Are we right to dismiss astrology?

well an interview with the Conservative MP David Trudeau neck has been published in the astrological journal the MP is quoted as saying I do foresee that one day astrology will have a role to play in health care and he also suggests that opposition to astrology is based on superstition ignorance and Prejudice including racial prejudice of course astrology is very ancient practice dating back 4000 years at least Mesopotamia and is still widely respected and used in India China Japan the Catholic Church however banded as a divination and in contradiction to God's gift of free will are we right to dismiss astrology well Shri Patman and Wales Ganesh temple central to Hinduism isn't it so do you make decisions on the basis of your astrological chart and so forth yeah we can take decision according to the horoscope charge it it doesn't mean you have to take decision according the horoscope sure it will help you to take the decision it will make make your life easy to take to take the decisions onion in your life say em they're examples a you just finished your study or say you're going to choose their studies and you are confused what you won't study in that case like you can use your horoscope to to take the decisions what do you want to study say which in which topic you will be am easy to stereo which way you can take the paths on your life say say if you want to study medicine or do you want to study engineering or in which way or which industry will be easier for you to study or carry on your life I understand so you would take the advice of a negative decision if it's at your own medicines maybe not for you you would perhaps steer clear of that yeah horoscope can and tell you exactly I'm going to change your mind yeah can I change your mind yeah you can change your mind oh you're changing your mother but it the horoscope but it's not saying if you study medicine you're not going to do it but everything else II what is called say you go into school but if you don't take exams you're not going to pass or fail yeah but you can try it yeah it is up to the up to the personal decisions but if you're going to use the horse if you use the horoscope it will tell you that if you study medicine it'd be easier or harder I understand if you I just want to say what while we have the time you know we have a lot of people on here discussing a lot of different things and sometimes people come on for example and discuss homeopathy we have that debate recently they claim there is science behind it what is behind this what's the do you believe the science what's the theory what's going on light beams or ember what is it yeah say em in her they say in this place and at this second the planets in the space they're producing the waves the energy that energy make a certain kind of vibration or in this in this place is make the vibration so if you go to move to laser London is going to be different vibration in this atmosphere if you move to the China is going to be a different vibration so that then the baby born in this vibration that baby's mental and the physical body is get used to the vibration so when it gets changed there because of the movements of planets and then movements of planets when it's the vibration to change their the babies or the person or that lives body and mental is fine difficult to add up that vibe the new vibration okay so I said the astrology basically want their life that's the science behind it remember hope your father your grandfather was a notable strong astronomy not astrology astronomy he studied the science of space you heard that there I kind of don't buy it I'm afraid and the reason is because the the star signs they're an accident in the sense that they're not actual cohesive units in space and I think we've got astronomy here will confirm this but it's just the way they look at them in a million years time all the star signs will look different because they're all moving relative to each other also dark matter the universe apparently is about 90 to 95 percent dark matter so 19 out of 20 bits of mass if you like in the universe aren't even catered for by astrology house on I was one time talking to an astrologer and said okay tell me about my future and she said well this year two years ago it was this year you're going to travel a lot I said yes we're on a ship you didn't really need to be an astrologer to work that out and and and if it was a proper science it would make measurable predictions it doesn't it's a lot of fun it doesn't harm people but I wouldn't bet the farm on it like I said Sarah as astronomer Sarah Jaffa you can understand that can't you why hundreds of years ago people know thousands of years ago with hundreds of years ago no light pollution people looked up at the sky and thought that's the that's the guiding light for our lives that's determining so much of what happens on earth and what you make of astrology did people ever say to you in it are you an astrologer well people do often get the two terms name astronomer astrologer they sound very similar and people who aren't in those fields it can be hard to distinguish I think the sky is such a beautiful thing and in the past when there was less electrician as he said it would have been even more so and I can see the fascination with it I see that today you know if I'm cycling home late at night I will stop and look at the stars because it is it is beautiful and I like looking at the constellations Orion is my favorite finding around makes me happy that's all good I think the problem comes between describing astrology as a science there are various definitions of Sciences to do with you know logical processes logical reasoning testing falsifiability astrology does not pass those tests it is it could be described as a religion or a faith or a set of beliefs or a way of deciding your life many people look for guidance in their lives in different ways through religion or through you know throwing a dice to decide what to do tomorrow basing your life