- LeeAnn, the very last
one that we believe saw Randy Leach alive that night at the party. We have a 45 minute interview
coming up right now. But before you jump into that if you have not already done so and you've not seen episode
one, and episode number two of Randy Leach, you're going
to want to start there. This is one of those cases
where I still want to believe that this was an accident,
but the more and more that we get into this, Sam ... - Having our doubts. - I don't know which
direction this is going to end up when Randy is found. My
heart goes out to LeeAnn because as you're going
to see in the interview she kind of has that guilt as to "what if I didn't go to
the bathroom that night? What if I would've just
taken Randy straight home? Would Randy be here and alive tonight?" And with that, I mean this is weighed on her
for the past 32 years. So here we are 32 years
later talking about this with LeeAnn, the very last
person to have seen Randy Leach alive that night. So stay tuned. This is one interview, you're
not going to want to miss. Thank you for joining us with LeeAnn who is the very, what
we believe is possibly the very last person, that
saw Randy Leach alive. And I let's just kind of jump,
let's just jump into this. Like, who are you? You know, an old classmate of Randy's. Take us from there. Introductions, LeeAnn. - Okay, well then you're welcome. - Yeah. Thank you. - It was a pre-graduation party and I was scheduled for a
Friday evening after school. It kind of popped up quick. - And when you say that
it popped up quick, like nobody really knew that this party was happening until the day of? - No, probably that week before,
like, I think I found out about it on Wednesday
and it was Friday night. - Okay - And she said she assumed
that I already knew I'm talking about Kim Erwin. - Okay. - And she had asked me to come over early and help her set up. - Now, Kim was new to the area. And were the two of
you friends before this or you know how she wanted to make sure that you were invited? - Well, we were both new to Linwood. I came the year before in my junior year. She came her senior year. - Okay. - So she was there the whole year and this was a pre graduation
party about a month before we graduated. We were to graduate May 17th. So I did show up early. I got over there probably
around six o'clock that night. Her mother left for a brief period of time to go get party supplies
which included the punch ingredients that people have talked about. - And with those punch ingredients they they're referring
to as green alcohol. - Some people say green alcohol
but it was actually Vodka. - Okay. - I was able to go back with it. I was there when she
mixed it up. I was there when we carried it outside,
put it on the table originally then moved back in the house. - Okay. - It was open to everybody because it was such a small thing.
And it was a graduation party. We thought just for ourselves,
for the Linwood kids but that's not what it turned out to be. - Okay. Now, now backing
up to her mom, you know her mom, to kind of
describe her mom, you know wanted to be the cool mom,
the I'm going to, you know supply the alcohol for everybody. Or how did, you know, how
did all this take place? - She wanted to be the cool mom, sort of. She wanted to make money also off of this. - So, so the rumor is true that she's selling this
punch to everybody. - Oh absolutely, yes. - So this was not a gift
graduation. This is a, hey, come on over I need to make money. - The gift was someplace to party away from your parents basically. - Okay. - So unfortunately, you
know, it wasn't just us Linwood kids and a lot
of the Erwin friends and family from in town,
Kansas city came out there. There was tension at the
party between the Kansas city people and Linwood people
and I think that's what drove off a lot of
Linwood kids because by, when I would say mid party, most of the Linwood
graduating class was gone. - Okay. So as far as the
graduating class, I mean 33 in it of the 33, how many of them
were initially at the party? - I was going to say between 25 and 28 I'd have to actually sit down and write out a list to give you an actual number. But the majority of them stopped by at some point in the night. - Okay. - It was only a couple of that never were at the party at all. - And was it normal for
Randy to go to parties? - It was not normal for him
to come to a party like that and stay a long time. A lot of us used to just get together on the weekends and wherever
we happened to gather. And he would sometimes stop by sometimes hang out for an hour, sometimes a few minutes just to swing
through and say, hi and bye. - Okay. - So no it wasn't typical for him to stop at regular parties. - Okay. And again, I'm asking
you questions as they pop into my head before I
