Doors 101 - Cost + What They Are Made Of

[Music] all right guys the build show is live today and you know what we got a great topic for you whether you're a builder or a model or an architect or whether you're designing your own house everybody's got some doors and we are going to give you all the information today we're talking interior doors exterior doors we're going to show you the costs and we're going to show you how they're made so that when you end up ordering your next door package you know exactly what you're getting today's build show live are you ready let's get going [Music] all right guys we're talking into your doors today and i'm coming to you from the bmc showroom in sunny dallas texas and i've got a couple of door experts with me as well we've got aaron and chris with me from bmc and guys i'm really excited to have you ready to talk some doors today absolutely all right so first off uh before we get into these doors and the cutouts and all the stuff i want to tell you about how these doors are made so these are door slabs and we're going to be talking about those today but those door slabs come from a bmc mill shop and whether you're buying from bmc or another vendor those doors need to get made up so that they're ready to arrive on your job site now i came a day early so i could see that process and we made a short video that's just a three minute video let's go see how these doors are made and then we'll get into all the construction details on the slabs themselves let's go every builder gets excited when that big white bmc truck pulls up to your job because you know you've got the trim and the doors and you're on to that next phase of construction well today i'm coming to you from their bmc mill shop here in dallas this is 300 000 square feet of mill shop and i'm going to show you from slab to delivery everything that happens let's go inside and meet darren [Music] have you ever seen the tv show how it's made that's what we're doing here this is where all the magic happens now darren talk to me about the process from these doors here where those slabs come in to where they're rolling out to my job site okay matt we received door slabs from our manufacturers flat on pallets like behind me right here we go through 35 000 slabs a month in this location so in order to do that we have to have machinery like this behind you it's a million dollar door machine it produces doors in uh about a thousand a day that's two thousand side jams of uh for the door frame four thousand pieces of casing for for the doors itself so what it does is picks the doors up from the front loads it into the machine itself runs it through drives the screws through the hinges machines all the door parts for the hardware squares up the frame and that's how come i know when you call me and say your door's not right and i know i made it square okay once it goes through the machine on the other side the guys attach the casing stand it up put it in a buggy and then it goes out to the shipping area once it's in the shipping area those doors go on the truck together with your interior trim package and then it goes out to the job site now we go one step further we make throwaway trim carts so that we stack your trim off the ground onto the cart in your garage at your job site so your trim carpenter is able to just pick that material off and a lot easier man i love that trim tree in my garage i know that that trim is not sitting on the ground getting wet getting stepped on that's a big value add with vmc now darin you guys also do exterior doors in this plant talk me through that process as well how's that different from what we just saw in the interior doors exterior doors are run through the same way as interior doors from receiving to shipping the only difference is that we make them weather tight so we add weather stripping to the frames and we put a threshold on the bottom to help keep the weather out and weather tight that door essentially runs the same process goes to buggy goes to the truck same thing with your trim package and now you've got that got to say man a lot of precision on display here a lot of craftsmanship you got a lot of hard-working guys here making it happen for my houses i appreciate that darren you bet guys let's go back to the showroom and we'll continue the program [Music] all right guys we're back to the studio here and again we're coming to you from the showroom in dallas if you're watching this on youtube this was a live event make sure you sign up for these in the future and by the way if you're on the live event we'd love to have you ask some questions there's a q a button i believe at the bottom of your webinar screen hit your questions there and i've got my screen in front of me here so i can see what those questions are we're going to have some time at the end to answer all those questions and if you've got something as i'm scanning this that's pertinent for us to talk through as we're getting in it i might actually interrupt the flow to hit one of those as well so please ask questions now my experts today i'm here with chris and aaron from bmc now these guys uh are outside sales reps of bmc so i have an aaron and chris that i deal with down at my austin branch but these guys are working with typically the builders and sometimes the architects and designers as well on the doors on projects aaron let's start with you if you would we we did a bunch of you guys did a bunch of cutaways for me and i really like the nerdy details so let's talk about the nitty gritty and as we go through these doors guys we're kind of going from uh least cost to more costly so let's start with this first cutaway right here aaron you got it matt all right so at your entry level interior door is what we call a hollow core hardboard door it is two pieces of hardboard and i'll let me just stop and explain what hardboard is this is an eighth inch door skin if you will it starts as a three inch fiber and pulp mat that a large steel die comes down and presses down into this eight inch super dense very hard product that will keep its lines so that's how you get a stamped pattern in the face of the door it's called a molded panel door okay that is a hardboard right or temp tempered hardboard i'm not sure what that term means but there are different kinds of hardboard okay um and i'm not sure about the tempering exactly i think that has to do with the surface tension on the skin of it okay but anyway this hardboard is rigid so it will hold the pattern when you see two panels or six panels that's what's going on here it's basically painting great well it takes paint really well it is a paint grade door and it takes paint extremely well it's very smooth okay so they they make these skins and then they sandwich uh the style and the rail of the door okay right define style and rail for us all right every door has for the most part a style and two styles and two rails at a minimum the styles are the vertical members okay that are the main support of the door okay so as we think of this door the side over here is the style that's right coming up and down that's right and the rails are the horizontal members of the door that adds support and then panels are in between sandwiched by this the rails and the styles okay so in this door the style that you see is