Top 15 Types of Paint Damage You Need to Know ATA 202

sup guys on episode 202 we're talking about the top 15 types of paint damage now in the previous episode 201 if you haven't seen it the links up here Kevin and I are chatting about the UV inhibitors within clear coat and because it gasses out that the majority or most of the UV inhibitors sort of rise to the surface and because of that we really want to think about sanding compounding polishing etc as we're leveling the clear coat you're sort of chewing away a lot of that UV protection now offline we chatted with a bunch of detailer buddies and they said yeah okay that makes sense but from what I'm hearing they're more evenly distributed and I should have written it like this yeah they're more evenly distributed throughout the clear coat and we said okay cool do we have any evidence proving that there have any documentation you know graphs charts etc and we don't we can't find anything but we're reaching out to paint companies and saying hey is this what you guys see again the whole point of this series the 8a series is to have these constructive conversations so if you find something or you see something you can contribute to the community please send me an email or post a link or whatever but we're trying to find something that's like definitive proof either way the answer doesn't really matter to me I just want to know either way but I still feel pretty confident in what we said because even if it did rise to the surface or if it's integrated evenly you still want to minimize the amount of leveling that you do to the clear coat you just want to have you know me and my metaphors as many jackets on as possible when you go outside and the cold and that mentality that we were sort of alluding to within the 201 episode I still think rings true but these fine little details are kind of exciting so if you see anything I'll let me know as always guys thanks for watching and I hope you enjoy episode 202 [Music] okay so for episode 202 we're talking about identifying the most common types of paint and perfections and I think it's important to understand what we're going after what we're trying to repair before we actually go in let's grab the polisher in the past that's the beginning yeah got to know what you're working toward right so how would you categorize the two different ones we categorize it as above surface contaminants and below surface defects right so like if we go back over here we have ones that sit on top of it like industrial fallout you know iron contaminants that sort of thing and then we have overspray overspray good one water water spots exactly and then we have ones that you know literally take a knife couch and your move taint right so that concept of ones that are on top and the ones that are on the bottom I think that's the first place to go and go okay I see that there's two different categories I think most of them that were concerned with meaning in terms of leveling the paint yeah right are gonna be below surface ones but we're gonna talk a little bit about each of them so let's go into the first one here holograms now you've categorized on this rotary swirl that's it it's a loose terminology originally we had rotary polishers that just constantly did a constant pattern right and get the car buffed out and take it home and come back to your guy said hey I see these buffer trails like Holograms I'm looking at it and it's just making me dizzy yeah so we've done a bunch of different panels I forgot to say that and each one of them Kevin put in or installed which was fun to watch you know that installed the wrong thing in particular this is rotary swirl so hopefully you can see that what's going on here is it looks like almost like fingers it mimics the pattern that the machine is creating so if we have a constant circular motion we're gonna get that but with rotors we tend to change our angle we use part of the pad to left the right we tilt and so wherever those strings or that foam is dragging abrasive grains and Emma strings the if they if they dig too deep they make a pattern scratch that mimics so that's what that would answer the why so for every one of these I'm gonna say what is this yes and why did it happen well what's the Y on this one again it is an accumulation of dirt oxidation paint residue the strings bind together on wool or something gets in the foam and that drags across the paint and creates a scratch okay so the other part I want to make clear here is we're just identifying them now again this is a long series we want to go in this it's not we're not gonna correct them right now we want you to know like oh okay boom I know that those are Holograms rotary swirls by the trails exactly but for us next one we have here is pigtails what is a pigtail and why is it called its called a pigtail cuz they look like a pigtail curly clearly they call them curly Q action as well and they mimic again the motion that the machine creates so we can get those in two ways sanding right or by polishing most of the time though the deep ones occur with the sanding segments so you get your car repainted or touched up they go in there and then you as a sanding machine with a dual action little palm sander and they sand away and over time if you don't clean the disc oh yeah that's a good example you end up getting this accumulation that's a clean one got a dirty one there's like a little dot here that we thought was a good example right and they'll be little pick they call them pills right because as you sand