let you just kind of like I try to be quiet, but I
have a rough time with it as anybody knows it, watches. - I prefer questions. (laughs) - And so with Randy, my
understanding also is that when he did pop into the
parties, I mean, he was more of a, "Hey, are there sodas
available" type of a guy? - Yes. Or, you know, in the summertime how it was really hot, he
would like drink a beer, - Aha ... - And then he would carry
the second one around and make everybody think
he was drinking a beer. - Okay. - And I think anybody who
been out working in the heat in those hot summer nights,
would take anything cold. - And, and with the kids
that were there, I mean was it kind of known in
the community that, "Hey Randy has an open
relationship with his parents that he's not hiding to his peer. He's not hiding that he does
drink on occasion" or, you know was there another side of Randy that was kind of kept from
his parents as you know some of us kids did back in the day? - I never saw him do
anything that he would be afraid to let mom and dad know or afraid if mom and dad found out. - Okay. - He just wasn't that kind of guy. Didn't really talk about
an open relationship but you could tell they had
a good relationship. - Right. - You know what I mean? - So take us back to your arrival. So I'll try to, now that
we've kind of set the stages you know, Randy, and you
know, your awareness of him. So let's kind of take
it back to you showed up early with Kim, you guys
are setting up the party. Mom is, you know, come
back with the Vodka. Where does it go from here? - Well, she made the punch and like I said, it started outside. And too many people were
like getting access to it. I guess. So they brought it inside. So in order to have access
to the punch, you had to go through somebody in the
Erwin family to get to it. - Okay. - I spent most of my time outside. My boyfriend and I at the
time I spent the majority of the early part of the
evening out by the bonfire. And at first it was okay. Kim's friends had like a
guitar and were sitting by the fire playing music,
but that's, you know, they were a little bit older. They started passing around
joints amongst themselves. By earlier in the night had been smoking with some of the Linwood people
who were supplying the weed at that, for that round or whatever. - And are we talking about kids at the party or are we
talking like, you know, does Flanigan come into this? Or like where's this coming
from from the local area? - I actually don't know
Flanigan. Never met him. If I did. I wouldn't know that I met him. I did work at three places
in Linwood town here so I'm sure I did see him at some point but far as I know, the weed
that was being smoked by the Linwood kids were just whatever
they had personally acquired for personal use. - Okay. - And I would think the
same thing at the time I was thinking the same thing
of the Kansas city people, and they were happy to smoke
what the Linwood kids had but they didn't want to share. - Right - When their turn came around. And that's kind of where
some of the tension started, was out there in the field. And that's what broke
up part of the party. - Okay. - Because it just became very apparent. Well, actually the whole
night was uncomfortable. It was weird when people who were not part of Linwood showed up. Because in the early hours, even the underclassmen stopped by. 'Cause it was the first big party of the warm up of the year and
a lot of them stopped by. But even they said, it felt weird to them, you know, they always
we're so excited to be, you know, seeing the party
but they all left out later. - Right. - As the night progressed,
there was really nobody out in the pasture except
for the kids to save people. And when that happened,
I started hanging around a little bit with people
in the garage that were from our school, who at that
point were also older kids from our school they like graduated in the year prior, two years prior. And after my boyfriend left,
I just started walking around talking to different groups,
wherever they were at. And that's how I came upon Randy. - Okay. - In this condition that he was in, was outside in the driveway. And I was kind of at that
point, ready to go home myself - And that kind of a timeframe. So, I mean, you showed
up at what time at Kim's? And at what time did the tension start? And then what time are we at now? - So I got there about six o'clock. And there was a lot of come
and go people between like six and 10. - Okay. - And at 10 o'clock, 9:30,
10 o'clock is when a lot of the older class men started showing up. The Kansas city people started showing up. And everything is, you know,
okay for an hour or so. Around 11 is when a lot