actually just pressed into the skin so it's it's aesthetic only the actual style the actual structure of this door is hidden behind this skin in these cases because this is a relatively low cost well actually very low cost this is the lowest this is the lowest price point door okay um the style and the rail are made out of mdf okay okay that stands for medium density fiberboard all right and it's it's a very inexpensive um product to make all right and it but it does the function it's solid and it holds these things together and these are also pretty lightweight doors right a 6 8 door might be what 20 pounds 25 pounds maybe maybe not even that's right that's right and i'll tell you that's the reason they can use mdf styles and rails on the hinge side of the door where the hinges are screwed to the door mdf's not the best at holding screws but with a door that's so lightweight doesn't have to hold much weight doesn't have to hold much weight yeah that makes sense how about price point at this store this is our entry level this is our lease cost this is uh you know most apartment buildings or low-cost production entry-level houses are going to be these what are we talking about price point aaron yeah so when we talk about price point we need to uh qualify two things first off uh we're going to talk about pre-hung units so there's a door and there's a frame okay when we talk price point we're talking about a pre-hung unit so it's the door in the frame complete with hinges ready to put in the hole and then put casing around got it not in other words not a slab only where you've got a renovation job you've got a jam there already and you're just ordering a slab this is a pre-hung door that when it gets delivered to the job site it's usually post sheetrock and the trend carpenter is installing that door and then the painter takes over from there or to further clarify you did a you did a bit uh with cavity sliders on pocket doors the other day okay and a pocket door you're buying a slab only no frame that's right when we talk prices here we're talking pre-hung with a frame okay so around 80 bucks 80 bucks for a six foot eight okay um there are also 96 inch eight foot doors which are very common in a lot of parts of the country and you're going to get more in the 135 140 range for an eight foot version of this okay gotcha now what am i seeing here what is that looks like cardboard it is cardboard so all right so there we go if the cardboard weren't there you would be able to squeeze this door together and and you just get a lot of deflection on the skins yeah and if somebody would push against the door this just adds some rigidity inside that door is not going to push in together exactly right yeah all right so we're not going to make value judgments uh on these doors but don't buy this door if you're watching this but other than that we're not making value adjustments that's right all right let's go up the scale what's the next one okay the next level up is what we call a solid core molded panel door it is the same skin as you saw in the hollow core door okay but the door gets thicker and we fill it with a particle board core all right that fills probably 95 percent of the void in between these two skins this does a lot of things it adds weight first so that you get a feel of a good solid wood door that's very important to some folks these hollow core doors you try and slam the door just the air resistance keeps the door from slamming not very satisfying yeah okay and of course because it's a hardboard shell if you've got a stiff um what do they call those that goes against the wall i can't think of it oh you have the doorstop stuff the base stops yeah if you had a doorstop that's not the springy swing version right it's going to go right through the door if someone were to slam that door it definitely can so this door will slam with emphasis okay it sounds better it'll take fingers off too but it'll slam with emphasis it's a lot more satisfying you know we can't slam our phones down anymore so at least we can have a door that sounds solid when you're angry and close it no no no my kids no don't don't listen to what he just said okay anyway solid core door now one of the things that has to happen here you'll notice down here the rail is still mdf but the style now transitions to a piece of wood okay this is important because we go up now maybe to an 80-pound door okay and suddenly we need some holding power with the screws that hold these hinges into the door so that makes sense yeah that makes a lot of sense right and there's really no issues with this particle board in the center as long as that door is not getting wet you shouldn't have any issues with that particle board right that's exactly right um let's let's talk about doors getting wet though okay for just a second if you don't mind because this is really important part if you've ever read a door warranty any door warranty okay from any manufacturer from any manufacturer exterior doors into your doors it doesn't matter right up top in the warranty talks about finishing all six sides of the door super important it's super important i'll tell you why honestly most people think this is a boondoggle but it's not okay it's actually important because what happens is the surface of the door doesn't have any exposed grain so you're not really protecting much here where you expose grain in wood is at the end grain okay and so the bottom of the door the styles have exposed end grain the end grain is the exposition of capillaries in the wood the tree is made to carry water through the wood okay and they actually suck humidity out of the air into the bottom and into the top of the door this humidity travels through those veins if you will and manifests itself at various points in the door and creates warping yeah okay so even an interior door we get calls all the time from folks that have say a laundry room door or a bathroom door high humidity right and they can't understand why their door is warping is not shutting properly against the jam right you have some movement there's some light showing through in the center let's say but the top and bottom are tight against the uh the door stop uh it's oftentimes because we forgot to paint at the top or the bottom and you know where this is the biggest problem honestly a door in a frame is one thing the hinges are kind of holding it rigid although the strike side may get a little warped okay in a pocket door oh huge in a pocket door here's what happens in a pocket situation because it's top hung now it's not only top hung and not supported on either side but you've put it into a cool low pressure system okay with no air movement a door that's hanging on hinges has usually air movement under because there's a return air gap okay so it dries out the bottom of the door you get into that pocket which which starts as a low pressure system all the warm air in the house is drawn to that cool pocket right okay it settles in there it basically puts that door in a sauna and it and it just bows and you notice that it drags against the wall when it's coming out and this is it's just so vital with any door whether it's the highest and solid core wood door or whether it's the lowest and hollow core door when you're hanging those pocket doors i highly recommend because the