decisions if you're not sure about something looking for guidance in astrology might help you make that decision it could be like tossing coin to you know when it falls you know what you really wanted to see hmm I think calling it science and suggesting that it should be useful on the NHS is a very dangerous suggestion LLC astrologist an astrologer as well to some very significant people or you know you advise a lot of top people I do you know I do I have clients that are barristers consultants I have clients that are in various other professional jobs and at the end of the day I always tell them what I will find and what I tell them whether it's a psychic we doing or whether it's partly astrology but I also do tell them that they have free will when they walk out of the door and I do actually and this is a rarity for me agree with the Tory MP that it is a form of discrimination to dismiss other people to dismiss other people's faiths and beliefs and quite frankly if we were all more tolerant and respected other people's faiths and beliefs then we would have a lot more peace in this world whether you want to call it a science or not is up to you but you believe it I mean can't believe it because what a capricorns like capricorns are very grounded people they're always very shrewd in work and money the capricorns I know are all usually high fliers there are a lot of capricorns are self-made millionaires you'll find libras there the scales of justice a lot of libras go into community work like Social Work justice doctors cancers are the nurturers they go into things like this one second what SATs are shining you lando well you tell me no we got I know you tell us he's got come to me Pisces Pisces what a Pisces like I see the water signs are very intuitive they were mantises they're dreamers they're very kind and caring people and we know what lamp it's love life has been like you're a dreamer happy hold your feet your description I know what you were you work hard do you do you not work right to you Lilly's arms I should well you should we stick us to earlier the MP's group second job very hard you do work hard don't you yes by the way you're brought up to work by parents who were not kept record by that you make grounded I don't think I'm petitioning oh you are grounded you'd and how you speak because you're down to earth and you get on with people in fines I like that yeah it's interesting because some people might say these are kind of you know generalizations and if you say to somebody like Stephen you're very hard-working you've got a lot of really loyal friends aren't you sometimes you're not sometimes you're not the Tydeus person in the world thank you and you're not really very good with money especially on sixty k67 Ares but so am I please yeah so my do you think there's anything in this at all and we have to be careful to dismiss it because millions of people the world over believing yeah I mean piss on clarity people to believe what they want to believe I do actually grew at the point that if people have more respect for different beliefs and faith and no faith am i open to be practicing Christie but I've huge respect for four humanists for example and I think if we have more tolerance between people that would be a better thing and personally I don't that you can describe astrology as a science I think that's a very important point and but you know if people wanna believe it and it makes them happy then I don't see a problem I know let me hear them I hear it's humanist cut a few minutes yeah yeah whatever floats whatever floats your boat what star sign are you well I was born in the middle of September I don't know what that makes you take any notice of these things because I think the thought they could divide the human race into twelve distinct groups to start off with is a bit ridiculous and when I read that a news story that saying that astrology could save the Na yes I had first of all check is this April the first and then I check to see her eating it I'm really beyond the daily mash or the onion it was risky wait wait a minute Elsie hang on you have interrupted and nearly every speaker today why should I do debate calmly it's listening to other people it would be nice you've said you want to tolerate other people it would be nice if you could listen I made a joke I think you should come host this program I think I was a perfect intervention carry on now to say it's a science and say oh you can call it a science if you want is ridiculous science is something it is very clearly defined the scientific method uses Theory the writing of somebody will come up with a theory the write scientific hey can I ask you about that evidence too bad I'm terrified I'm terrified too anyway interrupt you but but let me let me just say I know I'm still with you here Mike there have been in neuropsychological peer-reviewed magazines indications there are studies that show season of birth does affect temperament now these are peer-reviewed now people say scientists say is to do with natural vitamin D is to do with day length is to do with the production of serotonin and dopamine that's what they believe but there are statistically significant studies there are significantly significant studies that show the time where you born can make a difference but there is no scientific study whatsoever that shows that is anything to do with the position of the planets in the sky at the time I mean did astrology totally change when Pluto was discovered and that there was suddenly another planet LC LC do you want to come back in here yeah I do I predict that people we are an alive debate and I was actually making a joke I wasn't being insulting to you so I would say the time of the stars when you were born made you quite bad-tempered but there we go and I haven't ruled it a science astrology and at the end of the day if it does help people and people believe in it then so be it and there are as Niki has said you know studies that have proved certain traits about certain people and how they are