of people kind of started moving around the room comfortable trying to find a spot to settle in. And by midnight I'd say
a lot of people had left. And then, like I said I started just kind of
mingling around with people. And I even went down in Kim's bedroom for a while and just hung out down there. And at that point in
time decided, you know I'm going to make my rounds,
say goodbye to everybody. I'm going home. This
is around one o'clock. So by the time I kind
of made my way through and talked to people. It was around 1:30 when I
started going to my car. And that's when I ran into Randy. He was really goofed up. I mean, now as a medical professional, I recognize that what he was exhibiting was not alcohol intoxication. - Okay. - It was something much different. I can't give to a degree
of medical certainty what it really was, to me
it would be what most people today call a roofie, the
drugs that they're using in that instant and that's GHB. - Okay. - It had started coming onto
the scene back in the '80's. It wasn't huge back then, but
it had started showing up. He couldn't, I mean he
didn't even have control of his fine motor skills. He
was barely able to stand up. He was very slurry in his
speech. And he kept trying to he was talking about his keys. "He can't find his keys. He can't find his keys. He's got to get home and
can't find his keys." So he's trying to get his
hands into his pockets and he can't. You can't
make that fine skill work for him at that point. So I actually looked for his keys. - Okay. - Hands in his pockets. He didn't have them in the shirt pockets. There were no keys. So I'm
like, I will take you home. Let's get in my car. But I
got to go to the bathroom. So I put him in my car and
locked him in, had my keys, went up to the house. I was
gone maybe like 15 minutes, total. There were two
people in front of me in line for the bathroom. - Aha. - By the time I got back
to my car, Randy was gone. - Okay. So, so let's,
let's pause right there while there's a few things
in my head, you know? So you, as a medical
professional, you understand what you know, alcohol, you know
what being drunk looks like. You understand what the
difference with, you know, being high is. And you're saying that this was
not either one of those two. And was there anything
throughout the evening with anybody else that you experienced or witnessed that there was any other type of a drug that may have been
at the party that night? And if so, was anybody else
experiencing the same thing? - There was nobody else experiencing what I saw Randy experiencing, but there were other drugs of
the party, at least cocaine. - Okay. - I know for sure it was there because I was in the house. I saw it. - In among the students or among the parents that were there? - I would say it was in complete control of the adults there. - Okay. And they were not letting
the children partake of it, or it was a summer? - I never saw them let
somebody else do it. But I heard from other
people that they had done it. - Okay. - Well this was after the fact. - Okay. - Because they were
like, "Oh it was so cool we were able to get coke at the party" - Right. - Kind of thing. - And then with your vehicle
kind of in relation to if you can kind of give
us a overview for us to try to understand, where was your car? Where was Randy's car at? You know? 'Cause there's a few
things that we had heard from this as well, but
maybe let, let me bring that in right now. Was Randy's car parked in the
driveway over at Flanagan's? - I don't know. - Okay. So you never saw where
Randy's mom's car was parked? - I didn't specifically
look at cars that night. It was when I started looking,
I was looking just for him. - Okay. Another story that we
have heard is Theresa, past girlfriend, wanted
to be a girlfriend. Was she involved with anything? - They started dating type of girl. - Okay. So they were together? - They were and when I met her, I met her through him at staff. - Okay. And is she
involved with any of these drugs stories that we've
heard that she was in the drug world and that he
wanted to help get her out of it? - That was my understanding as well. Yes. - So it was kind of a known thing. - Kind of always she was
somebody you could approach to get something you needed. - Okay. - After I knew who her
name was I had heard people talk about Theresa or some
people called her Red. - Okay. - That you could approach
her to get stuff worked. Because of the drug thing, I just had an aversion to drugs. - Right. - Because of prior life
experience with my family members. And so I didn't have a lot of
the details of the, you know, I wanted to go buy a bag
of weed who I would go to? I'd have to go somebody I knew who did it who then would say. But the
guys I dated did like to smoke a little weed and