painters are never taking them out i highly recommend that the installer keep a little roller of primer and just prime the bottom and the top of that door it solves all those products so easy to finish carpenters the builders watching this think about having your finished carpenter wheeze installing those doors actually throw that prime coat on if it's not already primed a lot of times it's coming from the bnc factory already primed it's good to double check that though exactly all right let's keep going on doors we've got the solid oh i'm sorry we forgot to talk cost oh you're talking cost wise on a solid corridor so a solid core door pre-hung again the six foot eight version is gonna be around 150 bucks okay okay and an eight-foot version is going to be around two two ten somewhere in that ball so it's definitely a step up in cost but i think that's worth it for a better more solid door that's going to be a little more soundproof but also a little more solid now now i may have made a mistake here uh you noticed that his eyes went up when i said soundproof let's talk about that for a second so proof we hate the word proof okay it's it's not sound proof now i will tell you this door transmits a lot less sound than this door does okay so there is a benefit there however we talked about return air gaps under doors so they undercut the bottom of it yeah which is often three quarters sometimes an inch that's right and it allows airflow through the house which is very key it also allows sound to go through the house okay so that's where 90 of your sound is transmitting through a door opening so a lot of people will see the you know the flyer that talks about the soundproofing qualities of a solid core door and and they'll be a little misled that oh this is going to soundproof my room it's not unless you do something with that air gap and there are things you can do i think you've talked about weather stripping around media room doors right yeah and another great thing on media room doors that i've shown a couple times on my channel is a drop down sill we talked about this the other day pemco makes a drop down sill um which fits in a uh potato at the bottom that's right in the bottom of the door and there's a pin on the door so when the door is open there's a pin that's exposed when you close the door against the jamb the pin closes it drops down that sill and then it's going to stop that air gap anywhere there's air flow or light coming through that's a great sound transmission you could have the most expensive solid door in the world but if there's an undercut with airflow there's going to be some sound transmission exactly great point got it all right so then moving up from that solid corridor what's next on our list there chris you want to take over you bet yeah so as we transition over from our good better to best in our better category we're gonna uh work up to an mdf door and we're still in the paint grade category just to verify right that's correct okay yeah they're mdf doors so even within that category we've got a lower grade and a higher grade so you know in the lower grade or kind of the entry level model it's more of a commodity-based door still well-built you've got mdf panels that's gonna keep everything real nice and stable um the cores on these are gonna be more of a uh a wood type core okay not highly engineered they're gonna come primed but not always the best priming on there but again they're they're a a commodity based door that's going to have entry-level pricing on it and what is that entry level pricing what we're talking about so on on these type of doors here you're probably talking around three or four hundred dollars pre-hung um in a finger joint jam got it and again and i'm sorry i'm interrupt that's actually what i put in my house 14 years ago when i remodeled i would have liked to have gone to a more expensive door but that was a nice upgrade from a solid corridor i painted my doors 14 years later i got to say even with some dogs and a four kids that have grown up in my house they've actually fared really really well i haven't had any problems with them yeah they're durable you know being pre-primed it's great because the painter can you know sand that that primer down and put a nice finish coat on there now chris i have a router carved though right and there are other options beside that right yeah we talked about that one other thing um i would like to say on that too is uh the these have a solid wood style and rail so that's that's not highly engineered yes so the router carved doors you're talking about that is kind of a mid-grade in between here basically they've transitioned more to doing a high a higher version or a more customized version of a style and rail door so this is one of our companies that we deal with that builds a true style and rail door and it's really built to architectural standards so it's built with the separate components where you've got the panel so each piece of mdf is separate it can be really a true crisp molding so that when they put those styles and rails together you've got nice crisp details right yeah these are built just like our custom wood doors are in our shop but they're just made out of mdf of course they're highly engineered there's uh you know in this particular slab door right here you can see it's got a lsl engineered uh core in the middle of it and that's just to resist movement in it uh but we were talking about the router carved versus uh the the uh the way the true style is put together is you get these very crisp corners uh in in these lines right here and these lineal moldings with a with a router you're only limited to going down to an eighth of an inch diameter on the on the bits so that's where you see a little bit of rounding on on the panels that's great um these are great you know this is more of a traditional style door so you have a really nice raised panel with a real traditional door mold on there that sticks out so kind of a raised door molding this is similar in look but this is more of a modern style so you have really cool layered pieces on there that really give those clean lines for the modern style house and then of course you know the modern started with slab doors so they've actually recreated the slab door instead of using a particle board core as evidenced here you can get these in slab doors as well you've got an engineered lsl core that really makes for a stable door yeah i would say that that upgrade from the hardboard to the mdf uh it is a jump in price but it's a nice upgrade in terms of durability and paint and and just kind of resisting chipping and flaking and that sort of thing yeah i lost my train of thought too early so on these commodity style doors you're very limited in the styles meaning the panel layouts and the stickings and the and the components you can put on it with this particular models here you're unlimited you can do flat panels with raised moldings you could do raised panels with with real lineal moldings i mean there's thousands of options on that and pre-hung on the higher uh grade uh mdf doors is gonna be about five or six hundred dollars in a finger joint yeah now in many of the homes we do they're gonna go and upgrade to a poplar jam you've got a beautiful prime door we'll send out a solid poplar jam that's