and that's how they're made and virgos are normally perfectionists you know I've said about capricorns at the end of the day we do have free will but you keep asking for proof you disprove it then how can you do me one question it's not a question wait wait please please please movie and it's Virgo we do any virgos on the audience virgos in the audience right was this lady here in the blue can I can I ask you cutter are you a perfectionist I just are you are you a perfectionist my wife will tell you no but is there something that you're very sort of passionate about or the you you like things to be tidy or you your car has to be tired your siblings the virgos are normally very neat very tidy they're very hard work ladies well there goes our Venus my car as a tip do you make Ayane second do you make you work hard if you were nurse Oh exactly Elsie do you make decisions on the basis of for your own life or on what you might read in your charts no okay right I don't have eyes you don't tell yes a tiny little thing what's creeping in here that's making me a little bit nervous cuz I find it really patronizing if it makes you happy dear you can believe it now look I I'm not an astrologer I am perfectly willing to accept that there may be a lot in it but either there is or there isn't we may not be able to determine whether or not there is but this idea it makes you happy you know it doesn't matter whether it's true or not I'm a Christian not because it makes me happy but because I believe it to be true and I think that's a really important distinction we may not know yet we may not know for several hundred years it seems to me perfectly possible that pools of gravitational pools have an effect I don't know a too far away the moons are different right but the point I'm trying to make is don't let's think it's okay just if you believe it makes you happy let's discover when Richard in a minute Richard a well relative this debate has been about kind of newspaper astrology and I don't think that's not most of this discussion today has been about the kind of strategy you hear in news post was I think the original gentleman Surya was was as it were a different level of discussion yeah to be frank and I think his way of looking astrology is no more irrational than to believe in the big old dude in a white beard beyond the clouds who you know if you're if you start saying that God is doing this here and there then that gets problematic but that left define interventions I've got issues about the news Olympus ontology but how to say when I was at university I did psychical research research into extrasensory perception there was no doubt at all in our evidence that that some people have the psychic capability so in that sense well see what us too so the saying is really interesting I dismiss the zodiac as cosmic intervention under the actual physical zodiac I mean I think that was a useful vehicle when we didn't know more about astronomy but actually when it comes to the science of psychics a chap called JB Ryan almost 100 years ago pretty conclusively proves that we have extrasensory perception if we go down that path now you're talking I think it's a very dangerous idea that we shouldn't discriminate between different ideas you should never discriminate against people but of course you should discriminate against different ideas some ideas are true some aren't and with the NHS case we're talking about spending public money of course we shouldn't spend public money when when budgets are tight on things that are completely ideas for everything should be up for debate yes of course and this idea that because you can't disprove something therefore it must be true well I can't disprove that there aren't fairies at the bottom of my garden does that mean I should just accept that they're down there fairies fairies Oh fairies right thanks where you live or either yeah I'll see what else he last last word be interesting to see because I've seen this before the program will enter that people will be sideling up to you saying can I breathe oh yeah well yeah absolutely if anybody wants to come and see me they can at the end of the day what the Tory MP said about the NHS and bringing in things like astrology and other alternative therapies may take pressure off nurses and doctors I absolutely agree because there are certain holistic therapies that could work and we need to give credit to how hard of the people in the NHS work to make our country public better solutely you're working in lipstick and we're all going to help so many others get Roma thank you all very much thank you for your contribution today we'll be back next week so thanks for watching live long and prosper you

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Published: Sun Mar 01 2015

Reddit Comments

[u/CerebralBypass]

Yes. And the content of this video, whatever it may be, will not change that.

[u/Aceofspades25]

tldw; your truth is as good as my truth so what right do you have to tell me what is true and what is not?

[u/dannyduchamp]

Yup.

[u/johnnyslick]

I would really, really like to know the mechanism behind how astrology works before I'll give it the time of day. "SCIENCE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING" is not an answer.

[u/[deleted]]

Yes, and please, let's dismiss religion as well.

[u/[deleted]]

I looked at the stars and made up some shit.

Yes. Astrology is stupid. Dismissed.

[u/commentsrus]

Got to 1:32. Proponent says astrology can help you and make your life better, but you don't have to follow it all the time. Sounds legit. /s*

No mention of any rigorous studies, it seems.

[u/micmac274]

Is that what Sunday Morning TV is reduced to discussing? Astrology? No doubt because it's "The Big Questions", they'll have some pro-astrology idiot on, just like they have anti-gay fuckwads on when discussing gay issues. Golden Mean Fallacy at it's worst. Not watched the video, the show has annoyed me enough over the years when I watch it, shame on the BBC for making it.

[u/sammysausage]

Yes.