they would say, you know "Can you call your brother to get some?" I'm like, "No, no, no." I'm like, "Who else does it?" You know? And of course
they knew who did it, didn't know how to get
hold of that person. - Yeah. - Yeah. And then they would
make the connections slowly one person at a time. - In a small town, small school,
or even in big schools too I mean, yeah. You just
know who those circles are. - Yeah. - And so with that, you know, was Randy ever known to give
into any type of peer pressure or he was strictly a, "Give
me my soda or give me one beer if it's a hot and I'm
going to carry around the second one all night"? - Yeah. Pretty much. I mean, if there wasn't
something else to drink, I mean there was even times where he
would have like a McDonald's cup in this vehicle ... - Aha. - And we'd get ice and water out of the bottom of the ice chest. But now we know that's gross (interviewer laughs) But back then ... - Yeah, can't believe back in the day we used to actually Bob for apples. - Yes, exactly. - Yeah. - But no, I mean, he was never, he just wasn't into it. He liked his people that
he went to school with his friends and liked to connect with them but didn't want to get around
with what everybody else was doing because I mean
we would stay up late. - Right. - Especially when we were
down by that one bridge over Stranger was super easy for me. It was a mile from my house. I walked. - Right. - Kind of thing. And one of the people did too park the car at my house and walk down to the bridge. - Okay. So, okay. So, so now here we are, you we're just in line at the restroom 15 minutes later, Randy you locked Randy inside of your car? - I did. - Okay. And where was your
car in relation to the bathroom in the house
and where this was at? - If, if my knees are in the house and the road is down here, my car was right here on
the side of the house. - Okay. - But close to the run way. - Okay. - Because I didn't want to get stuck there if I decided to leave. - Okay. So 15 minutes later
you come back, Randy is gone. - Randy was gone. The other door's locked, the passenger door is open. - Okay. - Unlocked. - And open or? - No, it was closed. It was just unlocked. - Just unlocked. - And so I thought, you know,
he was so messed up in the car you know, I just thought
he was drunk back then. First thing you think he was
puking when you're that messed up. So I thought maybe he'd
let himself out of the car to get sick. Maybe he had
fallen down in between the car or in between any of the
other cars that were parked in that area. I think there was like
eight cars parked there if remember right. They were in that little square patch. And then the other cars
laying the driveway all the way up and around. - And tension at the party
between the, you know, the new school that has come in. But were there any fights that broke out? any verbal? - No, I never heard or
saw any physical fighting. - And nothing towards Randy? So you never saw Randy that evening get into any confrontation? - I had seen him earlier before 1:30. - Okay. - Walking around but at that point he was somewhere else. I was still with my boyfriend and we were kind of arguing
ourselves that night, and I didn't get a chance to talk to him when he was out there at that time. But then I saw him later at, around 1:30. And when I saw him the
first time in the distance, he seemed fine. He wasn't stumbling. He wasn't, you know what I mean? Just looked normal. And I wish I could think
exactly what time that was that I saw him but in the
mix of it I don't remember exactly the first time I saw him. - Right. - But when I saw him
the second time I knew something was wrong. So I spent probably like
45 minutes looking for him. After I found him out of the car and I looked in between the cars. I looked all around the pasture. I even went all the
way up to the wood line and I entered them, just
crisscrossing back and forth making rounds in the
house outside the house, around the farm. And it wasn't that big of an area that I didn't
couldn't make several passes in 45 minutes. - Yeah. And so with all
these passes, you know, coming back to the car, you
didn't know what he was driving. You didn't know where he was parking. So therefore you couldn't even identify if he had found his keys and
if he had driven his car off. Okay. - And if I had, what if I had specifically would have looked for a car I probably would have looked for his truck. - Right. - And not the Dodge. - 'Cause it was very rare that
he ever drove his mom's car. - I always saw him in the truck. - Okay. - I don't know if I ever
maybe one time on our house I saw him drive her car. - Yeah. So then you leave the
party. At what point did you make a decision to leave the party after you're like Randy Randy's