cnc routed for the hinges so it's very crisp and uh you know that would probably add another say a hundred dollars to the price of that door yeah i use a lot of poplar in my houses and when i when i did my personal house 14 years ago i used a lot of finger jointed pine it's been okay it's definitely a softer material it doesn't take paint quite as well that poplar is a nice upgrade it's a little more durable a little more solid i use that on my houses for most of my trim and my jams is all popular these days but you do spend a little bit more now instead of you know three to five hundred dollars a door you gotta add that extra 100 bucks for the poplar we're just trying to give you all the price points and all the options yeah and you know again presenting those options is great i think some clients are going to be you know want to do the lower price but i think there's a lot of value in using the poplar it's very clean a lot of hard hard hardness to it so chris let me interrupt you for one question uh one question that came up that's related to this as we move from those lighter doors this holocore to the solid core doors talk to me about hinges and number of hinges that we're going to need or want so on a 6-8 door an 80-inch tall door we're typically going to utilize three hinges on an inch and three eighths door we use three and a half inch hinges on a inch and three quarter door we're gonna use four inch hinges okay they're gonna be five h radius because our machining can can route those out very easily okay um when you get to an 8-0 door you're gonna add one more hinge you can have four hinges on there yep okay um so so six eight doors in general three hinges unless you have a real lightweight bump up to they don't need four inches um can you give me any any difference in cost on the ball bearing hinges that i always spec i wish i knew how much they cost but i actually don't know yeah so a ball bearing hinge is probably going to add five to seven dollars a hinge is probably fair okay so another 20 or 30 bucks for door maybe that's correct and when we when we get to the higher end houses we'll actually do all of the hinge prep on our cnc machines and we've actually got a cnc hinge machine that will square corner the hinges on there so if architecturally correct on a especially on a modern home they like to see really nice square clean hinges on there uh the old school way of doing it would be we would send out the 5 8 radius hinges then the carpenter would take his chisel and clean the rest of those corners out and while it would look decent uh it wasn't as clean as you'd like it so using everything on the cnc really makes everything clean and typically in most of our our upper end houses we'll send out just a primed hinge on there because we know the painters are gonna paint right over them so it's always suggested to have the the new door shipped out with a temporary hinge let them paint all over them and then trade them out with your nice finish hinges and you see that real crisp line from the painted door to the finished hinge quick plug for bmc uh as we're thinking about that chris i've been buying viewers from you guys for almost 15 years that i've been in business now uh and one of the things i like about bmc and there are other companies that do this as well but you can specify all this right i'm gonna meet with a guy like chris who's my outside sales person and together we're going to say what are the things that i want he can nail that down for you or she can and make sure that you're getting exactly what you need and also if you need to go down on cost they can say hey have you thought about doing this or that instead but you can specify down to the specific hinge you want the specific door you want the specific jam you want so when that shows up it's all fully customized and that's one cool benefit of working with a really top-notch firm like you guys yeah and that's going to change from job to job i mean you may be doing a spec home where you're trying to be at a price point yeah or a truly high custom end home that that you're pulling all the stops out love it all right so we've gone through the paint grade show me that first sample on the stain grade and then we're gonna pause for a second after that first one okay so just this first one here again this is uh as we're as we're working our way up we're getting stained grade doors now of course the price point goes up again we've got a entry-level stain stained grade door which is similar to the the the uh you're a little bit in the shadow on that where you bring that door absolutely there we go the uh so it's a commodity-based stain-grade door again you're going to be limited on the panels and sticking options that you can get but you can afford it you know if you're just an entry-level buyer and you want some stain grade doors in there the there's not an engineered styles or rails it's it's pretty basic just like that one more minute it's a little hard to see in the video guys but what we're looking at here uh is the um panel is mdf and then you've got a veneer which is really hard to pick up uh even with our very thin veneer a thin veneer right and then that veneer is actually curving into the panel and then we've got a solid uh wood style that is not the same wood as the veneer this looks like it might be a fur or i don't know what older alder okay there you go so this is a kind of an entry-level stain grade because this veneer is fairly thin it could be chipped or damaged it's going to be hard to fix later but it's going to meet a price point yeah and we talked about earlier that being a bladder pressed panel okay yeah so you know it's got the mdf panel that's got the scoop raised on it and they take that thin veneer and basically place bladders over them which presses it down on it while the glue attaches to it so it's just a way to achieve a a raised panel look with somewhat of an engineered center so again you're trying to resist movement and warping and where do you think that price point comes in on that entry level stain door so an entry grade stain level door like that is gonna fall in the range of probably around five to six fifty okay so just a little bit more potentially than the nicer mdf paint grades that's cool to get into that stain grade chris let's take a pause there for a second because as we start getting into these stain grade doors you can of course still buy slabs from lots of different manufacturers as i have over the years but one cool thing about bmc is that they've got a custom mill shop and i took a tour yesterday that i'd love to have you show it's about a two minute video let's go see what the custom options are from bmc you know i love my custom doors and check out this beauty right behind me custom walnut door with this furled walnut inset man that is cool now darren you walked us through the process to make a more standard door you know the doors that we're seeing on most houses but now we're in the custom side of what you do talk me through this okay well we take wood and it's raw source rough sand four quarter eight quarter wood mahogany walnut cherry anything you can imagine we'll even split species the door so we take that rough lumber and we mill it down into our in our mill shop into a finished product so what we do is we make the