the paint's coming off but it's it's stuck between the disc and the panel and it creates little spheres or balls of paint right and they they clump in the clump and stick and now they're dragging and they're much bigger in size than the abrasive grains that they've attached to the disc these are highly refined and now when you see a pea tale generally speaking that's on a dual action polisher or not that's right okay you you're not usually standing with a rotary it's it's either done by hand or with a dual action machine yeah I mean it literally looks like little and they look like little pigtails yeah this word starts getting interesting da haze now before I ask a bunch of different questions tell me what is da haze and why's why and then I want to know the difference between a hologram well again mimic you create da haze by polishing okay so you can do it can be created with any type of pad wool microfiber foam any type of pad but as you polish the paint and it accumulates the paint or the paint and residue it sticks to the pad clumps the abrasives things like that and it now attaches to the pad and now it's scour it's essentially scouring right and it's mimicking the motion of the machine right here you did a clean version so it looks nice right here and there's a wine and then it's basically more cloudy on this side and we call it da haze because it's from a dual action machine orbital that rotates and it can be caused by a variety of machines forced rotation or dual action but it mimics the machine motion and what it does is it creates a haziness it's not as a parent that's the question was gonna ask what's the difference between a hologram where you see those fingers yeah they're more I should go like this when you see a car versus the hey they're more pronounced they're easy to discern like wow that's not that's not supposed to be though that that was caused by the machine this can sometimes be difficult to actually see it but you can say it looks a little milky right it's not clear it's kind of hazy right and that's where that term comes from the DA haze got it this is very polished and refined appears the polish the same exact machine and pad and everything but this was improperly done and there you go that's the difference all right so next we have scratches pretty pretty common stuff no let's get some scratches there most part it's it's a that one right there is one of my favorites hey it snowed and I don't get my shovel I mean I don't want to like wipe it off I get my shovel yeah how's a typical northeastern over it you people don't know that out here and so we have a scratch right here pretty typical and around Kevin you put in some other light scratches and there's one deep one and it turns yeah when you feel with your as we talked you can fill that with your finger right and that one's very deep so we would probably not focus on getting that one out of there we'll talk about that more later right but overall the panels in good shape but you do get these random deep scratches and that's what they look like right can you grab that poor paint well sure so the next one is poor people well it happens typically when the car is getting repainted right at the body shop or something like that so I put a little white dot here it was just a good example because yeah this world yeah it's on the it's on this world panel there's a dot right here where explain when somebody's painting what case these are test panels and then when they were painted there was a drip that accumulated of clear paint and it landed on the surface and then in one of our training seminars we sanded it but it obviously still bumped over that and that's what you see so you get you get subpar painting and we try to eliminate that but it's common its basic like human error yeah it's just it's just from paint landed there and dried and and that's what it looks like but it's an imperfection so an imperfect we needed to talk about it alright one of the most common ones which is a I don't to say its controversial but it's pretty typical and I think to some degree the manufacturers put it in for a particular reason so this is orange peel we're talking about this one is very very bad now how would you describe orange peel and and how does it take place how does it occur well it's a float it's a flow thing so if you were painting a car in your garage and you wanted to make it look completely wet and shiny and reflective you would want to lay it down and it would just flow out but there's there's a fine line between letting it flow and then it flows too much and it starts to run right so you example here like if this was an orange peel we'd be able to see that that's or whatever that is back there that car right right right now you can bare let me look at his fingers in this exam that's right it looks like it's kind of rippling underwater like I put this underwater and that's what it looks like little ripples on time and it's not a it's not a bad thing it's just not a desirable trait for automotive paint we want to see ourselves do want to be perfect reflection and doesn't do that one of the benefits though with orange peels if you did happen to scratch the surface it's easy to get that out cuz we'd have to sand the tops of the orange peel just the very uppermost proportions so to some degree I that's what I'm glad you're bringing it up I want to say I think a lot of manufacturers encourage a little bit of orange peels so that you can drive it normally and get it washed and do all that kind of stuff there's