lost cause at this point? I can't find him. - Yeah, After like 45 minutes of looking I figured you know, he had left. - Okay. - So I decided to, being
how messed up he was, I decided to spend the
next 45 minutes just driving the roads. - Right. - Looking for him. Looking
for the car or the truck. I mean I would have noticed
any reader who parked on the side of the road that night or somebody else who could have
been messed up in the hotel. And I drove what I feel like
was the most common routes that as kids we used going
from different areas. One route that apparently
he traveled a lot. I traveled part of that route. I traveled up to the bridge
that's not there anymore and right across it where I turned around at Penn Bill's house and headed back 'cause I wanted to go back to what we call Red bridge
named after that bridge because it used to be red. And there was over a little
levy for a farmer's field. You'd go down to the water there. And there was probably 30 yards of small trees between that
field and the water's edge - Aha. - But we'd also cleared out a lot of it to use for firewood
through the years down there. So that was someplace
that everybody knew about. And there were people who had left the Erwin's place down there that night. - Okay. So there were two
parties going on that night? - Yeah, they, that one busted. So they went to the noble spot
and built a fire down there. - And you made it down there
after leaving the party? - Yes. - Can you verify that Randy was not, was not at the new party? - Yeah. He was not down there. No I hadn't seen him
down there that night. - Okay. - So I went ahead and went
out a little bit further and took them over, you know, the surface rooms that
were available at the time just to look to see if
maybe he didn't want to drive the windy roads,
let's get on the pavement. You know, I spent 45
minutes. It's not a big area. So I've covered pretty much every road that was out here anywhere that should have
been a way home for him. And I never saw anything or the car. - Now nobody at the party
cared as much as you did being the very last one to see him and that you put them in his car and that you spent this
time looking at the party. Now you're looking, you know, after you left the party as well. I mean, the relationship that you guys had as friends in school, I mean,
was there ever a boyfriend girlfriend relationship there as well? - No, but you know, your first
day of new school's tough. - Aha. - And although the guidance
counselor had gathered some people to meet me and, you
know, introduce me to, you know, so I get to have some faces to deal with. None of them have offered
to show me around. But Randy said, "Well,
let me show you around." Nobody else offered me and
you could see it on everyone else's faces like, "Duh we didn't even think
about showing you around." - Right. - So that was the very first
spontaneous kindness shown to me at Linwood. - Right. - An early impression. - Yeah. So you knew that
he needed help that night. So at this point you've
had a year and a half two year relationship of
being friends with Randy? - Right. All seniors. - Okay. - Of course I met him first day of school in junior year and then
until last month was senior. - Yeah. And, and so now you've given
up the search for the evening. When did you now hear? You went home. What time is it when you arrived home? And then when did you hear the news break that Randy is missing? - I specifically remember
looking at the clock when I got home, because
it was I didn't really have a curfew, but it was implied
that it would be nice if I'd be home by three. - Okay. - And it was 3:03 when
I walked in the door. - Okay so 1:30 we'd lost Randy, 45 minutes searching at the party. Another 45 minutes. 3:03
is when you arrived home. Okay. - And then the next, when I found out that Randy was missing was
when Harold showed up at the door the next day. - Okay. And what time was that? - I think it was around 9:30
in the morning for some reason, but don't hold me to that. - Okay. - And so with Harold, you know with them finding out at five or 6:00 a.m What time was it when ... - [Lady voice] 6:30. - 6:30 in the morning, How did we choose to focus on LeeAnn? Suddenly? Like we knew
that she was closer then or like you just started going
down the list of friends? - Pretty much. We had someone who
would come here and say, "Hey, check here. Did you
check there with them?" And that's what we would do. - And so what's going through
your head at this moment in time? and you know, you could offer up no more information than what you just shared with us. - Well, I was scared for him because of what I had witnessed of
his condition that night. - Right. - And then I couldn't find him. And by the time that he
came over to our house my boyfriend had actually come over. He was like, "what do you mean?" Kind of thing. You know,