door styles and rails at an engineer core that keeps the door stable we do a little thicker veneer on the exterior skin on both sides of the door than some of our competitors do and then we do a one inch edge cap most people just do a quarter now you're asking yourself why do you do that well everybody dings their door up every once a while and if you do get a gouge just saying the face to your door it's not going to come through the veneer and you're going to be able to see the core right so we just think it's a better product but you also have a super stable door because of that interior lvl core right you bet prevent the door from twisting and warping and it allows us to make the door that is seven feet wide and 15 feet tall and not have it be warping so dang it and then you got this door right here you know as you stop this is over the top burled walnuts flat panels the material itself just the panels is a thousand dollars okay so this is truly a one-of-a-kind door for you yeah this is not a uh an apartment door this is definitely a custom home this is whatever right it's the architect designer the builder whatever they dream up y'all can build correct correct if you envision something on the back of a napkin from lunchtime and you come in with our engineers and designers we can we can fabricate that door up from scratch inch and three quarter two and a quarter three inches thick four inches thick is what we've made split species so you might want to have a durable mahogany on the outside and then have a really nice black walnut on the inside and that's going to give you two different looks of door but it's also going to give you a better performing door overall the wood door love it man and i love how you've integrated both the craftsmanship i saw your guys using calipers but you've also got a very expensive cnc machine that we saw a door like this coming out of it was really doing all those precision cuts right that's correct just like that million dollar investment we had in a production door we got a half a million dollar investment in that cnc machine that i could take a chunk of wood eight inches thick and square and i could turn it into a sphere and i could write your name around it with that machine that's really awesome darren thank you for the tour and guys if you've got something that you think you want to have built definitely talk to your local bmc guys they've got incredible capabilities back to the show and let's continue the program [Music] wasn't that a cool tour man that rounded top walnut door with that burled inset that i saw yesterday that was a really nice door expensive door but really pretty hey one a quick reminder here if you're on the live event here the q a tab is how to ask your questions we're going to get to those in about 10 15 minutes and we'll make sure we get to those i'm seeing some great ones on here doug dusty several of you have some good ones i'm going to get to that in a minute so hit that q a tab at the bottom of the zoom link that's where you can post your question i'll get those in a second all right aaron back to you now as we jump into stain grade doors more custom homes a little bit more money there's some huge variances in those in how they're made why don't you walk us through those door sections these nerdy details are awesome i love it there are big differences and you know this is this is you're going to see kind of a progression in where technology has brought us a little bit with these doors for instance this is this is an earlier model engineered door i want to i want to reiterate when we talk about engineered doors okay we are differentiating them from solid wood doors where you literally take to get an inch and three-quarter style okay you're taking a two-inch piece of rough lumber planing it down but it's a solid piece okay those are beautiful but they're also prone to warpage okay yeah and movement right and movement right and so when you engineer the style you get the same beautiful look on the face with the veneer okay right here but inside we're putting that engineered core to the style in the rail okay in this case it's a stave core you see three big pieces three or four big pieces of wood this is kind of early generation if you will all right and it was a great step forward okay but it wasn't all the way there because these big pieces of wood still if they're unprotected on the bottom and the top can still wick moisture exactly right so we graduated to using even more highly engineered uh not composites but like an lsl core okay which you see here right and this is a this is a really interesting door so you have this strand core that's made up of particle particle type product it looks like an lsl psl kind of engineered header material exactly and it's and it doesn't absorb moisture okay that doesn't mean you can't you can get away with not finishing your doors because there still are elements of this that are solid wood that you have to protect end grain on okay but we've also got an mdf core in the middle of this panel uh we'll i'll show you this let's go back here the mdf is going to be the most stable in terms of humidity and changes so with that middle panel with a true style and real door you don't want that panel doing this right that's exactly right in fact you've seen panels that move and you have paint lines right you have a joint you have a joint that cracks that's exactly right and so the more stable we can make these panels the more we can mitigate that happening okay um also we talked about we talked a little bit about on this door here the bladder pressed okay okay that was the thin veneer door that's right the thin veneer door uh when we when we go to this level of door we're now using actual solid so you can see the mdf core here but then there's three eighths three eighths thick solid lumber for the outside of the panel okay that allows us to do really true architectural details kind of get kind of gets back to that conversation we were having about router carved versus you know actually put together with square edges it's going to last you a couple centuries honestly or a couple you know 100 years because if you have a ding on that door you want to refinish the door you can sand it you're not worried about sanding through veneer if someone runs their bike into it and nicks it you could actually do a repair on it that's the door that if you're building a house and think hey i want to pass this on to my grandchildren that's more like what we're talking about right that's absolutely right and the other thing too to remember is that you know these doors will last as long as as long as you're in the house as long as long multiple generations really as long as they're taken care of from the start with proper finishing and then main maintenance you know cleaning and finishing so let me pause you for one quick second i'll point to that stave corridor a second if you would okay and point to those staves on there right i've talked about in past videos my hidden doors and i'll often refer to a stave corridor and bmc has made these for me a bunch in the past where the door that i'm putting in the wall let's say is a hidden laundry room door or a hidden mechanical rim door usually it's on a shiplap wall either vertical or horizontal ship lap and i'm having my bmc