what the door looks like from the side and for me mentally this is just what works for me because you grab me you know touch was big i'm going to take it in my mind shift it sideways and then i'm going to have like a little typography map in my mind yeah and then i'll be able now i'll go like oh i don't want to keep going but i hate the movie if it moves you don't have to go that way you couldn't come at it because see part of the problem is the machine doctor right you're trying to tip with your own bash so get it sideways right [Applause] now we're not fighting look at that look at this guy totally smooth huh look at the whiff of that pattern look at that way better just by changing 90 degrees on the machine i have much better ergonomics so you'll see me get on the ground and lay down in some situations look at that just by changing that angle look at this like this all right yeah that's even bigger than the other never again am i going to look at the panel as just a panel i'm looking at as what is the topography what is the voluptuousness if that's a word of it and how can i attack that and it's almost perfect so that was a combination of how you attack it but even in this case more how you're holding the machine sideways vertical right bonk bonk versus can whittle it okay uh the front here as we mentioned before has a clear bra this particular one is really old and doesn't look very good so normally i would tell a customer hey i'm not going to really polish this it's not worth it we need to remove it in this case she just doesn't have time to do that so we're just going to polish it out what we're doing on it and again use a lot of caution if you decide to do this i'm not recommending you do it you have to know what each manufacturer recommends if it's 3m expel or whatever it is right so we tested this out and we're just sort of giving it a little pop a little shine so that when the rest of the car looks amazing when kevin's done over here and we finish all those spots there's no weird contrast so what i'm doing is increasing the quantity of polish to an extreme amount so not necessarily shock and awe that we've done before in the past uh we're just adding a lot because the old dead oxidized rubber and plastic that's coming off the clear bra is jamming into the pad so we have to as we said in the previous episodes we have to up the percentage of liquid because the amount of residue that's coming off per given amount of space is also increased if we didn't it would stick so if i just used a little dot and i did you know a two by two section let's call it it's gonna stick and i'll never be able to wipe it off because there's so much residue on there so normally let's say here's a dot or two in this case i am loading up the pad it might get a little messy but it's helping suspend all that residue again we're just doing a light polish i'm not going to town i'm not freaking out but did you get any 50 50 shots of this yet no sully all right so i'll finish this side this side and you'll clearly see that there's tons of scratches over here and none over here and i think for the purposes of meredith it's absolutely perfect so let's finish this up and close out this car lots of liquid likewise it's also nice to not have a cord here it's pretty cool otherwise you got to throw it over your shoulder sometimes it lays over the hood [Music] so [Music] all right that is loaded up with junk so you probably able to see this spray all over the place get my face out of the way here we go trying to angle it so you can see it you see it okay there we go it's just getting me nest it's getting me dirty i took my glasses off that's why my glasses go i don't know get glasses somewhere anyways wipe this off excellent you want to see a before and after real quick before i finish it let me get my uh and my glasses you getting angry having to redo my work can you see over here scratches before i gotta you know i'm starting to take them out over there so i don't wanna scratches there no scratches or minimal scratches oh yeah okay okay so we finished meredith's car and it's looking pretty good we spent a long time on it but that's how it goes what do you think you know what are your final words on this particular episode well in this case we were trying to teach technique so the goal was to teach technique not to make this the perfect color yeah and we did make it look nice but she's going to be driving it and so we're satisfied with the results and i think she got a lot of information out of it as well i know that i certainly did especially in this last little part i had like a you know moment where again you take that topography of the of the door or the panel or whatever and for me i'm going to turn it horizontal see that and then i'll know okay how the pad is going to flow i just i kind of did one of our you know when we do our final here like i kind of dropped my bags and i went and i wanted to attack it and i didn't slow down so it was great that we caught it and we actually did a third uh right procedure which was just start here and go that way for the finishing you know the pad fit perfect a little bit tilt pulled it wouldn't remove the defects we needed to sure but for the final couple passes with almost no polish it was perfect right so we finished this episode this was an incredible amount of work it was we knew it was going to be yeah you and i have been working on this for a long time so right off the bat i want to thank you for spending time and doing all this stuff having me this was huge um i think hopefully people are enjoying this and i do think it's changing the way people are detailing and their jobs and their income and all that kind of stuff so i think there's a lot of trickle-down good things that came from this i know we're exhausted it's the middle of the night right now but what would you say as the final you know top three things or whatever you want to call it okay what are you saying to the camera to the people what's what's important i would say first and foremost you know adjust your mindset we talked about that over and over don't need to knock it out of the park want to protect the paint we want to make it look nice but we want to keep as much on there as possible and if if if a scratch is too deep that's okay leave it there it's not as bad as going through and burning the paint and have to pay for a reshoot you know so that's the number one thing is because it's so abundant that i can make this perfect and three-step jobs and 50 hours it's okay to listen to the customer let's say a meredith and she wanted what she wanted we did what she wanted yep that equals success an all-in-one a cleaner wax a piston wipe it's okay that's totally acceptable it's what i used to do all the time to make a living that's what detailing was right bring it to the expectation of the customer that they told you what they want you did it they loved it great buy next car didn't have to knock it out of the park every time right so number two what would you say uh would be to wait what was it i don't know give me a second yeah number two was hang for a second guys and blank right out of my mind oh to go back and re-watch it there's a lot of damage we couldn't even remember because ready no oh okay and number three is enjoy all right so for number two what would that be i would say that we are dealing with an immense quantity of information that is for sure and a lot of topics and some of them are very in-depth and technical and so i would say that don't get discouraged that you don't remember it all i mean there's a lot there so just keep in mind that you can go back and re-watch this and i would recommend that if something that you really want to learn is i'm just not getting it what has worked for me in the past is to watch it again or read it again or read it again and i'm told all the time on the phone hey kevin i'm a i'm a visual learner you know i got to see it like well everybody is two eyes you know one brain yeah but until you can learn to envision you know see what's on the screen and then take it and say okay let me think about it and focus it's going to be difficult to learn these things but regardless you can always go back to that that that video in the series and and watch it again right i encourage people to get a test panel as well i think that's huge you can burn it and do all kinds of stuff have fun you know sand it that kind of thing finally in the last two seconds of us if we can stand up any longer because this has been a long week yeah what's the last thing to say to people i would say enjoy what you're doing if you have a day where things aren't going right and you're getting frustrated stop hold off if you're just burned out you overload of products pads machines it's costing too much money it's taking too much time i don't know what i'm doing take a break it's something you should enjoy supposed to be doing yeah and you do better work when you're true you're calmed and relaxed and focused rather than getting nervous and skittish and and frustrated frustration you know it kills the end result so just enjoy it and if you're not enjoying it that day wait do it another day absolutely so as always i want to thank you guys for watching this was a massive series a lot of work probably the hardest thing i've ever had to write in terms of our series um i'm hoping to do a 300 series a 400 series we've got a lot more coming but again thanks to kevin brown he doesn't want me to say it but visit his website at buffdaddy.com support him he's got a lot of content on there you guys know where i am amlnyc.com click on training we have beginner and now this advanced series as always thank you thank you thank you for watching if you have any questions shoot me an email at larry ammonyc.com or leave comments below that's it thank you thanks for watching guys we'll see you next time you

Channel: AMMO NYC STUDIO

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Keywords: Larry kosilla, Car detailing, Learn to detail your car, paint correction, how to become a professional detailer, car detail training, how to remove paint scratches, How buff your paint, Kevin Brown Buffdaddy.com, Disaster detail paint, How to wax your paint

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Length: 164min 33sec (9873 seconds)

Published: Tue Nov 03 2020