he hadn't heard anything about Randy's condition that night 'cause he had left early because, well we just hadn't already
been, he wasn't home. So he was upset about it. And I don't know what the thinking was but I remember taking Harold down to where we used to party
down there, that day. And then he dropped us back
off after we looked around down there and then he
went on his way to look, to talk to other people. And we decided we were going
to go start looking too. And we just walked around
everywhere that we could think of anywhere close because
my boyfriend lived on the same room, his
nearly best buddy lived on the same room, but lived
right next to the party house. And we all hung out together. So we walked all around out
there looking in that area. We looked in the cemetery up there and just started going to places where we could think to look. - And at this moment now you
know that we're looking for Alberta's car. - Right. - Okay. - Right. And ... - Were there any, was there anybody within your class that was acting strange or suspicious now that Randy is missing? - A lot of them acted a
little bit weird, honestly. - As though they knew
what may have happened? Like I guess where's
your feelings in this? I mean, are we looking at an accident? Are we looking at, you know,
where where's your heart taking you where's your
gut taking you on this? - My personal belief is
that it wasn't an accident. Somebody actually did something to him. - Okay. So you believe that somebody came and took him out of the car? - That's my belief. - Okay. - Just, I don't know a
belief or just a gut feeling? I've kind of always thought that way. - And are we leaning towards
locals within their school? Are we dealing with a, we may have had ... - Locals and the surrounding area. - Okay. Not, not the Kansas city kids? - No. - Like we don't believe them at all. They were just at the
party they caused tension but we don't believe that they
had anything to do with this. - I think the people at
the party were an older stoner group who didn't want to mess with a bunch of high school
jocks and cheerleaders. And that's where that tension came from. - Okay. - More than anything else. And they just didn't want
to share what they had. And when I've learned
through the years is that's the wise thing to do. Between
the city and the country, you live in the country,
you share everything. - Right. - In the city you hold on what you got. But I think that there were people from our age group all the way
up to twice our age involved in it from when I Lyon
County and Johnson County. - Do you have a gut feeling as to why? - There had been some
talk prior to the party about, you know it was great
that Randy had a new girlfriend or was working on
getting a new girlfriend, but maybe his choice
could have been better. That she was known to
travel within the circle of people who move the drugs in our area. And that he had made a
statement that if they didn't leave her alone, he
was going to turn them in or expose them or whatever. And that rumor was actually
heard before the party. But again, it's a rumor. - Right. - But yet something happened
at the party was that an opportune time? He was away from home, he was in the dark, there was
a bunch kids who were drunk and high. Not paying attention. Didn't really care what
was going on elsewhere. I mean, when you're hanging out with kids and they're wrestling
around and being silly and you're stupid, you hear
real screaming and whatnot. So you probably would,
wouldn't even pay attention if you did hear something. And I think I've always
been more aware of things. I don't think I've ever
shared with anybody here that I witnessed a
murder when I was three. - Oh, wow. - So that was in my head my whole life. And maybe made me
hypervigilant about things. I don't know. - How many people do you feel
as though may be involved? And you know, do you feel like any of them are ready to, you
know, "It's 32 years later. I need to get this off my chest. Harold and Alberta need to know."? - I think there were three for sure Involved in the actual
murder and others involved in helping get rid of the
evidence of the murder. I think that, you know, there's been a lot of people who had said
that Randy is buried in the woods and they
dumped the car in some body of water or knew somebody
in town who could take care of it in person. Messes go away. - Right. - He would have to have
the kind of connections to make that happen as
far as crushing the car. But there's a lot of water around here and there's a lot of easy access to it. And you know, just between their house and the two boat ramps, you have your door and you have the pseudo, - Yeah we're finding a lot
of water around here. Yeah. - And then Edwardsville