definitely a benefit to it right and let's say from a show car perspective you want to remove all of that make it perfectly flat the downside to that is if you have a show car and you drive it every day and you're literally if you get a little time now a bump you have to take that whole panel down right where versus what the orange peel texture is just the tops it gives you a little wiggle I think that that's a side benefit to something that wasn't desirable right but it's it's sometimes it's more usable to have a little bit of texture on your daily driver just so you don't walk up and like oh I tell you what to your car you're about to get in yep so there's orange orange peel good all right now for this one here this is a bit more complicated hold on to that I'm going to scroll through here this is shrinkage no describe or what they call die back in me yeah in the body shop anything they call it die back so essentially this is a good example here that's a great one yeah you're applying a liquid product the paint the primer the paint and it's got a lot of fluid in it and over time that's going to evaporate out and shift and change and when it does it takes everything with it so as an example you start out with a perfectly smooth panel with a metal aluminum whatever lay down some primer fairly thick and malleable and contourable it's it's fluffy and puffy right you lay down your base coat your clear coat and now they they cross-linked they they they cure the velcro is stuck right but you still have a lot of movement a move ability and malleability until it it comes to rest and everything evaporates out and if it fully cures and so when that happens if you happen to have a lot of movement in the primer and it shrinks down right then it's gonna take everything with it and that's what you see you see a shiny paint surface looks good but we're looking at and say hey I can see some rippling in there it looks like sanding marks right and that's what what it's cost from so so the primer itself shrunk and as it shrunk it yanked all the top away all with it interesting so that's that is shrinkage alright so we can actually leave that here so in terms the next ones you know we've gone through a couple of panels now we're gonna go through here we have clear coat failure I mean that's I'm not really sure how to get a good plate delamination the brother just peeled right off and you can see like if I could take my fingernail right now I can just go poop and you kind of peel off a little thin sheet which was kind of in the you know this category you know what I mean it uh-huh whatever that was we should take that or compress there and probably blow all that right off it's completely detached alright so let's see would you consider that I'd say that's time for a rebound yeah so the next one would be either denomination or we're still in the lamination or yes okay another that is a Wow yeah that's a pretty bad apart right there obviously came from either the primer or the actual metal panel and everything lifted off and detached at the the primer and took everything off with it this is true that is a bad example now we're starting to get into a little bit of oxidation slash this might be a double one oxidation there's got a lot of problems every but it did start out I think primarily with oxidizing from drying out losing its ability to expand contract twist and be malleable once everything dries out or it sort of like dry skin if you're in you know you're in the Sun all day long and it starts to dry out it gets like you know cracky you know not supple for paint to last a long time it's got to be able to expand and contract and twist and Bend and flex with the panel's but it's gonna eventually crack right what would you say on this one more more it was around oxidation this yeah this is a severe oxidation I know I know that type of vehicle too much too much experience there another one oxidation light oxidation you can see that it could be from soap or water spots or just daily do from you know moisture in the air yeah and over time that it it starts to oxidize and build a layer of oxidation and that's what it looks like it alright so for the next one we have fallout another kind of droppings from a tree that could be from a tree and what's on the leaves or what was being created by the tree drops on there and it's got different chemistry and right now talk a little bit about to everybody here when it starts to be above surface like technically this is above surface but if we waited long enough or if it got warm enough or the chemical you know the bird poo or the type of tree yeah we could now start getting into above now it's getting you could actually have damage occurring chemically right dissolving right or mechanical action so let let's assume this was fresh earlier today and it was in a liquid form and that liquid form as the Sun comes out and starts to heat it up the pH shifts higher low it gets very strong right so that could cause some damage to the paint itself once it's fully dry there's still some remnants obviously because it didn't all evaporates right left behind is hard particle right I think I have one here is there some there so yeah leftover stuff there and that is going along for a ride paint expands it's it's stretching out or up paint contracts it pinches it and over time that hard mineral it creates a dent or a divot in the paint and now we had what was originally an above surface contamination right now created the below surface defect defect right these are you know