rep custom order me a stave core door that's a flush panel door meaning no molding it's the outside panel is flush but i like that stave core flush like that that's right because now it's going to take my nails my screws all those things that i'm going to do is i put a panel on it so if you're doing a hidden door project talk to your bmc rep about a stave core flush panel door and you guys can make that in a lot of sizes i know i've ordered uh four by ten or uh maybe six by twelve or some crazy random sizes also sometimes it's just a normal 308-0 that's getting cloud remember those are heavy too but that's when we go to the really cool and sometimes expensive hinges the tsugitsuni maybe sauce maybe tectus and these guys can also source and install those for you ahead of time too you don't just have to use standard hinges and we'll get into what you guys do towards the end of the program on that but keep going i just wanted to mention what that stave core could be used for no problem and a quick aside on door size okay doors are morphing into moving walls right now yeah i mean the sizes are getting outrageous they're getting you know six seven feet wide 12 feet tall and just extraordinary and we have sources for all of that i love it yeah that's definitely a trend in the industry i would say aaron yep so these two are just again they're just further refinements of of these processes to get to get the product even more stable okay we're learning every day what works okay and so you know you just see a slightly different core you have your lvl type core which just is straighter more cost effective you know it's just it's it's highly engineered and it's really really great that's good stuff hey we're running a little short on time we're 40 minutes and some great information let's switch to exterior doors guys we've talked all about interior doors oh before we forget though i forgot to ask you cost wise on some of those more top-of-the-line stain grades yeah pretty much for for budgeting purposes you're starting at a thousand bucks okay per door but it goes anywhere from there depending on the number of panels you have it just and the type of wood right i mean there's a vast difference in in wood species pricing yeah so just to recap paint grade we may be looking at uh you know 100 door on the low end 150 200 door on the solid core paint grade then up to three four five six hundred bucks on the nicer that's right mdf really smooth paint grade doors the entry level on the stain grade maybe five six hundred bucks and then a thousand and more as we get up to those really more expensive and nice stores that's exactly right you know that round top burled walnut you're probably in the ten thousand dollar range yeah that's a nice store that looked like a ten thousand we like to sell those we do we do the other nice thing we talked about this because of the construction here um because it gets more and more effective at keeping moisture out of the door it makes uh stingray wood doors effective for exterior use as well oh that's right because now we've got an lvl core that's really not going to move correct and you could take a a blank door meaning a slab door and add an exterior jam on that that's exactly right made for exterior and you're good to go that's exactly right in fact when we do that these cores while they may be a particle core they are water resistant highly water resistant cores love it so what are the two cutouts on the end that we're looking at that look like they've got insulation in between well they essentially do so so these are basically commodity exterior doors okay and this first one here we're looking at is what we call a flush metal door and you can see here it's got a polystyrene core that gives it rigidity but it's got a very thin shoot i don't know maybe 20 gauge or 22 24 gauge metal face okay you see these a lot on apartment doors okay they dent pretty easily it doesn't take much the mason will dent it pretty easily and it's it's hard to get that dent out i will show you a couple features of them these styles are an lvl type door so it's rigid okay the bottom rail is actually composite so this is a non-rot bottom rail it's like a decking product almost yeah similar to that that's right cuts that you're seeing in there that's where your door bottom is going to slide it's kerf into that's right you've got a rubber uh door bottom that is changeable in the future you can always pull that door bottom out of here and just pop another one in and a lot of residential single family builders are using those as their fire door which is between their laundry and mud room and garage too right that is true we see we see a lot of that but we also see a lot of 20 minute rated solid core hardboard products in that application as well okay and usually 20 minute rating is what uh is is required yep you can go to higher ratings though if you desire absolutely for 40 or 60 minute ratings and that's true pete had a question about that fire resistance of exterior doors any of those metal or wood doors could be fire rated you need to talk to your rep about that though if that's something you're interested in if you're building in a wildfire zone or that's something that you're not wildfire zone uh wui wildfire wildland urban interface zone you might actually have to provide a door that has a rating on it right and we can by the way we can source these paneled true panel doors in pretty much any rating you want oh that's cool okay even for interior extra whatever i love it so then next from the metal is what's the one on the end there so first the metal the price point on the metal oh yeah is going to be a 6 8 door pre-hung is going to be around 400 bucks okay an 8-foot version of the metal and this is just flush metal no glass no panels it's going to be about 500 okay from there we go to its fiberglass big brother okay and what's the big benefit of going to fiberglass well it's really rigidity i mean these just don't dent okay and if you were to uh to create a you know a break in it or something which would take a pretty pretty hard impact bondo and paint and you don't even know what happened okay i'm sorry to say that in my production builder days i did a lot of condo on those steel doors over the years from the houses i built so but the fiberglass you have a hard time dating it to begin to begin with i think well this skin this fiberglass skin is is almost an eighth inch thick also it's just much more rigid than the metal okay and you do you do step up in price a little bit a 6 8 version is probably going to be 550 bucks okay instead of 400 here an 8 foot version is probably going to be in the 900 range all right and again you can go on up if you add panels to this where you have it kind of embossed like these are right then you're going to step up in price and if you add glass well then it's it's you know anything right quick note on price too we've been throwing prices out a lot uh we're uh pricing these as doors that are delivered to your job site with the jam with the hinges everything on them and we're kind of quoting retail prices here uh if you're a builder get an account with bmc have them actually quote those it may be a slightly different price it's true the prices we're quoting would cover you typically if you're doing some quick