also has a boat ramp that at the time this
happened was very remote. There was no housing close to it at all, either it was a waterfront
park parking area and access to the river. That was it. And driving, you know,
when it was cold outside we couldn't hang out
and party outside, a lot people would cruise from Linwood to Bonner Springs. And sometimes just
cruise to Bonner Springs sometimes cruise Bonner
Springs and Edwardsville and these mapping blues. Seeing who you ran into,
then you would stop and talk, or whatever. And so, our access to Lauren's, if we wanted to go do something like go get a
really good meal or something in town, we would go to the
back way through your door. So everybody know about your door too. So I mean, we're, such a small town here that everything you
need, is somewhere else. - Right. - You're used to driving. So, you know, somebody who would
speculate that it would be, everything would be kept right here. But if you're really
trying to hide something when you want to go to the furthest point of your territory or what you
perceived as your territory that's just what I think. I know that's not everybody's belief other people think he had an accident and that's very possible. It's just not what I feel happened. 'Cause I don't understand
how he could not have keys when I put him in my car. And within that 15 minutes, get his keys and leave, and leave to
the point where, you know, there was no sign of him having
had an accident anywhere. - Right. - [Elizabeth] Right. And
my question would be, how was Kim acting the next day with you? I mean, was she acting strange in any way? I mean, did she have any ... - She, when I saw her, it
was later in the afternoon by the time I got over there,
and I just asked her what's going on and she just started
crying and turned around and walked down to the house. That was the reaction I got from her. She only came to school a
few more days after this, and she wasn't there every day
of the week until graduation. No, she knew. I think it got
to the point where they just made arrangements because
she just wasn't there. I only had one class with
her that was first hour. And there were people who
were outright kind of ganging up on her at times. So ... - So, do we feel like the Erwin's left because of something that they
may have been involved in? Or we feel like they left
because of the pressure of the way that they were
perceived after this? And my understanding is they like like they completely moved, moved. - Maybe. I think it's
a little bit of both. - And what do you feel
about the house fire? - That one was absolutely intentional but it was probably for insurance money. - Okay. So, so we don't feel like it was covering up
bloodstains or anything else. Like, because you were in the house. - I was in the house. - So nothing happened in the
house that you're aware of? - Not I'm aware of. - And you don't feel like it happened? Nothing happened in the house? - No, I don't. - Okay. So we're dealing with insurance fraud. - 'Cause remember there were small kids in the house that were being made to stay in their bedrooms. - Okay. - Who are coming into their preteen years and early teen years were rotten just like any other kid that
age, (giggles) you know, when something like that's going on. So they kept getting, showed
back into their bedrooms. But I did spend time down in the basement. And I've heard so many people, especially on the third of the drill
from your prior episodes about he was killed and
buried in the basement. Well, people don't think
to themselves in fact somebody went specific to the point that he's 20 feet deep under that old basement. But people forget that there
is no ability to have any kind of large equipment to come in there. You would have had to
between at the very latest of some reports at four in the morning. So we'll say between 1:30
and four in the morning and then to the next day when the Leachs did get over there, which was early. They would have had the bus
set up the concrete by hand, dig a hole by hand, firming it filling the dirt perfectly,
so they could then apply new cement that matched perfectly. - Right. - Because it is my
understanding that the basement was looked at in the first couple of days. No? So nobody ever searched the house? - [Harold] No it took them 5 1/2 weeks. Just to go up and check the grounds. - Well then let me add this that, I don't want to give this name on camera but I'll give you his name
who had been down there after the fact, and said
that everything was normal in the basement. - Okay. So we have an eyewitness? - So somebody who had been
in the basement prior to and after the fact. - [Harold] Now, the way I understood, As far as Mr. Spellman told me that they checked everything and I said, "you've checked everything?" You know? And I was getting pretty