fallout iron this iron yeah and it rusts in place and sometimes I actually think it does dig in a little bit too Oh undoubtedly yeah so now that's fall out okay the next one would be dust nibs a little bit of a blurry one but explain what a dust native's from a body shop you're painting the the panel something is in the air or some kind of debris on your clothes and it lands on the paint and dries in place part of me thinks you know one of the tips of you know repainting your car is like if I walk in like how do you find a good detailer how do you find out this kind of how do you find a good body shop if you can walk in and it's like perfectly clean you can kind of look and there's nothing there to me that's that's one of the things to the signs that I find of a really good body shop because things like this happen and typically it happens on every single car but you try to minimize that and they'll come in and sand it and take it out right all the times they miss it the paint booth the booths are so expensive they have great fans and filtration so that that's the crux of where it's got to be sanitary right that's the sanitary area in the body shop so you know then we have 12 rock chips I mean this is a pretty bad example that's wow that's a big that's a big impact you got a big paint with another one Wow everybody knows that rock chips are so but again I paint that is certainly damage to the paint so we needed to certain you know talked about it Wow okay now this one's kind of fun this is hard water what's going on with hard water probably sitting by a sprinkler or something like that and water lands on the paint and we have evaporation of the water and other of the minerals that year yeah the mineral water I'm leaving behind the minerals right and now they're sitting on the surface it looks like you could probably scrub those away there's a high likelihood in the situation like this that you had the above surface contamination but because those minerals are so big like etching they're now and she's now attached expansion contraction again pinch pinch pinch right now we have a ghosting effect it looks like a water spot sometimes you can walk around the car say that it looks great it looks great whoa I can see those water spots I could see the ghosting effect it's not a ghosting it's actually damaged you could you could scuff that what sandpaper and highlight all the damage all right so the next one here that's another that's another example there's a scratch there as well but I thought from the triple whammy there well and you know kinds of neat things going on this is going through pictures look at that that's so now we're on to etching bird poo kind of thing that's caused a complete delamination of certain areas of that paint system right so in some cases you know if you get it's a splatter you can see that yeah you know you get some bird poo and that could be yeah we're starting to cause a rusting effect right it's broken through and it's causing under underneath the clear to to discolor and some of that minerals migrating in there or that debris is migrating in a changing color right and I think that is probably one of the most common things well is getting a bird poop you had to get that out or I did we'd have to say look what we can either smooth it out and and leave that there but if you wanted to remove that coloring it's it's it's very deep right and there's a good chance that we could even if we sanded it knock through some of it and not get the rest cuz it's under the clear right right this one I found the most interesting Wow yeah and that is again an expansion contraction dry out issue but in this case you see this a lot on the front where the engine is right at the front of the engine where the radiator is and there's a lot of heat happening continuously cycling hot cold hot cold all the time especially from the engine but more more so than the radiator you'll see it on the front end and the whole paint system the primer the base the clear has to expand contract but the primer just can't take it and after a while it dries out starts to crack and eventually everything follows along with it the base coat and clear coat go along for the ride because I even have a vehicle myself the paint looks great on top it's still shiny and smooth and resilient right but it's got crow's feet it's actually cracked there's not a whole lot you can do about there's no there's nothing from a polishing perspective it's so that's why I thought it was healthy at least put this one on is the last what Solomon hey this is an issue with your paint but unfortunately there's not a whole lot in our world and the people ask well how do I get the wax out of those cracks well it's not just wax it's oxidation but yeah okay so those are the top 15 types of paint imperfections you're probably going to see out in the real world yeah you're not going to see many surprises after seeing this okay so on the next episode 203 we're gonna talk about how to avoid the most common polishing mistakes so you can kind of shrink that learning curve and get right into it yeah you get good take that create hologram yeah the pip pigtail da haze I think if we talk about that now you can sort of minimize that oh my gosh I just caused these more direct path to getting the results you want right so if you ready to watch that episode click the link above that's Kevin I'm Larry again thanks for watching you

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Length: 20min 12sec (1212 seconds)

Published: Wed Feb 27 2019