budgeting yeah that's right so um let's transition to the exterior sills chris and or really all the other components i should say that go into an exterior door let's talk about those because again when you're ordering custom doors you can get whatever you want and if you don't specify it you may not get what you want so by saying what you want you're gonna get a really good product and you may pay a little bit more for it but you get what you pay for that's right and i will say one more thing on the ratings you certainly can do fire ratings on any of the doors we provide i think anything after 60 minutes you're gonna have to get stamped uh but we can also do ballistic rated doors too everybody's doing safe rooms these days so i see these safe rooms and i i ask the difference is this just to protect you from a tornado or do you want to protect you from a 357 a bullet resistant door you bet we can do any of these panel doors with a ballistic radiator on it dude bullet resistant so there is this just got a lot more energy yes a lot of our higher end homes there's always a safe room and so there is there is lined metal in the middle of it and they kind of layer everything else around it and literally you can go there's different levels so you know the beginning level may stop a 22 and they go all the way goes all the way up to an rpg you know rating so just depends on the application but how about client call me i want to build that yeah that sounds really good i can't tell you who that is i know you said okay all right so we talked about exterior doors uh certainly we're going to provide a frame that's going to have weather stripping on it and then we have a number of different threshold options okay the first threshold option we're going to show you is from one of our manufacturers that makes a retractable deck sill okay so first off all the contractors [Laughter] we'll talk retractable here in just a minute this is dura's rds replaceable deck silk that's right so you've been very familiar with that so as a as a contractor you can appreciate that at least we try to send these out with a protective cover on it but that doesn't always protect from all the job site wear and tear that yeah we're doing a few sills and had to break out the sawzall over the years to replace the still out it's never fun that's right so this system right here is aaron's showing you uh say if we had a uh a stone mason drop a brick or a piece of stone on there and this gets all dented up oh you're actually gonna pull it out for us aaron yeah i like it and i would suggest waiting till the very end of the job to do this don't wait until a month out because you may be doing it again uh but aaron's gonna show with just a uh a uh i've done this demo a couple times before simulating all right you just put it in that front groove here turn this around so you can see that front groove real quick if you don't mind sorry to take over here by the way there's no there's absolutely no wood in this threshold by the way it's all synthetic and metal so that's another event this up and now it's going to slide out right now we can take the deck off that's sick yeah i like that we can bring the replacement deck right back on and it'll snap into place you're going to mallet that in place and that could be place any one of uh several colors too right that could be bronze or black or well that's a great silver if you misspecked it right and you didn't get the finish your homeowner wanted simple swiss or they switch hardware which happens occasionally all right so that's the uh the replaceable deck system so then we're going to get into the articulating threshold here which lowers and i'll let aaron kind of show you how that works so as the door closes it it closes snug up against that uh the articulating portion of that threshold door bottom is fixed but what's happening is that threshold right where the door bottom hits the endura seal it articulates it kind of moves up and down it's a little hard to see there but it's uh but it's actually doing this action and moving up and down as the it's up here the door closes it's down it provides a little bit of pressure on it look through this hole right here if we can oh there you go and that's what i was thinking about when we're when we're talking retractable what he's looking at right here is this is moving a little hard to tell here but that's exactly what's happening there and tell me about the difference on this jam i'm seeing two different colors on this jam yeah so this illustrates our our frame saver jam technology that we've used for nearly 20 years i believe is that right so the bottom six to four to six inches is a synthetic material so again aaron was talking about the cellulose of the wood and how vertically that water is drawn to be drawn up the jam this prevents that provides a block basically uh doesn't allow the water to move up there so it's it's been great for us and really cuts down on those calls i love it guys we're running short on time i've only got 11 minutes left in the program i've got 437 questions we need to answer no not quite that many uh we do have some great questions from the crowd and by the way if you're watching this uh later that's been taped make sure you sign up for our newsletter i'll have a link in the description below so you'll get informed on these and you make sure you know when we're doing these we do this about once a month or so we call it our live build show and i'd love to have you join us live so that as questions come up you can throw it on here and i'll be able to answer those for you several good questions but let me start with this one from tom cross can a multi-point lock be used on a 20-minute fire-rated door between the house and the attached garage in other words you just have to use the standard double bore or there are other locking multiple point locks that can be added as well yes we can utilize any type of lock system with that um the advantage to us having a cnc or actually a couple cnc's that are at our plant we certainly can mill to any type of hardware specifications now we will tell you that they're usually going to provide a template and we always ask for the real hardware templates are great we like to have the real hardware in hand so if you're thinking about that buy your hardware ahead of time give that to your rep make sure they get it done right yeah that's a great one hey adrian has a great question next doors are a small component of the overall building i'm assuming he means exterior doors but what about the difference between air tightness and thermal performance between doors great question all these doors we've talked about today have been basically slab doors that can be ordered from a manufacturer and then built at bmc millwork or other millwork uh firms around the country you can also through bmc or others bmc reps marvin and anderson and some others you can also order a door let's say from marvin when you order next-door exterior door from marvin if there's glass in it or other components usually that's going to be a clad door and there's going to be a sticker on it that has a rating it's going to have a u factor it's going to have a solar heat gain coefficient number on there and these guys at bmc or others can help you order that as well so that it might be a