adamant about what did you do? You know? And he said, "Harold has sparked it." He said, "Harold, well, we didn't actually physically go check
everything. We didn't have to because Mrs. Erwin said we couldn't. So why? You know that's just the
attitude that they had. - Well, I searched every
room and that night. I searched every room that night
when I was looking for him. I went through the entire house, myself. I looked in the kids' bedroom. I didn't care that the kids were in there. I was looking for somebody. - [Harold] You didn't see anything? - No. The young, by the time I was looking the younger girls were
asleep and Dwayne and Billy was still watching TV in Dwayne's room. - This is a really tough
one for us. You know, one is because most of what
we focus in on is accidents. You know, people that have,
you know, on their own. And so for us to even be
taking this on and being in as deep as we are,
we're not here to find out who done it. See if it's a who done it. You know, we're here to simply get answers 32 years later of, you
know, where is Randy? And that's the message
that we want to get out to everybody is, you
know, if you, if this is you know, your gut, what
it's telling you, it's true, and there happens to be three, four, five, one of you at this
point in time, you know, please come forward
for Harold and Alberta. Let them know where their son is at. So that way we can bring
Randy home. You know, for everything that we're doing right now we're searching our specialty is, you know underwater search and recovery
of vehicles, you know? And so can we locate,
you know, Alberta's car? You know, is Randy going to be in the car? or have the two of them
have been separated for any reason? You know, Is he under the sand in the Kansas river? Is he under the mud in the,
you know, in Stranger Creek? Is he in one of these local quarries? Was it an accident? Because he didn't happen to find his keys or, you know. Or are we dealing with
a dumping of, you know, the car and Randy
somewhere else? You know. Has Randy been separated? But we don't have those answers. So we really appreciate
you taking the time with us this evening to share your story. You know, being the, what
it sounds like, you know, the very last person to have
ever seen Randy, you know, that evening and I would
hope that you have not, but I mean do you feel any responsibility
for Randy not being here? I know we're all wearing
masks are we allowed to touch? So It's not your fault. Okay. So you need to know that and I'm sure other people
have shared that with you too. I mean, we're going to do everything we can to find those answers for
you, for Randy, you know, for the Leach's for Harold
everybody in the community. Okay. I appreciate your time this evening. Is there anything else you
would like to share on this? - No. Other than with people who were surrounding those people, they know. It's hard to keep secrets in a small town, amongst the peer groups. So there are people around
the actors who know. They need to step forward. - So if what LeeAnn, you
know, is feeling is true, please do step forward. You know, anonymous in the description
down below, you know, if you need to send a letter
or a text or whatever, I mean there's several ways to
get a hold of Alberta. You know, Betty and Larry
post office box, you know, get ahold of me, who,
whoever, however, you know, if what LeeAnn is saying
in her gut is right, please help us out. 32 years later, let's
bring the answers home. Let's bring Randy home and the answers that the family needs. And we really appreciate your
time this evening on this one. And, you know, again, the
message that we want to get out to everybody, you know,
help us bring Randy home. If you know something,
say something, you know. If this is a secret that's
been, you know, haunting you for the past 32 years, make it
anonymous, just let us know. We're not here to solve
the who, who done this where in fact, I don't even think that at this moment in time, if I
look over at Alberta, I mean they don't care about the who done it at this moment in time, we
just need to bring Randy home. So we're going to continue to
focus on the accident portion of it, or if he's in the water, you know, and then there is later on this, you know the proper authorities and agencies will take care of it from there. But LeeAnn, thank you very much. - Thank you for coming. - Absolutely. So thank you
for being here with this. Do you stay tuned and there's
links in the description down below, because next up,
we're also going to have more of an in-depth personal
conversation with the Leach's as well. So thank you for being here this evening and we'll see you soon. Thanks. Bye bye. (soft music)