component in your house that's going to be passive also related that's what my house is and i worked very closely with my window and door guys to make sure that the window and doors were a part of my overall efficiency when we talk about insulated exterior doors there's going to be an r value on those but the air tightness is going to be good but maybe not quite as good as a passive house braided door and usually when we think about a window and door manufacturer like the marvins andersons of the world usually that air tightness is going to step up to the next level you're going to have multi-point locks that door is going to really push into the weather stripping there might be more than one weather stripping as well all stuff to think about adrian great question this is kind of a random or not a random this isn't a more overall generic question from jeff williams does bmc make their doors in dallas or do they have similar plants in other areas of the country in other words is everything coming out of dallas well that's a great question dallas is one of our largest mill shops okay but we have numerous door hanging plants around the country now that's door hanging in dallas we showed you on the tours that you saw the videos of that we can custom make doors and i believe we have five or six facilities around the country that do that yeah okay gotcha so in other words when you're ordering doors where i used to i used to work in portland oregon i was a bmc customer that was when i first started using bmc 18 years ago they had a mill shop in portland where i was and so my doors were coming locally and that that's the case uh for a lot of parts of the country and i think uh bmc has 140 150 locations around the nation it's something like that and i want to make another point here on on the custom door shop okay even though we've only got five or six custom door shops around the country those custom door shops are available to any any bmc location any market that we serve currently they can call us and interface with us and send us the specs and we can produce those doors in those custom shops for the other markets got it um this didn't come from questions but we talked about this earlier and i think this is worth repeating if you're doing a remodel and you want to change out your doors let's say what suggestions do you have for the remodelers watching this in terms of ordering doors should they order a slab door and have their finished carpenter figure out how to put it in the hole or should they do another option uh what do you think about that chris pre-hang them i mean that's the that's the the quick answer uh what you'll find out when you're remodeling a home a 2-0 door isn't always a 2-0 door you know 20 we think a 2-0 door being 24 inches wide by you know 6 8 80 inches tall the newer standards are more undersized so a 2-0 door may be 23 and 13 16 by 79 and a quarter so if you're doing remodeling yourself get a professional to come out there and measure those for you if you're just changing out the slabs maybe you're in a historical home and you want to keep the casing and that jam intact and i understand that but if you're just trying to save a few bucks go ahead and get the the the the door pre-hung you're gonna spend a little more money but i promise you in the end you'll make it up on the left you're gonna make it up yeah that's exactly registration level that's right yeah that's a great advice uh if you're in a historic home certainly you're gonna have a great finished carpenter that's going to fit that door in the opening and keep that all that historic uh trim but if you're in a more modern house a house from you know 1950 on let's say i would just pull that door out and replace it with a new one uh great question matt by the way just kidding uh i mean this is a great question from an anonymous person i'm in the very early stages of a modern gut renault and want to use flush mount interior doors throughout what would be the best type of door to achieve that very streamlined look so we illustrated a couple different options earlier you've got you know depending on your price point you've got hollow core slab doors it's going to be entry level you've got a solid core hardboard door that's going to be a upgrade from that and then you got the premium grade that's going to be completely engineered you can do inlays in you can do uh cuts that angle cuts that are going to show reveals um it's unlimited you can inlay steel all types of stuff in there that door is primed it's gonna hold up very well uh it's a great modern look and speaking of modern look another question that's kind of a piggyback on that john raynon said what type of door frame do you recommend if you want no casing meaning your frame itself is going to be exposed i was in a house not too long ago that was a very expensive resale modern house and they basically just took a door that was meant to have casing on it didn't install the casing had this regular detail and honestly it looked terrible um talk to me about how a builder can uh can pull that off will you take that one air force we talked about this last night at dinner you bet um and and you had you had another question there before about what technologies are coming that allow us to do more things so so frames so frames specifically we see a lot of advances in frames okay in fact in some applications where we want that flush look all right we will thicken the frame to an inch and three quarter like a door we'll make it like we make the style and rail of a door with lvl core okay and that does a few things for us that lets us put hidden hinges in it that are completely back they don't go through and then you have to find the the stud with those okay and it gives you it gives you a flat to work with and work up to and there are so many different applications as you know matt about ways to marry sheetrock to those wide flat jams okay but they're they're true square corners right they're not rounded or eased corners which kind of betray the look right and they give you the flat spot you need to work with we can also modify those with kerfs in the back if you have different you know channels you want to run whatever so a lot of applications any you know most of the reps can tell you about all those and uh and on that question too uh john who asked that i actually have made a couple videos about that uh that kind of modern flush no casing door there's a million ways to do it uh made several videos about that because it's a question i get a lot so go check out my playlist on interior doors or i think it's actually a finished carpentry playlist that will that will have some of those details we are running out of time y'all and i don't want to go late we had lots of good questions i'm sorry we couldn't get to all those um let's see is there a way that i might be able to actually answer some of these in the comments below we're gonna post this also to youtube and to buildshownetwork.com guys i really appreciate you joining us and huge thanks to these two guys right here aaron and chris fantastic reps for bmc lots of good information if you're not currently a build show subscriber hit that subscribe button below if you're watching this on youtube we'd love to have you join us 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